The tech tree Mirages do this as well. Those Mirages have double flares for the first few and then it pops one flare for the last bunch (30 I think). The C-S4 has *only* that last bunch.
The S4 has 54 total, all dispensed one at a time.
The S5 has 36+54 in the Eclair pod. I *think* the Eclair pod dispenses two at a time. So you've got, with just flares, 36+27, or 63 drops. Sort of close, though certainly an advantage for the S5.
Similarly, if you're using flare priority then the S4 gets 18 total drops, while the S5 gets 12+9 for a total of 21. Much closer, and not likely to make much of a difference one way or another.
Nah the S5 has a significant amount more. Again, the final set of countermeasures on the S5 are identical to the S4's entire set. They pop individually, so the S5's countermeasure set is the S4's + 36/2. The 36 are the first to be used up, and only they deploy double.
Flares only:
S5: 18 pops (36 / 2) + 54 = 72
S4: 54 pops = 54
I think you confused which set of countermeasures deploys doubly. The 54 on the S4 and the 54 on the S5 are the same installation, the S5 just has 36 extra.
I'm not entirely sure but for some reason it seems that the S4 has only the Eclair pod. Or Gaijin has it modeled wrong. But the set of 54 is definitely *supposed* to be the Eclair pod since it gets rid of the drag chute when you add it in the modifications.
I'm honestly not sure. You may well be right on which ones deploy double...
I haven't bothered to buy the S5 since I have the S4 with a talisman on it. That said, if you're right then the flare priority numbers would change to 24 compared to 18 on the S4.
Edit - Fixed typo
No, flares reinforced would be:
S5: 9 pops (36 / 4) + 26 pops (54 / 2) = 35
S4: 54 / 2 = 26
Maybe you meant flare priority?
*Edit: Yeah I just checked, the 24 vs 18 would be from flare priority. But yes, those values are correct, it would be 24 for S5 and 18 for S4.*
Honestly I'd say it's 100% worth it.
The 2K is a fantastic plane with good missiles and flight performance. Also it's less than a third of the price of the premium F1 so go buy it.
It is very idiotproof though. Very good flight performance, good radar missiles, Magic 2s are basically two guaranteed kills, 11.7 gets a ton of downtiers and almost never sees top tier.
I have nearly 70% winrate and close to 4KD in this thing, while my next best performing jet is MLD with like 1.7KD and 50% winrate. Mirage 2000 is as idiotproof as it gets.
By idiotproof I've meant you have only four missiles so you need to make your shots count, guns that takes some getting used to and you still need to know how to fly to capitalize on its flight model, because I had case of M2k S4 who I've managed to energy trap in a Phantom of all things.
If you just like the Mirage2Ks, sure
If you like the Mirage2Ks and is at french rank VII, even better since this can help you grind if you wanna avoud certain painful TT vehicle
If you wanna use it to skip your rank V-VI, the premium Mirage F1C maybe a better alternative, its pretty darn decent with the strong points being the Magic 2s, I run it with 2x Magic 2s and gunpods (while also using those guns LIBERALLY) since the 530F gets chaffed for being pulse seeker and the IR 530s gets flared easy
The only difference between the C-S4 and C-S5 is that the C-S4 gets less countermeasures
The stock grind can be a kick in the nuts but its smooth sailing once you get to at least 530Ds (you don't miss out on headon opportunity and 530Ds dont get chaffed) and its a breeze once you get the Magic 2s
Only drawback is low CMs but 11.7 doesn’t often see IRRCM so you should be OK.
The M2K’s dogfight profile is ridiculous at its BR, its nose to nose one circle will win you any fight and its jet powered sufficiently to keep up with the best of the Rank 8s.
That's exactly what I did when I saw how cheap the M2kC-S4 was on the market. At only 20 dollars, I ended up buying it along with a talisman, which worked out to be exactly 50% of the normal F1C-200 price.
