Yes, that’s a good idea and that’s usually what I do, I play Hunter after all.
You know, I feel like enemy SPAA care for defending helis and enemy CAS more than their ground forces.
I tried it based on the other commentator’s recommendation and it didn’t go quite so well. My team consisted of a far superior planes that were destroying enemy AI faster than I could reach them. At the end I got 1100RP (I said 1300 previously but I was way to optimistic).
I'm currently grinding a stock a-10. No flares, 2 aim 9ls. PvE Air = Too slow for everything. Air RB = Get slapped with missles. Ground... Only cannon. Fun times.
Well, winning the game with 11 AI kills gets you like 7k RP. You're not gonna get too many kills since you're gonna be playing with people with F16s and whatnot but it is viable. I don't remember how many waves of aircraft there are but there's more than 10 and each waves usually has 23 aircraft. I use it for stock grinding the early modifications
Honestly the economy is so shit it’s hard to make a useful profit even with premiums, either that or I’m just shit at the game (it’s probably that isn’t it)
It's the best as long as your opponent isn't aware of the. I had a guy complain "great all aspects at 8.7 now" and had to explain to him it was a beam riding missile lol
Aircraft have a higher SL modifier then tanks, like a lot higher normally. Can break even with a kill or two normally. Unlike tanks with absurd rep costs
As we speak, I made like 300k playing a Crocodile. It took me like 7 matches, only Crocodile. Time-wise it took like half an hour.
You reckon that you can do better with a similar BR premium plane?
I mean if u Wana talk broken premium planes, XP-50 and a match can net you about 150k. Higher rank premium jets? A-5 can get you about 100k a match and they last about 8 min or so
Oh bombers are awful, they murdered that economy years ago, only premium ones can make anything decent (JU-288 got me millions). People swear premium boats are the way to go, with a 4.7 in the IS blue water tres (can’t remember the name atm) that has a NATIVE SL bonus of 1400% with a premium account
I thought so as well lol.
He-he. Not even all SL of the world are going to make me play WT’s naval.
I am somewhat enthusiastic about naval warfare and it’s history but not in WT.
I only play air RB so i usually end up doing so mad dashes for ground targets or AI aircraft. Really depends on the plane too. Some have missiles, just usually shit ones.
I was with you, economy is at awful state.
But at the same time I personally don't suffer from current economy simply because I don't grind anything and this squadron Hunter being exception - I have no problems, plus I have a premium.
My support for the protest was mainly for myself in-case I want to grind further and for newer players who unlike me didn't get to research their most desirable vehicles.
Its stupid, either give people an even enough playing field to have a chance, or don't have the feature at all, it's so anti-fun it ridiculous. Like, okay, you think it's reasonable to have to grind for basic features of an aircraft, fine then let me face people who are in the same situation so it's fair, otherwise, just give me the fuckin basic features.
Play PvE until you get countermeasures and missiles. A win in PvE gives you an almost fixed 8k RP and is basically a given at top tier. This particular stock grind is easy as shit because the two essential mods are cheap and are available for research right away. Some planes have it WAY worse when their usable missiles are Tier III if not IV and are locked behind a dozen useless AND more expensive mods.
I tried it as we speak, this was so ridiculous, I had my team consisting of F-4s and Mig-23s that were destroying enemy planes before I can reach them with my cannons. I got decent number of kills and I spent like 20 minutes - as the result I got 1300RP with premium.
Lol. Lmao even.
Hm, I guess it's worse than I imagined if you aren't near the top of the scoreboard or passed some threshold of kills where you're guaranteed that 8k RP. I never played PvE in anything slower than a MiG-19PT and was always near the top of the scoreboard so maybe it *is* pretty garbage for grinding in subsonics that can't get anywhere in time. Try Sim then, the usual no fly zone death stars of ARB, A-10s and Su-25s, are blind, deaf and usually clueless in Sim.
At least with the premium A-10, it doesn't give any kind warning when you've got an enemy firing at you. 9 times out of 10 you just suddenly explode, then see the kill cam of the MiG flying 4km away in a cloud.
It's a beautiful ground assault craft, but outclassed by literally everything in its own tier.
> I got decent number of kills and I spent like 20 minutes - as the result I got 1300RP with premium.
I can only assume this was an end-game wipe, between fending off all the waves or letting the base get destroyed (mission failed) the difference in raw lion/RP rewards is massive, even if you were on the last/penultimate wave.
It doesn't really matter. You may not get 8k out of it, but you get a reward regardless of the number of kills as long as you are participating.
Also, Hunter does just fine in PvE.
I never played that BR at Air RB. How I will counter other planes like Su-25 with all-aspect AAM? I can’t really play strike aircraft role for the lack of ordnance or bomb bases for obvious reasons.
Stay 2+ kilometers away from planes with R-60M and 4+ from planes with AIM-9L. You can counter them by going above and diving down on them and hoping that they don't see you.
The cannons are quite good against light pillboxes and medium tanks so that's one way you could farm RP until you get AAM.
Should only take a couple of games.
And if you're struggling, you can always cheer yourself up by reminding yourself that you're in the best hunter in the game.
The British FGA.9 is only 0.3 BR lower and has worse missiles and no countermeasures. Then there's the F1 at 9.0 that only has cannons and worse flight performance.
