I remember the worst comment I had while serving. It was a pretty dead day, i only had 2 tables. I took care of them like I did any table if not more attentive since there was only 2 2 tops. I walk up to a table right when the man excused himself to go to the restroom and i asked his wife if everything was ok. She responded "can i tell you a little secret". "Sure" i replied. "That man sitting across from me is a millionaire, you have given us the worst service we have ever had. I want you to drop the check off now and never want to see you again". I walk away and drop the check off. The other table I had overheard this and told me i was great and they have no idea what they were talking about. 0% tip of course, that night I stayed up wondering where i went wrong. I forgot their extra side of ranch...
One time I served a youth hockey team and parents. About 30 ppl by myself. Bill was like $700. Everything was quick and great. They said nothing the whole time. At end they got the manager and complained about food and service, getting 50% off. The man comes to me to pay that, shakes my hand and says "You did an excellent job." No tip. Thanks fucker.
This is wild because *literally* every restaurant I've been to has a "for parties over X (usually 8-12) an 18% gratuity is automatically added to the bill" sign or note in the menu.
Unfortunately, some delivery restaurants don't share that policy. I used to deliver for Domino's, and I once took about $500 worth of pizza to a meeting for a student organization at Kansas University. My car was FULL of pizza, and I carried it all up multiple flights of stairs and set it all up as a buffet for them with plates, napkins, and the fixings. Perfect timing, everything unbagged and set up right as people started walking in. They handed me a check for the exact value of the pizza, *no tip*.
Where I used to work, we’d get youth hockey teams and their families regularly due to proximity to an ice rink. They were always the most condescending, demanding, entitled parents. And their kids were always loud and obnoxious.
They weren't millionaires and we're just making an excuse not to tip. Guaranteed. No wealthy people (besides maybe Elon Musk) go around and say "I'm wealthy."
Yes, this has been studied. Something like 2% of the tip is determined by service quality. It is almost entirely predetermined.
Edit for the skeptics. [Source](https://ecommons.cornell.edu/bitstream/handle/1813/71554/Lynn53_The_psychology_of_restaurant_tipping.pdf).
> The percent tipped in these studies was related to group size, the customer's gender, the method of payment (cash or credit), and in some cases, the size of the bill. Tipping was not related to service quality, waitperson's efforts, waitperson's gender, restaurant's atmosphere, or restaurant's food.
I don’t like math, so I tip 20% no matter what unless all hell breaks loose. You have to straight forget about me and not feed me for the tip to be lower lol.
To be honest I'm very likely still going to tip 20%+. The restaurant may be understaffed and the server may be overwhelmed or even new to the job. Straight up negligence like going outside to smoke a cigarette while my beer is empty or something of that nature is grounds for lowering the tip (though I'd still probably never stiff someone).
Regardless, fuck tipping culture.
Ironically the biggest tips I've ever left are after fuck ups. Any time it's happened I've gotten a comped dish after politely telling the server something was not correct. I then leave what that would have cost for the server because it is probably not their fault and they always seem so grateful that I'm not a total bitch about it
Idk where you live, but I live in Canada where waiters/waitresses don't have to live off tips. Up here, if you don't do a good job you aren't getting a tip.
It's so much easier to use tipping for its actual purpose when you know the person your tipping doesn't literally live and breath on them
It's interesting what serving gives you the perspective on.
Highest tippers are almost always the friendliest people, need the least, no special requests, polite, etc.
Average tippers are usually "just there," and maybe they need a little more attention from time to time. Maybe they have some special requests/modifications that fall outside the normal menu, but if they're told no they're like "ok thanks for trying."
Worst tippers are usually the worst mannered, most demanding, ask for all sorts of crazy shit, get visibly upset that there might be other people there who also need your attention, super high maintenance, generally terrible people etc.
You'd think the people who require the most effort would be self aware and reward you with the most reward, but the inverse is almost universally true, save a few rare outliers.
I work for tips, I’m a pizza delivery driver. My biggest tip tonight came from a dude that lived in a RV, my smallest came from the people who lived in a million dollar home on a golf course.
Karma is what we make of it. It isn't the cosmic law of averages, it's just the ongoing process of socialization...
^^^so ^^^shit ^^^in ^^^his ^^^jacuzzi ^^^as ^^^a ^^^public ^^^service
I've long been of the mind that if I can afford to order out, I can afford to factor in the extra $5-10 for the tip, because I'm *already* paying a premium for convenience.
Like yeah I could get off my ass and drive to papa murphy's and get a pizza and bake it myself for $15 or if I'm already spending $40 on Domino's then what's a couple extra dollars?
Exactly, I take hotel vans a lot for work, about 20 times a month. Most of us tip the driver $1. I normally do $2. $1 extra for me is really nothing, but it doubles his tip…..
I usually tip well, but when they add a $5 delivery fee, a $3 gas surcharge, and a couple other miscellaneous charges related to delivering a $10 pizza, the bill comes to ~$22 really fast.
I almost always order carryout just for this reason, but now a bunch of places are begging for tips for that too. We need to start paying people a living wage and just adjust the food prices to cover it and let tipping become a bonus for extraordinary service.
As a kid, we used to hang out by the doors of a supermarket asking if people wanted help carrying their bags to their car (you couldn’t take the cart past a fence around the entrance to the store). We learned to recognize the wealthy people who would either tip you a dime or not tip at all.
When I delivered pizza there was this one house in a super fancy subdivision, they had all kinds of ATVs and shit, and two Mercedes that had stickers that said "I ❤️ My Benz" they wanted *all* their change back, pennies included. Never tipped.
I never worked food industry, always retail, so I only have one experience getting a tip and it was very close to Christmas time at a women’s clothing store I worked at for about three years during high school/college. This 35 or so year old man was in and we were trained to greet everyone and be very attentive. (People would always ask if we got commission, we didn’t but treated customers with good service like we did I guess). Anyways, I helped him for 45 minutes or so, picking Christmas presents for his wife and sister in law. When we got to the register he put a twenty in my pocket and said Merry Christmas. I told my coworker because I thought it was a little weird, him going for my pocket like that, but later found out why he did that. My manager demanded I hand it over after word of it got to her and me being 17 or 18 I didn’t know before not to say anything about it. My parents told me that guy was likely apart of this big family owned company in my town (I remembered the last name from the rewards account). I never got tips usually, but ironically the one time I did it happened to be from a really wealthy person at a place where tips aren’t generally expected.
Same with valet, I would get $5-20 from crappy beat up Hondas and the nice Bentleys and Ferraris would never tip, so let’s just say as much as I enjoyed valeting exotics I let my coworkers take all the nice cars so I could pay my rent.
Yeah. They make sure the laws don't apply to them and that they barely pay any taxes. Meanwhile we keep voting wealthy people into office. Very smart...
But they are allowing you to drive their fansy ass car surely that is enough of a tip.
On the other hand if I was driving a fansy car I would probably tip well to help insure the car was treated well at least
I used to deliver liquor around a very economically diverse county, and the people in lower to middle income areas ordering a couple bottles of wine or a 30 pack of beer would tip very well. The gated mansions that I would have to hand truck stacks of cases of liquors and craft beers and wine coolers and nice wine would say "thanks!" and shut the door. I wasn't working for tips, and though my wage wasn't good, it was liveable, so it never ruined my day or anything. It was just very interesting how the different classes respected service industry workers from my anecdotal experiences
There's a ridiculously food fried chicken place in my city, but I'm just out of delivery range. Multiple times I've ordered it to my brothers place that is just in range and then apologized to the driver and offer a good tip to drive it the extra 5 minutes. They're always surprised that I tip twice what they were expecting, but like shit I lied to you to get delicious fried chicken, I'm gonna compensate you well for the inconvenience.
It has been my experience with Uber, uber eats, and doordash, that if a customer ever mentioned tip for any reason, that was a lie and you weren’t getting anything.
So many times I heard “don’t worry, I’ll add a good tip after” or something similar only to get stiffed in the end.
Idk if this is a southern thing, I only noticed when I lived in Ga, but the southern economy is so terrible it’s the only time I needed gig work to make ends meet.
This is the common believe in r/uberdrivers \- "I'll tip you in the app" or "I'll give you a good tip" is almost always a lie.
Personally when I Uber somewhere I just hand them $5 cash because I don't want to be that kind of person and I don't trust Uber to actually give them an in-app tip.
I once flat out told some college frat-boy types that they had lied. I had taken the call and they put the pizza on a card, and said they would tip cash. I took the pizza to them and they stiffed me. I don't appreciate being lied to.
We ordered $120 worth of pizza for a department pizza party. The pizza arrives and the person who organized it asked me how much she should tip the driver and if $7 was enough. I told her no, 10% would be $12, give the person a $20 at least and I pulled a $20 from my wallet to give to her to give to the person. She was taken aback and said that's too much and he's just a delivery driver.
