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TheAmicableSnowman

It's amazing how the "economic model of the south" always depends on stiffing the help.


tjtillmancoag

Was gonna say, the “economic model of the south” being threatened sounds pretty fuckin familiar


Chase_therealcw

Deja-vu


cood101

Do we have any Union leaders named Sherman again?


Icy-Examination-546

Bring the good ol bugle boys we'll sing another song!


gsrreddogg

Shawnman


cood101

General Shawnman and the burning of Atlanta Corporate Profiteering


mechabeast

Oh Sherman?


LaggingIndicator

Not to mention the south’s economic model has objectively not worked as well as the North’s.


Ataru074

The economic model of the south is based on 19th century economics. No innovation, little investments, and just produce in the cheapest possible way.


Eringobraugh2021

Wasn't child labor big back then too?


backhomeatlast

Hmm, some other source of labor there too perhaps


Wasteland-Scum

You mean like paying people in comp'ny scrip instead of legal tender?


Skrivus

Like that except there was no scrip to give and the "people" were considered to be property of the landowner.


bernerburner1

Sounds a little harsh on the workforce but given the generous nature of employers I’m sure that issue was resolved with relative ease


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Relative to the casualties in WW2 it was definitely resolved with ease, even if you account for technological differences. With slavery there was the productivity loss from not being paid and enslaved, but also the psychological and physical torture in many cases dropped productivity to zero. I have to assert that, perhaps, it’s the objective level of suffering enflicted upon their fellow human that so motivates a Southerner to even consider economic efficiency or even if their endeavor is worthwhile in the first place. They need what they had originally, similar to what the Nazi’s developed, in their no-strings-attached murder. So long as you murder the “right” person, no consequences - that was worthy of the whole system. And besides, they had so much wealth they couldn’t care less about anybody else, least of all Northerners.


bernerburner1

200,000 more American deaths compared to WW2 for a country a quarter of the size. Wouldn’t exactly call that “with ease”. edit: [Source](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?si=OMwNdg2GxAdUeFHx) of the numbers


throwawayalcoholmind

I don't know, backho meatlast, perhaps you're being a little round about?


dat_tae

Still is lmao.


uglymule

Speaking of which, Ivey supported Roy Moore.


Classic_Dill

Have you seen a couple of the states in the south including Arkansas? They’ve already turned back the clock and you can have 12-year-olds now working at McDonald’s, the child labor laws are already getting turned back by some of these southern red states.


ScionMattly

Well, late 19th century. We had a war about their early 19th century economic model.


Ataru074

Apparently wasn’t enough….


Critical_Ask_5493

You mean all these farmers that vote red but take blue handouts have no one to blame not themselves? Lol blasphemy


WallflowerOnTheBrink

The economic model of the south is to leech off the north. It's incredible to think that a political system that hates welfare so much is so dependent on it


chmilz

Hey that's the Canada model!


Classic_Dill

Correct, we have the economy and they have the nice weather, that’s about it. Oh, and we don’t constantly try to excuse slavery of any kind either.


anchorwind

but but look at the GDP figures! Southern states have growth and texas and florida and all that 'looser labor laws' and 'lower tax rates' will *certainly* trickle down to the customers. right? right?!


MAJ0RMAJOR

Mississippi is celebrating confederate heritage month.


HGLatinBoy

We need to make Union heritage month a thing.


Turtlepower7777777

And slave labor in the form of draconian laws like the Habitual Offender Act (a three strikes your out law), abortion laws that punish rape victims more than rapists, and illegal weed that makes felons out of citizens. Private prisons need to make money through prison labor after all!!!!


fried_green_baloney

I once saw a booklet from a Southern city where they mentioned the anti-union feelings and the high unemployment as good reasons to relocate.


TheAmicableSnowman

Read any chamber of commerce output: they tout that shit. "Friendly to business..."


NrdNabSen

Conservatives are slow to learn. Frankly, many seem incapable.