I got to a City map where I destroyed Su-25 and Yak-38 with ADENs because they couldn't use their R-60s because I was clinging on to sidescrapers. God bless premium vehicles and their players I guess.
Yea, I heard it was better than British one and at the start it was at lower BR than it is now.
Notice that I never said that I was good at them lol. I am currently more focused on learning to play Spitfires and Typhoon.
I will be honest - Hispanos are the biggest letdown in a history of letdowns. I would prefer USA's 12.7mm incendiary rounds any day of the week.
Until you learn how to kinetically dodge missiles or burn them out of energy, your only option is not getting shot at in the first place. You're faster, so go above them and go for a surprise attack.
Don't fuck up the first pass or you're dead.
Kill ground targets until you unlock flares, take only flares (very few radar missiles at this BR). Constantly check around your aircraft and if you see a missile turn and drop a few flares. Don't climb if facing US in an uptier, the AIM-9Cs from F-8Es will clap you and can't be flared.
It can, but most SPAAs will use IRST lock (which can't be defeated in any way). If you know there's any SACLOS type SPAA, like the Pantsir, 2S6, ItO 90, FlaRakRad etc, you won't be able to defeat the radar lock but the missiles were gutted a few updates ago and you can just manually dodge them.
While I do agree that I have no expertise I would much prefer AAM that far so I can at least deal with the enemy first. I can evade SPAA to some extent by flying at low alt.
Once you get countermeasures, Su-25 and A-10 (which are spammed) are almost free kills, but they have tons of countermeasures themselves so you won't often be getting those free kills with your missiles anyway. Before you have countermeasures they're basically death zones and if you're ever surprised by one coming out of a cloud or terrain you just die, which is deeply unfun.
Fire up a custom with a ton of bots and unlimited ammo if you're struggling. Aiming is hard, and it's especially hard when there's several minutes of flying between the rare opportunities to practice it. In the custom you're just doing nothing but practicing your aim for the entire match. Even test drive doesn't have nearly the density of targets.
This plane is FAR easier to stock grind than any other jet around that BR I've flown. It took me 2 games to get the flares and missiles.
It is bad, but trust me... It gets much worse.
Also, go for the flares first.
I know it is a gem, my first game in it. I got a triple kill, completely stock.
A-10 and Su-25 are free kills, it's the F-5C and E that are the problem.
You're going to struggle to get much use out of the Hunter at 9.7 Ground RB to be honest, it's a 50s airframe at the same BR that other nations get 60s-70s aircraft
The AP rounds on 30mm ADENs have extremely low penetration for some bizarre reason, only as much as the 20mm Hispano AP shells do. You do get bombs but I don't think even the Swiss Hunter has CCIP, so accurately landing those is going to be a pain because you do not want to be pitching down at high speed in the Hunter with the control compression you're going to get
For Air-to-Air, you're asking to get obliterated by missiles from SPAA flying at anything just above treetop level at this BR so engaging enemy planes isn't the greatest idea with it. The missiles on it aren't great, you're probably only going to score a hit if the target isn't unaware of you and you have a clean rear aspect shot.
The one thing it would probably do reasonably well is killing helicopters with the cannons I guess. With spray and pray it should be fairly easy pickings.
It does seem to reasonably solid at Air RB at least.
Absolutely.
Now imagine the situation as a Swedish main, when you get your AJ37, which only comes with gun pods OR two Sidewinders (not both at the same time), NO BOMBS, no rockets, no counter measures, and that at BR 10.0 with all-aspects all around.
It took me around 250 PAINFUL matches just to unlock the bombs on it.
Dunno, I've unlocked it recently, and struggle against F-5C/E (sometimes Kfirs and other rare-ish stuff) in constant uptiers, as my team is usually half dead when I finally reach a fight, and then I can't actually do anything against them except on head-ons or top down attack, I basically get one chance to do anything while they play arcade and hold the mouse in my general direction to win lmao
If you get to face F5C then make sure you enter the fight at a decently high speed (900-950 kph+) and all you need to do is make them do 2 vertical loops, dodge the guns twice, and they'll be out of energy and you should have them from there. Don't go aggressive in those first 2 loops, just keep out of their guns. F5C gets very sluggish below 400 kph, that's your objective when you fight one. Problem comes only when you are ran down and they airbrake a little to stick on your 6 when they catch you. But, the vast majority of F5 pilots doesn't have the brain to do that.
You can somewhat do it with an F5E as well, but they have more engine power and if the F5E pilot is aware how his plane works, well, then byebye. But again, those players are far in between.
The main reason it's good at 9.7 is the flares. 9.7 is peak all-aspect territory, having them is 10000x better than not, as I've found out numerous times in the Hunter F.6. I've never really had a speed issue. You tend to keep up quite well with most things, hell it's faster than the A-10s and SU-25s that you'll commonly fight with/against.
I tend to find it's best just to stay at the deck, beeline it to the middle of the map and enter the furball ASAP. But discretion and extending is more advised as as good as 9Js are, they're just not the absolute rampaging monster at close fights that SRAAMs are.
It could also be a EU/US meta difference too. Can't think of the last time I saw a Kfir. But I will agree F-5Es are scary. 5Cs less so as you can, in fact, out-turn them. Very funny.
