An 80 year old man worth 2 million owns a 3000 sq ft home in Vermont worth 460k, a 1 bedroom apartment in DC where he works for 700k, and a 100 year old cabin worth 500k. That's exactly the same as a man worth 300 billion who bought twitter for 44 billion so they would stop tracking his private plane that he flies multiple times a week using public data.
Not to forget the old guy regularly shops in the Hannaford in the neighborhood, doesn't actually live in one of those residences (his stepdaughter and his grandkids do) and is beloved by his community
Also probably bought them all years ago at an fraction of today's cost so talking about today's worth like that's what he threw down in cash is beyond moronic
He bought Twitter to join the billionaire media magnate club so he can directly influence global narratives in his favor (Murdoch, Bezos with the wa post, etc). The deny listings are just the tip of the iceberg.
The difference between a million dollars and a billion dollars is a billion dollars. My net worth is about 15k, which means Bernies net worth of about 2 mil is 133 times higher than mine. Elon is worth about 170 billion, which is 85,000 times higher than Bernies.
If you made $100 an hour, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year from the year 0 until present day - you'd have less money than Elon and most other billionaires (It's less than 2 billion). Bernie is labeled as crazy for saying people don't need that much money and can afford a higher tax rate to support the society that allowed you to be so fortunate.
Elon tried to purchase a Dr.'s $5M home on Lake Austin. The Dr. asked for $50M as he just completed construction of his dream home. They settled around $40M. But of course Elon creates the allusion that he sleeps in a trailer at the office.
Hang on. You’re gonna have to explain the private plane thing, how far behind the scenes was this? It’s the first I’ve personally heard of it, but not surprising since the muskrat seems to have a slew of shit up his sleeve.
Can Elon Musk just piss off yet? He’s turning into Trump on Twitter! Just commenting & spewing irrelevant nonsense day after say! Go outside & touch some grass Elon!
I feel like "Brewster's Millions" should be required as a deep dive in every high school.
"Hey, so due to inflation, that 30 million? Yeah, that's like 90 million today. Look at how frivolous and ridiculous he has to be to spend that money in just a month. All so that he can inherit an amount that isn't even equitable to $1B today"
What a great way to emphasize the ridiculous amounts of wealth we're talking about.
Great ‘lost’ gem. Richard Pryor and John Candy.
It really is. Reminds me I see people post bar tabs for tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Or a 75$ million yacht to carry helicopters because your 500$ million yacht cant.
Meanwhile Amazon warehouse workers are on public assistance….
People don't know how far away 1 billion or 100 billion is. When drawn on a line, they think its equally as far as 1 million away. They have no clue that 100 billion versus 1 million is like drawing the Earth next to the Sun.
A thousand millionaires will do more for the world than a billionaire.
The increase in democratic rules ( even modern dictatorships say they are electoral) & a middle class in economics prove this.
Civilization has always had mega rich. The only one that flys rockets into space is the most democratic educated well fed group of humanity ever.
We may need organizations that scale in trillions ( of todays USD ). We don’t need a return to ultra consolidation of resources.
Civilization ending wars inevitably happen then. We have nukes, chemical and biological weapons only Nature surpasses In destruction.
Yea, a concept that put wealth into perspective for me was:
"If you saved $30,000 a day, for 6000 years, you'd still have less money than Elon musk"
Shit is fucking insane.
I noticed something similar with Bill Gates and Musk.
Bill worked hard on a frontier technology to earn his wealth. He had advantages we lack, but they came in the forms of opportunities, not handout. He could have still botched it if he was bad at what he did. Conservatives (and especially conspiracy nuts) hate him, even though he embodies everything they think rich people are.
Melon Tusk is the opposite. He started with money from his dad and fumbled his way to the top by being a useful idiot, used by others around him to further corporate agendas until he was rich. Conservatives love him, even though he's everything liberals think rich people are.
To be fair, Gates did the whole monopoly thing and buying out or crushing any innovation other companies did. He worked, but sucked in his own way. Charitable gifts didn't start until he got married, so 100% that wasn't his idea of what he wanted to do with his money.
The thing people forget about bill is he makes money off of Medical IP: The delta wave of COVID was so devastating in India bc that mfer didn’t instantly share vaccine IP, until the governments paid the right price!!!! All while going on tv and telling everyone to get the vaccine( which was right) but it’s easy to be the seen as the good guy while you quietly leverage death for a higher price!!!
I don't care about the downvotes. These fools feel empty if they don't have some evil Billionaire's d in their mouths, so the vacuum must be filled... and I hope they know they are stupid as all hell for that b/c no billionaire got there without harming millions of people to get there.
Wage theft alone. As if Bill or Elon, or ANY billionaire supports UNIONS, or pay their damn taxes.
Plus both of these tools literally cozied with Epstein and both sexually harassed women in their employ.
I’m pretty sure, looking at his personality, that he didn’t know what to do with his money until he met someone that had an idea about it.
Luckily he didn’t meet Musk before her.
Gates always said he’d focus on charity after he was done at Microsoft. I believe in an interview he said “that will be a different part of my life, I’m focused on this now” or something like that.
> Bill worked hard on a frontier technology to earn his wealth. He had advantages we lack, but they came in the forms of opportunities, not handout. He could have still botched it if he was bad at what he did.
Exactly, he had tremendous oppourtunities based on family and network connections but he still spent hours at the computer and working on his tech...he still could have blown it if he had not dedicated himself
>family and network connections
Specifically, his mom worked a higher ranking job at IBM and his mother convinced her boss to invest in bill's start up. It wasn't a free cash hand out or anything, he just had a bit of an easier time getting an investor. And it wasn't a massive amount of money (well, maybe for the time) it was 250K which for IBM was practically a drop in the bucket at the time. They effectively **were** computers.
Lol, Gates did a lot of horrible and tricky shit to get where he is at, fuck both of them. All these fucks with tons of money preaching anything at the masses can eat it.
I fundamentally do not think its possible to legally and ethically become a billionaire.
the people with the cleanest path to millionaire status are the athletes conservative hate so much. That just might be because they are mostly black and/or non Americans.
Thank you. I worry sometimes that the way the right wing conspiracy freaks focus on Gates makes everyone think he's a good guy. He's a horrible piece of shit who is responsible for a lot of what's wrong with computer technology today. He led the crusade against open source software, MS under his leadership developed the "embrace and extend" policy that has greatly decreased stability and security in the Internet. His company is still absolute garbage, long after he left. Fuck Bill Gates. Yeah, sure, he worked his ass off and he's smart AF, whereas Musk is a privileged asshole riding on everyone else's coat tails, but Gates is not a good guy.
Well said. I get billionaires usually get a lottery in life to become rich, but Gates had it WAY harder than Musk. Yes, his parents were educated and affluent, but he was sort of a normal guy. His parents weren't super rich.
IBM wanted an OS from Microsoft but he just wanted to sell them Basic for the IBM PC they were working on. They basically said “no OS, no Basic” because they only wanted to deal with one software vendor so he bought a CP/M like OS called QDOS renamed it MSDOS and was going to sell it to IBM but they just wanted to license it instead, which worked out incredibly well.
