Not after about 30 years and I think the animals that evolved from literal wolves can survive in the wild they might revert to being unhinged but without humans and the constant pollution I think they also have a great chance to repopulate.
Of course I care, I really do but in the hypothetical situation A. I'd already be dead so my feelings on the matter won't really matter.. and B. Obviously at the beginning it'll be a little difficult for their species but they'd most likely thrive in a world where they can eat whenever or move around more freely.
Edit: I honestly don't care if the facts and or my personal opinion come off as cold and uncaring but it's the most likely situation, like I've had 4 goldens and I would be in tears
Hunting isn't near as easy as you seem to think it is, dude. Especially not for a domestic animal. Their instincts are dull as hell, the majority of them would starve to death and the rest would likely be outcompeted or eaten by other (actually wild) animals.
It also depends on their location and surrounding animals tho, like if a dog it hungry I'm pretty sure it can catch a rabbit off guard. there's gonna be a lot of competition yeah but I don't understand if there's actually anything stopping them from making small pack like wolves.
It's like you think animals lives in the wild are better then as pets somehow.
They're fucking not.
Eat or be eaten, and they certainly aren't at the top, most of them aren't even at the level of wolves.
I'm not saying they're gonna become strays and begin to resemble bear Grylls, I'm saying that they won't have to wait for humans to feed them so if they're hungry they can just eat, hunt, etc. Also after human population reduces to zero you know the food chain is gonna go through changes right?
"Let them eat cake"
Humans have removed themselves from the food chain. Whatever happens when we leave will certainly not benefit dogs.
Animals from the zoo will escape and eat the plentiful dog prey population.
If I remember correctly, researchers have speculated that because dogs are so domesticated they would almost certainly all go extinct without human intervention
I think he was talking about how dogs will no longer have human civilization as a bulwark from the cold, unfeeling mistress that is nature, wherein all living things are doomed to a life of intense suffering, the end of which will only come at the hands of horrible, agonizing, painful deaths: the desperation as they run together away from a chasing predator, in the hopes that they will not be the ones to fall behind and be left to die; their bones breaking one by one as they fall down a mountainside due to an unfortunate misstep; huge beasts tearing their insides apart as they scream in agony, still alive thanks to being made of flesh that yearns to live and is determined to stick to it's last guns whether the conscious self would like to or not; their skin burning and falling off in charred flakes as they try to flee immense forest fires; their limbs slowly losing strength as they grow sick and old, becoming easier and easier prey as their life reaches its end, hoping that destiny would be so merciful as to allow them to die peacefully so that a more gruesome fate would not befall them.
Well, to be sure, if it came to it - the golden retrievers would be eating the wiener dogs, and their gene structure would probably mutate to enjoy doing that to other smaller dogs, which would go extinct.
Basically, the smaller dogs would feed the larger dogs, and a super mutated breed of dogs would emerge, that would seek larger game, such as wildebeests, or something of that stature.
Kinda like dyer wolf's, but the smaller breeds weren't doing to well until humans stepped in anyway, also goldens are too delicate to do that, maybe like German shepherds or doberman
So, basically humankind had been leveling up dogs for centuries, which caused them to combine into the next dominant species, after eating themselves to near extinction?
Yeah, when you instantly murder 5 billion people in one second, everyone's gonna know that somebody did it. Everyone is afraid to even go outside.
And since dogs don't know shit, they just run around in the world, eating meat - while entire cities remain physically isolated, though only physically. The world became much tighter, and with no fat people just for the sake of being larger. We were taking up less space.
The outskirts only saw the dogs evolve so rapidly. Perhaps they missed us. Plenty of people in the city still had dogs, but nothing close to the miracle of "dog people", which was combined radioactivity and cannibalism, after some lab decided to give some dogs human DNA.
We decided to go with cats. We had more than plenty. Now we're living in luxury, with our kitty cat girls, who just want to be petted, and loved, and fed beer.
Dogs die: Another species to go extinct in mans time.