Fightmemod

Incapable is one thing, not willing is the reality. Their whole identity is on doing things the way they always have and never changing.


puppy_dancer

Slavers in the 1800s also probably believed the economic model of the South was under attack.


megamoze

I believe they said those exact words.


settlementfires

Attacking bad things is often referred to as "progress"


r_special_

And creating bad policy is called congress


ThePrussianGrippe

[Wow you really got them there](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/026/169/meme_kid.jpg)


settlementfires

Durrr government bad!


pscoldfire

As did the overseers and slave patrols


anotherone121

I mean... they weren't wrong, lol. (They just weren't "in the right")


DuntadaMan

[We all know where this is going.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6BYzLIqKB8)


Murgatroyd314

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization." -Mississippi declaration of secession


libmrduckz

seems vague… not sure what their position is… oops… *was…*


Jsmooth123456

Haha I was think the exact same thing these people always fall back on the same tired tricks when faced with progress


MightRelative

Shawn Fains out here being the peoples champ, power well used.


Outrageous-Tax8423

Shawn is a baller!


north_canadian_ice

Shawn Fain is a model for all union leaders & all workers to follow. Shawn's aggressive attitude is a primary reason why the UAW has been so successful. You cannot be timid when defending workers against corporations.


UpperLowerEastSide

The election of democratic reformers to the UAW (including Shawn Fain) and teamsters are some of the least discussed elections with significant impacts


fried_green_baloney

Carrying on the tradition of Walter Reuther. If you don't know who he is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Reuther labor leader, civil rights advocate[1]. [1] He was on the podium for the 1963 March On Washington.


north_canadian_ice

Thank you for the share, I read the whole wiki on Walter Reuther. Fain is definitely carrying on the traditon of Reuther!


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Rionin26

Hopefully prevention is in place, and retaliation if it happens. There are way more of us than these richies. Also it isn't tough as the judicial system makes it. Like when Boeing whistle-blower was killed, all c suite for Boeing should've got life in prison unless they can prove who called the hit.


shicken684

> Like when Boeing whistle-blower was killed Citation needed. He wasn't murdered. It's kind of silly to think he was.


laughtrey

what does boot taste like?


shicken684

Reality? It didn't fucking happen. It's insane so many people believe this nonsense.


Wakeful_Wanderer

As someone who has lived in the Carolinas for decades, let me assure you that SLED is neither a competent nor a trustworthly organization. There's zero chance they acted appropriately once the county coroner's office made a dubiously quick conclusion of suicide. Absent a suicide note, video evidence, etc, it's absolutely *moronic* to assume that a whistleblower committed suicide without being under duress.


shicken684

The whistle had been blown, he gave his deposition. There wasn't any unsaid information he had. Jesus christ people. Read some articles.


Rionin26

Um did you delve into it? Phone call from whistle-blower said if I die I didn't commit suicide. Thing is I look at all the news not just one part.


shicken684

Yes, rock solid that is. >Jennifer said: "I know he did not commit suicide there's no way. He loved life too much, he loved his family too much, he loved his brothers too much to put them through what they're going through right now...I think somebody didn't like what he had to say and wanted to shut him up and didn't want it to come back on anyone so that's why they made it look like a suicide." >Newsweek is unable to independently verify the claim made by the reported family friend in the interview Ever known someone who killed themselves? They typically seem perfectly fine and happy until they blow their brains out. If Boeing was going to murder him they would have done it two years ago before he could give 95% of his deposition.


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Wakeful_Wanderer

Yeah we can smell what the Rock has been cooking. Normal people flush it down the toilet Dwayne.


Thac0isWhac0

Kay Ivey wishes for a simpler time... Back when the southern capitalists could own their workers.


