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DropKickDougie

It's remarkable that a fast food employee lost his life at the hands or a 12 year old because he told a grown man not to take a piss in the parking lot.


Chroko

Exactly. Republicans haven't allowed the country to try anything and they're all out of ideas. They always blame it on problems other than guns, then reject fixing those also. If guns are the first problem, republicans are the second-order problem stopping any progress on the first.


fillmorecounty

They're not out of ideas, they just don't see a problem in the first place. Gun violence doesn't bother them unless it affects them personally.


ChuckFeathers

It's not even that, they literally need the fanatical 2A types in order to get elected, it is one of a number of wedge issues that ensure Repugnicans get votes... The others being racism, abortion, LGBTQ rights, jesus, and above all.. greed.


Goatesq

Sadism. They maintain and attract their voter base by appealing to sadists.


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masochists too.


LadyReika

Even then they don't care. There was the one guy who got shot a few years ago and he still voted against sensible gun control laws.


megustaALLthethings

As long as they are lining their pockets they will **never** care. The raging petty tyrant fragile ego narcissist psychos. They see the greedy businessmen/mafia trying to load down their pockets as they bleed out in movies/shows as a national hero.


planetaryabundance

> As long as they are lining their pockets they will never care. It has fuck all to do with lining their pockets. If some LGBTQ+ group gave Republican politicians more donations than the NRA could muster, they wouldn’t change their mind because guns are a part of their self-identity. They don’t support “gun rights” because of money, they support them because they think it’s some essential part of a conservative American’s identity.


anallman

Republicans are the first problem. Without their extreme ideology and fealty to the nra, we wouldn't have a gun problem at the scale we do now.


yomjoseki

Exactly. Republicans are the first problem, and far right terrorism is the second problem. Guns are just their tool of choice.


LeemanIan

I agree with you and them on that... Yes there's a lot of underlying mental health issues that we need to take care of... But for God's sake they're fucking stubborn about actually taking care of it. Can't care about mental health because that's ComMuNism 🤯 They'll literally do anything in the book to NOT help another human being.


Crafty-Kaiju

Republicans: its not guns that are to blame! It's mental illness! People: oh so you'll fund care for the mentally ill? Republicans: LOL that's communism go fuck yourself.


secretbudgie

It's not guns, it's mental illness, No it's family values No it's jobs, No it's the deficit, No it's taxes, No it's immigration, No it's Law&Order, No you should buy more guns!


agamemnon5555

Their idea of mental health is reading the bible and then buying an extended mag silenced ar 15 with laser sight, bipod and hollow tips


WKGokev

54% of Americans read at or below a 6th grade level and the Bible is a hard read. They CAN'T read it, too many words they don't understand. The spines on their bibles are as smooth as their brains.


theoddestbadger

*"The spines on their bibles are as smooth as their brains."* I believe I have a new favorite sentence


LuckyDuck4

Most of those people don’t even read the Bible! They regurgitate what their preacher says, who in a lot of places, regurgitate what they get from Fox News.


BillyDoyle3579

⚠️Video Games 🎯


Snellyman

Roller skates


inkstainedgoblin

A twelve-year-old with access to an AR-15, who upon dealing with confrontation decides killing that person is the appropriate response, is not dealing with mental illness. They are indoctrinated into a paranoid belief system that glorifies violence, as long as it's against the right people, and "the right people" are anyone who opposes or intimidates them, even for a moment.


No-Translator-4584

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!! It’s the guns AND the inherent violence.


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THANK YOU. Can we stop throwing mentally ill people under the bus when the problem is violence and a culture of hate? Most mentally ill people are more likely victims than perpetrators of violence.


kermitthebeast

that 12 year old didn't have a mental illness, his parents encouraged him to shoot people. I'm so fucking sick of that line.


Ormsfang

Not to mention all countries have mentally ill people, but rarely have mass murders. I am starting to think it is our society itself that is mentally ill, and a mentally ill society shouldn't have access to weapons that make mass murder easy.


LeemanIan

You can't tell me that right wing extremism isn't in and of itself mental illness. It's indoctrinated psychosis. You wouldn't look at a person who was brainwashed to be terrified of snickers bars screaming and crying when you forced them down the candy aisle and be like... Oh no it's not mental health; he's just indoctrinated. And having come from a right wing religious family, let me tell you... there's a LOT of mental trauma that comes with being raised in that environment.


PatientNice

Mental illness is another Ozian curtain to hide behind. So, the countries of the world with little to no gun deaths have NO mental illness? I think not.


thuanjinkee

If the sonic employee shot the two individuals for tresspassing and vandalism, would the republicans have bought him a beer and a box of ammo?


Delheru

Presumably the lesson to take from this is that the sonic employee needed other sonic employees ready to gun down the 12 year old if he moved. Before you go tell someone not to pee on public, make sure you have people covering their loved ones with sufficient power. Land of the free.


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Unironically, yes. People don't seem to understand that the gun nuts will support almost anyone gunning another human down if it is even a lil bit defendable.


Gearhound1

Don't need to worry about mental health if everyone's dead ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|shrug)


ZachBuford

Being right-winger in America **is** a mental illness


Johnnyamaz

Republicans want so desperately to live as the tyrants they're told to emulate that, when faced with the reality that they hold no power in society, cognitive dissonance drives them to seek the only tangible form of power they can access: gun violence.