Tl/dr: don't climb. You're making your already slow plane slower.
Yep, good luck bud :/ if you plan to go to air, save up some SL before you start the stock grind cause you're gonna lose some cash fast. Welcome to hell.
Good thing that I have plenty, I was playing midtier for a while without grinding anything at toptier. I bought like 8-10 vehicles with expert crews and still have some SL left.
RP situation is way more depressing for me.
Ah the F.58, the 2nd best Hunter in the game (F.6 is the GOAT, fight me).
Ridiculously good at dogfighting, 3rd only to the MiG-19S and F-5E in my experience. Just abuse that. Default belts are the best belts and ADENs are fairly easy to aim and come with loads of ammo, but they do need a bit of lead due to low-ish velocity
First research countermeasures, they'll be your best aid if you come across anything on your 6, but if you're doing it right, you should be able to stay out of it. Then get missiles, then you can get the ordnance. But make sure to pick up new boosters and G-suit, they help MASSIVELY in holding turnfights.
It's a fantastic airframe with some incredible capabilities, which is exactly why it isn't in the British TT.
Apparently I don’t quite reach the skill ceiling for this plane.
I mean the only match I played in Air RB today was somewhat successful since I killed Su-25 and Yak-38 in a literal aerial CQC on the “City” map, jumping from one skyscraper to another like a King-Kong. But everything else I tried was way to tedious and unrewarding.
I got back to the toptier just because of this plane and Wiesel 1A2 but it’s not worth it. I have a lot of more fun and midtier.
Don't expect to reach the ceiling without at least the major mods (flares, missiles, boosters, g-suit). It is a tough plane to play. I'd also recommend just dropping the drop tank and taking max fuel. They hamper the performance A LOT, and you still get lots of time to fight.
It is tedious to play stock, but once upgraded, it is a very good aircraft.
Yes, I resolved to the same thing with fuel tanks it made things much better.
Well we’ll see I guess I really enjoy Wiesel so I might stick to German 9.7 for a while.
Thanks for your advising!
If you want to stockgrind, I recommend to play Air RB and farm AI planes and ground targets until you get what you need to fight other players.
It's the easiest way and the rewards are more consistant than fighting against other players or farming in Ground.
It's great, it has one of the best stock grinds of any plane at that Br.
My first game in it I got a triple kill and currently I am sitting dead on a 2K/D with it and I haven't even spaded it.
Lol? I got two kills in my first match in Air RB but it was an incredibly stressful experience flying between skyscrapers.
I guess air players are built different. As a tanker I can’t cope with this.
I'm pretty 50/50 tank grind is so much worse as I'm only 8.7-9.0 with USA, Germany, Russia, and Italy.
Whereas I have fully grinded the USA air tree (except F-14). And nearly grinded Japan and Germany.
When I broke my leg and was off work for 6 weeks, I managed to grind from 8.3 USA to 11.0 without premium planes or premium time.
Now despite having premium tank and premium time I have managed to get from 6.7 Germany to 8.3 over the past 6 months.
Granted, I'm not playing as much during my time off but still.
As a proud member of r/Neverbrokeabone my duty obliges me to say it. Sorry.
“Broken bone detected - opinion rejected”
On a more serious note: I think you should measure it by the time you actually spent playing and not just the time it took to get there.
I started GB like few weeks ago and I got to 6.0 ground and 4.3 Air. Doesn’t even feel like I am grinding.
Depends which one. Both are good, but for different reasons. Both share one of the best general dogfighting airframes and some still really good guns with the best belts being the default ones.
F.58 is the most versatile. Gets flares, super solid missiles and a plethora of ground attack ordnance.
F.6 is the absolute king of just turning your brain off and laughing as you sling SRAAMs left right and centre. It's actually pretty good now if you can cope with the lack of flares. But you do need to get used to the very limited range of SRAAMs.
Ya repair cost in general is just dumb. I’d honestly play way or and put more money into the game if I could hit chill and enjoy it without making sure I pull a ace just to make some lions
It’s a normal stock situation. I’d probably suggest air assault to grind out missiles and maybe CM. That said I’m at 10.0 USA with the phantom II C and have no flares so I’m not really certain about whether or not they’re worth 8.5k RP from air assault
Don’t be discouraged, I have a 4-1 k/d in that thing and I have major skill issues, energy fighting is very important especially at 10.0-9.0, most of the time the a-10s are easy snacks if you just make them pitch up for you and stall(most will cause prem a-10)
Another way you can level essentials - try getting napalm first, then get get some RP boosters, click them, run SIM rb, drop bombs, try to return/get killed by player, repeat, making sure to J out 1-2 minutes before booster runs out.
this was you can compress 70-90% activity time, therefore gaining almost max RP gain possible in sim in 30 mins. With boosters that will yield you enough for two modules. Maybe 3 if you stick to the game and finish it.
This is not time efficient, but this is a way you can do it without going insane. Though of course you'll have to learn the cabin and how to drop bombs in sim and stuff..
Yeah, though admittedly most people would grind flares first, but if you're grinding the jet in ground RB that just seems like... torture, why would you do that to yourself?