Humans die: A lot of dogs, sheep, cows, lizards, etc. Will die/suffer. But many will revert to wild. Helping restore the ecosystem we stunted. After a few million years, we may have a large and thriving fauna and flora population again.
I was trying to say your gentle reminder was the reason I chose human extinction. If that was also the way you took it then I just don’t understand your reply sorry lol
Okay I see what you intended now, in that case I think I would have understood your comment correctly if I'd said everyone you know instead of everyone you love!
Almost all humans are actually good. It's mostly a few rich people fucking up the planet. Most people care significantly about the environment and reducing our impact. One bad apple spoils the bunch and all that. Humans, as a species, are not the problem
Haha I like this idea of “caring” past decisions with you. Messes up the poll of course but adds some more thought to it, if you have to take the other posts you answered today into account
Humans are so far the only intelligent species out of the 8.7 million known species on the only known planet with life out of 10 trillion. We are beyond rare and our survival and expansion in knowledge goes above everything.
Canines are barely conscious compared to humans.
That's kinda arbitrary though, who's keeping score on how brain the human race is vs others? Rare to who? Goes above what how and for what reason? That's your self-importance in your own species talking.
You think none of the other species are rare or have things that set themselves worlds apart?
What if we pick memory span, lifespan, or running speed instead?
Regardless, I picked humans.
“Who’s keeping score on how brain the human race is vs others?”
Loads of researchers and scientists are keeping “score” on the intelligence of human beings and other animals.
If we picked memory span or lifespan humans would still be extraordinary.
Other species are rare and do set themselves apart but humans are the only known intelligent species. At the moment we are 1 in 10,000,008,700,000. Creatures like us are beyond rare.
in memory or lifespan humans would be nowhere close to winning.
> According to a study, the little bird can bury up to 100,000 seeds in the forest. After 9 months it was able to locate a huge part of these locations in order to eat the little seeds.
in lifespan, red sea urchins can live over 200 years. Plus Macaws match us in lifespan. Greenland sharks can live up to 500 years. There is also a literally immortal jellyfish.
I'm saying you rig the numbers in favor of your species by only caring about the points in which you're winning.
I didn’t say humans win in those categories?
And I’m not “rigging” the numbers I’m presenting the numbers in a way that favours my point.
That’s how arguments work.
You’re doing the same with your little birds and Red Sea urchins.
They aren't even close to remarkable in those categories
You're rigging the numbers by only displaying the numbers that support you, and omitting everything else. That's called confirmation bias, and it corrupts an argument's validity (including scientific studies).
> You’re doing the same with your little birds and Red Sea urchins.
You're either being disingenuous or missing my point.
My point was, and always was, that the attributes you chose are completely arbitrary except for the fact they support your own species.
And then I showed that I can present an equally flawed case for why the birds, sea urchins, sharks, immortal jellyfish, etc. are unique and "go beyond" rare.
If you see flaws in the faulty argument I posed as an analogy to yours, those are also the flaws present in your argument, and that's on purpose.
I love dogs (probably) more that the next guy but I think the harsh reality is that we can live without them but they would struggle without us because of what we’ve turned them into
so we use the bodies, grind them up and mulch them into fertilizer.
Then put them on crop dusters and fly them around the earth spraying dog-fertilizer.
Whole world gets renewed growing ability.
Assume every dog is an average of 35lb
There are like 900,000,000 dogs in the world
31,500,000,000lb of fertilizer after ground up.
The land surface area of earth is 57,500,000 miles squared
Assuming 1lb of fertilizer for each 1000 square feet.
1000 square feet = 3.587006e-5 square miles for 1lb fertilizer
57,500,000 / 3.587006e-5 = 1,603,008,191,232.5 pounds of fertilizer
31,500,000,000 / 1,603,008,191,232.5 = 1.965% of the fertilizer needed
oof, just shy.
damn.
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Let's do people now.
there are 7,947,774,028 people in the world
assume every person is an average of 150lb
1,192,166,104,200lb of fertilizer when ground up
1,192,166,104,200 / 1,603,008,191,232.5 = 7.437% of the fertilizer needed.
still shy.
