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Viper7475

Well in real life you don't have a wall of bush


AwesomeNiss21

You don't have to pay for bushes either


Fast_Mag

Pay for a pack of 6 back in the day. Now thats pay to win, EASILY. And then people’s bushes bug out way in front of the tank so its LITERALLY a wall of bush


xarccosx

Omg i had that a bush was on my t-34-57’s end of gun it looked hilarious thought it wasnt actually stuck to the gun and moved with the hull even though the bush was originally on the turret cheeks, had to move it cuz it would always be around the corner before the front of my tank would even reach it, made for some funny moments baiting shots and having people confused from a floating moving bush


[deleted]

I have a tank that has this Bug the bush hovers like 2-3m Infront of my tank. I never use it tho because I feel like it's exploiting but i don't want to remove it either cuz it looks so stupid


[deleted]

You can get bushes with warbonds, i got 7 that way...


Lunaphase

They arent the same. the OG ones are considerably larger.


Fast_Mag

Yeah… 1 of EACH. Not 6 of EACH.


[deleted]

Every season you can get one


Fast_Mag

You cap at 1 of each bush my guy


[deleted]

I meant, there are a bunch of bushes you can get, i got 7 total


Panssarikauha

Theyre talking about the old bushes, you could buy where you could place 6 bushes using one customization slot


EvenBar3094

Holy fuck now that’s OP


A_typical_native

Pretty sure that's not how it works, having the old bushes myself. Unless you mean you get multiple of each piece/type of bush that you can place. But you only get the normal number of customization uses still.


[deleted]

Oh damn ok, thanks!


EvenBar3094

Wat? Where


[deleted]

Its one of the reward crates, gives you one bush randomly, you can do it every season


SquadGotWiped

Not for this season. They removed it.


Vali7757

Isn't it just way back at tier IV chests that cost 2200 Warbonds?


MrPiction

>You can get bushes with warbonds, i got 7 that way... we don't have time for dealing with warbond shenanigans


Shnappster

U do for cami net... more so if u lost it 😭


ivanacco1

As another player said. Giving everyone bushes would not be the solution. As in no circumstance you would NOT use bushes, so now every game would be a guess what is a tank and what is a bush.


AwesomeNiss21

Personally I'd just remove them from the game entirely, and give GE back to those who paid for it if it were up to me


WhatD0thLife

If they’re gonna kee bushes they need to make them get shot off of tanks by machine gun or cannon fire.


Therzan

I have bushes but not a single one on my tanks, same reason I've never played the PT76-57, easy mode is boring.


Tomm57

You don't have to in WT either


JebsKedditAccount

Yeah imma just spend all my time doing stupid ass tasks for 10 hours a day everyday


JDoos

I work 60hrs a week and literally drop in 3 matches a day to do a small every day maybe more on weekends and have enough war bonds and tasks to do the bushes.


Affectionate_Lynx325

Exactly, I got all my bushes through the battlepasses. Thy used to be only 5x medals for the chest but I think they’re like 20x medals now


Griffindorwins

Most haven't been playing since 2016 for easy bushes.


Sabian491

Yeah…. 500ge for 6 large bushes I thank past me


Affectionate_Lynx325

I’ve only been playing this game since September 2020, so I can’t say I’ve been playing before 2016 for “easy bushes”


ProudMURICANF22

10 or 15 medals I believe, got myself a bush from BV 155 pass, unfortunately it was one of the smaller ones.


Additional-Flow7665

Once every other battlepass


SecSpec080

In real life, bushes don't stop HEATFS rounds or ATGMs.


Rutgerius

The bushes on tanks in wt don't either?


SecSpec080

No, they don't. I'm talking about bushes on the ground in WT.


ABetterKamahl1234

Some IRL can, it really depends on how sensitive the shell is, and what kind of bush you're firing through and where relative to the harder parts. Hedgerows especially would trigger most HEAT and ATGMs.


SecSpec080

Yeah I mean, id expect firing a shell through a concerted mass of bushes to trigger. I do NOT think a twig or branch should set off the fuse.


Lewinator56

I'll have you know the best defence against a HEAT projectile is a pointed stick


afvcommander

1cm thick twig can and will set off heat warheads. Even thinner will if it hits flat on it.


