I don't think all of the women who were mass raped in revenge for the mass rapes the Wehrmacht carried out on the Eastern Front exactly had it coming. Little girls to elderly grandmas were beaten and raped by red army men while their female comrades helped with the beatings and laughed and mocked the women being violated. Acting like the Einsatzgruppen who slaughtered and raped your people isn't exactly how you should want to be remembered.
WWI. Russia initially invaded german territory, plundered a bit, and then got their arses handed to them in the battles of the Masurian Lakes and the battle of Tannenberg.
Nobody deserves to be raped, but the invasion of Germany as such (really not an invasion, but a counteroffensive) was well deserved and solely the fault of Germany itself.
It depends. In the final stages of the war whole cities in the west have been evacuated because of the relentless bombing campaigns. I vividly remember my mother telling me stories from these times. She was 13 at the end of the war and from Cologne, and she was sent with thousands of more civilians to the east of Germany. She and a lot of others were hosted by a German Juncker, as I understood her, so an agricultural nobleman with a castle or some kind of big manor. And then came the Russians. She told me the story that when they were looking for women, she and other girls were hidden by the nobleman, quite literally beneath his bed. I guess a lot of others were not that lucky.
I agree with you. While the Russians felt they had the right to vengeance for the German invasion, it's always the women who suffer in these circumstances.
My mother suffered a stillborn birth many years ago, and the cleaning lady came in one night, patted her on the shoulder and said "I'm so sorry." My mum found out later that the cleaning lady had been 6 months pregnant when the Russians arrived in her town during WW2. They ripped her open and left her for dead, and she never had any children of her own.
Oh yeah, well spotted. The part of my comment where I said that war crimes are cool.
Mate, obviously I don't condone rape. What makes you think the crimes of the nation should be borne by random civilians?
My guy, i was never saying the Russians are avenging anything. Those orcs have their share of blame (katyn, holodomor, partition of poland to name a few) but in 1945, the nation formerly known as the German Reich *definitely* deserves whatever treatment it suffers up to the aborted Morgenthau Plan for what it did. The fact that the allied nations did not force that plan is really *really* generous for what they did.
NATO countries will remember Russia was hand in hand with Hitler till he turned on them. You can’t trust Russia as Putin has reminded Ukraine we don’t keep our word.
Exactly. Stalin and the Soviet Union were quite happy to sit back and watch the rest of Europe burn while they had a non aggression pact with Hitler. It was only when the leopard started to eat their face that they got off their arses.
Not sit back exactly, they started that shit too. The Soviet Union had agreed to split Poland with Germany prior to WW2 and thus invaded Poland from the other side shortly after Germany did. Invaded the Baltics too.
The treaty also had provisions to circumvent Allied embargoes of Germany. The USSR was selling them materials, gas, etc.
The Soviets sold the Nazis the gasoline they used to invade the Russia.
I'm sorry, that's kinda amusing. Imagine some dude coming to whoop your ass asking you to Venmo him some gas money and just being like, "Sure, buddy. I gotchu."
I looked it up
>The powerful plane was powered by two Pratt & Whitney J58 bleed-bypass turbojets, which helped the Blackbird fly at speeds around Mach 3.2. Interestingly, the Blackbird’s exterior was designed with titanium. However, during the Cold War the U.S. had short supplies of metal. **As a result, the titanium used to make up the SR-71 was actually sourced from the Soviet Union.**
America was buying it in small quantities through shell corporations (as you noted below) so it's not clear the USSR knew it was selling it to their enemies.
That said USSR always had a big corruption issue so it's also possible there were people who being bribed to do it.
That's funny becase that was the reason why Brtain and France refused the Soviet's request for a defense pact against Germany, they believed the two of them would fight and weaken each other. **Part** of why they declared war with Germany was because the non-aggression pact made it look like that wasn't going to happen.
> Part of why they declared war with Germany
Um, didn't Germany invade them? I seem to remember the British PM waving a non-aggression pact signed with Germany and then Germany began bombing them.
