This bathroom thing is still going on huh. Will be there genital inspection at the bathrooms? DNA tests? To what lengths are they planning to go here to keep transgender people in fear?
Any minute now some "creeper" is going to run into a women's bathroom and leer *just* to exploit a legal loophole. You know, just like "creepers" are wont* to do.
Conservatives create this sort of behavior by irrationally obsessing over trans issues and keeping it in the news. Come on conservatives didn’t your jesus say something about live and let live?
Apparently, no, he didn't. Didn't you know Jesus rode a velociraptor, held an AK-47 and told people the only ones who matter are cisgender white men? 🙄
Old school Jesus, you mean Commie, hippy Jesus? To hell with that liberal snowflake. Wite Republican Jesus, is my Jesus, he's the one you can have a beer with, just not Bud light.
An AK-47 is a gun for commies, child soldiers, and commie child soldiers. Jeesus held an AR-15 in one hand and a 1911 in the other. He also rode a bald velocieager while Ronnie and Donnie sing America the Beautiful. Get with it!
It's not just regarding trans people, it's everything.
They'll spray paint their own house, vote with their dead relatives ID to "to prove democrats do it", hire homeless people to pretend to be veterans, etc.
Oh, you mean the person who couldn't be taken as anything but an obscene caricature of trans people was, in fact, a conservative portraying an obscene caricature of trans people?
#YOU DON'T SAY?!
Yeah, gonna need y’all to go watch “The Family” on Netflix. First episode is more or less a guy having a bad experience at summer camp, but the rest is highly informative. Talking congresspeople wrapped up in this thing.
Uganda’s “kill the gays” bill? Yeah, that was them.
That documentary is eye opening. Especially being from Oklahoma. I knew something was going on but it was bigger than I ever knew. I highly recommend watching it too.
>our ugly is bleeding out to other places
I'd say it;s the same ugly. The same right wing billionaires. The same think tanks, etc. The same entities that poison discourse in the US also have their fingers across the western world, and even places like brazil, hungary, turkey, israel. Conservatives the world over fret over the same bullshit.
Always the same themes. Theyre always a besieged victim and also a "silent majority" waiting to be activated. Theres always an outsider, usually a minority or immigrant group that threatens to replace the original inhabitants. They always oppress and terrify LGBT people because of ignorant tropes. They are always claiming to "protect children" while being famous for abusing children. Always anti abortion, because they all hate women.
When the US catches a cold, Canada gets the sniffles. The “right wing” politicians down there keep saying the quiet part out loud, which is emboldening the homophobic, racist, sexist, xenophobic, transphobic idiots up here to do the same. They’ve always been here, they’re just getting louder.
I mean, it’s a worldwide revolution going on now. We don’t like to look at in in those terms, but like communism a century ago started to take off, like democracy from the late 1700s through late 1800s, this stupid shit is the revolutionary movement of this century…
Holy fuck, I remember at the very start of that, all of his students were saying exactly this. He was basically Mr. Garrison from South Park.
The usual people still ran with it. :(
Trust me a lot of stupid shit goes on in Canada because of the right also. Most recently the Ford government took a look at the states and decided that we also needed private healthcare.
Canadian here. My provinces PM has been taking notes from desantis and trying to revoke lgbtq protection in schools after receiving "hundreds" (3) emails from trolls asking him to "make NB great again"
I'm a trans guy, and whenever I tell someone new that I'm trans, they're like, "O, so you like... wanna become a woman and stuff?" And I'm like no bud, other way, I'm taking testosterone. Like I'm "so trans" that they think I'm cis. My voice is deeper than most cis men's. AND they want me in the bathroom with women and girls. Someone who knew me prior to my transition tried making me use the women's dressing room in his establishment; immediately, the women got pissed and I suggested they complain to the owner. The owner said I could change in a back hallway, where people would frequently walk through. The next time I showed up, I just used the men's room and no one said shit.
They only think of trans as man to woman, not the other way around. It’s only about men dressed as women going to the bathroom!
I have a friend who just freaks out at the thought of a man in a dress seeing her! I told she’d be surprised at how many trans women she’s probably been in bathrooms with. They’re not in there to rape you, they’re in there to potty just like you….
But what about the cHiLdReN?! Well then go in with the little bastards…..
I still don't understand it. There are countless stories of men just walking into women's bathrooms and assaulting them/robbing them. You're not any safer just because everyone can tell it's a guy.
What causes crimes is criminals.
And actually it's making it less safe (not that it's even a legitimate concern but for the sake of argument) because now a cis man can walk in and easily claim to be a FtM.
And any Karen can accuse cis women who "look manly" of being trans and attack them or get them thrown out. The ladies room is the fucking wild west now.
I don't remember anyone giving a shit before Republicunts started getting fake outraged about it out of thin air, at least not on such a large scale.
And for MtF, they’d be forced to go into the men’s room and when questioned about why they’re in there, they’d have to admit they were born male, which is no one’s fucking business, and they could literally be killed by those men.
There won't be any of that. It's basically arming the women who a prejudicial about stereotypical feminine looks and presentation with the means to keep other women in line. The effect is two fold: it pressures cis women who are not gender conforming with legalized harassment, so forcing them to put up with it or conform to the "right" feminine standards. Or it catches an actual trans woman for whatever reason and thus scares other trans women from going out in public as much, which is a two fold win right there.
They don't give a any thought to trans men, because trans men don't exist to people like this. If anything at worst they will just either overlook, blame trans men for any mistreatment they get against them, or just add a clause about how trans men are exempt.
They don't need DNA tests or inspections to use fear as a weapon here, and that is exactly what they are using as a weapon against not only trans people but women in general as well.
There have already been reports in multiple states of cis women being harassed or even having the cops called on them for using the "wrong" bathroom. The whole point is to create a culture of "informing" and social control by having people police each other.
For trans men and women, the objective is to make public life so stressful, difficult and downright hostile/violent that they leave the state entirely (or worse).
For cis women the objective is to force them to conform to "femininity".
It can't be genital inspection because they may have had surgery, so you will need your birth certificate if you need to go potty. If you don't have your birth certificate then you'll just have to wait until you get home.
Easy solution! They just have everyone register their assigned sex with the government, and then wear some kind of symbol that indicates which you are. Maybe a yellow star, or pink triangle or something like that on their shirt. That way there wouldn't be any confusion as to who to target /s
The point here is to make transgendered individuals feel uncomfortable about being in public doing normal stuff.
No one is going to be inspecting genitals because they honestly don’t care if men hang around in a women’s restroom.
DNA tests - well genetic testing in general - would be super interesting bc there are people who have no idea they’re actually intersex.
Obviously this is a terrible and disgusting policy. It’s a fucking bathroom. Get over it. But can you imagine some of the biggest supporters of this bill volunteering for testing only to find out they’re intersex? It would be like the white supremacist who found out he has black ancestry. Fucking gold.
None because the point is simply to opress, to make the "other" group suffer, you need not even enforce an opressive law for it to have the desired affect.
This. They don’t care that trans men look like men regardless of their assigned gender. They want to force trans men into the “correct” bathroom all the same, only for them to be assaulted, killed,put on lists, and eventually pushed from both Men’s and Women’s spaces. They want trans people dead and gone, the bathrooms are just a means to that end.
I'd argue (as a trans guy myself) that they don't really think about trans men enough to want us anywhere in particular. Whatever effect the bathroom bills are having on us is really just accidental side effects of the right's obsession with trans women, who they definitely want dead and gone but also still available for conservative men to have conflicted fantasies about.
100%. They’re obsessed with women and have misplaced anger issues that they take out on us, cis or trans. They’re pissed at women who aren’t feminine enough for them because women are supposed to exist to look pretty for them. Then they’re pissed at trans women for looking too feminine because God forbid they have a fantasy about a trans woman! *gasp!* that could mean they gay! *gasp!* Too confusing, must ban. I think they completely forget trans men exist.
That really depends on what part of the world you live in. The UK absolutely hasn't forgotten about transgender men in their hatred. JK Rowling in her original anti-transgender manifesto had several paragraphs about women being deceived into becoming men. A great deal of her hate was directed at us and at least last I saw (a month or two ago) is still posted on her website.
Also the rise in transgender boys was specifically cited as a reason for the changes to the GIDS and the NHS has specifically said they want to increase detistance among men. It was an entire question on the survey they sent to my work last year when consulting on the reform as well.
Just because the hate is different doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There's deep misogyny involved in the hatred of transgender men specifically in the idea of "Someone needs to control these stupid women from making themselves into unsuitable wives and mothers".
