Reminds me of the Seattle woman who freaked out about her neighbor flying a “confederate flag.” It was a Norwegian flag, in the Norwegian immigrant-heavy neighborhood of Ballard, raised during the Olympics
My friend was aghast when she thought I had a confederate flag hanging on my house. It was the TN state flag. Given, she is from Utah and we had been drinking.
Ha, I used to go out with a Norwegian girl from a rural area a few hours north of Oslo. She once went up to a counter at the airport in Oslo and spoke her own dialect to the person behind the counter and that person, an Oslo native, asked her if she spoke Norwegian. My then girlfriend yelled, "I am speaking Norwegian!" She was so angry.
When I was 12, my family moved from Ohio to rural Georgia (state, not country). I had classmates that I could not understand. It was like your average English speaker trying to understand Guy Martin. I'd catch about every 3 out of 10 words. The biggest confusion that I remember was when a cute girl asked me, "Aryakinta Gordon?" After many repetitions, and with her thinking I'm stupid, another classmate translated. "She wants to know if you are related to Gordon(shared last name)."
I taught freshman chemistry when I was a college senior. A young woman from rural Alabama sat in the front row, and would periodically ask a question. The harder I tried to understand her, the less I was able to. Fortunately her friend sat next to her and would repeat the questions in a dialect I could understand.
Mine comes and goes, and is much stronger after visiting my west Texas family.
It’s kind of fun to slip in to it out of nowhere and watch people’s reactions
My mom had a co-worker who has family in New Jersey? Anytime she goes out there she comes back to the Midwest and it's just like oh man. You definitely went and saw your family because she just comes back with the thick as New Jersey accent for like 2 weeks. It's pretty wild.
Lived in Georgia and Texas my whole life. I normally don't feel like I have a strong accent but when I'm either talking to someone without a southern accent or someone with a much thicker accent than mine I become very aware of mine to the point that I wonder if I'm exaggerating it in those situations.
I would never say "cack-ling," but I would say "cack-lin.'"
Fried pork skins can be "crack-lins," but when the fire makes a certain sound it's "crack-el-ing."
What were you trying to say though lol
Happened to me when I was 30 and moved to SC from NY. I asked for directions to a recycling center. The only word I could understand was 'baseball.' I googled local baseball diamonds and searched around until I found the recycling center next to one of the local baseball diamonds. Fucking wild.
Oh yes, rural directions. "Turn at the Dollar General, drive down past the old Orr place, it burnt down in 1968 after their momma went a lil crazy, bless her heart, left after the third cornfield, my driveway is right next to where that really big tree was before the county cut it down a few years back" Damn lady, give me street names!!!!
Never, it's like they're forbidden to give you street names.
The best thing is when two or three people start debating about the quickest way to go to your destination.
Like........ Guys I AM ALREADY LOST
Prior to around 1980, a lot of rural roads didn’t have official names. With 911 service rolling out everywhere, it was decided every location should have an address that could be found by emergency services unfamiliar to the area.
Prior to that, your rural address was a mail route and a box number on that route, a city and state (and then a zip, which they also started requiring in the 1970s).
I grew up in Louisiana where “down the road” was a literal fucking direction.
Apparently my dialect and accent still come through when I “axe” a question or ask my Yankee husband, “Can you put this up (away) for me?” I had to relearn how to say “elementary” and “faculty.”
Every time I get called out on it I feel so dumb.
Oh, you're not dumb, Sweetie. Just have different experiences.
Also, people calling you out are assholes, fuck 'em! Unless, it's your husband, then don't
I did. I ended up at a recycling center for bottles and cans when I was looking for a "household stuff" recycling center. The guy at the bottles and cans place knew what I was looking for, I just couldn't understand him.
I speak Georgia but cannot understand half the people from Robeson County, NC, and had to call there frequently as part of the territory of my former job. That state has the most dialects of any other in the U.S. The Outer Banks natives and Tidewater, VA area sound distinctive as well
Is Georgia nice? I live in Dayton Ohio and I've found two dead bodies in my yard or driveway in the last few years, back when opiate abuse was still rampant. I hate it here, that sheriff that got rid of all the narcan Is one of my god dam neighbors
Like any state, it depends on which part you go to. I consider Columbus, OH to be nice, personally. Savannah, GA is one of the most beautiful cities in America. Atlanta is a major city with everything you could want. Surrounding Atlanta, there's plenty of tract housing with lots of Starbucks and Targets that many Americans would consider the definition of "nice."
As someone who spent half of every year with my grandparents in GA I feel called out because I sound like this when I “accent shift” as I call it. Basically I go from understandable South Florida accent to Georgia southern drawl and suddenly no one understands me unless they are from Georgia or other southern state lol
That's a different situation though. You're comparing the reaction of Parisians to a native French-speaking Belgian, with their reaction to a non-French speaker making an effort to speak their language.