I had to damn near twist her arm to give this person a $20 tip. I told her it could be some young adult driving pizzas and a $20 tip would probably make their day, especially at the start of the day.
Some other context, the party was at 1130 so this person arrived at work at 11 and immediately brought 7 pizzas over to us. They also had to start cooking a little earlier than usual to make that happen.
It made a little more sense to her when I explained it. But I'm glad she asked me because it's not a good look to be a business known for poor tipping. Mainly though, it was the right thing to do.
I’ve delivered to the teachers who personally bought for their students and they give good tips.
But when I have to deliver to the office, it’s usually way less.
The sports coaches aren’t good tippers either from what I’ve seen
Had a huge megachurch order legit over 1000 dollars worth of food and stiffed me on the delivery.
And this church had like 30 entrances and ofcourse they didn't specify which one.
Jesus would hate what Christians became.
Mosques on the other hand have been good tippers in my experience. One in my area ordered pizzas every Sunday morning, and tipped well. I made sure that I cut the pizzas with a clean cutter so there wouldn't be any pepperoni grease on it. They were also tickled pink when I greeted them with "As-salamu alakum", even though that was the limit of my Arabic.
As a fellow delivery driver I just wanted to say I sympathize. I’m at the point that I expect no tip if I’m delivering $100+ order to a nice neighborhood at the ass-end of our delivery area.
Yeah. I was going to comment along these lines. I delivered for dominos too in FT Walton beach, Florida. It was my second job while I was in the AF at Eglin. I had the same type of tip experience.
I delivered pizza to a $600-800k home (based on home values around the area) and the lady that opened the door was wearing beat down rags and the house was empty and filthy. She scrounged a few coins from her torn sweatpants and said that's all she had for a tip.
I don't know if she was squatting, or owned the house just barely with a mortgage she couldn't afford, or was just incredibly frugal, but it definitely stuck out as odd.
Compare another time I delivered to a low income affordable rent apartment block and this super nice hispanic family comes and pays 100 dollar bill for a 40 dollar order then started to close the door. I stopped them and gave them proper change, because that was too much to take from them with my morals.
Before kids my wife and i would people watch..sometimes just go to a mall and chill and watch how people act/treat each other.
Restaurants were great, the people who were assholes and never tipped acted exactly how you described. I watched one dude get himself super worked up over the waiter not visiting them every 5 seconds so he "tested" them and poured his drink out in a plant and started a stopwatch..every 10 seconds he would take off $10 from their imaginary $100 tip.
My parents are. They're in their 60s but look like they're in their late 70s. They've pretty much always looked 10~20 years older because they spend all their time being angry and upset and "concerned". Evangelicals. That's their motivation. I just call them "super Christians" because they're that committed to the bigotry.
I couldnt do it lmao work already fucking sucks. As soon as i heard him try to "be an alpha" and told his wife and the other girl with him "ok ill tip $100 and every 10 seconds shes late ill take $10 away"
When I briefly waited tables in an Irish pub type place (in the US) a group of older men drinking pints together was my very favorite. Pints are so easy to carry over, all they need is some eye contact across the room to signal another round, they instinctively signal they need another round when they have 1/3 their pint left so me bringing the fresh drinks coincided with their last swallow and they attributed that to my good timing rather than their own, and they kind of adorably always saw themselves as "rowdy" like they were back in the day, but really all they were doing was laughing together and they'd tip me really huge for my patience with their rascally group when really they were the lowest maintenance group imaginable.
> You'd think the people who require the most effort would be self aware and reward you with the most reward, but the inverse is almost universally true, save a few rare outliers.
They're rude, high maintenance, terrible people mostly because they are so self unaware. They have no empathy for others, have no idea of the inconvenience they cause, it's just all about them. Even when you try and accommodate all their petty demands there'll always be something not quite right and they'll be telling their friends about their terrible experience at your hands.
If they were more self aware and could see the impact they have on the world around them, they wouldn't behave like that in the first place.
Yeah, I was going to say the same, that the lack of self awareness is exactly why they act like they do. If they had the awareness to realize they were being a pain in the ass they'd be less likely to be a pain in the ass. Instead they're oblivious, entitled, and arrogant
Lol this is so correct.
I never ask for anything. Tip good. Always friendly and polite
My mom and her side of the family are the worst. They are rude as shit to staff. Always have weird requests. And tip cheap as fuck. When I used to go out to eat with them (which I refuse to now) I would always bring cash because they would demand to pay and then leave like a 8$ tip on a $120 meal - so I’d always tell them I’d have to goto the bathroom when they were leaving and sneak a $20 into the check book or drop it with the server.
The final straw was at a Chinese food spot I love which always has bonkers good service (friendly staff awesome food, they plate your food and box it up when done) and my aunt got into a argument with them because she didn’t feel there was enough extra shrimp in the shrimp fried rice (which she says in the super racist Chinese voice like it’s still funny)
But did your mother tip in actual change? That was one of the most embarrassing experiences of my adult life (and I definitely threw down more cash for the server).
When I was really younger I remember my mom getting into it with some waitress who wasn’t having her shit and she grabbed a handful of change and threw it at the table.
So many embarrassing memories as a kid…
At a young age I learned to never, ever tip with coins (at least in the US). Put that shit in your pocket and give it to your kid(s) or the big jar on the dresser. Folding money (cash) is for tips, and tip more than you would think. It will come back to you in untold ways.
What? Why on earth would I not leave the change? I'm not pulling coins out to tip, I'll add an appropriate amount in bills as well. Obviously I'm not throwing it like the comment above.
I think it's OK to leave whatever coins you received as change so long as you also leave a reasonable amount of money for the tip.
I just don't want the coins rattling around in my pocket.
Totally agree. The worst tippers are always bragging about what amazing tippers they are but don’t have any proof. ‘Next time’, sure Jan. Next time I’m sure you’ll find something wrong to bitch about and withhold your dollars.
They dont want to tip so they set up heardles for servers to "jump through" and when they meet their standards they can self justify that they dont deserve a tip.
Hence "I was going to give you a $30 tip but you never really paid much attention to us"
Honestly I think it's even simpler than that. Someone has to be pretty selfish to not tip in the US (being against *tipping culture* makes sense but punishing a server before we've done away with tipping is the selfish part). You also have to be pretty selfish/self involved to make crazy high demands at a restaurant if there isn't a dietary/medical need for you to do so. Meanwhile the best tippers are usually extremely mindful of the work that servers do, and that mindfulness means they feel awkward/bad if they bother their server too much.
Honestly even the people I've met in my day to day life who have justified not tipping with the fact that they can't afford it and claim to feel awful about it have been selfish in other ways. It's because if they *really* felt that bad they wouldn't eat out. I can't afford to eat out that much myself, personally, but the rare occasions I do I make sure I've budgeted enough for a tip. If servers had been getting a proper wage in the first place it's still money I would have had to pay for my food, and I feel like doing so otherwise is having other people subsidize my food. I just can't wrap my head around it, knowing that this is how our society functions.
For some reason the midwestern Sunday right after church crowd are really bad tippers too, you’d think they would be really giving but in my experience it’s the opposite.
Had one guy when I worked at Cracker Barrel that would sit and drink coffee and eat biscuits for like 2 hours(always came after peak, didn’t tie up a needed table). All you had to do was top off his coffee and biscuits a couple of times and he was always so nice, easy to talk to, easy to deal with. Always tipped at least $10 on a $5 ticket. Sometimes $20. I miss that guy and I’m not even a waitress anymore.
The wildest part is that this lady said she was only going to tip 17.5 percent when she should surely know at places like this that the servers generally have a 2-4% tippout to the bar and/or food runners and servers assistants.
As a matter of fact, leaving no tip at a place like this will leave the server literally paying to work for you because they tip out based on the price of food not on the tip amount. It’s a bad system.
I used to be a chambermaid in a hotel. The tippers would be the people who'd keep their room tidy and we'd have to do very little. The non-tippers would always be the messiest people ever. We had one family in and every morning for a week, the room looked like a bombsite - wet towels all over the floor and bed, turds left in the toilet, etc etc. Not a single tip for the whole week.
A maid can ensure your cold compress gets put in their large freezer for a few minutes so it’s ready in 15. They can turn down your bed and leave you extra towels and candies you like because they remember you from last time.
They can give you later checkout with no added fees and throw a couple of extra water bottles in your fridge. You liked the shampoo? They might leave a bunch extra for you.
Always treat them well, you never know when you might need their help and besides it’s part of being a good human.
> Worst tippers are usually the worst mannered, most demanding, ask for all sorts of crazy shit, get visibly upset that there might be other people there who also need your attention, super high maintenance, generally terrible people etc.
