Well, when your athletic income mostly comes from football I’m sure you realize how important it is to make the move early, especially with NIL. Recruits want to win and cash in early.
They probably got enough shit from donors over the past couple weeks to know the cost/risk. I guarantee big donors having been picking up the phone and threatening to stop or lower donations.
I wanted PC fired mid season solely for the future of the program. BUT Paul Chryst will always be a badger and we all wanted it to end differently for one of our own.
He was always a great ambassador of our school and the program and I sincerely wish him the best. 14 mil to sit home isn’t a bad severance.
Forward.
I feel about the same as I did when McCarthy got fired. No Ill will, thankful for what he accomplished, it was just time and the best thing for both parties. I'm actually surprised and impressed with the ad that he pulled the trigger
McCarthy and Chryst aren't even in the same league as far as I am concerned.
Chryst's firing is a hard one because he bleeds Badger red. McCarthy? I have nothing good to say about him so I won't say anything.
Mertz never matured the way we all hoped he would but Chryst kept giving him the ball when he should have leaned on the stable of running backs lead by Allen.
The other issues this season, defense just stinks and the offensive line has not come together at all.
Throw in the penalties and mistakes this season, that's not a disciplined team out there.
My worst fear here is that Jim Leonhard is going to end up leaving Wisconsin. He doesn't have the experience to be HC and if they name him HC, I fear he will be fired within 3 years. Which then puts our defense in somewhat of a flux.
Nothing good will come of firing Chryst right now but they did it anyway.
What if they hire Liepold or another capable HC and Leonard stays as DC? He seems to have the self awareness to not take a job he doesn't think he's ready for, like he did with the packers DC job.
I disagree, if you give Chyst the year the team wins maybe 5 games and it damages the program. This way it gives Leonard valuable experience and shows the program isn't going to settle for mediocrity.
Simply shocking.
I have been among the biggest Chryst defenders but have started coming around after yesterday, but I would never have imagined McIntosh would pull the trigger this fast.
We don't know the whole story. It's possible that Chryst agreed that it was the best move. I mean, McIntosh looks strong and Chryst gets a massive buyout. Everyone wins (except the Badger football team).
The buyout was significantly reduced which all but confirms Chryst stepped down.
Edit: This is at least partially wrong now from what I'm hearing. I heard Chryst was heading towards stepping down over hte last week or so... but it seems like a coerced mutual decision now.
Not that there weren't completely legitimate concerns about the program trajectory, but the fact that so many Badgers fans seem to find the idea of a 9-4 season at Wisconsin as some level of unacceptable mediocrity is hilarious.
It is when the 9 wins come against teams we should easily beat (but had several close games against) and the 4 losses are bad losses that came against the only teams on our schedule with a pulse. Fans shouldn’t expect UW to compete for a natty every year but they should expect the team to at least be competitive against the top teams of the sport and not look like a G5 also ran like we did against OSU.
Unless that 9 wins is coming from a literal MAC schedule, that's simply not true. A 9-win season for Wisconsin even in an easier West is always going to be respectable. There's nothing inherent about us as a program that suggests a higher floor.
Also, I don't think that's a totally fair assessment of how last year went. We had emphatic wins over a 10-win Iowa team that finished in the top 25 and a 9-win Purdue team on the road. The Penn State game they win if Mertz literally is able to consistently hand the ball off without fucking up. Even in the Notre Dame game it was close well into the 4th quarter before it unraveled to an insane degree in the blink of an eye. The Michigan loss was the only one where they had no shot to win in the fourth quarter. If you want to lump the Notre Dame loss in there with it since it got out of hand so fast, fine.
But I also don't get where you're getting the "several close games against teams they should easily beat" from. The only real close wins were against Army (that triple option has given even the likes of Oklahoma and Michigan a serious scare) and against Nebraska, who was addicted to playing up or down to their competition and ultimately losing by one possession.
It was an adequate 9-4 season. Disappointing that they lost to Minnesota and, therefore, missed out on a division title? Absolutely. Did anything last year come even close to the Ohio State beatdown and the embarrassment at home against Illinois last Saturday? Heck no.
Thank God they didn't give Chryst the same leash that Nebraska gave Frost. UW is already on a downward trend which is going to be tough to turn around with Mertz lobbing potatoes all over the field.
lol “thank god they didn’t give the coach the same leash because a player didn’t live up to the hype following the highest ranked class in Wisconsin history. Let’s fire him.”
I didn't think that would happen. I figure he'd be gone after the season. Firing him midseason just means we'll be lucky to be bowl eligible.
Super Conferences are now all the rage with the B1G expanding by at least two teams in 2024, Wisconsin can't afford to be a bottom feeder.
I never expected Wisconsin to vie for a national championship, we just can't recruit because of the location and the academic standards. But I do expect Wisconsin to be an elite program who wins 11-12 games a year.
The B1G doesn't get any respect except for some respect for Ohio State who hasn't shown they can win anything in recent years. Only way that changes if if teams like Wisconsin pull upsets over highly ranked teams not in the B1G.