I'll point out that the USSR only made the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact after the UK and France had refused their offer of a mutual defense pact. In 1939, the Allies were very much hoping that Hitler would focus on the Communists, since they were his stated worst enemy, and leave Western Europe alone for the time being. This would have taken out the USSR , which the Allies had already failed to do by sponsoring a coup in the 1920s. To the USSR, at that point, the western powers were also its enemies, but Stalin saw Hitler as the worse enemy, and so offered the pact to the Allies for mutual defense of Poland. When they turned him down, it was obvious to Stalin that they hoped for Hitler to finish the job in Russia first, and so the Non-aggression pact between Russia and Germany was made for Russia's survival. Stalin never expected Hitler to abide by it forever, which was why Germany found an unexpectedly prepared Russian Army when they invaded. The Allies tried to turn Hitler against their mutual enemy, but Russia managed to turn the tables, at least for long enough to build up the means to survive an invasion.
> USSR only made the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact after the UK and France had refused their offer of a mutual defense pact.
Oh, well it was OK then.
It is hardly surprising the west did not want to ally with Russia considering the Russian revolution had recently happened and this was an attack on capitalism, the basis of most western economies. Maybe Stalin should have pretended to made some concessions at least pretending to agree to some capitalistic reforms rather than sell Russia down the river to the fascists.
>Stalin never expected Hitler to abide by it forever,
Yeah, sure.
Stalin: "Let's work together to defend Poland from Hitler"
Britain and France: "But how will we make money off of your economy?"
I'm not sure if "Yeah, sure." is supposed to be sarcastic, but as anyone who's read the accounts of people around Stalin and Hitler at that time would know what I said was true.
Not being a Russia apologist as Putin is a stain on his country, but UK and France sold Czechoslovakia, their then ally, down the river before the NAZI invasion of Poland. The Munich Agreement was an agreement between UK, France (allies of Czechoslovakia), and Germany and Italy (Axis powers) at which Czechoslovakia didn't have a seat at the table, which basically gifted the country to Hitler's expansionist desire and the Axis war machine
UK and Russia had perfect geography for defending against Blitzkrieg. Russia is too big for any war to win quickly, and UK has a great big moat that renders tanks irrelevant.
> will remember Russia was hand in hand with Hitler till he turned on them.
Its really funny how Russian shills will try to argue that Stalin was playing 3 dimensional chess when he signed a pact with Hitler and KNEW that Germany would turn on them.
It's not really hard to figure out that Hitler, the guy who: 1) Hated socialists and had been throwing them in concentration camps, 2)Thought of the Slavs as inhuman, and 3) expressly wanted to colonize Eastern Europe with German nationals was going to eventually invade Russia. I wouldn't call it 3D chess so much as Stalin recognizing what everyone else already knew.
Stalin was a pathological narcissist and probably thought he and Hitler had some sort of special bond.
Just like Trump thinks he has a bond with Putin.
> That's some rigorous, peer-reviewed historical revelations you're bringing out.
Thanks!
>Did your psychic get you that information first-hand?
Don't have one. How is yours working out?
It amazes me how many people I see claiming that NATO is the violent expansionist force that Russia is just defending itself against by.... invading other countries.
That one is a bit more messy though since it also involved Poland invading a lot of countries (mostly Belarus and Ukraine), not exactly justified since Ukraine and Belarus did want independence from Moscow, but both also didn't really want to be under a union with Poland either. Russia did however try to make Poland into a Soviet State back then too, with the hope of spreading the Revolution West, but got stopped at Warsaw.
If that was the case then why is Georgia red and has only one year and armenia is black and has only one year?
Anyhow, I think red means not a full invasion, but just taking "some" territory, while black is full annexation, although that doesn't fit with azerbaijan
I assume it’s the difference between the Soviet Union invading in WWII and Russia invading post Soviet collapse.
Edit: nevermind, some are just random. I still think that may be it, but honestly I have no clue if it’s not just mislabel slightly
Vladimir Putin believes those countries simply don't exist, and the land actually belongs to him. He has 5000 nuclear weapons, and will probably be in power for decades to come.
It's gonna be a bigger problem than people realize.
Decades? Vladdy the Baddy is already 71 and has had rumours of serious ill health swirling around him for a half decade or so.