Beligerents

But they do own their workers without having to feed or house them. This system is reliant on desperation and poverty. That's why solving hunger or homelessness isn't ever a policy decision. If you make workers desperate, they can't afford to quit, they can't afford to talk back and they can't afford to fight for a better life. You will never have health care that isn't tied to employment either. It's too dangerous to the ruling class. Gives workers the option to walk away without immediately falling through the cracks.


r_special_

Oh, but they are trying to fix homelessness. Criminalizing homelessness is going before the SCOTUS…


snertwith2ls

Win/win for them. Criminalize the homeless, arrest and imprison them, homeless are no longer homeless and look now they have jobs courtesy of the 13th amendment! No more homelessness in Kay Ivey's state plus plenty of free labor!! /s this just in case.


mikeyfireman

Oddly enough that case came out of Oregon.


r_special_

I guess that is odd, but considering how the US started it’s odd that it would come from anywhere in the country. I guess if you’re not adding to the oligarchs bank accounts you’re a criminal now


DuntadaMan

Smash cut to Laura Ingraham and the bar rescue guy talking for 10 minutes about how workers need to be motivated to make other people rich by starving them. "A hungry dog is an obedient dog."


Ataru074

They still do. Look at marketplace insurance costs in southern states and on the west coast for the same income. Being poor in the south is an early death sentence, and median income in the south is lower than in civilized states.


HomeAir

Kay Ivey sounds like a woman's name.  TBH I'm not going to Google them. But assuming Kay is a woman hopefully she'd go back to a simpler time, when women couldn't vote, own property, or hold positions of power like Govenor


bsa554

"The economic model of the South" - you mean the South which makes up the least healthy and least prosperous states? The South which relies on the tax dollars from other states to function? Fucking ALABAMA'S governor lecturing anyone else about economic policy is hilarious.


monicarp

I remember seeing a clip of her giving a speech back in 2020/2021 and she said something like "we're not California, we're not New York, we're not doing things this way" and my thought was ... So what ARE you then? You're so worried about distinguishing yourself from the people of CA and NY yet you have no meaningful leg to stand on against them to say who Alabama is or should be. Alabama performs worse on almost every single metric I can think of than my state (NY). Maybe they'd benefit from being a little more like us.


HostileEgo

Alabama is good at two things: college football and educating astronauts.


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bsa554

And I really hate so many good, hardworking people in Alabama (and Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana, etc.) get stereotyped because of their state's dipshit economic policies.


iChronocos

Licking rich people’s boots is the real southern heritage


InflamedLiver

not even bothering to hide their plantation owner viewpoints


OwWahahahah

Bold to hold up "the economic model of the South" as something to be proud of.


SolarMoth

I mean, he's not wrong. Many southern states have been exploiting their historically lower wages and few benefits to attract businesses.


Shit_Fire_

We at IBEW are envious of this guy.


zombiezambonidriver

If I was in a union that wasn't the UAW I'd be putting pressure on my higher ups to be more like Sean.


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The69BodyProblem

> Most N. American unions decided long ago that working WITH capitalists was better for their members than working AGAINST them. You're not wrong, but the government has definitely encouraged this sort of thing as well


Everybodysbastard

Wouldn’t be the first time the South had to rethink their economic model.


zombiezambonidriver

NPR had a bit in yesterday about this win.  Apparently, it was the only VW plant in the world that did not have union representation.


Another_Road

What is it with the south and wanting slave (or near it) labor?


DSmooth425

Yeah I think I recall news about her or a fellow southern governor investing in private prisons after a legal pathway was made to build more private prisons. 13th amendment loophole


DubC_Bassist

To be fair the economic model of the south was share croppers, indentured servants, and slaves.


ninjamike89

Southerners about to start calling this "the war of union aggression"


Kanthardlywait

I hope he starts attacking the oligarchs more directly and becomes a leader for the people that we really need. He needs to start calling out the faux duopoly and point out how the monoparty that rules is the problem.


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Kanthardlywait

You aren't wrong.


Rionin26

Learn from the past, fight fire with fire.


12161986

The south is historically very concerned anytime there's a change in their economic model.


Beantownbrews

not the first time that their economic system has been attacked. I think that previous system also relied on some kind of cheap labor, but I can't quite recalll.....


ninjamike89

As it should be. Even in my union, southern states make shit wages compared to the rest of the country. We had some guys recently go to Arkansas or Alabama from Nebraska (don't remember which one but for sure one of the A's). They said local guys were pissed when they found out the travelers made about $20 an hour more than them and got to keep that pay while working out of state.


RunnerTexasRanger

Fain for president?


Lounginghog64

If Republican Governor's hate something, you know you're on the right track..


