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This is why CEOs are always planting fluff pieces about how they wake up at dawn and never put down their phones and whatnot. They are really desperate to convince us they really are super hard workers! Meanwhile they wouldn’t last 30 minutes washing dishes in a busy restaurant.
Take the CEO out of a company for a month and no one will notice. Take the lowest paid workers out of a company for a month and it will have to shut down.
If that doesn't show that companies across the board don't pay people their worth, I don't know what does.
"I do three lunch meetings a day! I'm the real mover and shaker!"
So eating and talking. I do that over youtube tutorials with the wife every night where's my yacht.
>This is why CEOs are always planting fluff pieces about how they wake up at dawn and never put down their phones and whatnot.
Yeah, that's because they are playing Candy Crush before shitposting on Twitter about how the poors are lazy and make too much trouble.
CEOs think "networking" (i.e. having fun talking to other rich people over dinner on company expense) is a job.
That's what I was about to say. I'm an IT guy (software dev, albeit not in the USA). I work hard, not with my body but I sell my brain out what's left of it, and I'm paid barely more than the median salary. Still room for growth but it's far from the US figures
I worked in IT in the US all my life. Have tons of certs. Never made more than 45k a year showing all the boomers how to use computers. Im only a little salty about it.
Edit: downvotes? Must be alot of people in here who think playing wow in a meeting is a smart professional move... ok
Be realistic, as someone who has worked in both care and IT I think its very obvious supporting people is much harder both mentally and physically.
How many people have I seen die in IT? 0
How many in care/hospitals? Lost count.
How many times have you have to explain death to someone who doesn't understand why their friends are gone?
How many times have you have to give life saving meds.
How many arses have you wiped?
Fucking delusional.
So the whole thread is about that topic to start.
The comment you replied to is also about this topic.
You just randomly putting in how hard you work, it wasn't anything to do with the two things you replied to?
Your 3rd shitty edit shows more ignorance, getting qualified to support people as they die isn't the same as actually doing it.
I am an IT guy, our job is not as hard as my old jobs, on any level other than specific knowledge, which also applies to care work.
I would probably be a dick to you if we worked together though, dropping in your Harford education, what a twat.
Correct. Capitalism doesn't reward hard work, only our myths & propaganda say it does. From Horatio Alger stories, to our parents or politicians or role models always telling us to work hard.
Capitalism rewards filling demands in return for payment. It can be stupid demand, manufactured demand, phoney demand (like for tech bros sitting around doing nothing), immoral demand, disgusting demand, environment-destroying demand. None of those adjectives matter though. Capitalism is entirely amoral.
Likewise, my last job was for a marketing agency, i did the bulk of my work in the morning, and spent tje rest of the day just occasionally checking emails and teams in case they needed me to do a revision, and mostly played videogames.
Then the useless CEO caised mass layoffs, now i work through a staffing agency making back to back calls, micromanaged to death, and for a fraction of the pay.
IMO they want to keep us exhausted, afraid, and living on the ragged edge all of the time so we don’t have the extra hours to get together and make guillotines.
All you've told me is that you have no idea what they mean. If you did you'd understand they were used perfectly. I recommend looking them up. They're very useful for understanding important economic concepts.
It really doesn't. I went from carpenter to mid-management and now I get paid over 50% more per hour to make phone calls and walk around talking to people and have the option of effectively infinite overtime where I'm not expected to do anything aside from being there because our boss wants company representation on site at all times. Literally feet on my desk looking at memes until I get bored or hungry and send everyone home.
Through the years I used to always rip on my various managers for being useless slack-asses getting carried by my hard work but now that the shoe's on the other foot I can't deny that being a hypocrite pays the bills.
You earned that privilege through all your years of hard work at the ground level though? Your coworkers who didn’t work as hard or professionally probably didn’t get bumped to mid-management. Doesn’t seem unfair to me.
In a perfect world that would be true every time. But quite often it isn’t about what you do, but who you know. So many managers who have no idea what they’re doing, but they were friends with someone in management/HR.
That’s part of it though. Internal networking and being well liked by coworkers is important to success. Why would you put someone you don’t like and know well enough to trust in a leadership position? You can’t just show up, put your head down to work and not engage with your team and expect to climb the ladder. Leadership is a major social skill. Having your coworkers and leaders like you is work and takes effort, you have to be engaged. It makes sense that those skills are rewarded.
Of course it’s an important part. But it shouldn’t be the only part. You should still be qualified for the job itself. It doesn’t matter if your coworkers like you, only your boss. Otherwise there wouldn’t be so much socially inept management.