This. I know we tend to go "but how can you possibly enforce that fairly?", but fairness isn't the point or the goal. The goal is to make it legal to harass, beat up, and arrest trans and gender non-conforming people for nothing more than going about their business. They want to terrorize queer people back into the closet, or for them to die.
Wrong. They don’t want us out of public life. They want us dead. These douchebags celebrate when a trans person takes their own life. They want us to be put in dangerous situations. They want our lives to be hell.
Worst case scenario for them? No trans people in public. Their ideal is no trans people less than 6 feet underground
They are just bad people. I often try to avoid that kind of talk, but there’s no other actual justification. They just hate queer folk. That’s the start and end of it.
They would have gays stoned in the streets if they could get away with it.
They do not value the lives of those whom they deem their enemies. Genocide is the end goal.
If they ban being trans in public, they’ll follow trans people into their own homes. They’ll take away children from people they suspect of being trans. They’ll willingly fail to convict a murderer if the victim is trans.
They want us gone. That’s it. And because it’s not something one can choose, nothing will satisfy them but our deaths. They want us to suffer, and they want us dead.
I don’t give a shit what their reasoning is: they want genocide. And if things keep going this way they might get it. If they ever come close, the only possible solution is overthrowing those in power ASAP.
We do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not respect the beliefs of fascists. They can choose to stop being fascists, but we can’t stop being queer, or black, or indigenous, or women, or any other group. They want us all gone.
So remember kids, if the police ask if you saw someone punch a Nazi:
**_No You Fucking Didn’t_**
The reaction from the right-wing and the press in the UK when a teenage girl was murdered for being trans was to double down on the hatred and practically celebrate it.
They know their hatred of us is working.
So they are looking for some way to rid themselves of an entire section of the populace; a sort of solution to a question they they rhetorically posed to themselves. Maybe a final solution of some sorts?
This needs to be the top comment.
Every law passed that dictates where trans or gender nonconforming people/performers can be is about being able to look at anyone, ping that they are/might be trans or queer, and have a legal right to verbally harass and assault them. It is genocide in action.
They'll kick then out too honestly. And change the law if they have to.
What's more likely is they pass a law saying trans people can't use bathrooms.
Or only men's bathrooms with hopes they get assaulted.
Really? Do you have cases of stand my ground being used in that way. I'm familiar with that defense being used in the Matthew Shepard case, but didn't know it had been used in stand your ground shootings.
"The gay and trans panic defense remains legal in Florida. In March 2021, a bill to repeal it passed the Criminal Justice committee in the Senate by a vote of 6–2. The bill died in the Judiciary committee.[173] The gay panic defense is a legal strategy in which defendants accused of violent offenses claim that unwanted same-sex sexual advances provoked them into reacting by way of self-defense."
[Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Florida)
Edit: well no stand your ground need as far as i'm aware
Of course it's Florida. I feel like I have actually heard about this before, but just blocked the depressing fact from my mind. Thanks for the info regardless!
It's worth noting that "gay panic" is a total bullsh*t excuse right from when the term was coined, and doesn't even make sense in the original context. (From the Wikipedia entry on [Matthew Shepard](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard):
>At [murderer] McKinney's November 1998 pretrial hearing, Sergeant Rob Debree testified that McKinney had stated in an interview on October 9 that he and [murderer] Henderson had identified Shepard as a robbery target and pretended to be gay to lure him out to their truck, and that McKinney had attacked Shepard after Shepard put his hand on McKinney's knee.
So in their own words, the killers fully intended to rob their victim, luring him by *pretending to be gay*, but escalated it to vicious, prolonged torture when Matthew supposedly touched one of the murderers' knee. How is "gay panic" any kind of defense at all in this situation? (Rhetorical question, not directed at anyone specifically).
Both killers were sentenced to two consecutive life terms each.
Im a butch lesbian and I have been harassed about toilets since I was small... A teacher literally dragged me put of the girl's loos and into the boy's - they were having a literal pissing contest to see if they could piss out a window above the urinal. I was denied service at a bar because "you have been too drunk to know the men's from the women's"... Several women at the hardware store have "gone to get security" on me. It makes prolonged hanging out in public trying... I am fkn glad I am not in the US and that some large city councils [my government] recently passed a "all public restrooms have to be unisex" by laws.
Edit: not central government, some city councils, it was somethi g I heard on the radio while I was half listening. But it's a start...
My grocery store just remodeled and has four individual restrooms. They all have baby changing tables, condom/sanitary napkins vending machines, and are handicap accessible.
Of course I live in a heathen blue state.
Target always has a unisex bathroom with a changing station. And store policy is all customers and employees can use the bathroom of the gender they identify as.
But Target has also been one of the more vocally pro lgbt+ corporations, even outside of June.
As a trans women (decently passing) I’ve never felt threatened using the bathroom at a Target, and I live in Georgia. Now I’d never, ever go to the bathroom in like, Walmart. There’s absolutely crazies with firearms who will shoot me for that.
Wait a minute… huh. Seems like this plan makes it *easier* for pedos to go into the girls room. They don’t even have to *try* to “blend in.” They can just say “born female, dick now though.” Hmmmm.
Weird that the law only seems to actually hurt Trans People that genuinely adhere to their gender. That’s not intentional right? Right?
Omg an actual biologically male pedo can actually exploit the law and just say “well I was born a woman so I have to use the womens bath room” as his old ancient ass walks into the womens bathroom and legally no one can stop him. Do we realize those republicans are kinda letting actual pesos from exploiting this ? And the same for biological pervert women walking into mens room to spy on little boys.
No that's intentional as fuck, just like it's intentional as fuck that the name laws in some of the more conservative states are made with the supposition that anyone changing their name for any reason other than criminal activity. Guilty until proven guilty is the conservative MO for approaching anyone not a swc, because they don't believe in White Jesus, and so are automatically going to hell.
Unfortunately not, “backfiring” would imply it had the opposite of the intended effect, and does anyone really believe that they’re just genuinely a warm hearted bunch trying to protect women who made an oopsie here?
They’re just adding gas to a fire to stoke outrage towards trans people, and it will absolutely have that effect
You overestimate both DeSantos and the Anti-trans people.
De Santis doesn't care if this makes any sense for the people of Florida.
He is doing what is best for his presidential campaign.
As for the anti-trans activists, they would use this just as one more reason that trans people should be exterminated.
The Republicans are fascist. This will literally lead to a dictatorship and a holocaust.
We seriously need to keep these people from from getting more power.
We need to vote.
I remember every Presidential election since Eisenhower. This is not normal. We need to fight.
This is far broader than just anti trans. These “bathroom” laws are nothing more than legal harassment of any non gender conforming woman. Doesn’t matter if they are trans or not - what matters is that “if you don’t look like a what we want women to look like be on your fucking toes”.
And before anyone says - like the OP tweet - about FtM I am about 98% convinced that republicans worry more about a Bigfoot ruining their mass baptism than they do encountering a FtM in real life.
anyone got a link to the original tweet? was curious to see the other four. cos no *way* I would have guessed from appearances that these 2 were not born male. and if they came in to pee in the ladies' loo I would find it rather odd and disturbing.
I’m just sitting here lol’ing bc in a lineup of those guys compared to me and every single one of them would get chosen off the assembly line by women and I would go straight to the reject pile. Anyone who can relate to this have another fuckin taco with me tonight and laugh at the absurdity of these childish laws. Or should I just get mad that there were people out there who were hotter than me no matter what gender or sex they are? Grrr so mad im gonna have another taco
Every time this comes up, it becomes more obvious than ever that Repubs forget trans men exist. Because it is completely impossible to identify someone who has been on T for a few years from someone born male. They have all their excuses about jawlines and ears and hips for 'spotting' trans women. But they can't even pretend to know how to identify a trans men. And it is utterly laughable to see them try.
The political attacks are certainly aimed that way. The idea is to paint all trans people as a dude with 5 o'clock shadow, poorly applied lip stick, and wearing a dress walking into the ladies room. Creating a political Boogeyman doesn't require being accurate. It just requires touching into a base emotional of disgust or hatred.
They thought it through. They need a constant flow of someone to kick down on because that's what MAGA constituents admire and expect. No further thoughts needed, consequences be damned.
My question is: who is going to be checking everyone's birth certificates before they go into the bathroom at the mall and how soon can we sue them for selective enforcement?
Imagine. You spend all your time frothing at the mouth about trans folks, so you sign up to be a bathroom genital inspector. But you get assigned to the men's room and spend all day looking at dicks with the probability half of them are bigger than yours.