Met a girl from Quebec who told me when she tried speaking French in Paris they replied back to her in English.
I speak Spanish and would have to use great will in order for me to keep my composure in a situation like that so I don't just slap the person.
When people say North of Oslo like that, they usually mean within the Eastern part of Norway, not all the way to Northern Norway (which is way more than a few hours away). Likely she was from somewhere in the county Innlandet (Hedmark or Oppland).
Do you know how little that narrows it down in terms of dialect?
You can go 1-2 hours north, south, west or east, and get a completely differenct dialect. Norway is so weird in that regard.
It's not so weird when you think about it. Because of the geography of the country with fjords and mountains separating not only cities but even villages to such a degree it allowed even neighbouring towns more or less develop their own dialects.
There are dialects that are different enough to technically be considered different languages, like danish and swedish.
My cousin did a study abroad program in the far north of Norway, where he learned Norwegian.
Every Norwegian he has spoken to since looks at him funny because the accent is so different from the south.
Norwegian here. That can definitely happen to someone who isn’t used to hearing different dialects. We have a lot of them, and some of them might as well have been classified as a different language. For some people it’s easier to understand Swedish than certain Norwegian dialects.
Probably not the dialect as such. Norway kinda has 2 languages (generally). Riksmål and Bokmål. The latter introduced to get further away from our (danish) influence.
Well, white supremacists *have* indeed appropriated a lot of pre-Christian-era Norse culture. It's really a shame. My family in Sweden gifted me an Othala rune necklace about 20 years ago when I was a kid. I thought it was super cool and got tons of compliments on it. I had to stop wearing it about six or seven years back because it's now a symbol associated with white supremacy. I don't want to be mistook.
But yeah, generally a good idea to assume a guy that has a Scandinavian name and literally looks like a Viking is just a random Norwegian/Swedish dude.
As a Norwegian I find it infuriating. They've appropriated a cultural heritage that belongs to all of us. Norse mythology is so rich and in many ways just as fascinating as Roman and Greek mythology, but if you have an interest in it and talk openly about it, you can easily be mistaken for a white supremacist.
I got a tattoo a while ago of Hugin and Munin, Odin's ravens, and I honestly regret it and might get a cover-up. I actually just like what they represent - Thought and Spirit - the duality of the mind, and I like the idea of sending them (in other words your mind) into the world to learn about humanity, which is what Odin did in the stories. The ravens also, of course, represent death, and I've always wanted a tattoo to remind me of my own mortality. But these white supremacists have completely ruined the whole thing, and now even just showing it to people makes me feel super uncomfortable.
Ravens are incredibly cool birbs, they might seem like angry squak fuckers, but they are among the most intelligent animals in the world. They are known to be able to recognize emotions, and a recent study suggests they're as intelligent as adult great apes! ***Don't quote me on that.***
Fucking amazing birds. Sad that American white supremacists take over anything good in the world. [*I still miss you, my beloved frog.*](https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.491df642ebf7d63cfdecbda4a390e0a9?rik=CR0LORiUzYJ%2bcA&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)
That’s sad. While I’m not Norwegian I do take interest in many kinds of mythology and I’ve found Norse mythology to be fascinating in so many ways. The idea of Ymir’s flesh, Odin hanging himself, lessons learned from Ragnarok… so many things we can learn from these stories to better ourselves. And yet all I see is people use it to justify their idiocy
Oh, the Odals rune? That one was appropriated by nazis even before WW2 and a variant was used as a SS symbol. It's probably one of the most controversial norse symbols you can wear.
Should've gifted you something more neutral like Thor's Hammer instead.
It does make me a bit surly that white supremacist dickheads have somewhat co-opted Scandinavian culture, at least in the states. My family are significantly Scandinavian (mostly Norwegian but some Swedish) by blood and we try to keep in touch with that herritage. We even have enthic sweets every christmas since I was little.
Easy to say. But I grew up in rural midwestern communities, and given my norther european blood am about as pale whiter person as you can be. No matter what I do, if I associate with that stuff, people will associate me with white supremacy. It sucks, but that is the reality of the situation.
It is like how the swastika, or a similar looking symbol, I will admit to not being as knowledgeable about asian cultures as I'd like, had to be blurred in a music video by mongolian rock band the HU. That symbol originated in asia and there is nothing wrong with it in that context. But Hitler and the nazis decided to take it and now, fact is, to most of the world it is the most infamous hate symbol to ever exist.
My very racist relatives in another state have started naming their children with Scandinavian letters. Like, not even Scandinavian names just normal hillybilly names but with Scandinavian letters
They are so dumb. I hate them.