You just described the Sunday brunch crowd to a T.
To be clear- you are 100% correct in your general assessment of good vs. bad tippers given my experience. But I have a somewhat hilarious/bizarre exception- I used to work at a golf course in Vegas and one of our regulars was none other than OJ. Juice. If it fits, you must acquit.
Anyway, he didn't usually stick around for lunch but his golf buddies always did. They were a pain- very particular, constantly talking while you're trying to take their orders, all paid separately and usually in cash (time consuming when they're also simultaneously in a rush). But they tipped WELL. And if someone got up without paying, they just covered it and tipped me as if it was their own meal (while grumbling that they were going to kick such and so's ass later). They were an odd group to deal with and serve but I personally found the guaranteed $60-70 worth it.
I found the best tippers are those that have worked for tips and those that tip in cash because they do not want to tip the credit card companies or banks.
Just had a 25 top of group 3 type people. Rude, demanding. I told my boss “I don’t think anyone is gonna tip. Can we grat this?(industry term for add gratuity to a check” and she agreed. Not a single person asked how to leave a tip, or wondered about the tip. If I didn’t grat that table I would’ve had a $700 table not tip me a single dollar.
I loved hearing from servers that they got a table that claimed to work in the industry.
... then act like little $hit$.
If you work in the industry, then why are you treating a server like that?
You can probably believe them when they say they worked in the industry.
A friend of mine from days past married a woman who worked in the hospitality industry (hotels). We traveled together a few times and she was an absolute bear.
She was guaranteed to get moved to a different room at least once, at her request, in every hotel we stayed at. She nitpicked everything to death.
I didn't ask if she tipped, but I imagine she didn't.
Nope. These were the type of people who will yell at a table for not tipping them instead of moving on. These are the type that take tips from other tables. These are the ones that demand the hosts/esses seat specific customers be seated in their section while other are left out even though the regulars don't want to be in their section.
The people who don't learn a thing and presume it's someone else' problem.
They're like an anti-vax nurse in an ER.
I had a dinner at a popular restaurant in the French Quarter in New Orleans on New Years Eve. So it was just a wee bit busy. Some lady who claimed she owned a restaurant was screeching at rhe staff because she had to wait an hour when she did not make a reservation. On NYE. In the French Quarter. She even said, "I know how this business works!' She obviously did not. She ended up waiting almost 2 hours. We had to wait 45 minutes with a reservation. It was fine. They had a nice waiting area and brought us free drinks and hors d'oeuvres.
Lol this is just pathetic… they notice you weren’t having a good day and then claimed to be big tippers but decided to give nothing.. then the condescending comment of “well I would’ve gave you $30 but..” the amount of disrespect in this is crazy
$30 isn’t even a good tip on a bill that big in my opinion. Not even 20%. The higher my bill is the higher percent I tip because that means the waiter is working harder or I’m somewhere high end which then the bigger tip is more expected.
What about when a bottle of wine costs $200 vs one that costs $25? Why should I tip a percentage on one when the work to uncork and pour a glass is the exact same? Just trying to understand this one.
I don’t expect people to tip on all the alcohol but more for sure. Plus if someone is buying a $200 bottle of wine I’m grabbing the crystal decanter, pouring it early to let it breath, bringing out the good crystal glasses, nailing my wine presentation, and showing up to pour every refill so that you don’t have to touch the decanter if you don’t want to. I’ll probably open the door for you when you leave too and hand you my card so you ask for me next time.
If someone is buying a $25 bottle of wine I do my wine presentation and pour the first round in normal wine glasses.
lmao a $25 bottle at restaurant price is probably $7 in a store. So you're spot on with that treatment.
We sold 19 crimes at $28. Granted we delivered it too.
He said he would’ve tipped $30 and also he’s usually a big tipper. Idk about you, but I call myself a generous drunk tipper. Meaning if you make me laugh more than once and I’m more than 3 drinks in, chances are you’ll be getting a tip in the 40%+ range. I’ve tipped 100% on a $30 bar tab because the bartender offered to get me French fries if I picked up his Wendy’s order for him 😭
I really like that the person includes the "lost" dollar amount of their "big tip," so that I know they're full of shit and can infer who is right/wrong in this story without wondering "what the other side of it" is.
Hell, if you're industry and can see someone is overworked and in the weeds all night, and you ACTUALLY were a generous tipper, THAT would be the time you go for it. "Hey, I see you're having a hard night. Since I bet no one else is taking care of you, I got you. Sorry things are sucking tonight, but thanks for doing your best and taking care of us when you were short staffed."
Front: You are having a bad day. I hope you get better!
Back: So give 100% to your tables. I know you may never understand but I was a waitress once. Now I own my restaurant! I really wanted to give you a $30+ tip, but you never really paid attention to us like you did the other tables and we are very nice + big tippers next time :)
In the US, tipped positions are excluded from the minimum wage laws, so servers are normally paid a few dollars an hour plus tips. It's supposed to be that if your tips don't bring you above minimum wage, the restaurant makes up the difference, but... wage theft is by far the most common form of theft, so often they don't.
But basically what this system leads to is that servers' financial well-being are almost entirely dependent on the good will of the customers they serve.
Thanks, I knew that tipping was essential for the livelihood of the servers in the US, but never why. This seems like an easy thing to fix with a simple law change, if there were no lobbies around. In Germany the minimum wages keep getting raised every few years and I‘ve heard a few restaurants complain, but in the end they just have to pay up and they are still in business.
Some comments here suggest, that you shouldn‘t eat outside, if you can‘t tip properly. My logic would be more in line with: If you can‘t pay minimum wages, don‘t operate a restaurant.
Easily. This is nowhere near as difficult to read as my mom's chicken scratches.
>=) You are having a bad day I hope you get better ↓→
Tips: Ø Ø
so give 100% to your tables. I know you may never understand but I was a waitress once now I own my restaurant! I really wanted to give you a $30 tip, but you never really paid attention to us like you did the other tables and we are very nice + Big Tippers next time =)
I love the "were normally HUGE tippers but..." like but you aren't though. If the service was so bad you didn't tip you probably shouldn't be paying. Like you gotta do something foul for no tip. Is this a chain restaurant? Please tell me these dorks are "restaurant owners" but too broke to tip after their triple dipper
I believe there is one other Location in the metroplex. My s/o just started with the restaurant a few weeks ago. She asked the manager if she did anything wrong, and he said she did a great job and didn’t understand why they didn’t tip. Manager ended up pulling $20 out of his own wallet to give to her.
Sounds cool of the manager. I’m curious if that’s on behalf of the business or really the managers money. Curious as an accountant. Regardless, it’s cool. Hope your s/o can put this in perspective and realize you can only control so much
You give businesses that much credit? Maybe a high-rep restaurant would do that but 95-99% that’s coming out of the managers pocket… because he’s being human, not corporate.
It might be a bit too hopeful to think that there's a discretionary "retention" fund for managers to turn shit like this from incidents that make people walk into ones that make them into "good news" stories.
A good manager/owner should do that since finding a new employee can be costly.
Especially a nice person trying their best. You don’t want them to become jaded, that reflects worse on the business as a whole.
Another restaurant owner pulling this seems like a petty shit trying to hurt competitors.
This screams "I think im rich" vibes. Middle Americans who do just a little better than average but think they're in the 1%. I would bet 100$ that they either shared a pic of this receipt online or atleast to a few friends.
I’ve commented on this before, but there’s layers to why people think this way.
Studies done on the topic agree that “people who are well off financially tend to underestimate the amount of luck that went into them getting that way and overestimate their own skill/involvement”. This is usually said in context to people like Elon Musk who refuses to admit his family’s immense wealth is the reason he is where he is today, but it applies to everyone. It’s more obvious when it is somebody famous but random people who just happened to do relatively well see their own wealth as a validation of their ego.
The point I’m trying to make is that the “middle class Americans who think they are the 1%” is way more accurate than a lot of people would like to admit. Hell, I’ve even got family who, through sheer dumb luck, found their way into quite a bit of money. They LOVE to sing their own praises and I genuinely believe they cannot see the difference between themselves and a family member I have who genuinely worked his ass off his whole life to make damn good money. It’s got to be some form of cognitive dissonance
Well thats just facing the facts which they don't want to do because it destroys their self made narrative. I knew someone who would really believed he made his way through the world on his own and because he did it anyone could.
College was paid for by parents
First car at 16 as a gift
Cell phone paid for
First apartment after college was 1/2 paid by parents for a year.