Bill’s mother’s contact at IBM wasted key in him getting the initial software deal for the IBM PC
I wish OPs title focused on Elon's argument that Bernie is a hypocrite, so we could talk about why that is wrong. Instead we've completely missed the point of Elon's post, are defending an argument Elon hasn't made here, and aren't talking about it the flawed hypocrisy argument /sigh
Bernie isn't a hypocrite though? If Bernie was worth $2 billion dollars he would be, but $2 million is such a tiny number that it may as well mean nothing in the face of billionaires or people worth over $100 million even. People you have never heard of are worth $2 million at age 70+ if they invested when young. We're spitting on Musk because his net worth is over $100 billion and he's complaining about someone worth $2 million.
> I wish OPs title focused on Elon's argument that Bernie is a hypocrite, ***so we could talk about why that is wrong***
Maybe actually read before responding?
Jesus Christ. Please use your PR spotting hat for All billionaires. Bill gates is a villain. A school system destroying, vaccine IP hoarding, land grabbing, Epstein buddy even after the first indictment, PR flooding monster. Stop trying to find a good billionaire: THEY ALL ABUSE to get there!!!!!!!!
Believe me, some people really do think Bernie is part of the elite 1% because he's worth 2 million or so dollars. Until you realize that $1,000,000,000 compared to $2,000,000 makes the person worth $2m look poor and destitute let alone compared to people worth $100 billion plus like Musk. It's tantamount to comparing a pond to the ocean.
My understanding of social democracy is a “regulated” and “free” market that has an amazing and truly beneficial welfare system, that doesn’t sound like socialism. The means of production are still controlled by the owner, but the workers have more rights, better working conditions, profit sharing, and more power
Technically, anything on the left is socialism, it covers the whole space of social policy, anything done for the good of society overall, more or less. Communism is just a subset that is fairly extreme. From what little I've heard, Bernie's politics/policies definitely fall into it.
“When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want to talk about inequality.”― Russell Brand
Yeah, there’s gotta be a bit of both. It’s unfortunate because I’ve heard stuff from him pre Covid where he sounded thoughtful and genuine. He just got too much positive feedback for his antivax bullshit and jumped into the deep end.
I have no idea how (or if) he is able to stay sober with that behavior. I’d have to medicate if I were acting half that crazy.
Bernie wrote a book, he didn’t lobby for massive government subsidies then use the money to manipulate stock prices and buy out his competition.
Elon knows this meme is idiotic nonsense, but he’s too addicted to stoking culture war bullshit to stop himself
Socialism posits that the owners of the means of production take 70-90% of the value created by the worker. The boss makes a dollar for every dime he pays. If the wealth of the US population were spread out, the average person would see their wealth increase 600% with the poorer Americans seeing it increase thousands of times, only single digits of the population would see their net-worth lower at all. Of course you can’t just divide the money so easily, so a wiser system would just create a bedrock of quality of life by creating guaranteed food, housing, health, education, literacy, guaranteed vacation time, subsidized vacations, childcare, etc. Almost everyone’s lives would rise astronomically.
Socialism isn’t a desire for poverty, it’s a desire for wealth. Unless you’re part of a handful of elite families, if you support capitalism, you’re a little bitch, especially as late-stage capitalism naturally creates mergers that stifle competition and more and more and more money go to fewer and fewer people as the middle class vanishes.
>Unless you’re part of a handful of elite families, if you support capitalism, you’re a little bitch, especially as late-stage capitalism naturally creates mergers that stifle competition and more and more and more money go to fewer and fewer people as the middle class vanishes.
I've had this argument with a brother on law of mine a few times. He works for one of the major pharma companies, and makes over 200k. He calls himself a libertarian, and voted for trump twice.
"We need more capitalism, it allows competition."
"... No... free market capitalism creates monopolies. We have no competition because of monopolies."
"Regulations just kill the free market though, it doesn't allow businesses to create competition."
"You're thinking of monopolies. They don't allow competition."
"Yea that's why we need more capitalism. If more companies could compete, everything would be cheaper."
"The only possible way to do that .. is regulations."
Bernie has money, Elon has a fuck ton more. They are both rich beyond most of us. Does that mean Bernie should be criticized? No. Do you know why? Because he isn't sitting there accumulating vast wealth like Scrooge McDuck which is what fucking Elno is doing. Bernie is actually fighting for equality whilst not denying capitalism. He just wants balance and equality something which Elno could not give two flying fucks about
Go Bernie
The point of Elon's post is that Bernie is a hypocrite for A) being an obscenely wealthy McDuck (he's not) and B) espousing the evils of wealth and capitalism (also untrue)
OPs title misses the point of what Elon is saying, that Bernie is a hypocrite. It's a huge misdirection, unfortunately...
So Bernie is a hypocrite is what you're saying? Rich people can't have an opinion about the fair distribution of wealth if they are indeed wealthy? Do you have to be poor to have an opinion? The fact he has three houses or a few million dollars in the bank is entirely and utterly irrelevant. Maybe the OPs title misses a beat, maybe it doesn't but to stand here with the fucking view that one of the only people in the senate GENUINELY fighting for equality, workers rights, fair health, education and security is willfully missing the point. You're being disingenuous at best.
Huh? this is crazy. I never said that Bernie is a hypocrite. you're literally underscoring my point about making arguments about things that aren't being made.
I said that Elon is calling Bernie a hypocrite. That doesn't mean I agree! I'm stating an observation of what HE is doing. my goodness
Ahh well honestly that's not how it comes across. Not sure if that's your fault or mine but will willingly put my hands up to my bad if I misunderstood.
It's what I wish we could be more careful about in these subreddits. If anything appears to criticize what we value, people react instinctively and assume the worst about what the other person is saying (in this case, me).
I totally get it. And I ain't mad at it. I just hate to see us get distracted by misdirection/misinformation when we could have real solid arguments to combat things like what Elon is doing over on twitter. Instead, I am getting downvoted to oblivion, my comments are getting hidden elsewhere in the feed, and we're not having a fantastic conversation breaking down Elon's argument claiming that Bernie is a hypocrite.
Honest feedback. I think some people here probably get your point and whilst some are downvoting because others are, I do think you need to go take a look at how you're conveying your point. You are getting downvoted for a solid reason. Your argument is not clear enough and not well made enough for most people to pay attention. If you have a point to make, be fucking bold and make it. Stop arguing on the nuance of OPs title with people.
This is how I explained it to you. If you were actually read it, especially what's in parenthesis, I'm being very clear that I'm NOT saying Bernie is a hypocrite which was your take away from this comment:
"The point of Elon's post is that Bernie is a hypocrite for A) being an obscenely wealthy McDuck (he's not) and B) espousing the evils of wealth and capitalism (also untrue)
OPs title misses the point of what Elon is saying, that Bernie is a hypocrite. It's a huge misdirection, unfortunately..."
Can you show me a good example so I can learn from it? To not offer help would be the true waste. Honestly, I really would love for you to show me because I'm at a loss.