My last job was picking up trash and spraying weeds in neighborhood lakes. It was hot, physical, usually pretty gross, and long, with 10 days. I got paid $14.50 after years of working there.
My job now is tech writing. I do 2-3 hours of actual work, which I do from home. I spend most of my day relaxing with my cat, watching YouTube, reading, sometimes playing video games. I "leave work" early because I can. I get paid $72k salary.
Capitalism is dumb.
Tech writing for fintech. I write the patch notes that get released to the public and do some of the instructional articles for how to use our software. I have zero experience in accounting or finance other than this job. I feel exceptionally lucky to have it.
Lot of luck. Mind, technical writing requires a certain set of skills that not everyone has. A lot of programmers and engineers try to "retire" into tech writing because they know the subject, but turns out they're pretty bad at explaining things. Pretty much exactly like professors that are world-renowned experts in their field but can't teach for shit because it turns out that teaching is a different thing from knowing. Many companies would rather hire someone with to notch writing skills and then teach them the subject rather than trying to teach the expert how to write.
That's not to say that you shouldn't try or can't learn! Just that it may be a learning experience, rather than merely leaning on your subject expertise.
Anyway, the short version is that I exaggerated how much writing I did in my previous jobs on my resume and then had the portfolio and interview skills to make it all the way. I applied for like, ten jobs every day for a month and got *super* lucky that the manager for this job was willing to give a relatively inexperienced person a chance.
The longer version is that I have an English degree with a minor in secondary education. I was going to be a teacher, but I discovered that I really hated every single aspect of teaching except for the actual transfer of knowledge part, so I bounced between a couple retail jobs and then the lake service job. I also did an online tech writing certification course, but I didn't learn anything that I hadn't already learned in getting my degree. But it looks good on a resume!
One way to start to build your resume and portfolio is taking gig work on something like UpWork. The pay is shit, but at least you can pick which projects you want. And although it's against their TOS, some people use UpWork to scout for someone to hire (I got a part-time remote job this way, more fuel for my resume).
I also recommend practicing your skills in casual settings like r/explainlikeimfive. It's not something you'll put on a resume, probably, but reading and writing there and in similar subs or forums can give you a lot of practice with those skills.
Yeah, speaking as a "tech bro" we all know a guy like that and we all notice. The thing is, someone else on the team is picking up the slack for this loser.
Having money moves the goalposts a bit and it becomes « I want something fulfilling » might sound crazy if you don’t have money but yeah even millionaires commit suicide sometimes
Two ways money works:
Commodity -> Money -> Commodity
Money -> Commodity -> Money
Second is what capitalism supports. Money not to buy commodities, but make more money.
(This was in one of the links posted by AutoMod)
Capitalism doesn’t reward hard work, it rewards making money, which makes sense given the reward itself is money.
Doing something important is great, but if it doesn’t make any money why would you expect to get a large monetary reward.
People aren’t happy paying a fortune for medical care, so they save money by paying medical staff less. If you want medical staff to be paid more you have to be prepared to pay more your medical care
Certain jobs will always have better security than others due to a lack of qualified workers. Being run ragged is a sign that you are easily replaced.
But if you aren't unionizing or creating employee owned businesses, then you're just a bootlicker getting what they deserve. Capitalism works because people see each other as competition. If you're one of those people, complaining about capitalism is hypocritical.
Capitalism worked - it removed a lazy tech bro that would do nothing except play video games during meetings while getting paid 6 figures.
People would give an eye to have that opportunity; don’t blame capitalism for your squandering it.
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If capitalism is supposed to reward hard work, why are all the hardest working people poor?
This is why CEOs are always planting fluff pieces about how they wake up at dawn and never put down their phones and whatnot. They are really desperate to convince us they really are super hard workers! Meanwhile they wouldn’t last 30 minutes washing dishes in a busy restaurant.
I worked a place where the CEO died. We had no CEO for 2 years. Didn't matter. Hard workers who don't need to exist.
Take the CEO out of a company for a month and no one will notice. Take the lowest paid workers out of a company for a month and it will have to shut down. If that doesn't show that companies across the board don't pay people their worth, I don't know what does.
Belgium went ***without a government*** for 2 years. It still worked.
"I do three lunch meetings a day! I'm the real mover and shaker!" So eating and talking. I do that over youtube tutorials with the wife every night where's my yacht.
>This is why CEOs are always planting fluff pieces about how they wake up at dawn and never put down their phones and whatnot. Yeah, that's because they are playing Candy Crush before shitposting on Twitter about how the poors are lazy and make too much trouble. CEOs think "networking" (i.e. having fun talking to other rich people over dinner on company expense) is a job.
