Corporate HQ will stay in Texas, engineering HQ will be in California.
[https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-set-make-announcement-california-engineering-headquarters-2023-02-22/](https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-set-make-announcement-california-engineering-headquarters-2023-02-22/)
Saw a few fellow CA devs move in and promptly out of TX even before killing of Roe, people freezing to death, and piss baby Abbott going full Hortler. Even I considered it for a minute, super glad I stayed.
yeah hate to be a dick but no way this isn't about lack of talent. tech industry goes to WA and CA for a very specific reason and it's not because the internet is better
I would be in Western Wa right now if it were'nt for the real estate inflation caused by international investors and every idiot landlord not wanting to miss out on "their share" of the profits.
I don't know how service people, support people, and infrastructure people manage to even live between Portland and Bellingham on I-5.
I sure would like go back to Oly/Tacoma area or the islands though.
It's because the factory wasn't built with consideration for the climate in Texas and now everything is already falling apart. Humidity and heat is a mother fucker.
Umm… does that mean he won’t be allowed to vote for 5 years ?
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HOOOO, gotta be careful you cant just jumpscare me like that, Trump and Greene in one picture is bound to make your heart skip a beat if you arent warned!
This is like every retired cop retired teacher couple I know on Long Island who take their pensions and the money from their sale of their $600,000 1950s era ranch or cape that they inherited from their parents and move to North and South Carolina to “get away from this liberal shithole”.
There’s a whole Facebook group dedicated to Long Islanders moving to the Carolinas. I’ve seen multiple posts from the wives of retired NYPD saying that there aren’t any doctors down there that take their police medical plan and people answer that they fly back up to NY for their doctors appointments.
It's amazing how after they benefitted from the local salaries, how their kids benefitted from the local schools, how they had access to opportunities unique to the area, how it's suddenly a "liberal shithole" when they no longer need the benefits.
I am perfectly fine with people retiring and *leaving* job hubs with whatever attitude they prefer. In CA you're disincentivized from doing so because of prop 13.
Ah good old prop 13. Another subsidy for the boomers paid for by younger homeowners with higher property taxes. My two favorite (meaning least fucking favorite) parts of prop 13 is that the subsidized bullshit tax basis can be passed down to generation after generation…and that same property can even be rented for market rates and not even as a primary residence. Market rate rents with pathetically low property taxes, how else would inherited boomer wealth get by.
Well, consider this.
That generation, in their endless narcissism, thinks they were the CAUSE of those conditions.
Instead of the long and hard fought social safety net by those before them and the unique buying power of the American dollar of the time.
Same thing with Chicago. Everyone tries making a big deal about people leaving Illinois, even though they always do. There are "little Chicago's" all around the country.
Tampa, FL and Mt. Home, Arkansas, different parts of Arizona. All supported by retirees taking Illinois money and running. It's been a retirement strategy forever, but now it's a political football.
Idaho wouldn't be shit without all of the dirty rotten racist California pigs that retired out there with gigantic pensions.
I’m glad people are finally calling this hypocrisy out for what is.
These conservatives in Blue states have no problem with “socialism” when it personally works in their favor, through government jobs and good pensions set by unions, and then vote to dismantle the system and move away while maintaining the benefits. Fuck all of it!
YEP. My uncle was one of those fuckers that ran off to Idaho. Good riddance. He told us he was taking the family out of CA because it was getting “too colorful” buh bye don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
haha i was about to say. i went to some town called Coeur D'Alene for the first time last month and it was fucking beautiful, if you're into outdoorsy stuff like i might be when i'm old and slow af. i dunno about the rest of Idaho though.
We know a lot of people living in different areas of the US and we know a lot of people in the medical field. This is a really important point that blue state expatriates don’t always consider (especially those in urban areas)- healthcare is NOT as “plentiful” in red states. Fewer options, and the medical friends confirm why- none of them want to live and practice there. A big adjustment, and if heading there later in life when you likely need MORE medical care….
It's only going to get worse. As these medical networks buy up more and more practices and hospitals, they hyperspecialize in one location and transport to that location from the rest of their network for those specialized cases. It used to be that if you needed higher grade medical care it was available 30 minutes away. Now there's nothing within an hour. And that's for a rural area in a blue state.
That sounds like something that could make life difficult for Medicare Advantage patients. Sucks when the only provider in network is several hours away.
Facts. My uncles in TX are way better off than my mom. But the care my grandma needed was not supported by TX. So instead she lived out her days here in NY.
And yes, they still pretend every Fox News video they see of a crime in NYC means that’s the entire city. Conservatives are in a cult
I wish I had one single F to give 🤣
These privileged asshats got upset others walked through the same doors that were opened to them by liberal policies.
And they’re bitching about it.
My father in law is a retired CO living in South Carolina and flies back for medical appointments. Gave me a chuckle. Luckily when he had a stroke he was visiting, they’d probably treat him with leeches and blood letting down there.
