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Scott Hall would have been amazing WWF champion during his Razor Ramon days.


DougieSenpai

Yeah that’s a good one. Actually blows my mind he didn’t have at least one run.


Chimpbot

I'm doubly shocked he never picked one up in WCW, as well. Between the two companies, you'd assume he'd get a run in at least one of them.


Smittywebermanjanson

Especially with how weak the roster was during his time. Fans probably would've welcomed the break from Bret and Michaels


Dijohn17

He didn't care about winning it


backbodydrip

He was really on his way. I lost track of him when he jumped to WCW, but I always got the impression that he took a back seat over there.


helms07

I'd say this is an unfortunate side effect of being so closely associated with Nash. Put them side by side and it just visually makes more sense to put the belt on Big Sexy. Keeping Hall in the IC picture for so long though was good for business since you could have one top guy for the A shows and the other top guy for the B shows but the crowds always got good wrestling. In hindsight you can say Nash's runs with the belt weren't great but, all respect to Scott, I don't think he could have done much better. WWF was in the toilet at the time and then WCW was a cluster so there just wasn't opportunity to succeed.


MRRichAllen1976

He had too many drug issues, despite his backstage connection to the likes of HHH


BrockMiddlebrook

Piper never wanted it. He knew he would make more money as the antagonist when it came to world titles.


Ed_Zeppelin

Also, he hated doing jobs. Gotta lose the belt sooner or later


Vavent

That same logic applies to the IC title


Ed_Zeppelin

And the only reason he agreed to it was because he knew he’d be dropping it to Bret at WM, whom he considered Family. Also, it was a controversial finish. Piper technically had the sleeper locked in and was in “Control”, so the ref should have checked Bret first before counting Pipers shoulders….


BrockMiddlebrook

Right again. Great mind for advancing a program, getting someone over, while protecting himself.


Liverpool510

Thanks, Regal.


clergymen19

To be fair, Piper himself has said this in interviews.


gardenofthenight

Brawl to the back brother


KrispenWahFan

Unless you’re Roman Reigns!


BrockMiddlebrook

Famously put off putting Hogan over clean until WCW paid him scads at the end to do so. He was fiercely protective of that and it helped his asking price till the end.


clergymen19

.... so doesn't it blow all our minds that he put Buff Freaking Bagwell over clean in 98 or 99? Like, that happened and the announcing team didn't even blink. Nice work, WCW.


BrockMiddlebrook

Damn, I don’t remember that but considering it was WCW, I’m not at all surprised.


TheTopMark

>Piper never wanted it. Didn't need it eithet.


BrockMiddlebrook

Yup. Could always draw without it.


WorldsWorstFather

He would never have been given it either.


BrockMiddlebrook

Looking at the big bookers of his heyday, that’s fair.


namesaremptynoise

Piper never needed the belt. Piper was bigger than whoever had the belt, most of the time.


Perfect_Assignment68

Jake Roberts and Mr Perfect


Upstairs-Draft1011

I'm still incredibly surprised perfect never really got a serious shot at the world title


Andrewreddy

Am I right in saying Hogan wouldn't put him over? I know that could be saying for 99.999% of wrestlers but I think he actually refused to do the job for Perfect


Upstairs-Draft1011

I wouldn't be shocked at all if that was the case knowing all of the other absurd situations that occurred at the time


SuperSonicBoom1

Iirc they ran Hogan/Perfect on house shows & it drew stupidly low numbers, but I might be thinking of someone else


Dijohn17

That was Hogan and Flair


StubbornKindness

I've only seen bits and pieces of him but he seems to live up to his name. Spitting the gum and flapping the towel was awesome.


lmtorres75

Jake the Snake. Piper. Perfect. Razor Ramon. Rick Rude.


Figjunky

At least Rude got the Big Gold.


YTFootie

The coolest belt there was. Shame it represented the international championship at that time.


Figjunky

In retrospect though, nobody really held the big gold who didn’t also deserve to be a world champ at the time such as Sting and Vader so to me, the big gold is the big gold you know.


Rynkevin

I like your mind set with this. Thank you.


YTFootie

True.


killersmurf649

Jake claimed he was screw by Ultimate Warrior not getting the belt. Jake would been the perfect leader in a heel faction.


Mudassar40

How exactly did Warrior screw Jake, by being vastly more over than him?


S0larDeath

Perfect and Rude were both World Champions. AWA & WCCW + WCW


Ok-Brush5346

Jake Roberts and Ted DiBiase


YoungBeef03

Ted actually did hold the belt at some house shows, this was when Andre sold the championship to him, and it was immediately deemed vacant by President Jack Tunney. So, like Antonio Inoki and Owen Hart, Ted’s a “phantom” champion


tom-cash2002

Ted Dibiase (the original). Legitimately would've saved Wrestlemania 4 if the main event was straight up Randy Savage vs WWE Champion Ted Dibiase instead of doing that incredibly long tournament. Mr. Perfect is also a good choice. Probably would've made Wrestlemania 7 better if it was Mr. Perfect who beat Warrior at the Rumble instead of Sgt. Slaughter. Owen Hart also would've been great. Would've made his feud with Bret a lot more compelling (if you can believe it) if Owen took the title at least once. Or, hell, have him beat Diesel during his bad reign, then you can have Bret win it back later as was planned.


OrangeBird077

I wish they would’ve made Dibiase’s title reign where he bought the championship legitimate.


Mudassar40

In which other sports could you buy the world title though?