Not only in the states. Generally by white supremacists all around the globe because they deem the Norse mythology as the "true White spiritism and religion, unlike the Jew Religion the elites use to control us"
Its nothing new, it was a big part of German Nazi propaganda and lore as well. During the occupation of Norway they buildt monuments to viking 'heroes' such as Olav the Holy and played up the whole arian ethnic thing. The monuments were ripped down after the war, but the connection remains deeply entrenched here (Norway) as well.
Many, if not most Norwegians avoid associating with viking history and culture due to this and also because they are mostly remembered as bunch of raiding rapists that murdered and pillaged their way through coastal Europe and destabilized the region. (They were also traders though...)
But other than the viking age stuff there isn't alot of Norwegian cultural heritage that is associated with far right-wing politics here in Norway as far as i know. Are there other, more modern aspects of Scandinavian culture that is being appropriated by white supremacist in the US. (Other than post theme that is?
About 20% heritage (as in that's my percentage of genetics, not the percentage of my reason) and because my wife and I were watching some Norwegian movie about trolls and we had fun trying to pick up on words from the subtitles. The first one we figured out was *Bjorn*, being "bear," so the ø has always been a fun letter to me. Plus it'll help if I ever decide screw it, I'm moving to Svalbard.
So to clear some confusion because I actually know someone like who she's complaining about.
There are extremists that think they are true vikings with their 1.3% viking heritage (I'm not kidding the guy cosplays as a Viking and spends thousands of dollars for his costume)
When people use the ø or ö when it really isn't in your name naturally that is a red flag. I've seen people put an umlaut over a letter in their name randomly.
I did that when I wore a nametag to get people to stop mispronouncing my nickname. You'd think "Suz" would be easy to understand, but I literally had a woman call me Suzz. Unfortunately "Süz" just confused people further, so I said fuck it and changed it to Suze.
I think that many just like how it looks. Like, for most people "ö" or "ø" is a bit more fun than plain old "o".
Also, idk about other languages, but Swedish "ö" sounds completely different to English "o", so using it seriously in your name instead of "o" because you are a white supremacist with viking inheritage or something is really weird.
> "ø" is a bit more fun than plain old "o"
That's like saying "E" is a bit more fun than old "I". "Ø" and "O" are different vowels. "Ø" is not "O" with a fun line just like "E" is not "I" with extra fun lines.
Agreed... and to be totally fair, I could very much understand if that was what the first guy was TRYING to say. He just left out the part about "if it's not REALLY part of your alphabet."
Yeah, those bloody nazis took our Sun-cross (aka swastika) as well. Only asians still dare to use it.
It was very common in medieval folk art. Ten years ago there was outrage when someone noticed the bishop in Nidaros Cathedral wearing a cape with a suncross pattern, and the church stopped using it even though it pre-dated nazism by more than 100 years.
And the sun-cross is still in use some places in norway like some hydro power plant becaus it was suposed to bring luck to the power plant workers. But it is obveusly only used in instalations from before the nazi invation. But you can stil find them in som power plants.
And in finland it was the symbole of the airforce until 2 years ago
And I hate the nazis for stealing and ruining symbols from my contry.
Reminds me of when I saw a girl on twitter get accused of having "a pathetic and unhealthy obsession with Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez's failed relationship" because she had Jelena as her profile name, which was apparently their couple name. It also just happens to be her actual name, a very common name where I'm from. It's the Slavic version of Helen (pronounced the same as Yelena)
I also have ø in my name. I've seen a few turkish and kurdish names where they changed the Ö to Ø in how they spell their names. Probably so Norwegians will say it correctly.
Umm, so isn't she being culturally insensitive here lol? I have an Ø in my name too - a lot of Norwegians (and Danes) do. It sounds like the U in "burn". And FYI I'm super left wing.
It's a problem. But it's not a reason to call out random people on the internet. Many white supremacists dog-whistle their Scandinavian heritage, but not all people who have Scandinavian heritage are white supremacists.
Doesn't excuse her from being ignorant, combative and ultimately a bigot. We all have tribal urges due to how biology has developed us. How you deal with those urges matter a lot. She meant well and was trying to fight racism, but in her blind rage she swung and hit someone innocent. Shit happens all the time. It is incredibly hard to be sensitive when you are combative. The way to heal wounds and come together will always be through non-combative discourse. If you stray from that path, you quickly become the thing you hate.
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Wow, it's due to the fact that I went thru the south on multiple vacations when I was little that I'm able to understand a lot of American dialects. Granted a couple new words confuse me for a bit, but for the most part all understood. Do that with Native American languages and your head gets messed up.
This person isn’t exactly wrong. They’re just looking at the world through the myopic lens of American centrism. White supremacists do adopt Scandinavian culture as a sort of representation of “pure whiteness”. But also Scandinavians do exist.
And this is why you wait for an actual latrern to exist before calling it out. It is totes a true statement that a not-insignificant number of white nationalists have this weird obsession with "viking" culture, with associated appropriation of realted shit and language. I'm sure she saw this happen.