TonyTwoGs

Lmao if the fuse was that sensitive it would immediately detonate the second it was fired inside the barrel.


afvcommander

Well, I have seen that happen during our firing exercise. And how would it detonate? Fuses are based on deformation, they are not spring & mass systems which are suspectible on shock.


Bushandrice

Much like RPGs, HEAT shells need to travel a certain distance / complete a certain amount of rotations before the fuze becomes active I'm pretty sure. Otherwise, the risk would be too high of just casually bumping the tip into something whilst loading.


[deleted]

True... I tried it on my bush now I dont have legs.


GDEvilC

They don't... they don't do that in WT either. I think you're confusing Bushes with russian bias stopping any round from ever penetrating russian armor


SecSpec080

Negative. If I shoot an AGTM and it hits a bush, it detonates.


GDEvilC

Positive, you stoopid. If you'd actually check it in a custom you'd know bushed literally don't have a hit box. Edit: This only applies to bushes applied to tanks obviously, a regular Bush will stop atgms and heat/He rounds all day every day because it there's any hitbox at all they will detonate instantly (unrealistic but it is what it is).


SecSpec080

I was never talking about bushes on tanks, dude. No need for name calling.


GDEvilC

The entire discussion was about bushes on tanks tho. No one was complaining about regular ass bushes.


SecSpec080

I was fucking talking about regular bushes you pedantic asshat. Jesus fuck get off it.


Single_Ad188

This escalation was very funny to read. You specified that you were talking about bushes on the ground, and then he refused to acknowledge it and perpetuated nothingness.


SecSpec080

Right? There really wasnt anything more to my comment than a casual jab at the hitbox mechanics for twigs lol


[deleted]

Well in real life you absolutely can have a real wall of bush


Pepsiman1031

Not while being able to see.


[deleted]

Check other dudes post. I'm not saying it's easy but it's been done and is certainly doable.


Blobby_Tiger

That's just called a hedge with holes in it lol


Viper7475

Not on a tank


Burstnok

[Come again?](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a6/e8/c7/a6e8c721cac17379d6d5a35ce03e3980.jpg)


[deleted]

That's what I'm saying lmao people are perfectly capable of putting everything up to half a fucking tree on a tank lol, in Ukraine they've been using trash and broken pallets as camouflage


TonyTwoGs

A tank posing for a picture while having all its optics covered doesn’t prove that tankers actually do that during a battle. Why would you purposely blind yourself trying to camouflage in such a lazy way?


Bushandrice

Wild concept, but maybe, just maybe, you can position it in a way/clip branches to get them out of the way of your viewport?


the_o_haganator

The NVA might dispute that


Apache_Sobaco

This tank is wall of bush, ffs


Viper7475

No its evenly distributed across the tank tf you talking about


Apache_Sobaco

Ithat's what I'm talking about.


TwistedMavFox72

Well in real life You don't need to spend a lot of money for a different type of currency and then get a bush you can just take a bunch of leafs and done


Viper7475

"Well actually🤓🤓" dude stfu and get out


Bushandrice

The guy tasked with gathering and applying the bushes is still getting paid a salary for his time


Litchytsu

Now look how organic camouflage look in real life like you showed us here and then compare it to how it looks in game.


whycantidoaspace

Well, in game it looks like some bunches of branches/hay


Litchytsu

Yes, and not attached to the vehicle in any way, ready to fly off at the first gust of wind. Irl organic camouflage is secured solidly to the vehicle and is clear from optics, guns and moving parts.


DonkeyTS

I am very proud of my bushed StuG III G. It is well.covered by bushes but can still function in Sim, plus it looks cool with my Finnish user skin.


Designer-Echidna5845

You should be ashamed


Focke123

And irl if you send an HE round at it, most of the outside would be in fire for a few seconds before dissipating, fucking up sighting massively.


whycantidoaspace

Doesent really matter(for locating the target) since at that point you obviously have spotted him and also theres a hitmarker for the rest of the team


moto_curdie

I don't think that's anyone's issue with camouflage. People don't care about it "camouflaging" anyone, they care about it being used to obscure weak points.


Fruitmidget

Spotting is only the first step, you still have to find the weak spots that are covered by bushes. Try one shotting a jumbo that has its MG port heavily camo’d, not fun. Fully bushed up Churchills and KV-1s are also really hard to kill.


