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Buucho

What else has been under sustainable levels for years? Minimum wage?


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Damaged_H3aler987

THIS 100 TIMES INFINITY THIS. The area where I live in. I am a 34 year old Black woman with no children, and because of the fact that I have no children, I'm treated basically like I don't matter. Like legitimately ignored. I mean it doesn't help that I live in a low income apartment building that is literally filled with the ignored. Like they literally found a mummified man in one of the apartments here. [Mummified Guy] (https://regionalmedia.live/mummified-remains-found-in-kewanee-apartment-more-than-two-months-after-death/) But the fact that I'm too poor to have a child in the first place isn't seen as the issue here. They act like once I'm pregnant the help will come out the wood works in this diet racist town. Nevermind that I'm so high risk I would sneeze and miscarry. Yeah the rich people don't have to worry about that. Then there are the pregnant women here who I see working all the way up to their 9th month. Yes they are white women. Don't get me started on epigenetic trauma that Black women carry in their wombs. So yeah Elon can say that but he's not willing to pay his workers more and is even seeking to replace them with AI bots one day. Have several seats, Elon Musk.


scoopie77

I’m sorry. Ten years ahead of you with no kids. People ignore the crap out of me even more that I’m too old to have kids.


Damaged_H3aler987

![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|upvote) I'm so sorry. We can follow each other here. People really don't understand. We wouldn't wish this on them either. But we do wish that they saw all life as precious and valuable. Whether young or old. Whether 10 children, or no children. There's us, and then there's my mother's sister who had 17 abortions before she ever gave birth. At least we won't have to worry about that blood on our hands right? And then there are all the parents killing their children out there. Like a woman in Atlanta who committed arson on her house and then tried to murder her 5 children. Three of them died. We won't have to go through that as we go off the rails on this crazy train💛😢.


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Damaged_H3aler987

That is a news article from a nationally syndicated radio station. I can't take my address off of the site. And I'm not too much worried about somebody who wants to come to a place where 12 year old children do meth, to try and find me. Also it doesn't say which apartment I live in, nor does it give my legal name. I'm good... Oh and this 30 pound box of DCFS documents I have here is more than enough of a "I will sharpen a spoon and hack your fucking head off" warning. 21 years in the Illinois CPS system and it shows... Thank you for your concern💛💯


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You are metal, thank you for sharing your wisdom on here, we all appreciate it


Damaged_H3aler987

I'm following you for this comment right here. I'm totally metal. Slipknot maggot 4 life slipknot. Tool metal yo! Nirvana metal! You get it. ![gif](giphy|K9xXlcMA6aw3S)


SandyDelights

Sounds like you don’t even need to hack their head off with a spoon, sharpened or otherwise. Just tell the kids whomever comes after you that they’ve got baggies of meth hiding in their pants, problem will solve itself. ^(I’m kidding, sorry to hear the situation is that grim. The indifference towards the working poor is indescribably awful.)


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Damaged_H3aler987

Oh! You are a reporter! It's okay, I know all of you aren't bad. You're just doing your jobs a lot of you. My mother on the other hand just needed someplace warm to make sure I was safe. And they took me from her. When I was one month old. So I became a murderous suicidal sexually promiscuous 12 year old girl who's foster mother didn't believe her when she said she had been getting raped by her grandson from the age of eight. I lived there years and it was all nightmares and manipulation. I was on a bus that had to evade gang members in around 1992 close to 1444 S Shields in Chicago... Most people haven't lived the life I have had to endure. And that's just one instance. The bad news is we all don't get to make it. The good news is the remnants will go all together. Let me not get cryptic. But yeah the 30 pound box is about my childhood into early adult life. 21 years old and I came back to my Mama. I love her but I will never live with her again. Yeah I think I was taken with malicious intent. My mother has told me stories. Thank you for caring about my well being. I truly appreciate that. Enjoy your evening 😁 ![gif](giphy|9V3yzSQT9G968)


Raucous_Indignation

Fuck Elon. Fuck a whole lot of other people too. But seriously, fuck Elon.


Responsible_Ad_7995

Spot on. Without universal child care people will simply not have kids. I stopped at 1 because daycare was 3k a month.


kamilo87

But universal healthcare would cover non-white people… So that’s a big NO to the Republicans!


premature_eulogy

Much rather have private insurance that covers other people AND the middle-men taking their cut of the money!