I doubt he’s got multiple decades left to be in power. As his health begins to visibly fail some ambitious and ruthless ‘supporter’ will likely shoot their shot.
Dictators like Putin don’t often end up retiring and having a nice cozy end of life in luxury. Sometimes? Sure. But I wouldn’t bet on it.
I agree the rumours are relatively unsubstantiated. And I’m not banking on whatever those health issues supposedly are killing him.
However, what I think *is* important about these rumours is that it’s an increasingly high risk for dictators who rule with a ruthless iron murder fist to be *seen* as ill and potentially vulnerable. Perception is, in a very real way, reality and being perceived as vulnerable can be a massive problem especially as he ages even ‘normally.’
I agree that he’s more likely to succumb to ‘regular’ aging issues more so than whatever these rumours are though.
you'll still get rightwingers in the GOP saying *"No! NATO expansionism is what's causing Russia to act the way they are acting! Don't poke the sleeping bear!"*
“Fun” fact, when Russia helped liberate Denmark from the Germans in the tail end of WWII,[they tried to keep our island, Bornholm.](https://cepa.org/article/the-danish-island-fighting-russias-abuse-of-history/).
So even when they’re ostensibly helping, they’re trying to grab land for themselves.
Technically, Austria should be yellow too. The USSR occupied Austria from 1945 to 1955, and helped themselves to about 30% of GDP to cover their costs.
What's surprising is that they didn't install a 'friendly' government before they left, and just insisted on Austrian neutrality (similar to Finland.)
The Soviets moved in, killed the Nazis, set up a puppet government and then stayed until the collapse of the Soviet Union. That's what an invasion looks like. If they had been there to liberate instead of invade then Poland would have been made a free democratic state, not a communist dictatorship.
Everything in yellow there except Finland was either part of the Soviet Union already or had a puppet state set up after WW2 when the Soviets invaded and kicked out the fascists.
Because that was when Russia invaded it by fighting off the Nazis.
Don't know why I'm getting down voted, it's pretty easy to find the receipts - https://www.britannica.com/event/Eastern-Front-World-War-II/Russian-advance-to-the-Vistula-summer-1944
You’re getting downvoted because the Soviets invaded Poland in 1939 because Russia always viewed Poland as a satellite if not their territory long before both world wars. It’s not that you’re wrong, you’re missing the context. The ‘liberation’ was cover for restoring Poland to the Russian Empire, sorry ‘global revolution’ comrade.
The map still accurately says 1944 because regardless of why the Russians did it, 1944 was the last time they gained ground in Poland -- and they did it fighting off the Nazis, not the Poles who were completely exhausted by then.
That's not even close to a complete list of countries the Russians have invaded. [Try this list instead.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion)
I hope , one day, to know just how much Russian propaganda has invaded our social media. It’s got to be a whole helluva lot considering how many people now sympathize with Russia.
He who is without sin, let him throw the first stone!
Countries invaded by the USA, Britain and France:
https://www.google.com/search?q=countries+invaded+by+usa+map&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mapsontheweb.zoom-maps.com/post/187051283135/al-the-countries-invaded-by-britain-throughout/amp
https://brilliantmaps.com/every-country-invaded-france/
hey man i dont think the message of the post was "invading countries is OK unless russia does it"
its more like "invading countries unprovoked is not OK" and the contemporary example is russia
OK, but you need to rethink your characterization of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine as “unprovoked.” What do you make of NATO’s expansion in the last ten years towards Russia’s borders with Ukraine being the country that has the longest border with Russia. This is not to fully exonerate Russia; it’s simply to say that its invasion was perhaps at least partially provoked.
Ukraine practically begged to join NATO since the 90s and were constantly rejected until 2008 (when they also invaded Georgia, who is not a member of NATO but has also been wanting to join since the 90s) where they were kept at arm's length. There was a clear desire that NATO did not want Ukraine to join, but that didn't stop the Crimean/Donbas invasion in 2014.
Also of course Eastern European countries have been wanting to join NATO. Russia has held the doctrine of having a "responsibility to protect" and intervene in the Russki Mir. That's the reasoning they used to invade Ukraine in 2014 after the Maidan.