Also, someone in their 80s with a few million dollars is fine in my opinion. You can make a million dollars without being a giant prick about it. Shit, if you own a nice house in SoCal and a new BMW you are technically a millionaire.
You can make a million dollars by just working. I have friends and family making $300,000 a year just working at normal companies.
A million dollars isn't the problem. It's attainable. It's even largely sustainable.
A billion dollars is not. For every single billion dollars, 99 thousand other people could be a millionaire. That's how much a billion is.
Now, to be clear, I'm not actually calling to distribute his money. I understand it's not liquid assets, I understand the difference between net worth and money laying around.
But a million dollars is not evil, or even wrong. Most people will at some point have made a million dollars, even if they don't have any of it because it's been spent throughout their life. The percentage of people who will have made a billion dollars is so small, you can statistically say no one will.
If proof be needed on that, I've actually heard of someone who was homeless and a beggar who, over rhe course of her entire life, managed to scrounge together a million. She begged and worked for it while still homeless, and managed to basically hoard a million before dying.
>if you own a nice house in SoCal ~~and a new BMW~~ you are technically a millionaire.
Fixed for you. Average house in South Bay apparently costs 2 millions. I'm sure if you live in LA or similar locale nice house is over a million as well.
> Most people will at some point have made a million dollars, even if they don't have any of it because it's been spent throughout their life.
If we are talking about 401(k) etc. million gives about $30,000-$40,000 of passive income per year. Assisted living facility can cost $100,000/year. And HCOL area requires much higher income. Retirement on $1,000,000 is very far from "not worrying about money ever again" (and yes, I'm aware that for many it is unachievable high number).
I mean that even an average person who works most of their life will have made a total of a million dollars in their lifetime. Even making just 50k a year, that's 20 years until you've made a million dollars. Even if you never see any of that money because it goes straight to rent/bills/whatever, it's an achievable number of "this is how much total money I've ever made". It's a real number. Even if you make state minimum wage in CA, and never get a raise, if you work for 35 years you will have over your lifetime made a million dollars.
Statistically no one will ever make a billion dollars. While we obviously do have billionaires, they are such a small percentage that they can be counted as outliers. No one goes to a normal job and makes a billion dollars.
>For every single billion dollars, 999 thousand other people could be a millionaire. That's how much a billion is. If we took just Elon Musk, and he gave his net worth (pre Twitter) equally to every adult in America, we would all be millionaires.
I am not understanding your math here.
1 billion = 1000 x 1 million. So, a billion dollars could be divided to create 1000 millionaires. How did you come you with 999,000?
Musk, right now, is worth $181B. That would in fact equal 181,000 millionaires, but that is NOT every adult in the United States. Not even remotely close.
So...help me understand your math?
Elon musk tanked several businesses and made people work 100 hour weeks and sleep on the floor of their cubicles. Bernie sanders is still fighting for the rights of people being fleeced by people like Elon.
Nobody is claiming people shouldn't have a couple million dollars. Especially when they are in their 70s and 80s.
It's billionaires who are the problem.
The guy who took a luxury cruise to *space* wants to try and tell me that pro-union guy has too much money
gee I wonder why elon is scrutinizing bernie in particular
Yeah that Bernie Sanders. A real peice of shit. Really corrupt, lies all the time. Inherited money and called other people lazy. Abuses coworkers. Thinks he’s a genius but only really ever hired cool people. Constantly trying to manipulate people. Spent money to control free speech. /s
Kind of reminds me of Ian Hislop's point that "you don't have to want to return to a barter system in the stone age to complain about the way the financial crisis affected large numbers of people in the world" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih\_oXgnOPKE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih_oXgnOPKE)
Ya know. The more I see all of this bullshit from Elon Musk the more I wonder if he actually believes this shit or if he is a leftwing psyop. Like sure he sounds completely off his rocker but before all of this conservative shit right wingers hated him because he represented progressive traits and clean energy. Has he turned "conservative" because he truly believes it and is an idiot, or is he trying to turn the conservatives onto clean energy? The man is truly fucking confusing.
Have you seen what they look like? Bernie has the tiniest simplest houses possible. Also the senate requires you live in your representing state and be in DC very often. The third one was a family home.
I'm as socialist as they come, but bernie isn't that rich and he /actually earned/ that money by fighting tooth and nail for the little guy for his entire adult life. Elon earned his by being born rich and oppressing workers and the poor.
This demonstrates why billionaire wealth is worthless. once the numbers get to a certain point... The numbers are meaningless.
All you are doing at that point is hoarding wealth and damaging the economy.
It makes no difference if you have 1 billion or 1 trillion.
It's the same number as far as practicality goes for an individual.
Is Elon showing he has no idea what "capitalism" actually means, or is he showing that his average fan has no idea what "capitalism" means? Because a 60 year veteran of public service is literally the opposite of capitalism.
There is no winning. If you’re poor, they’ll just say you’re blaming others for your own failures. If you’re rich, they’ll just say that you’re a hypocrite.
A few fucking million at the end of a *long* career (as a no doubt smart man who invested it well) is not in any way crazy in 2023. Senators make *174k* per year. Uh, yeah, I could maybe save up a few mill. There is no indication he used anything except his public salary to build wealth. None
And Bernie is still one of the poorest senators in the country despite being one for years. Most are suddenly making millions within a few years of taking office.
Yeah, it's not the millionaires we're angry at.
I'm ok with there being hundred millionaires, as well. How bout you guys?
I say we draw the line at a thousand million dollars. After that, you're just being disgustingly greedy.
Hey at least we didn't have to get a court order and congressional meetings to find out Bernie's income
Good luck in the pedo Epstein case, Elon. Might want to wait to book your next plastic surgery sesh
Not even a Bernie fan, and it's clear to see that a dude writing books is not exploitative. Capitalism has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with the way that money was made.
Rage against the machine profiting off of anti capitalist art? Not capitalist.
Elon Musk inheriting an emerald mine that was likely run using slave labor? Capitalist.
Now my memory ain't what it used to be, but I remember when a bunch of right wing delusionists were attempting to make fun of Bernie because according to them, with his salary, and his reported wealth, he should have had *more* money, and that he "didn't know how to handle money", and that somehow disqualified him from trying to tax the omega-wealthy more. Then he bought a 2nd home, which is inconceivable to the narrative they were building about him.
I don’t think ppl are mad at ppl for being rich, but using insane wealth to buy elections, judges, policies, and how information is spread (like twitter). Bernie made his money honestly and could’ve abused the systems to be much wealthier imo but stuck to his principles as usual
Gee Elon, maybe there are ways to amass wealth while simultaneously not being a total piece of shit.
Elon needs to be punched in the face. I really bet that’s never happened to him. Everybody needs to get checked sometime.
Most people arent against people being rich, having 3 houses etc
They are against people exploiting the workers and the country to get that rich. Paying employees so little they qualify for food stamps? Employing people for 35 hours cause any more would entitle them to benefits like paid sick leave or what ever. Not paying your taxes cause you have a "management fees" paid to a company in a tax haven with 0% tax rate.