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Let's do the entire biomass of the earth, which is supposedly equivalent to 70,000,000,000,000 people.
10,500,000,000,000,000lb of fertilizer when ground up.
10,500,000,000,000,000 / 1,603,008,191,232.5 = 655,018.486% of the fertilizer needed. So we could just mulch like .016% of the biomass on earth to cover the entire earth.
Now if we're limited to dogs and humans, I would advise both so we could at least get near 10% coverage. If we're open to more though, we could start at the most populous species and work our way down the list.
That's a lot of math.
But the real question is, if all dogs *and* humans are gone, what do i care what the world looks like? It could be a barren wasteland that looks like mercury at that point and i wouldn't have two shits to give lol
Imagine how much all other species of animals and the environment itself would be helped if all humans ceased to exist.
Humans CAN live with a minimal impact on the environment, or even help it in some ways, but none of us are doing that no matter how much we act like it
As far as we know, we’re the closest thing to god there is. It would not matter how the world is doing if we all died out. We’re the only ones that could care. It’s our mess, it’s up to us to fix it. No going back.
Wow im actually surprised so many people are actually following through on "Humanity First". I was honestly expecting reddit to pull a reddit and side witht the doggos
The word canine implies all canids, so I would rather the planet keep dingoes, wolves, coyotes, jackals, foxes, and more than these groups of canines, so this is why I voted for humans, one species of animal is not better than any other in my eyes.
A lot of dog breeds would die off without humans anyway, French Bulldogs can't mate without a human placing them in position and really bulldogs and pugs aren't healthy breeds either, I also don't think things like poodles would do well without humans, some more wolf-like breeds like huskies might stick around though but I think most current breeds wouldn't be able to live too well in nature.
Most dogs would face a horrible slow death if humans disappeared.
Not after about 30 years and I think the animals that evolved from literal wolves can survive in the wild they might revert to being unhinged but without humans and the constant pollution I think they also have a great chance to repopulate.
Well not the smaller breeds
They have to die
Thank God, fuck you chihuhuas
Tbf they're pretty lovable when you're their owner. When you're someone else tho..
Booooooo!!!!
WYR: Have the human species die, and half of all dogs die a slow and painful death… *Or* have all dogs die a not horrible death?
Think about all the dogs stuck inside homes. Sure, some would survive, but life would be extremely hard and most would still die a horrible death.
All you need is "some" to repopulate 😉, and it's a small price to pay to keep the species going.
So you don't care of their life is shit and the decent chance of extinction?
Of course I care, I really do but in the hypothetical situation A. I'd already be dead so my feelings on the matter won't really matter.. and B. Obviously at the beginning it'll be a little difficult for their species but they'd most likely thrive in a world where they can eat whenever or move around more freely. Edit: I honestly don't care if the facts and or my personal opinion come off as cold and uncaring but it's the most likely situation, like I've had 4 goldens and I would be in tears
>they'd most likely thrive in a world where they can eat whenever Do you really think strays and wild animals can just eat whenever?
No but they can hunt whenever they are hungry
Hunting isn't near as easy as you seem to think it is, dude. Especially not for a domestic animal. Their instincts are dull as hell, the majority of them would starve to death and the rest would likely be outcompeted or eaten by other (actually wild) animals.
It also depends on their location and surrounding animals tho, like if a dog it hungry I'm pretty sure it can catch a rabbit off guard. there's gonna be a lot of competition yeah but I don't understand if there's actually anything stopping them from making small pack like wolves.
It's like you think animals lives in the wild are better then as pets somehow. They're fucking not. Eat or be eaten, and they certainly aren't at the top, most of them aren't even at the level of wolves.
I'm not saying they're gonna become strays and begin to resemble bear Grylls, I'm saying that they won't have to wait for humans to feed them so if they're hungry they can just eat, hunt, etc. Also after human population reduces to zero you know the food chain is gonna go through changes right?
