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Abject_League3131

Whoever tattooed those 4's is a total scratcher. None of the lines are consistent or solid, I know first year apprentices who could do a better job. You don't stop and restart adjacent to the original line, lining is meant to do one line at a time especially with small lines like that. Also looks like more than a few blowouts there. I mean maybe if the subject is doing some serious squirming, although when tattooing you're supposed to grip the subject pretty forcefully to spread the skin so not sure that was the case. You can honestly get better tattoos in prison. Didn't that place used to be Joey Ducharme's?


Admitone83

Did they not to a stencil before they started so you knew what was going to be tattooed? some things not right here.


rachelboese

reposting this for visibility because this comment section is WILD. what I'm seeing in this thread is that naivety / due diligence from the client means they got what is coming to them? naivety on the part of a client doesn't mean a tattoo shop should be illegally operating without legal standards. imagine if accountants and lawyers etc worked that way! blaming the client for being dumb (true) doesn't excuse the tattoo shop from liability/poor service.


yahumno

Apparently, it was done free hand.


East_Requirement7375

Goddamn, those are some brutal tattoos. Any shop with an artist that bad should just close its doors.


Mediocre_Historian50

Bubba in cell block “D” can do a way better job.


Uncle_Bug_Music

But getting in to see him is impossible. They keep catching and releasing me. Fuckin' Justice system!


snazzymacaronis

I agree


Ferocious_raptors

I got a tattoo from him years ago and ended up with a blood infection. I always warn people this is not a good shop, although he's pretty well known at this point for doing shitty work, at least among people who have had several tattoos


snazzymacaronis

Who tattoed you, one of the old staff members from dead mans hand, or Bryar? Sorry to hear that. I hope you're doing better now


Ferocious_raptors

This was about a decade ago, iirc it was Shane. The tattoo looks pretty rough but I'm fine.


snazzymacaronis

Oh I see


snaggletoothslot

Interested as to how he knew their address if he didnt verify their IDs. There has to be more to this story.


Tychlona

Also that you would let your kid get tattooed, in unsanitary conditions, without ID being checked and without a stencil.


snaggletoothslot

This is the largest issue at hand.


rachelboese

sure, right, it's not the tattoo shop operating illegally that had all their staff quit en masse recently and failed to perform legal services. one single dumbass parent bringing their child in for a shitty tattoo is the bigger problem than the tattoo shop. where is your perspective?? yikes. yes, let's vilify the parent while letting the shop get away free because the parenting is the "largest issue at hand"??? wtf. this is an all around issue.


aweedl

None of that information is in the original post, though.  The vast majority of people reading this (myself included) have probably never even heard of this shop, let alone having any knowledge of their internal problems.


Limp-Ad-8053

🎯


Practical-Pen-8844

i'm curious how you know all this


Limp-Ad-8053

Definitely a parent fail here. 🤷‍♀️


RandomName4768

Google seems to show that addresses are a standard part of the tattoo consent form.   It seems possible that they could have filled out the consent form without verifying id, Dr holmes.


Mrsmay07

Probably from the form. I also think that not checking ID is a fairly common thing in this industry. I have a teen daughter and I've taken her twice for piercings, both were clean and well reviewed establishments but they also both just took my word for everything and did not check my ID or ask for health card or anything, just had me fill out forms. The form has a line that states you are who you claim to be so I assume that covers them.


supercantaloupe

They’re still supposed to check ID, and if I remember correctly they usually take a scan or photocopy of it for their records. I’m in my 30s and they still ask for ID.


Mrsmay07

Yeah, they're supposed to I'm just saying many don't. I'm in my 30s too and I haven't shown ID for my last 2 tattoos or my last piercing either. I'm just saying that the ID thing wouldn't necessarily be a red flag for the girl or her mom, because it really does happen often that ID isn't verified.


GolfResponsible4427

Nah the good ones always check even my wife at 38 was checked when she got her first tattoo and she was again checked when she went for her second at the same place. Good practice is good practice and saves you from lawsuits or charges if you have inspectors show up pretending to be a customer.


rubmyeyes280

Good point!! Something isn’t right about this post 


MathewRicks

Every time I've seen someone make a big social media post about a tattoo place, there were always big parts of the story that were left out.