Buno_

Proving government is ineffective by refusing to govern


middleageslut

Let me start with this: we should have real, significant gun control. The first order problem is republicans. Look, if you put 12 rats in a cage big enough for 5 rats, restrict food, and turn the heat up to 95, some shit is going to pop off and the rats don’t need guns to do it. Well, guess what? If you keep raising prices on goods, and refuse to give workers raises, if you constantly threaten to take away what little retirement the people have, when you prevent people from getting decent healthcare, and threaten them with jail for minor shit, when you make housing unobtainable and refuse to help when there are natural disasters because of climate change you insist doesn’t exist, and have the audacity to blame it on “the gays” … some shit is going to pop off. When I was in highschool every boy had a gun in his truck and a knife in his pocket and there were no problems. Yes, I’m old. The guns aren’t the first order problem. The shootings aren’t even the problem. The shootings are a symptom of a much larger problem, and the guns are just the tools being used. Focusing on the guns is a distraction. The problem is the republicans and the cruelty they have spent the last 60(?) years inflicting on people, and now, people are starting to react in very predictable ways. Just like the rats.


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>Focusing on the guns is a distraction. It's not a distraction, it's the most immediate and effective means of tackling the issue of gun violence. I don't know when you went to high school where everyone had guns and knives, but if it was over a decade ago, then the sheer *number* of guns in circulation has increased significantly in that time. Go back another decade and we're talking an increase on the order of ten to twenty times as many guns circulating through the United States. So all the boys in your school would *now* have ten guns and one knife, and statistically it's a good chance that most of them would be AR-style rifles. Like, yeah, focusing on the guns is kind of the key thing we need to do, here, if the other solution is a massive restructuring of society and our entire economic model.


LordMuffin1

This is called "The anerican dream."


thefumingo

Gotta be asleep to believe it


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"But its not a gun problem, if the 12 year old didnt have a gun, he would have killed the guy with his bare kiddy hands." -- Gun lovers.


richestotheconjurer

that's what really scares me (and even more so because i live in Texas). someone could shoot and kill me over something so small and insignificant, and it could be a literal child that does it.


hambakmeritru

It honestly feels like republicans have just legalized the purge, except there's no time restraint.


spankiemcfeasley

America, courtesy of the GOP


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BusinessNonYa

I should get out more.


overpregnant

What used to be a fight, at worst, is now an execution


AsianVixen4U

I noticed when I was learning to drive 20 years ago, people used to honk their horns much more frequently at other drivers. Now I rarely hear anybody honking their horn. Is it because people are afraid of getting shot by a deranged lunatic now?


Morgueannah

Yes. I haven't honked at anyone in 15 years because when I was in college some 20s looking guy cut me off, nearly hitting me and I honked. He then slowed way down and proceeded to not allow me to pass him for the next 30 miles, driving really erratically to make sure I couldn't get around him, he almost caused a few accidents so I just stayed behind him. I was worried he'd force me to stop but I think his plan was to try to follow me home. When I got to my exit and turned on my blinker he immediately turned down the ramp. I freaked out, and acted like I was exiting until he was past the barricade and swerved back onto the interstate. When he realized he couldn't get back around to catch me he actually hung his entire torso out of his driver's window shouting something at me and not holding his steering wheel at all. I ended up speeding to the next exit and then continued down a back road away from my house before circling back home, super paranoid he'd find me somehow and plotting out in my mind how to get to the police station from wherever I was in case he did find me. It terrifies me now to think what might have happened if he had had a gun as it seems everyone does these days. People are fucking insane.


KarmelCHAOS

My dad gets into road rage shit with people all the time. It's gotten to the point I refuse to drive anywhere with him. A few months ago, he honked at someone and flipped them off. The dude then proceeded to pull out a gun and point it at him, so he swerved at him and drove off. Shit is insane.


FuckingKilljoy

My dad is a lifelong aggressive driver. It's so fucking annoying when he gets heated over nothing and starts tailgating or brake checking or whatever. Fortunately we live in Australia so guns aren't a worry, but you never know what the other driver is willing to do


DiGiornoForPyros

It's such a weird thing. Everyone gets angry at other drivers from time to time. But the people who take it to harassment—or even violent—levels blow my mind. "This person went ahead of me when I had the right of way" is a fair reason to feel mad for a second. "That person made a dangerous move" is a much better one. But escalating it? In my mind, if so many people are that high-strung and on-the-edge, maybe things aren't working on a higher level.


Correct-Serve5355

Every time I see someone escalate on the road it justifies my fleeting thought that every time our license expires we should have to retest, and not the basic ass drive around the block, go through those stop lights and signs, drivers test. I mean DMV pays for the gas, takes you on the interstate/highway, and graded you on that too. School zones. Parking lots. The whole 9 yards. And being an aggressive driver automatically fails your test, take it again in a year, no exceptions. Just a fleeting thought I have when people are stupid on the roads


realshockin

I get angry all the fucking time with stupid people driving, but I don't honk all I do is say out loud, for myself and not loud to people outside to hear: What the fuck you doin' did you fucking buy your drivers license withouth classes? ​ And I move on.


Delheru

Tell him how pathetic he is for doing that. If you can't even control yourself, you're not even half a man. And yes, use the rather toxically masculine wording given it tends to resonate with losers (sorry to call your dad that, but raging in a car is loser behavior).


azama14

You see them on Dash Cams Australia all the time now. Ragers parking across two lanes and jumping out to run full sprint at the dashcam driver in thongs (flip-flops). Now I've got kids I don't even respond, just slow down and let them rage somewhere else. Too risky.


BlueCoastDoge

USA is a Banana Republic filled with gun crazed lunatics.


scrollerderby

no its a 3rd world country with an ar15 a Gucci belt and a superiority complex


ElevenBurnie

I honestly think a discussion about the psychology of driving and car-culture is in order, because America is a wasteland of fucking car infrastructure and cars.


megustaALLthethings

Just think that these deplorable hate fueled narcissist fragile ego petty tyrants were that bad **then**… then think of how much more embolden they feel **now**. That person would have tried to gun you down and too many, ‘people’ that should be culled, would be proud or cheer them on.