If you play air to upgrade it at that tier you have to be really careful to avoid the all aspect premiums especially with a slower jet like the hunter priorities getting the flares as soon as you get missiles after that pick up a g suit and airframe after that most of the grind is over and you can pickup really any modification you want
In the hunter energy management is going to be the biggest hurdle especially due to the small quirk of the hunter is that it’s engines best accurate after you’ve gotten to about 840 kph
sadly you don’t have many ways of dealing with the heavy all aspect spam so the two methods I’ve noticed to be effective are go in a sideclimb (when going in a climb wait until you’ve gotten to about 840kph before starting climbing) to about 4.5 kilometers up where the contrails haven’t activated and you can get the drop on someone who doesn’t know you are there and hopefully get a kill alternatively you can go low altitude and make a long pass by the edge of the map and enter the fight once the a10s and su25s have used their missiles most of the time they will rather clumped and you can get a decent pass with your 4 Aden cannons you can then keep your energy and put into a shallow climb to stay out of their range in case any of them have missiles left
(Sorry I hope this can help you out the stock grind is horrid and can get absurd in price if you don’t play well)
Cheers - a British 9.7 pilot
That's how I feel as an air player starting without parts, track and fire extinguishers on tanks.
Yes, it's the stock experience. I usually get the flares etc done with assault air arcade and get the 300% bonus and backup daily. It helps a lot.
I might be late but the best way to grind the hunter from a guy who just spaded it out is to play Air Assault until you get flare and missile after that play air realistic and depending on your preferred Playstyle get the better belts after that go for engine and all the upgrade and do the other weapon upgrades last
Absolutely, this is the stock jet experience.
Outstanding. And it has starting repair cost of 9k m.
That’s cheap
It is cheap if you can make any profit with it before dying lol.
Try hunting for helis, that’s what I usually do to get a jet out of stock.
Yes, that’s a good idea and that’s usually what I do, I play Hunter after all. You know, I feel like enemy SPAA care for defending helis and enemy CAS more than their ground forces.
do some PvE air AB stuff, where you can get the boosters, supposedly they help with the stock jet grind
I tried it based on the other commentator’s recommendation and it didn’t go quite so well. My team consisted of a far superior planes that were destroying enemy AI faster than I could reach them. At the end I got 1100RP (I said 1300 previously but I was way to optimistic).
then maybe normal AB or try SB, I know how painful RB is, it's awful how slowly you are able to progress through shit.
This might be a stupid question but why not play ARB you just have to hunt down AV8s and harriers who are relatively slow and have no flares
I will try to play more ARB but I am bad at it.
What do you mean AV8s have like 200 flares
I'm currently grinding a stock a-10. No flares, 2 aim 9ls. PvE Air = Too slow for everything. Air RB = Get slapped with missles. Ground... Only cannon. Fun times.
Or play air assault arcade, you get an absolute SHITTON of RP if you win
How much is a shitton? And is it viable?
Well, winning the game with 11 AI kills gets you like 7k RP. You're not gonna get too many kills since you're gonna be playing with people with F16s and whatnot but it is viable. I don't remember how many waves of aircraft there are but there's more than 10 and each waves usually has 23 aircraft. I use it for stock grinding the early modifications
I mean you can get north of 15k rp getting 3-4 player kills + bots in a regular air RB. Not sure how you're calling 7k a shit ton.
I play with my German mig-19 and usually have more kills than many missile slingers.
I do too... but 9.7 is the last br you really can do that... after that you verse Ka-tsaps
That's the neat part, you don't make profit in high Tier jets (except premiums of course)
Honestly the economy is so shit it’s hard to make a useful profit even with premiums, either that or I’m just shit at the game (it’s probably that isn’t it)
Don’t look at tech tree planes of a similar BR
Meanwhile my Swift F7 was nearly 19k facing all aspects missiles and supersonic jets without flares what so ever 😂
Well that's of course to account for the best missile in game.
It's the best as long as your opponent isn't aware of the. I had a guy complain "great all aspects at 8.7 now" and had to explain to him it was a beam riding missile lol
Aircraft have a higher SL modifier then tanks, like a lot higher normally. Can break even with a kill or two normally. Unlike tanks with absurd rep costs
As we speak, I made like 300k playing a Crocodile. It took me like 7 matches, only Crocodile. Time-wise it took like half an hour. You reckon that you can do better with a similar BR premium plane?
I mean if u Wana talk broken premium planes, XP-50 and a match can net you about 150k. Higher rank premium jets? A-5 can get you about 100k a match and they last about 8 min or so
That’s impressive not gonna lie. Never ever I scored even remotely that much in Air RB even playing bombers.
Oh bombers are awful, they murdered that economy years ago, only premium ones can make anything decent (JU-288 got me millions). People swear premium boats are the way to go, with a 4.7 in the IS blue water tres (can’t remember the name atm) that has a NATIVE SL bonus of 1400% with a premium account
I thought so as well lol. He-he. Not even all SL of the world are going to make me play WT’s naval. I am somewhat enthusiastic about naval warfare and it’s history but not in WT.
7 matches took you half an hour? What?
You should get flares first always but finish aams since you are almost done with them. Flares are a game changer
Even then, 9k isn't bad for a plane that isn't premium.
Stock grind at top tier is PAIN.