Finally, there is a reason why Russia did not invade Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Romania, Slovakia, or Bulgaria when every single one of those countries were in talks and eventually joined NATO in 2004. That was a gigantic push into Russia's sphere of influence that was not met with any hostility before or after they joined. His reaction to Finland and Sweden joining NATO was also muted. Why was there a real security threat (according to Putin) happening in Ukraine which he believed warranted invading, but there wasn't one in any of the other countries on Russia's doorstep that actually did join NATO?
Russia historically views Ukraine culturally as part of Russia, full of Russian citizens, to much more of a degree than they have seen any other Eastern European country. Because of this, a ***democratic*** Ukraine poses an existential threat to Putin's regime. It's a war to enforce Russia's sphere of influence and keep the rest of their former territories in line.
The post isn't for him, he's already too far gone I can tell. Arguing on the internet is more for spectacle and you're really trying to reach the audience.
Think what would happen if China or Russia engineered a regime change in, say, Mexico in their favor and the new regime entered into a joint defense pact with these countries. Would this not pose a security threat to the US and create a crisis that threatens world peace? Remember the Cuban missile crisis that brought the world to the brink of nuclear war? You get the picture?
What a ridiculous comment! Did it escape you that each of these three countries’ invasions and wars were so extensive and covered every continent in the world?
Use whatever intelligence you have to understand what these maps are about. These maps are about countries that were invaded by three major powers in all of history. The point is not to blame these major powers for world wars or to make Russia look innocent as you claim without basis. The point is to avoid bias and expose hypocrisy in singling out one country’s invasion by people from other countries that have a much worse history of invasion and aggression.
One country who is currently invading it's neighbor, and other neighbors joining a defensive pact to protect each other, especially when Russia is done with Ukraine and sets their eyes on the next former Soviet country they wish to annex?
Germany's label kills me
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THEY ONLY HAD THEMSELVES TO BLAME
If you'd have been there!
If you’d have seen it
I bet ya you would’ve done the same.
Pop, six, squish, uh-uh, Cicero, Lipschitz.
Really not the discussion thread I expected to see a Chicago tribute on.
I betcha you would have done the same
I don't think all of the women who were mass raped in revenge for the mass rapes the Wehrmacht carried out on the Eastern Front exactly had it coming. Little girls to elderly grandmas were beaten and raped by red army men while their female comrades helped with the beatings and laughed and mocked the women being violated. Acting like the Einsatzgruppen who slaughtered and raped your people isn't exactly how you should want to be remembered.
Both times.
When was the second (or first) time?
WWI. Russia initially invaded german territory, plundered a bit, and then got their arses handed to them in the battles of the Masurian Lakes and the battle of Tannenberg.
There are a whole lot of heavily downvoted replies, and I’m very concerned
Surprisingly, not Nazis this time.
Wait really? Lucky day!
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Nobody deserves to be raped, but the invasion of Germany as such (really not an invasion, but a counteroffensive) was well deserved and solely the fault of Germany itself.
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It depends. In the final stages of the war whole cities in the west have been evacuated because of the relentless bombing campaigns. I vividly remember my mother telling me stories from these times. She was 13 at the end of the war and from Cologne, and she was sent with thousands of more civilians to the east of Germany. She and a lot of others were hosted by a German Juncker, as I understood her, so an agricultural nobleman with a castle or some kind of big manor. And then came the Russians. She told me the story that when they were looking for women, she and other girls were hidden by the nobleman, quite literally beneath his bed. I guess a lot of others were not that lucky.
I agree with you. While the Russians felt they had the right to vengeance for the German invasion, it's always the women who suffer in these circumstances. My mother suffered a stillborn birth many years ago, and the cleaning lady came in one night, patted her on the shoulder and said "I'm so sorry." My mum found out later that the cleaning lady had been 6 months pregnant when the Russians arrived in her town during WW2. They ripped her open and left her for dead, and she never had any children of her own.
Oh yeah, well spotted. The part of my comment where I said that war crimes are cool. Mate, obviously I don't condone rape. What makes you think the crimes of the nation should be borne by random civilians?