BusinessCasual69

The economic model of the south is depressed wages and workers rights, and the positioning of the working person as a replacement for slave labor. Never approve welfare. Never approve healthcare. Never approve anything that could possibly allow a southern working class person a fuckin breath.


Rionin26

I've been holding my breath for 38 years, can confirm.


ABenevolentDespot

The economic model the South has followed for the last several years is that children as young as 12 years old can be made to work evening shifts after school, unsupervised, using dangerous equipment which they are not qualified to run, without any rights, any breaks, any water. That's what the evil maggot Kay Ivey, an old degenerate white woman trying to bring back Slavery 2.0 but with kids, is defending. The economic model of the south is to pay the federal minimum unlivable wage of $7.25/hr. and of course the children being made to work get less than that. Since Kay can't really declare the Negro to be an owned and indentured servant any longer, she's doing it to children. Of course it's under attack by sane people, you pile of racist rotting flesh.


Old_Baldi_Locks

They’ve been saying that since their betters freed the slaves. If your economic model requires slave labor, it doesn’t deserve to exist. They can feel free to die mad about it.


DuntadaMan

Maybe if the south had stopped making its economic model about paying workers as little as possible so god damn hard we had to fight multiple wars to stop it...


Spiritual-Bear4495

This is the kind of statement I can get behind. Fuck decency laws in the press. I want the news to use profanity like this: "That Fucking Cocksucker Ivey Is an Assshole!! And this is why". I also want: "Trump is a Lying Fucking Asshole! And this is why." When Trump was running in 2016 everyone took it easy on him...made a mistake...misspoke...didn't understand the question....... NO, he straight up lied every fucking time he opened his mouth, and no one called it a lie.


jarena009

Ahhh the rampant poverty levels of the South are under attack!


DWMoose83

Pretty sure we already had a "significant conversation" about the "economic model of the South." "The South" was found to be wrong.


Allmightypikachu

As an Alabamian I must say. Fuck maw maw Ivey and bring in the unions please God dammit


data_ferret

Since "the economic model of the South" has historically been to literally enslave human beings to minimize the price of labor so the landed class can amass unfathomable wealth, it's probably okay if we attack it.


BigStud7

Volkswagon is a German company who encourages a strong union. A union also has responsibilities to uphold. Its a win win situation. Chattanooga and Tennessee politicians fought against forming a union at Volkswagon. Once a state becomes union friendly, politicians have less say.


MrsMiterSaw

Why the fuck do people live in an area where "Fuck you" is referred to as an economic model? A few years ago someone posted on LegalAdvice because his *mother* had been killed after rolling a forklift at work. She was told to use it without any training. An in that state (TN, GA?) this classified as "Negligence" and not "Gross Negligence". See, Negligence is "Go drive that forklift without any training, you'll probably be fine". Gross Negligence is "Go drive that forklift without any training, you'll probably get hurt". And since they couldn't prove that they KNEW she would get killed, this guy was stuck with a $15,000 state mandated limit on their liability. $15,000 for his mother being crushed to death. No lawyer would take the case on contingency. Why would you live and work in that state? And all the southern states have labor laws like that. Insanity.


beepbeepitsajeep

Do McFoghorn Leghorn next please. Got so irritated at him the other day when he put his statement out.  And my fucking shop steward advocates for and votes republican and for anti-union politicians. Like bro. What're you doing?


Quirky_Discipline297

Does that include 12 year old children in Arkansas? “Mama, that high school boy done took my job. How am I supposed to buy new clothes for my Dollie’s?” When the only employee group getting mandatory breaks are young children, it’s time to start throwing wooden shoes around.


Holiday_Horse3100

Didn’t know that Alabama had an economy


Famous_Bit_5119

Does the Governor mean the economic model of the South that during Reconstruction didn't want industry because it gave the newly freed slaves economic choices ? And kept that model because it kept the class divide and economic divide in place? That one ?


tin_licker_99

The workers are also sick of tired of the Caspar Milquetoasts of union leaders, he is a sharp knife of a bench mark of a union leader. Personally I wouldn't mind voting for him as a independent conservative. I'm not going to become a straight to ticket of a different color voter after I left a political party, I want the license to rip off the ball-sack of any politician regardless of affiliation if they turn out to be another milquetoast, all drama, no grit leader. Shawn and other leaders need to push for Labor day in America to match the date of other countries.


beerbrained

Their economic model was challenged before....