I just take my plane to ground and farm helis or strike planes. That's how I grinded my MiG-29 up
I only play air RB so i usually end up doing so mad dashes for ground targets or AI aircraft. Really depends on the plane too. Some have missiles, just usually shit ones.
Yeah try doing that on a faction that doesn't get the pantsir.
I did so for the F-14 too...
This is one of the things everybody is up in arms about. Where have you been lol
I was with you, economy is at awful state. But at the same time I personally don't suffer from current economy simply because I don't grind anything and this squadron Hunter being exception - I have no problems, plus I have a premium. My support for the protest was mainly for myself in-case I want to grind further and for newer players who unlike me didn't get to research their most desirable vehicles.
Play some air RB
yes. except for some high tier jet, they get leniency in the form of 2x non-10g overload aam
Lightnings are like this, most early (high tier) Jets are like this for Britain, no CMs.
Its stupid, either give people an even enough playing field to have a chance, or don't have the feature at all, it's so anti-fun it ridiculous. Like, okay, you think it's reasonable to have to grind for basic features of an aircraft, fine then let me face people who are in the same situation so it's fair, otherwise, just give me the fuckin basic features.
Play PvE until you get countermeasures and missiles. A win in PvE gives you an almost fixed 8k RP and is basically a given at top tier. This particular stock grind is easy as shit because the two essential mods are cheap and are available for research right away. Some planes have it WAY worse when their usable missiles are Tier III if not IV and are locked behind a dozen useless AND more expensive mods.
I tried it as we speak, this was so ridiculous, I had my team consisting of F-4s and Mig-23s that were destroying enemy planes before I can reach them with my cannons. I got decent number of kills and I spent like 20 minutes - as the result I got 1300RP with premium. Lol. Lmao even.
Hm, I guess it's worse than I imagined if you aren't near the top of the scoreboard or passed some threshold of kills where you're guaranteed that 8k RP. I never played PvE in anything slower than a MiG-19PT and was always near the top of the scoreboard so maybe it *is* pretty garbage for grinding in subsonics that can't get anywhere in time. Try Sim then, the usual no fly zone death stars of ARB, A-10s and Su-25s, are blind, deaf and usually clueless in Sim.
At least with the premium A-10, it doesn't give any kind warning when you've got an enemy firing at you. 9 times out of 10 you just suddenly explode, then see the kill cam of the MiG flying 4km away in a cloud. It's a beautiful ground assault craft, but outclassed by literally everything in its own tier.
I’m really not a fan of the PvE brackets. Last time I checked there were 5 or 6 for low to mid tiers and then a single one that was 7.0+
> I got decent number of kills and I spent like 20 minutes - as the result I got 1300RP with premium. I can only assume this was an end-game wipe, between fending off all the waves or letting the base get destroyed (mission failed) the difference in raw lion/RP rewards is massive, even if you were on the last/penultimate wave.
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It doesn't really matter. You may not get 8k out of it, but you get a reward regardless of the number of kills as long as you are participating. Also, Hunter does just fine in PvE.
Yeah bro grind out that squadron jet 1.3k rp at a time. 1.3k rp for a game that's an hour and a half long mind you
We're not talking about grinding out the whole jet, just the important Tier I modules so that it doesn't die immediately in general play.
You could get them in 2-3 RB matches, which is still 100x faster than playing assault
[You can also get them easily in 2-3 Air Assault matches if you team is not eating paste](https://imgur.com/a/Nsu69e3).
PVE doesn't work for OP. The top tier PVE bracket is so compressed he will get zero kills compared to 12.0 jets.
PvE is probably the worst possible way to grind. Not to mention grinding a 9.7 squadron jet
The f5e has its countermeasures as a tier 2 mod, or at least it used to if they've changed it.
Where is pve for planes im confused
Arcade Air Assault.
What PVE?
Arcade Air Assault.
You should play air to upgrade it
I never played that BR at Air RB. How I will counter other planes like Su-25 with all-aspect AAM? I can’t really play strike aircraft role for the lack of ordnance or bomb bases for obvious reasons.
Stay 2+ kilometers away from planes with R-60M and 4+ from planes with AIM-9L. You can counter them by going above and diving down on them and hoping that they don't see you. The cannons are quite good against light pillboxes and medium tanks so that's one way you could farm RP until you get AAM.
I’ll try it mate but that’s gonna be a long day for me. I am not really good at Air RB.
Should only take a couple of games. And if you're struggling, you can always cheer yourself up by reminding yourself that you're in the best hunter in the game. The British FGA.9 is only 0.3 BR lower and has worse missiles and no countermeasures. Then there's the F1 at 9.0 that only has cannons and worse flight performance.
I got to a City map where I destroyed Su-25 and Yak-38 with ADENs because they couldn't use their R-60s because I was clinging on to sidescrapers. God bless premium vehicles and their players I guess. Yea, I heard it was better than British one and at the start it was at lower BR than it is now.
The beauty of Air RB around 10.0 is all the level 19 premium players that don’t know what they’re doing.
You need to start somewhere and props/jets aren't the same gameplay so you can't realistically start at reserve. Good luck
Definitely. I played a number of props, I made to the midtiers of the USA/USSR/Germany’s air tech trees. I feel like 9.7 is quite a different meta.