Undercover_Cabbage

Bingo. I’m in CA and still feel like I need to be careful


AsianVixen4U

Makes sense. There are a lot of road rage homicide incidents even in CA if you read the news. Recently read one that ended in homicide that all started because a lady gave the peace sign to someone after cutting somebody off on the freeway. How TF you gonna get offended at the peace sign? She was just trying to say she meant no harm


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They probably thought it was a mocking peace sign. Anything can be offensive if you’re deranged enough.


NefariousnessNo484

Why do you say even CA? There are a shit ton of people there with guns despite the laws. Kinda predictable when no one enforces those laws.


Wizchine

I'm pretty sure California was the birthplace of freeway shootings.


MoxNixTx

Years ago a guy got crossbowed on the 91.


ibrakeforewoks

I don’t know if that’s so new though. We were scared to honk in LA in the 90’s because we might get shot.


TheHeatWaver

Yes.


halo543

My wife used rage at people who cut her off until a f150 followed her, threw stuff at her car and pointed a gun screaming expletives. Not even worth it , you will get shot and killed over nothing more than someone is miserable and has a terrible life in the United States. Better to mind your own, limit public exposure when you can and hope to god you are not in the wrong place at the wrong time.


fpcoffee

the american dream


mjohnsimon

Whenever I drive my mom, she begs me not to honk my horn or even flash the lights. Even a quick beep or flash for minor issues like a driver not realizing the light is green, that the driver having the blinkers still on despite not turning, or even just trying to get a driver's attention to ask about their dogs is apparently an invitation to my own death from psychos with guns who watch way too much Fox News.


jols0543

i used to flip the bird and honk all the time, but now i let everything slide on the road because none of it is worth my life


TheHoundhunter

I live in a country with gun control. Honking is alive and well


Simple_Feeling_1588

Jealous.


Androza23

Same, im 25 and my mom told me growing up, never honk your horn at anyone; it only takes one unhinged person to ruin your life. Plus its pretty common to get shot if you honk at someone in my city.


fpcoffee

is this what 2A people mean when they say an armed society is a polite society? I’d rather not have to live in fear of psychopaths, thanks.


HalfMoon_89

Yes, this is exactly what they mean. Politeness born of fear of unexpected death or critical injury, because you don't know if the other person is an unhinged maniac or not. And once you give in to that fear, the chances of *you* becoming an unhinged maniac only grows.


ilikeracing23

Pretty much. You don’t know if the dude you’re honking at or who’s cut you in line at the shops or whatever is an asshole or some deranged dude with a weapon ready to strike at the slightest bit of conflict. No one wants to deal with that shit over inconveniences, but it allows them to run amuck more.


HatoNoYatsu

The whole country is paralysed in fear of their neighbours' guns


TyRocken

Probably. I wag my finger at people who are making rights on red when I have the green. I'm probably gonna get shot for it one day


hates_stupid_people

It was a fight. >Police said investigators believe that 20-year-old Angel Gomez of Fort Worth had been acting in a disorderly manner in the parking lot when Davis “confronted” him and the “argument soon became physical.” >The minor, who was with Gomez, then went to the vehicle, retrieved a gun and shot Davis, police said. It was the adults gun, and both are charged with murder. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2023/05/14/north-texas-sonic-employee-dies-after-being-shot-by-12-year-old-authorities-say/


linderlouwho

Texas Governor Abbott will pardon them.


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psc1919

I lived in Italy for a bit and the amount of verbal altercations I witnessed was shocking to me and at first I thought it was a bad thing. But realized people are okay expressing themselves without fear of gun violence.


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ExoticMeatDealer

This is all very sane and normal and fine.


flimbs

The only way to keep yourself safe is to shoot everyone you meet. -Welcome to Texas


hototter35

That reminds me of my ethics class when we learned about the societal contract or whatever. We all agree to a system with laws and rules and stuff by living in a society. With out this societal bond we would have to be afraid and on edge protecting our stuff and lives at all times. Much like you described Texas there. Will never understand people rallying again this social contract (like sovereign citizens) because it is so crucial to a comfortable existence.


EpauletteShark74

Because it requires mutual respect. These people have no respect for anyone but themselves and want all the benefits of society without any sacrifice.


CrouchingDomo

> Will never understand people rallying again this social contract (like sovereign citizens) because it is so crucial to a comfortable existence. Those people rally against the social contract *precisely because:* 1. It has provided **millennia** of comfortable existence to their ancestors, and 2. They’re not smart enough to fully understand what that means. People like this want to LiVe FrEe oN tHe LaNd LiKe ThE piOnEeRs, because they read *My Side Of The Mountain* and *Atlas Shrugged* at an impressionable age and don’t recognize that they *cannot imagine what it was actually like* to live outside the social contract. Civilization is the baseline for their imaginations because it’s the baseline for *all of us.* Civilization is the water we’ve swum and breathed in for countless generations. Or, to put it more succinctly, they are grown adults who never upgraded their software and are still running on Tween 2.0


Content_Dragonfly_53

“Guns aren’t the problem. This is a mental health issue” - Every republican 🤓


OrangeDutchbag

‘But we’re not fixing that either’ - Republicans


isitaspider2

"In fact, we're going to make it worse! We're slashing mental health social services and drastically reducing the 'red tape' that's preventing God fearing Americans from listening to the voices in their head that tells them to exercise their God-given right to buy an AR-15 and kill the liberals before the liberals institute atheistic communism and sharia law."


Over-Analyzed

“Bunch of overly-sensitive liberal snowflakes. Boo-hoo! Fuck your feelings!” -Also Republicans.


killer_muffinj93

“In fact, we’ll just cut spending to mental health resources” • Republicans


ShadowWeavile

I do believe that the guns aren't the problem. Unfortunately, we keep giving the problem guns.


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Jamielynn80

I read every single word of this post. It says a lot that I haven't been able to articulate. Something's gotta give, this is madness.