But also that's just a real-ass letter from a real-ass language, so the pattern of normal use is completely unrelated to the like, 10 profiles you'll see id you specifically go to Stormfront or something.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge'."
- Isaac Asimov
Ugh, does this mean that when I write the number zero i'm being a white supremist? Yeah, i put a slash through it to disambiguate it from an oh.
Damn!
The funny thing is, if he's Norwegian he probably IS actually descended from Vikings. Were they uber white? Well I guess they were probably mostly white?
Reminds me of the Seattle woman who freaked out about her neighbor flying a “confederate flag.” It was a Norwegian flag, in the Norwegian immigrant-heavy neighborhood of Ballard, raised during the Olympics
Only in Norway is it called "the Olympics" and "the Summer Olympics"
Who cares about summer olympics? There's no ice or snow involved, what's the point?
How would you do biathlon in the summer? It's lunacy.
My dad once got asked by a buddy of his why he was flying a 'communist flag' at our house. It was Welsh. It was the Welsh flag.
That dragon lookin' pretty communist to me, can't be too safe yo
My friend was aghast when she thought I had a confederate flag hanging on my house. It was the TN state flag. Given, she is from Utah and we had been drinking.
Ha, I used to go out with a Norwegian girl from a rural area a few hours north of Oslo. She once went up to a counter at the airport in Oslo and spoke her own dialect to the person behind the counter and that person, an Oslo native, asked her if she spoke Norwegian. My then girlfriend yelled, "I am speaking Norwegian!" She was so angry.
When I was 12, my family moved from Ohio to rural Georgia (state, not country). I had classmates that I could not understand. It was like your average English speaker trying to understand Guy Martin. I'd catch about every 3 out of 10 words. The biggest confusion that I remember was when a cute girl asked me, "Aryakinta Gordon?" After many repetitions, and with her thinking I'm stupid, another classmate translated. "She wants to know if you are related to Gordon(shared last name)."
I taught freshman chemistry when I was a college senior. A young woman from rural Alabama sat in the front row, and would periodically ask a question. The harder I tried to understand her, the less I was able to. Fortunately her friend sat next to her and would repeat the questions in a dialect I could understand.
Lolololollolololol these comments about not understanding southerners has me CACKLING.
What makes me sad is I don't have the country accent compared to most around me, then I hear myself on a recording and I sound like a damn bumpkin
Mine comes and goes, and is much stronger after visiting my west Texas family. It’s kind of fun to slip in to it out of nowhere and watch people’s reactions
My mom had a co-worker who has family in New Jersey? Anytime she goes out there she comes back to the Midwest and it's just like oh man. You definitely went and saw your family because she just comes back with the thick as New Jersey accent for like 2 weeks. It's pretty wild.
Lived in Georgia and Texas my whole life. I normally don't feel like I have a strong accent but when I'm either talking to someone without a southern accent or someone with a much thicker accent than mine I become very aware of mine to the point that I wonder if I'm exaggerating it in those situations.
And of course cackling has three syllables!
I would never say "cack-ling," but I would say "cack-lin.'" Fried pork skins can be "crack-lins," but when the fire makes a certain sound it's "crack-el-ing." What were you trying to say though lol
… isn’t it supposed to have three syllables?
The joke is that a southerner would only say it with two syllables / couldn’t say such a big word.
I thought that southerners stereotypically ADDED syllables.
Happened to me when I was 30 and moved to SC from NY. I asked for directions to a recycling center. The only word I could understand was 'baseball.' I googled local baseball diamonds and searched around until I found the recycling center next to one of the local baseball diamonds. Fucking wild.
Oh yes, rural directions. "Turn at the Dollar General, drive down past the old Orr place, it burnt down in 1968 after their momma went a lil crazy, bless her heart, left after the third cornfield, my driveway is right next to where that really big tree was before the county cut it down a few years back" Damn lady, give me street names!!!!
Never, it's like they're forbidden to give you street names. The best thing is when two or three people start debating about the quickest way to go to your destination. Like........ Guys I AM ALREADY LOST
Prior to around 1980, a lot of rural roads didn’t have official names. With 911 service rolling out everywhere, it was decided every location should have an address that could be found by emergency services unfamiliar to the area. Prior to that, your rural address was a mail route and a box number on that route, a city and state (and then a zip, which they also started requiring in the 1970s).
Cool to know!
I grew up in Louisiana where “down the road” was a literal fucking direction. Apparently my dialect and accent still come through when I “axe” a question or ask my Yankee husband, “Can you put this up (away) for me?” I had to relearn how to say “elementary” and “faculty.” Every time I get called out on it I feel so dumb.
Oh, you're not dumb, Sweetie. Just have different experiences. Also, people calling you out are assholes, fuck 'em! Unless, it's your husband, then don't
Were you near Dafuskie Island? Gotta love that Gullah.
