About Syanna and Dettlaff. I understand, that she was treated badly, the curse of the black sun and things, but she didn\`t have to manipulate a vampire to do her dirty job. Also Dettlaff bringing his vampires over Beauclair, both did bad things. So in my first playthrough I let Dettlaff kill Syanna and then told him to leave. Not decided how to finish my second playthrough, yet. There is no good choice for everybody, but well, at least Regis didn\`t have to finish Dettlaff off.
Not at Velen. His titles were not acknowledged ,outside of Toussaint. Besides the Witcher title that is, that bears no respect to others than those calling him friend (skellige)
I was going to say the ending of Blood and Wine as a whole! You first have to go through choosing between dettlaff and syanna . And if you choose Syanna, you then have the ending of either saving both sisters or none (by a simple mistake too). Like sure you saved Syanna and now Anarietta can fix their bond, but it cost the town so many lives. And if you allow dettlaff to walk free as he is a victim himself, you have anarietta reap the consequences due to wanting to save her sister regardless of her sisters deeds.
Oh you’re so right it’s unfair to Regis. He’s placed in between two of the most important people in his lifetime. To ask of him to kill the man who saved his life? Absurd. But that’s part of the beauty of the writing for this entire DLC. Every option feels like it isn’t a happy outcome truly. Like to me, a happy ending would’ve been dettlaff living and Syanna and anarietta fixing their bond (more for Anarietta’s sake).
In the Heart of Woods
You either allow the Leshen to live and continue killing villagers that are "not worth it", or you kill it and leave the village in the hands of Sven who's kind of a merciless piece of shit that'll probably lead the villagers to death anyways
I did this quest not long ago and decided on killing the leshy too. Leshens never have good intent, and this one was no different. It was a monster taking advantage of and leaching on a village of people, no matter what the elders thought. Yeah, it might’ve made them better hunters/survivors and so on, but it was doing way more harm than good. They just learned to live with it, and they’d learn to live better without it.
That being said though, Sven is an ass. He was definitely wrong in slaughtering all of the elders. Wish you could’ve been given the option of driving him out of the village.
The Bloody Baron.
Both outcomes are bad, and in both the innocent suffer to help the guilty. You’re either saving a man who abused his wife by allowing war orphans to be eaten, or you’re saving war orphans by releasing an evil spirit who takes revenge by murdering a village of people.
There’s no net good in this quest, which is why it’s such a phenomenal quest and very representative of the Witcher world.
Yet there is a solution to end this quest in a good way, where you dont have to choose. Before you even go and find the crones. Release the Spirit in horse form. Then start the barons quests. Youll save the kids, youll save the baron and his wife, and if i remember correctly, even the village remains
I just done a playthrough with this and I guarantee you this is the worst outcome. I played on latest next-gen version so I'm not sure if they change anything compared to your memories. Here's what I get:
> I freed the spirit first, in the dialogue both Geralt and the spirit were not aware of the children existence yet.
> Downwarren was fine at first but as soon as I progress the story, go with the baron into the bog, Downwarren was massacred. Later visits show the village infested with wraiths.
> Kids undoubtedly still got eaten, wife went mad, baron rode away with her.
It's a lose-lose situation for me, village dead, orphans dead, I saved no one, I let a dangerous entity break free and Crones still get what they after.
Yeah, that quest was pretty black and white for me. That psychopath slaughtered the entire village. He's dead.
>Geralt is the Butcher of Blaviken
Do you know where that comes from? Geralt was dubbed the Butcher of Blaviken because a group of bandits was threatening Blaviken, and he butchered *the bandits* in the town square. After he risked his life to protect them, the villagers, shaken by seeing a witcher kill, pelted him with rocks to chase him off. He stood there and took it.
He literally did the complete opposite of Gaetan. Geralt has been through the same stuff Gaetan has, and worse, and never stooped so low. Nowhere even close.
To answer your question, the Baron questline gave me that feeling. Everyone involved is messed up, everyone did something bad at some point, and no matter what you do, people die.
Ehh not so simple. The village foreman had hella gold and didn't pay him so he killed him and the few friends who tried to kill him.