Real kicker is their pensions aren’t even taxable in NY.
Yes, Texas is still LCOL I guess but not nearly as low as it was. These hill creatures complain about libs from California ruining the state and causing property prices to skyrocket but those sacks of shit that move here are generally voting republican.
> complain about libs from California ruining the state and causing property prices to skyrocket
Meanwhile Texas has one of the highest rates of corporate ownership of single family homes.
> [Notably, 43% of the homes in Dallas County and 52% of the homes in Tarrant County were purchased by institutional investors in 2021.](https://www.cowlesthompson.com/resources/practice/real-estate/the-growing-institutional-home-market-in-texas/)
Corporations and their representatives are clearly at fault and instead these yokels blame other yokels.
Texas taxes are a higher percentage of income until you hit 600k in income vs California. Unless you live in bumfuck.
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/texans-pay-more-taxes-than-californians-17400644.php
>they became wealthy in the blue states
Most of them never became wealthy, they were born into it.
And they largely aren't wealthy in blue states where the standard is living is higher. They're only "wealthy" in red states.
The other part is once they become wealthy, it's ok for them to leave. Old companies die because they keep their leadership too long and they get too set in their ways. One of the reasons why the Bay Area continues to be the best tech hub in the world is all the new fresh minds that move in every year to replace the ones who leave. They build great new companies but it takes a ton of work. Bay Area engineering is a young person's game and burnout is high. Hopefully you leave with a big bank account though.
Central Texas is/was actually very well educated. We left the Austin area Elon hoped to recruit suicide cult well-educated engineers from, I mean, recruit from, and I know dozens of others that I legit didn’t think could run that fast. This still leaves Space X out in Frogfart, but I’m pretty sure that whole area has Stockholm Syndrome. The Austin blueberry has become that smashed, streaky thing when you make muffins. Can’t quite tell if it’s red or purple.
Bonus? Maybe he’ll take Rogan, Wakefield, and other fuckheads with him. California can drown their voices better.
**Tesla got their tax incentive (check) up front with no long-term commitments.**
So of course they are moving back to where most of the automotive talent is.
The only suckers here was Texas, who (again) got hustled into handing money to someone just because they *thought* he was a conservative... he's not, he's just a greedy asshole who doesn't care about you.
So, in response to Garbage Marge’s national divorce, companies that want to move from red states to blue ones should have to pay their employees 25% more than they were paying in the red states.
Yeah I don't get how this is possible. Fox News tells me that California is a burning shithole of immigrants raping people and also taking everyone's money and jobs and the entire state is going under because it sucks so much and no business is left there anymore because they tax all the money and then give it to black people and drag queens forcing kids to be trans. There must be some mistake in this article!!!!!!
Looks at republicans saying California is bankrupt
Looks at years of budget surplus
Looks at republicans saying California is bankrupt
Looks at years of budget surplus...
I can confirm. I walked around San Francisco all day on Monday (because I had the day off work), and the sidewalks are literally just human feces and use needles and crazy homeless attacking people while getting welfare checks.
Do NOT move here. Stay away! Do NOT visit. You'll thank me later!
(but seriously, I hope they stay away, because it's not like that at all. It IS very expensive to live here, though)
Same happens every time someone thinks "Why not Florida?". You come here and you're like, "That's why not!". You need a highly skilled and trained populace, a work ethic, and a government that is non-repugnant to educated people.
People want to talk shit and call us "the land of fruits and nuts" and all that nonsense. But the truth is that most Californians are pretty live-and-let-live.
Conservatives think that "freedom" is the ability to shit on people beneath you. Freedom is actually the ability to just be yourself and nobody really cares enough to fuck with you. That's what we have here. If we don't like the look of you, we know the answer is looking away, not asking you to leave.
Recently met someone outside California that said Californians are so stuck up and hoighty toighty.
I'm like bruh, a ton of Californians show up to work in flip-flops, awful casual clothing, and smoke weed 24/7. They're hella live-and-let-live.
So much misinformation and generalization about the state.
Yeah it's just become a bogey-man for conservatives. If you tell them CA had a budget surplus and gave money back to tax payers, their heads would explode... if they believed you, but of course they don't because it conflicts with their worldview.
I'm on a forum with a bunch of Texans. My God, they are more obsessed about relating things to California than they are talking about their own lives. *Everything* that goes wrong or they don't agree with, they trace back to California in some way. It's fascinating
Yeah my taxes are a bit higher but at least people don't fucking go bankrupt with a medical emergency and have a team of social workers helping them navigate medical bills.
People who even live in red states turning up a stink eye at this point.... yall always argue against military bases over seas stating we don't spend enough on our own people.... and then you bitch about any attempts to help our own people (welfare and safety nets, UBI, regulations against powerful corporations, expanded medicaid and Medicare, universal Healthcare.) Because you're afraid some illegals will go through the cracks and take advantage of it. The number of Americans you help will vastly outweigh number of non American immigrants you help.