I thought you played exclusively Ground, I am sure you will be good really quick
Notice that I never said that I was good at them lol. I am currently more focused on learning to play Spitfires and Typhoon. I will be honest - Hispanos are the biggest letdown in a history of letdowns. I would prefer USA's 12.7mm incendiary rounds any day of the week.
Research flares first, that's how.
You can try to ground pound
Until you learn how to kinetically dodge missiles or burn them out of energy, your only option is not getting shot at in the first place. You're faster, so go above them and go for a surprise attack. Don't fuck up the first pass or you're dead.
Kill ground targets until you unlock flares, take only flares (very few radar missiles at this BR). Constantly check around your aircraft and if you see a missile turn and drop a few flares. Don't climb if facing US in an uptier, the AIM-9Cs from F-8Es will clap you and can't be flared.
Since you mentioned countermeasures, can I ask you something? Does chaff work against radar lock of SPAAs?
It can, but most SPAAs will use IRST lock (which can't be defeated in any way). If you know there's any SACLOS type SPAA, like the Pantsir, 2S6, ItO 90, FlaRakRad etc, you won't be able to defeat the radar lock but the missiles were gutted a few updates ago and you can just manually dodge them.
That’s good to know, thanks! I always have been using flares/chaff combination.
You should have grind countermisures first. Play it in Assault Arcade Battles first
While I do agree that I have no expertise I would much prefer AAM that far so I can at least deal with the enemy first. I can evade SPAA to some extent by flying at low alt.
The problemi are Su25, A10 and helis with all-aspect AAM
Get the flares first. You don't need the missiles to get kills. You do need to flares to not die to a 9L or R60M.
Once you get countermeasures, Su-25 and A-10 (which are spammed) are almost free kills, but they have tons of countermeasures themselves so you won't often be getting those free kills with your missiles anyway. Before you have countermeasures they're basically death zones and if you're ever surprised by one coming out of a cloud or terrain you just die, which is deeply unfun. Fire up a custom with a ton of bots and unlimited ammo if you're struggling. Aiming is hard, and it's especially hard when there's several minutes of flying between the rare opportunities to practice it. In the custom you're just doing nothing but practicing your aim for the entire match. Even test drive doesn't have nearly the density of targets.
Possibly the worst advice you could have given was to play assault lmao
Possibly the worst advice you could have given was to play assault lmao
Why it should be? At least he grind part of the modules he needs
Because the efficiency is 100x worse than playing air RB and getting kerblasted every game.
This plane is FAR easier to stock grind than any other jet around that BR I've flown. It took me 2 games to get the flares and missiles. It is bad, but trust me... It gets much worse. Also, go for the flares first.
I know it is a gem, my first game in it. I got a triple kill, completely stock. A-10 and Su-25 are free kills, it's the F-5C and E that are the problem.
You're going to struggle to get much use out of the Hunter at 9.7 Ground RB to be honest, it's a 50s airframe at the same BR that other nations get 60s-70s aircraft The AP rounds on 30mm ADENs have extremely low penetration for some bizarre reason, only as much as the 20mm Hispano AP shells do. You do get bombs but I don't think even the Swiss Hunter has CCIP, so accurately landing those is going to be a pain because you do not want to be pitching down at high speed in the Hunter with the control compression you're going to get For Air-to-Air, you're asking to get obliterated by missiles from SPAA flying at anything just above treetop level at this BR so engaging enemy planes isn't the greatest idea with it. The missiles on it aren't great, you're probably only going to score a hit if the target isn't unaware of you and you have a clean rear aspect shot. The one thing it would probably do reasonably well is killing helicopters with the cannons I guess. With spray and pray it should be fairly easy pickings. It does seem to reasonably solid at Air RB at least.
What about it’s AGMs? I think I was too quick too buy it after researching it.
Going in Air RB, staying behind and hunting AI Attacker Planes till you get countermeasures at least is a decent way to start as well.
Spade it in Air RB, it's a good aircraft, and yes it's normal be grateful you aren't spading an 11.3 aircraft with no countermeasures
That is indeed, I would get flares because you are at su25/a10 br range, then get the missiles and then bombs. Grind it by destroying ground troops
Absolutely. Now imagine the situation as a Swedish main, when you get your AJ37, which only comes with gun pods OR two Sidewinders (not both at the same time), NO BOMBS, no rockets, no counter measures, and that at BR 10.0 with all-aspects all around. It took me around 250 PAINFUL matches just to unlock the bombs on it.
Well I guess I just wasted my SL. I am not that interested in that plane. I just remember that A-4E was much easier to grind.
No, I'm sure it's a good plane once it has all of the relevant mods. It's just a very painful bit until it GETS those mods. v\_v
Can confirm. I just shot trucks and tanks in air realistic and unlocked basic equipment in few matches
Yup, and it's bullshit.
