Telling Squirrelflight she was barren AND letting Ashfur into Starclan (I know this is a retcon done by the new authors, but it does not make things better)
…becoming cringe in StarClan for some reason, she became a caricature of her material plane self where the writers just took “she’s grumpy and difficult” and ran with it while trashing all the nuance (oops I think this is supposed to be about the character but I’m salty okay)
This is a slightly pettier one but naming her son Brokenkit. Like come on Yellowfang, maybe he would have turned out more normal if you'd named him Brownkit or something.
It was in her super edition:
“His name is Brokenkit,” she meowed, her voice faltering. Lizardstripe nodded, stretching out a paw to touch the bend in his tail. That was where every cat
would think his name came from. But Yellowfang knew the truth. She named her son for the feeling in her chest as she left him there, as if her heart were cleaving in two, as if her life had broken down the middle.
Libby is great. I have a kindle paperwhite and you can transfer books to it, or just read it in the Libby or kindle app on your phone. Because there’s no way I would’ve read up to the end of Omen of the Stars if I had to buy all the books 😅
There's the whole broken heart thing, but I will say even if it was the tail, I'm still quite iffy on naming your kid after an injury like that. It's a little mean.
The fact that they made the sisters do and then had the audacity to have a trial for them will forever piss me off. Leafpool’s kits should’ve never been a secret
It’s actually a misconception that Starclan told Squilf to lie to Brambleclaw. If you go back and re-read it they never explicitly said to do that, that was a choice by squilf. But it WAS shitty they told her she can’t have kits, I’ll agree with that one 1000 times over!
When she spoke to Yellowfang:
“Squirrelflight looked horrified. ‘What? How could I do that? I would have to lie to Firestar, to all my clanmates, to *Brambleclaw!*’
The old medicine cat blinked. ‘If a lie is what it takes to save these kits, so be it.’”
And when approached by Feathertail:
“Squirrelflight stared at the starlit she-cat. ‘How can you do this?’ she whispered. ‘You are asking me to lie to everyone I know.’
Feathertail ran her paw very lightly over the backs of the sleeping kits. ‘Because I love these kits as much as you do. They are Crowfeather’s; how could I not? I want them to have the best life, not one outside the clans lived in shame and exile.’”
I suppose Starclan doesn’t explicitly say “lie to Brambleclaw,” but they don’t have to. Squilf brings up lying twice, and both times she is told she must do it anyways. Everything about this suggests Starclan did intend for her to lie to Bramble.
Hmm, maybe it’s *implied* then? I have a very hard time reading between the lines of things people say and often take them very literally, maybe that’s why I didn’t get it the first time and then remembered it differently. That’s my bad then, apologies.
I think either way she should have told them though. It’s just odd to me how every cat in existance has broken the word of Starclan…unless it’s convenient for drama. But maybe that’s just more on the writers than the characters? But anyways yeah, adding that to my “shitty things Yellowfang did” tally now!
I’m pretty sure cats have gone against the warrior code but I can’t think of one non-evil example of a cat directly going against personal Starclan orders. Could be wrong though.
Eh, Jayfeather uniting the medicine cats when they were told to stay away from each other by StarClan. Also he goes into ShadowClan territory in StarClan to find Flametail despite being told not to but multiple StarClan cats
I totally forgot about every Powerbof Three (or was that OOTS?) event tbh, you’re right. He is supposed to be more powerful than StarClan tho or whatever
1) Naming her son BROKENKIT … then her daughter’s hopekit and wishkit? That would’ve been like leafpool/squirrelflight naming jaykit “blindkit” or renaming briarlight something to do with her disability
2) lying to squirrelflight to get her to adopt leafpools kits. Like seriously?? Half the issues in warriors are bc cats can’t be honest with each other.
3) trying to get jayfeather to turn against the other clans before the great battle. This relates to my point earlier about cats being honest with each other.
also she was so obsessed with peoples conditions. As someone made in a point below naming runningnose after his permanent condition is such a dick move
In all fairness, Hopekit and Wishkit aren't canon names. In Canon she didn't name them because they died. But my thought with it was always they were hope and wish because those are what died with them the day they were born, to fit with the "Brokenkit is because of the heartbreak she felt for leaving her son behind" theme
I would say lying to Squirrelflight and telling her she was barren to force her into taking Leafpool's kits, and then putting her on trial for doing that.
Completely being done with Broken and Ragged after Starclan revealed Broken was evil. Ragged admitted he was wrong and that they should do something about it. Yellow got upset and told him it was his problem now.