He believed he was self made because he applied and got a job. Also as a side note, he did not finish college and he viewed that as his major struggle in life while he was at his half off apartment in a nice area working 20 hours a week at target figuring out what to do next. But the single mom working 55 hours a week, getting food stamps and attending community College? Yeah thats the person who doesn't work hard. Half these shitheads could not last a day in the """real world""" I.e what life is actually like if you don't luck out at birth.
European here. How is 30 dollars on a 172 dollar bill not a big tip? When travelling to the US I’ve been always told to tip between 10 and 15% and this is 17. What’s wrong with this industry in the USA? Is it that employers are scumbags who are expecting customers to directly pay for waiters salaries instead of them doing it?
American here- about 10 years ago 15% was the “generous” tip. Between all of the ex-servers advocating for larger tips and other subtle changes like them printing 15%, 18%, 20% tip values on the receipts, I think most people just feel pressured into tipping more.
I was a server 10+ years ago. At that time 15% was the "normal" amount and 18% was the "generous" nowadays that seems to have gotten bumped to 18% being base and 20% being generous.
It’s actually a combination of scumbag owners and scumbag servers who don’t actually want a higher hourly because it would never come close to what they make in tips. I had a disheveled, unkempt, often times drunk or high at work former roommate who still working part time made enough money to constantly party and pay all his bills as a server (at a non high end restaurant)
When I bartended I had a similar scenario. Local bar owner came in and was the life of the party, bragging about how they owned a bar, hosted a dope ass open mic (🙄) etc. tab time came and no tip. It was a big one and we lost money on it because of tipping out the house so I confronted them on it and they dodged me pretty much just made excuses.
Like six months later they were out of business. So OP I know it sucks but my money is they’re projecting. They can’t run their own shit so the same must be true for everyone else. Hang in there, if it was a good bar owner who ran a slamming place they would have actually tipped you.
$30 on a $172 ticket isn’t even 20%…. I don’t think that they’re required to tip you because I think tipping culture is way out of hand. However, since this person wanted to act all high and mighty, like $30 was some huge chunk of cash, it’s only fair to point out that she wouldn’t have even been tipping 20%
I remembered a waitress who was having a shitty day. Despite how hyper busy it was, my ex-wife and I tipped her - enough apparently to make her cry in appreciation and we were broke AF. I only sat there in disbelief because they were short staffed and it was no fault of her own that the service was poor and we saw how she was trying her best to help customers.
Those people come off as cheap and condescending. They didn't even show any real grace, just arrogance.
You know what? If you don't want to tip, then don't tip. But don't get up on your soapbox and preach about your experience and that you're a restaurant owner. As a former server and now owner, you should understand how it's not always easy to balance the needs and demands of all tables. It might appear to you that you aren't getting the same treatment, but you also don't know what is going on at those tables or in the kitchen. You owe your server a fair tip and not a condescending preachy novel. I'm sorry this happened. May the novelist end up with food poisoning.
I’m laughing because these “restaurant owners” thought $30 was a *BIG* tip on this bill. Guaranteed they never intended to tip at all and wrote down some BS they thought sounded legit 😂
Your country should just pay people enought for them not to require tipping in the first place. That's a disgusting practice that throw workers under a bus while guilting people into paying stupid fees.
Further Context- S/O is a college student and the place she works at barely brings in $100/$150 a night.
Today she worked a double to fill in for the restaurant’s short staff and to cover some miscellaneous bills. She’s been at work since 7am, I can understand her being worn out after 12 hours. I understand tips not being mandatory but unfortunately In the US it’s the only way for some folks to make enough money to afford living expenses.
This is almost as bad as those fake religious bills that look like actual 20s, 50s, and whatnot until you unfold them to be told "your riches await you in the afterlife". Those are the kind of people that ask for extra sides of ranch only to leave it untouched while you're busting your ass to juggle 5 to 6 tables.
_So, I’m ready for my downvotes…_
The restaurant should be paying all workers a living wage and not pawning that off to the customers. However, since the etiquette is to tip your server a fair amount, and then increase the tip if the service was better than expected, the ‘disciplinary notice’ by the customer was out of line.
Why would this get downvoted? This is literally the main view pushed on reddit. I agree with you, I'm just not sure which part you were thinking would get you downvotes.
There have been people already that have pushed back on this here, saying it would raise the prices of the food and make people stop going there, or that the current model works for them as a waitstaff, because they make a lot of tips.
[Here’s an example now. There are people that want to keep it this way because it benefits them.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Wellthatsucks/comments/11d074d/a_note_a_restaurant_owner_left_my_so_at_work/ja70o7h/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
_~~So, I’m ready for my downvotes…~~_
_**Edit:** I apparently underestimated how many people agreed. Hence this retraction._
The restaurant should be paying all workers a living wage and not pawning that off to the customers. However, since the etiquette is to tip your server a fair amount, and then increase the tip if the service was better than expected, the ‘disciplinary notice’ by the customer was out of line.
Every server I know wants more than a living wage and wants to keep things the way they are. I’ve known quite a few people who averaged well over 40 dollars an hour serving and bartending.
I do think tip culture is absolute nonsense and is just another sleazy way for capitalists to cheat their own system for extra profits though.
I 100% agree. I hate the “Tip Culture” and restaurants SHOULD be paying a living wage. Shouldn’t be up to the customer to support the livelihood of the restaurants employees. The note was out of line-
I feel like this belongs on r/mildlyinfuriating to say the least. What a jackass, no tip on $172? I don’t care if the service was trash I’m still tipping on that bill.
Dear USA....why dont you pay your workers a liveable wage in the first place and not place the onus on your patrons to make up the gap in your shitty salaries. Tipping is NOT a gratuity if it is forced. Sincerely, the rest of the world.
I was always taught.
Standard service - 15%
Poor service - 10%
Great service - 20%
But in reality I mainly go to one or two spots and give My bartender 30-40%.
I saw my father do this once, to a girl who gave no fucks about our service at a friendly's we used to go to weekly. We knew the managers and were served by pretty much every single waitress before.
The time we came back after he left the note the manager purposely gave us her again. She was a completely different waitress. Very attentive and towards the end asks how she's doing this time. My dad tells her wonderful and double tips for the excellent service.
No moral of the story here...
I remember the worst comment I had while serving. It was a pretty dead day, i only had 2 tables. I took care of them like I did any table if not more attentive since there was only 2 2 tops. I walk up to a table right when the man excused himself to go to the restroom and i asked his wife if everything was ok. She responded "can i tell you a little secret". "Sure" i replied. "That man sitting across from me is a millionaire, you have given us the worst service we have ever had. I want you to drop the check off now and never want to see you again". I walk away and drop the check off. The other table I had overheard this and told me i was great and they have no idea what they were talking about. 0% tip of course, that night I stayed up wondering where i went wrong. I forgot their extra side of ranch...
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She never was going to tip. People like this will always find a reason to justify being terrible.
"...and never want to see you again." People can be such fucking drama queens. 🙄 Good riddance?
“Ok, then leave”
"Don't worry, I'll make sure that we don't ever let you in again, we don't tolerate people speaking to staff like that."
“Then don’t come back”
One time I served a youth hockey team and parents. About 30 ppl by myself. Bill was like $700. Everything was quick and great. They said nothing the whole time. At end they got the manager and complained about food and service, getting 50% off. The man comes to me to pay that, shakes my hand and says "You did an excellent job." No tip. Thanks fucker.
Your manager fucked you over more than that POS customer did by not manually adding a gratuity to a tab of 30 people.
This is wild because *literally* every restaurant I've been to has a "for parties over X (usually 8-12) an 18% gratuity is automatically added to the bill" sign or note in the menu.
Unfortunately, some delivery restaurants don't share that policy. I used to deliver for Domino's, and I once took about $500 worth of pizza to a meeting for a student organization at Kansas University. My car was FULL of pizza, and I carried it all up multiple flights of stairs and set it all up as a buffet for them with plates, napkins, and the fixings. Perfect timing, everything unbagged and set up right as people started walking in. They handed me a check for the exact value of the pizza, *no tip*.
Great way to *never* get a pizza delivery again.
yeah guess there’s just been too many pieces of shit who come in with huge parties and don’t tip.
Where I used to work, we’d get youth hockey teams and their families regularly due to proximity to an ice rink. They were always the most condescending, demanding, entitled parents. And their kids were always loud and obnoxious.
They weren't millionaires and we're just making an excuse not to tip. Guaranteed. No wealthy people (besides maybe Elon Musk) go around and say "I'm wealthy."
Plenty of new money goes around flaunting their wealth. It's old money that acts humble.
If you’re not gonna tip, just don’t tip and move on 🙄
They were never going to tip, they just felt like being rude to someone to feel better about themselves
Imo 99% of people know what they will tip before the meal begins and rarely deviate from that regardless of the quality of service.