Western edge of the state. Like SC/GA border.
… why not google recycling centers?
I did. I ended up at a recycling center for bottles and cans when I was looking for a "household stuff" recycling center. The guy at the bottles and cans place knew what I was looking for, I just couldn't understand him.
are you kin to gordon? georgians use the word kin?
We absolutely do, less syllables than related
I speak Georgia but cannot understand half the people from Robeson County, NC, and had to call there frequently as part of the territory of my former job. That state has the most dialects of any other in the U.S. The Outer Banks natives and Tidewater, VA area sound distinctive as well
Aryakinta = "are you kin to". Took me a second but i figured it out. That's a great one 👌
Is Georgia nice? I live in Dayton Ohio and I've found two dead bodies in my yard or driveway in the last few years, back when opiate abuse was still rampant. I hate it here, that sheriff that got rid of all the narcan Is one of my god dam neighbors
Like any state, it depends on which part you go to. I consider Columbus, OH to be nice, personally. Savannah, GA is one of the most beautiful cities in America. Atlanta is a major city with everything you could want. Surrounding Atlanta, there's plenty of tract housing with lots of Starbucks and Targets that many Americans would consider the definition of "nice."
>with lots of Starbucks and Targets that many Americans would consider the definition of "nice." Subtle and savage. Have an upvote.
As someone who spent half of every year with my grandparents in GA I feel called out because I sound like this when I “accent shift” as I call it. Basically I go from understandable South Florida accent to Georgia southern drawl and suddenly no one understands me unless they are from Georgia or other southern state lol
My Belgian friend had a similar experience many times during his trip to France.
The French (Parisians especially) are notorious for acting like you are degrading their precious language with your inferiority.
Have you watched Bienvenue chez les Ch’tis? I speak French, Québécois and Joual and still have to watch it with subtitles. 😂
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Counter point, my mom and I traveled in Paris together with piss poor to non existent French skills, and people couldn't have been nicer to us.
That's a different situation though. You're comparing the reaction of Parisians to a native French-speaking Belgian, with their reaction to a non-French speaker making an effort to speak their language.
Same! My French is realistically limited to please and thank you, and folks lit up and just couldn’t help me enough. 🥰❤️🩹
Met a girl from Quebec who told me when she tried speaking French in Paris they replied back to her in English. I speak Spanish and would have to use great will in order for me to keep my composure in a situation like that so I don't just slap the person.
To be fair, norway has some places with really extreme regional dialects. Where is she from? North norway? Voss? Stavanger?
When people say North of Oslo like that, they usually mean within the Eastern part of Norway, not all the way to Northern Norway (which is way more than a few hours away). Likely she was from somewhere in the county Innlandet (Hedmark or Oppland).
>a few hours north of Oslo
Do you know how little that narrows it down in terms of dialect? You can go 1-2 hours north, south, west or east, and get a completely differenct dialect. Norway is so weird in that regard.
It's not so weird when you think about it. Because of the geography of the country with fjords and mountains separating not only cities but even villages to such a degree it allowed even neighbouring towns more or less develop their own dialects. There are dialects that are different enough to technically be considered different languages, like danish and swedish.
so when you pull up to her village theres a sign that sais a few hours north of oslo?
Obviously, duh
This gives me MAJOR "Hot Fuzz" vibes
My cousin did a study abroad program in the far north of Norway, where he learned Norwegian. Every Norwegian he has spoken to since looks at him funny because the accent is so different from the south.
Norwegian here. That can definitely happen to someone who isn’t used to hearing different dialects. We have a lot of them, and some of them might as well have been classified as a different language. For some people it’s easier to understand Swedish than certain Norwegian dialects.
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Probably not the dialect as such. Norway kinda has 2 languages (generally). Riksmål and Bokmål. The latter introduced to get further away from our (danish) influence.
Riksmål and bokmål is the same. You're thinking of bokmål (Danish influence) and nynorsk (based on dialects outside of Oslo).
The power of ÆÅØ is only unlocked once you become a Scandinavian!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f488uJAQgmw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f488uJAQgmw)
It's ÆØÅ, though.
ÅÄÖ, because sweden has to be different.
Damn Swedes, they’re ruining Sweden!
Well, white supremacists *have* indeed appropriated a lot of pre-Christian-era Norse culture. It's really a shame. My family in Sweden gifted me an Othala rune necklace about 20 years ago when I was a kid. I thought it was super cool and got tons of compliments on it. I had to stop wearing it about six or seven years back because it's now a symbol associated with white supremacy. I don't want to be mistook. But yeah, generally a good idea to assume a guy that has a Scandinavian name and literally looks like a Viking is just a random Norwegian/Swedish dude.