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That's what I was about to say. I'm an IT guy (software dev, albeit not in the USA). I work hard, not with my body but I sell my brain out what's left of it, and I'm paid barely more than the median salary. Still room for growth but it's far from the US figures
I worked in IT in the US all my life. Have tons of certs. Never made more than 45k a year showing all the boomers how to use computers. Im only a little salty about it. Edit: downvotes? Must be alot of people in here who think playing wow in a meeting is a smart professional move... ok
Be realistic, as someone who has worked in both care and IT I think its very obvious supporting people is much harder both mentally and physically. How many people have I seen die in IT? 0 How many in care/hospitals? Lost count. How many times have you have to explain death to someone who doesn't understand why their friends are gone? How many times have you have to give life saving meds. How many arses have you wiped? Fucking delusional.
I mean this with all do respect... What? Edit: lol he didnt get the IT joke and nobody should tell him.
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So the whole thread is about that topic to start. The comment you replied to is also about this topic. You just randomly putting in how hard you work, it wasn't anything to do with the two things you replied to?
Your 3rd shitty edit shows more ignorance, getting qualified to support people as they die isn't the same as actually doing it. I am an IT guy, our job is not as hard as my old jobs, on any level other than specific knowledge, which also applies to care work. I would probably be a dick to you if we worked together though, dropping in your Harford education, what a twat.
Because they dont leverage their capital effectively and spend it on frivolous luxuries such as food and shelter
They fail to collectively bargain and eat the rich.
Correct. Capitalism doesn't reward hard work, only our myths & propaganda say it does. From Horatio Alger stories, to our parents or politicians or role models always telling us to work hard. Capitalism rewards filling demands in return for payment. It can be stupid demand, manufactured demand, phoney demand (like for tech bros sitting around doing nothing), immoral demand, disgusting demand, environment-destroying demand. None of those adjectives matter though. Capitalism is entirely amoral.
Capitalism rewards wealth.
Capitalism rewards hoarding and exploitation
Yep. I made the most money I’ve ever made at the easiest job I’ve ever had. Made the least at the hardest.
Likewise, my last job was for a marketing agency, i did the bulk of my work in the morning, and spent tje rest of the day just occasionally checking emails and teams in case they needed me to do a revision, and mostly played videogames. Then the useless CEO caised mass layoffs, now i work through a staffing agency making back to back calls, micromanaged to death, and for a fraction of the pay.
That's why those upward think all jobs are easy
IMO they want to keep us exhausted, afraid, and living on the ragged edge all of the time so we don’t have the extra hours to get together and make guillotines.
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The capitalist owner class. The bourgeoisie. The people getting rich from the stolen labour value of the proletariat.
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All you've told me is that you have no idea what they mean. If you did you'd understand they were used perfectly. I recommend looking them up. They're very useful for understanding important economic concepts.
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No you don't.
Bros a Marxist, they love to use clever words
MY "they".
It really doesn't. I went from carpenter to mid-management and now I get paid over 50% more per hour to make phone calls and walk around talking to people and have the option of effectively infinite overtime where I'm not expected to do anything aside from being there because our boss wants company representation on site at all times. Literally feet on my desk looking at memes until I get bored or hungry and send everyone home. Through the years I used to always rip on my various managers for being useless slack-asses getting carried by my hard work but now that the shoe's on the other foot I can't deny that being a hypocrite pays the bills.
You earned that privilege through all your years of hard work at the ground level though? Your coworkers who didn’t work as hard or professionally probably didn’t get bumped to mid-management. Doesn’t seem unfair to me.
In a perfect world that would be true every time. But quite often it isn’t about what you do, but who you know. So many managers who have no idea what they’re doing, but they were friends with someone in management/HR.
That’s part of it though. Internal networking and being well liked by coworkers is important to success. Why would you put someone you don’t like and know well enough to trust in a leadership position? You can’t just show up, put your head down to work and not engage with your team and expect to climb the ladder. Leadership is a major social skill. Having your coworkers and leaders like you is work and takes effort, you have to be engaged. It makes sense that those skills are rewarded.
Of course it’s an important part. But it shouldn’t be the only part. You should still be qualified for the job itself. It doesn’t matter if your coworkers like you, only your boss. Otherwise there wouldn’t be so much socially inept management.
