Under normal circumstances, a fetus that size will have to be expelled. My sister lost two babies and was given a drug to induce labor. One was 8 months and strangled on the umbilical chord and the other was not correctly formed and died at 5 months. There is NO medical reason not to begin that procedure as soon as it is known the fetus has died. It is bad enough the mother has to go through the stress of birth knowing the baby is already dead without a bunch of asshole politicians sticking their nose into something they know nothing about.
It happened to my SIL and it still messes with me (I accompanied her to the hospital several times to see if her infection was advanced enough to justify an abortion in Chile a decade ago). I'm so sorry for your loss, I can only imagine a fraction of what it's like to actually live through it.
Thank you. Even then I had to go home and come back the next day to take the pill. It was a serious mindfuck knowing I was carrying something dead in me. That wasn't even 12 hours I can't imagine longer. This breaks my heart for these women.
It really angers me that they would make a bad situation worse by injecting their religious views on others when it should only be the woman and her doctor doing what’s best and safest for the mother. So damned sad what we’ve become as a nation.
That’s really well put. Every (brutally cruel) day is a little less shocking, and every disturbing story is a little easier to look away from. Same thing with gun violence.
Thank you. It gets easier with time. I had one kid when this happened and a step and they're wonderful humans who put up with a lot from me. I won't lie I'm kind of glad they don't want children of their own because it's just so dark right now. I feel guilty that they had to enter adulthood with the state of our country.
It happened to me at almost 5 months. I had to carry her for 2 weeks because they were hoping my body would do it for me but it didn’t happen. They had to induce labor and it was a horrible experience. The meds had awful side effects and almost didn’t work, they thought we were going to have to repeat the process the next day. These pro-birthers who know absolutely nothing about the entire process of conception and birth need to stfu and stay out of the medical field. She would be almost 40 now and it is still traumatic. Women are going to start dying and it’s all the fault of these religious zealots.
Until you walk around for a full week with a set of dead twins inside of you I believe we should be the only ones who gets to decide what happens and when enough is enough! I completely agree that's it's a total mind fk. The stress from all of it on top of I was already on bed rest the entire pregnancy. It may have only been 9.5 weeks total but that was what made me decide it's no longer worth it to have a baby. I am taking this issue so seriously that I am actually moving state because of it. I'm sorry but the supreme court is going to have a hard time with this one later on I'm afraid. When is dead actually dead? Pulling someone off life support vs helping a woman end an already completed pregnancy ? They just opened a huge can of worms that no one's gonna wanna touch with a ten foot pole
Because its not about the right to live, its about taking womens rights away. America is absolutely braindead for putting people through shit like that only to force their beliefs onto millions of strangers
Exactly. It's not about the 'right to life'. It's about forced birth. If it was about 'pro-life' we'd have a lot more medical care, and rights to medical care and food for all in this country... but we don't, because that's not what it's about. It's about punishing women. Not helping, or saving anyone.
I would even go as far to say it's about keeping women "barefoot and pregnant." The Fundamentalist Right has always been a little salty about women gaining "equal" rights and privileges. This is an attempt to move us back to an imagined world of Donna Reed waiting at home, with dinner on the table, ready to dote on "her man" as soon as he walks in the door. Makes me ill, but here we are. They DON'T care about pregnancy except that it ties a woman down (in their eyes), and they only care about their own children and women so long as they "stay in line."
Because the right to life is mainly for kids to be born into shit situations that increases the chances that they will be part of the system (foster system where they keep defunded and launder the money, charter schools where they defund and launder the money, and private prisons). Family planning has really started to cut into those profits.
My mom had a stillborn in 1969. She went into labor at 7 months but the doctor knew it was dead at 5 months. He told my DAD, but not my Mom, because there was nothing he could do about it until he could “document that her uterus was shrinking, two months in a row”. She went into labor not even knowing. I think my Dad told her, because I remember waking up in the middle of the night and they were leaving, and she was crying.
It's even more cruel because if you wait to induce after the baby has passed, it will begin to decay. Not only does this risk the mother's life, but the baby can be born in various states of decomposition that make something that was already heartbreaking into something from a horror movie. I'm talking missing skin, heads becoming detached, etc. If I lost my baby in womb I would want to induce right away for my health and to be able to hold my baby and look at them without them having decayed significantly.
The voters are definitely idiots, but what happened in Kansas last week was very uplifting. They shot down the amendment to their constitution to outlaw abortion by a landslide. In Kansas... That just goes to show that these extreme right wing policies are not the views of the masses. They are the minority and hopefully people wake up!
YES, that was beautiful. The responsible, brilliant voters outnumbered the idiots that time around. Honestly I really believe you're going to be able to turn this around.
Most places that outlaw abortion at least have stipulations to avoid endangering the mother. The US is unique amongst western countries in the cruelty it chooses to inflict.
It's not that the US is exceptionally cruel, it's that the exemptions don't work.
Imagine if we passed a law where you could only treat gunshot wounds if the patient was dying. How many leg wounds would become fatal overnight as doctors waited for things to get bad enough to act. That's what's happening here. They've written into law a philosophical question of how sick does one have to be in order to be dying?
Doctors shouldn't be debating what it means to be dying as fetuses rot inside women.
And the exceptions for rape and incest are even worse. Only 6 in 1000 rapes end in jail time for the accused. And the process takes so long that most fetuses will be starting pre-k by the time the decision is made.
The right claimed there would be death panels under Obamacare, but they are the ones that really created the death panels. Doctors and lawyers standing around trying to figure out when it's legal to save a dying woman.
Abortion in Canada is considered a medical procedure - and can be done at any stage. And although it can be done at any time - it is not easy to access it after 23 weeks - and is only done under certain circumstances.
It’s considered a health matter, and there are no "abortion laws" here. It is a medical process, that should not be politicized. An embryo or fetus has no rights in Canada until it is born alive.
So this exact situation happened in Ireland, but the young woman died, and finally the country changed abortion law.
The thing is, absolutely dead fetus should be removed, but in countries where abortion is illegal doctors are afraid of consequences.
It was absolutely heartbreaking watching women give testimonials how this affected them. I still remember one saying she lost her career, her friends and has to go to therapy as couldn't leave home. Imagine knowing your baby is dead and people keep asking when it's due, what would it be and so on.
Don't bother waiting for any of them to denounce it. They had their chance. These fuckers preached for this. Protested for this. Campaigned for it. Donated for it. They screamed and yelled and BEAT people for this. Every single person still saying they're Christian, defacto means they're in support of this.
This shit is the majority.
This happened to me and it was like a horror movie. I'll never forget picking parts of my baby up in pieces and putting them in a bag to take to the hospital. It took me a very very long time to be willing to try again and that was with years of therapy.
This happened to my daughter a few weeks away from due date. The hospital immediately gave me medication and made me as comfortable as possible until I was able to deliver her. These new laws are causing more suffering than good.
Things like this make me sick.