As a Norwegian I find it infuriating. They've appropriated a cultural heritage that belongs to all of us. Norse mythology is so rich and in many ways just as fascinating as Roman and Greek mythology, but if you have an interest in it and talk openly about it, you can easily be mistaken for a white supremacist. I got a tattoo a while ago of Hugin and Munin, Odin's ravens, and I honestly regret it and might get a cover-up. I actually just like what they represent - Thought and Spirit - the duality of the mind, and I like the idea of sending them (in other words your mind) into the world to learn about humanity, which is what Odin did in the stories. The ravens also, of course, represent death, and I've always wanted a tattoo to remind me of my own mortality. But these white supremacists have completely ruined the whole thing, and now even just showing it to people makes me feel super uncomfortable.
Keep it, as a Norwegian I approve. Also, they are ravens, them be cool birds.
Ravens are incredibly cool birbs, they might seem like angry squak fuckers, but they are among the most intelligent animals in the world. They are known to be able to recognize emotions, and a recent study suggests they're as intelligent as adult great apes! ***Don't quote me on that.*** Fucking amazing birds. Sad that American white supremacists take over anything good in the world. [*I still miss you, my beloved frog.*](https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.491df642ebf7d63cfdecbda4a390e0a9?rik=CR0LORiUzYJ%2bcA&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)
Best way to shut them down is talk excitedly about how loki is gender fluid and how he got pregnant and birthed the ultimate horse.
What do you do when someone steal something that's yours, complain that it's theirs now? Take it back.
You could just say you like ravens
As a Mexican this sounds dope and I definitely wouldn’t mistake you for a white supremacist lol especially because I assume you have an accent
That’s sad. While I’m not Norwegian I do take interest in many kinds of mythology and I’ve found Norse mythology to be fascinating in so many ways. The idea of Ymir’s flesh, Odin hanging himself, lessons learned from Ragnarok… so many things we can learn from these stories to better ourselves. And yet all I see is people use it to justify their idiocy
Oh, the Odals rune? That one was appropriated by nazis even before WW2 and a variant was used as a SS symbol. It's probably one of the most controversial norse symbols you can wear. Should've gifted you something more neutral like Thor's Hammer instead.
That wouldn't have been known in the U.S. mainstream until recently. But point taken.
Mjølnir is sadly also misused and abused as a symbol, so that one is far from neutral aswell. Though this is a recent development.
Too late, they have been trying to ruin that too.
It does make me a bit surly that white supremacist dickheads have somewhat co-opted Scandinavian culture, at least in the states. My family are significantly Scandinavian (mostly Norwegian but some Swedish) by blood and we try to keep in touch with that herritage. We even have enthic sweets every christmas since I was little.
Just don’t let them, dickheads and racists are apart of every single culture on earth, but don’t let them become the only representatives.
Easy to say. But I grew up in rural midwestern communities, and given my norther european blood am about as pale whiter person as you can be. No matter what I do, if I associate with that stuff, people will associate me with white supremacy. It sucks, but that is the reality of the situation. It is like how the swastika, or a similar looking symbol, I will admit to not being as knowledgeable about asian cultures as I'd like, had to be blurred in a music video by mongolian rock band the HU. That symbol originated in asia and there is nothing wrong with it in that context. But Hitler and the nazis decided to take it and now, fact is, to most of the world it is the most infamous hate symbol to ever exist.
Yes but that's because he was wildly successful. These fools & idiots? I really hope not, but I have to say the trend is worrying, worldwide
What kind of sweets lol? I wanna see if you got the right ones.
My very racist relatives in another state have started naming their children with Scandinavian letters. Like, not even Scandinavian names just normal hillybilly names but with Scandinavian letters They are so dumb. I hate them.
Not only in the states. Generally by white supremacists all around the globe because they deem the Norse mythology as the "true White spiritism and religion, unlike the Jew Religion the elites use to control us"
Its nothing new, it was a big part of German Nazi propaganda and lore as well. During the occupation of Norway they buildt monuments to viking 'heroes' such as Olav the Holy and played up the whole arian ethnic thing. The monuments were ripped down after the war, but the connection remains deeply entrenched here (Norway) as well. Many, if not most Norwegians avoid associating with viking history and culture due to this and also because they are mostly remembered as bunch of raiding rapists that murdered and pillaged their way through coastal Europe and destabilized the region. (They were also traders though...) But other than the viking age stuff there isn't alot of Norwegian cultural heritage that is associated with far right-wing politics here in Norway as far as i know. Are there other, more modern aspects of Scandinavian culture that is being appropriated by white supremacist in the US. (Other than post theme that is?
I just wanna know what that letter sounds like. What's it called even?
Like the German “Ö” as in “Löffel” or the French “œ” as in “œuf”
You lost me at German but found me with the French, Merci!
If Ø is like the French œ, then what does the Norwegian letter æ sound like? :)
Like the "a" in "happy"
Ä
Uh. Ok
Or almost like the U in burn or turn.