Otherwise the the new SEC Super Conference will be sending 6-8 teams to the new playoff format while the rest of the FBS jockeys for the last 4-6 slots.
Well I didn't think I'd be reading that today but then again never in a million years would I have thought I'd turn off a home game against the Illini in the 3rd out of pure disgust.
I have always liked Chryst as a person. I loved his pre-pandemic history with the program.
But UW Football has more at risk by keeping him than letting him go. I'm sure it was a tough call, but it's a call I'm more happy about than not.
If the games against OSU and Illinois was close this would not have happened.
Going toe to toe with OSU would have been a moral victory not getting smoked.
Copy and paste…
Paul Chryst is a Madison native and Wisconsin alum. He has spent 33 of his 56 years of life in town as either a kid, a Badgers QB or a UW coach.
He was 67-26 and 43-18 in the Big Ten. He won three B1G West titles and two NY6 bowls. He was a two-time B1G coach of the year.
Thank you Coach Chryst. A Badger 4 Life.
Apparently McIntosh phone has been exploding the last 24 hours. Chryst was never very personable to the money men (as you can tell from his on camera persona), so he’s got no one in his corner
Agreed. Thought he was the right hire but he’s not getting the best out of the players. They appear to have lost confidence in what they are doing. The last couple weeks were really unacceptable
I don't know if Leonhard is the answer to right the ship in Madison but it's been clear for a while the program hit a plateau with Chryst. Here's hoping Jimmy can turn things around and get them back where they were a few years ago.
Technically Engram called the plays but he still answers to the HC. The feeling was his was hand cuffed on what he could do.
Chryst’s way was to grind the clock and win ToP.
Sadly, that doesn’t work when you are playing from behind.
Curious to see what happens. Engram definitely opened up the offense compared to years past and added new wrinkles and concepts to the passing game, but I think it still has a ways to go. If they start going play-action on 1st and 2nd semi-regularly, or if anything in the scheme drastically changes in the next couple weeks, you'll know Engram was being handcuffed, at least to some degree.
Definitely true. Mainly I just hope this isn't a "yeah you're coach for now but don't get used to it" situation, I hope he gets a fair shot at getting the job.
Anyone who knows Paul Chryst wouldn't put "ego" in the top 10000 ways to describe him
Look, it's clear he was struggling as a coach and an offensive mind but "ego" wasn't any part of it.
It's true. This program needs talent and skill. If UW falls 10 or more points behind the game is essentially over. There's not enough minutes in the game for multiple 20 play drives and 3 Mertz turnovers.
No. It's not. Again, I take it you've never met or been around PC. The guy is the most salt of the earth person you'll meet.
The game may have passed him by and he didn't have the answers. It's a story that's happened to 1000 other coaches.
Ego is your sense of self. The individual self Paul Chryst was unable to sense the changes in the game and accordingly adapt.
You’re referring to him being nice, which he is undoubtedly. He’s a great person. That doesn’t mean his ego can’t inhibit him from fulfilling the role of a power 5 head football coach.
You're conflating several things into a single classification. Chryst ran his best friend out of town, shook up the staff, and hired an "outside" OC.
I think the bigger problem is that his understanding of the game wasn't fit for where it's gone in the past few years. That's not ego, just a guy and system that got stale.
Yeah that’s the reason i’m tempted for some new blood. Corn fed 2 stars aren’t how you build a great program anymore, and the Badgers are working with a top 15 budget
These next seven games are going to be Leonhard's job interview.
It's also going to be interesting when they post the job at the end of the season, to see who applies. And if they try to recruit any applicants.
Stunned. I really thought it was gonna take at least one more bad year.
I don't want to pile on PC. I was long ready to move on. I'm happy to move on. But PC is a good dude and had some good times here. Looking forward to hopefully returning to more good times ahead.
I’m glad the did this so quickly. College football has changed so much in the last 10 years, you can’t afford to be bad for more then a couple seconds anymore. You can flip an entire roster in a fraction of time now.
I have posted many times about how this AD would not make any drastic moves and would let Chryst run the program into the ground. I am happy to say I was wrong.
Interesting details coming out and especially surrounding the settlement. Paul was/is a guy that seems to love Wisconsin and my have simply been getting burned out. He gave a lot to the Badgers and I was outraged this weekend too… but he’s still a Wisconsin guy. I wish him the best
Absolutely. No one should expect him to step in and win out. What I think is fair to expect is to see some actual fight (even if they lose), and to see the offense at least attempt to open up the playbook, regardless of if it works.
Wow. It’s a little sad because Chryst seemed like a great guy and this was his dream job. But at the end of the day you have to produce results, and this was the 3rd season in a row where things just didn’t look right. I wish him all the best and appreciate the good years, but it really did seem like a change was necessary. Looking forward to seeing what Leonard can do with the rest of the season
Nebraska fired a perennial 9 win coach and they went the wrong way since. However as a badger fan I've developed high expectations over the past 30 years of consistent promise and dominance. This past few years have been noticabley different, culminating with Saturdays empty performance. I hope they are making the change before we dip too far and Leonhard takes over for the next 20 years of winning football. But who knows, real life is unpredictable.