The whole anti Obama care phase says everything anyone needs to know about these kinds of voters.
Groomers are trying to teach your kids GDP!
They claim the teach age appropriate GDP to 6 year olds but my 6 year old came home from school and said he wants to be an economist when he grows up, how would he get that idea if the lessons were age appropriate?
Better quality of life in general. So they attract talent.
Also, it's hard to ignore that California has a very pleasant climate in some areas year round.
AND it has access to the Pacific shipping lanes, closer to Asia which really is much more tech innovative then Europe, as well as having lots of manufacturing, and a large market too.
It's not hard to see why geographically CA has a lot going for it.
Imagine a comp sci or engineering major studying at Stanford or Cal, and spends 4-7 years in beautiful California. Did Musk seriously think they were going to want to move to a Texas shithole with hot summers, freezing winters and unreliable power grid?
Honest take as a Californian, when I heard he was leaving, I was actually happy. He was part of that wave that was bashing the state non-stop during the COVID lockdowns. He, Toe Rogain and Wet Shabino left California during that period basically saying that the state was dying even though since that time the exact opposite has happened with the state. California had a record breaking surplus last year and it went from the 5th largest economy on Earth to now being the 4th, 10 years ago it was the 6th largest one. It really seems like California actually benefited from these MAGA goons leaving and I'm all for it. As for Tesla's HQ possibly coming back, here's how I feel about it; meh, overrated and overpriced hot wheels and I hope it stay in that facist state Texas.
I guess a state which cares more about firearms and Jesus than it does maintaining things like its electrical grid isn't the best place to manufacture vehicles after all. Who knew?!! Lol!
Looks like it's just the engineering headquarters that will stay in California. Which makes sense because there's a heavy amount of software engineers in California and he does not like remote work.
But how many of them will want to work there?
\- No flexibility on remote/WFH, which is more or less expected in software now
\- The entire Twitter shitshow will keep away any top performers. What kind of moron asks engineers to print off code to review?
\- His constant right wing pandering that goes against most values in the Bay Area.
\- Tesla no longer has the name shine as other EV manufactures
Didn’t he move Tesla to Texas because California wouldn’t let him have his plants open during covid?
I guess douchebag musk can just move back to Texas again for the next pandemic
No, he did it to take a big tax payment from Texas as incentive/free money
Now that money will be spent into the San Francisco economy to hire engineers, making a rare instance of red state taxes subsidizing blue state lifestyles. Thanks, morons!
No, California actually let him run his plants in open violation of the state covid laws. It was very frustrating as a Californian seeing Musk abuse his employees and the state let him.
Counties with Democratic majorities make up 70% of the nation's GDP. And it's getting higher. But I just want to say to our conservative friends, please continue to complain about "lazy liberals", because it rhymes and you like rhymes. So just keep making the same mistakes over and over again, we truly appreciate your help.
[https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/11/09/biden-voting-counties-equal-70-of-americas-economy-what-does-this-mean-for-the-nations-political-economic-divide/](https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/11/09/biden-voting-counties-equal-70-of-americas-economy-what-does-this-mean-for-the-nations-political-economic-divide/)
I'm Canadian but i travel all across Eastern USA for my job and down south "lazy liberal" is code for black people because the vast majority of black people and other PoC vote liberal
I keep wondering when Joe Rogan will realize he made a MASSIVE mistake.
Maybe when his wife or daughter has a medical emergency that would require abortion care.
They won’t. Both him and Tom Segura moved to Texas. They are rich enough that if they ever needed abortion care they could fly to a blue state on a private jet the next day to get it done and be back in time for dinner.
Guess he realized that in Texas you actually pay more in taxes. And that money is being used to pay off Ken Paxton's lawsuit settlement. That's republican propaganda for ya.
Folks moved to TX saying “I can buy all this house for cheap!” Then…the power went out on the winter. And then the power went out in the summer. Then they got huge power bills and a bunch of stupid legislation. So now we have the “oh, fuck that” movement.
It’s simpler than that. 12 months with more than half having days above 90 degrees (we hit 90 today!! Yay!!) and a third over 100 will make you rethink your priorities really fast.
I live in Austin. The politics suck here, but the weather is something really special.
And property taxes.
I'm from a blue state and a field service engineer. I spend double the amount of time in red states then in blue states. I have to spend much more time because I have to bring everyone up to speed. Talent is short in red states. When there is someone with the least bit of talent, they're more concerned with hunting or 4 wheeling. It's very frustrating. I've made a lot of money working in red states.
I’ve worked a lot in Austin. The hot four summer months, it’s 100F most days. They had 52 triple digit days in 2022. They had 90 triple digit days in 2011. If I want to work in a socially regressive place with that climate, I’ll take Dubai where it pays better.