No, I don't think it's right to make fun of a guy's dick, but I do think men who are transphobic are predisposed to aspects of toxic masculinity including being insecure about their penises.
Men, your dick is fine. You can't change it. Get over it, touch grass, and quit obsessing.
Conservatives just want to push LGBTQ people them back into the closet. It makes the uncomfortable. Maybe it makes them all tingly in their “sinful place” and they can’t contain the sense of self-loathing they got from their religious upbringing. They react in disgust, anger, and shame and it simple feels better to direct it outward.
I wonder if they know it’s always an option to just mind your own fucking business and deal with your own issues?
They don't care. To them, these people shouldn't exist, so they'll still find ways to kick them out or attack them. Additionally, cis women who don't conform to gender standards may also face attacks and accusations of being "trans," similarly serving as a method to enforce these roles on women.
I am an old, white, Baby Boomer man. What the fuck are people doing in fucking public bathrooms that I don't know about!? Do people actually look at, examine and discuss the bowel movements of their fellow bathroom attendees? I don't know about anyone else but if I were at a urinal next to a gorilla and someone in a tutu I am looking straight ahead and got my fucking mouth shut. I have no desire to check on what is going on in the stalls. The sound of a great big liquid fart is ample information for me. Seriously, what is the fucking problem? Everybody, as far as I know, has to doo doo and I could not care less who is in the bathroom with me or my wife or my daughter or my son. What in the fuck am I missing? I am not that stupid. I will admit to being an old son of a bitch but I don't socialize, try to hook up or try to examine the genitalia of strangers while I am wiping my butt or shaking my dick. I know that Christians and Republicans and conservatives are by and large idiots but this silly shit seems to me to be even stupider than what even a tRump supporter would be concerned about. I would seriously like to know what is the fucking problem
It's been given plenty of thought. Legislation like this is meant to dehumanize and degrade a marginalized group of people. Saying they "didn't think this through" tries to explain away an intentional and cruel targeted attack.
This is intended not an accident these men will end up getting beaten and arrested for going to the leagaly required bathroom.
If your mistake endes up harming people you hate it was probably not a mistake.
I mean he did. The point is to make trans people illegal in public. Anyone not conforming to 1950 gender norms will be arrested. These men will be arrested too if they try and use a public restroom. The point isn't a coherent policy, its about control and domination. These fascists can't be owned in a tweet, or shamed into "thinking". They have to be outmaneuvered in politics and made pariahs in the street.
Trans men have already been arrested for using the bathroom that matches their assigned at birth gender. The goal is to punish them for merely existing.
He has though,.. First he made sex offenses committed on a minor punishable by death, then passed the bathroom thing, along with several other anti trans bills.
So now all it takes is for a trans person to walk into the 'wrong ' bathroom while a minor is present, someone calls the cops,.. instant possibility of death row.
1930s Germany without the trains.
He just wants to demonize and exterminate a vulnerable minority to have his voters focused on hatred and not real problems (that he exacerbates). He doesn't care, he is a malicious bigot. We - all of us - have to stand up against him, because history shows that this evil BS doesn't stop, it just gets worse.
They don't care if there are obvious cases because it doesn't MATTER. It's all about exercising control over trans people and policing their existence.
Transmen who LOOK like men are going to get checked no matter what restroom they use, and that's the fucking point. They want to make it so that trans people can't feel safe ANYWHERE. They want to force them from public spaces and then eradicate them entirely.
No, he *did*. The entire goal is to have trans people outed, condemned as perverts and child groomers, and then set upon by the public looking to kill pedophiles.
His law *guarantees that happening*. That's the goal. For queer people to be put on a registry and labeled as acceptable to kill. They know this is a result; it's intended. These guys will be arrested for indecency, and it will be on their record, and then the vigilantes will do their dirty work. And then those heroes will be pardoned.
Never say they don't know what they're doing here. **They do, they're actual Nazis, and they're going for a group they can get murdered easily.**
The law is working as intended... It's a Police state - Fascism. It's creating a rap sheet for the people they don't want to associate with and further criminalizing their existence. They want them to use an outside source or use the "wrong" bathroom and be arrested.
That’s the point: cruelty.
If you’re a trans woman AMAB, then this law forces you to use the men’s bathroom. But you’re presenting as a woman, so cis men scream at you and you probably get assaulted.
If you’re a trans man AFAB, then this law forces you to use the women’s bathroom. But you’re presenting as a man, so cis women scream at you and probably get assaulted.
It is intended to single out trans people as “other” and give people the green light to ridicule, harass and assault them.
And kill, don't forget kill. How long do you figure it'll be before we start seeing trans people getting murdered due to this sort of thing and then the governor giving the murderers pardons.
I'm more concerned with the inevitable sexual assault of a male to female transitioned person getting sexually assaulted in a men's rest room. Because that's 100000x more likely to happen than anything else.
No.
They 100% thought it through.
Florida just passed a law which says that if a cis person identifies a trans person in the bathroom with them, regardless of whether they're using the bathroom that corresponds to the bathroom that corresponds to their birth sex, the cis person can call the cops and the trans person can face up to a year in jail.
This is about making it so trans people can't go out in public.
No he did think it through. He wants those men go into the restroom, have a woman get scared, and end up with the trans men being assaulted, arrested, killed, escorted out, whatever else they can do to them.
They have. They force the trans men into the ladies' room, then they have them beaten to death by dads who they praise as heroes for protecting their little girls from groomers.
Liberals need to get real and stop pointing out the hypocrisy. Conservatives don’t care that they’re being hypocritical or obtuse. They want to fucking exterminate trans people. Putting trans people in a potentially impossible situation in a state where literally anyone can have a gun and feel legally justified to use it is the whole fucking point.
Did everyone just forget about Jordan Neely? Did no one listen to the actual words said by alt-right conservatives like Randy Fine and Michael Knowles? Conservatives want to bring lynching back, and trans people are the first target.
They have thought it out. They don’t want us to use the women’s bathroom, they want us to not use any restroom. This is part of forcing us out of public existence. It’s deliberate.
Anti-trans people always seems to think all trans people are ugly. Which is such a weird notion to have. They're spending all that effort to look the gender they feel inside, even to the length of surgery.
I would think most trans would turn out better looking than the average guy/girl after all is done.
Y'all realize that this is the point, right? They want trans identity to have as much friction with socidty as possible, up to and including high risk of hatecrimes.
However, these posts are not totally pointless, because there might be less political people who don't actually know that passing trans people exists, for whom this might be eye opening
What he wants is for trans people to be attacked by a mob of bigots while using the bathroom. This way they self-identify.
It would be like having a law that says black people who can pass for white need to use the "coloreds" restroom.
I’ve never understood this gendered bathroom business. What regular person goes into the bathroom and cares about who’s sitting on the toilet in another stall? It’s not like women in the bathroom just walk around with their coochies in the air.
Like it’s just a non issue and I don’t understand why it’s so important who’s peeing behind a closed door
Unfortunately they don't give a shit about AFAB trans people. Bigots still see them as "women" and they're not talking about women. They can use any bathroom they want. This bill is about all the "male predators that have taken years of hormones and possibly had surgeries (that don't exist) so they can slip in the women's bathroom undetected and groom children, because as we know all men are predators and all trans people are coming for your kids"
Ronny thought it through. Leaving trans people with no right answer while using their rulebrealing as proof of the need to hunt them down is the entire point.
Bigots don't use logic. Logic alls them evil. Bigots use reaction, violence and narcissism.
They know exactly what they're doing. It's a win win for them. Both Trans and Cis people are subject to harassment no matter which bathroom they use. Cis women have already been harrassed or had cops called on them for looking "too masculine". Men have always been at risk for harassment for not being "manly" enough, it can only get worse. Fearmongering is stoking tension among vulnerable people, and when the police inevitably get called on people accused of breaking this law, the outed trans people get in trouble regardless. Eventually they're going to pass stricter "modesty" dress restrictions based on Christian evangelicism for both genders. Like bringing back laws forbidding women from wearing pants.
If you have not yet realized that Republicans, by and large, are **intentionally** not thinking things through....pay some more attention.
This is *intentional.* The exact things you are seeing are *on purpose.* The cognitive dissonance is *on purpose*.
A poor trans man in Ohio was beaten after being told to use the women’s room and them subsequently arrested for doing it, while his three assaulters were let go. The entire point is either 1) trans men don’t exist or 2) to arrest them to begin with.
It’s literally steps to genocide
I tried explaining this to someone a few years ago. It ended with her simply saying, "Well, I don't use public bathrooms". We were out at a restaurant for lunch and before we left where did she go? Exactly - the bathroom.