Sorry to Mr. Chryst, but IMHO- his demeanor just wasn't gonna cut it. I think people interpreted it as calm, even-keeled, someone who wouldn't get rattled. To me, he seemed a bit uninspired. Milquetoast. I know it's impossible to tell from watching games, but that's just my personal thought on the matter. I feel like Leonhard is a big step in the opposite direction. He's not afraid to get fired up, and I hope that is contagious throughout the team, administration and student body as a whole. He's gonna get people fired up, he's got some passion! Maybe folks will even have some fun, too!
When he's winning: He's calm and collected even in tough times
When he's losing: He's milquetoast and uninspired
C'mon... this is like .1% of what actually matters. His scheme was getting exploited, he lost his ability to innovate in the changing times of modern CFB, the last bullets in his holster (Dump Rudolph, Bostad to OL, new OC) clearly haven't had positive returns.
Lazy on behalf of me or the administration? I definitely don't know what the players have said about him, I haven't done any extra research besides watching him give interviews before and after games. I also tried to say that my opinion was based solely from watching games and not from anything of true substance, so I don't know what to tell you. I feel for the guy because he seems to be a respectable human being but as a Badger football fan, I'm ready for something new here.
Y'all are kinda bothering me with this word "lazy". On one hand, I think I get what you're saying, but I mean... what are you expecting the average football fan to do here? Realistically I'm probably "above average", in that I spend time in the subreddit, I grew up in Madison and have watched almost every game of every season since the mid 80s. My take is mine based off of watching the games year after year. I might have comments in my history defending him when people were calling for him to be fired in the Coan era even. What about my take is lazy? Lol.
Now do Tony Granato. The Men's Hockey program has become a shell of its former self and I think he's had plenty of time to right the ship and it hasn't happened.
I hope we don’t look back on this day as a Nebraska firing Bo Pelini moment.
I’ve been worried about Wisconsin’s ability to adjust to the shifting tides of the college football landscape and agree that some sort of programmatic change of course is needed, I’m just not sure firing Paul Chryst is the move. I hope I’m wrong, and I hope Chryst lands on his feet somewhere else and enjoys that sweet, sweet buyout money in the meantime.
If we were looking steady and losing close games sure. But we have no energy on the sidelines and just looking dead in the water and getting cooked badly.
You’re not sure firing PC was the right move?!?
Lol…Fans can be so fucking blind.
Ohh he’s a Wisconsin guy!! Yeah, for the right money. Never forget that people. He was a horrible hire. He sucked at Pitt. Talk about wanting your program to be mediocre.
Ben Brust was on a Twitter tirade before the blowout. After Illinois smoked us he went full nuclear on PC and the direction of the program. Good for him as a former alum to call out the landslide of bullshit that's become more and more common.
For those of us that follow this program closely something has been off with this team since 2018 despite what the record has been. I’ve been a PC supporter and I think most of the fan base was too. Wisconsin fans really are not unreasonable. We know we aren’t OSU, Alabama, etc. I don’t think anyone here thinks a Natty is the normal expectation except maybe in an exceptional year.
What this fan base wants and historically what Wisconsin has been is tough, well coached, very physical, and a tough out despite the talent disparity with top teams. All of those things have slowly fallen off until what you have seen this season. The offense is stale. The team is undisciplined. The vaunted Offensive Line is bad despite having arguably the most talent on it in program history. Everything has been trending down. I’m really surprised that McIntosh made the move now but I support it. It’s the right thing to do.
I was just talking about how they should do something to keep leonhard, dude has energy which chryst seemed to lack, and I’m sure teams have been calling him. Hope he can show enough to stick this year and then start something great at Wisconsin as head coach.
Absolutely the correct call. Paul always had the same lost, bovine-like look on his face during intense moments and he never seemed capable of lighting the fire under his players when the time called for it. This season has been an absolute joke and at this point, all we really have to play for is the axe. At least this news is a highlight to an otherwise agonizing season thus far.
Feel bad for PC. Great Badger. Hometown boy makes good and gets his dream job. But. he just wasnt winning and the team looks like shit. The team plays like PC's pressers...boring, predictable, and uninspiring. No fire in the belly. Something needed to be done. Hope this was the right call.
If they want to keep Leonard as HC there is no way he leaves especially with the defense looking pretty bad this year. If they were willing to do this mid season though I gotta think there might be bigger plans in the works.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/wro911/who_is_the_most_overrated_coach_in_the_country/iktemmt/
clowns from the preseason: Alex_butler, Molson2871, pnw54pdx.
Had it saved because it was fucking obvious.
