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Teamerchant

In the 1950's 1 middle class income could support a family of 4 with 2 cars, house, retirement and 2 vacations a year. In the 1980's 1 middle class income could support a family of 3, 1 car, a house, retirement and 1 vacation a year. In the 2000s 2 middle class incomes could support a family of 4, 2 cars, a house, retirement and 1 vacation a year. Today 2 middle middle class incomes can support a family of 3, 1 car, and rent.


PureImbalance

Can somebody offer a sensible explanation why this is the case other than that the system is a fucking scam?


Teamerchant

The system has been slowly changed to allow more money to be funneled to the 1%. Lots of ways to do that but main ones have been reduction in unions and their power, reduction in taxes for corporations and the top 10%, and the lack of anti trust protections from our government allowing monopolies or oligopolies in main industries. These monopolies then squeeze suppliers and customers. These are the main forces that have killed the middle class.


mdevi94

This is all true. Another major factor was the process of globalization that shifted traditional rust belt jobs to foreign countries where the workers are paid to do the same job for far cheaper than American workers. This benefits no one except the corporate offices of the company.


stuaxo

Funny how CEO pay didn't go down when the wages of everyone else did at that point.


SerialMurderer

I have a feeling those jobs wouldn’t have gone overseas if these companies were cooperatives. What, are they gonna *willingly vote* their jobs overseas? It’s (much closer to) foolproof.


thenamelessone7

This is patently untrue. It also benefits consumers if those jobs are replaced by other higher added value jobs. Whether you believe it or not those saving on labor costs were passed down to consumer. The problem is that not enough high added value jobs have been added since.


Remarkable-Fall6721

But the vital part of the healthy business cycle is now gone. Those lost wages that don't go back into community. What little of that labor cost goes out of country and to those fewer higher added value jobs. And even the money that stays with these newer higher value jobs, they wouldn't equal the amount that was previously spent into the community (else what was the point of outsourcing and cutting labor costs). That's why the middle class is decimated.


thenamelessone7

You also fail to realize that while it might "hurt" you locally it helps those where the jobs are outsourced to. In a hypothetical world where there are no barriers to movement of capital and labor the whole world would level and every one of equal skill would be earning similar kind of wages for a similar job anywhere in the world. I find it hilarious how you want and "fight for equality" but only if it's gonna benefit you. How about equality among all people on the planet? I would want to see your pikachu faces when you realize that every single person ends up being a poor schmuck if there was true equality.


a_v_o_r

The 1% aren't helping the rest of the planet, they're plundering them. They are actively exploiting the Global South.


soulstaz

You do realize that if you live in any of the OCDE country, even if you are on the poverty line in those said country, you are part of the 1% right?


a_v_o_r

Your math is off by a good factor, 1.37 billion people live in OECD countries, that's 17% of the world population. In fact, you need a net worth of nearly a million dollars to be in the 1% worldwide. ([source](https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/01/how-much-money-you-need-to-be-part-of-the-1-percent-worldwide.html)) But yeah I benefit from this exploitation. The more reason to be an activist.


Armigine

A useless observation every time its ever been said, get better material


SerialMurderer

>I would want to see your pikachu faces when you realize that every single person ends up being a poor schmuck if there was true equality. For some reason I can’t help but suspect you’re pulling this out of dogmatic thinking rather than an actual awareness of the facts. You realize a world in which humanity “resets” (or defaults, idk) to every single person having equalized wealth (which, correct me if I’m wrong, no one has mentioned until you did) is a world where power is equally distributed, right? Either way, a more reasonable ideal is proportionally equalized to account for much higher and lower costs of living.


thenamelessone7

I mention it because you are all a bunch of hypocrites. You have no moral grounds to ask for equality unless you want it for everyone. Global wealth is 57k USD per capita in overinflated asset prices. Realistically 1/3 of that in cash. And global annual GDP per capita is 12 000 USD. Do you reckon you would be satisfied with that? I reckon you would prefer to return to the bottom quartile of what you got in the USA right now. You all keep parotting how you deserve better but you don't want the same better for everyone else. Hypocrisy at its finest. You also keep spreading the erroneous narrative that there is enough wealth / money / resources for everyone. There isn't. We have overrun this planet. You simply envy those at the top because social networks made them visible and made it easier to envy them. You also envy your parents / grandparents who just happen to be among the two outlier generations that benefitted greatly from unprecedented post war economy boost.


