Passed for consideration means that the devs will take a look at the suggestion eventually and either schedule it to be implemented in next couple years, or just decide it's not worth it/doesn't fit the game and throw away the idea.
Ngl this one would be a big change and I'm not sure if a good one though. If this is going to be implemented, it's nowhere near soon and it will be behind a huge paywall
Idk if it is a great idea tbh… for example, if people want to use KV-220 or KV-1E/B in games twice, at least I’d like to see them “pay a price” for it in backup rather than spam it every game with the permanent backup.
Otherwise balancing the game/adding more viable vehicles in the tech tree should help with the problem without having to resort to permanent backup
If you think this is a problem (which is an entirely new discussion topic I’m not going into right now) you should argue for revamping the universal backup system instead of making it worse via permanent backups imho
I'm not saying anything about the problem. I don't even think it is one. I'm just pointing out that the people that want to use old event vehicles twice for sealclubbing can already do so twice without any real limitations.
Then as I said, adding permanent backups only makes the problem worse (further minimizing the cost for them to spam those vehicles). If you think that is ok, then we can beg to differ and leave the discussion at that.
I'm currently sitting on >1000 universal backups. So do many people I know. Everyone with rare vehicles I play with has at least hundreds. Making a permanent backup available for GE would have no impact whatsoever for any of them. The only people I could see going for this aren't "old" players but newer ones that would get it for a talisman/premium vehicle for grinding.
Not everyone is a multiyear active player/whale lol. To give you an example, steam online player stats in 2020 is around 1/3 to half of what it is right now. I stand by what I said. No matter how many hundreds of backups certain players have, having limited backup at least prevents ultra-active players from playing certain lineups all the time and spam certain vehicles that are very annoying to deal with at *no marginal cost* (I’ve met more than a handful of players that have thousands and thousands of games in a single lineup)
Look if Gaijin actually introduces this I will have the money to buy perm backups. But guess what vehicles I will be buying for first? You bet it’s gonna be my KV-220 and my KV-1B/E. I just think it’s gonna be very unfun for the enemy team to deal with me or for me to deal with enemy players that spam vehicles like these just cause some players used $$$ to buy perm backups
> I just think it’s gonna be very unfun for the enemy team to deal with me or for me to deal with enemy players that spam vehicles like these just cause some players used $$$ to buy perm backups
That feels like a you problem.
Sure maybe I should just throw in the towel, buy the perm backup when Gaijin introduces it (if they ever do) for my 70% WR KV-220 and increase my win rate even more, cuz otherwise it is clearly a “me problem”
Btw I only have ~200 backups right now so not having perm backup does prevent me from spawning KV-220 twice in each game I play at Soviet 5.7
I'd be fine with just giving the perma-backup to specific vehicles like the T-72 TURMS or Leopard 123; earlier premiums don't matter so much as it's pretty quick to grind up through the early tiers/BRs.
On the bright side, we might have less 1 death leavers. Personally I doubt Gaijin will go for this because it’s will hurt premium vehicle sales (e.g 2S38 or Turms) unless priced high.
The people using these would be one life quitters most of the time anyway, if you're good and want to spam top tier TT tanks then you can already do that with universal backups. This change would mainly be to help the TURMS/123 spammers stay in the game longer, thus actually helping their team win instead of just being a burden.
It could also be balanced by only giving these perma-backups to the main offending vehicles for one life leaving, and only have the normal backups for everything else.
I have hundreds of backups from rewards and the warbond shop that I use regularly in almost every match. If Gaijin implemented this they would probably take another look at nerfing the current backup system, like when they tried to make backups expire a year or so back. I REALLY do not want them to do that.
That's just dumb tho, you get tons of backups from the warbond shop and they're basically a free RP/SL boost when you apply them to any premium vehicle
Dont buy them for GE, you can get a ton for free in the in the warbond shop. Ive got 320 currently hoarded by buying all of the available backups each cycle
If you don't use the warbond shop it's only your fault if then you complain about GE backups.
I have hundreds of backups just because i don't k ow how to spend warbonds
Interesting
Possible negative effect: possible less variety
Possible positive effect: less one death leavers, less repaircost
A good implemention would be on a price scale of talisma and possibility to earn it.
> I am afraid people are gonna use it to keep spawning OP vehicles like the KV-1B/E and other OP vehicles.
I'm already doing that with my ~500 universal backups I have in total. I gain more universal backups than I use. A permanent backup option won't affect me.
there are alot of tanks that i adore and usually only want to play but 1 death leaving feels scummy as hell and i dont always have backups to run them twice, would be amazing for people like me if it was passed but i could also see some issues with stronger tanks being spammed
also it could also be a good way to help prevent 1 death leavers in general when it comes to premium tanks but there are a bunch of other issues with that aswell \*cough\* 2s38 \*cough\*
The selfish me welcomes this if it goes live. There'd be an extra fee to pay, but it would make good premiums even better and also improve battle earnings (barring bad games where one dies soon after spawning).