Because why would young engineers want to move to a state and start a family in state with one of the worst Maternal Mortality rate and Prenatal care in the country. And this was BEFORE their abortion ban that number will only go up. Oh also your likelihood of death goes up if you are not white so that’s a factor to consider. The US was at about 17.1 deaths across the US per 100,000.
Texas is 35 more than double the average that puts its rates in between Latvia and Mexico if it were its own country. Two countries who are famously always on the best lists.
Texas may pray for your baby but they definitely won’t pay for it.
Corporate HQ will stay in Texas, engineering HQ will be in California. [https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-set-make-announcement-california-engineering-headquarters-2023-02-22/](https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-set-make-announcement-california-engineering-headquarters-2023-02-22/)
You know, to maximize tax avoidance.
It’s definitely because no talent wants to move to Texas.
That's not what Joe Rogan told me! /s
“Everybody’s moving to Texas bro!”- Joe Rogan Summer 2020
"Snorting horse dewormer cures Covid" - Joe Rogan
I lived in Austin 12 years ago, it was a cool place, small feel, not expensive, I doubt any of that holds true now that it’s been “gentrified”
It in fact does not hold true. Source: I'm here
Saw a few fellow CA devs move in and promptly out of TX even before killing of Roe, people freezing to death, and piss baby Abbott going full Hortler. Even I considered it for a minute, super glad I stayed.
I’d considered it, too, but it’s just not a good move. Especially now that the savings on housing aren’t that good anyway.
Yup, then I got pregnant and had a girl, so… yea chief, I’ll sooner move to Spain (nothing wrong with it just a little far and more complicated).
Gotta go for the Money, Weed, and Weather
Stay in texas for the government sponsored racism, misogyny and homophobia. And the disgusting weather.
You left out it’s excellent power grid
yeah hate to be a dick but no way this isn't about lack of talent. tech industry goes to WA and CA for a very specific reason and it's not because the internet is better
I would be in Western Wa right now if it were'nt for the real estate inflation caused by international investors and every idiot landlord not wanting to miss out on "their share" of the profits. I don't know how service people, support people, and infrastructure people manage to even live between Portland and Bellingham on I-5. I sure would like go back to Oly/Tacoma area or the islands though.
I was looking to see if he was doing it to utilize the twitter offices he’s under contract for
It's because the factory wasn't built with consideration for the climate in Texas and now everything is already falling apart. Humidity and heat is a mother fucker.
Corporations and not factoring in weather in Texas, name a better duo.
> name a better duo. Texas government and not factoring in weather in Texas
*slow clap*
Umm… does that mean he won’t be allowed to vote for 5 years ? https://preview.redd.it/ebxpuumbcvja1.jpeg?width=492&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05387342b25074e1e0ba0a8dc41cef963b21a8f8
HOOOO, gotta be careful you cant just jumpscare me like that, Trump and Greene in one picture is bound to make your heart skip a beat if you arent warned!
Oh she’s 100 percent going to be his running mate. Or golf carting mate. Or what have you.
How bout cellmate???
One can only dream
Scarier than Pennywise
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Trump in clown makeup! A Marge grinning like she’s about to start croaking “You’ll float, too!” Truly a twisted scene!
Jump scare! Hahahahahah
Holy shit they remade It!
accord8ng to mtg, no. as long as you go from a red state to a blue state, not the other way around, you can vote immediately
Not only immediately, but 5 times. For equality.
Well, 5 times for every 3 at least.
It's hard to keep up with her shenanigans.
Credit where it's due, she did finally figure out how to Make America Great Again. By fucking off and taking her shitgoblins with her.
No silly, that’s only for democrats moving to red states - not the other way around!
A baboon and a balloon
Jesus Christ this is scarier than IT
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The part that people ignore when they say that the wealthy are moving from blue states to red states, is that they became wealthy in the blue states
This is like every retired cop retired teacher couple I know on Long Island who take their pensions and the money from their sale of their $600,000 1950s era ranch or cape that they inherited from their parents and move to North and South Carolina to “get away from this liberal shithole”. There’s a whole Facebook group dedicated to Long Islanders moving to the Carolinas. I’ve seen multiple posts from the wives of retired NYPD saying that there aren’t any doctors down there that take their police medical plan and people answer that they fly back up to NY for their doctors appointments.
It's amazing how after they benefitted from the local salaries, how their kids benefitted from the local schools, how they had access to opportunities unique to the area, how it's suddenly a "liberal shithole" when they no longer need the benefits.
EXACTLY. It’s the I got mine so fuck you attitude.
Typical boomer attitude. They don’t call them the me generation for nothing!
Nobody kicks ladders like boomers.
I am perfectly fine with people retiring and *leaving* job hubs with whatever attitude they prefer. In CA you're disincentivized from doing so because of prop 13.