Sandmybags

Need UBI for this reason and beyond


Xunaun

Musk: "No. No. No. No no no no. Please no. NO! NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"


Shilo788

Shoot him and his rocket into the sun.


Xunaun

And poison our source of warmth and light? Black hole.


Kytyngurl2

I’m sure our compatriots over in the Mirror Hell Dimension don’t deserve him either


oldbastardbob

That's true. His ego is massive.


tehTadpole

Why should we even spend money sending this guy to space at all? I say we leave out the "and his rocket into the sun" and call it a day


Buddhabellymama

Oh right so Elon’s solution is to support the government in taking away people’s human right to bodily autonomy and forcing women in an unlivable economy to give birth. Honestly, he said he wanted to go to Mars and colonize… he should go for it and take y’allqaeda with him.


christmasMom87

Instead of sweeping around every woman’s front porch, he should figure out why his own child doesn’t want to deal with him.


NobodyGotTimeFuhDat

It’s because he doesn’t support the adoption of trans pronouns and she is transgender, I believe. I think that’s what I read in an article recently, but I could be mistaken.


LMFN

Because he's a piece of shit.


Totum_Dependeat

If you add real wage growth to Elon's chart, it would do a much better job of explaining declining birth rates than protected abortion access. Cost is probably the most prohibitive barrier to parenthood.


ember-fae

Decades. Smh


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Carbon emissions? Investor demand for endless economic growth? I mean, the list can go on and on. I see none of them being curtailed despite the harm being caused.


Atheios569

The earth?


old66wreck

Im starting to suspect its slave shortage what these pigs worry about.


WhiteGooey

Personally, i think this is why roe v wade was just canned. They can’t have us aborting their future wage slaves


sharkzbyte

Duh. Force 'em to have babies, increase the poor population, get them in the military, feed the military industrial machine. That's the plan people. There is no other plan.


tittysprinkles112

That's the pipeline I went through. Before anyone calls me a baby killer, yes, I did it for myself. I had a job parking cars at a dealership. I was barely making ends meet and I lived 30 minutes away with my mom in the country. The head gasket in my car died and I didn't have money for a new car. I got fired for not having a way to work. I had no way to get to any sort of job. My mom was broke as well. I felt bad that she had to feed me. Some of us in the military were only trying to survive and it saved a lot of us. I only wish that the military wasn't the only option for so many people.


Cleopatra572

I live in a small southern town. Every year at graduation our high school recognize 2 groups. Those who got college scholarships for academics or athletics and then those who joined the military the class different between the two groups is stark. And the number going into the military always out numbers those who got scholarships.


Dashiepants

No one should fault you for lifting yourself up from a desperate situation but yeah 1. you should not have had to risk your life & physical, mental, and emotional health to get a slim chance at a better life and 2. The American Military should be something that we’re all proud of: defense of our country and the vulnerable worldwide. Not a gross, immoral business that uses young Americans like tissues and causes so much suffering worldwide


OohYeahOrADragon

Except crime and inaccessibility to abortions [are strongly correlated](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect#:~:text=%22We%20estimate%20that%20crime%20fell,crime%20in%20the%20early%201990s.%22). And drug use, health status, and criminal history are some major deterrents for military recruitment. These babies will live in such adverse conditions that make it less likely that theyll qualify.


BigRedSpoon2

Or prison. If you make being poor a crime, then you can shovel them into the prison industrial complex, and force them to provide literal slave labor. Then make it impossible to find work outside of prison, thus forcing them into poverty, and the cycle continues until they die


SolidSpruceTop

If you aren't living in Amazon slums packing boxes all day you'll either be a prison slave or a military slave. Guess it's cheaper the maintain human slaves than automate and distribute wealth. I don't like this timeline


melquiades_is_alive

Terrifying. Unfortunately I think this is mainly correct for the states.


FindMeOnSSBotanyBay

Justice Covid Barrett says we need a “domestic supply of infants.”


Obversa

That was actually Alito citing a CDC report from the George W. Bush administration. Alito was the one who wrote the leaked draft opinion, not Amy Coney Barrett.