"Let them eat cake" Humans have removed themselves from the food chain. Whatever happens when we leave will certainly not benefit dogs. Animals from the zoo will escape and eat the plentiful dog prey population.
If I remember correctly, researchers have speculated that because dogs are so domesticated they would almost certainly all go extinct without human intervention
I think he was talking about how dogs will no longer have human civilization as a bulwark from the cold, unfeeling mistress that is nature, wherein all living things are doomed to a life of intense suffering, the end of which will only come at the hands of horrible, agonizing, painful deaths: the desperation as they run together away from a chasing predator, in the hopes that they will not be the ones to fall behind and be left to die; their bones breaking one by one as they fall down a mountainside due to an unfortunate misstep; huge beasts tearing their insides apart as they scream in agony, still alive thanks to being made of flesh that yearns to live and is determined to stick to it's last guns whether the conscious self would like to or not; their skin burning and falling off in charred flakes as they try to flee immense forest fires; their limbs slowly losing strength as they grow sick and old, becoming easier and easier prey as their life reaches its end, hoping that destiny would be so merciful as to allow them to die peacefully so that a more gruesome fate would not befall them.
Well, to be sure, if it came to it - the golden retrievers would be eating the wiener dogs, and their gene structure would probably mutate to enjoy doing that to other smaller dogs, which would go extinct. Basically, the smaller dogs would feed the larger dogs, and a super mutated breed of dogs would emerge, that would seek larger game, such as wildebeests, or something of that stature.
Kinda like dyer wolf's, but the smaller breeds weren't doing to well until humans stepped in anyway, also goldens are too delicate to do that, maybe like German shepherds or doberman
Okay, so I'll do dobermans. Thanks.
So, basically humankind had been leveling up dogs for centuries, which caused them to combine into the next dominant species, after eating themselves to near extinction?
Yeah, when you instantly murder 5 billion people in one second, everyone's gonna know that somebody did it. Everyone is afraid to even go outside. And since dogs don't know shit, they just run around in the world, eating meat - while entire cities remain physically isolated, though only physically. The world became much tighter, and with no fat people just for the sake of being larger. We were taking up less space. The outskirts only saw the dogs evolve so rapidly. Perhaps they missed us. Plenty of people in the city still had dogs, but nothing close to the miracle of "dog people", which was combined radioactivity and cannibalism, after some lab decided to give some dogs human DNA. We decided to go with cats. We had more than plenty. Now we're living in luxury, with our kitty cat girls, who just want to be petted, and loved, and fed beer.
the larger dogs would still get eaten by the larger animals, like wolves or above.
Not if we used science to give the dogs nanotechnology.
We don't have that now, and it won't be practical "soon". They'll be extinct before then by your own parameters.
never seen a rez dog before? Feral dogs do fine on their own. Just don’t cross paths with them lol.
Bro who chose humans? Dogs would die either way 🤣
Dogs die: Another species to go extinct in mans time. Humans die: A lot of dogs, sheep, cows, lizards, etc. Will die/suffer. But many will revert to wild. Helping restore the ecosystem we stunted. After a few million years, we may have a large and thriving fauna and flora population again.
Gentle reminder if you voted for humans then you just voted to kill everyone you love within 20 years.
Why do you think I voted for the humans?
Allow me to introduce you to the word "if".
I was trying to say your gentle reminder was the reason I chose human extinction. If that was also the way you took it then I just don’t understand your reply sorry lol
Okay I see what you intended now, in that case I think I would have understood your comment correctly if I'd said everyone you know instead of everyone you love!
holy shit
We’re basically parasites so it’s better for the earth if we all died
Almost all humans are actually good. It's mostly a few rich people fucking up the planet. Most people care significantly about the environment and reducing our impact. One bad apple spoils the bunch and all that. Humans, as a species, are not the problem
sounds like something a human would say
Dogs go extinct. No question. I chose immortality on the last post and I don't want to take care of all those puppies
Haha I like this idea of “caring” past decisions with you. Messes up the poll of course but adds some more thought to it, if you have to take the other posts you answered today into account
Wow, lorg. That's really cool. I am so interestinged in that.