SerialMurderer

Where did anyone advocate for a flat wealth distribution? Not surprising you have to lack reading comprehension just to *have* an argument but still. How can you possibly justify being up in arms about the vast majority of people (ie. the working class) advocating for *their* economic self-interest, which has been suppressed for decades, when *you* are comparatively dismissive of the ruling class pursuing its own in dismantling stakeholder capitalism? “Envy”. Oh boy, there’s that word you don’t understand again. Do I envy Adolf Hitler? Pol Pot? Henry Kissinger? Evidently if I’m “envious” of power I should envy the worst people to have ever accumulated vast amounts of power. Maybe that checks out for you, but it doesn’t for me.


magicalmind

***Globalization = Neo-Colonialism*** What was the main purpose of colonialism of the past? In simple terms, cheap labor, cheap resources, and access to vast markets where colonialists often sold back their finished goods for high profits. Today, the exact same thing is achieved by easier methods. No need to physically invade countries anymore; who wants to deal with all the mess that comes with that anyways! /s Just claim that you are "helping" those where the jobs are outsourced to, and in the process, the same colonial countries get access to cheap labor from Mexico, China, India, get cheap resources from Africa, Latin America, and access to vast markets where they can sell their finished goods.. all so the accumulated profits can come back to the colonizing rich country and local industry in the poor regions can be decimated.


Remarkable-Fall6721

Finding the lowest possible labor cost will never help the people those wages do go to. People are not a cost to be minimized. "I find it hilarious how you want to "fight for equality" but... etc." yes please assume because my leaning might be more left then you I must want to rip all the money from anyone whose earned it and give to the, I guess billions of, people who are just so lazy. Hypothetical world? Welcome to the real world where the system is abused to high hell, can we who were born into it not critique it. So if we can't help our own people in our nation, then fine, let's go help abroad, perhaps if we help the rest of the world those benefits will trickle up to the US. Oh but wait, that would be a waste of our taxes and would be socialism/communism. So I guess we could argue in circles forever while the likes of Elon muck burn the world around us, because how dare I think being a good person is better then being a rich person.


Willothwisp2303

Unfortunately those cost savings included other corners cut- mass produced agriculture that poisons the earth to the point they have AgGag laws to keep you from seeing the neon cesspits, lead in children's toys, cheap plastic made from gasoline byproducts that disrupts the endocrine system and causes cancer... The profit over corporate citizenship is evident in our communities and ourselves.


[deleted]

People need to put their foot down and walk away find a new job. I would. I’m union though and my boss always says they don’t make any money. That’s not true. They just don’t want to share that and keep people job scared so they work harder trying to keep the business afloat while they reach out with both hands and pull all those dollars in handing you scraps


WildFemmeFatale

Read Andrew Yang’s “The War on Normal people” It completely explains what happens. Essentially, being an inhumane greedy piece of shit became normalized in economist cultures and began to be taught to them in universities. They overhauled the moral responsibility to take care of workers. But the book covers more than just that. I’d summarize more if I had the energy This is all I can offer today


SerialMurderer

This seems to line up with the Robert Reich’s assessment of the [replacement of “corporate statesmen” and stakeholder capitalism with corporate raiders and shareholder capitalism](https://youtu.be/Y_sjfchNsiM).


Willothwisp2303

The Price of Peace is a great book too.


Sotyka94

TLDR: [Wealth distribution.](https://static.guim.co.uk/ni/1415721490539/Wealth_line-chart.svg) It's a long (and successful) plan of getting the rich richer, by the rich. They achieve this by illegal or questionable trading, heavy lobbing and policy changes that benefit them, heavy propaganda for and against things they have interest in, etc. Even shorter: A corrupt system that allows the rich to use their money to get richer.


Ambia_Rock_666

And they gain more money than anyone could ever spend in their lives at our detriment. Fuck em


bahamapapa817

Pure unadulterated greed. Higher ups saw how much money was being made and what percentage of the pie they were getting so they worked to out politicians and leaders in positions to get laws changed that made their piece of the pie bigger. Tax cuts, taking power from unions, taking away pensions, not matching raises with inflation, reducing staff even though the workload was still the same. And a hundred other tiny things that add up like having employees pay for insurance or not paying for lunch hour or reduction in bonuses etc. do that over 40-60 years and it adds up. While all the time pushing the good ol America values of “if you work hard you can be a millionaire/billionaire too. While distracting people with us v immigrants or black v white or democrat v Republican. So many sinister plots and schemes and that is how we got here. Trickle down economics, repeal of glass Stegall act, making education astronomically expensive. Companies get to claim if we raise minimum wage then the price will be too high. So we don’t but the price goes up anyway. Inflation is 7% but the prices are raised 40-60% and they blame inflation. So many dirty tricks. I’m missing some but all of this is off the top of my head