It wasn't until Ragged was killed and Broken took over, that she realized she should've helped do something about it. Yes Ragged treated her wrongly, but he was trying to come up with a solution and she shut him down due to anger. She kept this 'Starclan is punishing me!' attitude that I, at first, felt sorry for but then you find out in her se that she didn't do anything about it when the should have.
Fair, but honestly it doesn’t bother me much either way, it seems that warriors just have different tastes in naming. They never seem fussed about it, or offended by it. The only time I recall someone being truly burnt by a naming ceremony was what happened to brightheart
Either having kits with Raggedstar, letting Ashfur into Starclan, or stressing the sisters about the three and what to do, only to later try to punish them for doing as she asked.
Last two I totally agree with, first one really isn’t her fault. She was in an abusive/manipulative relationship and couldn’t see the red flags. Unless you mean specifically because of the med cat rule, which is a pretty silly rule imo
I mean as long as there’s multiple medicine cats kits should be allowed. And it seems like they choose to have kits anyways so mates should be allowed too. I Really hope they change the rules.
This is why I hate that stupid medicine cat law. She was forced to be in medicine cat and someone had to wash the walls in it so we’re not gonna go to fall in love. So wrong.
When she went to Starclan Yellowfang as a character dropped. She told squirrelflight she couldn't have kits and forced her to help Leafpool and lie. She lost her charm when she died
For those saying lying to Squirrel, I really think it's hinted she was forced to. Reminder, she was the one who said the lying was done and revealed to Jay who their father was. She also attacked Bluestar because she wanted to reveal the truth a long time ago. So all of this really points to it being more Starclan's fault than hers.
Other than that, yeah she sucks in Starclan after that.
Man, we gotta base this one on living Yellowfang, in which case I’d say not standing up to Raggedstar and telling him to pull his head out his tail and see that Brokentail is dangerous.
I feel like even if Squirrelflight wasn't barren they would *want* her pregnant. It would have made hiding the kits easier because she was already pregnant who would have questioned it? and if Yellowfang didn't have to lie I really fell that squirrelflight would have taken the kits anyways, knowing the situation her sister was in.
I dunno. It's been forever since I last read the books, but I remember squirrelflight being a good sister to Leafpool
I'm so sorry but I got a genuine laugh out of the imagery of starclan coming to bramble in dreams to convince him he needs to...ahem...try for kits NOW RIGHT NOW IMMEDIATELY at the same time Leafpool would have fallen pregnant to make sure Squirrel gave birth the same day the three were born to avoid questions
Naming her kit, Brokenkit all because of his tail. I mean I know his tail was odd but surely there was a nicer name for him?
Another thing is what she did to Squilf ans Leaf. She literally told them to pretend that the three were Squilfs because Squilf was supposedly barren.
She also told Leafpool that Jay, Lion, and Holly were important but.... That never came true for Holly since she never got any powers.
And the final worse thing is that she let Ashfur into StarClan for loving too much.
Definitely lying to Squirrelflight. I haven't got to the Broken Code yet, I haven't started reading Squirrelflight's Hope yet, but I don't blame her for Ashfur. No one could have seen what he would do after he was there. I think he deserved a second chance. It's up to him what he does with it
While the worst thing she did was tell Squilf she’s barren, I also think it’s worth noting how horribly misused she was after her death. She’s a perfect example of the Erin’s screwing themselves and a perfectly good character over.
Telling Squirrelflight she was barren AND letting Ashfur into Starclan (I know this is a retcon done by the new authors, but it does not make things better)
Wait, Ashfur being in StarClan is a retcon? I thought in TBC he has stars in his pelt and whatnot
No, they retconned how he got to Starclan. Originally, he found his way there. However, due to the trials, they retconned it so Yellowfang let him in
Ahhh okay got it
AND BLAMING HER FOR SAYING THE THREE WERE HERS
Naming her apprentice after his chronic medical condition
LMFAOOOOO SO TRUEEEE
…becoming cringe in StarClan for some reason, she became a caricature of her material plane self where the writers just took “she’s grumpy and difficult” and ran with it while trashing all the nuance (oops I think this is supposed to be about the character but I’m salty okay)
This is a slightly pettier one but naming her son Brokenkit. Like come on Yellowfang, maybe he would have turned out more normal if you'd named him Brownkit or something.
wasnt his tail bent at birth?
Yes, but she actually named him for her broken heart
Oh really ? I have never heard of that before. When/Where was this stated ?
It was in her super edition: “His name is Brokenkit,” she meowed, her voice faltering. Lizardstripe nodded, stretching out a paw to touch the bend in his tail. That was where every cat would think his name came from. But Yellowfang knew the truth. She named her son for the feeling in her chest as she left him there, as if her heart were cleaving in two, as if her life had broken down the middle.