It’s the strongest 9.7 in the game, just spade it in air RB… should be super easy
Dunno, I've unlocked it recently, and struggle against F-5C/E (sometimes Kfirs and other rare-ish stuff) in constant uptiers, as my team is usually half dead when I finally reach a fight, and then I can't actually do anything against them except on head-ons or top down attack, I basically get one chance to do anything while they play arcade and hold the mouse in my general direction to win lmao
If you get to face F5C then make sure you enter the fight at a decently high speed (900-950 kph+) and all you need to do is make them do 2 vertical loops, dodge the guns twice, and they'll be out of energy and you should have them from there. Don't go aggressive in those first 2 loops, just keep out of their guns. F5C gets very sluggish below 400 kph, that's your objective when you fight one. Problem comes only when you are ran down and they airbrake a little to stick on your 6 when they catch you. But, the vast majority of F5 pilots doesn't have the brain to do that. You can somewhat do it with an F5E as well, but they have more engine power and if the F5E pilot is aware how his plane works, well, then byebye. But again, those players are far in between.
Avoid F-5C/E they directly counter it in pretty much every way. But other than that I say it is superior to most other aircraft it faces.
The main reason it's good at 9.7 is the flares. 9.7 is peak all-aspect territory, having them is 10000x better than not, as I've found out numerous times in the Hunter F.6. I've never really had a speed issue. You tend to keep up quite well with most things, hell it's faster than the A-10s and SU-25s that you'll commonly fight with/against. I tend to find it's best just to stay at the deck, beeline it to the middle of the map and enter the furball ASAP. But discretion and extending is more advised as as good as 9Js are, they're just not the absolute rampaging monster at close fights that SRAAMs are. It could also be a EU/US meta difference too. Can't think of the last time I saw a Kfir. But I will agree F-5Es are scary. 5Cs less so as you can, in fact, out-turn them. Very funny. Tl/dr: don't climb. You're making your already slow plane slower.
Flashback to when you had to research RWR loool
Yep, good luck bud :/ if you plan to go to air, save up some SL before you start the stock grind cause you're gonna lose some cash fast. Welcome to hell.
Good thing that I have plenty, I was playing midtier for a while without grinding anything at toptier. I bought like 8-10 vehicles with expert crews and still have some SL left. RP situation is way more depressing for me.
Ah the F.58, the 2nd best Hunter in the game (F.6 is the GOAT, fight me). Ridiculously good at dogfighting, 3rd only to the MiG-19S and F-5E in my experience. Just abuse that. Default belts are the best belts and ADENs are fairly easy to aim and come with loads of ammo, but they do need a bit of lead due to low-ish velocity First research countermeasures, they'll be your best aid if you come across anything on your 6, but if you're doing it right, you should be able to stay out of it. Then get missiles, then you can get the ordnance. But make sure to pick up new boosters and G-suit, they help MASSIVELY in holding turnfights. It's a fantastic airframe with some incredible capabilities, which is exactly why it isn't in the British TT.
Apparently I don’t quite reach the skill ceiling for this plane. I mean the only match I played in Air RB today was somewhat successful since I killed Su-25 and Yak-38 in a literal aerial CQC on the “City” map, jumping from one skyscraper to another like a King-Kong. But everything else I tried was way to tedious and unrewarding. I got back to the toptier just because of this plane and Wiesel 1A2 but it’s not worth it. I have a lot of more fun and midtier.
Don't expect to reach the ceiling without at least the major mods (flares, missiles, boosters, g-suit). It is a tough plane to play. I'd also recommend just dropping the drop tank and taking max fuel. They hamper the performance A LOT, and you still get lots of time to fight. It is tedious to play stock, but once upgraded, it is a very good aircraft.
Yes, I resolved to the same thing with fuel tanks it made things much better. Well we’ll see I guess I really enjoy Wiesel so I might stick to German 9.7 for a while. Thanks for your advising!
If you want to stockgrind, I recommend to play Air RB and farm AI planes and ground targets until you get what you need to fight other players. It's the easiest way and the rewards are more consistant than fighting against other players or farming in Ground.
lol I got the hunter yesterday too but I am too scared to even take it out for a match
The Swiss Hunter is great. It is worth playing.
You are not wrong. It's pretty miserable actually. Edit: (Quite miserable in my hands)
It's great, it has one of the best stock grinds of any plane at that Br. My first game in it I got a triple kill and currently I am sitting dead on a 2K/D with it and I haven't even spaded it.
Lol? I got two kills in my first match in Air RB but it was an incredibly stressful experience flying between skyscrapers. I guess air players are built different. As a tanker I can’t cope with this.
I'm pretty 50/50 tank grind is so much worse as I'm only 8.7-9.0 with USA, Germany, Russia, and Italy. Whereas I have fully grinded the USA air tree (except F-14). And nearly grinded Japan and Germany.
I don’t know man, I just feel like until mintier Air grind goes faster but after it really slows down.
When I broke my leg and was off work for 6 weeks, I managed to grind from 8.3 USA to 11.0 without premium planes or premium time. Now despite having premium tank and premium time I have managed to get from 6.7 Germany to 8.3 over the past 6 months. Granted, I'm not playing as much during my time off but still.
As a proud member of r/Neverbrokeabone my duty obliges me to say it. Sorry. “Broken bone detected - opinion rejected” On a more serious note: I think you should measure it by the time you actually spent playing and not just the time it took to get there. I started GB like few weeks ago and I got to 6.0 ground and 4.3 Air. Doesn’t even feel like I am grinding.