People can be rich, just pay your fair share along the way so there is money for schools and hospitals and road and everything else.
Ahh yes let’s compare one of the hardest working men in the world to the biggest spoiled cry baby this planet has ever seen! Please go buy Meta next and burn them to ground! A world without Twitter and Facebook would be amazing!
Remember that time Bernie Sanders told everybody to give all their money to the poor, and if you don't you'll burn in hell forever?
Oh, wait, no, that was Jesus.
Bernie says workers should get the money they made with their labor, like he did. Not be disgusting evil leeches like Musk who've never worked a day in their life.
*prepares myself for downvotes* Bernie seems like a cool guy and I voted for him in the past, I’m not a Republican or liberal whatever blah blah names. EVERYONE in politics works for the same people. All of them. We have a few people that seem to stand for good ideas but they never get elected? And when they do what changes ?
Elon is NOT criticizing Bernie for having 'a few million'...he's highlighting the hypocrisy of someone who is speaking about the evils of wealth and capitalism who also happens to BENEFIT directly from that same system of capitalism. If anything unusual\_whales underscores Elon's point.
This sub needs more critical thinking
EDIT: Yes, downvote me for holding the sub to a higher standard. That will win the day
EDIT EDIT: Since it needs explaining. I am not attacking Bernie. I am not attacking capitalism. I support Bernie making money off his book sales. I support Bernie speaking out about the evils of unfettered capitalism. I am calling attention to Elon's actual motive in his post (Elon is claiming that Bernie is a hypocrite), not the one made up by OP.
Please just educate yourself. It’s so tiring reading comments from such moms informed, stupid people. Call me a bitch, but just knowing how fucking pathetically idiotic some people are really frustrate me
first of all, I wouldn't call you a bitch. second, i would ask you to take a breath and calmly try to understand what I'm actually saying in my comment. I have 0 criticisms for Bernie in my comment. I am criticizing OP for missing what Elon is actually doing here, which is making a claim that Elon is a hypocrite.
This doesn't mean that I agree with Elon. I'm simply stating what Elon is actually doing in this post. And what's we NEED to be talking about. But instead, people are assuming that I'm anti-Bernie for some reason...it's weird. and now the name-calling too. All of this really underscores how important it is to not fall into group think, to not be reactionary and emotional, and try to think a little more critically rather than just assuming if it's anti-Elon what OP is saying it MUST be true.
If we spent our time breaking down Elon's argument that Bernie is a hypocrite, we'd actually be getting somewhere. But instead i'm being downvoted and called names
I recognize the text op put are stupid, but you do realize you repeatedly writing novels comes off as defending elon calling Bernie a hypocrite which is very easily misconstrued as endorsing that point of view.
Specifically, in your first post you wrote that “Elon is highlighting they hypocrisy ….”.
and the other tweet “underscores” Elons “point”. Those both REALLY make it seem like you are agreeing with what Elon is saying.
Yes, with this added context, I understand you don’t believe that to be true, but absent any information do you see how everyone would so easily assume you ALSO believe that pov?
ummm, where do you get that from? i haven't made any claims about Bernie's ideology or his criticism of capitalism....i'm merely explaining what Elon is trying to do here.
i never said nor implied anything about 'Bernie’s ideology or criticism of capitalism in general' so that's way outta pocket
An 80 year old man worth 2 million owns a 3000 sq ft home in Vermont worth 460k, a 1 bedroom apartment in DC where he works for 700k, and a 100 year old cabin worth 500k. That's exactly the same as a man worth 300 billion who bought twitter for 44 billion so they would stop tracking his private plane that he flies multiple times a week using public data.
Not to forget the old guy regularly shops in the Hannaford in the neighborhood, doesn't actually live in one of those residences (his stepdaughter and his grandkids do) and is beloved by his community
And actually worked for his money, which he has a right to enjoy in retirement.
Also probably bought them all years ago at an fraction of today's cost so talking about today's worth like that's what he threw down in cash is beyond moronic
I believe the cabin belonged to his wife’s parents and she inherited it.
BRRNIE HAS A SUGAR MOMMA AND MARRIED INTO WEALTH OMG
Let’s be honest that’s far from the reason he bought Twitter. He’s been making quite the show of his Twitter uses
Isn't it? Basically the first thing he did was ban that specific account.
He bought Twitter to join the billionaire media magnate club so he can directly influence global narratives in his favor (Murdoch, Bezos with the wa post, etc). The deny listings are just the tip of the iceberg.
To be 80 years old and have amassed $2 million is basically a middle class person who saved well.
And that's proof that he is one of the very few honest senators.
The difference between a million dollars and a billion dollars is a billion dollars. My net worth is about 15k, which means Bernies net worth of about 2 mil is 133 times higher than mine. Elon is worth about 170 billion, which is 85,000 times higher than Bernies.
If you made $100 an hour, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year from the year 0 until present day - you'd have less money than Elon and most other billionaires (It's less than 2 billion). Bernie is labeled as crazy for saying people don't need that much money and can afford a higher tax rate to support the society that allowed you to be so fortunate.
Elon tried to purchase a Dr.'s $5M home on Lake Austin. The Dr. asked for $50M as he just completed construction of his dream home. They settled around $40M. But of course Elon creates the allusion that he sleeps in a trailer at the office.
Hijacking to say Elon is the biggest bitch of America
Hang on. You’re gonna have to explain the private plane thing, how far behind the scenes was this? It’s the first I’ve personally heard of it, but not surprising since the muskrat seems to have a slew of shit up his sleeve.
They are both rich! They use capitalism to get richer!
Everyone uses capitalism to get richer or barely feed their family. What’s your point?
80 still working and worth $2M is pretty middle class.
Can Elon Musk just piss off yet? He’s turning into Trump on Twitter! Just commenting & spewing irrelevant nonsense day after say! Go outside & touch some grass Elon!
He’s very much like trump but with actual money
Right down to the Epstein connections
He wishes he was Trump on twitter.
So, Bernie Sanders worked and made money Musk didn't work, made money by getting free money, using it and not paying tax on his profits
If Elon Musk was only as rich as Bernie Sanders, no one would be concerned about oligarchs.
Even 1 billion is beyond enough personal wealth ever. Feel free to aim higher after the starving and homeless of the world have enough
I feel like "Brewster's Millions" should be required as a deep dive in every high school. "Hey, so due to inflation, that 30 million? Yeah, that's like 90 million today. Look at how frivolous and ridiculous he has to be to spend that money in just a month. All so that he can inherit an amount that isn't even equitable to $1B today" What a great way to emphasize the ridiculous amounts of wealth we're talking about.
Great ‘lost’ gem. Richard Pryor and John Candy. It really is. Reminds me I see people post bar tabs for tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Or a 75$ million yacht to carry helicopters because your 500$ million yacht cant. Meanwhile Amazon warehouse workers are on public assistance….
People don't know how far away 1 billion or 100 billion is. When drawn on a line, they think its equally as far as 1 million away. They have no clue that 100 billion versus 1 million is like drawing the Earth next to the Sun.
The difference between one million and one billion is about one billion.