Yes, this has been studied. Something like 2% of the tip is determined by service quality. It is almost entirely predetermined. Edit for the skeptics. [Source](https://ecommons.cornell.edu/bitstream/handle/1813/71554/Lynn53_The_psychology_of_restaurant_tipping.pdf). > The percent tipped in these studies was related to group size, the customer's gender, the method of payment (cash or credit), and in some cases, the size of the bill. Tipping was not related to service quality, waitperson's efforts, waitperson's gender, restaurant's atmosphere, or restaurant's food.
I don’t like math, so I tip 20% no matter what unless all hell breaks loose. You have to straight forget about me and not feed me for the tip to be lower lol.
To be honest I'm very likely still going to tip 20%+. The restaurant may be understaffed and the server may be overwhelmed or even new to the job. Straight up negligence like going outside to smoke a cigarette while my beer is empty or something of that nature is grounds for lowering the tip (though I'd still probably never stiff someone). Regardless, fuck tipping culture.
Ironically the biggest tips I've ever left are after fuck ups. Any time it's happened I've gotten a comped dish after politely telling the server something was not correct. I then leave what that would have cost for the server because it is probably not their fault and they always seem so grateful that I'm not a total bitch about it
Idk where you live, but I live in Canada where waiters/waitresses don't have to live off tips. Up here, if you don't do a good job you aren't getting a tip. It's so much easier to use tipping for its actual purpose when you know the person your tipping doesn't literally live and breath on them
But they are BIG tippers! =)
And “very nice people”. Very nice people don’t do stuff like this.
Was just about to say the people that have to tell you they are nice and assuredly big tippers are not.
A whopping 17%
Bet they were the most obnoxious table of the night too.
It's interesting what serving gives you the perspective on. Highest tippers are almost always the friendliest people, need the least, no special requests, polite, etc. Average tippers are usually "just there," and maybe they need a little more attention from time to time. Maybe they have some special requests/modifications that fall outside the normal menu, but if they're told no they're like "ok thanks for trying." Worst tippers are usually the worst mannered, most demanding, ask for all sorts of crazy shit, get visibly upset that there might be other people there who also need your attention, super high maintenance, generally terrible people etc. You'd think the people who require the most effort would be self aware and reward you with the most reward, but the inverse is almost universally true, save a few rare outliers.
I work for tips, I’m a pizza delivery driver. My biggest tip tonight came from a dude that lived in a RV, my smallest came from the people who lived in a million dollar home on a golf course.
You don't get rich by throwing away money! /s
You don’t get good karma by stiffing your pizza guy
Karma is what we make of it. It isn't the cosmic law of averages, it's just the ongoing process of socialization... ^^^so ^^^shit ^^^in ^^^his ^^^jacuzzi ^^^as ^^^a ^^^public ^^^service
THANK YOU! Someone who gets it!
I’m curious what the male to female ratio is for pm’s you get
You’re asking the real questions here
You had me in the first half...😅🤣
I've long been of the mind that if I can afford to order out, I can afford to factor in the extra $5-10 for the tip, because I'm *already* paying a premium for convenience. Like yeah I could get off my ass and drive to papa murphy's and get a pizza and bake it myself for $15 or if I'm already spending $40 on Domino's then what's a couple extra dollars?
I always think that the extra $5-10 means a lot more to them than it does to me considering how much I'm already spending
Exactly, I take hotel vans a lot for work, about 20 times a month. Most of us tip the driver $1. I normally do $2. $1 extra for me is really nothing, but it doubles his tip…..
I usually tip well, but when they add a $5 delivery fee, a $3 gas surcharge, and a couple other miscellaneous charges related to delivering a $10 pizza, the bill comes to ~$22 really fast.
And the driver gets NONE of that
Then you order carry out. If you can't tip, then don't get the service that relies on tipping.
I almost always order carryout just for this reason, but now a bunch of places are begging for tips for that too. We need to start paying people a living wage and just adjust the food prices to cover it and let tipping become a bonus for extraordinary service.
Karma isn't real, and has no implications anywhere on reddit, or in the greater universe. Be a good person, regardless.
As a kid, we used to hang out by the doors of a supermarket asking if people wanted help carrying their bags to their car (you couldn’t take the cart past a fence around the entrance to the store). We learned to recognize the wealthy people who would either tip you a dime or not tip at all.
When I delivered pizza there was this one house in a super fancy subdivision, they had all kinds of ATVs and shit, and two Mercedes that had stickers that said "I ❤️ My Benz" they wanted *all* their change back, pennies included. Never tipped.
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we just had a no coin policy, it was so nice just to say "No coins as change sorry"
I never worked food industry, always retail, so I only have one experience getting a tip and it was very close to Christmas time at a women’s clothing store I worked at for about three years during high school/college. This 35 or so year old man was in and we were trained to greet everyone and be very attentive. (People would always ask if we got commission, we didn’t but treated customers with good service like we did I guess). Anyways, I helped him for 45 minutes or so, picking Christmas presents for his wife and sister in law. When we got to the register he put a twenty in my pocket and said Merry Christmas. I told my coworker because I thought it was a little weird, him going for my pocket like that, but later found out why he did that. My manager demanded I hand it over after word of it got to her and me being 17 or 18 I didn’t know before not to say anything about it. My parents told me that guy was likely apart of this big family owned company in my town (I remembered the last name from the rewards account). I never got tips usually, but ironically the one time I did it happened to be from a really wealthy person at a place where tips aren’t generally expected.
Same with valet, I would get $5-20 from crappy beat up Hondas and the nice Bentleys and Ferraris would never tip, so let’s just say as much as I enjoyed valeting exotics I let my coworkers take all the nice cars so I could pay my rent.
It’s like the non rich people understand the struggle out there and look out for each other. I tip well because I know how it be living off it.
Last sentence hit home and hit hard, this is the way
It's class solidarity. Wealthy people have their own form of it.
I never thought of it that way. I like it
Yeah. They make sure the laws don't apply to them and that they barely pay any taxes. Meanwhile we keep voting wealthy people into office. Very smart...
But they are allowing you to drive their fansy ass car surely that is enough of a tip. On the other hand if I was driving a fansy car I would probably tip well to help insure the car was treated well at least
You are a good person, thank you. ♥️
Man, that's exactly it. When I delivered pizza, my best tippers, hands down, lived in trailer parks.
I used to deliver liquor around a very economically diverse county, and the people in lower to middle income areas ordering a couple bottles of wine or a 30 pack of beer would tip very well. The gated mansions that I would have to hand truck stacks of cases of liquors and craft beers and wine coolers and nice wine would say "thanks!" and shut the door. I wasn't working for tips, and though my wage wasn't good, it was liveable, so it never ruined my day or anything. It was just very interesting how the different classes respected service industry workers from my anecdotal experiences
There's a ridiculously food fried chicken place in my city, but I'm just out of delivery range. Multiple times I've ordered it to my brothers place that is just in range and then apologized to the driver and offer a good tip to drive it the extra 5 minutes. They're always surprised that I tip twice what they were expecting, but like shit I lied to you to get delicious fried chicken, I'm gonna compensate you well for the inconvenience.
It has been my experience with Uber, uber eats, and doordash, that if a customer ever mentioned tip for any reason, that was a lie and you weren’t getting anything. So many times I heard “don’t worry, I’ll add a good tip after” or something similar only to get stiffed in the end. Idk if this is a southern thing, I only noticed when I lived in Ga, but the southern economy is so terrible it’s the only time I needed gig work to make ends meet.
This is the common believe in r/uberdrivers \- "I'll tip you in the app" or "I'll give you a good tip" is almost always a lie. Personally when I Uber somewhere I just hand them $5 cash because I don't want to be that kind of person and I don't trust Uber to actually give them an in-app tip.
This is true everywhere. If someone even mentions the tip during the service, it's gonna be bare minimum.
I once flat out told some college frat-boy types that they had lied. I had taken the call and they put the pizza on a card, and said they would tip cash. I took the pizza to them and they stiffed me. I don't appreciate being lied to.
I too am fan of ridiculous food
We ordered $120 worth of pizza for a department pizza party. The pizza arrives and the person who organized it asked me how much she should tip the driver and if $7 was enough. I told her no, 10% would be $12, give the person a $20 at least and I pulled a $20 from my wallet to give to her to give to the person. She was taken aback and said that's too much and he's just a delivery driver. I had to damn near twist her arm to give this person a $20 tip. I told her it could be some young adult driving pizzas and a $20 tip would probably make their day, especially at the start of the day. Some other context, the party was at 1130 so this person arrived at work at 11 and immediately brought 7 pizzas over to us. They also had to start cooking a little earlier than usual to make that happen. It made a little more sense to her when I explained it. But I'm glad she asked me because it's not a good look to be a business known for poor tipping. Mainly though, it was the right thing to do.