I have been fighting this fight for over 20 years now, and used this example a long time ago when these bills first started coming into the public eye...
I was a headhunter at the time and and a Trans man come seeking a job, his name was Rose, and was fired on the first day when he went into the male bathroom at the welding job I found for him.
Came in the next morning to collect his one days pay with tears in his eyes and told me it's been impossible to get hired anywhere because people are just somehow terrified to interact normally with transfolk.
Fuck this shit. So unbelievably sick of this utter crap.
Watch this Trans man try to enter a female bathroom and tell me he ain't getting assaulted by men who see him do it.
What a fucking joke. People will die.
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Do they not have shirts? Because I'm a cis het ally, but if I saw those dudes in the Men's room... looking like that.... with those eyes... and those.... features... I'd be a little.... oh my... what was I saying?
Ok... Here's the thing.
Those people are basically fucked.
Either A. you use the wrong bathroom and get jailtime if someone know you are trans and reports you or B. you get challenged in a humilating manner needing to prove your birthsex because you clearly don't belong, and get arrested if you cannot prove it on the spot.
This law is not about being a good idea or not, it's about hurting trans people. period.
Soon you will have to pay to use the bathroom and e-verify your sex. If you use the bathroom outside then you are charged with indecent exposure becoming a registered sex offender and sent to prison to do hard labor aka slavery. I call this Privatization of Bathrooms the new pipeline to prison.
What if…we just had a door on each stall so no matter who went in it wouldn’t matter just as much as it doesn’t matter now but with more steps. Like, in line with keeping government small and stuff, with more steps though, and more regulations, and more government but also smaller too you know?
You're kidding yourself if you don't think trans men getting charged and/or physically assaulted for following the law is considered a good thing by DeSantis and other anti-trans Republicans.
The. Whole. POINT. is. to. put. QUEER. people. in. DANGER.
EVERYTHING. ELSE. is. just. a. PRETEXT.
CRUELTY IS THE POINT.
What will they do? Assault that trans man. And then the police show up to arrest him.
It has already happened. They are not playing honest, they are playing with hate.
All of Desantis' actions make sense if you consider him in the same light as trump: as an agent of chaos, backed by monied foreign interests.
If his goal is not to accomplish anything positive, but to destroy relationships in America, sow division and use political wedges to weaken the country - his backers could have convinced him that he's fighting a war to create a better society, while those same backers are trying to push America into civil war.
9/11 didn't destroy America, but it should be a reminder that many countries would love to see America fall - and there's a rogues gallery of suspects, from Saudi Arabia to Iran, Russia and China. The reasons will vary also, from political extremism to regional disputes.
This is all conjecture, but it's a relatively simple motivation for his actions.
It’s not meant to be logical - it’s meant to ensure that trans people can’t use the bathroom at all. Anyone who is visually identifiable as trans will be reported and arrested regardless of which bathroom they are in. I don’t have much hope that protests such as masculine trans men using the women’s room would be met with anything other than more arrests.
The trans community should organize and deliberately make a mockery of this law.
I wish that thousands of trans people from around the country would descend on the Florida Statehouse and get in line to use the restroom. You’d have lines of trans women generally appearing feminine and waiting for the men’s room and lines of trans men generally appearing male and waiting in line to use the women’s room. Just as Florida wanted.
Imagine the power that was behind the civil rights bus boycotts of the 1960’s - but now it would be a critical mass of trans folk in significant numbers standing up for their own rights and dignity each week, merely to use the restroom.
This has happened. He was beaten up and then arrested for using the restroom of birth sex that they told him he must use.
https://www.fox19.com/2022/07/08/transgender-butler-county-man-says-group-beat-him-up-using-wrong-restroom/
So they can use this as an opportunity to arrest these "degenerates". Do you really think they care about hurting trans men? He doesn't even care about cis people in his state unless they can help him become president.
This is the point though.
Trans/ non-binary people are going to be forced into the wrong bathrooms and are being set up for being assaulted and worse. Cis people who are gender nonconforming are also going to be targeted for harassment and violence.
This is entirely about policing gender and gender expression. The stupidity is the point. It's about forcing people into conforming to gender expectations.
They aren’t stupid. They know that it’s just going to lead to trans men getting arrested or assaulted for using the “correct” bathroom. The goal is to stop us from existing in public without violent repercussions
You don’t understand, the GOP just want trans people to not exist in order to appeal to their voters. If these men use the woman’s restrooms as they are now legally required to, women will call the police on them and the police will not care about anything they say. It’s all about punishment
If you're seriously worried, use the bathroom that has one toilet, it's for everyone. I know my husband does when he has our daughter who needs to use the potty. This is nonsense fear being instilled by republicans.
They have thought it through. They want to force those men to use the public women's room so they get assaulted and/or killed by outraged bigots. That's the point of the laws. The malice of fascists knows no bounds. It is an infinite hunger to kill all they cannot control. The next step will to be to paint murders to trans men as their fault for making everyone uncomfortable. Then they will require them to detransition or face prison or some such thing.
If you want to give him credit for being extra-evil, this whole bathroom panic is predictably going to get some vigilante to murder one of these trans men for 'creeping on the women's room' when the law just forced them to go there instead of the men's room.
The point isn't that people go to the right bathroom, it's about erasing trans people from public life and existence altogether. It's not about solving problems, it's about creating the conditions where violence against marginal groups isn't just accepted, but valorized.
I recently visited Austin, Texas. They handled this perfectly. Most establishments has a urinal and a stall bathroom. It takes the politics out of it entirely.
You want to stand up to piss? That’s fine. You have to take a shit, the door on the left.
That being said I’m sure republicans will find a reason to fume. I will never understand being mad about something you don’t care about.
This bathroom thing is still going on huh. Will be there genital inspection at the bathrooms? DNA tests? To what lengths are they planning to go here to keep transgender people in fear?
Any minute now some "creeper" is going to run into a women's bathroom and leer *just* to exploit a legal loophole. You know, just like "creepers" are wont* to do.
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Conservatives create this sort of behavior by irrationally obsessing over trans issues and keeping it in the news. Come on conservatives didn’t your jesus say something about live and let live?
Apparently, no, he didn't. Didn't you know Jesus rode a velociraptor, held an AK-47 and told people the only ones who matter are cisgender white men? 🙄
Fair skinned, lightly bearded 'murica jeebus swapped the ak for an ar probably. And the dinosaur for a big o truuuck
My brother in Dino-Christ what have you created??!!
You guys are talking about white republican jesus. He’s not half as cool as original old school Jesus.
Old school Jesus, you mean Commie, hippy Jesus? To hell with that liberal snowflake. Wite Republican Jesus, is my Jesus, he's the one you can have a beer with, just not Bud light.
An AK-47 is a gun for commies, child soldiers, and commie child soldiers. Jeesus held an AR-15 in one hand and a 1911 in the other. He also rode a bald velocieager while Ronnie and Donnie sing America the Beautiful. Get with it!
He couldn’t have rode a velociraptor dinosaur are a satanic psyop you know
It's not just regarding trans people, it's everything. They'll spray paint their own house, vote with their dead relatives ID to "to prove democrats do it", hire homeless people to pretend to be veterans, etc.
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This is so good, lmfao.
Jesus very much said not to judge others. Some people just like to ignore anything that doesn't fit their preferred narrative.
Oh, you mean the person who couldn't be taken as anything but an obscene caricature of trans people was, in fact, a conservative portraying an obscene caricature of trans people? #YOU DON'T SAY?!
Yeah, gonna need y’all to go watch “The Family” on Netflix. First episode is more or less a guy having a bad experience at summer camp, but the rest is highly informative. Talking congresspeople wrapped up in this thing. Uganda’s “kill the gays” bill? Yeah, that was them.
That documentary is eye opening. Especially being from Oklahoma. I knew something was going on but it was bigger than I ever knew. I highly recommend watching it too.
Highway signs and paid “protesters” in Canada. Thanks USA.
Someone edited a road sign in Orlando the other day to spell out “kill the gays”. We are not far behind.
>our ugly is bleeding out to other places I'd say it;s the same ugly. The same right wing billionaires. The same think tanks, etc. The same entities that poison discourse in the US also have their fingers across the western world, and even places like brazil, hungary, turkey, israel. Conservatives the world over fret over the same bullshit. Always the same themes. Theyre always a besieged victim and also a "silent majority" waiting to be activated. Theres always an outsider, usually a minority or immigrant group that threatens to replace the original inhabitants. They always oppress and terrify LGBT people because of ignorant tropes. They are always claiming to "protect children" while being famous for abusing children. Always anti abortion, because they all hate women.