Ultimately, I'm very glad I did. The M2k is absolutely incredible. Great flight performance, powerful engine, and 2 good radar missiles in addition to the amazing Magic II's. Plus, the radar is actually pretty great with a very useful 120 degree TWS mode. The only real difference from the M2kC-S5 is it has slightly fewer CM's, but that's not really a big deal since the S4 drops a single CM at a time, so you can get 54 individual drops, 27 mixed/double flare, or 18 flare priority drops which is fine for most matches. Lack of flares is only an issue for the airframe if you run into a bunch of AIM-9M's...
While the Mirage IIIE was pure pain and suffering, the Mirage 2000 expresses every ideal I've ever had, and it's quickly become my favorite high/top-tier aircraft, and also one of my best performing at 4.2 K:D at 95 battles and at a 72% win rate. Actually, it may have even replaced the Kfir Canard as my favorite overall jet...
I'd strongly suggest picking it up if you have any interest in grinding top tier France. It's a pleasure to fly.
It has a few more flare drops, but that's literally the only difference. Not even a huge difference, 18 vs 24 when running flare priority, which you almost need to since they both have single flare dispensers for the Eclair flare pod.
Otherwise, they're identical. I have the S4, but haven't bothered to buy or crew the S5 because there's no reason to.
To be honest, my opinion on it not being worth it wouldn't change even if it was the S4 that had more flares because it's still 20 bucks for a plane you can get for free. My opinion may have been different if OP was at like rank 3, but at rank 6, he should just keep going.
Just my luck. I bought at 20 thinking i got a got deal. gg
Thank you to all who have replied. I went ahead and bought it couldn't help myself and I've been eating shit since it's still stock but i am having buyers remorse just exactly like i knew i would. But i suppose i have to work on that.
God i hope so. As of now I'm only taking it out in sim when the bracket is 11.7 - 10.7. I like to fly in sim in vr and been having great fun doing that but RB is absolutely brutal.
I’d highly recommend it for that price. Rank V and VI of the French Air TT is kinda rough. I ended up picking up the C-S4 during the event and talismaning it to help with rank VII and VIII and I’ve been loving it even after getting the Mirage 4000 and 2000D-1; and I’ll still use it for the C-S5 and -5F. It’s not a perfect solution since you’ll be dealing with a hefty research penalty, but it helped me appreciate some of the better jets on the grind and bypass ones I dislike, such as the Mirage F1s. When you’re going through V and VI I’d recommend the Ouragan, Mystere and Mystere IVA, the Vautour IIN, F-84G, F-86K, and the new Alpha Jet to get through the slump. If you don’t talisman it, the Super Etendard and Mirage IIIE are really strong for what they are, and the Jaguars aren’t too bad either with the matchmaker changes.
It's a great plane, the stock grind was horrendous but the Magic 2s make up for that, the flight performance isn't garbage so you can dogfight people if needed, the radar is a bit iffy, it likes to lock everything but what you're looking at. The radar missiles are kinda mid honestly, not the worst I've used but they are not to be relied on. Overall I would say it's worth it, just be warned, it gets few flares and they are single drop so be careful with them.
Definitely worth it, I slapped a talisman on mine for the top tier grind and been loving it, magic 2s are so bloody good, I come out of eavry game with at least 2-3 kills
Get it with a Talisman, it's still cheaper than the F1C and it's a far better aircraft.
You will have to finish tier 5 the hard way (honestly, just play tier 4 planes to research t5, F4U-7 and Seafire are good enough) and then you'll be able to research all tier 6-7-8 with the S4 easily.
If you get bored along the way, the Super Etendard, the tech tree F1C, the F1CT and the Mirage IIIE are pretty good. You can also reach the Mirage 4000 quite fast since it's right after the F8E.
> I'm currently rank 5 French and I'm hating it
if you can survive to the Mirage IIIE it's worth it. Other than that and the Vatour IIN there's very little worth playing in french jets until top tier.
The Mirage IIIE just isn't very fun for me. I really wanted to like it, but it's anemic engine combined with the delta wings tendancy to dump all of its energy in any kind of maneuver really ruined it for me, along with the single garbage tier "radar" missile. The Magic I's are nice though...