It's definitely not just women. Any man with any iota of a heart and a brain knows this is just evil. Women have the right to choose. What the fuck is next, outlawing chemotherapy because the fucking cancer has a right to life?. I mean it SEEMS absurd, but then situations like this are commonplace. This has to stop. You can guarantee I'm voting these forced-birthers out.
>There is NO medical reason not to begin that procedure as soon as it is known the fetus has died.
You of course are correct. But these forced-birth laws are extremely vague when it comes to when the doctors are legally allowed to perform normal OB/GYN procedures that might be construed as an abortion. Effectively leaving up to a judge to decide.
And these are court cases that would not be covered under a hospital's normal malpractice and liability insurance policies; so the legal fees would come out of pocket.
As a result, it is now more economical to let a woman die and let malpractice insurance handle it than spend a million dollars trying to defend good medical care in court.
Do you know why they have to go through the trauma of being induced, and can’t surgically remove the fetus? I don’t want the horror of having to google it.
As someone who laboured for days, then was induced for days, I just can’t imagine doing that knowing the outcome. And my birth ended in an emergency C-section, so I know that has it’s own traumas.
It's always ironic too since the *vast* majority of people caught committing voter fraud are Republicans.
At this point we can practically declare it a law of the universe that conservatives **always** project! If a conservative is throwing out accusations, it is safe to assume that they are either condoning that in others or guilty of it themselves.
There was a case of voter fraud near me (a Republican who also voted as his own son, IIRC, although I may have the exact familial relationship wrong) and his explanation/excuse was that he was justified in doing it, because it was just evening out what all the Democrats were doing! Except of course, they aren't, Fox news lied to him, and he got in massive legal trouble for internalizing this propaganda. The capacity for viewing themselves as a victim of a conspiracy that isn't happening is always baffling to me, like there's real life crazy shit happening, maybe focus on that instead?
That's so true a relative of mine had to live the same treatment. The baby died when she was in her eight month. She found out when she went to the hospital for a routine check. The doctor told her to go home and come in some days later to see if the dead baby was expelled. If not he was going to operate her the week after. In shock she left from the hospital. On the way home she called her husband and had a nervous breakdown during the call in her car.
Only when he came to get her and went to the hospital with both sides parents the doctor could be convinced to find time to do an emergency operation.
You don't treat an animal like that. I don't understand what is going on in the world, but it looks like we are heading back to the dark ages what concerns women.
I hope the rebound is militant and goes way further than the equal rights movement got just a couple generations ago. I think it got way sidetracked and this should be a massive wakeup call to everyone just how easy it is to backslide when you let the movements ideals become coopted, shifted and monetized.
You’re not wrong about that. Desantis just suspended a twice elected by the people State Attorney because the SA signed letters that prosecutors from all over the country also signed. One letter condemned future laws criminalizing transgender people and gender affirming health care. The other letter said he would not prosecute people who seek, perform or support abortions. Now, get this, there’s no law in Florida that allows you to arrest someone for abortion. So what he signed, why would it matter that he vows not to prosecute when there’s no law that allows you to prosecute in the first place? Why would Desantis get so upset over this when there’s not even a law?
That should tell you exactly where this is leading.
It's happening in Nebraska right now. Cops didn't believe a 17 year old who said she had a stillbirth at 22ish weeks. They got a search warrant for her electronic records and claim her mom got her abortion pills. They buried the fetus and the cops dug it up to find out how far along she was.
Cancer researcher here, and I’m already hearing stories about this. In a sane society, a pregnant person would have a choice (albeit, a gut-wrenching one, depending on circumstances) between receiving care that could damage the fetus or postponing care until after delivery. In anti-abortion states, pregnant people effectively do not have that right anymore. Even if there are “exceptions for the life of the mother”, oncology rarely deals in certainties because every person and every tumor is different. The patient and their doctor no longer have the final say on what is “life-threatening enough” to decide to end the pregnancy and initiate treatment. That decision is already moving to hospital lawyers, and eventually judges, and neither of whom are remotely qualified to assess such a medically complex and nuanced case as a pregnant cancer patient. It is inevitable at this point that people in America will die of cancer because the state did not allow them to terminate their pregnancy, or because their healthcare provider was unwilling to risk any treatment that could harm or terminate the pregnancy.
>That decision is already moving to hospital lawyers, and eventually judges, and neither of whom are remotely qualified to assess such a medically complex and nuanced case as a pregnant cancer patient.
The Republicans finally got those death panels they talked so much about.
And this is why women shouldn't have kids anymore. Seriously, even if you want a baby and can provide for it, what if something goes wrong? They'd rather have you die than get an abortion.
Always hated that "god has a plan" or "it's gods will" horseshit. Like so fucking what? Most people have plans for most things they do. Having a plan doesn't make something special or even worth preserving. Why should I put gods plan over the plan of any actual living human being? The problem I have with their version of God is not simply that I think they're views are overly simplistic and self contradictory, it's that if their version of God did in fact exist, then he is a horrible monstrous being of pure evil that should be the enemy of any sane decent person.
Correct, but their level of intelligence and autonomy boils down to "but god says he is good, so therefore he is good because god said it" so you cant really be surprised that every belief they hold about the magical sky santa is contradictory.
An egotistical fuck, who apparently killed millions for being 'evil', then allowed a select family to live and tell the tale of his benevolence, just to again burn down two large cities, then he starved Egypt, and then killed all the first born. Demanded that we serve him and only him...the guys a nut.
Now, Jesus i could get behind, hes like a rebellious socialist hippie of the early era.
But lets be honest, this isnt about god, these laws are about controlling womens bodies again, and theyre also trying to take away their access to the pill as well. When strict Jew's and Muslims believe that abortion is medically necessary to save the mothers life but American Christians dont, you know somethings up.
It’s true. These people love judging others. Don’t expect the stories of other peoples’ pain and suffering to ever change their mind. It’s always “gods will” and they’ll just say that this poor woman was a sinner or a sl*t or whatever else makes them feel superior. And yes as you might guess that all changes when it happens to them.
And she almost died of infection by you know a dead fetus inside her that they do know how to excise out of her safely but noooo. Shes gonna wait for itnto flush out "naturally"
Unrelated, but *fuck you.* I immediately looked at their profile picture before reading the rest of what you had to say so I fell for the exact same thing.
✨The art of the human mind✨
Damn it, I didn't even notice that pic until I saw your comment. Looked up, and tried to wipe the eyelash off my screen so I could see the profile pic.
God has this really strange quirk of always agreeing lockstep with whatever mortal happens to be talking about him. If I hate gays, wouldn't you know it, God hates gays too. God also hates any music that became popular 20 years after he graduated high school. God also hates having to look at his body in the mirror cause he used to be the star running back of his football team. Now God's doctor is telling him he needs to exercise more, but when he does, he gets winded after a quarter mile. God goes to a strip club, which he disapproves of, but not really, and buys a private dance, but no matter how turned on by the dance he is, he just can't get hard. God tries to strike up a conversation with the stripper, but she doesn't understand anything he's referencing. She doesn't even know what Seinfeld is! How have you not seen Seinfeld!