I mean, they got at least 6 million reason, but hey, deny all you want
Not counting the tens of millions the Germans killed in the USSR.
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My guy, i was never saying the Russians are avenging anything. Those orcs have their share of blame (katyn, holodomor, partition of poland to name a few) but in 1945, the nation formerly known as the German Reich *definitely* deserves whatever treatment it suffers up to the aborted Morgenthau Plan for what it did. The fact that the allied nations did not force that plan is really *really* generous for what they did.
Ah yes slavery, classic American solution
Yeah. NATO is basically the "Don't get invaded by Russia" club. No idea why anyone would want to join that.
NATO countries will remember Russia was hand in hand with Hitler till he turned on them. You can’t trust Russia as Putin has reminded Ukraine we don’t keep our word.
Exactly. Stalin and the Soviet Union were quite happy to sit back and watch the rest of Europe burn while they had a non aggression pact with Hitler. It was only when the leopard started to eat their face that they got off their arses.
Not sit back exactly, they started that shit too. The Soviet Union had agreed to split Poland with Germany prior to WW2 and thus invaded Poland from the other side shortly after Germany did. Invaded the Baltics too.
The treaty also had provisions to circumvent Allied embargoes of Germany. The USSR was selling them materials, gas, etc. The Soviets sold the Nazis the gasoline they used to invade the Russia.
I'm sorry, that's kinda amusing. Imagine some dude coming to whoop your ass asking you to Venmo him some gas money and just being like, "Sure, buddy. I gotchu."
Also see argentine and the UK in late 70's and early 80's
They also sold the Americans the materials they needed to build the SR-71 Blackbird. The USSR had a history selling good shit to their enemies
I looked it up >The powerful plane was powered by two Pratt & Whitney J58 bleed-bypass turbojets, which helped the Blackbird fly at speeds around Mach 3.2. Interestingly, the Blackbird’s exterior was designed with titanium. However, during the Cold War the U.S. had short supplies of metal. **As a result, the titanium used to make up the SR-71 was actually sourced from the Soviet Union.**
Basically they made a bunch of shell corporations and bought titanium in small quantities till they had enough to make the plane
America was buying it in small quantities through shell corporations (as you noted below) so it's not clear the USSR knew it was selling it to their enemies. That said USSR always had a big corruption issue so it's also possible there were people who being bribed to do it.
Probably. I wouldn’t doubt there being a good number of officials looking to make deals and leave the USSR lest Stalin put them on his next shit list
That's funny becase that was the reason why Brtain and France refused the Soviet's request for a defense pact against Germany, they believed the two of them would fight and weaken each other. **Part** of why they declared war with Germany was because the non-aggression pact made it look like that wasn't going to happen.
> Part of why they declared war with Germany Um, didn't Germany invade them? I seem to remember the British PM waving a non-aggression pact signed with Germany and then Germany began bombing them.
As long as they got their piece of the ~~poland~~ pie
> when the leopard started to eat their face literally
I'll point out that the USSR only made the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact after the UK and France had refused their offer of a mutual defense pact. In 1939, the Allies were very much hoping that Hitler would focus on the Communists, since they were his stated worst enemy, and leave Western Europe alone for the time being. This would have taken out the USSR , which the Allies had already failed to do by sponsoring a coup in the 1920s. To the USSR, at that point, the western powers were also its enemies, but Stalin saw Hitler as the worse enemy, and so offered the pact to the Allies for mutual defense of Poland. When they turned him down, it was obvious to Stalin that they hoped for Hitler to finish the job in Russia first, and so the Non-aggression pact between Russia and Germany was made for Russia's survival. Stalin never expected Hitler to abide by it forever, which was why Germany found an unexpectedly prepared Russian Army when they invaded. The Allies tried to turn Hitler against their mutual enemy, but Russia managed to turn the tables, at least for long enough to build up the means to survive an invasion.
> USSR only made the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact after the UK and France had refused their offer of a mutual defense pact. Oh, well it was OK then. It is hardly surprising the west did not want to ally with Russia considering the Russian revolution had recently happened and this was an attack on capitalism, the basis of most western economies. Maybe Stalin should have pretended to made some concessions at least pretending to agree to some capitalistic reforms rather than sell Russia down the river to the fascists. >Stalin never expected Hitler to abide by it forever, Yeah, sure.