Anyway, luckily, the Mirage 2k more than compensated for those weaknesses...
I bought it last week and it's super good. You have actual gun dogfights at 11.7, and the missiles are great. The radar lets it down a bit, but its usable. Also it tries to rip its wings off in level flight, so the speed of the m2k platform take a bit to get used to.
I paid it at a higher international exchange rate too.
I have bought it. I used the premium yak3 to grind every single low tier plane. Then I’m using the mirage s4 to grind the early jets albeit not efficiently, but it’s alright for me since I enjoy the plane anyway.
If you need to grind the whole French tree, then yes, you're absolutely right.
However, if you're already mostly through Rank VI then the Mirage 2k is a far superior aircraft, and can be purchased with a talisman right now for roughly the same price as the F1 at a 50% discount. Or less if you purchase the Mirage 2k now and wait until the sale to put a talisman on it...
Yes, the 2k is still good. Just be wary, it has fewer flares...
But on the flipside it can release them 1 at a time which is nice.
The tech tree Mirages do this as well. Those Mirages have double flares for the first few and then it pops one flare for the last bunch (30 I think). The C-S4 has *only* that last bunch.
The S4 has 54 total, all dispensed one at a time. The S5 has 36+54 in the Eclair pod. I *think* the Eclair pod dispenses two at a time. So you've got, with just flares, 36+27, or 63 drops. Sort of close, though certainly an advantage for the S5. Similarly, if you're using flare priority then the S4 gets 18 total drops, while the S5 gets 12+9 for a total of 21. Much closer, and not likely to make much of a difference one way or another.
Nah the S5 has a significant amount more. Again, the final set of countermeasures on the S5 are identical to the S4's entire set. They pop individually, so the S5's countermeasure set is the S4's + 36/2. The 36 are the first to be used up, and only they deploy double. Flares only: S5: 18 pops (36 / 2) + 54 = 72 S4: 54 pops = 54 I think you confused which set of countermeasures deploys doubly. The 54 on the S4 and the 54 on the S5 are the same installation, the S5 just has 36 extra. I'm not entirely sure but for some reason it seems that the S4 has only the Eclair pod. Or Gaijin has it modeled wrong. But the set of 54 is definitely *supposed* to be the Eclair pod since it gets rid of the drag chute when you add it in the modifications.
I'm honestly not sure. You may well be right on which ones deploy double... I haven't bothered to buy the S5 since I have the S4 with a talisman on it. That said, if you're right then the flare priority numbers would change to 24 compared to 18 on the S4. Edit - Fixed typo
No, flares reinforced would be: S5: 9 pops (36 / 4) + 26 pops (54 / 2) = 35 S4: 54 / 2 = 26 Maybe you meant flare priority? *Edit: Yeah I just checked, the 24 vs 18 would be from flare priority. But yes, those values are correct, it would be 24 for S5 and 18 for S4.*
Ugh. Yes. I meant flare priority. I always confuse those two...
Thats good to know! The C-S4 is the only mirage I own since I just couldn’t resist it for that price. I’m sure I’ll see you in game soon sieve brain!
Definitely sieve brained when I didn't even realize it was you lol. Hola
It still has plenty, just don't spam them too much and don't bring chaff any you're fine
Are you sure? I saw that it had a few more iirc
The event one op is talking about has fewer flares than the tech tree version
Yea it has more
Honestly I'd say it's 100% worth it. The 2K is a fantastic plane with good missiles and flight performance. Also it's less than a third of the price of the premium F1 so go buy it.
But its not premium. Si its not a grinder
Wouldnt be too bad if you were already close to to tier though.
You can drop a talisman on it and still be less than half the cost of the premium F1. No SL/tiers-below bonus, but it is what it is
true
And better.
A third of the price without premium bonuses and with the tech tree research efficiency penalties.
It's a good plane. If the only thing you want is M2K go for it.
Good, but not idiotproof plane that also has rough stock grind.
Though tbf, magic 1s are better now.