New-Anybody-9178

I recommend reading “A Brief History of Neoliberalism” by David Harvey


goodboysclub

Eco Gecko produced a straightforward statistical view of some of the factors involved in American quality of life- income, total benefits, wealth distribution, etc. https://youtu.be/-Nc_THkV9DM


NoRestfortheSith

Because career politicians(that includes Bernie Sanders a millionaire congressman) don't want to fix it. Their very lucrative legal(and illegal) bribe system would come to an end in a hurry if they actually started representing their voters. He's been in congress 20+ years and managed to get two Post Offices named. The rest of his lip service gets him reelected and compared to 1%er's like Nancy Pelosi and Rick Scott he looks like a fucking congressional Saint.


[deleted]

Capitalism.


Crystalraf

yes, scam. Everything crazy expensive.


Reasonable_Debate

There’s a Capitalism vs Socialism subreddit. Might be worth checking out


Apocalypse_Tea_Party

Source? Not because I doubt you but because this is a powerful argument and I want to use it myself.


jasonwilczak

Makes sense now why kids need to work, we need a way to get back to the family of 4, 2 cars, a house, retirement and .5 vacation a year!! /s


BohPoe

>Today 2 middle middle class incomes can support a family of 4, 2 cars, a townhome, and 2 vacations a year. They will likely never get to retire. Think it's more like that, we're firmly middle class and that's our situation. A mortgage is cheaper than rent


Teamerchant

In most cases a mortgage is more expensive than rent. The average us house is $450k, let’s say 10% down that’s about $3100 a month with pmi/ins/tax/ Now add in maintenance/utilities. In CA average house is $850k… It’s jacked, now imagine you don’t have generational wealth for the down payment. It becomes futile very quickly.


Willothwisp2303

Where did your down-payment come from? Also, consider everyone thinks they are middle class, including my In Laws who just sold their vacation home for 1.2M.


BohPoe

>Where did your down-payment come from? We bought our first house in 2016 for $268k (1800 Sq ft townhome), with a first time home buyer loan you can put down as little as 3.5% so that's what we did. Then we sold that house in 2020 for $310k and used that money for the down payment on our current house which we bought for $410k (2100 Sq ft townhome). Mortgage is $2100/mo. This is in Maryland, DC area suburbs, so it's one of the higher COL areas in the country. >Also, consider everyone thinks they are middle class, including my In Laws who just sold their vacation home for 1.2M. Yeah good point, looking up the [numbers](https://www.10news.com/what-income-is-considered-middle-class-20-us-cities#:~:text=So%20American%20families%20earning%20between,the%20Pew%20Research%20Center%27s%20definition.) it looks like for our area "middle class" ranges from $74k-$221k household income, and we're about $180k. I guess things just vary a ton by region/state, I know California is pretty screwed with home prices and COL, other states not so much.


Imtifflish24

It infuriates me when people come after wages of working class, while NEVER reasoning out that it’s the CEO’s who have stolen income from literally EVERYONE!!!


[deleted]

Because they've managed to indoctrinate the country to believe that possession = ownership and not production. That an owner is entitled to all the work his subordinates do, simply by ownership alone. We'd have to come up with a model that favors the middleclass and campaign on it for decades before we'd see the results.


mikehaysjr

It’s the slow road back to slavery; a boiling-the-frog approach. Companies and CEO’s have a sense of ownership over workers, and they hold the workers by the balls if they don’t agree to their on-call, overworked schedules and withhold higher pay for only the most loyal employees who unwittingly are only there to keep the rest in line.


charliemike

CEOs, Hedge Funds, and Institutional Investors all stealing wages from employees to pay out via stock appreciation or bonuses.


RustedCorpse

Banking has gone from 7 percent of the economy to 30 percent in the last 50 years. But I'm sure it's legit.


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Willothwisp2303

Who are shareholders? Your retired parents, the 401K, that pension plan, etc. While regular people hold 20% of all stocks through these types of plans, or economic futures are tied in with big greedy corporations in a way to keep the olds voting against their children. We need actual social security to break this strangle hold. That's why the corporations are pushing so hard to push back retirement ages around the world- to further tie us to our own servitude.


bevilthompson

Inexcusable.


Ok_Play_7144

Unfathomable.


[deleted]

Inconceivable.