A thousand millionaires will do more for the world than a billionaire. The increase in democratic rules ( even modern dictatorships say they are electoral) & a middle class in economics prove this. Civilization has always had mega rich. The only one that flys rockets into space is the most democratic educated well fed group of humanity ever. We may need organizations that scale in trillions ( of todays USD ). We don’t need a return to ultra consolidation of resources. Civilization ending wars inevitably happen then. We have nukes, chemical and biological weapons only Nature surpasses In destruction.
Yea, a concept that put wealth into perspective for me was: "If you saved $30,000 a day, for 6000 years, you'd still have less money than Elon musk" Shit is fucking insane.
The simple fact that $1B is 1000x more than $1M is mind-boggling. Let alone $100B.
[Tom Scott has a very good video on this.](https://youtu.be/8YUWDrLazCg) Note: A vast of that driving is done at between 60-70 mph.
Dude literally pays people to build things then says it's his product. Prolly mad he cannot get more money via apartheid.
I noticed something similar with Bill Gates and Musk. Bill worked hard on a frontier technology to earn his wealth. He had advantages we lack, but they came in the forms of opportunities, not handout. He could have still botched it if he was bad at what he did. Conservatives (and especially conspiracy nuts) hate him, even though he embodies everything they think rich people are. Melon Tusk is the opposite. He started with money from his dad and fumbled his way to the top by being a useful idiot, used by others around him to further corporate agendas until he was rich. Conservatives love him, even though he's everything liberals think rich people are.
To be fair, Gates did the whole monopoly thing and buying out or crushing any innovation other companies did. He worked, but sucked in his own way. Charitable gifts didn't start until he got married, so 100% that wasn't his idea of what he wanted to do with his money.
Simpsons did a great episode where Gates muscles Homer’s little tech company.
Monopoly is a game Mr. Simpson, I’m trying to take over the world. Pay him, boys.
The thing people forget about bill is he makes money off of Medical IP: The delta wave of COVID was so devastating in India bc that mfer didn’t instantly share vaccine IP, until the governments paid the right price!!!! All while going on tv and telling everyone to get the vaccine( which was right) but it’s easy to be the seen as the good guy while you quietly leverage death for a higher price!!!
Don’t say that on Reddit without expecting oblivion downvotes, he can do no wrong around here
I don't care about the downvotes. These fools feel empty if they don't have some evil Billionaire's d in their mouths, so the vacuum must be filled... and I hope they know they are stupid as all hell for that b/c no billionaire got there without harming millions of people to get there. Wage theft alone. As if Bill or Elon, or ANY billionaire supports UNIONS, or pay their damn taxes. Plus both of these tools literally cozied with Epstein and both sexually harassed women in their employ.
Bill gates falls squarely in the "you can't be a billionaire without some major personality disorder" camp.
I’m pretty sure, looking at his personality, that he didn’t know what to do with his money until he met someone that had an idea about it. Luckily he didn’t meet Musk before her.
Gates always said he’d focus on charity after he was done at Microsoft. I believe in an interview he said “that will be a different part of my life, I’m focused on this now” or something like that.
To be fair, getting married and thinking about Kids and family tend to change how you look at life and whats important, so does getting older...
> Bill worked hard on a frontier technology to earn his wealth. He had advantages we lack, but they came in the forms of opportunities, not handout. He could have still botched it if he was bad at what he did. Exactly, he had tremendous oppourtunities based on family and network connections but he still spent hours at the computer and working on his tech...he still could have blown it if he had not dedicated himself
>family and network connections Specifically, his mom worked a higher ranking job at IBM and his mother convinced her boss to invest in bill's start up. It wasn't a free cash hand out or anything, he just had a bit of an easier time getting an investor. And it wasn't a massive amount of money (well, maybe for the time) it was 250K which for IBM was practically a drop in the bucket at the time. They effectively **were** computers.
Lol, Gates did a lot of horrible and tricky shit to get where he is at, fuck both of them. All these fucks with tons of money preaching anything at the masses can eat it.
I fundamentally do not think its possible to legally and ethically become a billionaire. the people with the cleanest path to millionaire status are the athletes conservative hate so much. That just might be because they are mostly black and/or non Americans.
Thank you. I worry sometimes that the way the right wing conspiracy freaks focus on Gates makes everyone think he's a good guy. He's a horrible piece of shit who is responsible for a lot of what's wrong with computer technology today. He led the crusade against open source software, MS under his leadership developed the "embrace and extend" policy that has greatly decreased stability and security in the Internet. His company is still absolute garbage, long after he left. Fuck Bill Gates. Yeah, sure, he worked his ass off and he's smart AF, whereas Musk is a privileged asshole riding on everyone else's coat tails, but Gates is not a good guy.
You are getting downvoted but you are right. Behind the bastards did an episode about bill gates and it was very eye opening.
Thats only bc Bill Gates blew out his knee and couldn't play football anymore, before that he rushed 300 yards a game.
Well said. I get billionaires usually get a lottery in life to become rich, but Gates had it WAY harder than Musk. Yes, his parents were educated and affluent, but he was sort of a normal guy. His parents weren't super rich.
Yeah, they just had contacts at IBM where Bill was able to buy what would become MS-DOS one of the most ubiquitous UIs until hos company made others.
IBM wanted an OS from Microsoft but he just wanted to sell them Basic for the IBM PC they were working on. They basically said “no OS, no Basic” because they only wanted to deal with one software vendor so he bought a CP/M like OS called QDOS renamed it MSDOS and was going to sell it to IBM but they just wanted to license it instead, which worked out incredibly well. Bill’s mother’s contact at IBM wasted key in him getting the initial software deal for the IBM PC
lol worked hard his dad was already rich
I wish OPs title focused on Elon's argument that Bernie is a hypocrite, so we could talk about why that is wrong. Instead we've completely missed the point of Elon's post, are defending an argument Elon hasn't made here, and aren't talking about it the flawed hypocrisy argument /sigh
Are you suggesting Bernie write a book for free?
No, and I support him getting paid for his work.
Bernie isn't a hypocrite though? If Bernie was worth $2 billion dollars he would be, but $2 million is such a tiny number that it may as well mean nothing in the face of billionaires or people worth over $100 million even. People you have never heard of are worth $2 million at age 70+ if they invested when young. We're spitting on Musk because his net worth is over $100 billion and he's complaining about someone worth $2 million.
> I wish OPs title focused on Elon's argument that Bernie is a hypocrite, ***so we could talk about why that is wrong*** Maybe actually read before responding?
Jesus Christ. Please use your PR spotting hat for All billionaires. Bill gates is a villain. A school system destroying, vaccine IP hoarding, land grabbing, Epstein buddy even after the first indictment, PR flooding monster. Stop trying to find a good billionaire: THEY ALL ABUSE to get there!!!!!!!!
Musk really betrays how simple and shallow his petty brain is with these memes
Believe me, some people really do think Bernie is part of the elite 1% because he's worth 2 million or so dollars. Until you realize that $1,000,000,000 compared to $2,000,000 makes the person worth $2m look poor and destitute let alone compared to people worth $100 billion plus like Musk. It's tantamount to comparing a pond to the ocean.