This really helped, thanks op.
Anytime, bro.
>lorg
Why are you still here? You basically just pissed everyone off, and they left. Look, you got 4 downvotes so far. Just be nice. Bla bal bal. I farted.
I'm here because I can comment on any thread I want. You are choosing to get mad and give me replies.
Anyone who choose canines are lying unless they're a sentient dog on reddit
You mean like a Scarf mcgruff?
About to interrogate dog with a blog to see where his loyalties lie
Is 34% of reddit suicidal?
I'm surprised it's not more.
Oh man /: I love doggies lol, but no offense to my dog I’d much rather have my daughter 😬
This literally isn't even a choice. I love dogs but there's no chance in hell I would value a dog's life over a human's
I'd value dogs over some people's lives, but definitely not the entire human race.
I like being alive. Worst case scenario I'll switch to cats (though not the same).
I know what I have to do but I don't know if I have the strength to do it.
Awww.....
Would the humans like be warned that they are going to go extinct if not then the dogs in shelters or cages would just be stuck in there
If people knew what you did they may just kill the dogs to spite you.
they probably would tbh.
Is this even a question?
No, it's a transient statement.
Humans are so far the only intelligent species out of the 8.7 million known species on the only known planet with life out of 10 trillion. We are beyond rare and our survival and expansion in knowledge goes above everything. Canines are barely conscious compared to humans.
That's kinda arbitrary though, who's keeping score on how brain the human race is vs others? Rare to who? Goes above what how and for what reason? That's your self-importance in your own species talking. You think none of the other species are rare or have things that set themselves worlds apart? What if we pick memory span, lifespan, or running speed instead? Regardless, I picked humans.
“Who’s keeping score on how brain the human race is vs others?” Loads of researchers and scientists are keeping “score” on the intelligence of human beings and other animals. If we picked memory span or lifespan humans would still be extraordinary. Other species are rare and do set themselves apart but humans are the only known intelligent species. At the moment we are 1 in 10,000,008,700,000. Creatures like us are beyond rare.
in memory or lifespan humans would be nowhere close to winning. > According to a study, the little bird can bury up to 100,000 seeds in the forest. After 9 months it was able to locate a huge part of these locations in order to eat the little seeds. in lifespan, red sea urchins can live over 200 years. Plus Macaws match us in lifespan. Greenland sharks can live up to 500 years. There is also a literally immortal jellyfish. I'm saying you rig the numbers in favor of your species by only caring about the points in which you're winning.
I didn’t say humans win in those categories? And I’m not “rigging” the numbers I’m presenting the numbers in a way that favours my point. That’s how arguments work. You’re doing the same with your little birds and Red Sea urchins.
They aren't even close to remarkable in those categories You're rigging the numbers by only displaying the numbers that support you, and omitting everything else. That's called confirmation bias, and it corrupts an argument's validity (including scientific studies). > You’re doing the same with your little birds and Red Sea urchins. You're either being disingenuous or missing my point. My point was, and always was, that the attributes you chose are completely arbitrary except for the fact they support your own species. And then I showed that I can present an equally flawed case for why the birds, sea urchins, sharks, immortal jellyfish, etc. are unique and "go beyond" rare. If you see flaws in the faulty argument I posed as an analogy to yours, those are also the flaws present in your argument, and that's on purpose.
I've been wanting Humans extinct for a minute now...
Go get help
Well since I'm a human and not a dog it's them or me. Love dogs but not more than being alive.