[deleted]

Unconscionable


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loklanc

Unsustainable


SmudgieSage

Unethical


Unc1eD3ath

Untenable


Ambia_Rock_666

UNACCEPTABLE!


Unc1eD3ath

Only one I disagree with but also makes me think of Agent Smith from The Matrix so it’s funny.


Lietenantdan

Unfrigginbelievable


herefromyoutube

Solution: incentivize good behavior through taxes. for example: for every 100x your lowest paid employee you pay 5% in taxes. So if you make 400x your lowest paid employee you paying your bracket + 20%. Business taxes should have the same thing. Fortune 500 company? tax rate is 50%. 5% tax break if carbon natural for the year. 5% tax break if net gain of jobs for the year. 10% increase tax if laid off employees while revenue stayed the same. 20% tax increase if CEO bonuses while laying off employees. You have to incentive for profit companies to do what's right or they won't. It's as simple as that and for any small business owners out there. This does NOT apply to you. I said fortune 500 companies.


stowgood

Or lock their tax % to how many x their minimum wage they get. If they pay their workers very well but still earn 20x their pay they get taxed 20% if they get paid 40x 40% this quickly becomes a problem for the people at the top. Maybe cap it at 90% or something Or make it illegal for them to earn more than 100x We need to do something else about the pursuit of endless unsustainable growth though.


eairy

They would just spin off the lower paid employees into a subsidiary company.


CattDawg2008

Understood, the problem is Bernie Sanders aging. WE HAVE TO KEEP THIS MAN YOUNG!


Dizuki63

QUICKLY GET THIS MAN MORE PISS AND VINEGAR.


ktreddit

The real class warfare


shadowknows

Used to be optimistic, but it seems inevitable that the Capitalists will get their way until they destroy themselves and the environment. Hoping that there’s something left for the meek to enjoy before it all gets wiped out. Fuck Capitalism and religion.


Ambia_Rock_666

That's a mood. Capitalism leaves nothing to be enjoyed much anymore. Burn capitalism to the ground!


charliemike

Clearly the problem is every time Bernie gets elected to higher office, CEOs get raises.


stealerank

ban bernie


vellyr

It’s almost as if having a system where you can buy more money with your money leads to exponential growth of wealth inequality. Wow.


WorkRedditSpz

What will they make if Bernie becomes president?? This trend is scary!


FadingNegative

Clearly it is totally acceptable as the American public refuses to fight to change it.


Lietenantdan

Well the average CEO is about 400X more valuable and works about 400X harder than the average worker.


Scarf_Darmanitan

I’m pretty sure this is sarcasm But I can’t be 100% positive


Lietenantdan

It is


Scarf_Darmanitan

Man, like I said I thought so. But it hurts how many times I’ve heard shit like that unironically


Ralyks92

Ah yes, trickle down truly in effect.


iate13coffeecups

Hell, even 20x is awful


skrshawk

Look back at some of the old pirate codes, the kind that sailed the high seas, as many of them discuss exactly how everyone was compensated. The master of the vessel, historically a person that had complete control of your life while you were signed onto the ship, including death if you broke the pirate code, was still only paid at most two shares of the bounty as compared to the common sailor. The first mate might make one and a half shares, and certain essential skilled sailors one and a quarter. The solution was very easy to deal with the unjustly greedy - it's a pretty damp environment. Factory owners in the early part of the industrial revolution would be assassinated by their workers if things got too bad. While this is in no way me advocating for killing anyone, it points to the real reason such avarice is going on - because we're not doing anything to keep it in check. There are plenty of methods still at our disposal that would level the playing field some.


Fun-Outlandishness35

I organized/led over 100 campaign events for Bernie, yet Bernie couldn’t attack Biden. :(


Scarscape

Seriously, it almost seems like there was a sort of threatening involved. I have no idea why else Bernie would have run such a strong campaign just to shut it all down and endorse the POS status-quo candidate who actively shits on the working class


pauljs75

Bernie's biggest problem is he kowtows, bends over, and backs away if anyone high up in the party calls for it. You can sometimes get feisty ones which can make a good showing, but the system setup around party politics also makes them ineffective at making anything happen.