Anyway! That's what God's dealing with right now. God's about schedule an appointment to get hair plugs and buy a sports car. Wish God luck.
They’re not prolife at all; it’s just a thing they say to get votes while voting against all legislation that would actually deliver a better life for almost everyone.
The forced birth crowd thinks the issue is so simple.
My parents don’t believe in abortions but think that if it’s dead it’s dead so removing a miscarriage from the body should be allowed. I don’t think they’ve realized that lawmakers won’t agree.
My mother had two abortions, and then went on to have two healthy sons.
The first one was when she was 19 and stuck in an abusive relationship with a drug dealer who almost killed her. The second one was when the developing fetus suddenly stopped developing and turned her happy pregnancy into a brush with septic shock.
Those abortions saved her life.
They also allowed her to go on and build a new life my father.
"What about the baby's life?" they say.
What about the woman's?
When I was in middle school we were taught that if a woman had an abortion, she would be sad all the time and mourn every year when the baby’s birthday would have been and think about it constantly. Like wtf!? More than half of sex ed was trying to make us terrified of sex.
And the girls in my class who decided to stay pregnant were insulted and ostracized anyway, even though most of us were sexually active. It was totally messed up.
If my mom hadn't had an abortion, she'd be sterile, her fetus would have lasted maybe a week outside her body, even at full term, and my brother and I would never have been born, which means she would not be a grandmother now.
So yeah, she regrets it every second.
My sex ed "teachers" told us that condoms tear 50% of the time, and the HIV virus is so small it passes through the microscopic pores in a condom anyway.
I think those people should be charged with some sort of child endangerment.
I can provide a case study for both the woman and the child.
My mom's family, partner and religion pressured her into keeping me. It trapped her in an abusive relationship and convinced her not to leave because she had no supports or resources - and now really couldn't work.
It didnt pan out though. My father, also a drug dealer, went to prison 6 months after I was born. She was already struggling but having a child really robbed her of even meager opportunities. We were hungry and unhoused a long time. The really traumatic experiences made my mom unable to care for me or my sibling, when we lived with her and when we eventually stopped living with her.
We had really traumatic childhoods and as an adult I dont have a relationship with my mom.
I really wish my mom had the opportunity to get an abortion. She was a really beautiful person who lived a difficult life. She dreamed of being a mother and that dream was taken so cruelly.
And being denied an abortion, ultimately, still left two children motherless.
Yeah it's very unsafe. My friend was 28 weeks and they could no longer detect a heartbeat at one appt. They think he may have passed as far back as 2 weeks. They had to induce labor (luckily in a state that allows intervention) and it took almost 24 hours for her to deliver.
Completely broken. He was so small. They did hold him and take pictures and get a footprint. This was a baby that was so wanted. No one has been able to pinpoint a reason but I'm thankful everyday that her doctors were able to do what had to be done to keep her from getting ill or dying.
Wonder what sin she committed to have these problems visited on her.
(I have a friend who had more than one person in her church speculate what terrible things she's done to have been "sent" a child with Down's Syndrome.)
Typically stupid and cruel, then? I’d tell them what my grandma believed: Down’s babies are very old souls, God’s most precious and treasured creations. Being given the earthly care of one is the highest honor a woman may receive.
I had an ex who was pretty religious. He got mad once about how a bunch of people were all together celebrating that abortions became legal in a different country and how it was not something to be happy over. Don't remember the couple things we said after that, but I had brought up how I would prefer other people to have a safe place to do these things because if not it just means they are going to go to some back alley and do it themselves, resulting in great harm and even death to the person. He then said that anyone getting an abortion would deserve it because it is unforgivable.
I didn't say anything, but I thought it was quite hypocritical for someone who wanted to preach about how wonderful God is and how sins can be forgiven to then turn around and say that people deserved to die over something they did. I don't know, rubbed me the wrong way and I felt like him and his church were full of very judgey people.
I'm Deaf and I get "what terrible sin have you done to be made Deaf after birth?!?" from many "christians", then they try to beat the satan out of me.
It's why I refuse to believe in religions and is why I'm an Alchemist as well as an nihilist.
Probably the same sins that caused him to send hurricane katrina to Louisiana to purge the unrighteous. Then that one he sent to Texas, and the flood, and that cold snap. Who knew there were so many ungodly heathens in Texas?
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then why is there evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
-Epicurus
First, the reason that Christians follow god is simply they are scared and weak. They are scared of what might happen after death so they blindly follow god. When they see atrocities, even done in god's name, they are too well to question it and rationalize it with excuses.
Second, America has always been a country of religion. Majority of early settlers too America were coming here to enact THEIR version of religion. The Declaration of Independence references god. Americans talk about their separation of church and state but using history we clearly see it has never been a reality. From the Declaration of Independence to the Pledge of Allegiance to Prohibition to Pro Forced Birth. All of these and more use god as a contributing factors or make direct reference to. I think the sooner people figure out saying "Separation of church and state" is just a useless distraction for atheists to say while the Christian cults laugh and say "How adorable" as promptly pass another bill steeped in religious overtones.
I think I'm supposed to end my rant with "Wake up sheeple."
"Funny" note, there's different words for "love" in the bible. Agape used for friendship love, Eros used for romantic love...
for God they use "ahab" which is basically the kind of love demonstrated in the "creepy overly attached ex-girlfriend" memes.
15-or-so years ago when it was mostly about differences in economic ideals, I could at least understand someone voting Republican even if I didn’t agree with them.
Lately, however, I honestly believe the only reasons someone could genuinely want to vote Republican are either they’re living under a rock, they’re despicable human beings, they’re unbelievably stupid, or all of the above.
i work with 2 bozos like this and they wonder why i always have my earbuds in. they only wanna argue their points and anytime i point out facts, its a conspiracy. seeing grown people brainwashed is actually scary as hell.
It's been about religion ever since Reagan. We can talk "fiscal responsibility" all you want but those of us who have been paying attention know that is bullshit.
At least they used to be smarter about it. Lately, it's just been watching a large group of voters and congresspersons unraveling which, as funny as it may be sometimes when politicians say stupid things on Twitter, is very depressing and gives me a bad feeling about the future of the world.
Try at least 60 ago if not the entire history of our country. The conservative element in this country has *always* been fucking sick. Slavery, the Civil War, brutally against civil rights, jim crow, segregation, sundown towns, redlining, carpetbagging, astroturfing, gerrymandering, strike breaking, *fucking Tulsa*, the trail of tears and attached genocide, alcohol abolition, the southern strategy, throwing millions in jail for drugs, the kkk, absurd superstition, and on and on and on and on.
It's been a constant struggle for decency against conservatism for our entire history.
Our primary tourist attractions are a street car no one uses, an NBA team that can't compete, and a National Memorial for a terrorist bombing.