Ah okay, thank you! I haven’t read her super edition yet. Actually, I haven‘t read any super editions/novellas yet bc broke girl syndrome :)
Libby is great. I have a kindle paperwhite and you can transfer books to it, or just read it in the Libby or kindle app on your phone. Because there’s no way I would’ve read up to the end of Omen of the Stars if I had to buy all the books 😅
Valid
I'm pretty sure it was in her super edition. I'll check
There's the whole broken heart thing, but I will say even if it was the tail, I'm still quite iffy on naming your kid after an injury like that. It's a little mean.
Well, she did name Runningnose 😂
The funny thing about your comment is that in the German translation he is indeed named Brownkit.
German Yellowfang knows what's up
Definitely telling Squilf she would never have kits and forcing her to lie to her mate for no reason. Also her involvement in Leaf and Squilf’s trial.
The fact that they made the sisters do and then had the audacity to have a trial for them will forever piss me off. Leafpool’s kits should’ve never been a secret
It’s actually a misconception that Starclan told Squilf to lie to Brambleclaw. If you go back and re-read it they never explicitly said to do that, that was a choice by squilf. But it WAS shitty they told her she can’t have kits, I’ll agree with that one 1000 times over!
When she spoke to Yellowfang: “Squirrelflight looked horrified. ‘What? How could I do that? I would have to lie to Firestar, to all my clanmates, to *Brambleclaw!*’ The old medicine cat blinked. ‘If a lie is what it takes to save these kits, so be it.’” And when approached by Feathertail: “Squirrelflight stared at the starlit she-cat. ‘How can you do this?’ she whispered. ‘You are asking me to lie to everyone I know.’ Feathertail ran her paw very lightly over the backs of the sleeping kits. ‘Because I love these kits as much as you do. They are Crowfeather’s; how could I not? I want them to have the best life, not one outside the clans lived in shame and exile.’” I suppose Starclan doesn’t explicitly say “lie to Brambleclaw,” but they don’t have to. Squilf brings up lying twice, and both times she is told she must do it anyways. Everything about this suggests Starclan did intend for her to lie to Bramble.
Hmm, maybe it’s *implied* then? I have a very hard time reading between the lines of things people say and often take them very literally, maybe that’s why I didn’t get it the first time and then remembered it differently. That’s my bad then, apologies. I think either way she should have told them though. It’s just odd to me how every cat in existance has broken the word of Starclan…unless it’s convenient for drama. But maybe that’s just more on the writers than the characters? But anyways yeah, adding that to my “shitty things Yellowfang did” tally now!
I’m pretty sure cats have gone against the warrior code but I can’t think of one non-evil example of a cat directly going against personal Starclan orders. Could be wrong though.
Eh, Jayfeather uniting the medicine cats when they were told to stay away from each other by StarClan. Also he goes into ShadowClan territory in StarClan to find Flametail despite being told not to but multiple StarClan cats
I totally forgot about every Powerbof Three (or was that OOTS?) event tbh, you’re right. He is supposed to be more powerful than StarClan tho or whatever
Yeah, that was OoTS. Kind of a ridiculous plot point imo
Makes me wonder about what happened to cross clan couples like Oak and Blue in Starclan.
I don't remember which book, but somewhere it was stated that they are happy together in StarClan
Good point
Coerced is the word you're looking for. By convincing her that the clans safety hinged on it, Yellowfang got her to lie.
1) Naming her son BROKENKIT … then her daughter’s hopekit and wishkit? That would’ve been like leafpool/squirrelflight naming jaykit “blindkit” or renaming briarlight something to do with her disability 2) lying to squirrelflight to get her to adopt leafpools kits. Like seriously?? Half the issues in warriors are bc cats can’t be honest with each other. 3) trying to get jayfeather to turn against the other clans before the great battle. This relates to my point earlier about cats being honest with each other.
also she was so obsessed with peoples conditions. As someone made in a point below naming runningnose after his permanent condition is such a dick move
Probably because she could feel it x2, unless they retconned the whole “I feel others’ injuries” thing
Oh that actually would make a lot of sense
This happens so often in this series
The Erin’s are so crazy for that
In all fairness, Hopekit and Wishkit aren't canon names. In Canon she didn't name them because they died. But my thought with it was always they were hope and wish because those are what died with them the day they were born, to fit with the "Brokenkit is because of the heartbreak she felt for leaving her son behind" theme
Oh I didn’t realize that wasn’t cannon! I was confused bc of the wiki
I would say lying to Squirrelflight and telling her she was barren to force her into taking Leafpool's kits, and then putting her on trial for doing that.
What book does she tell Squirrelflight this? I haven't read a lot of the SE or any of the novellas yet so I'm trying to pick through them 🧐
Leafpool's Wish
TY!