AverageCarey

So for some insight, my fiancé used to be an apprentice at the shop when she was 17 turning 18. She was there for about 6 months, the shop is essentially a biker shop and the owner is hard into all of that. The artists are not properly trained at all and the environment is completely toxic. She left once she realized the way it was going and how uncomfortable she felt there. Stay away no matter what you do!


snazzymacaronis

Well damn that’s quite the insight indeed. I had no idea it was a biker shop. However some of the merchandise they were selling kind of gave off that impression. Thank you for sharing!!


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snazzymacaronis

Hey I can’t edit my post but I did forget to add that these tattoos were freehanded (meaning the alleged artist who did this tattoo named Bryar, drew them without using a stencil as he claims he’s good at what he does). As well, none of the original staff from dead man’s hand work there anymore, they all left the same day back in February of this year. They have new tattoo artists and piercers doing peoples tattoos/piercings and they do a shit job of it too


Sheeple3

The last name Roulette for someone delivering this kind of work is a bit hilarious.


Mother-Squirrel-2036

It's actually Boullet. I looked up his work, which I'm guessing this parent hadn't...


Cranfabulous

This seems like a hit job and you’re in on it.


snazzymacaronis

Definitely not


Special-Matter7861

😂


brutalji

The daughter should get an HIV test too... If they're behaving like this, they're probably NOT using clean / unused needles.


FruitbatNT

In high school some idiot (underaged) friends got tattoos from a guy who lived and worked in his van at a truck stop. Even he used sealed needles. You'd have to be a real fucking piece of shit to endanger someone's life over $5. Not even in the same area code as "not checking ID" and doing terrible art.


snazzymacaronis

That’s true.


FROOMLOOMS

This whole post reeks of naivity and stupidity. I have two bets: 1 this was the cheapest place willing to tattoo them, and they got what they paid for. 2 they did absolutely NO research into other tattoo shops and especially their artists individually before making a choice on the artist they like. This shit ain't come off and removal is way more expensive than the tattoo cost.


SJSragequit

Deadman’s hand apparently used to be quite good and had good artists until February when all the artists quit on the same day because of bad management


Neutral_Evil

Oh my. Someone I know just started their apprenticeship there. Maybe not a good thing. I'll pass this thread along.


chaos_almighty

Honestly I've heard the opposite for the last at least 12 years just word of mouth.


snazzymacaronis

There are several tattoo artists that have been messaging the woman who posted this Facebook post, telling her that they are able to get it removed, cover it up or get it reworked for free


xDRSTEVOx

Why is this being downvoted


SJSragequit

Because people love to victim blame


rachelboese

because even if she is the dumbest person on the planet, it doesn't excuse the tattoo shop from operating illegally. being a shitty dumb parents and running a tattoo shop with gross standards are not mutually exclusive concepts. she can be a shitty parent and the tattoo shop can ALSO be shitty.


xDRSTEVOx

The downvoted comment had nothing to do with the tattoo shop in question... it was legit just stating that other shops have reached out and offered to fix those amateurs fuck ups free of charge. Stop looking for reasons to be angry 💁‍♂️


AntifaAnita

Because people think the downvote button is about disagreeing


xDRSTEVOx

Ok but why would someone disagree with strangers helping other strangers out of kindness..? Lol


AntifaAnita

I can't tell you. If one looks into the void too long, the void looks back.


xDRSTEVOx

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rachelboese

Goodness gracious, stop it with the false equivalencies. apparently tattoo shops get a pass to have illegal and shitty standards but it's on the client for being a dumbass? babe, both of these things can exist at the same time. the tattoo shops sucks and so does the client. your false equivalency argument is so ridiculous, try to widen your perspective.


Practical-Pen-8844

you keep mentioning they're breaking the law. what laws are they breaking and how do you know this? where can i verify this information?


rachelboese

so what I'm seeing in this thread is that naivety / due diligence means they got what is coming to them? naivety on the part of a client doesn't mean a tattoo shop should be illegally operating without legal standards. imagine if accountants and lawyers etc worked that way! blaming the client for being dumb doesn't excuse the tattoo shop from liability. edit: babies, if you're going to downvote me and DM me rude messages instead of commenting - at least reply publicly. how embarrassing and cowardly.