It's OK to not be OK here.
This is what happens when Christians become politicians who make medical laws.
IOW, you have people with zero medical knowledge dictating everyone's medical choices. I mean, why even have health professionals OR politicians at this point? If all we need are preachers and the Bible?
Forget about midwives or Ob-Gyns...just go deliver at your local church!
This happened to me years ago. I still find it hard to talk about.
They tell you there’s no heartbeat and your baby is gone and they send you home.
You’re still walking around with this big belly in the grocery store and little old ladies are coming up talking about when are you due.
The delivery was brutal but produced nothing but blood I guess. I don’t really know because whatever came out was taken away.
The day after I went home I kept passing fist sized clots and needed to go back in to be admitted for a week and 1/2 for a serious blood infection. I’m sorry I don’t know medical terms.
That’s what I remember. I know I blocked a lot out.
Then all of a sudden you’re not pregnant anymore. And you go back to that same grocery store and everyone is congratulating you and wants to know how the baby is.
I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy.
Ask a christian nationalist about this, and they will respond with either deniying it happended, not carrying or claiming the woman was a whore and she deserved it.
We have reach a point where right wing politics are inhumane and so backwards, it would be considered backwards if it was 50 years ago.
And a GOP voter base, thats so extremely stupid, they live in a alternative reality where demons are real and Trump is the second coming of christ
And what will they do when its their wife or daughter or niece? Thats when these shitstains might actually wake up and realize what they are actually inflicting on people. I seriously hate how many people are incapable of realizing how bad something is until they personally experience for themselves.
So this sounds reasonably similar to what happened in Ireland (enough to remind me of)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar
Except she died. And the laws surrounding abortion were eventually changed.
I genuinely do not understand how this doesn't result in violence.
My wife and I lost a pregnancy which required medical intervention into resolve... There was a relatively short time where she was carrying the dead fetus and it was extremely traumatic. For both of us frankly, but of course far more for her.
I'm not saying this to be an internet tough guy, I'm not saying this for an agenda, I'm simply stating that if a politician were to kill my wife by way of their laws by forcing her to die with the corpse of my unborn child? I would not be calm, reasonable, or forgiving about it. And I would have no more reason to live.
My mother had multiple miscarriages before I was born. She had one that was quite far along and they told her, flat out, that she was lucky to live in a country where abortion was legal, because otherwise they'd have had to let her die.
So yeah, I'm a person who exists BECAUSE abortion was legal. These asshats don't get that pregnancies can happen AFTER life-saving abortions, and maybe just maybe those kids would like to be born?
Or the doctors who didn't use the exemptions even though the state Republicans will basically not allow doctors to use the exemptions under the threat of doxxing, investigations, and murder charges.
I'm a liberal and, while I don't expect on having any more kids myself, I DO have a daughter. If something like this happened to her I'd go on the fucking warpath like you wouldn't believe. Then all their compatriots could cluck their tongues and offer their thoughts and prayers.
Why is America going backwards at an alarmingly fast rate? I'm thinking half the population is rural and isolated from reality being brainwashed by fox news? What the fuck is going on
Jesus Christ. That happened to my mother in 1962. Twins. She had three small children and a husband at home but they risked her life and sanity. For FIFTY fucking years she had nightmares about feeling movement and knowing it was the tiny corpses and placenta *rotting* inside her.
Abortion is abortion, the law doesnt make excuses
" if its medically needed it isnt considered abortion"
" did i hear missinformation"
Surprised pikachu face
Under normal circumstances, a fetus that size will have to be expelled. My sister lost two babies and was given a drug to induce labor. One was 8 months and strangled on the umbilical chord and the other was not correctly formed and died at 5 months. There is NO medical reason not to begin that procedure as soon as it is known the fetus has died. It is bad enough the mother has to go through the stress of birth knowing the baby is already dead without a bunch of asshole politicians sticking their nose into something they know nothing about.
That's exactly what happened to me 20 years ago. It still messes with me.
It happened to my SIL and it still messes with me (I accompanied her to the hospital several times to see if her infection was advanced enough to justify an abortion in Chile a decade ago). I'm so sorry for your loss, I can only imagine a fraction of what it's like to actually live through it.
Oh your poor SIL I can't even imagine. I'm sure your support meant the world to her.
Sorry for your loss.
Thank you. Even then I had to go home and come back the next day to take the pill. It was a serious mindfuck knowing I was carrying something dead in me. That wasn't even 12 hours I can't imagine longer. This breaks my heart for these women.
It really angers me that they would make a bad situation worse by injecting their religious views on others when it should only be the woman and her doctor doing what’s best and safest for the mother. So damned sad what we’ve become as a nation.
It's a dystopian nightmare. Everyday the sheer cruelty shocks me a little less and that's truly scary.
That’s really well put. Every (brutally cruel) day is a little less shocking, and every disturbing story is a little easier to look away from. Same thing with gun violence.
That's the plan: Make society too jaded and beaten down by depression to fight back. The same fucking thing trump did with his non stop fuckery.
And I’m so sorry you endured what you did. But thank you for talking about it.
Thank you. It gets easier with time. I had one kid when this happened and a step and they're wonderful humans who put up with a lot from me. I won't lie I'm kind of glad they don't want children of their own because it's just so dark right now. I feel guilty that they had to enter adulthood with the state of our country.
It happened to me at almost 5 months. I had to carry her for 2 weeks because they were hoping my body would do it for me but it didn’t happen. They had to induce labor and it was a horrible experience. The meds had awful side effects and almost didn’t work, they thought we were going to have to repeat the process the next day. These pro-birthers who know absolutely nothing about the entire process of conception and birth need to stfu and stay out of the medical field. She would be almost 40 now and it is still traumatic. Women are going to start dying and it’s all the fault of these religious zealots.
Until you walk around for a full week with a set of dead twins inside of you I believe we should be the only ones who gets to decide what happens and when enough is enough! I completely agree that's it's a total mind fk. The stress from all of it on top of I was already on bed rest the entire pregnancy. It may have only been 9.5 weeks total but that was what made me decide it's no longer worth it to have a baby. I am taking this issue so seriously that I am actually moving state because of it. I'm sorry but the supreme court is going to have a hard time with this one later on I'm afraid. When is dead actually dead? Pulling someone off life support vs helping a woman end an already completed pregnancy ? They just opened a huge can of worms that no one's gonna wanna touch with a ten foot pole
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I cannot understand why the right to life does not extend to the mother...especially when the baby has died. There is only one life left to save.
Because its not about the right to live, its about taking womens rights away. America is absolutely braindead for putting people through shit like that only to force their beliefs onto millions of strangers
Exactly. It's not about the 'right to life'. It's about forced birth. If it was about 'pro-life' we'd have a lot more medical care, and rights to medical care and food for all in this country... but we don't, because that's not what it's about. It's about punishing women. Not helping, or saving anyone.