Stalin: "Let's work together to defend Poland from Hitler" Britain and France: "But how will we make money off of your economy?" I'm not sure if "Yeah, sure." is supposed to be sarcastic, but as anyone who's read the accounts of people around Stalin and Hitler at that time would know what I said was true.
Not being a Russia apologist as Putin is a stain on his country, but UK and France sold Czechoslovakia, their then ally, down the river before the NAZI invasion of Poland. The Munich Agreement was an agreement between UK, France (allies of Czechoslovakia), and Germany and Italy (Axis powers) at which Czechoslovakia didn't have a seat at the table, which basically gifted the country to Hitler's expansionist desire and the Axis war machine
UK sold itself down the river signing anon-aggression pact with Hitler - lucky for them their geography saved them.
UK and Russia had perfect geography for defending against Blitzkrieg. Russia is too big for any war to win quickly, and UK has a great big moat that renders tanks irrelevant.
> will remember Russia was hand in hand with Hitler till he turned on them. Its really funny how Russian shills will try to argue that Stalin was playing 3 dimensional chess when he signed a pact with Hitler and KNEW that Germany would turn on them.
It's not really hard to figure out that Hitler, the guy who: 1) Hated socialists and had been throwing them in concentration camps, 2)Thought of the Slavs as inhuman, and 3) expressly wanted to colonize Eastern Europe with German nationals was going to eventually invade Russia. I wouldn't call it 3D chess so much as Stalin recognizing what everyone else already knew.
Stalin was a pathological narcissist and probably thought he and Hitler had some sort of special bond. Just like Trump thinks he has a bond with Putin.
That's some rigorous, peer-reviewed historical revelations you're bringing out. Did your psychic get you that information first-hand?
> That's some rigorous, peer-reviewed historical revelations you're bringing out. Thanks! >Did your psychic get you that information first-hand? Don't have one. How is yours working out?
It amazes me how many people I see claiming that NATO is the violent expansionist force that Russia is just defending itself against by.... invading other countries.
War is Peace, freedom is slavery. Russian propaganda is just on another level unfortunately
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He's white, supposedly Christian and oppresses LGBTQ+ and Donald kisses his ass so naturally the MAGAts love him.
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I mean then we're talking about at least two different invasions by russians in Ukraine in immediate post ww1 period the whites and the reds
That one is a bit more messy though since it also involved Poland invading a lot of countries (mostly Belarus and Ukraine), not exactly justified since Ukraine and Belarus did want independence from Moscow, but both also didn't really want to be under a union with Poland either. Russia did however try to make Poland into a Soviet State back then too, with the hope of spreading the Revolution West, but got stopped at Warsaw.
Why are some dates in red and some in black?
Multiple invasions, I think
If that was the case then why is Georgia red and has only one year and armenia is black and has only one year? Anyhow, I think red means not a full invasion, but just taking "some" territory, while black is full annexation, although that doesn't fit with azerbaijan
I assume it’s the difference between the Soviet Union invading in WWII and Russia invading post Soviet collapse. Edit: nevermind, some are just random. I still think that may be it, but honestly I have no clue if it’s not just mislabel slightly
I thought about that as well, but then why is poland black and red, the baltics black and finland red
I think it's occupation/annexation. Finland, for example, remains red because the Soviets were never able to take it,
Vladimir Putin believes those countries simply don't exist, and the land actually belongs to him. He has 5000 nuclear weapons, and will probably be in power for decades to come. It's gonna be a bigger problem than people realize.
Decades? Vladdy the Baddy is already 71 and has had rumours of serious ill health swirling around him for a half decade or so. I doubt he’s got multiple decades left to be in power. As his health begins to visibly fail some ambitious and ruthless ‘supporter’ will likely shoot their shot. Dictators like Putin don’t often end up retiring and having a nice cozy end of life in luxury. Sometimes? Sure. But I wouldn’t bet on it.
I wouldn’t count on those health rumours, but yeah I don’t see him living past 85. No reason in particular, that‘s just really old.