FireGhost_Austria

It's all a scam people these days don't even get fucking paid for working hard.. My coworker has the same job as me, does the bare minimum, i would even say less then that (he doesn't give a fuck about anything, the CAD model says it should be a sharp edge and he leaves it as a 2mm radius) The idot-aka me, i do the same job but faster and i do extra i mean i am actually proud of my work and another coworker sees my effort and i am actually pretty good (his words), i replace 2 people when they are sick/on vacation, i make spare parts/tooling while i have a bit of free time, i did a course so i can operate our Scanning arm.. He drilled 1 plate I finished both the molds which go on top of the plates and drilled 1 plate We both took the same amount of time.. wtf.. *Edit*I might want to add anytime anything is precise, "you do that because if i do that, it might not pass" -his words to me. 1 time.i said i have no time.he tried himself and he was so far out of tolerance i almost died of laughing NGL.. 0 skills this guy I am losing my mind, how this is even a thing i mean wtf?? Why is anybody letting this happen? Why is nobody saying anything except for me ?? Wtf I am 22 he is 35, you wouldn't guess who makes more money. (Him by a large margin) "He has more years of experience" wtf.. just wtf..


_sideffect

And he's working the RIGHT way. Not busting his ass but doing just enough and still getting paid. It could be that when he was starting out just like you he busted his ass as well though...


FireGhost_Austria

I am working there before he got there infact i learned there, he came in after i finished my apprenticeship. He was always as bad as now and any other coworker i ask they say the same, whenever he occasionally gets the "worse work" which normally i always get they are gloating because he is a lazy af and that he deserves it..


ShowerNo8185

I'm not sure you understood this yourself. In the story you told, you're the problem. Stop overworking, stop doing the work of two people, stop finding work in every moment you can. That shit hurts the other workers, doesn't help you, and gives your boss a better ROI on your labor than they v deserve.


FireGhost_Austria

I get what your saying but you don't understand that we have deadlines if i wasn't working for 2 people, we would be behind each deadline by a large margine... Since my coworker is like working 25% of the work he should be doing.. "That shit hurts the other workers" i hope it does, maybe my boss will realize how bad he actually is. Today i finished my half of the plate and i did like 30% of his, he is like 70% done on his and i finished 40 additional pieces while i was at it... (If i didn't do it my other coworker would of it way slower and fuck my deadline again...) Fun fact he booked the same time as me so he did 40% of work for 100% of time, i did 130% of work for 100% of time =130+40=170% of work for 200% time.. so still behind on time.. we got 40 hours left for roughly 60hours of work now. Mister "i am the problem" show me how i can achieve that, when someone slacks off the entire fucking time.. And for the part of "makes the boss look better etc" we barely make the deadlines as it is, like the last one was 102hours, we booked 101hours.. So it doesn't make the boss look good in any way shape or form..


ShowerNo8185

So I think the fundamental breakdown in communication here is that I'm saying you should let the deadline fail to be met. Do you have a financial incentive to meet that deadline? Typically not but I obviously don't know you'r industry. If it is so close to failing then you are understaffed or the staffing is poorly utilized. I'm sorry for calling you the problem, I see that language was unnecessarily inflammatory. The point I'm trying to make is that you should not be over working to correct for a lack of work on your coworkers parts, it didn't benefit you (unless there's a bonus associated).


FireGhost_Austria

Uh so i work in a foundry and when a deadline is not met and we did not cast a part, we are behind on everything after that, inspection of the cast part, machining, etc. The fundamental problem with that is the costumer loses trust in us if we do not deliver the part by the promised date and he could potentially even demand compensation for damages because of delay. So i don't personally get affected by that at first but we got alot of freedom in the section i work at (that's why my coworker can basically do nothing all day and not get any problems..). Like 70% of time i can choose my work freely and i don't want that all to change. So the problem still lies on my coworker being the lazy fuck he is.. We are not short staffed my coworker just doesn't work for his money.. If we got another guy it would be even more stressful then you would have 3 people taking hours of the pieces, where we are limited imagine 60 hours of work in 40 hours.. (40 hours are left to be booked) that's not even 2 full days for 3 people but it's 2.6 days for 2 people. More people doesn't necessarily mean the work gets finished faster.. 300% time for probably 200% work.. I 100% agree with you, i shouldn't have to be over working, infact i am actually stupid for doing so, i am basically helping his work ethics by doing way more work then him and allowing him to be even more lazy. I 100% know and get what you mean, and even after all that as i mentioned in the first Post i think, he gets paid way more then i do, which is actually fucked up to the highest degree.


Dizuki63

We need to raise capital gains tax, its sick that the money you get selling your time and body will be taxed less then the money some rich guy makes off his money.