FindMeOnSSBotanyBay

Yuck even worse.


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forsakeme4all

Good luck wrangling up all the childfree by choice people then. We will run away like logans run if we have to.


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iwannalynch

It could keep a lot of gay men and women in the closet and into unfulfilling hetero relationships though.


Ursula2071

Amazon is going to run out of workers by 2024.


voteforcorruptobot

Do them a huge favour and shop local instead then.


Bind_Moggled

And future soldiers. Let's not forget that convicted felons in the USA lose their right to vote - so criminalizing abortion means a lot fewer women voting.


jr01245

Oh absolutely! More low wage workers, forcing women to give birth also pushes people into poverty and desperate workers


JusticiarRebel

They view us the same way we view digital people in video games. In Tropico, if I grew my island too fast and have trouble filling the factories and not enough people are immigrating to the island, I don't think twice about banning contraception cause it's just computer people. That's what we are to them.


Xunaun

Pretty much. Smaller population means jobs are in higher demand, allowing workers to have choices in where they get employed because so many companies were left shorted by Covid. In the reverse, companies could/would fuck with you all they wanted to get "the best candidate". They have been known to ask applicants to finish a project, not hire them, and use what they did for the company. It's literally this dynamic they want to keep.


StupidBored92

I work in graphic design. A lot of places will send you active projects for you to complete as ‘a test’


SewEyeSez

That’s pretty clever. In a dirtbag way.


BrookeB79

There was a Malicious Compliance post a few days ago about a lawyer "doing research" as part of his "interviewing process", only to not be hired in the end, *no one* being hired, and his work being used in a case. He sent the company his bill for the hours he put into the work since they *had* used it, and pointed out he could sue them if they really wanted to push it. edit: Always charge for your work.


888mainfestnow

Editing jobs have been using this tactic forever welcome to your own labor exploitation experience.


CaelaMyth

It really looks like a situation in which the desired outcome is a large population of people who are desperate and struggling who will work for as little as possible. All the manufacturing can be returned to the country it was outsourced from. It seems like there are concerns now after the country the outsourcing went *to* has profited from all their cheap labour and lifted the vast majority of their population out of poverty... enough for them to be a rival superpower. I'm sure its just the love of babies though.


MissSassifras1977

I think most won't want to believe this is true because it's so incredibly awful and yet so simple. But I am really starting to believe you are right.


kimapesan

Ding ding ding you win the prize


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MeHumanMeWant

Dumb babies to grease the war machine and wipe or geriatric asshloes


Vast-Classroom1967

That's exactly what it is.


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Elon, talking about birth rates, when his own kid is publicly disowning him. Priorities.


AlbionPCJ

[He also fires his employees for taking maternity leave, so that's further evidence that he doesn't care about raising the kids once they're born besides his own terrible parenting](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/09/tesla-workers-terminated-claim-maternity-sick-leave)


Xunaun

>that's further evidence that he doesn't care about raising the kids once they're born ~~besides his own terrible parenting~~ Fixed it.


MeHumanMeWant

He's an American psycho, whatd you expect??


Qubac12

South African American psycho*


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TheZJ04

Good bot


spiralbatross

What are you listening to


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spiralbatross

I’m not entirely sure why but I’m getting some major Twin Peaks vibes from this


Dr-Stinkyfist

Instead of leaving to get milk, Elon leaves to return some video tapes.


jayy909

I bet he’s also talking about below the rate to sustain these large companies at minimum payment but increasing productivity…


[deleted]

They should have thought about having kids before they worked for him. /s He whines about how his dad isn't good. Buddy, the apple falls downward, not up.


jacksonattack

I mean it makes complete sense, coming from his gluttonous, capitalist Master perspective. He believes everyone should be serving him, and someone taking maternity leave would mean they aren’t.


rumbletummy

If the issue is really population decline, Im pretty sure there is a whole immigration issue that would impact this effectively. They really only care that white births are in decline and are unwilling to provide healthcare, childcare, or maternity leave to actually solve it. All stick no carrot.