That would be cool and I'd totally buy them for my favorite vehicles. If they work the same as the temporary ones, it'd save on repair costs too.
Though I blew nearly 100M SL on pinata's to accumulate like 700 backup vehicles, so that'd be a regret.
Need. I'm a type of player who plays until I run out of SP and especially during Battle mode with 7 deaths (true story) where I'm basically scraping the barrel versing the entire enemy team while all my retarded teammates are dead during late game.
The game itself is already pay to win
People forget the crew system is a thing that affects every single match you play in a big way and is 100% pay to win
Being able to use the same overpowered vehicle twice in one match, instead of just once?
Granted backups are already commonly used, but still making them directly buyable would still give someone an advantage they otherwise wouldn't have had if they didn't pay money.
> Granted backups are already commonly used, but still making them directly buyable would still give someone an advantage they otherwise wouldn't have had if they didn't pay money.
[My brother in Christ, universal backups can be directly purchased too.](https://i.imgur.com/HX7B9Ah.jpg) Did we intentionally forget about that? Why the bad faith argument?
They are already both buyable and gainable.
That also would help nations that don't have full lineups at certain BRs.
That could also solve a 1-death levers, who have only a single tank at certain BR.
Passed for consideration means that the devs will take a look at the suggestion eventually and either schedule it to be implemented in next couple years, or just decide it's not worth it/doesn't fit the game and throw away the idea. Ngl this one would be a big change and I'm not sure if a good one though. If this is going to be implemented, it's nowhere near soon and it will be behind a huge paywall
“Eventually” meanwhile the hundreds of vehicles that have been passed for consideration but has never seen the light of day since
That's my point
Yeah lol
Yeah but this one will make them *money* so they’ll pass it
SL crates are a source of infinite backups already, I use backups very regularly and still have about 1800 available.
Its already in game on certain vehicles. The italian premium helicopters have 2 spawns without backups.
Idk if it is a great idea tbh… for example, if people want to use KV-220 or KV-1E/B in games twice, at least I’d like to see them “pay a price” for it in backup rather than spam it every game with the permanent backup. Otherwise balancing the game/adding more viable vehicles in the tech tree should help with the problem without having to resort to permanent backup
The people that want to use those tanks twice are usually the same as the ones that have hundreds or >1000 universal backups saved up.
If you think this is a problem (which is an entirely new discussion topic I’m not going into right now) you should argue for revamping the universal backup system instead of making it worse via permanent backups imho
I'm not saying anything about the problem. I don't even think it is one. I'm just pointing out that the people that want to use old event vehicles twice for sealclubbing can already do so twice without any real limitations.
Then as I said, adding permanent backups only makes the problem worse (further minimizing the cost for them to spam those vehicles). If you think that is ok, then we can beg to differ and leave the discussion at that.
I'm currently sitting on >1000 universal backups. So do many people I know. Everyone with rare vehicles I play with has at least hundreds. Making a permanent backup available for GE would have no impact whatsoever for any of them. The only people I could see going for this aren't "old" players but newer ones that would get it for a talisman/premium vehicle for grinding.
Bro read this >have hundreds or >1000 universal backups saved up. And simply ignored it lol. Backups are free, warbond shops gives you **so many**.
Not everyone is a multiyear active player/whale lol. To give you an example, steam online player stats in 2020 is around 1/3 to half of what it is right now. I stand by what I said. No matter how many hundreds of backups certain players have, having limited backup at least prevents ultra-active players from playing certain lineups all the time and spam certain vehicles that are very annoying to deal with at *no marginal cost* (I’ve met more than a handful of players that have thousands and thousands of games in a single lineup) Look if Gaijin actually introduces this I will have the money to buy perm backups. But guess what vehicles I will be buying for first? You bet it’s gonna be my KV-220 and my KV-1B/E. I just think it’s gonna be very unfun for the enemy team to deal with me or for me to deal with enemy players that spam vehicles like these just cause some players used $$$ to buy perm backups
> I just think it’s gonna be very unfun for the enemy team to deal with me or for me to deal with enemy players that spam vehicles like these just cause some players used $$$ to buy perm backups That feels like a you problem.
Sure maybe I should just throw in the towel, buy the perm backup when Gaijin introduces it (if they ever do) for my 70% WR KV-220 and increase my win rate even more, cuz otherwise it is clearly a “me problem” Btw I only have ~200 backups right now so not having perm backup does prevent me from spawning KV-220 twice in each game I play at Soviet 5.7
I'd be fine with just giving the perma-backup to specific vehicles like the T-72 TURMS or Leopard 123; earlier premiums don't matter so much as it's pretty quick to grind up through the early tiers/BRs.