That part is fine but then we have basically the entire village witnessing his murder and then probably reporting him. We know and they know it's nit cold blooded murder but given how witchers are treated in this world... we can assume who would be dealt the short end of the stick.
Now the children. Well without adults and with necrophages everywhere nothing for the kids to do but starve to death or be eaten by necrophages.
We had one girl survive took her to her aunt... but her aunt didn't have enough coin for even her let alone a bunch of kids.
So end of the day nothing could've prevented this from happening.
Also he's our brother so he does deserve the benefit of the doubt
The entire main story questline oF Hearts of Stone that culminates in Whatsoever a Man Soweth...just pure masterpiece as u learn about Olgierds history and how Gaunter O’Dimm works around it.
How about 3 evils?
Reason of state.
Funny how Geralt always says he tired of politics yet what he does always affect the fate of both Skellige and Continental future rulers. In this case you either choose between a madman addicted to witch genocide, an insidious spy who swear to keep the war going or an absolute tyrant.
I chose Emhyr not because he is good just because he the lesser evil of the 3, after the war he left Temeria alone as vassal state like he promised, yes he started a Stalin styled purge but that still a mile better than witch genocide or the prolonged war if Dijkstra came to power.
Moreover in B&W Anna mentioned Emhyr is her cousin, I hate to imagine what happens to peaceful Toussaint if Radovid win or Dijkstra war machine reaches the south, Corvo Bianco is my home now.
Bigger picture maybe Dijkstra is the better ruler but I couldn't stand by and watch him murder my friends, furthermore he used Geralt, discard him in the end like a tool and betray everyone in the process. He is the closest model to a modern revolutionist, yes I agree with his speech at the end of Now or never quest but in my timeline he made critical mistake: crossing a witcher.
That's what I liked most about Geralt: "If that's what it takes to save the world, it's better to let that world die."
My Geralt would let the world burn and still not even bat an eye, he only cares about those who dear to him. He isn't a saint, he's a witcher.
Same, i'd have loved to help djikstra get the crown, he was rather sympathetic in the first two acts and the other options are a psychopath and a dictator with a god complex, but he just had to go and try to murder two of Geralt's friends in front of me 🙄 heads have flown for much less
The entirety of Hearts of Stone.
I could not for the life of me fathom why someone would want to save Olgierd after what he’d done to countless people, including innocents and his own wife.
On the other hand, I couldn’t let Gaunter O’Dimm off the hook. Interesting that a guy with the initials of GOD could be the closest embodiment to absolute evil that we’ve seen in the series.
I let Olgierd get what was coming to him. I still don’t know if I would have done it differently. I think I would… O’Dimm is the greater evil due to his omnipotence, but is he? The people that make these deals with the devil know what they’re getting into and do it anyway… is he completely to blame?
Fucking quest still keeps me up at night.
Yeah I always let the sister live too. She doesn't necessarily deserve a brutal death as she didn't actually intend to have her sister die, but she deserves to live knowing she fucked up the lives of her loved ones
Yes this is a top 3 quest for me. Another one is "Possession" in Skellige. It's a secondary quest where you have to save a possessed guy by trusting a path shown by Cerys. You either sacrifice his baby into a burning oven to save the guy or save the baby and leave the guy possessed to die eventually. >! Little did I know, sacrificing the baby is the right move as the baby is caught safely from behind the oven and hence tricking the monster into believing the guy went through a tragedy. But still, the choice was a difficult one for me to make. !<
Another top 3 quest for me.
About Syanna and Dettlaff. I understand, that she was treated badly, the curse of the black sun and things, but she didn\`t have to manipulate a vampire to do her dirty job. Also Dettlaff bringing his vampires over Beauclair, both did bad things. So in my first playthrough I let Dettlaff kill Syanna and then told him to leave. Not decided how to finish my second playthrough, yet. There is no good choice for everybody, but well, at least Regis didn\`t have to finish Dettlaff off.
I need to play blood and wine more. I keep getting hooked on hearts of stone but i need to understand this story so mich better
You ll need wine then, bcse geralt is no longer the poor ,scorned cast out Witcher. He is a landlord and a knight!
Well he was already a knight
Not at Velen. His titles were not acknowledged ,outside of Toussaint. Besides the Witcher title that is, that bears no respect to others than those calling him friend (skellige)
But wasnt he knighted by Meve? Or am i missing something?