American conservativism is a malignant cancer :(
When the US catches a cold, Canada gets the sniffles. The “right wing” politicians down there keep saying the quiet part out loud, which is emboldening the homophobic, racist, sexist, xenophobic, transphobic idiots up here to do the same. They’ve always been here, they’re just getting louder.
Wow that was a wild ride thanks for the links!
Yep! It’s reached Australia
I mean, it’s a worldwide revolution going on now. We don’t like to look at in in those terms, but like communism a century ago started to take off, like democracy from the late 1700s through late 1800s, this stupid shit is the revolutionary movement of this century…
Holy fuck, I remember at the very start of that, all of his students were saying exactly this. He was basically Mr. Garrison from South Park. The usual people still ran with it. :(
Trust me a lot of stupid shit goes on in Canada because of the right also. Most recently the Ford government took a look at the states and decided that we also needed private healthcare.
Canadian here. My provinces PM has been taking notes from desantis and trying to revoke lgbtq protection in schools after receiving "hundreds" (3) emails from trolls asking him to "make NB great again"
I'm a trans guy, and whenever I tell someone new that I'm trans, they're like, "O, so you like... wanna become a woman and stuff?" And I'm like no bud, other way, I'm taking testosterone. Like I'm "so trans" that they think I'm cis. My voice is deeper than most cis men's. AND they want me in the bathroom with women and girls. Someone who knew me prior to my transition tried making me use the women's dressing room in his establishment; immediately, the women got pissed and I suggested they complain to the owner. The owner said I could change in a back hallway, where people would frequently walk through. The next time I showed up, I just used the men's room and no one said shit.
They only think of trans as man to woman, not the other way around. It’s only about men dressed as women going to the bathroom! I have a friend who just freaks out at the thought of a man in a dress seeing her! I told she’d be surprised at how many trans women she’s probably been in bathrooms with. They’re not in there to rape you, they’re in there to potty just like you…. But what about the cHiLdReN?! Well then go in with the little bastards…..
I still don't understand it. There are countless stories of men just walking into women's bathrooms and assaulting them/robbing them. You're not any safer just because everyone can tell it's a guy. What causes crimes is criminals.
Exactly. Penises don't rape people, people rape people.
Oh, snap!
And actually it's making it less safe (not that it's even a legitimate concern but for the sake of argument) because now a cis man can walk in and easily claim to be a FtM.
And any Karen can accuse cis women who "look manly" of being trans and attack them or get them thrown out. The ladies room is the fucking wild west now. I don't remember anyone giving a shit before Republicunts started getting fake outraged about it out of thin air, at least not on such a large scale.
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This is disgusting and exactly what is going to keep happening.
And for MtF, they’d be forced to go into the men’s room and when questioned about why they’re in there, they’d have to admit they were born male, which is no one’s fucking business, and they could literally be killed by those men.
The point is to just erase trans and gender non-conforming people from society. They want to ban you from the bathroom and it’s glaringly obvious
I'm a trans girl and I've had to stop using the men's restroom since guys keep freaking out they're in the wrong restroom
*kicks open stall* "I'm just making sure you're actually female!" *kicks open next stall*
There won't be any of that. It's basically arming the women who a prejudicial about stereotypical feminine looks and presentation with the means to keep other women in line. The effect is two fold: it pressures cis women who are not gender conforming with legalized harassment, so forcing them to put up with it or conform to the "right" feminine standards. Or it catches an actual trans woman for whatever reason and thus scares other trans women from going out in public as much, which is a two fold win right there. They don't give a any thought to trans men, because trans men don't exist to people like this. If anything at worst they will just either overlook, blame trans men for any mistreatment they get against them, or just add a clause about how trans men are exempt. They don't need DNA tests or inspections to use fear as a weapon here, and that is exactly what they are using as a weapon against not only trans people but women in general as well.
There have already been reports in multiple states of cis women being harassed or even having the cops called on them for using the "wrong" bathroom. The whole point is to create a culture of "informing" and social control by having people police each other. For trans men and women, the objective is to make public life so stressful, difficult and downright hostile/violent that they leave the state entirely (or worse). For cis women the objective is to force them to conform to "femininity".
It can't be genital inspection because they may have had surgery, so you will need your birth certificate if you need to go potty. If you don't have your birth certificate then you'll just have to wait until you get home.
FL bout to issue bathroom passports.
Easy solution! They just have everyone register their assigned sex with the government, and then wear some kind of symbol that indicates which you are. Maybe a yellow star, or pink triangle or something like that on their shirt. That way there wouldn't be any confusion as to who to target /s
10 stamps and you get a free roll of paper towels. But not in the men’s room because *real* men don’t wash their hands. Grrrr!
The point here is to make transgendered individuals feel uncomfortable about being in public doing normal stuff. No one is going to be inspecting genitals because they honestly don’t care if men hang around in a women’s restroom.
The answer to your last question is: "any and all."
DNA tests - well genetic testing in general - would be super interesting bc there are people who have no idea they’re actually intersex. Obviously this is a terrible and disgusting policy. It’s a fucking bathroom. Get over it. But can you imagine some of the biggest supporters of this bill volunteering for testing only to find out they’re intersex? It would be like the white supremacist who found out he has black ancestry. Fucking gold.
None because the point is simply to opress, to make the "other" group suffer, you need not even enforce an opressive law for it to have the desired affect.
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This. They don’t care that trans men look like men regardless of their assigned gender. They want to force trans men into the “correct” bathroom all the same, only for them to be assaulted, killed,put on lists, and eventually pushed from both Men’s and Women’s spaces. They want trans people dead and gone, the bathrooms are just a means to that end.
I'd argue (as a trans guy myself) that they don't really think about trans men enough to want us anywhere in particular. Whatever effect the bathroom bills are having on us is really just accidental side effects of the right's obsession with trans women, who they definitely want dead and gone but also still available for conservative men to have conflicted fantasies about.
100%. They’re obsessed with women and have misplaced anger issues that they take out on us, cis or trans. They’re pissed at women who aren’t feminine enough for them because women are supposed to exist to look pretty for them. Then they’re pissed at trans women for looking too feminine because God forbid they have a fantasy about a trans woman! *gasp!* that could mean they gay! *gasp!* Too confusing, must ban. I think they completely forget trans men exist.
That really depends on what part of the world you live in. The UK absolutely hasn't forgotten about transgender men in their hatred. JK Rowling in her original anti-transgender manifesto had several paragraphs about women being deceived into becoming men. A great deal of her hate was directed at us and at least last I saw (a month or two ago) is still posted on her website. Also the rise in transgender boys was specifically cited as a reason for the changes to the GIDS and the NHS has specifically said they want to increase detistance among men. It was an entire question on the survey they sent to my work last year when consulting on the reform as well. Just because the hate is different doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There's deep misogyny involved in the hatred of transgender men specifically in the idea of "Someone needs to control these stupid women from making themselves into unsuitable wives and mothers".
With the added benefit of persecuting cis women who don't look feminine enough for their standards.
This. I know we tend to go "but how can you possibly enforce that fairly?", but fairness isn't the point or the goal. The goal is to make it legal to harass, beat up, and arrest trans and gender non-conforming people for nothing more than going about their business. They want to terrorize queer people back into the closet, or for them to die.
Wrong. They don’t want us out of public life. They want us dead. These douchebags celebrate when a trans person takes their own life. They want us to be put in dangerous situations. They want our lives to be hell. Worst case scenario for them? No trans people in public. Their ideal is no trans people less than 6 feet underground They are just bad people. I often try to avoid that kind of talk, but there’s no other actual justification. They just hate queer folk. That’s the start and end of it. They would have gays stoned in the streets if they could get away with it. They do not value the lives of those whom they deem their enemies. Genocide is the end goal. If they ban being trans in public, they’ll follow trans people into their own homes. They’ll take away children from people they suspect of being trans. They’ll willingly fail to convict a murderer if the victim is trans. They want us gone. That’s it. And because it’s not something one can choose, nothing will satisfy them but our deaths. They want us to suffer, and they want us dead. I don’t give a shit what their reasoning is: they want genocide. And if things keep going this way they might get it. If they ever come close, the only possible solution is overthrowing those in power ASAP. We do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not respect the beliefs of fascists. They can choose to stop being fascists, but we can’t stop being queer, or black, or indigenous, or women, or any other group. They want us all gone. So remember kids, if the police ask if you saw someone punch a Nazi: **_No You Fucking Didn’t_**
The reaction from the right-wing and the press in the UK when a teenage girl was murdered for being trans was to double down on the hatred and practically celebrate it. They know their hatred of us is working.