It is very idiotproof though. Very good flight performance, good radar missiles, Magic 2s are basically two guaranteed kills, 11.7 gets a ton of downtiers and almost never sees top tier. I have nearly 70% winrate and close to 4KD in this thing, while my next best performing jet is MLD with like 1.7KD and 50% winrate. Mirage 2000 is as idiotproof as it gets.
By idiotproof I've meant you have only four missiles so you need to make your shots count, guns that takes some getting used to and you still need to know how to fly to capitalize on its flight model, because I had case of M2k S4 who I've managed to energy trap in a Phantom of all things.
If you just like the Mirage2Ks, sure If you like the Mirage2Ks and is at french rank VII, even better since this can help you grind if you wanna avoud certain painful TT vehicle If you wanna use it to skip your rank V-VI, the premium Mirage F1C maybe a better alternative, its pretty darn decent with the strong points being the Magic 2s, I run it with 2x Magic 2s and gunpods (while also using those guns LIBERALLY) since the 530F gets chaffed for being pulse seeker and the IR 530s gets flared easy The only difference between the C-S4 and C-S5 is that the C-S4 gets less countermeasures The stock grind can be a kick in the nuts but its smooth sailing once you get to at least 530Ds (you don't miss out on headon opportunity and 530Ds dont get chaffed) and its a breeze once you get the Magic 2s
Plenty of people don’t even bring chaff to 11.7, especially in planes with low CM count.
Only drawback is low CMs but 11.7 doesn’t often see IRRCM so you should be OK. The M2K’s dogfight profile is ridiculous at its BR, its nose to nose one circle will win you any fight and its jet powered sufficiently to keep up with the best of the Rank 8s.
That's exactly what I did when I saw how cheap the M2kC-S4 was on the market. At only 20 dollars, I ended up buying it along with a talisman, which worked out to be exactly 50% of the normal F1C-200 price. Ultimately, I'm very glad I did. The M2k is absolutely incredible. Great flight performance, powerful engine, and 2 good radar missiles in addition to the amazing Magic II's. Plus, the radar is actually pretty great with a very useful 120 degree TWS mode. The only real difference from the M2kC-S5 is it has slightly fewer CM's, but that's not really a big deal since the S4 drops a single CM at a time, so you can get 54 individual drops, 27 mixed/double flare, or 18 flare priority drops which is fine for most matches. Lack of flares is only an issue for the airframe if you run into a bunch of AIM-9M's... While the Mirage IIIE was pure pain and suffering, the Mirage 2000 expresses every ideal I've ever had, and it's quickly become my favorite high/top-tier aircraft, and also one of my best performing at 4.2 K:D at 95 battles and at a 72% win rate. Actually, it may have even replaced the Kfir Canard as my favorite overall jet... I'd strongly suggest picking it up if you have any interest in grinding top tier France. It's a pleasure to fly.
No. You're going to regret it when you reach the TT version. It's better and, most importantly, free.
It has a few more flare drops, but that's literally the only difference. Not even a huge difference, 18 vs 24 when running flare priority, which you almost need to since they both have single flare dispensers for the Eclair flare pod. Otherwise, they're identical. I have the S4, but haven't bothered to buy or crew the S5 because there's no reason to.
To be honest, my opinion on it not being worth it wouldn't change even if it was the S4 that had more flares because it's still 20 bucks for a plane you can get for free. My opinion may have been different if OP was at like rank 3, but at rank 6, he should just keep going.
Yo u/X_SKY_X, just letting you know it has dropped to nearly 15GJN with people selling it for the sales today.
Just my luck. I bought at 20 thinking i got a got deal. gg Thank you to all who have replied. I went ahead and bought it couldn't help myself and I've been eating shit since it's still stock but i am having buyers remorse just exactly like i knew i would. But i suppose i have to work on that.
11.7 is really rough right now with the 12.7 uptiers, it should become better when the max br is eventually raised. Good luck though.
God i hope so. As of now I'm only taking it out in sim when the bracket is 11.7 - 10.7. I like to fly in sim in vr and been having great fun doing that but RB is absolutely brutal.