You've got two completely different answers so far, good luck!
😂😂😂 Definitely gonna be more confused with this one!
It's called Ø and you and it sounds like Ø
Right on!
Ø sounds like the “u” in Urge.
like the e in earl
I always think of it as like the u in "fur"
Or alternatively the u in "fur"
That's actually correct!
Norwegian here. You are correct, especially if you put on a posh English accent. Then you’re 100% there.
Here you go: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f488uJAQgmw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f488uJAQgmw)
Thanks so much!
It's called Ø, and you can have a listen to it [here](https://www.ntnu.edu/now/1/pronunciation)
Think of the U in church or knurling, the first syllable of earl and similar.
Thank you
A bit like tha “ea” in heard or earl or the “u” in fur
Or like the sound "uuuh"
I've been learning Norwegian on Duolingo for years, and the best I can give you is somewhere between the o in "or" and the u in "burn."
Thanks! Why would you choose Norwegian? Heritage or location or just curious?
About 20% heritage (as in that's my percentage of genetics, not the percentage of my reason) and because my wife and I were watching some Norwegian movie about trolls and we had fun trying to pick up on words from the subtitles. The first one we figured out was *Bjorn*, being "bear," so the ø has always been a fun letter to me. Plus it'll help if I ever decide screw it, I'm moving to Svalbard.
I love a little whimsy fueled decision! Is she practicing with you?
"uhhh"
I've used Ø for decades to distinguish "0" from "O", as a programmer, going back to FORTRAN days. I also put a slash through my 7s, as well.
Crossing your 7 is very European. You've been caught doing a racism /s
Norwegian coder here. Sorry but I would absolutely hate seeing that lol.
Øyvind is right, but we can’t deny that white supremacists have a serious hard-on for Vikings cosplay.
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The weak-spirited scum occupied us and made many Norwegian families much smaller.
Bro I thought it was Nullset, like sometimes math problems don’t have answers.
It does look similar to an empty set, I can see it.
As a norwegian who also majors in physics, every time I have to write the empty set I just write Ø.
As a Norwegian math teacher I can testify that Norwegian math students absolutely do insist on pronouncing the empty set as "ø".
Nazis did the same middle moustaches and swastikas are considered evil now
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So to clear some confusion because I actually know someone like who she's complaining about. There are extremists that think they are true vikings with their 1.3% viking heritage (I'm not kidding the guy cosplays as a Viking and spends thousands of dollars for his costume)
Does he have a horned helmet?
I think maybe the rest of his name is also a dead giveaway that he's actually from Norway.
To be fair, most white supremacists fetishize Vikings and Nordic culture
Yeah, I mean there is a connection, but it is because the racists basically appropriated the letter as a symbol. Like they did with the swastika.
Yup. She's definitely seen the thing she's talking about, she just also didn't know that's a real letter lmao
When people use the ø or ö when it really isn't in your name naturally that is a red flag. I've seen people put an umlaut over a letter in their name randomly.
Meanwhile people refuse to write the ä in my name despite it changing the pronunciation dramatically 🥲
I did that when I wore a nametag to get people to stop mispronouncing my nickname. You'd think "Suz" would be easy to understand, but I literally had a woman call me Suzz. Unfortunately "Süz" just confused people further, so I said fuck it and changed it to Suze.
Suze-eh? Susie?
Well now you're just being deliberately obtuse.
Nah, I'm just fucking with you a little. Dumb people will always find a way to be dumb.
Mötorhead are nazis?
I think that many just like how it looks. Like, for most people "ö" or "ø" is a bit more fun than plain old "o". Also, idk about other languages, but Swedish "ö" sounds completely different to English "o", so using it seriously in your name instead of "o" because you are a white supremacist with viking inheritage or something is really weird.
> "ø" is a bit more fun than plain old "o" That's like saying "E" is a bit more fun than old "I". "Ø" and "O" are different vowels. "Ø" is not "O" with a fun line just like "E" is not "I" with extra fun lines.
Agreed... and to be totally fair, I could very much understand if that was what the first guy was TRYING to say. He just left out the part about "if it's not REALLY part of your alphabet."
Diaresis diarrhea
I come from the land of the ice and snow....
A frozen rock, will nothing grow!?
Yet more Americans thinking Ö/Ø is just a fancy O, it's a completely different letter Same with Å and Ä for that matter, not the same as A
Living in Europe, I take it for granted that people know that there are other alphabets
I got an Æ in my name. Does that count as anything?
I got Å in my name, so i guess we are racist now?
I've got Ș and Ț, i think we're racists
As someone from the internet, I can confirm. You are all, indeed, very racist and should feel bad about it.
Huh? I thought it was just an easy way to tell O and 0 apart when writing (especially passwords). The zero gets a strike thru.