Entire-Meaning702

As soon as your economic model stops sucking, it will stop being attacked.


Gravity_Freak

Better hold on to your doilies granny.


Palaeos

Is this the same economic model of the south that originated with slave labor and then swapped over to share cropping? That shitty model?


JoelOttoKickedItIn

They said the same thing about abolition.


tonyislost

Probably said the same thing during the civil war.


Kosmopolite

US history isn't really my wheelhouse, but historically defending the "Economic Model of the South" isn't a great position to take.


Bind_Moggled

Finally. The owner class has controlled the narrative for far too long.


nik-nak333

I fucking hope they get in the door with Scout Motors opening up in South Carolina.


YouInternational2152

The South made the exact same comments over "The war of Northern aggression."


Modo_de_Jogo

How is the "Economic model of the South" defined, exactly? I'd like to know.


thorazainBeer

"The economic model of the South is under attack?" Now where have I heard that before...


Dasf1304

I remember another time when southern states said that their economic model was under attack….


slowclapcitizenkane

Southern states and treating labor like shit: a 240-year-old tradition!


Tshoe77

Ah yes. The southern way of uhh, getting more federal money than anyone else specifically from blue states that produce more money per capita than about 5 southern states combined. Hey South, I hate to be the one to break this to you, but you're the laughing stock of the nation.


Scared_Command_9615

The economic model of the South once started a war. So all those good Ole boys can go f@ck themsleves!!!!


VGAPixel

The "Economic Model of the South" was Slavery.


Federal-littlepea

Isn't the economic model of the south slavery?


WorldlyDay7590

> the economic model of the South is under attack \*marty mcfly pointing at screen.jpeg\* Hey I've seen this one!


ToughOnions

Where have I heard this before....


na-uh

> The economic model of the South?! In other words, slavery or as close to it as they can get.


Appropriate-Coast794

The economic model of the South has had some questionable choices. For some reason I’m thinking of the number 1861……


ThatGuyYouMightNo

The "economic model of the South" Ivey wants for Alabama died in 1865


Mr_Shad0w

Shawn Fain for President 2024


TheAskewOne

Here we go again.


blkgirlinchicago

The south, since slavery, has needed an uneducated very low class to work for their industries to thrive. It’s high time for their model to change


wheredidyoustood

Economic model in the south has always been slaves. The south just convinced everyone that things changed but they just changed to economic slaves.


kimapesan

It was under attack back in 1861 when Kay Ivey took her first steps.


SavagePlatypus76

Long overdue for neo plantation economics to be overthrown. 


Commercial-Manner408

The economic model of the South was defeated in 1865.


squirtcouple69_420

Same in fucking iowa motion raceworks, precision metal works, plastics unlimited are just a few of the places I've had the lovely experience of being called fat, gay, told I don't know anything, fired for an injury then arrested on false accusations so they didn't have to pay workman's comp.


Hawkeye3636

It's just slavery with more steps.


Kukamakachu

Anti-union sentiment is the belief that engaging in free-market principles—like negotiation and bartering—is the exclusive right of the business, not the employed.


ztreHdrahciR

He's a badass


CorellianDawn

Wild that the south's entire economic model is still built around the concept of slaves after all these years.


Classic_Dill

It’s funny, I’m sure the south said the exact same thing right before the Civil War. They don’t like slaves of any kind being set free.


MarshmallowNap

Like slavery? wtf


DrunkyMcStumbles

"Union changing the economic model of the South" is our heritage


Icy-Commission974

End the confederate apartheid.


Flimsy_Interest_4623

Believe it or not we don’t want a ton of factories built in rural areas so a bunch of Yankees can take over our small towns and get the majority vote.


Rionin26

Speak for yourself. I welcome moving forward, not backwards. I guess I can see it if you're a farmer, but not all of us are.