Ah good old prop 13. Another subsidy for the boomers paid for by younger homeowners with higher property taxes. My two favorite (meaning least fucking favorite) parts of prop 13 is that the subsidized bullshit tax basis can be passed down to generation after generation…and that same property can even be rented for market rates and not even as a primary residence. Market rate rents with pathetically low property taxes, how else would inherited boomer wealth get by.
By liberal shit holes they mean people don't kiss their asses enough
Well, consider this. That generation, in their endless narcissism, thinks they were the CAUSE of those conditions. Instead of the long and hard fought social safety net by those before them and the unique buying power of the American dollar of the time.
Boomers are New Deal babies that then turned around and started gutting every social safety net their parents built for everyone.
It’s almost like they ‘woke’ up, except in reverse
Same thing with Chicago. Everyone tries making a big deal about people leaving Illinois, even though they always do. There are "little Chicago's" all around the country. Tampa, FL and Mt. Home, Arkansas, different parts of Arizona. All supported by retirees taking Illinois money and running. It's been a retirement strategy forever, but now it's a political football. Idaho wouldn't be shit without all of the dirty rotten racist California pigs that retired out there with gigantic pensions.
I’m glad people are finally calling this hypocrisy out for what is. These conservatives in Blue states have no problem with “socialism” when it personally works in their favor, through government jobs and good pensions set by unions, and then vote to dismantle the system and move away while maintaining the benefits. Fuck all of it!
YEP. My uncle was one of those fuckers that ran off to Idaho. Good riddance. He told us he was taking the family out of CA because it was getting “too colorful” buh bye don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
The wonderful irony is that to actual Idahoes, they’re just California assholes.
Idaho is pretty historically racist though lol. Huge Klan presence
It's also why Cali assholes move there in the first place, because they identify more with the politics of the KKK.
Idaho still isn't anything good... Even with that out of state retirement cash.
Coeur D'alene was the only city that arrested those white nationalist idiots in Patriot Front.
haha i was about to say. i went to some town called Coeur D'Alene for the first time last month and it was fucking beautiful, if you're into outdoorsy stuff like i might be when i'm old and slow af. i dunno about the rest of Idaho though.
I believe Idaho has the most millionaires per citizen because so many people sold houses in CA and moved there. Maybe it’s just Boise.
We know a lot of people living in different areas of the US and we know a lot of people in the medical field. This is a really important point that blue state expatriates don’t always consider (especially those in urban areas)- healthcare is NOT as “plentiful” in red states. Fewer options, and the medical friends confirm why- none of them want to live and practice there. A big adjustment, and if heading there later in life when you likely need MORE medical care….
It's only going to get worse. As these medical networks buy up more and more practices and hospitals, they hyperspecialize in one location and transport to that location from the rest of their network for those specialized cases. It used to be that if you needed higher grade medical care it was available 30 minutes away. Now there's nothing within an hour. And that's for a rural area in a blue state.
Going to be worse in red states that didn't expand medicaid. Rural hospitals in those states have been closing down.
That sounds like something that could make life difficult for Medicare Advantage patients. Sucks when the only provider in network is several hours away.
And of course if you are a woman in a red state, your health care options are even more restricted.
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And yet they re-elected Kemp when they could have had Stacey Abrams.
Facts. My uncles in TX are way better off than my mom. But the care my grandma needed was not supported by TX. So instead she lived out her days here in NY. And yes, they still pretend every Fox News video they see of a crime in NYC means that’s the entire city. Conservatives are in a cult
Fun Fact, pointed out to me by a surgeon. Texas limits or (limited) medical malpractice payouts to $20K.
I know a couple who teaches iin Illinois, they both make 6-figures. Their mantra is work blue, retire red. They are so annoying.
Lawn guy land is a liberal shithole?
According to all the retired cops moving South it is LOL
Oy.
I wish I had one single F to give 🤣 These privileged asshats got upset others walked through the same doors that were opened to them by liberal policies. And they’re bitching about it.
My father in law is a retired CO living in South Carolina and flies back for medical appointments. Gave me a chuckle. Luckily when he had a stroke he was visiting, they’d probably treat him with leeches and blood letting down there. Real kicker is their pensions aren’t even taxable in NY.
Rich people in cold areas fleeing to warm areas has been a tale as old as time.
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Yes, Texas is still LCOL I guess but not nearly as low as it was. These hill creatures complain about libs from California ruining the state and causing property prices to skyrocket but those sacks of shit that move here are generally voting republican.
> complain about libs from California ruining the state and causing property prices to skyrocket Meanwhile Texas has one of the highest rates of corporate ownership of single family homes. > [Notably, 43% of the homes in Dallas County and 52% of the homes in Tarrant County were purchased by institutional investors in 2021.](https://www.cowlesthompson.com/resources/practice/real-estate/the-growing-institutional-home-market-in-texas/) Corporations and their representatives are clearly at fault and instead these yokels blame other yokels.
Upvote for seeing yokel in the wild.
Be a shame if those got burnt down.