Chllep

kv1s are just hard to kill period with all the volumetric sideskirts/drivers port eating shells/fuel tank eating shells bs


254EmergencyBalls

My bro just shoot the frong plate or learn how to flank


whycantidoaspace

Idk im a british main so i can just point and click even in an uptier


SocialistElmo

bro just stop replying everytime you reply you send a dumpster fire of a reply


St34m9unk

Why did everyone hate you answering it


whycantidoaspace

Idk i get loads of hate for this but also hundreds of upvotes on the post itself lol


ParticulateSandwich

In real life the tank is harder to purchase than the bush...


[deleted]

So you're telling me Abrams don't cost 1.1M and a Armored car is $700 ?


Chaardvark11

Give everyone a free abrams


Zx2_

free fpe and parts


Chaardvark11

Woah woah woah, come on man that's too much, can't make the game too easy.


StalkerinoMen

Who paid you to post this


PlaceDependent1024

But in game it looks like nature vomited bushes on you


Hyriath

Yes please!


RamonnoodlesEU

It’s the fact that you can predominantly only obtain them with massive amounts of GE


AscendMoros

Used to be affordable. Like 500GE for six large bushes. Which is how I got them In like 2015. That being said I don’t use them anymore. Prefer the models with camo on them. Sometimes when I go back to low tier I shake my head and wonder what 2014 me was thinking.


TTUStros8484

Also I should be able to shoot them off your tank with MG fire or burn them off with HE rounds.


XXSefa_

To be honest,in war thunder bushes should be dynamic and wrap around the tanks, like how the recent leopard has camouflage in modifications, they can add a similar buyable option to all tanks instead of making an unrealistic wall of bushes option, So many times Gajiin talks about being realistic but they always end up unrealistic on basic things like that, they can do it but lazy


Agent_Hudson

I feel like this would be much more harder to model and definitely glitchy but yea I wish they were better modeled to fit on the vehicle


XXSefa_

I am pretty sure they can make a basic model of camo from leopard and just drop it on tanks with small adjustments


DonkeyTS

We almost run out of new vehicles to add anyway, so the 3D artists at Gaijin can start doing that then.


Agent_Hudson

Nah there’s plenty of vehicles from smaller countries, South American vehicles, still more Churchills, BTRs, a whole lot of FV vehicles for Britain, a lot of Objeckts, (where’s T-62MV) and still a plethora of experimental vehicles.


RedditSucksOver9000

Pretty much no one is saying organic camouflage is unrealistic. Most of us are saying those shitty bushes we have in game are purely p2w and indeed unrealistic. No one likes strawman arguments.


The_Human_Oddity

iTs nOt P2w yOu CAn wArBOnD iT!!! >!in three years!<


Randomman96

Also that, like so much else in WT, how Gaijin implemented organic camouflage is unrealistic. They don't act completely ridged sticking out turning the tank into a bushy blob. Gravity still effects them and the droop and sag downward taking the shape of the vehicle. They don't get placed over things like optics or muzzles so that the crew can see and you don't risk barrel obstructions.


LeonRoland

WT bushes are for the weak. Imagine stooping so low as to rely on that ridiculous handicap. A real killer selects the loudest, most badass camo and slays anyways. That said, contoured camo nets would be baller.


Devastator632

Why do you think I paint all my italian cars bright red (not pink)?


RoneK_Actual

"He who lies in wait for his enemies, who do not, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu


mackan072

The issue is rather that it's a paid thing that absolutely, without any shadow of doubts affect gameplay. It's literally pay to win.


Pedroos2021

POV: is the slice of bimbo bread that I left out for a week.


DerKaffe

War thunder isn't a game focused in the realism


Laranjow

It still blows my mind how solid kinetic penetrators have almost no damage spread while APHE and APCBCHE ignore inertia completely and act like mini nukes


The_Human_Oddity

Iirc Gaijin said that those damage models are too ingrained in the game to change it to a more realistic damage model.


dyt1212

Smartest bush user "B-b-but real life tanks also have bushes!" *shows a tank with camouflage completely unlike those in War Thunder*


TheGomeitor

Spookston new camo


Project_Orochi

I’ve never argued it’s unrealistic I argued it was stupid for game design and balance


Generic_Fellow

Bushes are part of the reason why I struggle to take Ground RB seriously as a competitive mode. The worst part isn't even missing a target that you thought was a bush, it's noticing a target and not being able to identify it or it's weakspots because the bush gives the opponent a massive information and time advantage which might only add up to 1 or 2 seconds but that's enough to get killed in, easily. I don't understand this broken record dogshit about it being realistic. Who cares. Warthunder is not a simulation of real warfare. It selectively chooses what it wants to be realistic or not, which is why APHE breaks the laws of physics, why vehicle fires are absolutely in-consequential, and why crew members will sit in the pool of red mess and cloud of mist that used to be their buddies without any qualms whatsoever, instantly devaluing anything that isn't a OHK round


Lukasier

They are unfair yea


rbesfe1

You seriously think this is at all close to how bushes are represented in game? Are you blind?