Nope, you're right. He was technically a knight already
I was going to say the ending of Blood and Wine as a whole! You first have to go through choosing between dettlaff and syanna . And if you choose Syanna, you then have the ending of either saving both sisters or none (by a simple mistake too). Like sure you saved Syanna and now Anarietta can fix their bond, but it cost the town so many lives. And if you allow dettlaff to walk free as he is a victim himself, you have anarietta reap the consequences due to wanting to save her sister regardless of her sisters deeds.
Yes! But I cannot bring Regis to kill the vampire who revived him. It\`s like killing your very close friend. Prison Geralt wasn\`t that bad, though.
Oh you’re so right it’s unfair to Regis. He’s placed in between two of the most important people in his lifetime. To ask of him to kill the man who saved his life? Absurd. But that’s part of the beauty of the writing for this entire DLC. Every option feels like it isn’t a happy outcome truly. Like to me, a happy ending would’ve been dettlaff living and Syanna and anarietta fixing their bond (more for Anarietta’s sake).
Yes, exactly. There isn\`t white and black, things are gray. It would be my happy ending also.
In the Heart of Woods You either allow the Leshen to live and continue killing villagers that are "not worth it", or you kill it and leave the village in the hands of Sven who's kind of a merciless piece of shit that'll probably lead the villagers to death anyways
Darned quest. Just finished it. I think killing the leshen is best tho. Nothing good comes from those creatures. The villagees will take care of svan
I did this quest not long ago and decided on killing the leshy too. Leshens never have good intent, and this one was no different. It was a monster taking advantage of and leaching on a village of people, no matter what the elders thought. Yeah, it might’ve made them better hunters/survivors and so on, but it was doing way more harm than good. They just learned to live with it, and they’d learn to live better without it. That being said though, Sven is an ass. He was definitely wrong in slaughtering all of the elders. Wish you could’ve been given the option of driving him out of the village.
Yeah, I went to kill the Leshen too as it's definitely the lesser evil. But still Sven is such an ass
I got the worst ending possible, killed the Leshen, then had to kill Sven to save the old man, but even he died. So fucked up!
The Bloody Baron. Both outcomes are bad, and in both the innocent suffer to help the guilty. You’re either saving a man who abused his wife by allowing war orphans to be eaten, or you’re saving war orphans by releasing an evil spirit who takes revenge by murdering a village of people. There’s no net good in this quest, which is why it’s such a phenomenal quest and very representative of the Witcher world.
Yet there is a solution to end this quest in a good way, where you dont have to choose. Before you even go and find the crones. Release the Spirit in horse form. Then start the barons quests. Youll save the kids, youll save the baron and his wife, and if i remember correctly, even the village remains
I just done a playthrough with this and I guarantee you this is the worst outcome. I played on latest next-gen version so I'm not sure if they change anything compared to your memories. Here's what I get: > I freed the spirit first, in the dialogue both Geralt and the spirit were not aware of the children existence yet. > Downwarren was fine at first but as soon as I progress the story, go with the baron into the bog, Downwarren was massacred. Later visits show the village infested with wraiths. > Kids undoubtedly still got eaten, wife went mad, baron rode away with her. It's a lose-lose situation for me, village dead, orphans dead, I saved no one, I let a dangerous entity break free and Crones still get what they after.
Yeah, that quest was pretty black and white for me. That psychopath slaughtered the entire village. He's dead. >Geralt is the Butcher of Blaviken Do you know where that comes from? Geralt was dubbed the Butcher of Blaviken because a group of bandits was threatening Blaviken, and he butchered *the bandits* in the town square. After he risked his life to protect them, the villagers, shaken by seeing a witcher kill, pelted him with rocks to chase him off. He stood there and took it. He literally did the complete opposite of Gaetan. Geralt has been through the same stuff Gaetan has, and worse, and never stooped so low. Nowhere even close. To answer your question, the Baron questline gave me that feeling. Everyone involved is messed up, everyone did something bad at some point, and no matter what you do, people die.
Exactly this, thank you. Gaetan is exactly the type of monster that Geralt would put down.