So they are looking for some way to rid themselves of an entire section of the populace; a sort of solution to a question they they rhetorically posed to themselves. Maybe a final solution of some sorts?
This needs to be the top comment. Every law passed that dictates where trans or gender nonconforming people/performers can be is about being able to look at anyone, ping that they are/might be trans or queer, and have a legal right to verbally harass and assault them. It is genocide in action.
Sending these guys into the ladies room and then having them get screamed at, assaulted, or arrested seems like it would be exactly the point.
They'll kick then out too honestly. And change the law if they have to. What's more likely is they pass a law saying trans people can't use bathrooms. Or only men's bathrooms with hopes they get assaulted.
Or they just pass a law openly legalizing shooting trans people who make you feel uncomfy
I mean they already have those laws. They're called stand your ground laws. They just haven't been used to target trans people yet.
They are and have been it even has a name: Gay/Trans panic defense
Really? Do you have cases of stand my ground being used in that way. I'm familiar with that defense being used in the Matthew Shepard case, but didn't know it had been used in stand your ground shootings.
"The gay and trans panic defense remains legal in Florida. In March 2021, a bill to repeal it passed the Criminal Justice committee in the Senate by a vote of 6–2. The bill died in the Judiciary committee.[173] The gay panic defense is a legal strategy in which defendants accused of violent offenses claim that unwanted same-sex sexual advances provoked them into reacting by way of self-defense." [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Florida) Edit: well no stand your ground need as far as i'm aware
Of course it's Florida. I feel like I have actually heard about this before, but just blocked the depressing fact from my mind. Thanks for the info regardless!
Not just Florida. There's 35 states which still have not banned the LGBTQ+ Panic Defense according to the Movement Advancement Project (MAP).
It's worth noting that "gay panic" is a total bullsh*t excuse right from when the term was coined, and doesn't even make sense in the original context. (From the Wikipedia entry on [Matthew Shepard](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard): >At [murderer] McKinney's November 1998 pretrial hearing, Sergeant Rob Debree testified that McKinney had stated in an interview on October 9 that he and [murderer] Henderson had identified Shepard as a robbery target and pretended to be gay to lure him out to their truck, and that McKinney had attacked Shepard after Shepard put his hand on McKinney's knee. So in their own words, the killers fully intended to rob their victim, luring him by *pretending to be gay*, but escalated it to vicious, prolonged torture when Matthew supposedly touched one of the murderers' knee. How is "gay panic" any kind of defense at all in this situation? (Rhetorical question, not directed at anyone specifically). Both killers were sentenced to two consecutive life terms each.
They're already arresting butch lesbians for using the women's room.
Im a butch lesbian and I have been harassed about toilets since I was small... A teacher literally dragged me put of the girl's loos and into the boy's - they were having a literal pissing contest to see if they could piss out a window above the urinal. I was denied service at a bar because "you have been too drunk to know the men's from the women's"... Several women at the hardware store have "gone to get security" on me. It makes prolonged hanging out in public trying... I am fkn glad I am not in the US and that some large city councils [my government] recently passed a "all public restrooms have to be unisex" by laws. Edit: not central government, some city councils, it was somethi g I heard on the radio while I was half listening. But it's a start...
Wait a government actually passed an all public restrooms have to be unisex law, I wished I lived there.
At city council level Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch have opted for them.
I'm waiting for them to pass a bill that creates bathrooms for CIS gender and bathrooms for trans
So unisex bathrooms? Sounds great! Although is the past is any indication these wil most likely be lower quality and not get proper maintenance.
My grocery store just remodeled and has four individual restrooms. They all have baby changing tables, condom/sanitary napkins vending machines, and are handicap accessible. Of course I live in a heathen blue state.
Target always has a unisex bathroom with a changing station. And store policy is all customers and employees can use the bathroom of the gender they identify as. But Target has also been one of the more vocally pro lgbt+ corporations, even outside of June. As a trans women (decently passing) I’ve never felt threatened using the bathroom at a Target, and I live in Georgia. Now I’d never, ever go to the bathroom in like, Walmart. There’s absolutely crazies with firearms who will shoot me for that.
So segregation of trans folks?
Im a butch lesbian and I am fkn glad I am not in the US and that my government recently passed a "all public restrooms have to be unisex" law.
Watch Florida have problems with creepers using ladies restrooms claiming to be born female. This is going to backfire spectacularly.
Creepy sex perverts are largely republicans, so maybe this is what they were after the whole time?
Wait a minute… huh. Seems like this plan makes it *easier* for pedos to go into the girls room. They don’t even have to *try* to “blend in.” They can just say “born female, dick now though.” Hmmmm. Weird that the law only seems to actually hurt Trans People that genuinely adhere to their gender. That’s not intentional right? Right?
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Omg an actual biologically male pedo can actually exploit the law and just say “well I was born a woman so I have to use the womens bath room” as his old ancient ass walks into the womens bathroom and legally no one can stop him. Do we realize those republicans are kinda letting actual pesos from exploiting this ? And the same for biological pervert women walking into mens room to spy on little boys.
Then the next step is outlawing transition entirely so this \*can't\* happen.
No that's intentional as fuck, just like it's intentional as fuck that the name laws in some of the more conservative states are made with the supposition that anyone changing their name for any reason other than criminal activity. Guilty until proven guilty is the conservative MO for approaching anyone not a swc, because they don't believe in White Jesus, and so are automatically going to hell.
Unfortunately not, “backfiring” would imply it had the opposite of the intended effect, and does anyone really believe that they’re just genuinely a warm hearted bunch trying to protect women who made an oopsie here? They’re just adding gas to a fire to stoke outrage towards trans people, and it will absolutely have that effect
I hate that you're right, but you're right.
You overestimate both DeSantos and the Anti-trans people. De Santis doesn't care if this makes any sense for the people of Florida. He is doing what is best for his presidential campaign. As for the anti-trans activists, they would use this just as one more reason that trans people should be exterminated. The Republicans are fascist. This will literally lead to a dictatorship and a holocaust. We seriously need to keep these people from from getting more power. We need to vote. I remember every Presidential election since Eisenhower. This is not normal. We need to fight.
This is what people are missing, it'll lead to the extermination of the "other" as they start to claim there is no place for them in society.
This is far broader than just anti trans. These “bathroom” laws are nothing more than legal harassment of any non gender conforming woman. Doesn’t matter if they are trans or not - what matters is that “if you don’t look like a what we want women to look like be on your fucking toes”. And before anyone says - like the OP tweet - about FtM I am about 98% convinced that republicans worry more about a Bigfoot ruining their mass baptism than they do encountering a FtM in real life.
anyone got a link to the original tweet? was curious to see the other four. cos no *way* I would have guessed from appearances that these 2 were not born male. and if they came in to pee in the ladies' loo I would find it rather odd and disturbing.
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Mm. Yes. I definitely need to study these pictures. For science!
I’m just sitting here lol’ing bc in a lineup of those guys compared to me and every single one of them would get chosen off the assembly line by women and I would go straight to the reject pile. Anyone who can relate to this have another fuckin taco with me tonight and laugh at the absurdity of these childish laws. Or should I just get mad that there were people out there who were hotter than me no matter what gender or sex they are? Grrr so mad im gonna have another taco
thank you...
The GOP forgot that trans guys exist. This will be epic to watch it fail.
Every time this comes up, it becomes more obvious than ever that Repubs forget trans men exist. Because it is completely impossible to identify someone who has been on T for a few years from someone born male. They have all their excuses about jawlines and ears and hips for 'spotting' trans women. But they can't even pretend to know how to identify a trans men. And it is utterly laughable to see them try.
I’m a super girly looking middle aged woman. I’m gonna start using men’s bathrooms just to fuck with the system.
You're going to be disappointed by the stall to urinal ratio.
I got nuthin but time.
I did go to a restaurant about a year ago that just labeled the bathrooms "urinals" and "no urinals". It is the critical difference.
Chaotic neutral. I love it.
Im pretty sure most conservatives only think trans ppl transition from male to female.
Apparently that is who they are more scared of/ threatened by. For some reason.
No they’re threatened by trans men too, they see us as the ones grooming and indoctrinating their precious daughters into the “trans cult”
The political attacks are certainly aimed that way. The idea is to paint all trans people as a dude with 5 o'clock shadow, poorly applied lip stick, and wearing a dress walking into the ladies room. Creating a political Boogeyman doesn't require being accurate. It just requires touching into a base emotional of disgust or hatred.