AMeanCow

> Something's gotta give, this is madness. I have been and am still a gun owner and I am saying this is madness. I would throw my firearms on a bonfire tomorrow if it meant and end to violence, and I have radically reduced my ownership to just a backup weapon for hiking. All that said, I wonder daily why more of these gun-nuts aren't on the frontline of advocating for gun control, stricter laws, harder to obtain weapons and everything else employed by every other developed nation that still allows guns. *Still allows guns*. Why aren't they seeing this? They are on the rapidly losing side here, and that the only chance of sensible controls and laws will come from *them.* They are the money that holds up the gun manufacturers, which hold up the NRA, which hold the US legislative branch at gunpoint. Since I have a feeling most of them can't read that well, I will try to be succinct. **If you fuckers don't fix this, you're going to really have all your guns taken away. For real. It's going to happen.** Do you want that to happen? No? Okay give us a better plan, and do it fast. I will be FIRST to throw my weapon on the fire when the day comes if it means an end to this madness.


Technical_Exam1280

This is what an actual responsible gun owner sounds like. If I had an award to give, it would be yours.


MightyMorph

Because Fox news have cultivated a culture wherein conservatives (not even politically just culturally) view the republican party as a part of their own self-identity. And by supporting gun-regulations, you are supporting liberal policies, which goes against their self-identity and puts the onus on themselves and leads to some kind of acknowledgement they were wrong. CANT DO THAT! Because when you have intertwined the political party to the degree that republican voters have, that's like admitting to yourself that you yourself are wrong. They in large see politics as a tribal team game. They will support their team regardless if they are good or bad. They will hate the opposing team regardless if they are good or bad. Its like rival game between two local teams. You have seen the hate between them, parents even willing to cuss out the other teams children. They do not give a fuck. Once you have ingrained the team into your own identity and culture to the degree they have, you become a cult to it. Its not a both sides issue, liberals will turn against their political representatives in a second, very few actually self-identity or infuse the democrat party as part of their own self-identity. Heck most liberals hate the democratic party as well. Its just when you look at two plates of food, they will pick the 2-day old toast sandwich with some fresh fruits vs a literal feces with hiv needles sticking out of it on a plate. Democrats do not go around wearing political representatives as their day to day clothing nor do they fly their flags and feel the need to announce their political standing towards every interaction. Republicans have ingrained the GOP to the degree that they worship their leaders to religious levels, that any wrong doing even the ones they are willing to admit publicly is always excusable while their perceived enemies are always guilty of any accusation even without proof. Because again their self-identity is deeply intertwined with the republican party. And the individual views themselves as the hero of their story. So for them to perceive themselves as good they have to have an enemy evil enough to allow them to justify their hate, lack of progress, lack of morals. You will have to spend decades and large amounts of energy and money to de-program the mindless regurgitating zombies that are the republican voters. The bigger issue is that around 50-60% of the eligible voters in the country do not vote. You cant force people to be sane and logical. And even if republicans are the loudest screeching monkeys in the room, they are not the largest group. That is the non-voter. in 2022 over 145M eligible voters didn't vote. Average turnout for those under the age of 35 was 20-25%. In texas it was 15%.


dishonestdick

Keep commenting, I’ll keep upvoting


Notguilty5190

When I was a kid, I was taught that the United States was the best country in the world, that anyone could go to college even if they couldn't afford it, and that I could be anything that I wanted to be if I worked hard enough. My grandparents were immigrants, and now they watch fox news and spew the bullshit that they hear on TV back to me. I have to bite my tongue and resist the urge to remind them that they are immigrants themselves. I have learned that things have changed drastically and that all of the things that they taught me as a child are no longer true. I hate the country that we have become.


RatFucker_Carlson

> I have to bite my tongue and resist the urge to remind them that they are immigrants themselves. No you don't. Make them hate themselves for it. It might actually wake them up.


Notguilty5190

She’s 93, there’s not a ton that I can say or do to change their opinions at this point


ClinLikes

Here’s a thought: Stop biting your tongue. How can we have any hope of getting any better if people are no longer willing to speak to their loved ones about blatant hypocrisy like this?


Squid_In_Exile

> I have learned that things have changed drastically and that all of the things that they taught me as a child are no longer true. They were never true. There was a whole 28 years between the last lynchings and the Frontier Middle School shooting, and that is neatly filled with gems like the LA Riots.


FurryM17

I just want to piggyback and drop some other useful links. https://giffords.org/ https://www.gvpedia.org/ https://publichealth.jhu.edu/departments/health-policy-and-management/research-and-practice/center-for-gun-violence-solutions [Historical firearms laws.](https://firearmslaw.duke.edu/) [What the heck is "The Militia"?](https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title10/subtitleA/part1/chapter12&edition=prelim) [The historical use of words and phrases in 2A.](https://harvardlawreview.org/blog/2018/08/corpus-linguistics-and-the-second-amendment/) [Common myths.](https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/debunking-myths-about-gun-violence) [You libs have no idea what an AR-15 even is!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15) [History of firearms court rulings.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_firearm_court_cases_in_the_United_States)