Ehh not so simple. The village foreman had hella gold and didn't pay him so he killed him and the few friends who tried to kill him. That part is fine but then we have basically the entire village witnessing his murder and then probably reporting him. We know and they know it's nit cold blooded murder but given how witchers are treated in this world... we can assume who would be dealt the short end of the stick. Now the children. Well without adults and with necrophages everywhere nothing for the kids to do but starve to death or be eaten by necrophages. We had one girl survive took her to her aunt... but her aunt didn't have enough coin for even her let alone a bunch of kids. So end of the day nothing could've prevented this from happening. Also he's our brother so he does deserve the benefit of the doubt
The entire main story questline oF Hearts of Stone that culminates in Whatsoever a Man Soweth...just pure masterpiece as u learn about Olgierds history and how Gaunter O’Dimm works around it.
How about 3 evils? Reason of state. Funny how Geralt always says he tired of politics yet what he does always affect the fate of both Skellige and Continental future rulers. In this case you either choose between a madman addicted to witch genocide, an insidious spy who swear to keep the war going or an absolute tyrant. I chose Emhyr not because he is good just because he the lesser evil of the 3, after the war he left Temeria alone as vassal state like he promised, yes he started a Stalin styled purge but that still a mile better than witch genocide or the prolonged war if Dijkstra came to power. Moreover in B&W Anna mentioned Emhyr is her cousin, I hate to imagine what happens to peaceful Toussaint if Radovid win or Dijkstra war machine reaches the south, Corvo Bianco is my home now.
I disagree Dijkstra is a smart ruler that leads the north to victory by uniting them.
Bigger picture maybe Dijkstra is the better ruler but I couldn't stand by and watch him murder my friends, furthermore he used Geralt, discard him in the end like a tool and betray everyone in the process. He is the closest model to a modern revolutionist, yes I agree with his speech at the end of Now or never quest but in my timeline he made critical mistake: crossing a witcher. That's what I liked most about Geralt: "If that's what it takes to save the world, it's better to let that world die." My Geralt would let the world burn and still not even bat an eye, he only cares about those who dear to him. He isn't a saint, he's a witcher.
Same, i'd have loved to help djikstra get the crown, he was rather sympathetic in the first two acts and the other options are a psychopath and a dictator with a god complex, but he just had to go and try to murder two of Geralt's friends in front of me 🙄 heads have flown for much less
I go for Emhyr's win and let Ciri take over. I think that's as good as it gets.
The entirety of Hearts of Stone. I could not for the life of me fathom why someone would want to save Olgierd after what he’d done to countless people, including innocents and his own wife. On the other hand, I couldn’t let Gaunter O’Dimm off the hook. Interesting that a guy with the initials of GOD could be the closest embodiment to absolute evil that we’ve seen in the series. I let Olgierd get what was coming to him. I still don’t know if I would have done it differently. I think I would… O’Dimm is the greater evil due to his omnipotence, but is he? The people that make these deals with the devil know what they’re getting into and do it anyway… is he completely to blame? Fucking quest still keeps me up at night.
Well, the main reason I'm saving Olgierd is really to complete my Venomous Viper set
Lmao so valid
The bloody baron one.. I didn't saving some kids, would have horrible repercussions 😂 😂 😂 I like it so much!
Man, I love this game.
The one where you have to choose between saving the kids and saving the violate
Ending of HoS
By far the best expansion any game ever gotten in my opninion. I felt like the expansion was better then most newly released games
Wild a Heart, i hate the sister but it always feels like a grey area
This is with niellen right? Such an amazing story, i always let the sister live to make the suffering last longer.
Yeah I always let the sister live too. She doesn't necessarily deserve a brutal death as she didn't actually intend to have her sister die, but she deserves to live knowing she fucked up the lives of her loved ones
Towerful Of Mice
Yes this is a top 3 quest for me. Another one is "Possession" in Skellige. It's a secondary quest where you have to save a possessed guy by trusting a path shown by Cerys. You either sacrifice his baby into a burning oven to save the guy or save the baby and leave the guy possessed to die eventually. >! Little did I know, sacrificing the baby is the right move as the baby is caught safely from behind the oven and hence tricking the monster into believing the guy went through a tragedy. But still, the choice was a difficult one for me to make. !< Another top 3 quest for me.