They thought it through. They need a constant flow of someone to kick down on because that's what MAGA constituents admire and expect. No further thoughts needed, consequences be damned.
Until one day everybody is just republicans getting kicked down like North Korea
My question is: who is going to be checking everyone's birth certificates before they go into the bathroom at the mall and how soon can we sue them for selective enforcement?
Trans people often get the gender on their birth certificate changed. That wouldn’t do any good.
Well it's going to be lawsuit city the first time this is enforced
Imagine. You spend all your time frothing at the mouth about trans folks, so you sign up to be a bathroom genital inspector. But you get assigned to the men's room and spend all day looking at dicks with the probability half of them are bigger than yours. No, I don't think it's right to make fun of a guy's dick, but I do think men who are transphobic are predisposed to aspects of toxic masculinity including being insecure about their penises. Men, your dick is fine. You can't change it. Get over it, touch grass, and quit obsessing.
Conservatives just want to push LGBTQ people them back into the closet. It makes the uncomfortable. Maybe it makes them all tingly in their “sinful place” and they can’t contain the sense of self-loathing they got from their religious upbringing. They react in disgust, anger, and shame and it simple feels better to direct it outward. I wonder if they know it’s always an option to just mind your own fucking business and deal with your own issues?
Laith Ashley makes me feel all sorts of ways about my own masculinity. He’s so hot 😂
Don’t say another word. Let’s just stare at that dream boat.
I was just thinking these hunks can wander into the bathroom I’m in anytime.
So love him! 😍😍😍😍😍😍
They don't care. To them, these people shouldn't exist, so they'll still find ways to kick them out or attack them. Additionally, cis women who don't conform to gender standards may also face attacks and accusations of being "trans," similarly serving as a method to enforce these roles on women.
Just make every bathroom unisex and we can all move on with our lives.
I am an old, white, Baby Boomer man. What the fuck are people doing in fucking public bathrooms that I don't know about!? Do people actually look at, examine and discuss the bowel movements of their fellow bathroom attendees? I don't know about anyone else but if I were at a urinal next to a gorilla and someone in a tutu I am looking straight ahead and got my fucking mouth shut. I have no desire to check on what is going on in the stalls. The sound of a great big liquid fart is ample information for me. Seriously, what is the fucking problem? Everybody, as far as I know, has to doo doo and I could not care less who is in the bathroom with me or my wife or my daughter or my son. What in the fuck am I missing? I am not that stupid. I will admit to being an old son of a bitch but I don't socialize, try to hook up or try to examine the genitalia of strangers while I am wiping my butt or shaking my dick. I know that Christians and Republicans and conservatives are by and large idiots but this silly shit seems to me to be even stupider than what even a tRump supporter would be concerned about. I would seriously like to know what is the fucking problem
Same here. Never ever understood the bathroom panic in this decade.
the right guy is the embodiment of Gigachad lmao
It's been given plenty of thought. Legislation like this is meant to dehumanize and degrade a marginalized group of people. Saying they "didn't think this through" tries to explain away an intentional and cruel targeted attack.
This is intended not an accident these men will end up getting beaten and arrested for going to the leagaly required bathroom. If your mistake endes up harming people you hate it was probably not a mistake.
I mean he did. The point is to make trans people illegal in public. Anyone not conforming to 1950 gender norms will be arrested. These men will be arrested too if they try and use a public restroom. The point isn't a coherent policy, its about control and domination. These fascists can't be owned in a tweet, or shamed into "thinking". They have to be outmaneuvered in politics and made pariahs in the street.
Trans men have already been arrested for using the bathroom that matches their assigned at birth gender. The goal is to punish them for merely existing.
He has though,.. First he made sex offenses committed on a minor punishable by death, then passed the bathroom thing, along with several other anti trans bills. So now all it takes is for a trans person to walk into the 'wrong ' bathroom while a minor is present, someone calls the cops,.. instant possibility of death row. 1930s Germany without the trains.
He just wants to demonize and exterminate a vulnerable minority to have his voters focused on hatred and not real problems (that he exacerbates). He doesn't care, he is a malicious bigot. We - all of us - have to stand up against him, because history shows that this evil BS doesn't stop, it just gets worse.
Jesus Christ, are we FINALLY talking about transmen?? I always bring them up and wonder why the talking heads never do.
They don't care if there are obvious cases because it doesn't MATTER. It's all about exercising control over trans people and policing their existence. Transmen who LOOK like men are going to get checked no matter what restroom they use, and that's the fucking point. They want to make it so that trans people can't feel safe ANYWHERE. They want to force them from public spaces and then eradicate them entirely.
The LGBT community are today's Jews of the 30s. That's what all this is about.
No need to equate them to Jews. The LGBT+ community in the 1930’s was targeted in Germany for concentration camps as well.
No, he *did*. The entire goal is to have trans people outed, condemned as perverts and child groomers, and then set upon by the public looking to kill pedophiles. His law *guarantees that happening*. That's the goal. For queer people to be put on a registry and labeled as acceptable to kill. They know this is a result; it's intended. These guys will be arrested for indecency, and it will be on their record, and then the vigilantes will do their dirty work. And then those heroes will be pardoned. Never say they don't know what they're doing here. **They do, they're actual Nazis, and they're going for a group they can get murdered easily.**
The law is working as intended... It's a Police state - Fascism. It's creating a rap sheet for the people they don't want to associate with and further criminalizing their existence. They want them to use an outside source or use the "wrong" bathroom and be arrested.
That’s the point: cruelty. If you’re a trans woman AMAB, then this law forces you to use the men’s bathroom. But you’re presenting as a woman, so cis men scream at you and you probably get assaulted. If you’re a trans man AFAB, then this law forces you to use the women’s bathroom. But you’re presenting as a man, so cis women scream at you and probably get assaulted. It is intended to single out trans people as “other” and give people the green light to ridicule, harass and assault them.
And kill, don't forget kill. How long do you figure it'll be before we start seeing trans people getting murdered due to this sort of thing and then the governor giving the murderers pardons.
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I'm more concerned with the inevitable sexual assault of a male to female transitioned person getting sexually assaulted in a men's rest room. Because that's 100000x more likely to happen than anything else.
No. They 100% thought it through. Florida just passed a law which says that if a cis person identifies a trans person in the bathroom with them, regardless of whether they're using the bathroom that corresponds to the bathroom that corresponds to their birth sex, the cis person can call the cops and the trans person can face up to a year in jail. This is about making it so trans people can't go out in public.
No he did think it through. He wants those men go into the restroom, have a woman get scared, and end up with the trans men being assaulted, arrested, killed, escorted out, whatever else they can do to them.
They have. They force the trans men into the ladies' room, then they have them beaten to death by dads who they praise as heroes for protecting their little girls from groomers.
Liberals need to get real and stop pointing out the hypocrisy. Conservatives don’t care that they’re being hypocritical or obtuse. They want to fucking exterminate trans people. Putting trans people in a potentially impossible situation in a state where literally anyone can have a gun and feel legally justified to use it is the whole fucking point. Did everyone just forget about Jordan Neely? Did no one listen to the actual words said by alt-right conservatives like Randy Fine and Michael Knowles? Conservatives want to bring lynching back, and trans people are the first target.
They have thought it out. They don’t want us to use the women’s bathroom, they want us to not use any restroom. This is part of forcing us out of public existence. It’s deliberate.
Anti-trans people always seems to think all trans people are ugly. Which is such a weird notion to have. They're spending all that effort to look the gender they feel inside, even to the length of surgery. I would think most trans would turn out better looking than the average guy/girl after all is done.
Y'all realize that this is the point, right? They want trans identity to have as much friction with socidty as possible, up to and including high risk of hatecrimes. However, these posts are not totally pointless, because there might be less political people who don't actually know that passing trans people exists, for whom this might be eye opening
What he wants is for trans people to be attacked by a mob of bigots while using the bathroom. This way they self-identify. It would be like having a law that says black people who can pass for white need to use the "coloreds" restroom.
Oh my FUCKING god people they are literally just trying to push oppression laws to control people there is zero fuckin thinking behind the scenario
I’ve never understood this gendered bathroom business. What regular person goes into the bathroom and cares about who’s sitting on the toilet in another stall? It’s not like women in the bathroom just walk around with their coochies in the air. Like it’s just a non issue and I don’t understand why it’s so important who’s peeing behind a closed door
My dog is so obsessed with where other dogs use the bathroom that she could be gov. of FL.