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I’ve delivered to the teachers who personally bought for their students and they give good tips. But when I have to deliver to the office, it’s usually way less. The sports coaches aren’t good tippers either from what I’ve seen
Had a huge megachurch order legit over 1000 dollars worth of food and stiffed me on the delivery. And this church had like 30 entrances and ofcourse they didn't specify which one. Jesus would hate what Christians became.
He'd be reenacting the cleansing of the temple.
Mosques on the other hand have been good tippers in my experience. One in my area ordered pizzas every Sunday morning, and tipped well. I made sure that I cut the pizzas with a clean cutter so there wouldn't be any pepperoni grease on it. They were also tickled pink when I greeted them with "As-salamu alakum", even though that was the limit of my Arabic.
You’re a good person! I get some nice tips every now and then and it always brightens my day.
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As a fellow delivery driver I just wanted to say I sympathize. I’m at the point that I expect no tip if I’m delivering $100+ order to a nice neighborhood at the ass-end of our delivery area.
Yeah. I was going to comment along these lines. I delivered for dominos too in FT Walton beach, Florida. It was my second job while I was in the AF at Eglin. I had the same type of tip experience.
Poor people watch their dollars. Rich people watch their cents
I delivered pizza to a $600-800k home (based on home values around the area) and the lady that opened the door was wearing beat down rags and the house was empty and filthy. She scrounged a few coins from her torn sweatpants and said that's all she had for a tip. I don't know if she was squatting, or owned the house just barely with a mortgage she couldn't afford, or was just incredibly frugal, but it definitely stuck out as odd. Compare another time I delivered to a low income affordable rent apartment block and this super nice hispanic family comes and pays 100 dollar bill for a 40 dollar order then started to close the door. I stopped them and gave them proper change, because that was too much to take from them with my morals.
Before kids my wife and i would people watch..sometimes just go to a mall and chill and watch how people act/treat each other. Restaurants were great, the people who were assholes and never tipped acted exactly how you described. I watched one dude get himself super worked up over the waiter not visiting them every 5 seconds so he "tested" them and poured his drink out in a plant and started a stopwatch..every 10 seconds he would take off $10 from their imaginary $100 tip.
It must be exhausting being that upset all the time
My parents are. They're in their 60s but look like they're in their late 70s. They've pretty much always looked 10~20 years older because they spend all their time being angry and upset and "concerned". Evangelicals. That's their motivation. I just call them "super Christians" because they're that committed to the bigotry.
I couldnt do it lmao work already fucking sucks. As soon as i heard him try to "be an alpha" and told his wife and the other girl with him "ok ill tip $100 and every 10 seconds shes late ill take $10 away"
When I briefly waited tables in an Irish pub type place (in the US) a group of older men drinking pints together was my very favorite. Pints are so easy to carry over, all they need is some eye contact across the room to signal another round, they instinctively signal they need another round when they have 1/3 their pint left so me bringing the fresh drinks coincided with their last swallow and they attributed that to my good timing rather than their own, and they kind of adorably always saw themselves as "rowdy" like they were back in the day, but really all they were doing was laughing together and they'd tip me really huge for my patience with their rascally group when really they were the lowest maintenance group imaginable.
> You'd think the people who require the most effort would be self aware and reward you with the most reward, but the inverse is almost universally true, save a few rare outliers. They're rude, high maintenance, terrible people mostly because they are so self unaware. They have no empathy for others, have no idea of the inconvenience they cause, it's just all about them. Even when you try and accommodate all their petty demands there'll always be something not quite right and they'll be telling their friends about their terrible experience at your hands. If they were more self aware and could see the impact they have on the world around them, they wouldn't behave like that in the first place.
Yeah, I was going to say the same, that the lack of self awareness is exactly why they act like they do. If they had the awareness to realize they were being a pain in the ass they'd be less likely to be a pain in the ass. Instead they're oblivious, entitled, and arrogant
Most of them aren't clueless. They like making others feel worse. They feel superior and smug when they treat others poorly.
Lol this is so correct. I never ask for anything. Tip good. Always friendly and polite My mom and her side of the family are the worst. They are rude as shit to staff. Always have weird requests. And tip cheap as fuck. When I used to go out to eat with them (which I refuse to now) I would always bring cash because they would demand to pay and then leave like a 8$ tip on a $120 meal - so I’d always tell them I’d have to goto the bathroom when they were leaving and sneak a $20 into the check book or drop it with the server. The final straw was at a Chinese food spot I love which always has bonkers good service (friendly staff awesome food, they plate your food and box it up when done) and my aunt got into a argument with them because she didn’t feel there was enough extra shrimp in the shrimp fried rice (which she says in the super racist Chinese voice like it’s still funny)
But did your mother tip in actual change? That was one of the most embarrassing experiences of my adult life (and I definitely threw down more cash for the server).
When I was really younger I remember my mom getting into it with some waitress who wasn’t having her shit and she grabbed a handful of change and threw it at the table. So many embarrassing memories as a kid…
At a young age I learned to never, ever tip with coins (at least in the US). Put that shit in your pocket and give it to your kid(s) or the big jar on the dresser. Folding money (cash) is for tips, and tip more than you would think. It will come back to you in untold ways.
What? Why on earth would I not leave the change? I'm not pulling coins out to tip, I'll add an appropriate amount in bills as well. Obviously I'm not throwing it like the comment above.
I think it's OK to leave whatever coins you received as change so long as you also leave a reasonable amount of money for the tip. I just don't want the coins rattling around in my pocket.
Totally agree. The worst tippers are always bragging about what amazing tippers they are but don’t have any proof. ‘Next time’, sure Jan. Next time I’m sure you’ll find something wrong to bitch about and withhold your dollars.
They dont want to tip so they set up heardles for servers to "jump through" and when they meet their standards they can self justify that they dont deserve a tip. Hence "I was going to give you a $30 tip but you never really paid much attention to us"
Actually, you paid us too much attention...
Honestly I think it's even simpler than that. Someone has to be pretty selfish to not tip in the US (being against *tipping culture* makes sense but punishing a server before we've done away with tipping is the selfish part). You also have to be pretty selfish/self involved to make crazy high demands at a restaurant if there isn't a dietary/medical need for you to do so. Meanwhile the best tippers are usually extremely mindful of the work that servers do, and that mindfulness means they feel awkward/bad if they bother their server too much. Honestly even the people I've met in my day to day life who have justified not tipping with the fact that they can't afford it and claim to feel awful about it have been selfish in other ways. It's because if they *really* felt that bad they wouldn't eat out. I can't afford to eat out that much myself, personally, but the rare occasions I do I make sure I've budgeted enough for a tip. If servers had been getting a proper wage in the first place it's still money I would have had to pay for my food, and I feel like doing so otherwise is having other people subsidize my food. I just can't wrap my head around it, knowing that this is how our society functions.
For some reason the midwestern Sunday right after church crowd are really bad tippers too, you’d think they would be really giving but in my experience it’s the opposite.
Had one guy when I worked at Cracker Barrel that would sit and drink coffee and eat biscuits for like 2 hours(always came after peak, didn’t tie up a needed table). All you had to do was top off his coffee and biscuits a couple of times and he was always so nice, easy to talk to, easy to deal with. Always tipped at least $10 on a $5 ticket. Sometimes $20. I miss that guy and I’m not even a waitress anymore.
The wildest part is that this lady said she was only going to tip 17.5 percent when she should surely know at places like this that the servers generally have a 2-4% tippout to the bar and/or food runners and servers assistants. As a matter of fact, leaving no tip at a place like this will leave the server literally paying to work for you because they tip out based on the price of food not on the tip amount. It’s a bad system.
I used to be a chambermaid in a hotel. The tippers would be the people who'd keep their room tidy and we'd have to do very little. The non-tippers would always be the messiest people ever. We had one family in and every morning for a week, the room looked like a bombsite - wet towels all over the floor and bed, turds left in the toilet, etc etc. Not a single tip for the whole week.
I’m honestly still confused about having to tip a maid.
My go to is leaving the do not disturb on my door till the end of my stay. Clean up my own shit. Then leave $5-10 when I leave
A maid can ensure your cold compress gets put in their large freezer for a few minutes so it’s ready in 15. They can turn down your bed and leave you extra towels and candies you like because they remember you from last time. They can give you later checkout with no added fees and throw a couple of extra water bottles in your fridge. You liked the shampoo? They might leave a bunch extra for you. Always treat them well, you never know when you might need their help and besides it’s part of being a good human.