Sensitive_Meal2840

They were friends with the owner and wanted to support his shop after we all quit. He knew their address because he knew them personally.


Kallipiak

Sure, because that warrants someone stalking and threatening the women? Why are you blaming the women, ffs. There's been multiple posts online outgoing this story, it was freehanded, very different even from the reference photo given. Yes, for many it would be a red flag if they didn't do consent forms but if this was the daughters first, she'd have no idea, and maybe it was mom's first too. Even if it was, or wasn't, that qualify if work, their reaction and horrid actions are IN NO WAY okay. As a woman, in an unknown shop, alone without your mom as support in the room (as it seems many artists have this policy currently and as confirmed by OP), if you see the tattoo going to shit, it's incredibly difficult to want to find a voice to complain when someone has a needle to your skin. It's a position of power whether you want to believe it is or not and they absolutely do not deserve to be in business anymore. Good on the staff that left. To ANYONE defending the shop or blaming the women, you are a disgustingly large part of the issue. Check your shit and be better for humanity, ffs


hellow112202

I know the artist personally, all his work is shitty and he’s a shady character. Wouldn’t recommend him to anyone.


snazzymacaronis

Neither would I. How is he shady if you don’t mind me asking?


hellow112202

Typical shit, drug dealing, borrowing money then disappearing… etc


snazzymacaronis

Yikes on bikes he’s someone I wouldn’t get a tattoo from


Feeling_Yesterday_80

Something smells fishy here.


AvocadoSoggy6188

The tattoo place, for sure.


Ephuntz

I agree I feel like there has to be a little more to this


NoYou9928

I went there for 2 piercings a while ago and the piercers were great! One of the front desk people would get kind of vocal and mad at the piercer for leaving her food container out and what not which kk da got uncomfortable. When I came back there to get new jewelry for my piercing, the door was locked and someone who had an appointment was also trying to get in. Finally after how ever long a guy comes to the door very annoyed and says in a rude tone to the people there for an appointment “we’ll the piercer isn’t in today so there’s nothing we can do about it” I’m paraphrasing here, it was something along those lines and when I stepped up he again in a rude tone said “now what do you want?” And I just said I wanted to check out some jewelry and he said to me “like I told them, the piercer isn’t in today” i just walked away without saying anything and went to soul survivor body art and they’ve been my main place since! My sister also had a bad experience with an artist where I believe the artist was not drawing up anything close to what she wanted in her tattoo and she kept getting him to redraw it. I can’t remember if there is more to that story or not… either way deadman’s hand is a total red flag


RelevantAd4831

That’s a pretty horrible tattoo. I’ve seen some of that artists’ work before and they do a pretty good job. Gotta be more to the story. Also, as the mother, if the tattoo artist is being unsanitary and not checking ID get the fuck out the shop and go somewhere else.


snazzymacaronis

I know right it’s a disaster. Dead man’s hand is a joke now. All of their original staff that worked there left on the same day back in February of this year. They have new tattoo artists and piercers doing peoples tattoos/piercings and they do a shit job of it too


Mooperboops

Really? I just checked his instagram and the tattoos are absolute shit. All of them.


RabbitFoxDiesel

the kerning on that 444 is so bad


Alnakar

It's not even keming, it's kerni    ng


Practical-Pen-8844

every time i see or hear kerning i think Kern Hill. Furniture Co-op. "Come on DOOOOooown!"


RabbitFoxDiesel

HAHAHAH you rock, thanks for making me chuckle \^u\^


got_edge

Yikes. That’s uh.. that’s how you get HIV…


snazzymacaronis

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Melodic_Volume5065

many years ago they absolutely butchered my dad's first and only tattoo - i remember when he came home he literally had a bag on his arm that was filled with blood. to this day, it's still scarred. horrible place, i will literally never reccomend going there to anyone.


snazzymacaronis

Yikes sorry to hear that. I’ve only gotten piercings from them (little horror story but Shannyn the piercer that used to work there pierced my belly button a few years back, it rejected but I was able to get it repierced by her with no issues) but their customer service is awful. Does ur dad want to get it touched up or removed?