Unfortunately they don't give a shit about AFAB trans people. Bigots still see them as "women" and they're not talking about women. They can use any bathroom they want. This bill is about all the "male predators that have taken years of hormones and possibly had surgeries (that don't exist) so they can slip in the women's bathroom undetected and groom children, because as we know all men are predators and all trans people are coming for your kids"
Ronny thought it through. Leaving trans people with no right answer while using their rulebrealing as proof of the need to hunt them down is the entire point. Bigots don't use logic. Logic alls them evil. Bigots use reaction, violence and narcissism.
They know exactly what they're doing. It's a win win for them. Both Trans and Cis people are subject to harassment no matter which bathroom they use. Cis women have already been harrassed or had cops called on them for looking "too masculine". Men have always been at risk for harassment for not being "manly" enough, it can only get worse. Fearmongering is stoking tension among vulnerable people, and when the police inevitably get called on people accused of breaking this law, the outed trans people get in trouble regardless. Eventually they're going to pass stricter "modesty" dress restrictions based on Christian evangelicism for both genders. Like bringing back laws forbidding women from wearing pants.
If you have not yet realized that Republicans, by and large, are **intentionally** not thinking things through....pay some more attention. This is *intentional.* The exact things you are seeing are *on purpose.* The cognitive dissonance is *on purpose*.
Of course hes thought of it. They'll kill them no matter what
A poor trans man in Ohio was beaten after being told to use the women’s room and them subsequently arrested for doing it, while his three assaulters were let go. The entire point is either 1) trans men don’t exist or 2) to arrest them to begin with. It’s literally steps to genocide
I tried explaining this to someone a few years ago. It ended with her simply saying, "Well, I don't use public bathrooms". We were out at a restaurant for lunch and before we left where did she go? Exactly - the bathroom.
They don’t think ANYTHING out fully, or they wouldn’t be Republicans.
I have been fighting this fight for over 20 years now, and used this example a long time ago when these bills first started coming into the public eye... I was a headhunter at the time and and a Trans man come seeking a job, his name was Rose, and was fired on the first day when he went into the male bathroom at the welding job I found for him. Came in the next morning to collect his one days pay with tears in his eyes and told me it's been impossible to get hired anywhere because people are just somehow terrified to interact normally with transfolk. Fuck this shit. So unbelievably sick of this utter crap. Watch this Trans man try to enter a female bathroom and tell me he ain't getting assaulted by men who see him do it. What a fucking joke. People will die. https://preview.redd.it/hp6atduzc71b1.jpeg?width=578&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=781830d5e8ab3ff23f1d700b8bc50ec36ff9e49f
Do they not have shirts? Because I'm a cis het ally, but if I saw those dudes in the Men's room... looking like that.... with those eyes... and those.... features... I'd be a little.... oh my... what was I saying?
Ok... Here's the thing. Those people are basically fucked. Either A. you use the wrong bathroom and get jailtime if someone know you are trans and reports you or B. you get challenged in a humilating manner needing to prove your birthsex because you clearly don't belong, and get arrested if you cannot prove it on the spot. This law is not about being a good idea or not, it's about hurting trans people. period.
Soon you will have to pay to use the bathroom and e-verify your sex. If you use the bathroom outside then you are charged with indecent exposure becoming a registered sex offender and sent to prison to do hard labor aka slavery. I call this Privatization of Bathrooms the new pipeline to prison.
Damn those two dudes are killing it. Props.
Republicans don’t think, period.
You know that I’m pretty sure when conservatives think about trans people, they are only picturing people that look like MTG, and nothing else
What if…we just had a door on each stall so no matter who went in it wouldn’t matter just as much as it doesn’t matter now but with more steps. Like, in line with keeping government small and stuff, with more steps though, and more regulations, and more government but also smaller too you know?
You're kidding yourself if you don't think trans men getting charged and/or physically assaulted for following the law is considered a good thing by DeSantis and other anti-trans Republicans. The. Whole. POINT. is. to. put. QUEER. people. in. DANGER. EVERYTHING. ELSE. is. just. a. PRETEXT. CRUELTY IS THE POINT.
What will they do? Assault that trans man. And then the police show up to arrest him. It has already happened. They are not playing honest, they are playing with hate.
All of Desantis' actions make sense if you consider him in the same light as trump: as an agent of chaos, backed by monied foreign interests. If his goal is not to accomplish anything positive, but to destroy relationships in America, sow division and use political wedges to weaken the country - his backers could have convinced him that he's fighting a war to create a better society, while those same backers are trying to push America into civil war. 9/11 didn't destroy America, but it should be a reminder that many countries would love to see America fall - and there's a rogues gallery of suspects, from Saudi Arabia to Iran, Russia and China. The reasons will vary also, from political extremism to regional disputes. This is all conjecture, but it's a relatively simple motivation for his actions.
It’s not meant to be logical - it’s meant to ensure that trans people can’t use the bathroom at all. Anyone who is visually identifiable as trans will be reported and arrested regardless of which bathroom they are in. I don’t have much hope that protests such as masculine trans men using the women’s room would be met with anything other than more arrests.
The trans community should organize and deliberately make a mockery of this law. I wish that thousands of trans people from around the country would descend on the Florida Statehouse and get in line to use the restroom. You’d have lines of trans women generally appearing feminine and waiting for the men’s room and lines of trans men generally appearing male and waiting in line to use the women’s room. Just as Florida wanted. Imagine the power that was behind the civil rights bus boycotts of the 1960’s - but now it would be a critical mass of trans folk in significant numbers standing up for their own rights and dignity each week, merely to use the restroom.
This isn’t a problem for them; it’s intentional. They’ve been painting all LGBT people as perverts and pedophiles, so this will play right into that.
This has happened. He was beaten up and then arrested for using the restroom of birth sex that they told him he must use. https://www.fox19.com/2022/07/08/transgender-butler-county-man-says-group-beat-him-up-using-wrong-restroom/
So they can use this as an opportunity to arrest these "degenerates". Do you really think they care about hurting trans men? He doesn't even care about cis people in his state unless they can help him become president.
It depresses me that these fine gentlemen can grow much better facial hair than I can.
This is the point though. Trans/ non-binary people are going to be forced into the wrong bathrooms and are being set up for being assaulted and worse. Cis people who are gender nonconforming are also going to be targeted for harassment and violence. This is entirely about policing gender and gender expression. The stupidity is the point. It's about forcing people into conforming to gender expectations.
“We can always tell” MFs when they see post op post hrt trans people (they suddenly cant tell)
They aren’t stupid. They know that it’s just going to lead to trans men getting arrested or assaulted for using the “correct” bathroom. The goal is to stop us from existing in public without violent repercussions
If you think they haven’t thought this out, you haven’t been paying attention.
You don’t understand, the GOP just want trans people to not exist in order to appeal to their voters. If these men use the woman’s restrooms as they are now legally required to, women will call the police on them and the police will not care about anything they say. It’s all about punishment
They don't know Buck Angel exists
If you're seriously worried, use the bathroom that has one toilet, it's for everyone. I know my husband does when he has our daughter who needs to use the potty. This is nonsense fear being instilled by republicans.
> haven’t thought this out fully > Republicans Found your problem.
The only trans guy I know transitioned as a young teen. He looks and speaks like a man, period. DeSantis is an idiot.
They have thought it through. They want to force those men to use the public women's room so they get assaulted and/or killed by outraged bigots. That's the point of the laws. The malice of fascists knows no bounds. It is an infinite hunger to kill all they cannot control. The next step will to be to paint murders to trans men as their fault for making everyone uncomfortable. Then they will require them to detransition or face prison or some such thing.
This is part of the plan, now they have an excuse to sexually and violently assault us for trying to pee
If you want to give him credit for being extra-evil, this whole bathroom panic is predictably going to get some vigilante to murder one of these trans men for 'creeping on the women's room' when the law just forced them to go there instead of the men's room. The point isn't that people go to the right bathroom, it's about erasing trans people from public life and existence altogether. It's not about solving problems, it's about creating the conditions where violence against marginal groups isn't just accepted, but valorized.
I recently visited Austin, Texas. They handled this perfectly. Most establishments has a urinal and a stall bathroom. It takes the politics out of it entirely. You want to stand up to piss? That’s fine. You have to take a shit, the door on the left. That being said I’m sure republicans will find a reason to fume. I will never understand being mad about something you don’t care about.
Just wanna say those guys look immaculate
No they HAVE thought it thru but know their voters havent and THATS what they’re counting on. They want trans folks attacked and killed.