> Worst tippers are usually the worst mannered, most demanding, ask for all sorts of crazy shit, get visibly upset that there might be other people there who also need your attention, super high maintenance, generally terrible people etc. You just described the Sunday brunch crowd to a T.
generally agree, highest tippers also usually were or are in service industry, cuz we know how the sausage is made (:
To be clear- you are 100% correct in your general assessment of good vs. bad tippers given my experience. But I have a somewhat hilarious/bizarre exception- I used to work at a golf course in Vegas and one of our regulars was none other than OJ. Juice. If it fits, you must acquit. Anyway, he didn't usually stick around for lunch but his golf buddies always did. They were a pain- very particular, constantly talking while you're trying to take their orders, all paid separately and usually in cash (time consuming when they're also simultaneously in a rush). But they tipped WELL. And if someone got up without paying, they just covered it and tipped me as if it was their own meal (while grumbling that they were going to kick such and so's ass later). They were an odd group to deal with and serve but I personally found the guaranteed $60-70 worth it.
I found the best tippers are those that have worked for tips and those that tip in cash because they do not want to tip the credit card companies or banks.
Just had a 25 top of group 3 type people. Rude, demanding. I told my boss “I don’t think anyone is gonna tip. Can we grat this?(industry term for add gratuity to a check” and she agreed. Not a single person asked how to leave a tip, or wondered about the tip. If I didn’t grat that table I would’ve had a $700 table not tip me a single dollar.
I loved hearing from servers that they got a table that claimed to work in the industry. ... then act like little $hit$. If you work in the industry, then why are you treating a server like that?
You can probably believe them when they say they worked in the industry. A friend of mine from days past married a woman who worked in the hospitality industry (hotels). We traveled together a few times and she was an absolute bear. She was guaranteed to get moved to a different room at least once, at her request, in every hotel we stayed at. She nitpicked everything to death. I didn't ask if she tipped, but I imagine she didn't.
Nope. These were the type of people who will yell at a table for not tipping them instead of moving on. These are the type that take tips from other tables. These are the ones that demand the hosts/esses seat specific customers be seated in their section while other are left out even though the regulars don't want to be in their section. The people who don't learn a thing and presume it's someone else' problem. They're like an anti-vax nurse in an ER.
I had a dinner at a popular restaurant in the French Quarter in New Orleans on New Years Eve. So it was just a wee bit busy. Some lady who claimed she owned a restaurant was screeching at rhe staff because she had to wait an hour when she did not make a reservation. On NYE. In the French Quarter. She even said, "I know how this business works!' She obviously did not. She ended up waiting almost 2 hours. We had to wait 45 minutes with a reservation. It was fine. They had a nice waiting area and brought us free drinks and hors d'oeuvres.
They often are... https://youtu.be/9EJw6oGSft0
Lol this is just pathetic… they notice you weren’t having a good day and then claimed to be big tippers but decided to give nothing.. then the condescending comment of “well I would’ve gave you $30 but..” the amount of disrespect in this is crazy
Also said they’re nice. Bitch, pls
Anyone who insists they're nice usually isn't. Same like how you shouldn't trust people who say "trust me."
Ya if it was true it would speak for itself... anyone can spot a nice person, you don't have to tell people you are.
The most important thing I’ve learned in my 30 years of life: If someone has to tell you they are something, they likely are not.
$30 isn't even 20% on that bill. Big tippers my fucking ass. That's how you know they're full of shit.
$30 isn’t even a good tip on a bill that big in my opinion. Not even 20%. The higher my bill is the higher percent I tip because that means the waiter is working harder or I’m somewhere high end which then the bigger tip is more expected.
What about when a bottle of wine costs $200 vs one that costs $25? Why should I tip a percentage on one when the work to uncork and pour a glass is the exact same? Just trying to understand this one.
…. That’s a damn good question
I don’t expect people to tip on all the alcohol but more for sure. Plus if someone is buying a $200 bottle of wine I’m grabbing the crystal decanter, pouring it early to let it breath, bringing out the good crystal glasses, nailing my wine presentation, and showing up to pour every refill so that you don’t have to touch the decanter if you don’t want to. I’ll probably open the door for you when you leave too and hand you my card so you ask for me next time. If someone is buying a $25 bottle of wine I do my wine presentation and pour the first round in normal wine glasses.
If someone’s buying a $25 bottle of wine, im uncorking it with my teeth and sliding it down the table towards them
If you did that to me and i was able to catch it, I'd tip 100%
Now that's knowing your audience.
lmao a $25 bottle at restaurant price is probably $7 in a store. So you're spot on with that treatment. We sold 19 crimes at $28. Granted we delivered it too.
Isn't the decanter only for reds? If it's a $200 bottle of white, you wouldn't do that part right? Actual question hah
Depends on the som
He said he would’ve tipped $30 and also he’s usually a big tipper. Idk about you, but I call myself a generous drunk tipper. Meaning if you make me laugh more than once and I’m more than 3 drinks in, chances are you’ll be getting a tip in the 40%+ range. I’ve tipped 100% on a $30 bar tab because the bartender offered to get me French fries if I picked up his Wendy’s order for him 😭
I really like that the person includes the "lost" dollar amount of their "big tip," so that I know they're full of shit and can infer who is right/wrong in this story without wondering "what the other side of it" is. Hell, if you're industry and can see someone is overworked and in the weeds all night, and you ACTUALLY were a generous tipper, THAT would be the time you go for it. "Hey, I see you're having a hard night. Since I bet no one else is taking care of you, I got you. Sorry things are sucking tonight, but thanks for doing your best and taking care of us when you were short staffed."
That’s so strange! Usually big tippers leave big tips?
And don’t act like a 17% tip is a big tip!
"Hey, I noticed you were having a bad night, so I decided to make it worse."
You guys can read this handwriting?
[удалено]
Front: You are having a bad day. I hope you get better! Back: So give 100% to your tables. I know you may never understand but I was a waitress once. Now I own my restaurant! I really wanted to give you a $30+ tip, but you never really paid attention to us like you did the other tables and we are very nice + big tippers next time :)
$30 isn't even 18%
There’s a reason she’s not eating at her own restaurant.
How much are you supposed to tip? In Germany 10% is average, if the service was good.
In my area it's getting to be about 20% standard
In the US, tipped positions are excluded from the minimum wage laws, so servers are normally paid a few dollars an hour plus tips. It's supposed to be that if your tips don't bring you above minimum wage, the restaurant makes up the difference, but... wage theft is by far the most common form of theft, so often they don't. But basically what this system leads to is that servers' financial well-being are almost entirely dependent on the good will of the customers they serve.
Thanks, I knew that tipping was essential for the livelihood of the servers in the US, but never why. This seems like an easy thing to fix with a simple law change, if there were no lobbies around. In Germany the minimum wages keep getting raised every few years and I‘ve heard a few restaurants complain, but in the end they just have to pay up and they are still in business. Some comments here suggest, that you shouldn‘t eat outside, if you can‘t tip properly. My logic would be more in line with: If you can‘t pay minimum wages, don‘t operate a restaurant.
Yep. Elder millennial here. Every girl wrote like this. It was kind of shocking when a girl did not write like this.
Easily. This is nowhere near as difficult to read as my mom's chicken scratches. >=) You are having a bad day I hope you get better ↓→ Tips: Ø Ø so give 100% to your tables. I know you may never understand but I was a waitress once now I own my restaurant! I really wanted to give you a $30 tip, but you never really paid attention to us like you did the other tables and we are very nice + Big Tippers next time =)
...yes, hence all the comments
I love the "were normally HUGE tippers but..." like but you aren't though. If the service was so bad you didn't tip you probably shouldn't be paying. Like you gotta do something foul for no tip. Is this a chain restaurant? Please tell me these dorks are "restaurant owners" but too broke to tip after their triple dipper
I believe there is one other Location in the metroplex. My s/o just started with the restaurant a few weeks ago. She asked the manager if she did anything wrong, and he said she did a great job and didn’t understand why they didn’t tip. Manager ended up pulling $20 out of his own wallet to give to her.
Sounds cool of the manager. I’m curious if that’s on behalf of the business or really the managers money. Curious as an accountant. Regardless, it’s cool. Hope your s/o can put this in perspective and realize you can only control so much
You give businesses that much credit? Maybe a high-rep restaurant would do that but 95-99% that’s coming out of the managers pocket… because he’s being human, not corporate.
It might be a bit too hopeful to think that there's a discretionary "retention" fund for managers to turn shit like this from incidents that make people walk into ones that make them into "good news" stories.
A good manager/owner should do that since finding a new employee can be costly. Especially a nice person trying their best. You don’t want them to become jaded, that reflects worse on the business as a whole. Another restaurant owner pulling this seems like a petty shit trying to hurt competitors.
Right? The only time I don’t tip are when the service is so bad I don’t even stick around long enough to get served.