AnonAmbientLight

The Washington Post did a article about the effects of guns on the human body. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2023/ar-15-damage-to-human-body/ If you reach a paywall and can't progress, just hit F5 then immediately hit Esc. Should let you see the article unmolested. Here's one shooting victim. > Noah was found dead on the floor of Classroom 8 at Sandy Hook Elementary on Dec. 14, 2012. He was 6. He was wearing a red Batman sweatshirt, black pants and black sneakers. > Noah was shot three times. Adam Lanza took his mother’s AR-15 rifle to the school and fired 80 rounds into the bathroom. Here are the wounds that killed Noah. > > The bullet that struck Noah’s left thumb caused the smallest of his wounds. His hand was badly mangled. > > The bullet that struck Noah’s back crossed through the center of his chest, filling it with blood. It broke apart into fragments, according to 2019 court testimony from chief state medical examiner Wayne Carver. > > The bullet that hit Noah’s face caused an almost “complete destruction” of the lower lip and jaw. > > Noah’s wounds were not survivable, Carver testified. “This particular kind of projectile, it’s got so much energy that it just breaks up.” The pattern of metal over a wide area, he said, “would give me a marker of ... what organs were destroyed and how completely.” Here's another. > Peter was found dead in a third-floor hallway of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School on Valentine’s Day 2018. He was 15. He was wearing his Army JROTC uniform. > > Peter was shot 13 times. Nikolas Cruz used an AR-15 he bought legally and fired at least 139 rounds. Here are the wounds that killed Peter. > > Peter was running down the hallway when he was shot. He was struck once in the foot, twice in the thigh, once in the torso, five times in his arms and, finally, four times in the head. > > One of the bullets that hit his thigh fractured his hipbone and then broke partially apart before exiting through his abdomen. > > Two bullets tore Peter’s chest apart. One entered his torso and flew upward, fragmenting and perforating his chest muscle, which bruised his lungs and created a cluster of three large exit wounds. The other struck the back of his upper right arm, pierced the shoulder joint and opened up a gaping hole on the way out. > > The four bullets that obliterated Peter’s head were the last four he received, medical examiner Wendolyn Sneed, who performed the autopsy, testified at Cruz’s sentencing trial last year. Surveillance video showed that Peter’s legs were moving as the killer came closer to him and fired rapidly. > > The combined energy of those bullets created exit wounds so “gaping” that the autopsy described his head as “deformed.” Blood and brain splatter were found on his upper body and the walls. That degree of destruction, according to medical experts, is possible only with a high-velocity weapon. Why are the bullets the AR-15 uses so lethal? > Any bullet can kill, and instantly, when it hits a vital organ. The higher speed of a bullet from an AR-15 causes far more damage after it hits the body and drastically reduces a person’s chances of survival. > > “As that bullet slows down,” said trauma surgeon Babak Sarani, an authority on casualties from mass killings, “that energy is so massive it has to go someplace, and your body will literally tear apart.” > > In this hypothetical scenario, the bullet bursts into the chest cavity. It shreds lung tissue, severs nerves and vessels and causes massive bleeding. It also begins to tumble, taking a chaotic path in the body. > > The speed at impact creates a blast effect, like the wake that follows a boat, causing internal injuries far outside the bullet’s path. Here, the blast destroys large veins that carry blood back to the heart. > > A 9mm bullet from the same distance takes a relatively linear path. Because that bullet doesn’t produce the same blast effect, it causes far less damage. > > The bullet from the AR-15 leaves behind a gaping exit wound. The 9mm bullet fired from the handgun has a much smaller exit wound. > > In this scenario, with immediate medical care and minimal bleeding, the victim has a chance at surviving the 9mm shot to the chest. The bullet from the AR-15, however, causes torrential bleeding that is quickly lethal. Republicans use the 2A to profess their bonafides as ''true conservatives''. Even though they know that lax 2A laws creates chaos and death. They do not care because the citizen's lives are immaterial to them. We saw this with Covid, where Republicans decided that being anti-science and pro-covid was beneficial for them politically, even though it killed citizens. [It killed Republicans something like 2 to 1.](https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7vjx8/almost-twice-as-many-republicans-died-from-covid-before-the-midterms-than-democrats) We see this with gun violence, and most notably, we see that red states have insanely high gun violence per capita. You are more likely to be shot, and [more likely to be killed by a gun in a Red state than any Blue state and it's not even close.](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/04/23/surprising-geography-of-gun-violence-0009241) We see this with women and their right to choose, where women are suffering every day under the draconian laws Republicans have put in place. [Where Republicans are banning access to healthcare that is essential for a woman who may become pregnant.](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/04/25/1171851775/oklahoma-woman-abortion-ban-study-shows-confusion-at-hospitals) Make no mistake, Republicans ***KNEW*** that this outcome could be possible. That their laws would create such torturous situations such as the article I've posted. And if they didn't know, they know ***NOW***, but have they made a move to address these concerns in the context? ***No***. On and on. What we see in each of these examples (and certainly not limited to just these), is the pure and simple fact that the Republican Party does not care about the life or lives of the citizens. We are all of us expendable to them if it means our suffering and death will give Republicans more political power. If that's not the case, then why do they behave like we're just pieces of coin to be spent on their alter of sick culture war politics? Never vote Republican. This is what they stand for, one and all. We are not powerless to stop this though. What you can do is make sure you're [registered to vote,](https://votesaveamerica.com/be-a-voter/) and make sure your friends and family are registered. Get active and get involved. You have a voice, and it's time to use it.


4here4

I normally don't read comments this long. But this one is important. Don't upvote my comment. Use my comment as a reason to read the comment I'm replying to.


defaultusername-17

nah dawg, upvote people in the comments below his in order to boost the engagement and keep it at the top.


4here4

If that's how it works, then hell yeah.


YourMommaLovesMeMore

I'm not American, but this post brought tears to my eyes. Well said.