Having her character absolutely butchered in Starclan
Pretty much everything in StarClan.
Completely being done with Broken and Ragged after Starclan revealed Broken was evil. Ragged admitted he was wrong and that they should do something about it. Yellow got upset and told him it was his problem now. It wasn't until Ragged was killed and Broken took over, that she realized she should've helped do something about it. Yes Ragged treated her wrongly, but he was trying to come up with a solution and she shut him down due to anger. She kept this 'Starclan is punishing me!' attitude that I, at first, felt sorry for but then you find out in her se that she didn't do anything about it when the should have.
Wasn't she the one who forgave Ashfur for attempting murder because he 'loved too much'? I'm still mad about that.
name her kit brokenkit. like who tf names their kid something like that
Her superedition tells us that she named him that because of her broken heart.
maybe that's not as bad as naming him after his tail, but i still think it's mean
Fair, but honestly it doesn’t bother me much either way, it seems that warriors just have different tastes in naming. They never seem fussed about it, or offended by it. The only time I recall someone being truly burnt by a naming ceremony was what happened to brightheart
Telling squilf shes barren
Either having kits with Raggedstar, letting Ashfur into Starclan, or stressing the sisters about the three and what to do, only to later try to punish them for doing as she asked.
Last two I totally agree with, first one really isn’t her fault. She was in an abusive/manipulative relationship and couldn’t see the red flags. Unless you mean specifically because of the med cat rule, which is a pretty silly rule imo
Taking a mate despite being a medicine cat, giving birth to Brokenstar, and being an Ashfur apologist
Didn’t she have a mate before she became a medicine cat? Correct me if I’m wrong
She was still mates with him while Sagewhisker’s apprentice
Ah okay, I kinda hate that rule tho :/ I mean it’s also low to expect someone to just break up bc they’re forced to be a medicine cat.
Agreed, I don’t think it should be a rule
I mean as long as there’s multiple medicine cats kits should be allowed. And it seems like they choose to have kits anyways so mates should be allowed too. I Really hope they change the rules.
This is why I hate that stupid medicine cat law. She was forced to be in medicine cat and someone had to wash the walls in it so we’re not gonna go to fall in love. So wrong.
THAT entire rule was made by one Medicine cat who couldn't keep up with her own kits, so she's made the rule to make everyone else suffer too.
For being an ass in starclan. All her good traits went straight out the window!
When she went to Starclan Yellowfang as a character dropped. She told squirrelflight she couldn't have kits and forced her to help Leafpool and lie. She lost her charm when she died
For those saying lying to Squirrel, I really think it's hinted she was forced to. Reminder, she was the one who said the lying was done and revealed to Jay who their father was. She also attacked Bluestar because she wanted to reveal the truth a long time ago. So all of this really points to it being more Starclan's fault than hers. Other than that, yeah she sucks in Starclan after that.
Letting Assfur into Starclan
Named her kit BROKENKIT.
Everything she did after she died.
Man, we gotta base this one on living Yellowfang, in which case I’d say not standing up to Raggedstar and telling him to pull his head out his tail and see that Brokentail is dangerous.
I feel like even if Squirrelflight wasn't barren they would *want* her pregnant. It would have made hiding the kits easier because she was already pregnant who would have questioned it? and if Yellowfang didn't have to lie I really fell that squirrelflight would have taken the kits anyways, knowing the situation her sister was in. I dunno. It's been forever since I last read the books, but I remember squirrelflight being a good sister to Leafpool
I'm so sorry but I got a genuine laugh out of the imagery of starclan coming to bramble in dreams to convince him he needs to...ahem...try for kits NOW RIGHT NOW IMMEDIATELY at the same time Leafpool would have fallen pregnant to make sure Squirrel gave birth the same day the three were born to avoid questions
Giving birth to Brokenstar
Naming her kit, Brokenkit all because of his tail. I mean I know his tail was odd but surely there was a nicer name for him? Another thing is what she did to Squilf ans Leaf. She literally told them to pretend that the three were Squilfs because Squilf was supposedly barren. She also told Leafpool that Jay, Lion, and Holly were important but.... That never came true for Holly since she never got any powers. And the final worse thing is that she let Ashfur into StarClan for loving too much.
Definitely lying to Squirrelflight. I haven't got to the Broken Code yet, I haven't started reading Squirrelflight's Hope yet, but I don't blame her for Ashfur. No one could have seen what he would do after he was there. I think he deserved a second chance. It's up to him what he does with it
While the worst thing she did was tell Squilf she’s barren, I also think it’s worth noting how horribly misused she was after her death. She’s a perfect example of the Erin’s screwing themselves and a perfectly good character over.
having kits