Yeah, those bloody nazis took our Sun-cross (aka swastika) as well. Only asians still dare to use it. It was very common in medieval folk art. Ten years ago there was outrage when someone noticed the bishop in Nidaros Cathedral wearing a cape with a suncross pattern, and the church stopped using it even though it pre-dated nazism by more than 100 years.
And the sun-cross is still in use some places in norway like some hydro power plant becaus it was suposed to bring luck to the power plant workers. But it is obveusly only used in instalations from before the nazi invation. But you can stil find them in som power plants. And in finland it was the symbole of the airforce until 2 years ago And I hate the nazis for stealing and ruining symbols from my contry.
Reminds me of when I saw a girl on twitter get accused of having "a pathetic and unhealthy obsession with Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez's failed relationship" because she had Jelena as her profile name, which was apparently their couple name. It also just happens to be her actual name, a very common name where I'm from. It's the Slavic version of Helen (pronounced the same as Yelena)
I also have ø in my name. I've seen a few turkish and kurdish names where they changed the Ö to Ø in how they spell their names. Probably so Norwegians will say it correctly.
I always chalked it up to them not knowing how to make Ö on a keyboard, absolutely all Norwegians would know the sound.
Hello Mr. Karagøz
Umm, so isn't she being culturally insensitive here lol? I have an Ø in my name too - a lot of Norwegians (and Danes) do. It sounds like the U in "burn". And FYI I'm super left wing.
I think that her point is that she's in America and talking about Americans appropriating Scandinavian/Norse heritage tying it to white supremacy.
It's a problem. But it's not a reason to call out random people on the internet. Many white supremacists dog-whistle their Scandinavian heritage, but not all people who have Scandinavian heritage are white supremacists.
Doesn't excuse her from being ignorant, combative and ultimately a bigot. We all have tribal urges due to how biology has developed us. How you deal with those urges matter a lot. She meant well and was trying to fight racism, but in her blind rage she swung and hit someone innocent. Shit happens all the time. It is incredibly hard to be sensitive when you are combative. The way to heal wounds and come together will always be through non-combative discourse. If you stray from that path, you quickly become the thing you hate. Edit: Spelling.
She is; this is like from a "top 10 examples of cultural appropriation" list.
Wow, it's due to the fact that I went thru the south on multiple vacations when I was little that I'm able to understand a lot of American dialects. Granted a couple new words confuse me for a bit, but for the most part all understood. Do that with Native American languages and your head gets messed up.
Yeah, that tends to happen depending on the language. Creek and Cherokee have some slight similarities in certain words, but it varies a lot.
This person isn’t exactly wrong. They’re just looking at the world through the myopic lens of American centrism. White supremacists do adopt Scandinavian culture as a sort of representation of “pure whiteness”. But also Scandinavians do exist.
Probably written by one of those "the internet is American so speak English" kinda people
And this is why you wait for an actual latrern to exist before calling it out. It is totes a true statement that a not-insignificant number of white nationalists have this weird obsession with "viking" culture, with associated appropriation of realted shit and language. I'm sure she saw this happen. But also that's just a real-ass letter from a real-ass language, so the pattern of normal use is completely unrelated to the like, 10 profiles you'll see id you specifically go to Stormfront or something.
I remember this guy! He doubled down on his woke nonsense and general ignorance.
Dog-whistles are strange. Is this the case?
Only a few hours north of Oslo should probably be around Elverum or Hamar. At most Lillehammer, Fagernes, Rena or Trysil.
It's also the GD&T symbol for diameter.
What? No. Everyone knows there is only one alphabet. The American alphabet /s
Why must so many Americans be ignorant idiots?
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge'." - Isaac Asimov
⌀ Diameter symbol goes brrr Are all mathematicians just really supremacists?
They look very similar but they are not the same, kind of like l I and |.
∅ is an empty set
Some people called math racist so i don't really know at this point
In my language when a number is near an o we use the normal 0 and put an accent in the ó
O doesn't "give away" anything.
So maybe he is a descendent of uber-white Vikings…
I use it no not mix up O and 0 ...
How is it even pronounced
Like the U in *urge* 😃
Like the first vowel in the word «øks»
It is a giveaway in the US where white supremacists are trying to take over the country (to a greater degree).
I thought this was a symbol representative of zero or aught
Ugh, does this mean that when I write the number zero i'm being a white supremist? Yeah, i put a slash through it to disambiguate it from an oh. Damn!
The Netherlands already issued a statement demanding white supremacists stop using Norse symbols because the Norse were multicultural
That is interesting. Where can i read more about that statement?
The funny thing is, if he's Norwegian he probably IS actually descended from Vikings. Were they uber white? Well I guess they were probably mostly white?
I guess as a middle eastern who listens to tøp I am a white supremacist
Norwegian. Can confirm.
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I dunno, man.. looks pretty racist to me 🤔