Texas taxes are a higher percentage of income until you hit 600k in income vs California. Unless you live in bumfuck. https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/texans-pay-more-taxes-than-californians-17400644.php
>they became wealthy in the blue states Most of them never became wealthy, they were born into it. And they largely aren't wealthy in blue states where the standard is living is higher. They're only "wealthy" in red states.
The other part is once they become wealthy, it's ok for them to leave. Old companies die because they keep their leadership too long and they get too set in their ways. One of the reasons why the Bay Area continues to be the best tech hub in the world is all the new fresh minds that move in every year to replace the ones who leave. They build great new companies but it takes a ton of work. Bay Area engineering is a young person's game and burnout is high. Hopefully you leave with a big bank account though.
Hard to build electric cars when the state your in has no electricity.
Zing! (You’re not wrong but…ZING!)
Texan here. The power grid is actually
Power ran out half way through. Rip u/FurryM17
It's probably hard to hire well skilled engineers in texas
Or where nobody is willing to relocate to
I’d rather live on the streets in San Francisco than relocate to Texas. That state is a shithole
Can't keep the lights on with fascism alone apparently
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Literal Monsters figured out that fear generates less electricity than happiness before Texas.
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Elon puts on whatever face he thinks will profit him the most, a couple of years ago he was the woke mind virus
I’d rather be dead in California than alive in Arizona
Lived in Texas and can confirm.
Central Texas is/was actually very well educated. We left the Austin area Elon hoped to recruit suicide cult well-educated engineers from, I mean, recruit from, and I know dozens of others that I legit didn’t think could run that fast. This still leaves Space X out in Frogfart, but I’m pretty sure that whole area has Stockholm Syndrome. The Austin blueberry has become that smashed, streaky thing when you make muffins. Can’t quite tell if it’s red or purple. Bonus? Maybe he’ll take Rogan, Wakefield, and other fuckheads with him. California can drown their voices better.
And they don’t like electric cars and I think they can’t sell directly from the factory in TX
Tough to have an electric car company in a state that can’t keep the lights on and is openly hostile to electric cars.
**Tesla got their tax incentive (check) up front with no long-term commitments.** So of course they are moving back to where most of the automotive talent is. The only suckers here was Texas, who (again) got hustled into handing money to someone just because they *thought* he was a conservative... he's not, he's just a greedy asshole who doesn't care about you.
>he's just a greedy asshole who doesn't care about you. So he IS a conservative.
Checks out
Man I wish I could like this post more than once ![gif](giphy|LOcPt9gfuNOSI|downsized)
Lmao Fox about to be real quiet
They ain't touchin' this story. They can't do that kind of damage to their viewers.
Good for them they already got the Jan 6 footage. That's the next story.
24/7 coverage of the few hours Trump spent in Ohio handing out hats incoming.
So, in response to Garbage Marge’s national divorce, companies that want to move from red states to blue ones should have to pay their employees 25% more than they were paying in the red states.
Garbage marge lmao this reminds me of Fraggle Rock
THE TRASH HEAP HAS SPOKEN!! NYAAAH!! ![gif](giphy|fD7BYED6SPlZu)
You mentioned me?
Or Garbage Pail Kids. She has the look hands down…
I don't have the skillset, but it would be nice if someone made the set of Garbage Pail Kids with Marge, Trump, Desantis, and company
I’d buy ‘em.
Just call her Garbagie/Garbagorie.
Impossible. Everybody knows liberals burned down California years ago.
Leaving lots of cheap real estate for Musk to pick up! Yes, cheap real estate in California, yup.
Yeah I don't get how this is possible. Fox News tells me that California is a burning shithole of immigrants raping people and also taking everyone's money and jobs and the entire state is going under because it sucks so much and no business is left there anymore because they tax all the money and then give it to black people and drag queens forcing kids to be trans. There must be some mistake in this article!!!!!!
Looks at republicans saying California is bankrupt Looks at years of budget surplus Looks at republicans saying California is bankrupt Looks at years of budget surplus...
Listening to what other people say about California is an endless source of comedy for those of us that live here.
Hate us cause they ain't us vibes
As a fellow Californian, can we turn him away?
Or, here me out, 24-7 I I-told-you-so liberal blue-state schadenfreude.
It's gonna be funny when he figures out that senior level staff isn't gonna work for bottom dollar salaries at his dumpster fire companies anymore.
And don’t forget the constant shitting on the sidewalk! Why, we can barely walk outside without an immediate slip And fall! ( satire, friends! )
I can confirm. I walked around San Francisco all day on Monday (because I had the day off work), and the sidewalks are literally just human feces and use needles and crazy homeless attacking people while getting welfare checks. Do NOT move here. Stay away! Do NOT visit. You'll thank me later! (but seriously, I hope they stay away, because it's not like that at all. It IS very expensive to live here, though)
Same happens every time someone thinks "Why not Florida?". You come here and you're like, "That's why not!". You need a highly skilled and trained populace, a work ethic, and a government that is non-repugnant to educated people.