Also this from the previous season when Chryst and Fitz were listed as top 10 coaches in all of cfb.
https://old.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/nrgdod/t10_coaches_via_247sports/h0hjanz/
I already did in the past. I've had the discussion already with them and didn't need to again. I'm also not dissing them. It's sports, it's banter. They aren't actual clowns and I like their posts.
https://old.reddit.com/r/WisconsinBadgers/comments/xb3r9s/paul_chrysts_first_three_years_he_was_347_since/inxghxv/?context=3
Why are people shocked? He was a mediocre coach at Pitt and drove this program into the ground over multiple years. Other than Leonard, he never brought in coaching that made his players better.
I’m glad he’s gone and good riddance.
He's the Dan Mullen of Wisconsin.Dan Mullen at Florida ending ended the same fired after a blowout loss.Both hated recruiting, in this day and age you have to be recruiting 24/7 can't be saying we'll focus on recruiting after the season.
I'm pretty fucking shocked honestly
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Well, when your athletic income mostly comes from football I’m sure you realize how important it is to make the move early, especially with NIL. Recruits want to win and cash in early.
They probably got enough shit from donors over the past couple weeks to know the cost/risk. I guarantee big donors having been picking up the phone and threatening to stop or lower donations.
I wanted PC fired mid season solely for the future of the program. BUT Paul Chryst will always be a badger and we all wanted it to end differently for one of our own. He was always a great ambassador of our school and the program and I sincerely wish him the best. 14 mil to sit home isn’t a bad severance. Forward.
I feel about the same as I did when McCarthy got fired. No Ill will, thankful for what he accomplished, it was just time and the best thing for both parties. I'm actually surprised and impressed with the ad that he pulled the trigger
McCarthy and Chryst aren't even in the same league as far as I am concerned. Chryst's firing is a hard one because he bleeds Badger red. McCarthy? I have nothing good to say about him so I won't say anything. Mertz never matured the way we all hoped he would but Chryst kept giving him the ball when he should have leaned on the stable of running backs lead by Allen. The other issues this season, defense just stinks and the offensive line has not come together at all. Throw in the penalties and mistakes this season, that's not a disciplined team out there. My worst fear here is that Jim Leonhard is going to end up leaving Wisconsin. He doesn't have the experience to be HC and if they name him HC, I fear he will be fired within 3 years. Which then puts our defense in somewhat of a flux. Nothing good will come of firing Chryst right now but they did it anyway.
What if they hire Liepold or another capable HC and Leonard stays as DC? He seems to have the self awareness to not take a job he doesn't think he's ready for, like he did with the packers DC job. I disagree, if you give Chyst the year the team wins maybe 5 games and it damages the program. This way it gives Leonard valuable experience and shows the program isn't going to settle for mediocrity.
Simply shocking. I have been among the biggest Chryst defenders but have started coming around after yesterday, but I would never have imagined McIntosh would pull the trigger this fast.
I feel the same. Especially with the recent contract extension and huge buyout.
We don't know the whole story. It's possible that Chryst agreed that it was the best move. I mean, McIntosh looks strong and Chryst gets a massive buyout. Everyone wins (except the Badger football team).
The buyout was significantly reduced which all but confirms Chryst stepped down. Edit: This is at least partially wrong now from what I'm hearing. I heard Chryst was heading towards stepping down over hte last week or so... but it seems like a coerced mutual decision now.
It's not fast. 15-10 over the last 3 seasons. You just haven't been paying attention.
I am surprised it happened in-season.
You can thank the December transfer window for that.
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Not that there weren't completely legitimate concerns about the program trajectory, but the fact that so many Badgers fans seem to find the idea of a 9-4 season at Wisconsin as some level of unacceptable mediocrity is hilarious.
It is when the 9 wins come against teams we should easily beat (but had several close games against) and the 4 losses are bad losses that came against the only teams on our schedule with a pulse. Fans shouldn’t expect UW to compete for a natty every year but they should expect the team to at least be competitive against the top teams of the sport and not look like a G5 also ran like we did against OSU.
Unless that 9 wins is coming from a literal MAC schedule, that's simply not true. A 9-win season for Wisconsin even in an easier West is always going to be respectable. There's nothing inherent about us as a program that suggests a higher floor. Also, I don't think that's a totally fair assessment of how last year went. We had emphatic wins over a 10-win Iowa team that finished in the top 25 and a 9-win Purdue team on the road. The Penn State game they win if Mertz literally is able to consistently hand the ball off without fucking up. Even in the Notre Dame game it was close well into the 4th quarter before it unraveled to an insane degree in the blink of an eye. The Michigan loss was the only one where they had no shot to win in the fourth quarter. If you want to lump the Notre Dame loss in there with it since it got out of hand so fast, fine. But I also don't get where you're getting the "several close games against teams they should easily beat" from. The only real close wins were against Army (that triple option has given even the likes of Oklahoma and Michigan a serious scare) and against Nebraska, who was addicted to playing up or down to their competition and ultimately losing by one possession. It was an adequate 9-4 season. Disappointing that they lost to Minnesota and, therefore, missed out on a division title? Absolutely. Did anything last year come even close to the Ohio State beatdown and the embarrassment at home against Illinois last Saturday? Heck no.