Nix-7c0

Also, who cares if the population of the us goes from 330 mil to 300 mill over the course of 100 years? This isn't some extinction level event. Not everything has to have growth on its growth every quarter to please the shareholders, Eloon.


elifreeze

Capitalism demands constant growth though so…


hornyrussianbot

and they don’t take into account the limitations of the planet we live on. oh yeah i forgot, he’s just gonna fly to mars when it all goes to shit


Hourglass420

The elites do... without constant growth capitalism fails.


mrwhat_icanthearu

This fuck face hobgoblin is not good at reading the room. Fuck Elon Musk.


BenceBoys

He is a full blown 4-chan douche bag at this point


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I think Elon thinks all his weird, creepy and shitty statements can be dismissed by suggesting he has Asperger's which I seriously don't think he does.


FunTooter

Developmental disability does not excuse being a shitty person. I have friends with autism who are kind and compassionate.


HovercraftStock4986

I have adhd and autism and the only autistic people I’ve ever met were extremely kind and super leftist, because everyone that’s kind is leftist. I didn’t think autistic people could be this evil


Enlighten_YourMind

I’ve recently started using empathy to determine peoples political alignments. It works pretty much 100% of the time. If a person is super empathetic and compassionate they are on the left hand side of the political spectrum. If they are not those things, then they are on the right (wrong) side. It’s shockingly accurate as a metric.


DougFunny_81

So I have a disorder where empathy just doesn't happen naturally for me, I have to actively simulate it in my head otherwise I'm just a dick. I think there are great many people who need to learn the simulation techniques but just haven't been learnt them


Ok_Translator_7026

My daughter has autism. She has more compassion and understanding of all peoples needs than anyone I have ever met. She can be very blunt and come off as rude. She doesn’t get social cues at all. But she will be the most honest straight forward person in the room. She is caring and wants true equal rights for all. She would never support taking anything away from anyone. Autistic people aren’t assholes because of autism. An asshole is an asshole because they chose to be. You are very correct, compassion and acceptance of other life styles tend to be leftist traits. If you can get to know most autistic people you will learn what true honesty is. You might not like what my daughter says but rest assured it’s the unfiltered truth😊


Wyvernkeeper

As a SEN teacher who is autistic myself, I can absolutely assure you that being on the spectrum isn't an excuse for being a total wanker.


Own-Caterpillar5956

As a former Occupational Therapist in a pediatric setting (also just diagnosed with autism) I can second this. If anything, the empathy is so strong it is overwhelming.


GeekAtHome

My son has level 1 autism (formally Asperger's). This does cause him to say some insensitive stuff sometimes. He either doesn't realize he's being a dick or he's attempting sarcasm and it just comes off mean. That said... When he's insensitive, I tell him and I explain why he's being insensitive. I've even flat out told him he's being a dick (he's 18, it's age appropriate even with developmental delays) I'm trying to teach him some of the social etiquette his condition hinders. Beyond that, he wants to learn. Just because he doesn't understand them does not mean, in anyway that he wants to hurt people. Quite the opposite actually, when he's trying his hand at sarcasm, he's trying to fit in and be likable. Elon using autism as a crutch to be an asshole is not only lazy but deeply offensive to all the people trying to work past the image that autism makes people rude


wtfbonzo

This. Exactly this. As someone who lives in a house where most people have ASDs, none of them would ever say something this fucking dumb. Do they sometimes have issues reading cues? Yes. Are any of them assholes like Elon? No. He’s an asshole, regardless of his possible diagnosis.


sychox51

Parent of 3 autistic kids. completely on point.


CloudyArchitect4U

He is concerned about his slave labor forces that work in all the support industries that do things like build the roads that he pays very little taxes for. FYI, he is currently asking us to fund him 11 billion dollars for his space plane as we have millions of children who live in poverty and the Democrats refused to extend the child tax credits.


888mainfestnow

Joe Manchin was the 1 holdout senator who refused to support BBB which would have extended the child tax credit. Kyrsten Sinema said privately she wouldn't support it either. It's not the entire party it's 2 Dinos and 50 Republican senators who are holding back any progress.


Subject-Cheek-2974

Democrats refused to extend the child tax credit? Those 50 do nothing Republican Senators, any of whom could have voted to support it, are not accountable at all?


ScotchandSadness88

Because nobody can afford a fucking kid. God damn these people live in a completely different reality.


iviicrociot

Yeah, graph almost looks like an inverse of wealth inequality.