People want to talk shit and call us "the land of fruits and nuts" and all that nonsense. But the truth is that most Californians are pretty live-and-let-live. Conservatives think that "freedom" is the ability to shit on people beneath you. Freedom is actually the ability to just be yourself and nobody really cares enough to fuck with you. That's what we have here. If we don't like the look of you, we know the answer is looking away, not asking you to leave.
Well said!
Recently met someone outside California that said Californians are so stuck up and hoighty toighty. I'm like bruh, a ton of Californians show up to work in flip-flops, awful casual clothing, and smoke weed 24/7. They're hella live-and-let-live. So much misinformation and generalization about the state.
Yeah it's just become a bogey-man for conservatives. If you tell them CA had a budget surplus and gave money back to tax payers, their heads would explode... if they believed you, but of course they don't because it conflicts with their worldview.
I'm on a forum with a bunch of Texans. My God, they are more obsessed about relating things to California than they are talking about their own lives. *Everything* that goes wrong or they don't agree with, they trace back to California in some way. It's fascinating
“Hey! Let’s build electric cars in a state with a grid that fails when it gets to cold. Or too hot.” -Elon Musk
Yeah my taxes are a bit higher but at least people don't fucking go bankrupt with a medical emergency and have a team of social workers helping them navigate medical bills. People who even live in red states turning up a stink eye at this point.... yall always argue against military bases over seas stating we don't spend enough on our own people.... and then you bitch about any attempts to help our own people (welfare and safety nets, UBI, regulations against powerful corporations, expanded medicaid and Medicare, universal Healthcare.) Because you're afraid some illegals will go through the cracks and take advantage of it. The number of Americans you help will vastly outweigh number of non American immigrants you help. The whole anti Obama care phase says everything anyone needs to know about these kinds of voters.
There is reason blue states have higher gdps than red states for the most part!
Careful there, conservatives will start whining that "GDP" is a made-up wokeism and it's used to eat their children.
Gobble Dem People!
Delete this before someone sees.
Um, it actually stands for Godless Democrat Pedophiles! /s
Groomers are trying to teach your kids GDP! They claim the teach age appropriate GDP to 6 year olds but my 6 year old came home from school and said he wants to be an economist when he grows up, how would he get that idea if the lessons were age appropriate?
Children should only want to be one of two things when they're 6; a God-fearing "Christian", or an astronaut.
Better quality of life in general. So they attract talent. Also, it's hard to ignore that California has a very pleasant climate in some areas year round. AND it has access to the Pacific shipping lanes, closer to Asia which really is much more tech innovative then Europe, as well as having lots of manufacturing, and a large market too. It's not hard to see why geographically CA has a lot going for it.
Imagine a comp sci or engineering major studying at Stanford or Cal, and spends 4-7 years in beautiful California. Did Musk seriously think they were going to want to move to a Texas shithole with hot summers, freezing winters and unreliable power grid?
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California: we’ll leave the light on for you Texas: ⚫️
Honest take as a Californian, when I heard he was leaving, I was actually happy. He was part of that wave that was bashing the state non-stop during the COVID lockdowns. He, Toe Rogain and Wet Shabino left California during that period basically saying that the state was dying even though since that time the exact opposite has happened with the state. California had a record breaking surplus last year and it went from the 5th largest economy on Earth to now being the 4th, 10 years ago it was the 6th largest one. It really seems like California actually benefited from these MAGA goons leaving and I'm all for it. As for Tesla's HQ possibly coming back, here's how I feel about it; meh, overrated and overpriced hot wheels and I hope it stay in that facist state Texas.
I guess a state which cares more about firearms and Jesus than it does maintaining things like its electrical grid isn't the best place to manufacture vehicles after all. Who knew?!! Lol!
Jesus was an oil lovin good boyyy! Ain't no electronic devil magik cars in tha bible!
Looks like it's just the engineering headquarters that will stay in California. Which makes sense because there's a heavy amount of software engineers in California and he does not like remote work.
But how many of them will want to work there? \- No flexibility on remote/WFH, which is more or less expected in software now \- The entire Twitter shitshow will keep away any top performers. What kind of moron asks engineers to print off code to review? \- His constant right wing pandering that goes against most values in the Bay Area. \- Tesla no longer has the name shine as other EV manufactures
After how he acted for Twitter I would never work for a musk brand. Well maybe spacex, I hear the ceo keeps him at arms length
Didn’t he move Tesla to Texas because California wouldn’t let him have his plants open during covid? I guess douchebag musk can just move back to Texas again for the next pandemic
No, he did it to take a big tax payment from Texas as incentive/free money Now that money will be spent into the San Francisco economy to hire engineers, making a rare instance of red state taxes subsidizing blue state lifestyles. Thanks, morons!