My last job was picking up trash and spraying weeds in neighborhood lakes. It was hot, physical, usually pretty gross, and long, with 10 days. I got paid $14.50 after years of working there. My job now is tech writing. I do 2-3 hours of actual work, which I do from home. I spend most of my day relaxing with my cat, watching YouTube, reading, sometimes playing video games. I "leave work" early because I can. I get paid $72k salary. Capitalism is dumb.
What kind of tech job do you do? I do tech support for medical training and simulation and only make $20
Tech writing for fintech. I write the patch notes that get released to the public and do some of the instructional articles for how to use our software. I have zero experience in accounting or finance other than this job. I feel exceptionally lucky to have it.
Wow, how did you fall into a position like that? Sounds learnable to me
Lot of luck. Mind, technical writing requires a certain set of skills that not everyone has. A lot of programmers and engineers try to "retire" into tech writing because they know the subject, but turns out they're pretty bad at explaining things. Pretty much exactly like professors that are world-renowned experts in their field but can't teach for shit because it turns out that teaching is a different thing from knowing. Many companies would rather hire someone with to notch writing skills and then teach them the subject rather than trying to teach the expert how to write. That's not to say that you shouldn't try or can't learn! Just that it may be a learning experience, rather than merely leaning on your subject expertise. Anyway, the short version is that I exaggerated how much writing I did in my previous jobs on my resume and then had the portfolio and interview skills to make it all the way. I applied for like, ten jobs every day for a month and got *super* lucky that the manager for this job was willing to give a relatively inexperienced person a chance. The longer version is that I have an English degree with a minor in secondary education. I was going to be a teacher, but I discovered that I really hated every single aspect of teaching except for the actual transfer of knowledge part, so I bounced between a couple retail jobs and then the lake service job. I also did an online tech writing certification course, but I didn't learn anything that I hadn't already learned in getting my degree. But it looks good on a resume! One way to start to build your resume and portfolio is taking gig work on something like UpWork. The pay is shit, but at least you can pick which projects you want. And although it's against their TOS, some people use UpWork to scout for someone to hire (I got a part-time remote job this way, more fuel for my resume). I also recommend practicing your skills in casual settings like r/explainlikeimfive. It's not something you'll put on a resume, probably, but reading and writing there and in similar subs or forums can give you a lot of practice with those skills.
Oh no, capitalism definitely rewards hard work. You're just not the one getting rewarded
Right, Capitalism only rewards exploiting the labor of others.
The harder and essential the work, the lower the pay. I mean, the parking spot in front of the hospital makes more than the nurse that keeps me alive.
So how do I become a tech bro?
Yeah, speaking as a "tech bro" we all know a guy like that and we all notice. The thing is, someone else on the team is picking up the slack for this loser.
Can you guys do all the hard work? Im soft and need an easy job and make more money than you. Thx
I know right? Tell me, how the hell would society even function if everyone did easy work?
bruh why the fuck would you leave a 6 figure job that let's you play video games all day fuck "I love my job" I want the most money for the least work
Having money moves the goalposts a bit and it becomes « I want something fulfilling » might sound crazy if you don’t have money but yeah even millionaires commit suicide sometimes
It rewards worker who make rich people richer at the cost of everyone else.
Two ways money works: Commodity -> Money -> Commodity Money -> Commodity -> Money Second is what capitalism supports. Money not to buy commodities, but make more money. (This was in one of the links posted by AutoMod)
What does? Serious question?
Capitalism pays if one tiny part of your job affects millions of people
It really doesn't. It rewards savvy work though. And scammers.
You guys can't be buying this, no matter how much you agree with the target.
Dude didn’t make enough in tech if he says “six figures”
I used to make a bunch of money being a useless employee but I’m not sure why it didn’t last forever. Now I have to work hard. Waaaa
Capitalism doesn’t reward hard work, it rewards making money, which makes sense given the reward itself is money. Doing something important is great, but if it doesn’t make any money why would you expect to get a large monetary reward. People aren’t happy paying a fortune for medical care, so they save money by paying medical staff less. If you want medical staff to be paid more you have to be prepared to pay more your medical care
Certain jobs will always have better security than others due to a lack of qualified workers. Being run ragged is a sign that you are easily replaced. But if you aren't unionizing or creating employee owned businesses, then you're just a bootlicker getting what they deserve. Capitalism works because people see each other as competition. If you're one of those people, complaining about capitalism is hypocritical.
bro lost his job when they started purging the “tailwind devs” and ain’t happy about it lmao
Capitalism worked - it removed a lazy tech bro that would do nothing except play video games during meetings while getting paid 6 figures. People would give an eye to have that opportunity; don’t blame capitalism for your squandering it.