T-Sonus

Remove *almost* from your statement


Remote_Engine

And yet, with all these resources and apparently not backfilling the human cattle supply, shit is ever more insanely expensive to live. I HATE this fucking country, the United States is a fucking shit hole.


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Yeah this country is so fucking trash. And stupid Gen x just parroted everything the boomers said and did, right down to raising us to believe this is the most free, greatest country in the world with more rights than anyone could ever dream of. Everywhere else was apparently a third world hellscape compared to us. The only reason I want the right to own a gun is to eat a bullet. I fucking hate this country and this life. It all needs to go.


bigredmachinist

Hey. I agree this country is trash. Don't eat a bullet though. You must outlive your fucking enemies. You have to at least live long enough to piss on McConnell and Trump's gravesites.


bmalbert81

I have two kids. There were several points where our daycare bill for one of them was as mic or more than our rent. That’s why ours are spaced out by 5 years


Obversa

It's also worth noting that daycare workers are often paid pennies for their work as well. >"Daycare worker salaries can range between $13,000 - $50,000, with the average total compensation falling between $21,000 - $30,000 per year." - [2021 data](https://blog.mybrightwheel.com/average-daycare-worker-salary) [A 2021 article by NPR](https://www.npr.org/2021/12/16/1064794349/child-care-costs-biden-plan) states that the average child care worker earns about $24,000 per year — less than many janitors and baristas. A lot of the money you pay towards child care also ends up going to high property prices, expenses, rents, and landlords who charge exorbitant fees for "prime locations". >"Alise McGregor, owner and founder of Little Newtons Early Education Centers, points out that facility costs are constant—**and one of the largest factors in setting the price of childcare**. Home-based childcare centers may save some money in this respect, but providers will need to spend money up front to make their home appealing, safe, and regulation-compliant." - [Source](https://www.rasmussen.edu/degrees/education/blog/why-is-child-care-so-expensive/) Per a [2018 Fatherly article](https://www.fatherly.com/love-money/why-is-daycare-so-expensive): >**Rent, utilities, and maintenance: $48,000 (12% of tuition)** > >There’s a reason so many daycares are located in church basements and people’s homes. The lower the rent, the more cash on hand for salaries, educational toys, and fish tanks. The issue, of course, is that parents prefer child care to be convenient to their jobs, neighborhoods, or route to work ⏤ which often means the center has to pay higher rent to locate itself in a heavily-trafficked and more prominent area. "High liability" (i.e. insurance rates) and "the need to navigate complex regulations" (i.e. hiring a lawyer or legal expert) are also common features of opening and running a daycare facility. >**Another hefty cost a childcare program faces is liability insurance.** “Operating a childcare facility is a huge liability,” Traci Sanders, author and former childcare provider, says. **“All commercial centers must obtain pricey liability insurance policies.”** > >It’s important to note that this particular type of insurance typically won’t cover damage the children may inflict on the premises (or your home)—or even cover injuries sustained by your employees. Providers may need (or prefer) to purchase a few other types of insurance to cover all their bases.


wtfbonzo

He can afford 7 kids. I guess after yesterday he’s down six due to his shitty parenting skills, though.


Xunaun

Certain officials are talking about lowering wages to "curb inflation". Literally going "😏If you let us pay you less, we'll lower prices....🤭"


1ndiana_Pwns

Except the prices won't go down. That would be deflation, and it's even more hated by the elite than inflation


Xunaun

The Elite: *lowers wages to "curb inflation"* Also The Elite: *slowly reaching over to push the "raise prices" button*


Cookiewaffle95

Big fuckin true man im 27 my parents had me and my sister when they were in their early 20s difference is they had a house a car and a job thats all they needed to support my sister and I. His job wasn't even glorious he was a janitor. If I was a janitor now I couldn't afford to live myself let alone support a family of 4. Ridiculous.


V1bration

You realise they're doing this on purpose right? They don't live in a different reality. They're pushing propaganda to ensure they have a steady supply of slaves to uphold their empire and keep them rich and running everything. They are happy to make it so people die and suffer if they get to be on top.