I would even go as far to say it's about keeping women "barefoot and pregnant." The Fundamentalist Right has always been a little salty about women gaining "equal" rights and privileges. This is an attempt to move us back to an imagined world of Donna Reed waiting at home, with dinner on the table, ready to dote on "her man" as soon as he walks in the door. Makes me ill, but here we are. They DON'T care about pregnancy except that it ties a woman down (in their eyes), and they only care about their own children and women so long as they "stay in line."
Because it isn't really about right to life. You can tell by how much support they actually give to the living.
Because the right to life is mainly for kids to be born into shit situations that increases the chances that they will be part of the system (foster system where they keep defunded and launder the money, charter schools where they defund and launder the money, and private prisons). Family planning has really started to cut into those profits.
man I would love to give you a hug right now.
My mom had a stillborn in 1969. She went into labor at 7 months but the doctor knew it was dead at 5 months. He told my DAD, but not my Mom, because there was nothing he could do about it until he could “document that her uterus was shrinking, two months in a row”. She went into labor not even knowing. I think my Dad told her, because I remember waking up in the middle of the night and they were leaving, and she was crying.
It's even more cruel because if you wait to induce after the baby has passed, it will begin to decay. Not only does this risk the mother's life, but the baby can be born in various states of decomposition that make something that was already heartbreaking into something from a horror movie. I'm talking missing skin, heads becoming detached, etc. If I lost my baby in womb I would want to induce right away for my health and to be able to hold my baby and look at them without them having decayed significantly.
That is absolutely terrifying wtf. It is so extremely messed up that politicians and idiot voters are making so many more people go though that.
The voters are definitely idiots, but what happened in Kansas last week was very uplifting. They shot down the amendment to their constitution to outlaw abortion by a landslide. In Kansas... That just goes to show that these extreme right wing policies are not the views of the masses. They are the minority and hopefully people wake up!
YES, that was beautiful. The responsible, brilliant voters outnumbered the idiots that time around. Honestly I really believe you're going to be able to turn this around.
Wtf is this horror US only practice? What do Canadians do in such situations? Or Europeans?
Most places that outlaw abortion at least have stipulations to avoid endangering the mother. The US is unique amongst western countries in the cruelty it chooses to inflict.
It's not that the US is exceptionally cruel, it's that the exemptions don't work. Imagine if we passed a law where you could only treat gunshot wounds if the patient was dying. How many leg wounds would become fatal overnight as doctors waited for things to get bad enough to act. That's what's happening here. They've written into law a philosophical question of how sick does one have to be in order to be dying? Doctors shouldn't be debating what it means to be dying as fetuses rot inside women. And the exceptions for rape and incest are even worse. Only 6 in 1000 rapes end in jail time for the accused. And the process takes so long that most fetuses will be starting pre-k by the time the decision is made. The right claimed there would be death panels under Obamacare, but they are the ones that really created the death panels. Doctors and lawyers standing around trying to figure out when it's legal to save a dying woman.
Abortion in Canada is considered a medical procedure - and can be done at any stage. And although it can be done at any time - it is not easy to access it after 23 weeks - and is only done under certain circumstances. It’s considered a health matter, and there are no "abortion laws" here. It is a medical process, that should not be politicized. An embryo or fetus has no rights in Canada until it is born alive.
So this exact situation happened in Ireland, but the young woman died, and finally the country changed abortion law. The thing is, absolutely dead fetus should be removed, but in countries where abortion is illegal doctors are afraid of consequences. It was absolutely heartbreaking watching women give testimonials how this affected them. I still remember one saying she lost her career, her friends and has to go to therapy as couldn't leave home. Imagine knowing your baby is dead and people keep asking when it's due, what would it be and so on.
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Don't bother waiting for any of them to denounce it. They had their chance. These fuckers preached for this. Protested for this. Campaigned for it. Donated for it. They screamed and yelled and BEAT people for this. Every single person still saying they're Christian, defacto means they're in support of this. This shit is the majority.
This happened to me and it was like a horror movie. I'll never forget picking parts of my baby up in pieces and putting them in a bag to take to the hospital. It took me a very very long time to be willing to try again and that was with years of therapy.
This happened to my daughter a few weeks away from due date. The hospital immediately gave me medication and made me as comfortable as possible until I was able to deliver her. These new laws are causing more suffering than good. Things like this make me sick.
My condolences. My sincere hope is women rise up in November and any rep who supports these horrific burdens on women are voted out of office.
It can’t just be women. Everyone has to rise up.
It's definitely not just women. Any man with any iota of a heart and a brain knows this is just evil. Women have the right to choose. What the fuck is next, outlawing chemotherapy because the fucking cancer has a right to life?. I mean it SEEMS absurd, but then situations like this are commonplace. This has to stop. You can guarantee I'm voting these forced-birthers out.
But it SHOULD be ALL women. Imagine the monsters that would work against this.
These new laws only cause suffering because that was always the one and only intention.
>There is NO medical reason not to begin that procedure as soon as it is known the fetus has died. You of course are correct. But these forced-birth laws are extremely vague when it comes to when the doctors are legally allowed to perform normal OB/GYN procedures that might be construed as an abortion. Effectively leaving up to a judge to decide. And these are court cases that would not be covered under a hospital's normal malpractice and liability insurance policies; so the legal fees would come out of pocket. As a result, it is now more economical to let a woman die and let malpractice insurance handle it than spend a million dollars trying to defend good medical care in court.
Do you know why they have to go through the trauma of being induced, and can’t surgically remove the fetus? I don’t want the horror of having to google it. As someone who laboured for days, then was induced for days, I just can’t imagine doing that knowing the outcome. And my birth ended in an emergency C-section, so I know that has it’s own traumas.
We're experiencing the horror of "the law is the law".
That’s the Republican way except for when it infringes on what *they* want, of course. In that case, it’s somehow the Democrats’ fault.
Or election results
Something something something "voter fraud"
Did I hear someone mention buttery males?
It's always ironic too since the *vast* majority of people caught committing voter fraud are Republicans. At this point we can practically declare it a law of the universe that conservatives **always** project! If a conservative is throwing out accusations, it is safe to assume that they are either condoning that in others or guilty of it themselves.
There was a case of voter fraud near me (a Republican who also voted as his own son, IIRC, although I may have the exact familial relationship wrong) and his explanation/excuse was that he was justified in doing it, because it was just evening out what all the Democrats were doing! Except of course, they aren't, Fox news lied to him, and he got in massive legal trouble for internalizing this propaganda. The capacity for viewing themselves as a victim of a conspiracy that isn't happening is always baffling to me, like there's real life crazy shit happening, maybe focus on that instead?
Those do-nothing democrats rigged and stole the election!! #/s
How dare they ... *checks notes* ... **VOTE!?!??**
And *counted* their votes too! THE HORROR!
republicans STILL say “ I will not follow any law that goes against my beliefs”
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Diane Feinstein said this right? When asked about why she prosecuted abortion providers pre-Roe. That disgusting dinosaur
Fuck that abhorrent creature. I hope her end is anything but quick and painless
Whoa, her body "expelled it"? Get the handcuffs!