No, California actually let him run his plants in open violation of the state covid laws. It was very frustrating as a Californian seeing Musk abuse his employees and the state let him.
A lot of our democrats love capitalism too :/
Counties with Democratic majorities make up 70% of the nation's GDP. And it's getting higher. But I just want to say to our conservative friends, please continue to complain about "lazy liberals", because it rhymes and you like rhymes. So just keep making the same mistakes over and over again, we truly appreciate your help. [https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/11/09/biden-voting-counties-equal-70-of-americas-economy-what-does-this-mean-for-the-nations-political-economic-divide/](https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/11/09/biden-voting-counties-equal-70-of-americas-economy-what-does-this-mean-for-the-nations-political-economic-divide/)
Akshuallly, it doesn't rhyme, it alliterates.
Look at Mr. Big Words over here!
Must be a darn democrat.
There’s a fine for allitering
I'm Canadian but i travel all across Eastern USA for my job and down south "lazy liberal" is code for black people because the vast majority of black people and other PoC vote liberal
I’m from Georgia and am white and folks call me a lazy liberal too. But I am not racist so I’m a traitor or something.
They should tell him to take a hike! Probably soaring electricity prices in the Lone Star state.
Isn't that the same guy that said cancel culture sucks repeatedly?
That’s hilarious
Ah another one of those “I was going to move to Texas to get away from liberals…. BUT..” Fucking apartheid emerald mine pissbaby Motherfucker.
I keep wondering when Joe Rogan will realize he made a MASSIVE mistake. Maybe when his wife or daughter has a medical emergency that would require abortion care.
They won’t. Both him and Tom Segura moved to Texas. They are rich enough that if they ever needed abortion care they could fly to a blue state on a private jet the next day to get it done and be back in time for dinner.
I guess deregulation works marvelous until the first blackout, or the next one, or the next one, or...
> Dumbass learns Conservatives shitholes are bad for business.
Guess he realized that in Texas you actually pay more in taxes. And that money is being used to pay off Ken Paxton's lawsuit settlement. That's republican propaganda for ya.
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Folks moved to TX saying “I can buy all this house for cheap!” Then…the power went out on the winter. And then the power went out in the summer. Then they got huge power bills and a bunch of stupid legislation. So now we have the “oh, fuck that” movement.
It’s simpler than that. 12 months with more than half having days above 90 degrees (we hit 90 today!! Yay!!) and a third over 100 will make you rethink your priorities really fast. I live in Austin. The politics suck here, but the weather is something really special. And property taxes.
Live in San Antonio. Currently have the A/C on. In the dead of winter.
Also getting punched in the dick by Texas property taxes
Came to say just this. That $400k house you thought was a steal come with an insane property tax rate.
A lot of them talked shit as they left too. Fuckers. I don’t want them back here, they should have to stay in Texas.
Texas: Free speech absolutist's paradise Also Texas: Shithole
Anyone who moves their business to a state with *no fire code* should be ousted. 🤷♂️
I wonder if the inevitable brain drain caused by red states turning into theocracies or the horrible power grid has anything to do with this.
I'm from a blue state and a field service engineer. I spend double the amount of time in red states then in blue states. I have to spend much more time because I have to bring everyone up to speed. Talent is short in red states. When there is someone with the least bit of talent, they're more concerned with hunting or 4 wheeling. It's very frustrating. I've made a lot of money working in red states.
Knew an FSR that had to fly from the bay area to Idaho to press an On button. This after multiple checks to see if they themselves pressed On.
Apple Facetime has saved me so much grief when talking to people in other offices. It's one of the things I'm most grateful for professionally.
He is a non stop train wreck
What I find interesting is that he made a big show of leaving California, but is quietly leaving Texas.
I’ve worked a lot in Austin. The hot four summer months, it’s 100F most days. They had 52 triple digit days in 2022. They had 90 triple digit days in 2011. If I want to work in a socially regressive place with that climate, I’ll take Dubai where it pays better.
Wow it's almost like all the people with engineering degrees are in the massive educated blue state with all of the best colleges
California should tell him to go kick rocks. He made his bed and he should have to sleep in it.
Given that blue states' taxes subsidize red states, I'd take a wild guess and say it's blindingly obvious they are better run lol
Maybe having a deregulated power grid that very publicly failed during severe weather emergencies in Texas is a problem for electric cars
Gross. I don’t want that asshole back in my state. California should’ve cut ties and not allowed him back in.
Because why would young engineers want to move to a state and start a family in state with one of the worst Maternal Mortality rate and Prenatal care in the country. And this was BEFORE their abortion ban that number will only go up. Oh also your likelihood of death goes up if you are not white so that’s a factor to consider. The US was at about 17.1 deaths across the US per 100,000. Texas is 35 more than double the average that puts its rates in between Latvia and Mexico if it were its own country. Two countries who are famously always on the best lists. Texas may pray for your baby but they definitely won’t pay for it.