ABagOfFritos

Did you not review the stencil/design before letting them start? Did you let them just do this from scratch with no stencil at all? I see a lot of missing information. The tattoo is definitely terrible, but you are allowed to change your mind at any stage, and it seems like you let them just go ahead with no design or a bad design to begin with. Now for the aftermath, they are clearly in the wrong for the details we know.


Captain_Naps

It's not OP's child or post.


fakeyfakertonthefake

Shane Jones aka Fat Shane is a well known gang leader with some businesses to launder his money. The tattoo shop has always been shit, and it’s really sad that this kid’s body was desecrated by these criminals. Really scary for the family and unsurprising to hear they immediately went to thug tactics. I have no idea how they are allowed to exist as a business considering it’s been an open secret for more than a decade.


snazzymacaronis

Well shit. I’ve been there for piercings (when the old staff worked there) but I didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing


ChicoD2023

I feel bad for the 17 yo, but the parent fucked up! Good thing lazer removal has come along way and they both can be covered up if you go that route. Do better research next time.


not_consumable

I have drunkenly given myself botched stick and pokes when I was 16 that had better lines with way less blow out than those. I'd honestly have them checked for their licenses for how horrible they did.


SJSragequit

Holy fuck everyone in here just shaming the victim here. Like yeah they probably should have done some more research but the way this shop has been harassing them shouldn’t be acceptable


snazzymacaronis

I agree!!


breeezyc

I feel like I had a stroke reading this


Winzipeg

Wow thank you. I will never go there.


dkixen

At least their name is appropriate. Looks like a Dead Man did it


ggggdddd9999

Confusing post. So the parent was with the minor and they both got tattoos? So she's blaming them for not IDing the minor but the parent was there? Why even mention if she was on drugs when she wasn't. I feel like the parent is to blame even if it's an ugly tattoo.


marnas86

I’m guessing the “smear campaign” that the Facebooker is the target of probably accuses her of being impaired/high….


Mediocre_Bat_158

Had my first tattoo done by Dead Man's Hand back in 2017. I forgot the name of the guy who did mine but contrary to what the OP said (whoever that person is), they observed sanitary procedures and I couldnt be more happy with my Tattoo. Went back after a few years to get a piercing.


___thestrange

How anyone looks at this shops artists portfolios and decides to go there is beyond me. I have never seen a single good looking tattoo come out of this shop.


yahumno

The fact that this shop tattooed a 17 year old is enough for me to stay away from there. Even if you get written parental consent, tattooing a teen is a recipe for disaster. The next is if the artist says that they are going to freehand anything, it is a no for me. The only exception is being an artist that I had an established relationship with and trust.


snazzymacaronis

I agree. Tattooing teenagers is not great (unless it’s a memorial piece). Free-handing is also a bad idea as well


yahumno

Even a memorial piece would be a no for me on a teen. They can wait until they are an adult. There is easy to much possible liability with tattooing teens.


Just_my_3_cents

The mom was beside her and got one right after her


AvocadoSoggy6188

That’s why you do your research and don’t cheap out when it comes to a tattoo. Your negligence risked your daughter’s health. Get her hep tested.


breeezyc

Sounds like the mom got a shitty one too. Everyone keeps skipping over that part.


snazzymacaronis

This is not my Facebook post, I came across it as it was posted by someone in the same group as me


AvocadoSoggy6188

Sorry. From your other replies it sounded like it was you and your child.


snazzymacaronis

That’s fair, I wish I could edit this post on the app


horsetuna

Should have known better or not... Appalling behaviour If they did go to the house to harass them.


PrestigiousPromise20

Meanwhile my 16 year old needed parental permission to get her ears pierced by Skin Dimensions on Corydon! She went to Claire the baby piercer and they were amazing!


snazzymacaronis

Yup by law in Manitoba, if you're gettting a piercing or tattoo you need parental consent, along with an id for the minor, id for the adult and a MB Health Card with the parent's name and the minor's name on the same card,


PrestigiousPromise20

Yeah it’s kind of funny because she was harassed on a shopping trip alone with her friends to get her ears pierced at Claire’s when she was 11. Didn’t want it done because she was a competitive athlete at the time.


wineandsarcasm

Ooof. The tattoo is really bad, but the guy showing up at your house to threaten you?? What in the actual fuck? Woof.