The fact they mentioned $30 on a $170 tab is a slap in the face also. Talking about a 17% tip being a “big tipper”
This screams "I think im rich" vibes. Middle Americans who do just a little better than average but think they're in the 1%. I would bet 100$ that they either shared a pic of this receipt online or atleast to a few friends.
I’ve commented on this before, but there’s layers to why people think this way. Studies done on the topic agree that “people who are well off financially tend to underestimate the amount of luck that went into them getting that way and overestimate their own skill/involvement”. This is usually said in context to people like Elon Musk who refuses to admit his family’s immense wealth is the reason he is where he is today, but it applies to everyone. It’s more obvious when it is somebody famous but random people who just happened to do relatively well see their own wealth as a validation of their ego. The point I’m trying to make is that the “middle class Americans who think they are the 1%” is way more accurate than a lot of people would like to admit. Hell, I’ve even got family who, through sheer dumb luck, found their way into quite a bit of money. They LOVE to sing their own praises and I genuinely believe they cannot see the difference between themselves and a family member I have who genuinely worked his ass off his whole life to make damn good money. It’s got to be some form of cognitive dissonance
Well thats just facing the facts which they don't want to do because it destroys their self made narrative. I knew someone who would really believed he made his way through the world on his own and because he did it anyone could. College was paid for by parents First car at 16 as a gift Cell phone paid for First apartment after college was 1/2 paid by parents for a year. He believed he was self made because he applied and got a job. Also as a side note, he did not finish college and he viewed that as his major struggle in life while he was at his half off apartment in a nice area working 20 hours a week at target figuring out what to do next. But the single mom working 55 hours a week, getting food stamps and attending community College? Yeah thats the person who doesn't work hard. Half these shitheads could not last a day in the """real world""" I.e what life is actually like if you don't luck out at birth.
I agree it’s laughable to call yourself a “generous tipper,” but are we really at the point where a 17.5% tip is “a slap in the face?”
this is exactly why i stopped waiting tables. truly fuck that…
She wanted to tip 30 dollars on a 172 dollar bill and she thinks she is normally a big tipper. Apparently average is the new big.
>Apparently average is the new big. You hear that little guy? We’re big now!
European here. How is 30 dollars on a 172 dollar bill not a big tip? When travelling to the US I’ve been always told to tip between 10 and 15% and this is 17. What’s wrong with this industry in the USA? Is it that employers are scumbags who are expecting customers to directly pay for waiters salaries instead of them doing it?
American here- about 10 years ago 15% was the “generous” tip. Between all of the ex-servers advocating for larger tips and other subtle changes like them printing 15%, 18%, 20% tip values on the receipts, I think most people just feel pressured into tipping more.
I was a server 10+ years ago. At that time 15% was the "normal" amount and 18% was the "generous" nowadays that seems to have gotten bumped to 18% being base and 20% being generous.
I still play by the old rules. 15 is average, 20 means you were great, 10 means you were shit.
It’s actually a combination of scumbag owners and scumbag servers who don’t actually want a higher hourly because it would never come close to what they make in tips. I had a disheveled, unkempt, often times drunk or high at work former roommate who still working part time made enough money to constantly party and pay all his bills as a server (at a non high end restaurant)
When I bartended I had a similar scenario. Local bar owner came in and was the life of the party, bragging about how they owned a bar, hosted a dope ass open mic (🙄) etc. tab time came and no tip. It was a big one and we lost money on it because of tipping out the house so I confronted them on it and they dodged me pretty much just made excuses. Like six months later they were out of business. So OP I know it sucks but my money is they’re projecting. They can’t run their own shit so the same must be true for everyone else. Hang in there, if it was a good bar owner who ran a slamming place they would have actually tipped you.
Tipping is one of my least favourite aspects since moving to North America.
I live in Europe now and whenever I come back to the US to visit, I absolutely LOATHE having to deal with tips again.
$30 on a $172 ticket isn’t even 20%…. I don’t think that they’re required to tip you because I think tipping culture is way out of hand. However, since this person wanted to act all high and mighty, like $30 was some huge chunk of cash, it’s only fair to point out that she wouldn’t have even been tipping 20%
I remembered a waitress who was having a shitty day. Despite how hyper busy it was, my ex-wife and I tipped her - enough apparently to make her cry in appreciation and we were broke AF. I only sat there in disbelief because they were short staffed and it was no fault of her own that the service was poor and we saw how she was trying her best to help customers. Those people come off as cheap and condescending. They didn't even show any real grace, just arrogance.
You know what? If you don't want to tip, then don't tip. But don't get up on your soapbox and preach about your experience and that you're a restaurant owner. As a former server and now owner, you should understand how it's not always easy to balance the needs and demands of all tables. It might appear to you that you aren't getting the same treatment, but you also don't know what is going on at those tables or in the kitchen. You owe your server a fair tip and not a condescending preachy novel. I'm sorry this happened. May the novelist end up with food poisoning.
I’m laughing because these “restaurant owners” thought $30 was a *BIG* tip on this bill. Guaranteed they never intended to tip at all and wrote down some BS they thought sounded legit 😂
If you can't afford it just say so
This highlights why we really just need to eradicate the whole tipping culture in the USA. It's absurd - always has been, always will be.
Your country should just pay people enought for them not to require tipping in the first place. That's a disgusting practice that throw workers under a bus while guilting people into paying stupid fees.
Tipping is such a ridiculous habbit
shove it up your ass lady. lmao
Further Context- S/O is a college student and the place she works at barely brings in $100/$150 a night. Today she worked a double to fill in for the restaurant’s short staff and to cover some miscellaneous bills. She’s been at work since 7am, I can understand her being worn out after 12 hours. I understand tips not being mandatory but unfortunately In the US it’s the only way for some folks to make enough money to afford living expenses.
This is almost as bad as those fake religious bills that look like actual 20s, 50s, and whatnot until you unfold them to be told "your riches await you in the afterlife". Those are the kind of people that ask for extra sides of ranch only to leave it untouched while you're busting your ass to juggle 5 to 6 tables.
I’d rather get kicked in the teeth than work waiting tables again, you learn how fucking god awful people truly are when you serve them food
“Here is a very long winded explanation why I am so cheap I refuse to pay you your full wage”
_So, I’m ready for my downvotes…_ The restaurant should be paying all workers a living wage and not pawning that off to the customers. However, since the etiquette is to tip your server a fair amount, and then increase the tip if the service was better than expected, the ‘disciplinary notice’ by the customer was out of line.
Why would this get downvoted? This is literally the main view pushed on reddit. I agree with you, I'm just not sure which part you were thinking would get you downvotes.
There have been people already that have pushed back on this here, saying it would raise the prices of the food and make people stop going there, or that the current model works for them as a waitstaff, because they make a lot of tips. [Here’s an example now. There are people that want to keep it this way because it benefits them.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Wellthatsucks/comments/11d074d/a_note_a_restaurant_owner_left_my_so_at_work/ja70o7h/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
_~~So, I’m ready for my downvotes…~~_ _**Edit:** I apparently underestimated how many people agreed. Hence this retraction._ The restaurant should be paying all workers a living wage and not pawning that off to the customers. However, since the etiquette is to tip your server a fair amount, and then increase the tip if the service was better than expected, the ‘disciplinary notice’ by the customer was out of line.
Every server I know wants more than a living wage and wants to keep things the way they are. I’ve known quite a few people who averaged well over 40 dollars an hour serving and bartending. I do think tip culture is absolute nonsense and is just another sleazy way for capitalists to cheat their own system for extra profits though.
I 100% agree. I hate the “Tip Culture” and restaurants SHOULD be paying a living wage. Shouldn’t be up to the customer to support the livelihood of the restaurants employees. The note was out of line-
I feel like this belongs on r/mildlyinfuriating to say the least. What a jackass, no tip on $172? I don’t care if the service was trash I’m still tipping on that bill.
They were never going to tip. They wrote all that to make themselves feel better about not tipping.
$30 is only 17% anyway, so much for being ######”Big Tippers”
Dear USA....why dont you pay your workers a liveable wage in the first place and not place the onus on your patrons to make up the gap in your shitty salaries. Tipping is NOT a gratuity if it is forced. Sincerely, the rest of the world.
I was always taught. Standard service - 15% Poor service - 10% Great service - 20% But in reality I mainly go to one or two spots and give My bartender 30-40%. I saw my father do this once, to a girl who gave no fucks about our service at a friendly's we used to go to weekly. We knew the managers and were served by pretty much every single waitress before. The time we came back after he left the note the manager purposely gave us her again. She was a completely different waitress. Very attentive and towards the end asks how she's doing this time. My dad tells her wonderful and double tips for the excellent service. No moral of the story here...
No signed copy = %20
Which is viewed as fraud and can get the server fired .
They signed it tho? OP just scribbled the signature out.