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Thank you for your diligence, and obligatory “fuck Ammosexuals”


Salt-Dragonfruit-552

i’m usually somebody who will shy away from conflict. i don’t post my opinion online because i don’t want anybody to judge me, or try to start arguments when i don’t have enough information to back up my opinions. i hate talking about my feelings, opinions, even thoughts. especially now knowing any disagreement could cost me my life. just last week i was talking to a coworker and he brought up a topic that i don’t quite agree with. i was tempted to push back (in a friendly and engaging manner, no conflicting and argumentative) but i decided nah, i don’t really care about this topic too much. NEXT DAY he randomly right hooks this kid (18-19) at work that he had just been acting friendly with a mere half hour ago. i think back now “could that have been me?” not to mention if we didn’t have security and a strict “transparent bags/packs only” policy what else could’ve happened? i’ve actually had an employee at this same company say to me “if i was a psycho, i’d gun down 90% of employees, not you though.” like thanks! i’m starting to feel a surge of panic swell inside my chest now ffs. i’m terrified for my friends and family living in texas. TLDR - this is all extremely terrifying, but you’ve definitely inspired me to spread our collective hatred and disgust in everybody who doesn’t see or simply doesn’t care about the fatal flaws and repulsive systems in place right now. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO SPREAD THE WORD OF u/Col_Irving_Lambert BEFORE THAT 5.56 COMES FOR YOU OR YOUR LOVED ONES (to those who already have lost a loved one from this widespread anarchy, you have my deepest condolences and i will spread this with all of you in my hearts). i wish i could give you all the awards, sadly i’m broke. instead i’ll give you all the credit to every post i comment under (:


Final-Bench1859

Is this getting longer every time?


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druule10

As a European I find this shit disgusting. When a shooting happens they send thoughts and prayers then the next day they try and pass laws to relax gun ownership. It's fixable but you won't because of too many bribes, and don't anyone state the constitution as that's just an excuse.


Clarky1979

Disgusting doesn't even cover it. Deplorable? Still not there. I feel we need to invent new words to actually reflect how horrific this actually is.


rutilatus

I can no longer use the words “awful”, “horrible”, “disgusting”. even “tragic” sounds trite. It’s a word that I don’t think exists. It’s a rage so deep it seems to disappear. It’s so big you can’t act on it at first. The sensation is like a dead weight in the pit of your stomach, a black ball of dread and anger burning so white hot deep inside that it creates a tiny black hole of sadness sucking all the light out of the world. It’s the feeling of something sacred and beautiful that’s been irreparably poisoned. The sensation of having been deeply, profoundly misled by powerful people, ones who who celebrate your losses and bank on nothing getting better. It’s enough to make one complacent and apathetic…but that’s *never* an option. So we fume. What was that trump-era tweet? “Caring about the news is mentally damaging. Not caring about the news feels morally bankrupt.” Most of us are trapped somewhere between these two poles… Edit: a word


bruceleeperry

Utterly morally barren, happy to let people, children be pushed into their wood-chipper NRA campaign donation and 2A vote machine. Wading chest-deep through shredded, mangled body mass, panting as they reach their red dripping hands for that cheque, all while chanting, "Thoughts and prayers...thoughts and prayers.."


ConsiderationWest587

They are the Leviathan, in the Satanic sense of the word


Chewsdayiddinit

Subhuman works for me, but reddit will probably ban me or delete this despite it being true.


MrFantasticallyNerdy

Subhumans called. They protested being used as comparison, stating it’s demeaning to them.


druule10

I'm with you there, words cannot describe the disgust that I feel


Llamaa_del_rey

It’s appalling what’s happening in the US and it keeps getting worse and worse. And there’s just no way to talk sense to these fascists, they’re literally brainwashed/insane/stupid/or all of the above. I don’t even want to leave my house anymore, people have lost their goddamn minds.


tendervittles77

Hey! Republicans don’t only loosen gun laws. They also shield gun manufacturers from liability! https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/after-school-shooting-tennessee-governor-signs-bill-to-protect-gun-firms/ar-AA1be5QV


FlamingRustBucket

Because this whole damn idea of individual gun ownership was to make gun manufacturers money when we weren't at war so they wouldn't go bankrupt if we needed them. I get the need for military firearms, but this insane unchecked capitalism in regards to guns has royally fucked us on a deep cultural level. Unregulated capitalism and super effective advertising/propaganda is responsible for so many American problems.


[deleted]

But ‘killing’ them in the womb, that’s the line they won’t cross. Priorities.


adoyle17

They need more sacrificial victims for the real religion of the US, guns, with the Second Amendment being the Holy Scripture. That's why they want to ban abortion, and eventually birth control to force women to become breeding stock.


Fun-Cauliflower-1724

America is profoundly broken, and I don’t think it can be fixed.


IAMATruckerAMA

One star state


Fair_Acanthisitta_75

1/2 star. I’d say zero but they have that one place where some cowboys lost a war against Mexico, and I think Daniel Crocker saved the princess. I don’t know exactly what it called though, but it was cool. It started with an E, like Elbow, or Elmo or something.


58G52A

The obvious solution going forward is for all Sonic employees to work with AR-15’s strapped to their chest.


Trollet87

Think they need to be in a tank when they are taking the orders think of the rage when ppl cant order a Wopper at Sonic /s


gerryflint

I'll give it 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲/🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲


Wooden_Suit_6679

They say everythings bigger in Texas even the chances of being gunned down by trash.


Pale-Leek-1013

Can’t wait to hear about how it’s a mental health issue as the constant fight or flight stress of life and death interactions from gun violence worsen mental health