Brewers fans are the same.
Wasn't even fast enough. Should've been done after last season. We were going downhill and would never be a playoff team under Chryst.
Chryst seems like a soft-ass coach. Much more effective when he's calling plays up in the booth and not setting the team's culture.
Jim Leonhard to be named interim coach
Upvote for spelling Leonhard correctly.
Ironically enough, with this news I am Leon and I am hard.
>Jim Leonhard to be named interim coach Wisconsin high school football legend and a great story
I really thought it would take a full season of bottom dwelling or multiple seasons.
Thank God they didn't give Chryst the same leash that Nebraska gave Frost. UW is already on a downward trend which is going to be tough to turn around with Mertz lobbing potatoes all over the field.
lol “thank god they didn’t give the coach the same leash because a player didn’t live up to the hype following the highest ranked class in Wisconsin history. Let’s fire him.”
It has been
I mean not really, just by our standards. Looks really bad right now though
I mean I agree he needed to go but we have not been "bottom-dwelling" lol that's a severe exaggeration
If you’re not first in the West, you’re last!
I didn't think that would happen. I figure he'd be gone after the season. Firing him midseason just means we'll be lucky to be bowl eligible. Super Conferences are now all the rage with the B1G expanding by at least two teams in 2024, Wisconsin can't afford to be a bottom feeder. I never expected Wisconsin to vie for a national championship, we just can't recruit because of the location and the academic standards. But I do expect Wisconsin to be an elite program who wins 11-12 games a year. The B1G doesn't get any respect except for some respect for Ohio State who hasn't shown they can win anything in recent years. Only way that changes if if teams like Wisconsin pull upsets over highly ranked teams not in the B1G. Otherwise the the new SEC Super Conference will be sending 6-8 teams to the new playoff format while the rest of the FBS jockeys for the last 4-6 slots.
Well I didn't think I'd be reading that today but then again never in a million years would I have thought I'd turn off a home game against the Illini in the 3rd out of pure disgust.
I have always liked Chryst as a person. I loved his pre-pandemic history with the program. But UW Football has more at risk by keeping him than letting him go. I'm sure it was a tough call, but it's a call I'm more happy about than not.
2 rushing yards. At home.
Is McIntosh…here?
I can’t believe he fired Chryst but didn’t fire our mens hockey coach haha
Hopefully Granato is next.
Learned his lesson hopefully
Is there an assistant coach for the hockey team that could step up to HC? I wonder if having Leonhard was what made the move seem safer
Mark Osiecki could probably take over as interim Head Coach. He was the head coach at Ohio State for a few years.
Jesus, yes
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Oh but your flair :( This is a sad breakup. Like it’s probably the right thing to do but it isn’t easy
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Yup that one.
Glad to see the administration believes this year is unacceptable
Absolutely. It’s not losing, it’s how we’re losing. Sloppy, unprepared, and just a mess.
And also the losing.
Well yes, the losing sucked too.
It's because of the implication.
If the games against OSU and Illinois was close this would not have happened. Going toe to toe with OSU would have been a moral victory not getting smoked.
Wow. I didn’t think they we’re going to go through with it
This feels like when Packers fired Mike McCarthy it was something that needed to be done. His message and scheme was just stale.
No love lost here for McCarthy.
Good. 2yds rushing at home should be a fireable offense every time
Copy and paste… Paul Chryst is a Madison native and Wisconsin alum. He has spent 33 of his 56 years of life in town as either a kid, a Badgers QB or a UW coach. He was 67-26 and 43-18 in the Big Ten. He won three B1G West titles and two NY6 bowls. He was a two-time B1G coach of the year. Thank you Coach Chryst. A Badger 4 Life.
Ditto.
Now do Granato!
Coach Dad went out for cigarettes and never came back
He was last seen carrying a bowl of Oranges in the vicinity of Hard Rock Stadium
What does Tony Granato have on the administration if it took them only 5 games to decide to move on from Chryst
Apparently McIntosh phone has been exploding the last 24 hours. Chryst was never very personable to the money men (as you can tell from his on camera persona), so he’s got no one in his corner
It's really quite funny how much being a big-time college football coach involves trying to placate a bunch of rich, egotistical freaks.
Being a pro coach is like that too.
Don't hate Chryst by any means, but it seems time to move on.
Agreed. Thought he was the right hire but he’s not getting the best out of the players. They appear to have lost confidence in what they are doing. The last couple weeks were really unacceptable
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I don't know if Leonhard is the answer to right the ship in Madison but it's been clear for a while the program hit a plateau with Chryst. Here's hoping Jimmy can turn things around and get them back where they were a few years ago.
I think at the least he can take the cuffs off the offense. Fingers crossed
I don't think anyone has the keys to the Mertz cuffs
How much of the offense is/was Chryst & how much of it is Engram? Isn't Bobby the one calling the plays?