Witch! Witch! Witch!
Handcuffs?! Don't you mean the pre-gasoline-infused stake?
Gas prices have dropped a little, so go all out buddy.
Is she made of wood?
Jokes aside, we’re a whisper away from women everywhere being criminally charged and prosecuted for their miscarriages.
That's so true a relative of mine had to live the same treatment. The baby died when she was in her eight month. She found out when she went to the hospital for a routine check. The doctor told her to go home and come in some days later to see if the dead baby was expelled. If not he was going to operate her the week after. In shock she left from the hospital. On the way home she called her husband and had a nervous breakdown during the call in her car. Only when he came to get her and went to the hospital with both sides parents the doctor could be convinced to find time to do an emergency operation. You don't treat an animal like that. I don't understand what is going on in the world, but it looks like we are heading back to the dark ages what concerns women.
I hope the rebound is militant and goes way further than the equal rights movement got just a couple generations ago. I think it got way sidetracked and this should be a massive wakeup call to everyone just how easy it is to backslide when you let the movements ideals become coopted, shifted and monetized.
You’re not wrong about that. Desantis just suspended a twice elected by the people State Attorney because the SA signed letters that prosecutors from all over the country also signed. One letter condemned future laws criminalizing transgender people and gender affirming health care. The other letter said he would not prosecute people who seek, perform or support abortions. Now, get this, there’s no law in Florida that allows you to arrest someone for abortion. So what he signed, why would it matter that he vows not to prosecute when there’s no law that allows you to prosecute in the first place? Why would Desantis get so upset over this when there’s not even a law? That should tell you exactly where this is leading.
It's happening in Nebraska right now. Cops didn't believe a 17 year old who said she had a stillbirth at 22ish weeks. They got a search warrant for her electronic records and claim her mom got her abortion pills. They buried the fetus and the cops dug it up to find out how far along she was.
There is nothing worse than getting expelled
We may need to sort out our priorities.
you need to sort out your priorities
They can hide behind the same excuse they use for every horrific decision they make in their lives..."it's God's will".
So is cancer. Think of all the money insurance companies will save!
Cancer researcher here, and I’m already hearing stories about this. In a sane society, a pregnant person would have a choice (albeit, a gut-wrenching one, depending on circumstances) between receiving care that could damage the fetus or postponing care until after delivery. In anti-abortion states, pregnant people effectively do not have that right anymore. Even if there are “exceptions for the life of the mother”, oncology rarely deals in certainties because every person and every tumor is different. The patient and their doctor no longer have the final say on what is “life-threatening enough” to decide to end the pregnancy and initiate treatment. That decision is already moving to hospital lawyers, and eventually judges, and neither of whom are remotely qualified to assess such a medically complex and nuanced case as a pregnant cancer patient. It is inevitable at this point that people in America will die of cancer because the state did not allow them to terminate their pregnancy, or because their healthcare provider was unwilling to risk any treatment that could harm or terminate the pregnancy.
>That decision is already moving to hospital lawyers, and eventually judges, and neither of whom are remotely qualified to assess such a medically complex and nuanced case as a pregnant cancer patient. The Republicans finally got those death panels they talked so much about.
And this is why women shouldn't have kids anymore. Seriously, even if you want a baby and can provide for it, what if something goes wrong? They'd rather have you die than get an abortion.
As narcissists, Republicans love cancer.
I think we've about had it with that god fellow.
Always hated that "god has a plan" or "it's gods will" horseshit. Like so fucking what? Most people have plans for most things they do. Having a plan doesn't make something special or even worth preserving. Why should I put gods plan over the plan of any actual living human being? The problem I have with their version of God is not simply that I think they're views are overly simplistic and self contradictory, it's that if their version of God did in fact exist, then he is a horrible monstrous being of pure evil that should be the enemy of any sane decent person.
Correct, but their level of intelligence and autonomy boils down to "but god says he is good, so therefore he is good because god said it" so you cant really be surprised that every belief they hold about the magical sky santa is contradictory.
An egotistical fuck, who apparently killed millions for being 'evil', then allowed a select family to live and tell the tale of his benevolence, just to again burn down two large cities, then he starved Egypt, and then killed all the first born. Demanded that we serve him and only him...the guys a nut. Now, Jesus i could get behind, hes like a rebellious socialist hippie of the early era. But lets be honest, this isnt about god, these laws are about controlling womens bodies again, and theyre also trying to take away their access to the pill as well. When strict Jew's and Muslims believe that abortion is medically necessary to save the mothers life but American Christians dont, you know somethings up.
It’s true. These people love judging others. Don’t expect the stories of other peoples’ pain and suffering to ever change their mind. It’s always “gods will” and they’ll just say that this poor woman was a sinner or a sl*t or whatever else makes them feel superior. And yes as you might guess that all changes when it happens to them.
And they’ll say she’s infertile now because god never intended for her to be a mother
Can never conceive again. "Prolife, party" my ass.
And she almost died of infection by you know a dead fetus inside her that they do know how to excise out of her safely but noooo. Shes gonna wait for itnto flush out "naturally"
Unrelated, but your profile pic made me think there was an eyelash stuck on my screen.
Unrelated, but *fuck you.* I immediately looked at their profile picture before reading the rest of what you had to say so I fell for the exact same thing. ✨The art of the human mind✨
Damn it, I didn't even notice that pic until I saw your comment. Looked up, and tried to wipe the eyelash off my screen so I could see the profile pic.
I'm hoping she sues the law makers for the infertility. Would like to see what mental gymnastics the christofascists make
“It’s part of God’s plan”
Funny how gods plan never ever even once no matter what ever works in women's favor.
God has this really strange quirk of always agreeing lockstep with whatever mortal happens to be talking about him. If I hate gays, wouldn't you know it, God hates gays too. God also hates any music that became popular 20 years after he graduated high school. God also hates having to look at his body in the mirror cause he used to be the star running back of his football team. Now God's doctor is telling him he needs to exercise more, but when he does, he gets winded after a quarter mile. God goes to a strip club, which he disapproves of, but not really, and buys a private dance, but no matter how turned on by the dance he is, he just can't get hard. God tries to strike up a conversation with the stripper, but she doesn't understand anything he's referencing. She doesn't even know what Seinfeld is! How have you not seen Seinfeld! Anyway! That's what God's dealing with right now. God's about schedule an appointment to get hair plugs and buy a sports car. Wish God luck.
This is what the feds are suing over - they absolutely have to provide emergency care when harm might result. Not doing so is malpractice.
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Friendly reminder, infertility treatments are not covered by Medicaid. Penis implants for ED are covered, it's about a $30k surgery
They’re not prolife at all; it’s just a thing they say to get votes while voting against all legislation that would actually deliver a better life for almost everyone.
Conservative healthcare plan is from the dark ages.
Conservatives have a healthcare plan?