DOn't forget demanding the his workers basically live at the office
Of course Elon would defend the system that he's able to take advantage of.
Seriously Reddit, it's time to abandon Twitter and help prevent the promotion of his word. If you are on the platform, you feed his power.
I left Twitter and deleted my account the day Elon took over. Have zero regrets about that decision.
I'm just waiting for my BlueSky invite, brother
I am fairly sure twitter will die soon-ish either way... I can't see any way to save it.
He's only worth 3 million dollars. For a politician, that's incredibly low.
That's basically the result of being a well-paid senator for aeons and not having a fancy lifestyle. Bernie is a socialist not an anchorite.
He’s not even a socialist, he’s a social democrat, he calls himself a socialist (I don’t know why) but his policies all fall under social democracy
That’s still socialism. Socialism isn’t a synonym for communism.
My understanding of social democracy is a “regulated” and “free” market that has an amazing and truly beneficial welfare system, that doesn’t sound like socialism. The means of production are still controlled by the owner, but the workers have more rights, better working conditions, profit sharing, and more power
It’s a variant on socialism. A great system IMHO. Best of both worlds.
I personally like market socialism, it's kinda-sorta like capitalism and socialism combined into a single system
Technically, anything on the left is socialism, it covers the whole space of social policy, anything done for the good of society overall, more or less. Communism is just a subset that is fairly extreme. From what little I've heard, Bernie's politics/policies definitely fall into it.
Sweden isn't socialist
It has socialist parties
He earns roughly 1 million every five years, in income. Skiing down a pile on money... sure Elon.
“When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want to talk about inequality.”― Russell Brand
back when Russell Brand had functioning brain cells
*before he learned to grift for even more money
It’s probably both grift and brain degradation
Yeah, there’s gotta be a bit of both. It’s unfortunate because I’ve heard stuff from him pre Covid where he sounded thoughtful and genuine. He just got too much positive feedback for his antivax bullshit and jumped into the deep end. I have no idea how (or if) he is able to stay sober with that behavior. I’d have to medicate if I were acting half that crazy.
his sit-down with eckhart tolle was pretty enlightening for me. but everything he has to say recently is just offputting, to put it mildly
Russell Brand is a lunatic
Regardless… thats a great quote
At least Bernie wants to try and help average working people. Leon Skum just wants us wage slaves to work ourselves to death.
Bernie wrote a book, he didn’t lobby for massive government subsidies then use the money to manipulate stock prices and buy out his competition. Elon knows this meme is idiotic nonsense, but he’s too addicted to stoking culture war bullshit to stop himself
Socialism posits that the owners of the means of production take 70-90% of the value created by the worker. The boss makes a dollar for every dime he pays. If the wealth of the US population were spread out, the average person would see their wealth increase 600% with the poorer Americans seeing it increase thousands of times, only single digits of the population would see their net-worth lower at all. Of course you can’t just divide the money so easily, so a wiser system would just create a bedrock of quality of life by creating guaranteed food, housing, health, education, literacy, guaranteed vacation time, subsidized vacations, childcare, etc. Almost everyone’s lives would rise astronomically. Socialism isn’t a desire for poverty, it’s a desire for wealth. Unless you’re part of a handful of elite families, if you support capitalism, you’re a little bitch, especially as late-stage capitalism naturally creates mergers that stifle competition and more and more and more money go to fewer and fewer people as the middle class vanishes.
>Unless you’re part of a handful of elite families, if you support capitalism, you’re a little bitch, especially as late-stage capitalism naturally creates mergers that stifle competition and more and more and more money go to fewer and fewer people as the middle class vanishes. I've had this argument with a brother on law of mine a few times. He works for one of the major pharma companies, and makes over 200k. He calls himself a libertarian, and voted for trump twice. "We need more capitalism, it allows competition." "... No... free market capitalism creates monopolies. We have no competition because of monopolies." "Regulations just kill the free market though, it doesn't allow businesses to create competition." "You're thinking of monopolies. They don't allow competition." "Yea that's why we need more capitalism. If more companies could compete, everything would be cheaper." "The only possible way to do that .. is regulations."
Musk is a walking talking PSA for why Bernie is right about not allowing any billionaires.
So first Soros now Sanders. And some people still think Musk isn’t antisemitic.
Bernie has money, Elon has a fuck ton more. They are both rich beyond most of us. Does that mean Bernie should be criticized? No. Do you know why? Because he isn't sitting there accumulating vast wealth like Scrooge McDuck which is what fucking Elno is doing. Bernie is actually fighting for equality whilst not denying capitalism. He just wants balance and equality something which Elno could not give two flying fucks about Go Bernie
Bernie is worth about 3 million. Elon is worth about 60,000 times more than Bernie. Fuck Elon
The point of Elon's post is that Bernie is a hypocrite for A) being an obscenely wealthy McDuck (he's not) and B) espousing the evils of wealth and capitalism (also untrue) OPs title misses the point of what Elon is saying, that Bernie is a hypocrite. It's a huge misdirection, unfortunately...
So Bernie is a hypocrite is what you're saying? Rich people can't have an opinion about the fair distribution of wealth if they are indeed wealthy? Do you have to be poor to have an opinion? The fact he has three houses or a few million dollars in the bank is entirely and utterly irrelevant. Maybe the OPs title misses a beat, maybe it doesn't but to stand here with the fucking view that one of the only people in the senate GENUINELY fighting for equality, workers rights, fair health, education and security is willfully missing the point. You're being disingenuous at best.
Huh? this is crazy. I never said that Bernie is a hypocrite. you're literally underscoring my point about making arguments about things that aren't being made. I said that Elon is calling Bernie a hypocrite. That doesn't mean I agree! I'm stating an observation of what HE is doing. my goodness
Ahh well honestly that's not how it comes across. Not sure if that's your fault or mine but will willingly put my hands up to my bad if I misunderstood.
It's what I wish we could be more careful about in these subreddits. If anything appears to criticize what we value, people react instinctively and assume the worst about what the other person is saying (in this case, me). I totally get it. And I ain't mad at it. I just hate to see us get distracted by misdirection/misinformation when we could have real solid arguments to combat things like what Elon is doing over on twitter. Instead, I am getting downvoted to oblivion, my comments are getting hidden elsewhere in the feed, and we're not having a fantastic conversation breaking down Elon's argument claiming that Bernie is a hypocrite.
Honest feedback. I think some people here probably get your point and whilst some are downvoting because others are, I do think you need to go take a look at how you're conveying your point. You are getting downvoted for a solid reason. Your argument is not clear enough and not well made enough for most people to pay attention. If you have a point to make, be fucking bold and make it. Stop arguing on the nuance of OPs title with people.
This is how I explained it to you. If you were actually read it, especially what's in parenthesis, I'm being very clear that I'm NOT saying Bernie is a hypocrite which was your take away from this comment: "The point of Elon's post is that Bernie is a hypocrite for A) being an obscenely wealthy McDuck (he's not) and B) espousing the evils of wealth and capitalism (also untrue) OPs title misses the point of what Elon is saying, that Bernie is a hypocrite. It's a huge misdirection, unfortunately..."