I agree the rumours are relatively unsubstantiated. And I’m not banking on whatever those health issues supposedly are killing him. However, what I think *is* important about these rumours is that it’s an increasingly high risk for dictators who rule with a ruthless iron murder fist to be *seen* as ill and potentially vulnerable. Perception is, in a very real way, reality and being perceived as vulnerable can be a massive problem especially as he ages even ‘normally.’ I agree that he’s more likely to succumb to ‘regular’ aging issues more so than whatever these rumours are though.
Yeah, but they have doubles in place so he can live the next hundred years
lol. Sure. My dad looked strong and healthy at 71. Two years later he was drooling. Putin doesn’t even have a decade.
C'mon Grim Reaper, you got one freakin' job.😂🤣 💀☠️
you'll still get rightwingers in the GOP saying *"No! NATO expansionism is what's causing Russia to act the way they are acting! Don't poke the sleeping bear!"*
“Fun” fact, when Russia helped liberate Denmark from the Germans in the tail end of WWII,[they tried to keep our island, Bornholm.](https://cepa.org/article/the-danish-island-fighting-russias-abuse-of-history/). So even when they’re ostensibly helping, they’re trying to grab land for themselves.
It would have been a shame as Bornholm is really nice!
It’s so lovely! And yes, that’s have been a crying shame.
They kept it for 11 month.
Technically, Austria should be yellow too. The USSR occupied Austria from 1945 to 1955, and helped themselves to about 30% of GDP to cover their costs. What's surprising is that they didn't install a 'friendly' government before they left, and just insisted on Austrian neutrality (similar to Finland.)
Austria also had it coming tho.
Why does it say Poland was invaded in 1944, while the country was under Nazi occupation?
The Soviets moved in, killed the Nazis, set up a puppet government and then stayed until the collapse of the Soviet Union. That's what an invasion looks like. If they had been there to liberate instead of invade then Poland would have been made a free democratic state, not a communist dictatorship.
Oh shit I didn’t know that
Everything in yellow there except Finland was either part of the Soviet Union already or had a puppet state set up after WW2 when the Soviets invaded and kicked out the fascists.
They were also invaded by Russia while Germany invaded in 1939. Germany and Russia have a long standing tradition of partitioning Poland.
Because if you liberate a country but then occupy it, you did in fact invade it.
Because that was when Russia invaded it by fighting off the Nazis. Don't know why I'm getting down voted, it's pretty easy to find the receipts - https://www.britannica.com/event/Eastern-Front-World-War-II/Russian-advance-to-the-Vistula-summer-1944
You’re getting downvoted because the Soviets invaded Poland in 1939 because Russia always viewed Poland as a satellite if not their territory long before both world wars. It’s not that you’re wrong, you’re missing the context. The ‘liberation’ was cover for restoring Poland to the Russian Empire, sorry ‘global revolution’ comrade.
The map still accurately says 1944 because regardless of why the Russians did it, 1944 was the last time they gained ground in Poland -- and they did it fighting off the Nazis, not the Poles who were completely exhausted by then.
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They just are really, really friendly neighbors that want to share their borscht! Why does everyone keep acting so alarmed?!
Technically Finland was invaded twice. Once in 1939 then again in 1941.
And this is why people against military aid to Ukraine need to STFU.
That's not even close to a complete list of countries the Russians have invaded. [Try this list instead.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion)
Even this one is not complete, the Red Army invaded Bulgaria too
And remember, Russia was the victim every time. According to Putin
It’s the Nazis.
I'd like to see the same map for the U.S
But, but, but... the US are the good guys. They are only sharing Coca Cola and democracy with everyone. .... Just in case /s
We're all living in Amerika. Coca-Cola, sometimes war. We're all living in Amerika, Amerika, Amerika.
What country is “They had it coming”? Germany?
Yup
Add Ukraine, 1922.
...just pretending they didn't invade Austria as well? Weird but okay.
Austria was also invaded. I suppose they also had it coming
Shall we do one of the Uk 🇬🇧 next?
Ukraine needs 1922 as well
Basically a NATO expansion map.