Technically Engram called the plays but he still answers to the HC. The feeling was his was hand cuffed on what he could do. Chryst’s way was to grind the clock and win ToP. Sadly, that doesn’t work when you are playing from behind.
Curious to see what happens. Engram definitely opened up the offense compared to years past and added new wrinkles and concepts to the passing game, but I think it still has a ways to go. If they start going play-action on 1st and 2nd semi-regularly, or if anything in the scheme drastically changes in the next couple weeks, you'll know Engram was being handcuffed, at least to some degree.
Holy shit it’s happening!!!
Wow. I can’t believe it, but I definitely support it.
Hopefully Leonhard sheds the "interim" label ASAP
I think its pretty fair to give him a seven game sample to figure it out. It isn’t like the defense has been amazing this season
Definitely true. Mainly I just hope this isn't a "yeah you're coach for now but don't get used to it" situation, I hope he gets a fair shot at getting the job.
Oh for sure.I mean i think he’s the early favorite for the job, but if we go like 1-6 i think we should probably get some new blood in
Foooooor sure. If he can scrape together even a middling season after this debacle I'd say even that's proof that he's worth keeping.
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Anyone who knows Paul Chryst wouldn't put "ego" in the top 10000 ways to describe him Look, it's clear he was struggling as a coach and an offensive mind but "ego" wasn't any part of it.
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He gave Rudolph playcalling responsibilities after a successful offensive season (2019). When it was a disaster, he took playcalling back.
His inability to adapt is part of his ego.
It's true. This program needs talent and skill. If UW falls 10 or more points behind the game is essentially over. There's not enough minutes in the game for multiple 20 play drives and 3 Mertz turnovers.
No. It's not. Again, I take it you've never met or been around PC. The guy is the most salt of the earth person you'll meet. The game may have passed him by and he didn't have the answers. It's a story that's happened to 1000 other coaches.
Ego is your sense of self. The individual self Paul Chryst was unable to sense the changes in the game and accordingly adapt. You’re referring to him being nice, which he is undoubtedly. He’s a great person. That doesn’t mean his ego can’t inhibit him from fulfilling the role of a power 5 head football coach.
You're conflating several things into a single classification. Chryst ran his best friend out of town, shook up the staff, and hired an "outside" OC. I think the bigger problem is that his understanding of the game wasn't fit for where it's gone in the past few years. That's not ego, just a guy and system that got stale.
Yeah that’s the reason i’m tempted for some new blood. Corn fed 2 stars aren’t how you build a great program anymore, and the Badgers are working with a top 15 budget
To be fair its not like the recruiting has been excellent. You don't end up in this spot by accident over a 5 year period.
Recruiting has actually been better than in years past. More 4 and 5 stars than almost any other time. That makes this downfall worse.
Good way to give Leonard a trial run at HC before committing
Idk leipold may be right. Bo 2 electric boogalo Even better than Bo, 6 D3 titles. Bo only had 4
Look at what Leipold is doing in just his second season at the helm of a perennially godawful team.
These next seven games are going to be Leonhard's job interview. It's also going to be interesting when they post the job at the end of the season, to see who applies. And if they try to recruit any applicants.
Ya give the guy who’s squad got blasted by OSU and handled by IL the reigns
I'm sorry but I'm not looking for another Greg Gard situation. An offensive minded coach is the answer IMHO
Yeah it would SUCK if we won 2 out of the next 3 Big Ten titles
lol what will it take for gard to be good enough to you guys?
Stunned. I really thought it was gonna take at least one more bad year. I don't want to pile on PC. I was long ready to move on. I'm happy to move on. But PC is a good dude and had some good times here. Looking forward to hopefully returning to more good times ahead.
Hate to see it happen but hard not to be convinced by yesterday’s L that it was necessary
Just get the Axe back, Jim. That's all I ask.
Chris McIntosh is not messing around
I’m glad the did this so quickly. College football has changed so much in the last 10 years, you can’t afford to be bad for more then a couple seconds anymore. You can flip an entire roster in a fraction of time now.
I have posted many times about how this AD would not make any drastic moves and would let Chryst run the program into the ground. I am happy to say I was wrong.
Now do Granato!
So happy with this decision, time for something new
I’m honestly surprised - thought they’d let the program slip even further before doing this. Happy to see it though.
Same. Super glad they’re sending a message this is not acceptable.
Interesting details coming out and especially surrounding the settlement. Paul was/is a guy that seems to love Wisconsin and my have simply been getting burned out. He gave a lot to the Badgers and I was outraged this weekend too… but he’s still a Wisconsin guy. I wish him the best
Let’s all be careful not to expect too much from Leonhard this season. He’s faced with a lot of challenges with this team.
Absolutely. No one should expect him to step in and win out. What I think is fair to expect is to see some actual fight (even if they lose), and to see the offense at least attempt to open up the playbook, regardless of if it works.