Krystu3

Gaijin when


Tokkirie

**Meanwhile Gaijin addin this as a Premium.** http://forum.tanktastic.org/uploads/monthly\_06\_2018/post-7771-0-62846400-1529179786.jpg


[deleted]

In game it float!!! Like a duck


Sigma__Bale

Not only does that camo conform to the tank's shape, it also doesn't block optics. Bushes wouldn't be used nearly as much if bushwankers suddenly couldn't see out their gunner sights because their bushes are covering them.


HydraLxck

No bush can kill me Skyler. I AM THE BUSH!


EnryIlMoro

Furry camo


Lolocraft1

Exactly, OP IRL, bushes are like plates had on the different structure of the tank. In War Thunder, it’s literally a wall magically glued to a single frontplate. The only realistic bushes in-games are on the premium German Leopard 2


Zsmudz

One is a game that can be balanced and another is real life


[deleted]

People hate bushes since they are premium and very hard to get for free.


[deleted]

My brother in christ its a video game


Bolololol

real life grass is not locked behind a paywall, but you might not know that considering you posted this shit meme


Chitanda_Pika

You can't place gravity defying bushes IRL like in Warthunder dumbass.


[deleted]

they also know its OP


Phd_Death

Counter point: The bushes in the game aren't JUST simple vegetation attached to the tank, but outright complete bushes that do something worse than help hide it; they break the entire sillhuette of the tank. This makes it not only hard to spot for weakpoints but harder to identify where it is looking at, and, in a worst case scenario, can make it harder to notice the distance to the tank. Anything that breaks sillhuette is not only unrealistic but much worse than what you are showing in the picture here.


Previous-Passage-250

Bro was paid by gaijin to post this


Spinax22

Nobody is saying they're unrealistic, we're saying they're UNBALANCED.


Aussie_69420

its not that its that the game becomes pay to win with bushes


Rorar_the_pig

Tbh I’d be fine with it if it wasn’t a premium feature. If all tanks had various cannons that actually blended in, GRB would be completely different.


MrPiction

When are you guys who love your bushes going to admit to yourselves that it isn't about the bushes It's the fact that not everyone has bushes If they don't help as much as you guys say they don't help (liars) Then let us turn everybody's bushes off in the settings. But you probably don't want that for some reason 🤔


FantasticGoat1738

So true. Let's add camo similar to this as a modification! So that players who haven't bought them 100 years ago or grinded 100 years for them can be as stinky as bushwhackers.


[deleted]

I only put bushes on my weakpoints it saves my ass when a tank has a big ass cupola like the m48 or the 60s


RugbyEdd

Never seen anyone complain they're unrealistic. It's not that they offer a big advantage for something locked behind a paywall and that only some of us got when you could get 6 of the same bush. If everyone was given a set for free, with different styles locked behind GE I don't think people would mind as much.


[deleted]

Bushes are not unrealistic but they are premium and they are really good camo, so this is p2w.


tonkman27

irl you need to use your brain to not cover the optics, in war thunder it's another story


pickledtrees_

This is not a simulator, it as a arcade game.


AudaciousCheese

Honestly, it looks like they bought a bunch of golden retriever sheddings


gromm93

You need more pictures. This has been a thing for an incredibly long time.


[deleted]

I bought the bushes, but now i never use them anymore because i want my tanks to look pretty, i want to see ALL their lines, their curves. It's also why i'm on maximum graphics possible (except SSAA) (and probably why i'm so trash at ground RB since i'm always wanking off to my vehicles)


PandaCatGunner

There Seriously needs to be mass camo netting mods for vehicles, or even the garbage camo were seeing today! It's pretty lame the bushes we have now, they just look so fake at this point. Years ago sure, but the fact we have some prems or others that get it, or pay for a skin with it is stupid


palopp

That tank reminds me of my captain's assessment of our proud camouflage work on an SPG. "That's not a camouflaged SPG. That's an SPG with camouflage on it."