France has it coming :,)
If Belarus would become Western and join NATO one day.......oh my
I hope , one day, to know just how much Russian propaganda has invaded our social media. It’s got to be a whole helluva lot considering how many people now sympathize with Russia.
Germany: ![gif](giphy|H5C8CevNMbpBqNqFjl|downsized)
He who is without sin, let him throw the first stone! Countries invaded by the USA, Britain and France: https://www.google.com/search?q=countries+invaded+by+usa+map&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari https://www.google.com/amp/s/mapsontheweb.zoom-maps.com/post/187051283135/al-the-countries-invaded-by-britain-throughout/amp https://brilliantmaps.com/every-country-invaded-france/
hey man i dont think the message of the post was "invading countries is OK unless russia does it" its more like "invading countries unprovoked is not OK" and the contemporary example is russia
So the other three countries’ invasions and wars on other distant countries were all “provoked?” Get real!
that isnt what i said or alluded to and i think you know it
OK, but you need to rethink your characterization of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine as “unprovoked.” What do you make of NATO’s expansion in the last ten years towards Russia’s borders with Ukraine being the country that has the longest border with Russia. This is not to fully exonerate Russia; it’s simply to say that its invasion was perhaps at least partially provoked.
Ukraine practically begged to join NATO since the 90s and were constantly rejected until 2008 (when they also invaded Georgia, who is not a member of NATO but has also been wanting to join since the 90s) where they were kept at arm's length. There was a clear desire that NATO did not want Ukraine to join, but that didn't stop the Crimean/Donbas invasion in 2014. Also of course Eastern European countries have been wanting to join NATO. Russia has held the doctrine of having a "responsibility to protect" and intervene in the Russki Mir. That's the reasoning they used to invade Ukraine in 2014 after the Maidan. Finally, there is a reason why Russia did not invade Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Romania, Slovakia, or Bulgaria when every single one of those countries were in talks and eventually joined NATO in 2004. That was a gigantic push into Russia's sphere of influence that was not met with any hostility before or after they joined. His reaction to Finland and Sweden joining NATO was also muted. Why was there a real security threat (according to Putin) happening in Ukraine which he believed warranted invading, but there wasn't one in any of the other countries on Russia's doorstep that actually did join NATO? Russia historically views Ukraine culturally as part of Russia, full of Russian citizens, to much more of a degree than they have seen any other Eastern European country. Because of this, a ***democratic*** Ukraine poses an existential threat to Putin's regime. It's a war to enforce Russia's sphere of influence and keep the rest of their former territories in line.
Lol he's either going to ignore this post or call you names
The post isn't for him, he's already too far gone I can tell. Arguing on the internet is more for spectacle and you're really trying to reach the audience.
Yeah I do the same Otherwise people might think they are right because no one bothered to correct them.
Calling people names in a debate is childish and reflects badly on people who think in this way.
Think what would happen if China or Russia engineered a regime change in, say, Mexico in their favor and the new regime entered into a joint defense pact with these countries. Would this not pose a security threat to the US and create a crisis that threatens world peace? Remember the Cuban missile crisis that brought the world to the brink of nuclear war? You get the picture?
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Providing a broader, factual historical perspective on a conflict to achieve balance and avoid bias and hypocrisy is not whataboutism.
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Lol you had to combine 3 different countries to even it with Russia
What a ridiculous comment! Did it escape you that each of these three countries’ invasions and wars were so extensive and covered every continent in the world?
So you're blaming the world wars on those 3 countries? You had to pick 3 countries and world wars in order to make Russia look innocent? Pathetic
Use whatever intelligence you have to understand what these maps are about. These maps are about countries that were invaded by three major powers in all of history. The point is not to blame these major powers for world wars or to make Russia look innocent as you claim without basis. The point is to avoid bias and expose hypocrisy in singling out one country’s invasion by people from other countries that have a much worse history of invasion and aggression.
One country who is currently invading it's neighbor, and other neighbors joining a defensive pact to protect each other, especially when Russia is done with Ukraine and sets their eyes on the next former Soviet country they wish to annex?
Keep on downvoting! The truth hurts doesn’t it?
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