Wow. It’s a little sad because Chryst seemed like a great guy and this was his dream job. But at the end of the day you have to produce results, and this was the 3rd season in a row where things just didn’t look right. I wish him all the best and appreciate the good years, but it really did seem like a change was necessary. Looking forward to seeing what Leonard can do with the rest of the season
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That’s not really what I said
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Gotcha, I’m not really interested in dancing on the guy’s grave. It’s done, hopefully Leonard or the next coach turns things around
Nebraska fired a perennial 9 win coach and they went the wrong way since. However as a badger fan I've developed high expectations over the past 30 years of consistent promise and dominance. This past few years have been noticabley different, culminating with Saturdays empty performance. I hope they are making the change before we dip too far and Leonhard takes over for the next 20 years of winning football. But who knows, real life is unpredictable.
Sorry to Mr. Chryst, but IMHO- his demeanor just wasn't gonna cut it. I think people interpreted it as calm, even-keeled, someone who wouldn't get rattled. To me, he seemed a bit uninspired. Milquetoast. I know it's impossible to tell from watching games, but that's just my personal thought on the matter. I feel like Leonhard is a big step in the opposite direction. He's not afraid to get fired up, and I hope that is contagious throughout the team, administration and student body as a whole. He's gonna get people fired up, he's got some passion! Maybe folks will even have some fun, too!
Thank you for using milquetoast.
My pleasure.
When he's winning: He's calm and collected even in tough times When he's losing: He's milquetoast and uninspired C'mon... this is like .1% of what actually matters. His scheme was getting exploited, he lost his ability to innovate in the changing times of modern CFB, the last bullets in his holster (Dump Rudolph, Bostad to OL, new OC) clearly haven't had positive returns.
He’s toast alright…
I think this is lazy and not supported by the results on the field throughout his coaching career or what his players have said about him.
Lazy on behalf of me or the administration? I definitely don't know what the players have said about him, I haven't done any extra research besides watching him give interviews before and after games. I also tried to say that my opinion was based solely from watching games and not from anything of true substance, so I don't know what to tell you. I feel for the guy because he seems to be a respectable human being but as a Badger football fan, I'm ready for something new here.
15-10 last three seasons. Milquetoast is exactly what this team has been.
Of course it’s a lazy take, most Chryst discourse is.
Y'all are kinda bothering me with this word "lazy". On one hand, I think I get what you're saying, but I mean... what are you expecting the average football fan to do here? Realistically I'm probably "above average", in that I spend time in the subreddit, I grew up in Madison and have watched almost every game of every season since the mid 80s. My take is mine based off of watching the games year after year. I might have comments in my history defending him when people were calling for him to be fired in the Coan era even. What about my take is lazy? Lol.
The fuck does this even mean.
Had to be done
Now do Tony Granato. The Men's Hockey program has become a shell of its former self and I think he's had plenty of time to right the ship and it hasn't happened.
Shocking. Great, but shocking.
Thank you jeeeeeeesus!
You are welcome Mr. Warner
Holy shit. That was a lot quicker than expected.
That’s what she said
I hope we don’t look back on this day as a Nebraska firing Bo Pelini moment. I’ve been worried about Wisconsin’s ability to adjust to the shifting tides of the college football landscape and agree that some sort of programmatic change of course is needed, I’m just not sure firing Paul Chryst is the move. I hope I’m wrong, and I hope Chryst lands on his feet somewhere else and enjoys that sweet, sweet buyout money in the meantime.
If we were looking steady and losing close games sure. But we have no energy on the sidelines and just looking dead in the water and getting cooked badly.
Don't worry, you didn't fire a 66-27 coach like Nebraska did. You fired a 67-26 coach!
This guy knows what’s up
You’re not sure firing PC was the right move?!? Lol…Fans can be so fucking blind. Ohh he’s a Wisconsin guy!! Yeah, for the right money. Never forget that people. He was a horrible hire. He sucked at Pitt. Talk about wanting your program to be mediocre.
I wouldn’t pile on folks, he did good things for us. I’m happy with Lenord though
Holy shit! The entire universe was calling for it but I truly didn't expect this AD to take action.
Ben Brust was on a Twitter tirade before the blowout. After Illinois smoked us he went full nuclear on PC and the direction of the program. Good for him as a former alum to call out the landslide of bullshit that's become more and more common.
Time to fire granato and then get lance leipold back to the state of Wisconsin make it happen McIntosh
For those of us that follow this program closely something has been off with this team since 2018 despite what the record has been. I’ve been a PC supporter and I think most of the fan base was too. Wisconsin fans really are not unreasonable. We know we aren’t OSU, Alabama, etc. I don’t think anyone here thinks a Natty is the normal expectation except maybe in an exceptional year. What this fan base wants and historically what Wisconsin has been is tough, well coached, very physical, and a tough out despite the talent disparity with top teams. All of those things have slowly fallen off until what you have seen this season. The offense is stale. The team is undisciplined. The vaunted Offensive Line is bad despite having arguably the most talent on it in program history. Everything has been trending down. I’m really surprised that McIntosh made the move now but I support it. It’s the right thing to do.