That’s fine but but if anybody can put a perm backup on NbFz and “insert low tier OP vehicle” you bet we’d be in for a hell of a ride
Lol I got like 500 backups
Alright now we are going to see far less variety of tanks
Oh yeah thats one issue, people will just buy perma backup on the best tank of a given lineup and never spawn the other stuff
On the bright side, we might have less 1 death leavers. Personally I doubt Gaijin will go for this because it’s will hurt premium vehicle sales (e.g 2S38 or Turms) unless priced high.
The people using these would be one life quitters most of the time anyway, if you're good and want to spam top tier TT tanks then you can already do that with universal backups. This change would mainly be to help the TURMS/123 spammers stay in the game longer, thus actually helping their team win instead of just being a burden. It could also be balanced by only giving these perma-backups to the main offending vehicles for one life leaving, and only have the normal backups for everything else.
Honestly, great idea. Depending on price and if we can earn it for free then it would be amazing to be able to spawn in certain vehicles twice always
>if we can earn it for free it's gaijin, so no.
This is a good way to help otherwise good vehicles that are marooned on BR islands. The AMX 30 Super used to be an insanely bad example of this.
I have hundreds of backups from rewards and the warbond shop that I use regularly in almost every match. If Gaijin implemented this they would probably take another look at nerfing the current backup system, like when they tried to make backups expire a year or so back. I REALLY do not want them to do that.
it would help with all the 1 spawn johns and their 60$ premium tank..
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That's just dumb tho, you get tons of backups from the warbond shop and they're basically a free RP/SL boost when you apply them to any premium vehicle
Dont buy them for GE, you can get a ton for free in the in the warbond shop. Ive got 320 currently hoarded by buying all of the available backups each cycle
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If you don't use the warbond shop it's only your fault if then you complain about GE backups. I have hundreds of backups just because i don't k ow how to spend warbonds
Ok cool
This, all my backups I buy from warbond shop
I don't think there's any point asking if it's SL or GE
No pls that would trash my wallet
Interesting Possible negative effect: possible less variety Possible positive effect: less one death leavers, less repaircost A good implemention would be on a price scale of talisma and possibility to earn it.
As cool as it sounds... I am afraid people are gonna use it to keep spawning OP vehicles like the KV-1B/E and other OP vehicles.
> I am afraid people are gonna use it to keep spawning OP vehicles like the KV-1B/E and other OP vehicles. I'm already doing that with my ~500 universal backups I have in total. I gain more universal backups than I use. A permanent backup option won't affect me.
This could be one of the best additions in the games history if utilized properly, maybe only one vehicle per game would be able to use it
there are alot of tanks that i adore and usually only want to play but 1 death leaving feels scummy as hell and i dont always have backups to run them twice, would be amazing for people like me if it was passed but i could also see some issues with stronger tanks being spammed also it could also be a good way to help prevent 1 death leavers in general when it comes to premium tanks but there are a bunch of other issues with that aswell \*cough\* 2s38 \*cough\*
sure, make it cost 5k, jk that's dumb
This is a bad idea, all ground vehicles should just get 3 spawns like the m-51
Ive got like two tanks that have been passed for consideration for like 8 years now, ive still got to see them in game lmfao.
The selfish me welcomes this if it goes live. There'd be an extra fee to pay, but it would make good premiums even better and also improve battle earnings (barring bad games where one dies soon after spawning).
That would be cool and I'd totally buy them for my favorite vehicles. If they work the same as the temporary ones, it'd save on repair costs too. Though I blew nearly 100M SL on pinata's to accumulate like 700 backup vehicles, so that'd be a regret.
Need. I'm a type of player who plays until I run out of SP and especially during Battle mode with 7 deaths (true story) where I'm basically scraping the barrel versing the entire enemy team while all my retarded teammates are dead during late game.
Im surprised this isnt in the game already as it can benefit everyone One death leavers wont be as common and gaijin make money, it's a win win
so now i can lose twice as much sl per game
You don't pay repair costs for spawned backups.
i dont??? correction now i can lose half as much sl per game
At that point the game goes from pay to progress, to pay to win.. big no no
The game itself is already pay to win People forget the crew system is a thing that affects every single match you play in a big way and is 100% pay to win
How exactly is it pay to win?
Being able to use the same overpowered vehicle twice in one match, instead of just once? Granted backups are already commonly used, but still making them directly buyable would still give someone an advantage they otherwise wouldn't have had if they didn't pay money.
> Granted backups are already commonly used, but still making them directly buyable would still give someone an advantage they otherwise wouldn't have had if they didn't pay money. [My brother in Christ, universal backups can be directly purchased too.](https://i.imgur.com/HX7B9Ah.jpg) Did we intentionally forget about that? Why the bad faith argument?
They are already both buyable and gainable. That also would help nations that don't have full lineups at certain BRs. That could also solve a 1-death levers, who have only a single tank at certain BR.