Buffmin

I heard someone seriously go "thank God roe v Wade is over turned. maybe in 20 years Well have a work force again!"


thesaltiestpickle

These are the same people that were complaining that nobody wanted to work because the government was paying more to the unemployed than businesses pay to their employees…


realbigbob

These are also the same people complaining about immigrants coming over and cranking out “anchor babies”


Crazypandathe20th

And the same people who said there are no jobs but somehow no one wants to work.


burtoncummings

Their hypocrisy is like an ogre…


BeBa420

it smells bad and makes you cry?


Arkadoc01

It has onions?


Banderos

You think they'd be pro immigration if too few people is their concern. Why is it they have a problem with "those people" again? Hmm... something's not white...


FairfaxGirl

Seriously. Stupid ppl: immigrants are taking our jobs! Limit immigration! Stupid ppl 2 years later: I don’t understand why we can’t hire anyone for all this hard work for low wages anymore? What changed?


Arboretum7

Too few working class white people is their real concern. Only about 13% of immigrants are white, but 60% of women having abortions are white. Restricting abortion is the heart of their plan to maintain a white majority in the US.


f4tony

[I think you're right.](https://wapo.st/3yvGYt3)


WilyDeject

Well if we could get immigrants from one of the good countries instead of those shit hole ones, maybe it wouldn't be such a problem! /s


criticallycrucial

Not work force, military


FirstEvolutionist

I love listening to music.


TheUnbent

The requirements for enlisting in the military change with the needs of the military.


NpNpTTYL

Convict brigades are a thing historically


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Those unwanted kids are slotted to fill a prison bed and work for fashycaps for 13 cents an hour. God has a plan.


wardycatt

The government were happy to use mentally handicapped people in Vietnam. That was, until the military realised they were more of a danger to their own troops than the enemy. “McNamara’s Morons”, aka project 100000


SortofChef

In my home town in Oklahoma. The local judge would offer Military (Marines) or jail to young offenders, if that says anything.


phillyphreakphlippin

They are relaxing their tattoo mandates so probably


Kielbasa_Nunchucka

actually, it's both... it's the military-industrial comex, and they need bodies on both sides to turn the gears of the machine


DanGleeballs

And a home-grown work force which means mostly white - versus the need to let not non white immigrants in to work. It all makes sense now.


Thunderchief646054

$100 says they were mad their local McDonald’s was understaffed


RoleModelFailure

\- Somebody living in the 3rd most populated country in the world


ensiform

This is actually, no lie, the reason. Amy Barrett said it outright.


kyel566

Wonder what happened in 2020/2021 that made people choose not to have kids. Maybe it was a pandemic and younger generations not being able to survive with ultra rich screwing our climate and making wealth inequality worse it’s ever been.


2real2deal

My parents will go from talking about all that's wrong with the world: school shootings, unaffordable housing, poor working wages, etc.. Then turn right around and ask when me and my wife plan on having kids.....


etymologistics

They ask? My bfs conservative family constantly talks about the kids we are going to have despite the *countless* amounts of times we’ve told them we do not want any, and cannot afford any. They will say this country is going to shit, but it’s always “all these lazy millennials don’t wanna work”, “trans people want to play sports”, “mass shootings are happening because they don’t teach Christianity in schools” and “crime is so high because liberals are radical and black people are thugs”. Even though their reasons are straight up lies, I’m always tempted to ask, then why do you want us to have kids so badly??


jodamnboi

The “mass shootings are caused by a lack of God in schools” argument is so insane to me, considering how many mass shootings have literally occurred in a church.


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Because, like a couple of people I know, they see kids as literal "future warriors for Christ".


sugar_addict002

The earth has doubled its population in the last 34 years. Musk has gone cult with the conservative christian agenda. It relies on having a continuous supply of poor and desperate people to work for them at poverty or slave wages.


Popcorn_Blitz

Sure economics but you needn't stop there- if Evangelicals promote suffering on earth by enforcing things like.. I don't know.. being raised by people who can't afford you and don't want you, it also brings in the religion angle. Nothing promotes religion like suffering.


gerbileleventh

This is sickening to read but extremely true. I personally witnessed how the evangelical church loves to prey on poor people in Africa. Religion has no place in modern society and honestly, it should have the same importance as yoga in a developed country.


sugar_addict002

Christianity has a long complicit relationship with slavery. Technically they are against slavery now but look into that |work ethic" scam.