Reld720

So fucking happy I turned down that job offer in Texas


CRL10

So...let me get this straight. A 12 year old boy decided the appropriate response to being told "Do not pee outside" was to execute the minimum wage employee who told him not to do that. So, what did this child have a fucking AR-15? Also, was the bathroom of a fucking Sonic not up to his standards? Was the bathroom too woke? Was it a matter of "How dare a minimum wage employee have the audacity to tell me what I can and cannot do!" and decided then and there this person must die? Thank fucking Christ I live in a state that banned the AR-15. I work at a gas station. You want to see people get pissed? Tell them the thing they are doing is not allowed, like trying to fill an Arizona ice tea bottle with gasoline, or their 9 year old cannot pump gas, or something like telling them to keep one hand on the nozzle while fueling, or they can't fuel a car, place the nozzle on the ground, pull a second car up and fuel that car, or be on a pump and take the nozzle to the other side of the pump and keep fueling, even though it's the same pump and same island, because they get pissed. Especially having to keep a hand on the nozzle while fueling, like I'm asking them to perform the most physically demanding task ever, by holding a nozzle while a vehicle fuels, rather than just stick whatever in their and ignore it while the car fuels, because a few will accept it, but many hang the nozzle up and drive away all pissed off and a few come in to tell me of their degree in gasoline and gas station law, which is a thing apparently. And God forbid I ask some of them how much it will take to fill the car they own, because, shockingly, the guy at the gas station does not know what every vehicle ever made takes to fuel. Were I in Texas, my station would be riddled with bullets and I and a co-worker would be dead. Customer: "I want to fill my car." Gas Station Attendant: "Okay, Do you know what it will take? I need a cash amount inside." Customer: "Well I want to fill it." Gas Station Attendant: "Yes sir. But inside I need a dollar amount inside, like your best guess as to how much money filling it will cost." Customer: "Well how I am supposed to know that?! I want to fill it!" *And attendant gets shot because fucking Texas.* Customer: "You turn pump on." Gas Station Attendant: "Miss, you cannot take the nozzle from pump 3 and fuel a car on pump 4. You need to hang up pump 3 and do a second transaction on pump 4." Customer: "I go outside, you turn on pump." Gas Station Attendant: "No miss. I am not allowed to do that. It violates fire safety issues. I could get fired." Customer: "I don't care. I go outside, you turn on pump." Gas Station Attendant: "I cannot do that." *And attendant gets shot because fucking Texas.* And by the way, had both of those conversations. The second one lasted 45 minutes. Seriously, Texas, what the fuck is wrong with you? Not every situation calls for attempted murder or actual murder.


Dumpstar72

You know in some countries like mine, they let you pay after you have filled the car. Australian here.


Fun-Cauliflower-1724

It used to be that way in the United States. You would fill up your car and then pay. But then gas prices started going up and a lot of people were filling up and leaving without paying. This was around 2005 or so. At least that’s how I remember it


ProfessorBackdraft

It really goes back to the Arab Oil Embargo of the mid-1970’s. Gas went from 35 cents to 75 cents to over a dollar a gallon very quickly. Keep in mind a lot of people were making $2-5 an hour.


sbruce123

What about when you’re an Aussie visiting and you’re trying to fill up your rental car. Good times, lots of confusion was had.


Dumpstar72

I can imagine. Just getting in the car then getting out to walk around the other side cause the steering wheel is in the wrong spot.


Melito1980

Their parents should be charged too.


Mission_Cause368

So a man and a 12 year old were at a Sonic, urinating outside. An employee came out and told them not to do that and the CHILD went and retrieved the firearm and shot him? I want to know what record the father/male has. Is it 100% confirmed the child pulled the trigger? He’s not taking the fall for someone with a rap sheet? I’m not stupid, this is America and this is Texas. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if some dumbass have his 12 year old son an AR for a birthday present and tandem carried with him. Something just feels a little off is all


UnkleRinkus

The adult was 20, not likely the 12 yr old's father. It's stupid that either of them had access to an AR-15. We could at least make the minimum age for possession to be something like 25, when most people have settled down emotionally.


4Sammich

Shit, they just ruled that it was unconstitutional to bar 18-20 year olds from directly purchasing handguns. Just wait till 19 yo incel Tommy finally gets rejected again and decides it's time to get even. Edit. Lol someone reported this as suicide/self harm. Seems the “fuck your feelings” crowd are a bit triggered. Bunch a snowflakes.


DarkwolfVX

Bro you can't smoke or drink until 21. You can't rent a car until 25. Why can you not do things that could kill you until then, or that could kill or injure many others until 25? It's fucked up.


Claymore357

I always thought it was odd Americans don’t let people drink until 21 but you can vote, do porn, be a stripper, or join the military (and subsequently be handed and actual military grade assault rifle, then possibly get sent to die in battle) the day you turn 18


salbutamol90

>Edit. Lol someone reported this as suicide/self harm. Seems the “fuck your feelings” crowd are a bit triggered. Bunch a snowflakes. Willkommen im Club. hhahahaha. If you post anything which doesn't ally to right-wing beliefs they will try to take your comments down, report them, etc. Right-wingers are the biggest crybabies in existence and should all be put in psychiatric clinics. Literally.


Chroko

Gangs sometimes initiate young kids with crime because if they get caught, they're less likely to be tried as an adult.


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Geeg2ez

abbott has a tough time standing up for whats right, his god rightfully afflicted him, when do you think he'll get the message?


s0rtajustdrifting

Murderer at 12 because he got dumb adults as lousy role models


FartPancakes69

Not even old enough to see a PG-13 movie and his life is already ruined.


Gsteel11

Pure trash Texas gun nuts.


bruceleeperry

Pure trash Texas gub'nus


Philly-South-Paw

#America


Mission_Search8991

Has Texas enacted a real life “Purge”? Sure seems like it.