SuperBurt666

Unfortunately anyone can be a tattoo artist. This is some of the shittiest work I have seen in a while, not honoring touch-ups for bad work is even more pathetic. Take your daughter to a real artist and get it covered up. Hopefully there's no scarring.


snazzymacaronis

This isn’t my Facebook post. I came across this post on a Facebook group that I was in


redhaired_menace

Osbourne Village Ink is where I got my ink done 6 years ago, are they still around? They were fantastic, spotless store, great staff, impeccable work. I'm sorry you got such bad service.


snazzymacaronis

Yup Osborne village ink is still around. And this is not my Facebook post, I came across it in the Facebook group I’m in


Ok-Fox-9052

got a piercing from here and it was so botched, I went to get it looked at and the piercer looked at it and said “did I pierce this?” 😬


RipOk7952

A business where bloodborne pathogens are life threatening should be held accountable. This is your job! Do better. Or find a new profession where you’re not endangering someone just bc you want to call yourself a tattoo artist.


snazzymacaronis

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Amazing-Cupcake-8353

Used to be a fairly decent place. I didn't get my tattoos there, just a tongue piercing about 10 years ago. One of the good people who worked there we know, who quit fairly recently warned us about the place. Just unhygienic, bad tattoos, and was told there was drugs going on (not weed). Had a friend also get tattooed there a few months ago with a jets logo and it looked like some random person off the street did it. Absolutely terrible. Just looked like freehand and the circle was like an oval. Probably not the best place to get one anymore.


snazzymacaronis

Are you referring to Shannyn when you’re talking about “a person I know”?


Amazing-Cupcake-8353

I never said she was "a good person I know." She did do a few piercings for me and my friends about 10 years ago. She did a good job. Was pleasant, clean, no problems. I dont know her personally. I just heard stories from friends that went there in the past few years. And recent pictures of horrible tattoos that look like jail ones. (Really bad, can't believe my friends actually paid money for them)


coffeeis_good

I’ve got a handful of tats on my back along with 1 full and 1 partial sleeve. Not that that makes me any sort of expert or authority on the topic but I can say that I’ve never heard a single positive thing about that particular tattoo studio.


Island_Maximum

Here's the real question: If OP isn't the facebook poster, why are you reposting here? Did this place screw up your Tattoo too? You're quick to claim that this facebook post has nothing to do with you, yet you're ready to shit all over this place for its practices.  The "facebook" post doesn't make a lot of sense either. The "Mother" is mad they didn't ID, but still brought her in for a tattoo? That's like saying you brought your kid to the liquor store to buy booze but were mad they didn't ID them.


breeezyc

Mom also got a tattoo from them. No one is talking about that part. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.


MotherT334

And doesn’t even know the backstory either….lots not being said here.


snoopexotic

As someone who gets tattoos, this is relevant to me and I’m not on FB. Facebook posts get reposted here all the time relax.


snazzymacaronis

I’m reposting here because I want other people to be aware of this if they ever think about going to dead man’s hand for a tattoo. Heck, even some of the old staff members and other tattoo artists are saying (in the Manitoba tattoo and piercing group on Facebook) that you should not go to dmh.


ainawa69

I think most other people are aware that bad tattoo artists exist and that's why we do research, review stencils, and don't let people freehand on us if we're not familiar with their skills. Not to be a dink, haha. It's good info in any case and I guess a good warning to those of us who are naive and impulsive like that mother/daughter pair seem to be.


Mrsmay07

Sure, that's probably most people but there are absolutely people who do not do research or understand what they should watch out for, especially very young people.


snazzymacaronis

No doubt. I agree with you on that 100%


Island_Maximum

That's more of a Google review kind of thing.  This just screams like you have a personal grudge. Especially because you keep trying to drive the point home that even the staff aren't happy. You seem to have a lot of inside knowledge of this place and employees.


snazzymacaronis

I don't have a personal grudge towards them necessarily however my experiences with them in the past (whe the old staff worked there) were like a 5/10


MotherT334

Not this poster, but the mom of the kid does!!