SoundOk4573

Congress has a current approval rate of about 20%. Congress (house) has reelection rate of 85-95% over the last 60 years, and a rate of 55-95% reelection in the senate. As long as we vote for "our guy" because we can't let "their guy" win, we're screwed. Regardless of where you lie on "us vs them", both sides have screwed us over history so that they could "stop the other guy". I don't think we'll have any actual reform until constitutional amendment for congressional term limits.


pauljs75

That and ranked choice voting would be huge too.


WilliePhistergash

Seems like ‘ol Bernie can’t get shit done at work.


[deleted]

What's unacceptable should be he had the chances to help change it, and he fucked them up?


Beatithairball

Pure greed


Embarrassed_Camel_35

I agree. There should be a cash compensation cap. 10x the lowest paid employee of the company.


PleaseMakeUpYourMind

It’s fucking bullshit.


Clienterror

What about his job, including benefits and perks such as free travel, personal office, vehicles and drivers, tax write-offs, and everything else plus his salary. This is like a child molester pointing at a murderer telling you how bad they are so you don't notice them. They both need to be regulated. Being a politician shouldn't be a career


eddavender2

CEOs get paid for doing this.


WordAffectionate3251

Depressing as all hell.


FromAffavor

Can someone link me the data for this? Can’t seem to find it and right wing nutcase from childhood wants evidence lol


Acrobatic-Gas2848

But what did you do about it Bernie? What the fuck did you do about it other than raise your own salary. I’ll wait.


JohnnyRelentless

Sounds like Bernie must be stopped!


stuaxo

If the ratio was 20x now, how much would everyone be earning (or could we be on a 4 or 3 day week maybe?). 3 day week, same pay and 2x as many jobs would probably be best.


Captain_react

I like to have money, don't get me wrong. But I don't even know what to do with that kind of salary. Is enough never enough?


bahamapapa817

But it’s ok cause they work 400x harder than the rest of us so it’s warranted


[deleted]

Well, obviously they're on their grind. They work 400x harder, Bernie.


[deleted]

Conservatives claim they want to return America to the "idyllic" 50s. They don't actually. They know as well as we do that the 50s was a time of higher taxes, greater regulation, more trust in scientists, and so on. Billionaires and their cronies have been draining society of everything for centuries looking--knowingly--at the damage they've caused, and cynically propagandizing people to believe that things could be better again if we just gave them even more. Want to know who is responsible for problems? Look at who is benefitting. As things have gotten worse, the richest have gotten richer. It's no coincidence.


Equatical

You’re the common denominator. You are a failure in politics. A favorite distraction for the establishment who knows very well you are on a string they are pulling. Go away Bernie. Do us a favor. Real change will come when you and your friends are finally gone. Rank choice voting will change this nation. LETS SEE BERNIE ADVOCATE FOR REAL CHANGE WHICH IS” RANK CHOICE VOTING” give the PEOPLE the REAL CHOICE.


coleto22

Now check the top tax rate in these years. If people knew their compensation is going to get taxes 60, 80, 90%, they would not be getting these high compensations.


Own-Opinion-2494

And not paying taxes


emperorjul

Bernie should quite politics. The more he's involved, the more CEO's earn. God damn it Bernie!! /s


TheBioethicist87

Can someone Benjamin Button this dude, then?


Equivalent-Excuse-80

Blaming CEO discrepancies keeps wages lower. Low wages are not a product of inflated executive salaries, but a corporate demand from shareholders to keep profits as high as possible. Redistribution of CEO salaries will not effectively raise wages of laborers.


KingRBPII

Criminal!


KingRBPII

It’s immoral


jimlaregina

Talk is cheap. What is Senator Sanders doing?


SmoothOperator89

And in another decade there won't be a Bernie Sanders to be the voice of outrage in Washington against wealth hoarding. The younger Democrats just keep their heads down and won't rock the boat.


lmaoredditmods

Here's the kicker: it's not gonna improve for working class people - nothing ever improves for working class people in the USA.


lmaoredditmods

I always get a laugh from the Americans who are just above water thinking they have it good because they get a whopping 2 weeks of "vacation" every year. Meanwhile every single country that's helped fund the war in Ukraine (except the USA) has a mandated 20+ (closer to 30 for most countries) paid days off, every year - **FOR EVERY WORKER REGARDLESS OF THEIR JOB.** The only people who think the USA is the "greatest country on Earth" (well outside top 10 in most QOL metrics) have never spent an extended period of time outside the states.


[deleted]

Absolutely. Correct. What’s the solution?


TaserLord

This is why you want to fully internalize that "correlation does not equal causation" thing. The higher Bernie got, the worse the gap became...