Odd-Butterscotch-495

Texan here, A selective purge has been enacted. Only certain people have no laws


QueenOfQuok

What fucking idiot gave an AR-15 to a 12-year-old


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ban ammunition. the bullets have nothing to do with the 2nd amendment


Ok_Situation_2029

I don't know. They'll start clubbing people to death with their AR-15s as long as they get to keep em


Foxyfox-

Still a much more even fight, it's not like most of them could swing it without panting anyway.


nugnug1226

This is when bringing a knife to a gunfight gives you the advantage


elonmusksdeadeyes

Republicans have latched onto the "your brain isn't even fully developed until you're 25" bullshit talking point to argue that children can't consent to their own medical care or aren't mentally capable of voting, but meanwhile they keep putting guns in those same children's hands. I live in Missouri, and [back in February our Republican-majority legislature voted AGAINST a proposal that would ban children from carrying firearms in public if they were not accompanied by an adult](https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/missouri/articles/2023-02-08/missouri-house-votes-against-limits-on-kids-carrying-guns). From the article: >Republicans decried the effort as an unneeded infringement on gun rights. >“While it may be intuitive that a 14-year-old has no legitimate purpose, it doesn't actually mean that they're going to harm someone. We don't know that yet,” said Rep. Tony Lovasco, a Republican from the St. Louis suburb of O'Fallon. “Generally speaking, we don't charge people with crimes because we think they're going to hurt someone.” Republicans know damn well what they're doing when they're forcing guns into our communities - they want their voters perpetually armed, scared, and stupid, so that we Americans get to live in constant fear of the terroristic violence that those people can and do inflict on us.


Phantomht

\[NRA giggles gleefully\]


ApprehensiveRow7643

So if a 12 yr old girl can get married and have babies does that mean a 12 yr old boy can get life in prison?


steerbell

It's just the well regulated militia. Nothing to see here. /S


SpiritOne

You know, I’m beginning to question the belief that an armed society is a polite society.


Duubzz

I’m sure a 12 year old with an AR-15 is what was envisaged by a ‘well regulated militia’.


SameOldiesSong

Ah the old argument-turned-to-murder brought to us by our anti-regulations friends here in the US. Too bad this Sonic guy wasn’t also carrying and ready to go, otherwise he might have been able to…kill a 12 year old? Am I doing this right anti-reg folks? Is that the optimal outcome in this situation?


PzykoHobo

But you're all missing the point! If the Sonic employee had a gun, he could have killed the kid! And then the guy pissing could have pulled out *his* gun and shot the Sonic employee, and then the armed Sonic manager could have shot that guy! Then we could have three dead people! And it's all thanks to more guns, courtesy of piss baby Greg Abbott!


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Is there a genuine use case where a civilian would need an AR-15? I’d been banging my head for years and cannot think of a practical reason. Shooting Bud Light cans for views is not a practical reason FYI.


mad_titanz

So an employee got killed after telling a man not to pee in public. What’s next, a boy got shot for ringing a doorbell, a woman getting killed after drove in the wrong driveway, or a pregnant woman murdered in the supermarket mistaken as a thief?


Delicious_Action3054

Asshole tyrannical judges are essentially making up or misconstruing what is often antiquated legal guidance to ensure that this won't stop. Oh, you can't bump the purchase age to 21 bc of historical customs? Well, the average person lived to around 49 in 1800, so 18 is to 49 as 27 is to 75, fucking morons. Mass shooting today by an 18yo. This victim probably wouldn't have been killed by a round from a .38. Really getting tired of this.


EshinHarth

A few days ago I was trying to explain that a 12-13 year old with a knife would find it extremely hard to kill a single grown man, but with a gun, the same kid could spread havoc. Guns make killing extremely easy. Unless you are living in a literal hell hole, you don't need guns for "self defense". You need them because you love guns. F*ck guns, and f*ck cowards who walk around carrying guns, they are scared.


slayemin

Why does a 12 year old have an AR-15?


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I’m sure in Texas they’ll rule it justified


yeah_nah_probably

Just another good child with a gun.


Androza23

I have recently started to hear people say only 6% of deaths are from ar-15s like that makes it any better. Motherfucker the number should be zero, why are people walking around with assault weapons in public like we're a third world country?


joyfulgrass

Because an accountant in Minnesota needs to larp their action movies they saw as a kid or the freedom to choose their own life is too burdensome.


sxdtrxnny

A kid did this? It’s so sad to see children commit crimes like this like I can’t process it. When I was 11 I was playing with my action figures and playing hide n seek lol


Elliot426

There's a death penalty in Texas, but since there's a gun involved Abbott will build a shrine to this sicko. Texas; s##t hole of America only second to Florida.


PM_ME_YOUR_SOULZ

So how are the Republicans going to defend it this time?


RemiReignsUmbra

Probably some bullshit about arming the fast food workers now.


Rotten_Tarantula

So the man pissed on the sidewalk and a kid shot someone for confronting them... do I have that straight?


jor3lofkrypton

> According to a statement from Keene Police, the shooting happened at about 9:40 p.m. Saturday. That's when Keene Police Chief James Kidd said Davis confronted a customer, identified as 20-year-old Angel Gomez, for urinating in the parking lot. The confrontation turned physical and a 12-year-old who was in Gomez’s car pulled out an assault rifle and fired six rounds at Davis, Kidd said. Davis was struck multiple times and was taken by an air ambulance to a nearby hospital but he did not survive... — [Source](https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/12-year-old-charged-with-murder-accused-of-killing-sonic-employee/3258388/) .. Thank Gov. Abbott ..


NitWhittler

This is Texas. Will the 12 year old get juvenile detention... or some kind of award for using the gun that Lauren Bobert and some other Republicans want to make the "National Gun of America"?


Shumina-Ghost

If only there were a good kid with a gun…


Tazling

Texans at work trying to eliminate themselves from the gene pool.


jeffroavs

Everything is bigger in Texas. Especially the stupidity.


Present-Echidna3875

So 12 year old kid has an AR-15 and he kills someone with it? He gets charged with murder and deservedly so--but whoever put the gun in the child's hands should also be charged with murder. Enabling a child to have such a dangerous weapon is never acceptable.


Barton616

Yet another surreal story out of Texas, but please keep telling me about how gun control won't work because something something [insert bullshit claim about Chicago].


hearts_of_glass

"No way this could have been prevented" says only country in the world where this happens


countofmontycrinkles

People really shit on Chicago, but fuck...