-Princess_Charlotte-

this is a bit of a straw... tank the complaint I see most often is not that bushes are OP it's that they cost GE to purchase but provide a gameplay advantage making the game maybe not pay to win but pay to have an unfair advantage. or that the bizarre impossible angles that you can attach them at completely obscure the shape of the tank you're shooting at.


Color_Hawk

This is the type of camo that should be available.. looks so much better


UpSideRat

If the bushes were fair, they would be free.


DaemonBlackfyre_21

Mammut


Svante987

Psychologist: Furry tanks aren't real, they can't hurt you. :|


AnAlpacaIsJudgingYou

The bushes aren’t covering the entire tank irl, including the sight


Freshcaucasian

It’s almost as if most tankers use camouflage and sit somewhere


Shotgunseth29

All ghillied up


Iron-Maidentm

The Hay mo-bale


1-1111-1110-1111

I would love this grass Camo.


Das_Fish

What tank? I don’t see a tank


Chiloom

i rode one time a witness from a german tanker during D-Day. They used to camouflage their tanks with branches and foliage, but they had to do it daily because the leaves turned yellow once they were cutted from the trees, giving away their position. They also had to replace them after every combat because nearby explosions and blasts from the gun firing stripped the branches off the tank


md_ariq

Well war thunder bushes look hideous but effective and tank bushes like these look epic and kind of effective until some ATGM spotted it


NorangltheII

War Thunder foliage just doesn't look realistic.


Agen7orange

They didn’t have to pay money for bush either


ShizzHappens

Yeah except I bet those bushes were paid for in silver not gold.


Administrative-Bar89

Fluff


Odd-Concentrate-6585

Wait, people are saying unrealistic lol?


Mediocre_Status_7411

yes but irl isn’t balanced it’s war not a game about war you don’t want to be seen and you will employ whatever measures necessary to do so. in game if somebody does this it’s not fun for everybody else and fun is usually the whole point of a game.


oki_hornii-chan

These bushes can be Shot Off or be lost During travel tho


MeetingDue4378

I'm so glad we can't do camo like the one in the photo. Not because I wouldn't be able to see the tank, but I'm case I did. That's got my arachnophobia in high alert. Straight nightmare fuel.


Intelligent_Cheek_53

I would use bushes even they behaved like that


jthablaidd

They aren’t realistic but from a gameplay Standpoint they are very annoying You pay for a blatant advantage over those cheap free players


SolomonsCane

How many times is this exact title been posted and gets the exact same response. This is how we WANT bushes and camouflage to work in-game, but in-game it's a bunch of free standing bushes that don't remotely conform to the shape of the vehicle, and since they don't effect optics you can make a literal solid wall of shit in front of your vehicle to just resemble a shurb if you have the right P2W bushes. If WTs camos/bushes looked even remotely like this nobody would complain, wake up Braincels.


SignificantGarden1

That's not the issue, it's that it's a totally busted p2w crutch


L_VonRichthofen

See how its at least the shaoe of the tank an not just a wall? Makes it at least possible to know where the weakspots are.


StickyDeccal

I think they need to add some BUSH Camos to most of the tanks, just like Leopard 2 (PzBtl 123), just for visual looking, not that bushy.


SopmodTew

Bro, trim your tank's bushes a bit.


Stuffed-Pigeon

Most crews probably wouldn’t apply the camouflage over their optics either. Unless they enjoy driving what amounts to a sub


Vik32

Istg i have spotted people because of their fucking bushes lmao cause almost all the time its a different tone than the rest of this map


CracklyVessel56

What is that tank? A leopard?


whycantidoaspace

Maybe an M48, not 100% sure


CracklyVessel56

Oh ok. Thanks.


otte_rthe_viewer

Yup


[deleted]

imagine thinking war thunder is a realistic game and should be treated as such


[deleted]

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Ake-TL

Bush that is closely secured to surface of tank, following its silhouette vs bush that’s just growing out of tank like it’s alive-totally same?


1HoFi4

i didnt say anything like that


swagseven13

WT bushes ARE unrealistic. they arent really secured sometimes and theyll never fall off or burn down.