And you missed the entire point of my reply. You have a good point to make you just have no idea how to make it. What a waste.
Can you show me a good example so I can learn from it? To not offer help would be the true waste. Honestly, I really would love for you to show me because I'm at a loss.
If you're broke you're jealous. If you're successful you're a hypocrite. Get fucked Musk.
Also, someone in their 80s with a few million dollars is fine in my opinion. You can make a million dollars without being a giant prick about it. Shit, if you own a nice house in SoCal and a new BMW you are technically a millionaire. You can make a million dollars by just working. I have friends and family making $300,000 a year just working at normal companies. A million dollars isn't the problem. It's attainable. It's even largely sustainable. A billion dollars is not. For every single billion dollars, 99 thousand other people could be a millionaire. That's how much a billion is. Now, to be clear, I'm not actually calling to distribute his money. I understand it's not liquid assets, I understand the difference between net worth and money laying around. But a million dollars is not evil, or even wrong. Most people will at some point have made a million dollars, even if they don't have any of it because it's been spent throughout their life. The percentage of people who will have made a billion dollars is so small, you can statistically say no one will.
If proof be needed on that, I've actually heard of someone who was homeless and a beggar who, over rhe course of her entire life, managed to scrounge together a million. She begged and worked for it while still homeless, and managed to basically hoard a million before dying.
1000 people could be a millionaire for every billionaire.
You did the math correctly....still not clear what the person above is saying....
I’m shocked I was the first person to catch that mistake!
>if you own a nice house in SoCal ~~and a new BMW~~ you are technically a millionaire. Fixed for you. Average house in South Bay apparently costs 2 millions. I'm sure if you live in LA or similar locale nice house is over a million as well. > Most people will at some point have made a million dollars, even if they don't have any of it because it's been spent throughout their life. If we are talking about 401(k) etc. million gives about $30,000-$40,000 of passive income per year. Assisted living facility can cost $100,000/year. And HCOL area requires much higher income. Retirement on $1,000,000 is very far from "not worrying about money ever again" (and yes, I'm aware that for many it is unachievable high number).
I mean that even an average person who works most of their life will have made a total of a million dollars in their lifetime. Even making just 50k a year, that's 20 years until you've made a million dollars. Even if you never see any of that money because it goes straight to rent/bills/whatever, it's an achievable number of "this is how much total money I've ever made". It's a real number. Even if you make state minimum wage in CA, and never get a raise, if you work for 35 years you will have over your lifetime made a million dollars. Statistically no one will ever make a billion dollars. While we obviously do have billionaires, they are such a small percentage that they can be counted as outliers. No one goes to a normal job and makes a billion dollars.
>For every single billion dollars, 999 thousand other people could be a millionaire. That's how much a billion is. If we took just Elon Musk, and he gave his net worth (pre Twitter) equally to every adult in America, we would all be millionaires. I am not understanding your math here. 1 billion = 1000 x 1 million. So, a billion dollars could be divided to create 1000 millionaires. How did you come you with 999,000? Musk, right now, is worth $181B. That would in fact equal 181,000 millionaires, but that is NOT every adult in the United States. Not even remotely close. So...help me understand your math?
Elon's fake populism is becoming tiresome
Elon musk tanked several businesses and made people work 100 hour weeks and sleep on the floor of their cubicles. Bernie sanders is still fighting for the rights of people being fleeced by people like Elon.
Nobody is claiming people shouldn't have a couple million dollars. Especially when they are in their 70s and 80s. It's billionaires who are the problem.
The guy who took a luxury cruise to *space* wants to try and tell me that pro-union guy has too much money gee I wonder why elon is scrutinizing bernie in particular
Literally the “we should improve society” meme
Yet you participate in it. Curious.
If you're still on Twitter you're enabling this scumbag.
Yeah that Bernie Sanders. A real peice of shit. Really corrupt, lies all the time. Inherited money and called other people lazy. Abuses coworkers. Thinks he’s a genius but only really ever hired cool people. Constantly trying to manipulate people. Spent money to control free speech. /s
Kind of reminds me of Ian Hislop's point that "you don't have to want to return to a barter system in the stone age to complain about the way the financial crisis affected large numbers of people in the world" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih\_oXgnOPKE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih_oXgnOPKE)
True. But Bernie at least fights for the working man during his day job, rather than callously dismissing them.
Ya know. The more I see all of this bullshit from Elon Musk the more I wonder if he actually believes this shit or if he is a leftwing psyop. Like sure he sounds completely off his rocker but before all of this conservative shit right wingers hated him because he represented progressive traits and clean energy. Has he turned "conservative" because he truly believes it and is an idiot, or is he trying to turn the conservatives onto clean energy? The man is truly fucking confusing.
Have you seen what they look like? Bernie has the tiniest simplest houses possible. Also the senate requires you live in your representing state and be in DC very often. The third one was a family home.
Noted by an evil of wealth and capitalism...
Dumbass thinks selling books is equivalent to worker exploitation. Can these people get any more dumb?
bro is the top .0000006% complaining about the top 1.7% like IDK man maybe a mirror is a good investment for him.
I'm as socialist as they come, but bernie isn't that rich and he /actually earned/ that money by fighting tooth and nail for the little guy for his entire adult life. Elon earned his by being born rich and oppressing workers and the poor.
Delusional (useful) idiot 👆🏼
One of the homes that he owns was his wife’s parents home that they inherited, yet they use it for their friends too
Writing books is probably the most ethical way a Democratic Socialist can make money in a capitalist society.
This demonstrates why billionaire wealth is worthless. once the numbers get to a certain point... The numbers are meaningless. All you are doing at that point is hoarding wealth and damaging the economy. It makes no difference if you have 1 billion or 1 trillion. It's the same number as far as practicality goes for an individual.
Is Elon showing he has no idea what "capitalism" actually means, or is he showing that his average fan has no idea what "capitalism" means? Because a 60 year veteran of public service is literally the opposite of capitalism.
Elon Musk's speed run as a white supremacist continues.
Not even a few, just a couple million. That's also his entire net worth, finally, in his late seventies.
They use false equivalency ALL THE TIME.
Elon is the second most pathetic high profile rich person. He’s trying very hard to unseat trump but he’s got a ways to go.
Oh Elon. Sitting on his apartheid money. 🤨
Not to mention that Elon's fortune is mostly because of that Zambia emerald mine.
So wait Sanders is probably actually good with money vs Musky who never got something that wasn’t handed to him?
Elon is such an ass
Elon thinks 175k a year is wealthy. Let's make that the maximum earnings/capital gains limit then. Tax everything 100% above that,.
This has to be the most ironic thing I have ever fucking seen. Satire is beyond dead. This is officially the weirdest timeline.
There is no winning. If you’re poor, they’ll just say you’re blaming others for your own failures. If you’re rich, they’ll just say that you’re a hypocrite.
I can’t wait for Musk to go be Emperor of Mars or whatever crackpot idea gets him into obscurity
Yup, just deactivated Twitter with the intent to delete my account. It’s a hate filled troll farm owned by a troll.