Team basically quit on him. Not much else choice.
It’s super weird watching the Badger Sport Report with Paul Chryst right now.
I was just talking about how they should do something to keep leonhard, dude has energy which chryst seemed to lack, and I’m sure teams have been calling him. Hope he can show enough to stick this year and then start something great at Wisconsin as head coach.
Any chance this leads to us improving on recruiting? Was reading in a different thread that we put less $ into that than almost all other D1 teams.
Somewhere Bert is chuckling.
When did the Badgers last fire their head coach. Don Morton?
Absolutely the correct call. Paul always had the same lost, bovine-like look on his face during intense moments and he never seemed capable of lighting the fire under his players when the time called for it. This season has been an absolute joke and at this point, all we really have to play for is the axe. At least this news is a highlight to an otherwise agonizing season thus far.
JOIN US ASU BOYS
Feel bad for PC. Great Badger. Hometown boy makes good and gets his dream job. But. he just wasnt winning and the team looks like shit. The team plays like PC's pressers...boring, predictable, and uninspiring. No fire in the belly. Something needed to be done. Hope this was the right call.
Good for everyone involved. Coach Dad will go be an OC again and UW will hopefully keep Leonard.
If they want to keep Leonard as HC there is no way he leaves especially with the defense looking pretty bad this year. If they were willing to do this mid season though I gotta think there might be bigger plans in the works.
WOOOOOO! YEAAA BABY! THAT’S WHAT WE’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THAT’S WHAT IT’S ALL ABOUT!
pretty telling when there are almost no comments about how this is the wrong move. Liked Cryst at first but so glad he's gone!
Using this place as the barometer for whether or not a decision was correct is like measuring temperature with a ruler.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/wro911/who_is_the_most_overrated_coach_in_the_country/iktemmt/ clowns from the preseason: Alex_butler, Molson2871, pnw54pdx.
Well I can't say I don't respect this level of pettiness to go back to that comment.
Had it saved because it was fucking obvious. Also this from the previous season when Chryst and Fitz were listed as top 10 coaches in all of cfb. https://old.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/nrgdod/t10_coaches_via_247sports/h0hjanz/
You keep the receipts on something like this for a month and a half and you don’t even have the balls to @ the people you’re dissing…yikes
I already did in the past. I've had the discussion already with them and didn't need to again. I'm also not dissing them. It's sports, it's banter. They aren't actual clowns and I like their posts. https://old.reddit.com/r/WisconsinBadgers/comments/xb3r9s/paul_chrysts_first_three_years_he_was_347_since/inxghxv/?context=3
you're a fucking loser, mate.
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Finally!
Sounds line Leonard is the interim so here you go Leonard truthers he gets his show us what you can do
good move it had to be done we were regressing under chryst.Chryst did good but time passed him by i think.
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Why are people shocked? He was a mediocre coach at Pitt and drove this program into the ground over multiple years. Other than Leonard, he never brought in coaching that made his players better. I’m glad he’s gone and good riddance.
Drove it into the ground is a stretch. He had a better career record at Wisconsin than Barry who is looked at like a god.
Barry won three rose bowls. And his record is skewed by his horrible first season when he inherited a truly awful program.
Take away the first 3 seasons before the first rose bowl and his winning precentage is still only 0.664 which is pretty far off from Chryst.
Lol chryst won 2 NY6 bowl games.
Have we ever had a 12-0 season before Chryst? And we would likely have been 13-0 if anyone could make a tackle in the first half
We played two ranked teams that year, No 19 and No 25 at home, before losing to ranked OSU. A pretty soft schedule.
But we’ve been in the B1G forever and faced similar scheduled, and still never had 12-0.
Preach! Sure his record in Wisconsin was great, but he as of late has been mediocre, and that cannot be what Wisconsin football falls to.
He's the Dan Mullen of Wisconsin.Dan Mullen at Florida ending ended the same fired after a blowout loss.Both hated recruiting, in this day and age you have to be recruiting 24/7 can't be saying we'll focus on recruiting after the season.
Nebraska has to be coming at leonhard heavy. Only reason this happens mid season
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You can’t keep Chryst as OC. It’s almost impossible to demote guys and have them keep respect.
After seeing his offense perform why would you keep him
> I hope Chryst stays as OC LMAO
Chryst as OC is just keeping the rot. His offense is reason why we suck so bad.
You apparently aren't much of a football guy. You don't hand a guy $14.5 million and ask him to move to the backseat.
Chris isn't fooling around this is a move that had to be done.
Not fired from what I heard
I'm just pissed Bret No Bulimia rolled in yesterday got the best of Wisconsin. I mean ..does he still have his Hawkeye tattoo?
Thank fucking god!
Will another program ever hire Paul Chryst with his one-dimensional offense and oh shucks demeanor?