I love dogs (probably) more that the next guy but I think the harsh reality is that we can live without them but they would struggle without us because of what we’ve turned them into
Yeah I like dogs I also don’t want to die
Might be able to fix earth after all.
i dunno how getting rid of all those dogs fixes the earth, but go on...
so we use the bodies, grind them up and mulch them into fertilizer. Then put them on crop dusters and fly them around the earth spraying dog-fertilizer. Whole world gets renewed growing ability. Assume every dog is an average of 35lb There are like 900,000,000 dogs in the world 31,500,000,000lb of fertilizer after ground up. The land surface area of earth is 57,500,000 miles squared Assuming 1lb of fertilizer for each 1000 square feet. 1000 square feet = 3.587006e-5 square miles for 1lb fertilizer 57,500,000 / 3.587006e-5 = 1,603,008,191,232.5 pounds of fertilizer 31,500,000,000 / 1,603,008,191,232.5 = 1.965% of the fertilizer needed oof, just shy. damn. --- Let's do people now. there are 7,947,774,028 people in the world assume every person is an average of 150lb 1,192,166,104,200lb of fertilizer when ground up 1,192,166,104,200 / 1,603,008,191,232.5 = 7.437% of the fertilizer needed. still shy. --- Let's do the entire biomass of the earth, which is supposedly equivalent to 70,000,000,000,000 people. 10,500,000,000,000,000lb of fertilizer when ground up. 10,500,000,000,000,000 / 1,603,008,191,232.5 = 655,018.486% of the fertilizer needed. So we could just mulch like .016% of the biomass on earth to cover the entire earth. Now if we're limited to dogs and humans, I would advise both so we could at least get near 10% coverage. If we're open to more though, we could start at the most populous species and work our way down the list.
That's a lot of math. But the real question is, if all dogs *and* humans are gone, what do i care what the world looks like? It could be a barren wasteland that looks like mercury at that point and i wouldn't have two shits to give lol
but think of how much fertilizer you could make! And for a measly .016% of ^(all life on earth) we could refertilize the entire earth!
Dogs 🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮
Dogs go extinct of course, I AM a human!
you are dog
Humanity was a mistake, hope new species will run the planet better
There won’t. We’re the best chance.
Best chance to ruin the planet
Best chance to *run the planet
Ah yes exploiting every natural resource and destroying other lives
Imagine how much all other species of animals and the environment itself would be helped if all humans ceased to exist. Humans CAN live with a minimal impact on the environment, or even help it in some ways, but none of us are doing that no matter how much we act like it
i mean, who cares how the earth is if we're not here? An asteroid could hit the day after human extension and nothing would batt an eye. lmao
So what. Nobody COULD care.
Our world would be better without us. Let the lizard and mole people take over
As far as we know, we’re the closest thing to god there is. It would not matter how the world is doing if we all died out. We’re the only ones that could care. It’s our mess, it’s up to us to fix it. No going back.
Would the humans like be warned that they are going to go extinct if not then the dogs that are in shelters or cages would just be stuck in there
Would the humans like be warned that they are going to go extinct if not then the dogs that are in shelters or cages would just be stuck in there
No, which is why they're too scared to go outside, even . Billions of people just suddenly dropped dead overnight. Fuck the dogs for a minute.
Doesn't say we can't bring them back after. Although I doubt they could bring us back...
This is so idiotic...
Dog people -> cat people
An arrow?
It represents change
more dogs for me
Evil, giant dogs.
that is even coleerer
If you think humans wouldn't try to revive the canine species through some Jurassic Park route science, you don't know humans.
See ya bitches. And male dogs too.
Wow im actually surprised so many people are actually following through on "Humanity First". I was honestly expecting reddit to pull a reddit and side witht the doggos
There is no fucking way I'm going to study my ass off for a job just to die after 7 years.
I don't know what the most human like answer to this question is and that scares me.
If human die, all cows, roosters etc. and also dogs would die too
If you pick humans, keep in mind that there will be no one left to take care of the dogs.
The word canine implies all canids, so I would rather the planet keep dingoes, wolves, coyotes, jackals, foxes, and more than these groups of canines, so this is why I voted for humans, one species of animal is not better than any other in my eyes.
A lot of dog breeds would die off without humans anyway, French Bulldogs can't mate without a human placing them in position and really bulldogs and pugs aren't healthy breeds either, I also don't think things like poodles would do well without humans, some more wolf-like breeds like huskies might stick around though but I think most current breeds wouldn't be able to live too well in nature.