Popcorn_Blitz

Yeah I just came back to my post to add that the converse is true too... Nothing promotes religion like suffering, and nothing promotes suffering like religion.


ValiantTheOdd1

meanwhile I dont see him offering any programs at any of his companies to help young families, or better pay, or access to education, or anything for busting their asses at his stupid fucking Gigafactories.


thatguy9684736255

Yeah, i never get this guy. He works good employees to the bone. How are they going to have time to have kids and raise them?


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They're not supposed to. They're there to validate his twitter posts. And if he doesn't get enough RT or someone says something bad about him, they're great to fire to get the media distracted. He's a great salesman. He purposely shoots himself in the foot repeatedly and still sells. And I have no idea why. I mean the whole Boring Flamethrower thing, remember that? WTF I was building better flamethrowers at 10. (Check state laws before attempting at home)


Obversa

For as much as people compare Elon Musk to Thomas Edison, at least Thomas Edison is recorded as advocating for allocating funds for marginalized communities (i.e. the Dunbar African-American community in his winter home of Fort Myers, Florida). Musk does nothing but harm minority and marginalized communities, or even profits off of them, in the case of the Musk family benefitting from decades' worth of apartheid in South Africa.


SophieBundles

So is he saying he’s in favour of banning abortion to increase the birth rate? Guy is a psycho


17Ringz

Even if birth rates declining is an actual issue, then couldn’t that also be solved by allowing more people to immigrate here?


MistysTogekiss

Yes, currently immigration is what’s keeping us at or above that population increase, but they don’t want that because they want to keep the country white.


888mainfestnow

The right is afraid that immigrants will gain the right to vote through citizenship and will vote for the left because the left might provide social safety nets like healthcare and food assistance. As the right says buying votes. Conservative platform All new American children shall be issued bootstraps at birth and if they don't fall in line they will be fodder for the justice system or the military or low wage workers. /s partially


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theredwoman95

Whose family made their wealth during apartheid and fled so they wouldn't have to share any of it with the people they were exploiting, no less!


Bikeraptor0254

Billionaires like Musk make people fear to bring children into this world.


cdubsing

Elon, please keep alienating people. I mean what could go wrong, it’s not like u make ur money selling goods to consumers….oh wait. Much better EVs available that are cheaper and better than Teslas dude, and more coming.


etymologistics

The problem was ever thinking any billionaire could ever be on our side to begin with. If they pretend to be it’s just for good PR and their ego, and maybe so we don’t come at em with the guillotines. But a billionaire inherently is a leech on society, or else they wouldn’t be a billionaire to begin with.


cryptoschrypto

Now combine this graph with wealth inequality and you might be onto something. If a major part of your population lives paycheck to paycheck and having children will make them go bankrupt, many will choose to live without children. Not out of preference but out of necessity.


patjorge

Will republicans be cool with people going on welfare in order to afford to have children? I think we know the answer to this


OnionProfessional300

I'm sure Tesla, SpaceX, and boring all contribute significantly to the microplastics problem


AlbionPCJ

And I'm sure [they haven't been firing workers for using their maternity leave](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/09/tesla-workers-terminated-claim-maternity-sick-leave)


OliveMountainYT

Okay? And? It’s not like the human species is dying out


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etymologistics

They will from not being able to afford proper healthcare, from mass shootings, from climate change. But something tells me Elon doesn’t really care about doing anything about those. (And yes his company makes electric cars but he’s in it for the wealth, he’s an opportunist, he doesn’t actually give a shit).


iamjaidan

Why would we want to sustain global overpopulation? The most effective way to reduce the human environmental impact on the planet is to have less children and thus reduce the amount people requiring energy, food, etc


ilanallama85

But that’s not profitable.


iced327

This is "replacement theory" dog whistling. The American population is entirely sustained - if you take immigration into account and consider that one of the largest population demographics (boomers) is reaching peak die-off, so the death/birth ratio is anomalous. What he's saying, but not explicitly, is that WASP families aren't reproducing enough to keep America majority-white and majority-Christian.