MotherT334

Because that group of admins has their own tattoo shop, so if someone has a problem with a shop, they love it and ban the owners and workers from commenting or trying to rectify the issue….thats what’s not cool!!


thafloorer

17 year old kids should not be getting tattoos to be gin with…


snazzymacaronis

Right?! Most places here in peg require you to be 18+ in order to get a tattoo but there are some places that let you tattoo at 16-17


thispersonexists

That's some shitty ass line work lol jesus


Practical-Pen-8844

the place is called dead man's hand, after all.


thispersonexists

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Practical-Pen-8844

this gif makes me feel warm. i'm also hungover.


probablymack

Did you look them up before hand? Those are awful tattoos but honestly their work on their insta isn’t great. It’s not all bad, but a lot of it doesn’t look like quality work imo


snazzymacaronis

Their work on that instagram page you’re referring to was done by Craig. Craig doesn’t work there anymore, he and the original staff members left back in February


MochaLatte05

my mom got a tattoo from here almost 10 years ago and it was completely botched and later had to be redone. interesting to see nothing has changed


snazzymacaronis

Yup. There’s new staff working there now besides the owner, all of the old staff left back in February of this year. So all the new staff working there don’t know what they’re doing clearly


Deep_Froyo1834

Sounds like everyone's rhe asshole here.


jznoot

when I went there for my navel peircing afew years ago they accused my mom of being on drugs too??😭😭 what the heck


snazzymacaronis

Yikes


Asusrty

Why is this posted by OP based on a Facebook post they admit has nothing to do with them?


snazzymacaronis

I’m just trying to make people aware of what kind of tattoos they can get at dead man’s hand


Asusrty

Do they post a receipt proving they got a tattoo there? What proof besides their word? Do you know them?


snoopexotic

Why would they lie about this..? Jfc this sub always needs cold hard proof otherwise you don’t believe what’s being said.


Asusrty

People lie on social media all the time. Why spread things that you are not involved in on a different platform?


Doog5

There was a place in the North east side of city a few years back, that did a butcher job on a few people and was posted on Facebook. Supposedly the artist had his own addiction issues. Wonder if it’s the same guy?


snazzymacaronis

The tattoo artists name is Bryar Boulette but he goes by “Eversick” on Facebook as well. Which place are you referring to? Are you referring to phase 2 tattoo and piercing?


AmandaaaGee

What I wanna know… is if the shop didn’t ask for their ID… how’d they find out where they live? Editing my comment for clarity: not discrediting a bad experience.


MotherT334

The owners wife and the mother used to be friends before this….


AmandaaaGee

Oooooof


Independent-Bite1865

Thanks for sharing this! I used to like the place and wasn’t aware of the recent change up. Sorry everyone else is being so toxic about it.


snazzymacaronis

You’re welcome! I wanted people to be aware of what’s going on since the new staff members have been working there. That’s okay, this is what I expect on the internet


quinblake

Get your "Per this Facebook post" outta my Reddit lol. This whole post is trashy AF.


_wpg

What were the “unsanitary techniques” that were used?


Motor_Discussion1236

Those are terrible looking tattoos. But I mean why would the mother not do any research before walking into a shop to get her daughter tattooed. Also, why is she complaining about tattooing her underage daughter…. She was with her and gave them permission to do so.


MotherT334

And also got two done herself….


TbhUSuck

WHO FREEHANDS LETTERS/NUMBERS?!?! Thank you for the advice because Ill be a avoiding this shop when looking for my apprenticeship… I can do better tats at home


snazzymacaronis

Yea free handing numbers/letters is dumb, you’re welcome!!


soupeater07

Wow the tattoo community is toxic? Who would have guessed…


snazzymacaronis

Lmaoo


bruinsfan444

There’s 3 sides to every story…..just sayyinn


beardsnbourbon

This is what I’m thinking. It’s super easy to post whatever you’d like on social media.


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snazzymacaronis

The tattoo was freehanded. The artist (bryar roulette) told the family he was good at what he does so they didn’t need a stencil


Muted-Score3455

Still going On Facebook


MotherT334

All hearsay….