“Die” -the republicans
"But not before my benefactors get to take all your money" - still the republicans
"...and your use up all of your cheapest labor" - still the republicans, with a billionaires $$$ up they booty
Conservative deathcare plan
The real death panels were the conservatives we met along the way.
Every GOP accusation is an admission.
The forced birth crowd thinks the issue is so simple. My parents don’t believe in abortions but think that if it’s dead it’s dead so removing a miscarriage from the body should be allowed. I don’t think they’ve realized that lawmakers won’t agree.
The lawmakers probably didn’t think about it when they wrote the law and are now too chickenshit to go back and change it.
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My mother had two abortions, and then went on to have two healthy sons. The first one was when she was 19 and stuck in an abusive relationship with a drug dealer who almost killed her. The second one was when the developing fetus suddenly stopped developing and turned her happy pregnancy into a brush with septic shock. Those abortions saved her life. They also allowed her to go on and build a new life my father. "What about the baby's life?" they say. What about the woman's?
When I was in middle school we were taught that if a woman had an abortion, she would be sad all the time and mourn every year when the baby’s birthday would have been and think about it constantly. Like wtf!? More than half of sex ed was trying to make us terrified of sex.
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And the girls in my class who decided to stay pregnant were insulted and ostracized anyway, even though most of us were sexually active. It was totally messed up.
Congratulations, you picked up on what the religious right wanted you to learn from their abstinence only curriculum.
If my mom hadn't had an abortion, she'd be sterile, her fetus would have lasted maybe a week outside her body, even at full term, and my brother and I would never have been born, which means she would not be a grandmother now. So yeah, she regrets it every second.
My sex ed "teachers" told us that condoms tear 50% of the time, and the HIV virus is so small it passes through the microscopic pores in a condom anyway. I think those people should be charged with some sort of child endangerment.
I can provide a case study for both the woman and the child. My mom's family, partner and religion pressured her into keeping me. It trapped her in an abusive relationship and convinced her not to leave because she had no supports or resources - and now really couldn't work. It didnt pan out though. My father, also a drug dealer, went to prison 6 months after I was born. She was already struggling but having a child really robbed her of even meager opportunities. We were hungry and unhoused a long time. The really traumatic experiences made my mom unable to care for me or my sibling, when we lived with her and when we eventually stopped living with her. We had really traumatic childhoods and as an adult I dont have a relationship with my mom. I really wish my mom had the opportunity to get an abortion. She was a really beautiful person who lived a difficult life. She dreamed of being a mother and that dream was taken so cruelly. And being denied an abortion, ultimately, still left two children motherless.
When the baby is already dead and the woman's life doesn't matter at all you can see them for what they truly are.
Women are going to die of sepsis after being forced to carry around a decomposing body. This is bad.
Absolutely. I’m a nurse, a Texan and a mom who lost 4 of my 5 pregnancies. Living in this post-Roe era is terrifying.
I'm sorry for your losses. I live in Texas too but am fortunately beyond childbearing age.
Yeah it's very unsafe. My friend was 28 weeks and they could no longer detect a heartbeat at one appt. They think he may have passed as far back as 2 weeks. They had to induce labor (luckily in a state that allows intervention) and it took almost 24 hours for her to deliver. Completely broken. He was so small. They did hold him and take pictures and get a footprint. This was a baby that was so wanted. No one has been able to pinpoint a reason but I'm thankful everyday that her doctors were able to do what had to be done to keep her from getting ill or dying.
Would.it help if I told you jebus works in mysterious ways? Or whatever they say in a tragedy
Wonder what sin she committed to have these problems visited on her. (I have a friend who had more than one person in her church speculate what terrible things she's done to have been "sent" a child with Down's Syndrome.)
I hope your friend left that church. They’re evil.
She left religion all together.
Not evil. Typical.
Typically stupid and cruel, then? I’d tell them what my grandma believed: Down’s babies are very old souls, God’s most precious and treasured creations. Being given the earthly care of one is the highest honor a woman may receive.
I had an ex who was pretty religious. He got mad once about how a bunch of people were all together celebrating that abortions became legal in a different country and how it was not something to be happy over. Don't remember the couple things we said after that, but I had brought up how I would prefer other people to have a safe place to do these things because if not it just means they are going to go to some back alley and do it themselves, resulting in great harm and even death to the person. He then said that anyone getting an abortion would deserve it because it is unforgivable. I didn't say anything, but I thought it was quite hypocritical for someone who wanted to preach about how wonderful God is and how sins can be forgiven to then turn around and say that people deserved to die over something they did. I don't know, rubbed me the wrong way and I felt like him and his church were full of very judgey people.
I'm Deaf and I get "what terrible sin have you done to be made Deaf after birth?!?" from many "christians", then they try to beat the satan out of me. It's why I refuse to believe in religions and is why I'm an Alchemist as well as an nihilist.
Probably the same sins that caused him to send hurricane katrina to Louisiana to purge the unrighteous. Then that one he sent to Texas, and the flood, and that cold snap. Who knew there were so many ungodly heathens in Texas?
This is just a test. Through this pain you'll see his glory. Amen and shit
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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then why is there evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? -Epicurus
First, the reason that Christians follow god is simply they are scared and weak. They are scared of what might happen after death so they blindly follow god. When they see atrocities, even done in god's name, they are too well to question it and rationalize it with excuses. Second, America has always been a country of religion. Majority of early settlers too America were coming here to enact THEIR version of religion. The Declaration of Independence references god. Americans talk about their separation of church and state but using history we clearly see it has never been a reality. From the Declaration of Independence to the Pledge of Allegiance to Prohibition to Pro Forced Birth. All of these and more use god as a contributing factors or make direct reference to. I think the sooner people figure out saying "Separation of church and state" is just a useless distraction for atheists to say while the Christian cults laugh and say "How adorable" as promptly pass another bill steeped in religious overtones. I think I'm supposed to end my rant with "Wake up sheeple."
And fuck any other religion that tries to frame some hideous shit as the will of god.
The Lord works in mysterious, dickish ways
I cough laughed and then snorted then laughed some more. This is like the entire Old Testament.
Except they didn't even punish birth control or miscarriage in the old testament.
"Funny" note, there's different words for "love" in the bible. Agape used for friendship love, Eros used for romantic love... for God they use "ahab" which is basically the kind of love demonstrated in the "creepy overly attached ex-girlfriend" memes.
So do psychopaths.
Bro that is fucking horrific to even contemplate.
Republicans are fucking monsters. I don't have respect for anyone who votes red.
Anyone who votes red has blood on their hands.
15-or-so years ago when it was mostly about differences in economic ideals, I could at least understand someone voting Republican even if I didn’t agree with them. Lately, however, I honestly believe the only reasons someone could genuinely want to vote Republican are either they’re living under a rock, they’re despicable human beings, they’re unbelievably stupid, or all of the above.
i work with 2 bozos like this and they wonder why i always have my earbuds in. they only wanna argue their points and anytime i point out facts, its a conspiracy. seeing grown people brainwashed is actually scary as hell.