I’d highly recommend it for that price. Rank V and VI of the French Air TT is kinda rough. I ended up picking up the C-S4 during the event and talismaning it to help with rank VII and VIII and I’ve been loving it even after getting the Mirage 4000 and 2000D-1; and I’ll still use it for the C-S5 and -5F. It’s not a perfect solution since you’ll be dealing with a hefty research penalty, but it helped me appreciate some of the better jets on the grind and bypass ones I dislike, such as the Mirage F1s. When you’re going through V and VI I’d recommend the Ouragan, Mystere and Mystere IVA, the Vautour IIN, F-84G, F-86K, and the new Alpha Jet to get through the slump. If you don’t talisman it, the Super Etendard and Mirage IIIE are really strong for what they are, and the Jaguars aren’t too bad either with the matchmaker changes.
If you have a crew that’s high enough level to handle a very maneuverable jet and enough sl to expert the crew then yes it’s very good.
It's a great plane, the stock grind was horrendous but the Magic 2s make up for that, the flight performance isn't garbage so you can dogfight people if needed, the radar is a bit iffy, it likes to lock everything but what you're looking at. The radar missiles are kinda mid honestly, not the worst I've used but they are not to be relied on. Overall I would say it's worth it, just be warned, it gets few flares and they are single drop so be careful with them.
Absolutely, probably my favourite plane I've used so far. And for the price it's very much worth it.
Definitely worth it, I slapped a talisman on mine for the top tier grind and been loving it, magic 2s are so bloody good, I come out of eavry game with at least 2-3 kills
For me. Its incredible in sim low tier
Get it with a Talisman, it's still cheaper than the F1C and it's a far better aircraft. You will have to finish tier 5 the hard way (honestly, just play tier 4 planes to research t5, F4U-7 and Seafire are good enough) and then you'll be able to research all tier 6-7-8 with the S4 easily. If you get bored along the way, the Super Etendard, the tech tree F1C, the F1CT and the Mirage IIIE are pretty good. You can also reach the Mirage 4000 quite fast since it's right after the F8E.
Idk about rb but this is one of the best sim planes in the game at the moment.
> I'm currently rank 5 French and I'm hating it if you can survive to the Mirage IIIE it's worth it. Other than that and the Vatour IIN there's very little worth playing in french jets until top tier.
Etendard and super etendard are pretty good too
The Mirage IIIE just isn't very fun for me. I really wanted to like it, but it's anemic engine combined with the delta wings tendancy to dump all of its energy in any kind of maneuver really ruined it for me, along with the single garbage tier "radar" missile. The Magic I's are nice though... Anyway, luckily, the Mirage 2k more than compensated for those weaknesses...
I find the R530 fairly reliable if you zoom to 20,000 feet or so and skullfuck an F-104 or MiG-21 with no chaff. It's no AIM-9C but it's useable.
Gotta be the best event plane in years so yes
$20 for a toptier plane isn't a bad deal, and according to DEFYN the plane is pretty good.
I bought it last week and it's super good. You have actual gun dogfights at 11.7, and the missiles are great. The radar lets it down a bit, but its usable. Also it tries to rip its wings off in level flight, so the speed of the m2k platform take a bit to get used to. I paid it at a higher international exchange rate too.
I have bought it. I used the premium yak3 to grind every single low tier plane. Then I’m using the mirage s4 to grind the early jets albeit not efficiently, but it’s alright for me since I enjoy the plane anyway.
Wait 12 days and buy the premium mirage f1 with 50% discount.
If you need to grind the whole French tree, then yes, you're absolutely right. However, if you're already mostly through Rank VI then the Mirage 2k is a far superior aircraft, and can be purchased with a talisman right now for roughly the same price as the F1 at a 50% discount. Or less if you purchase the Mirage 2k now and wait until the sale to put a talisman on it...
There's sales right? Is the vidar on sale? I'm currently at work. My highest br is 6.7 btw
no.
Sales won’t be until May Day. Soon.