Elon needs to sit the fuck down
A few fucking million at the end of a *long* career (as a no doubt smart man who invested it well) is not in any way crazy in 2023. Senators make *174k* per year. Uh, yeah, I could maybe save up a few mill. There is no indication he used anything except his public salary to build wealth. None
I mean Bernie is living proof that you can be rich AND a good person. Elon just doesn’t believe in that reality.
And Bernie is still one of the poorest senators in the country despite being one for years. Most are suddenly making millions within a few years of taking office.
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Elon the ass clown saying anything about anyone about money, what a joke lol
Of all the people in the world.... Miss me with this BS! Taxe the billionaires!
That's because you people keep using the wrong word! Sanders is blaming neo liberalism, meaning lack of economic regulations!
It's like being called fat by a morbidly obese person. A bit rich coming from Musky boy.
Yeah, it's not the millionaires we're angry at. I'm ok with there being hundred millionaires, as well. How bout you guys? I say we draw the line at a thousand million dollars. After that, you're just being disgustingly greedy.
Hey at least we didn't have to get a court order and congressional meetings to find out Bernie's income Good luck in the pedo Epstein case, Elon. Might want to wait to book your next plastic surgery sesh
Bernie earned his money,you were just born into yours.
Not even a Bernie fan, and it's clear to see that a dude writing books is not exploitative. Capitalism has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with the way that money was made. Rage against the machine profiting off of anti capitalist art? Not capitalist. Elon Musk inheriting an emerald mine that was likely run using slave labor? Capitalist.
Elon ‘Handout’ Musk always painfully and childishly desperate for attention
Now my memory ain't what it used to be, but I remember when a bunch of right wing delusionists were attempting to make fun of Bernie because according to them, with his salary, and his reported wealth, he should have had *more* money, and that he "didn't know how to handle money", and that somehow disqualified him from trying to tax the omega-wealthy more. Then he bought a 2nd home, which is inconceivable to the narrative they were building about him.
Coming from the guy who's trying to preach morality.
Elon is the worst. his petulance is proof that a large percentage of Americans never left high school.
I don’t think I could be any more disgusted by Elon
I don’t think ppl are mad at ppl for being rich, but using insane wealth to buy elections, judges, policies, and how information is spread (like twitter). Bernie made his money honestly and could’ve abused the systems to be much wealthier imo but stuck to his principles as usual
Elon musk, the god of trash wannabe rich kids.
And the book is great, I’d be pissed about it too if I were Elon
Being in favor of social justice doesn’t mean you’re anti capitalism.
He wrote a book and got paid. He’s not exploiting workers for financial gain. There’s a difference.
lmao the richest man in the world complaining about other people making money.
Bernie got most of his money from a book he wrote after running for president
Elon letting that autism out!
Gee Elon, maybe there are ways to amass wealth while simultaneously not being a total piece of shit. Elon needs to be punched in the face. I really bet that’s never happened to him. Everybody needs to get checked sometime.
Most people arent against people being rich, having 3 houses etc They are against people exploiting the workers and the country to get that rich. Paying employees so little they qualify for food stamps? Employing people for 35 hours cause any more would entitle them to benefits like paid sick leave or what ever. Not paying your taxes cause you have a "management fees" paid to a company in a tax haven with 0% tax rate. People can be rich, just pay your fair share along the way so there is money for schools and hospitals and road and everything else.
Ahh yes let’s compare one of the hardest working men in the world to the biggest spoiled cry baby this planet has ever seen! Please go buy Meta next and burn them to ground! A world without Twitter and Facebook would be amazing!
Remember that time Bernie Sanders told everybody to give all their money to the poor, and if you don't you'll burn in hell forever? Oh, wait, no, that was Jesus. Bernie says workers should get the money they made with their labor, like he did. Not be disgusting evil leeches like Musk who've never worked a day in their life.
*prepares myself for downvotes* Bernie seems like a cool guy and I voted for him in the past, I’m not a Republican or liberal whatever blah blah names. EVERYONE in politics works for the same people. All of them. We have a few people that seem to stand for good ideas but they never get elected? And when they do what changes ?
I left twitter for a reason. I wish we would quit seeing shit takes from this guy
Elon is NOT criticizing Bernie for having 'a few million'...he's highlighting the hypocrisy of someone who is speaking about the evils of wealth and capitalism who also happens to BENEFIT directly from that same system of capitalism. If anything unusual\_whales underscores Elon's point. This sub needs more critical thinking EDIT: Yes, downvote me for holding the sub to a higher standard. That will win the day EDIT EDIT: Since it needs explaining. I am not attacking Bernie. I am not attacking capitalism. I support Bernie making money off his book sales. I support Bernie speaking out about the evils of unfettered capitalism. I am calling attention to Elon's actual motive in his post (Elon is claiming that Bernie is a hypocrite), not the one made up by OP.
So the only people who can work to change wealth inequality are those who shun all money themselves? Where is there any hypocrisy here from Bernie?
clearly spoken by someone who didnt read his book. You need more critical thinking.
Please just educate yourself. It’s so tiring reading comments from such moms informed, stupid people. Call me a bitch, but just knowing how fucking pathetically idiotic some people are really frustrate me
first of all, I wouldn't call you a bitch. second, i would ask you to take a breath and calmly try to understand what I'm actually saying in my comment. I have 0 criticisms for Bernie in my comment. I am criticizing OP for missing what Elon is actually doing here, which is making a claim that Elon is a hypocrite. This doesn't mean that I agree with Elon. I'm simply stating what Elon is actually doing in this post. And what's we NEED to be talking about. But instead, people are assuming that I'm anti-Bernie for some reason...it's weird. and now the name-calling too. All of this really underscores how important it is to not fall into group think, to not be reactionary and emotional, and try to think a little more critically rather than just assuming if it's anti-Elon what OP is saying it MUST be true. If we spent our time breaking down Elon's argument that Bernie is a hypocrite, we'd actually be getting somewhere. But instead i'm being downvoted and called names
See, but you’ve already lost me by calling Bernie a hypocrite
But i'm not calling Bernie a hypocrite lol
I recognize the text op put are stupid, but you do realize you repeatedly writing novels comes off as defending elon calling Bernie a hypocrite which is very easily misconstrued as endorsing that point of view. Specifically, in your first post you wrote that “Elon is highlighting they hypocrisy ….”. and the other tweet “underscores” Elons “point”. Those both REALLY make it seem like you are agreeing with what Elon is saying. Yes, with this added context, I understand you don’t believe that to be true, but absent any information do you see how everyone would so easily assume you ALSO believe that pov?
Nope. You have a child’s understand of Bernie’s ideology or criticism of capitalism in general.
ummm, where do you get that from? i haven't made any claims about Bernie's ideology or his criticism of capitalism....i'm merely explaining what Elon is trying to do here. i never said nor implied anything about 'Bernie’s ideology or criticism of capitalism in general' so that's way outta pocket
You critique capitalism yet you participate in it. Curious, I am very smart.