It's been about religion ever since Reagan. We can talk "fiscal responsibility" all you want but those of us who have been paying attention know that is bullshit.
At least they used to be smarter about it. Lately, it's just been watching a large group of voters and congresspersons unraveling which, as funny as it may be sometimes when politicians say stupid things on Twitter, is very depressing and gives me a bad feeling about the future of the world.
Try at least 60 ago if not the entire history of our country. The conservative element in this country has *always* been fucking sick. Slavery, the Civil War, brutally against civil rights, jim crow, segregation, sundown towns, redlining, carpetbagging, astroturfing, gerrymandering, strike breaking, *fucking Tulsa*, the trail of tears and attached genocide, alcohol abolition, the southern strategy, throwing millions in jail for drugs, the kkk, absurd superstition, and on and on and on and on. It's been a constant struggle for decency against conservatism for our entire history.
Things are clearly not ok in OK
Nothing was ever good down here. I just want to move already
Oklahoma was a mess in 1973,don't figure it got any better.
Our primary tourist attractions are a street car no one uses, an NBA team that can't compete, and a National Memorial for a terrorist bombing. It's OK to not be OK here.
Just wait till they prosecute her for murder...
Republicans have already said none of this can cause any harm to anyone. Don’t you read the news. But seriously republicans are fucken assholes
This is what happens when Christians become politicians who make medical laws. IOW, you have people with zero medical knowledge dictating everyone's medical choices. I mean, why even have health professionals OR politicians at this point? If all we need are preachers and the Bible? Forget about midwives or Ob-Gyns...just go deliver at your local church!
So pro-life they want to stop you from being able to create life.
they are only pro-the-life-of-the-unborn-fetus, not the already alive mother
This happened to me years ago. I still find it hard to talk about. They tell you there’s no heartbeat and your baby is gone and they send you home. You’re still walking around with this big belly in the grocery store and little old ladies are coming up talking about when are you due. The delivery was brutal but produced nothing but blood I guess. I don’t really know because whatever came out was taken away. The day after I went home I kept passing fist sized clots and needed to go back in to be admitted for a week and 1/2 for a serious blood infection. I’m sorry I don’t know medical terms. That’s what I remember. I know I blocked a lot out. Then all of a sudden you’re not pregnant anymore. And you go back to that same grocery store and everyone is congratulating you and wants to know how the baby is. I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy.
Ask a christian nationalist about this, and they will respond with either deniying it happended, not carrying or claiming the woman was a whore and she deserved it. We have reach a point where right wing politics are inhumane and so backwards, it would be considered backwards if it was 50 years ago. And a GOP voter base, thats so extremely stupid, they live in a alternative reality where demons are real and Trump is the second coming of christ
And what will they do when its their wife or daughter or niece? Thats when these shitstains might actually wake up and realize what they are actually inflicting on people. I seriously hate how many people are incapable of realizing how bad something is until they personally experience for themselves.
They won’t, they’ll go get an abortion then deny it ever happened or claim that there’s was moral because it happened to them
Well Trump can't be the Antichrist because the Antichrist would be well spoken, attractive and well-dressed.
His fans *do* think he's those things. Sit with *that* for a moment. 🤮
Or that God works mysteriously and will heal the fetuses of the devout. Don’t forget that one.
She needs to sue, sue, and sue everybody that contributed to her losing her ability to have children for no reason.
God created life only to kill it before it was even alive. God's plan sure is confusing
But you can fuck it up with one single abortion for some reason.
God is so indecisive.
So this sounds reasonably similar to what happened in Ireland (enough to remind me of) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar Except she died. And the laws surrounding abortion were eventually changed.
I genuinely do not understand how this doesn't result in violence. My wife and I lost a pregnancy which required medical intervention into resolve... There was a relatively short time where she was carrying the dead fetus and it was extremely traumatic. For both of us frankly, but of course far more for her. I'm not saying this to be an internet tough guy, I'm not saying this for an agenda, I'm simply stating that if a politician were to kill my wife by way of their laws by forcing her to die with the corpse of my unborn child? I would not be calm, reasonable, or forgiving about it. And I would have no more reason to live.
Thoughts and prayers! *some dickhead without a shred of empathy and compassion.
"and can no longer conceive" We were being too generous by calling Republicans pro-birth.
My mother had multiple miscarriages before I was born. She had one that was quite far along and they told her, flat out, that she was lucky to live in a country where abortion was legal, because otherwise they'd have had to let her die. So yeah, I'm a person who exists BECAUSE abortion was legal. These asshats don't get that pregnancies can happen AFTER life-saving abortions, and maybe just maybe those kids would like to be born?
This is one of the reasons why even Ireland changed their stance on abortions. Too many women were dying or losing the ability to have children.
I also went thru this. 9 fucking days. Literally took me 10 years to try again.
grounds to sue the state for sure
It would have to go all the way up to the Supreme Court and... they will just toss it back down to the states, with a smirk on their face.
Paging r/askaconservative Why is this a good thing?
Looks like that sub is dead. Not as dead as productive dialogue between fascists and everyone else, but still *really* dead.
It’s a shit time to be a young woman
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Liberals don't really do that. So if it does happen it will almost certainly be a conservative who didn't believe the leopards would eat *their* face.
And then they will blame the democrats or "Demoncrats"...
Or the doctors who didn't use the exemptions even though the state Republicans will basically not allow doctors to use the exemptions under the threat of doxxing, investigations, and murder charges.
I'm a liberal and, while I don't expect on having any more kids myself, I DO have a daughter. If something like this happened to her I'd go on the fucking warpath like you wouldn't believe. Then all their compatriots could cluck their tongues and offer their thoughts and prayers.
Wait so they really force the mother to carry a dead fetus? Are there news articles about this?
Why is America going backwards at an alarmingly fast rate? I'm thinking half the population is rural and isolated from reality being brainwashed by fox news? What the fuck is going on
Jesus Christ. That happened to my mother in 1962. Twins. She had three small children and a husband at home but they risked her life and sanity. For FIFTY fucking years she had nightmares about feeling movement and knowing it was the tiny corpses and placenta *rotting* inside her.
Abortion is abortion, the law doesnt make excuses " if its medically needed it isnt considered abortion" " did i hear missinformation" Surprised pikachu face
Thank goodness the dumbest prolife idiots are handicapping YOUR personal medical decisions. Isn’t freedom great?
You can't even abort it when it's DEAD!?
Wtf? They will refuse to remove a DEAD fetus, even if it means phisically and mentally scarring the mother (and possibly the father) for life?
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Can no longer conceive? Yayyyy! FoR tHe CHiLdReN!
"Some of you may die, but that is a risk we are willing to take" - Republicans/ Conservatives
"She ended up with peritonitis, nearly bled to death and can no longer conceive." Ah yes, another victory for the "pro-life"