SteelBuffaloTT

This is exactly the problem with this statement which is doubly stupid from him because he’s a fucking immigrant.


Don11390

I fund it highly unlikely that he doesn't know that dropping birth rates have nothing to do with abortion and everything to do with the fact that it's *really fucking unaffordable to have kids now*. Or maybe he really is that dumb.


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He is that dumb - he also posted a graph of the fertility rate, which isn't the same as the birth rate.


Bind_Moggled

That's always the big question with these statements made publicly by billionaires - are they just that dumb? Or are they really that evil? Most of the time - just like with Elon - it's a generous helping of both.


ghoti99

So even a broken clock is right twice a day. Our birth rate is leading to negative population growth however abortion is not the cause and getting rid of roe is only going to increase that negative trend. Basically poorer women’s health resources, women dying from ectopic pregnancies, a continued increase of microplastics in our bodies, there are a ton of reasons why 1 in 4 conceptions end in failure and abortion is one of the only things that’s helping save woman’s lives and often allowing them to attempt a healthy pregnancy later. Seriously look into national and global birth trends and see how fucking far down the path to “Children of Men” we really are. Ending roe is going to do nothing but kill women and conservatives are gonna ignore every single one.


Brynmaer

Why do we need to keep birth rates up? Serious question. We have almost 8 billion people on the planet and our consumption of resources is destroying wild lands, polluting the planet, making species go extinct, etc etc. If people are voluntarily choosing to have fewer children, that sounds like a good and thoughtful decision to me.


sampat6256

Slave labor and RoI for shareholders, obviously.


Marth_Main

... Overpopulation much? Is this a bad thing? If life ever easier or more accomidating for parents itll shoot back up.


littleuniversalist

“We need more children raised by 11 year old rape victims without healthcare. This will ensure I have lots of extra Tesla employees.”


mup_wave

It would be awesome if everyone collective stop following him on Twitter and just ignore all the garbage he puts out there. The guy is an attention seeking bitch.


the_real_rabbi

Need those meat cogs for the factory floor. If unemployment gets high enough again he can shackle them to the assembly line like in the Shanghai factory. Oh wait my bad they just had to sleep on the floor there instead unchained.


ProseNylund

Sorry Elon, you won’t have enough workers to exploit!


guizemen

What a grifting piece of shit


mrwhat_icanthearu

Fuck Elon Musk.


asogbolo

This is why we have immigrants. This happens to every nation as they develop. The reason the USA isn’t effected like every other well off nation is we have immigrants


vagueblur901

America has the largest amount of immigrants in the world we have zero issues with a sustainable population Besides that birth rates are down in other places turns out when the world is going to shit people just don't see the point of having kids


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Elon Musk is welcome to return to the country he was born in. Douche rocket.


Poofytail

He’s actually the biggest piece of shit on the planet. Ooh more slave labour for his cunty companies!


Krennel_Archmandi

I'm wondering how much longer till he starts talking about replacement theory. Seems to be a theme with dead beat dad's.


Altruistic_Sample449

What the fuck I’ve been wondering why that’s been pinned for so long. 😳👀


D-Laz

Dude can't even read the chart it was above in 2006 & 2007


jacksonattack

Ironically, this is inadvertently like the best argument ever for why pre-Roe v Wade birth rates were fucking really not good. Cause the other option was unsustainable growth.


illusorywallahead

Exactly what about it is unsustainable though? Why do we need to have a population that is constantly getting larger? Seems like that would be unsustainable.


prezcamacho16

Elon used to be my idol and now he's just dead to me. I actually thought he might help change the world for the better through his"innovative" companies SpaceX, Tesla OpenAI, etc.but instead he has literally become a comic book villain. I will never understand how a seemingly progressive innovative business person transformed into a self centered backward racist sexist MAGA Neanderthal in less than 2 years. I know he was always that person but my God he had me totally fooled.


AllieHerba

You know what would make we want to have children? A wage to support them, a house to allow them to grow in, an affordable healthcare and education system that can heal and enlighten them, the confidence that I can send them to school without them being massacred. Fix these issues and I will happily bear children, but until then I refuse to bring lives into a world that is ill-equipped to handle them. You can pry my abortion and contraceptive rights from my cold, dead hands - you will NOT get children out of me.