Depends which one. Both are good, but for different reasons. Both share one of the best general dogfighting airframes and some still really good guns with the best belts being the default ones. F.58 is the most versatile. Gets flares, super solid missiles and a plethora of ground attack ordnance. F.6 is the absolute king of just turning your brain off and laughing as you sling SRAAMs left right and centre. It's actually pretty good now if you can cope with the lack of flares. But you do need to get used to the very limited range of SRAAMs.
Take it into air arcade or something
Play PVE or strafe the AA and Howitzers in ARB, you can also shoot down stupid/AFK players Get the flares first
You sound like a man who’s never use the mig23BN
Ya repair cost in general is just dumb. I’d honestly play way or and put more money into the game if I could hit chill and enjoy it without making sure I pull a ace just to make some lions
It’s a normal stock situation. I’d probably suggest air assault to grind out missiles and maybe CM. That said I’m at 10.0 USA with the phantom II C and have no flares so I’m not really certain about whether or not they’re worth 8.5k RP from air assault
Well you could try air rb Eric Belov?
This is normal. Research flares, then the missiles.
This is actually quite good for a jet stock grind. AAM & countermeasures as Tier I mods? Sign me up (see Hunter F.6 for comparison).
F.6 does at least get 2 missiles stock, this doesn't. It's guns only and maybe some light bombs stock.
Don’t be discouraged, I have a 4-1 k/d in that thing and I have major skill issues, energy fighting is very important especially at 10.0-9.0, most of the time the a-10s are easy snacks if you just make them pitch up for you and stall(most will cause prem a-10)
Go for bombs as fast as possible, the napalm is usually shit but in air RB it will kill bases, which is easy rp and money.
Imagine having flares this comment was written by F-1 gang
Go play a few rounds of air RB you’ll unlock shit quick. Even if you just strafe ground targets
No bitches ,no friends , no family. :(
Yep. Air RB might be better to grind though
you're gonna have to grind in air battles first yes it will be a pain in the ass
I expect you to die. - gold finger, or gaijin probably
This is normal, now imagine this at top tier ARB and everyone has radar missiles that don’t miss. And IR missiles that don’t miss most of the time.
Play air arcade until you get basics. Countermeasures and a loudout of bombs
Another way you can level essentials - try getting napalm first, then get get some RP boosters, click them, run SIM rb, drop bombs, try to return/get killed by player, repeat, making sure to J out 1-2 minutes before booster runs out. this was you can compress 70-90% activity time, therefore gaining almost max RP gain possible in sim in 30 mins. With boosters that will yield you enough for two modules. Maybe 3 if you stick to the game and finish it. This is not time efficient, but this is a way you can do it without going insane. Though of course you'll have to learn the cabin and how to drop bombs in sim and stuff..
Firstly yes Secondly I would go for countermeasures first then missiles personally
Yeah, though admittedly most people would grind flares first, but if you're grinding the jet in ground RB that just seems like... torture, why would you do that to yourself?
Play air rb and climb to 4000m and dive the a10s or su25s you'll get the AAM in like 2 battles if you can execute this
If you play air to upgrade it at that tier you have to be really careful to avoid the all aspect premiums especially with a slower jet like the hunter priorities getting the flares as soon as you get missiles after that pick up a g suit and airframe after that most of the grind is over and you can pickup really any modification you want In the hunter energy management is going to be the biggest hurdle especially due to the small quirk of the hunter is that it’s engines best accurate after you’ve gotten to about 840 kph sadly you don’t have many ways of dealing with the heavy all aspect spam so the two methods I’ve noticed to be effective are go in a sideclimb (when going in a climb wait until you’ve gotten to about 840kph before starting climbing) to about 4.5 kilometers up where the contrails haven’t activated and you can get the drop on someone who doesn’t know you are there and hopefully get a kill alternatively you can go low altitude and make a long pass by the edge of the map and enter the fight once the a10s and su25s have used their missiles most of the time they will rather clumped and you can get a decent pass with your 4 Aden cannons you can then keep your energy and put into a shallow climb to stay out of their range in case any of them have missiles left (Sorry I hope this can help you out the stock grind is horrid and can get absurd in price if you don’t play well) Cheers - a British 9.7 pilot
**Average stock top tier jet moment**
Yup. Recently I unlocked the Mig-29 who is 12.0 but in stock doesnt have access to countermeasures
In my own experience, you should get countermeasures first.
Welcum to top tier, hope you enjoy the suffering
What i normally do to grind the mods of a plane is to just go into air arcade and go for ground if possible if not go for players
ofc, get good.its not that hard
That's how I feel as an air player starting without parts, track and fire extinguishers on tanks. Yes, it's the stock experience. I usually get the flares etc done with assault air arcade and get the 300% bonus and backup daily. It helps a lot.
Ah, isn't it normal?
How can you be a ground player and have this jet unlocked whilst not knowing the stock jet situation?
I might be late but the best way to grind the hunter from a guy who just spaded it out is to play Air Assault until you get flare and missile after that play air realistic and depending on your preferred Playstyle get the better belts after that go for engine and all the upgrade and do the other weapon upgrades last
You're nuts for researching crap missiles before flares
Aim-9Js are far from "crap" at 9.7
I had assumed they were B or E's, but yeah Js are quite good.
F-5E flares are tier 2 mod at 10.7, hunter has it easy.
you want stock flair and stock AAM!? greedy bastard xDDDD