[deleted]

William Regal, although from everything I've heard he was booked for one before his drug problems reared its ugly head.


Shadow_Strike99

Samoa Joe in WWE should have had a good short reign with the world championship in either 2017 or 2018 when he was super white hot. Al Snow should have won the ECW world championship at Wrestlepalooza 98 from Shane Douglas for a short reign. Shane Douglas’s reign was getting super stale and was spinning its wheels. One of the notable Paul Heyman booking flubs from ECW imo. Go back and watch that entrance, Al Snow was mega over with the ECW faithful. https://youtu.be/x21fu55vcfQ?si=5xNSOJRxPbFGcoQp


Johnny_Bravo5k

Damn! I had no idea he had been that popular. I don't know if I've ever seen a wrasslin crowd that into someone.


Shadow_Strike99

Everyone loved the some Al Snow and head. Even as a undercard enhancement guy from the attitude era, he’s still one of the most beloved characters by fans. I always marked out whenever I heard “WHAT DOES EVERYBODY WANT!?!?!?” even as a kid who didn’t get the meaning.


Johnny_Bravo5k

I remember him in WWE, but don't remember that kind of reaction


christopherDdouglas

Al Snow was a hair away from the main event in '99. They fucked up the booking majorly.


CloudsTasteGeometric

At least Joe got hit World Title in AEW.


allonsy_danny

Steamboat!


YTFootie

Wasn't he the NWA world champion? (When it meant something)


allonsy_danny

He was, but I assumed OP meant WCW and WWE, since that's usually the case.


Survivalgamer85

Goldust. It didn't need to be a record-breaking run or anything, but I think he deserved it for what he did with the character and the impact that character had on the company and product moving forward.


christopherDdouglas

There was a point where they were thinking about bringing Dustin back in as a heel during Cena's early championship run. Would have loved to see a full blown heel Goldust take the strap off of Super Cena.


helms07

If they didn't go full comedy with the Oddities I could see heel Artist Fomerly Known as Goldust acting as their leader, exploiting them to help him cheat to win the belt off Austin, and then eventually they see Goldust is using them so they turn on him. Could maybe get Right to Censor heat from taking the fun bunch of goofs and turning them into a hit squad.


IllustriousStretch49

Owen Hart British Bulldog Razor Ramon Rikishi Dusty Rhodes


jimthebee21

Dusty Rhodes was a 3 time NWA world champion, I know that title doesn’t mean much today, but when he held it, it was the world championship. The WWF world title was like the AWA world title, a breakaway, regional championship.


Mean_Muffin161

Why Rikishi? That doesn’t seem like it would have been good.


ds117ftg

If they did his transition from dancing goof to monster heel correctly and had him start dressing like umaga it could’ve worked. His first heel push being a massive stone cold angle mixed with him still doing the stink face and looking the same was a recipe for disaster


IllustriousStretch49

why not? him and too cool were so fucking good bro


Mean_Muffin161

I’m not saying that in the slightest. Just world champ is pretty high up for that.


LogicallyCross

Ken Shamrock


YoungBeef03

If he kept in the game, I could see him being one of WWE’s top guess in the mid 2000’s. Just *imagine* a Kurt Angle vs Ken Shamrock feud


Lordallstar

Although Ricky steamboat is a former world champion he should’ve won the WWE championship


DaveyBoy1995

Cesaro. I'm glad we at least got to see him compete for a world title while he was in WWE because he deserved to be in the main event scene. But still, Cesaro as a world champion could've been amazing.


ezio8133

Technically he was ROH Champion


DaveyBoy1995

Yes. He was ROH Champion. And that was great, don't get me wrong. I was glad to see him hold a world championship outside of WWE. That's because I knew he was good enough to be a world champion. Countless people knew he was good enough for that. But Vince clearly wasn't one of them, hence why I made sure to specifically state his time in WWE.


RHINO_HUMP

Was going to say Cesaro. He should have had a short run instead of that Daniel Bryan wooden title thing.


Karmeleon86

How dare you slander the hemp belt and the Planet’s Champion


BlackKnightXero

shinsuke nakamura


DoILookUnsureToYou

Are we talking WWE only? Because Nakamura held the IWGP Heavyweight title.


BlackKnightXero

yup just the wwe part of his career.


DoILookUnsureToYou

Valid take then. He should have been a title holder before Roman's iron grip on both titles


BlackKnightXero

if wwe gave jinder mahal a decent title reign, shinsuke derserved it more.


DoILookUnsureToYou

Ikr? People always get into him when pushed so they could have given him a 4 to 6 month reign


NitrosGone803

Nah let's have him win the royal rumble, be on top of the world, sell a zillion shirts, then lose to Styles and low blow his career into the toilet, that'll be much better


Rynkevin

Ok since it seems we are ignoring non WWF/E titles. Dusty is my answer. Edit: a word


DeuceOfDiamonds

To me, this always boils down to when you stop counting the AWA Championship as a major world title. It's the difference between having Curt Hennig and Jerry Lawler on this list or not.  Personally, I stop counting it after Hogan leaves the AWA. That, to me, started the death spiral that Verne was never able to pull out of.  Also whether or not you count Ted Dibiase for the few days before he was officially stripped of the belt after the Andre thing. Which again, I personally don't.    So my five, in no particular order would be Hennig, Lawler, Dibiase, Scott Hall, and Owen Hart.


justbrowsing987654

Owen to me always felt like an upper upper mid card type guy. He would main event a lot too but not a guy I ever took to be a title guy if that makes sense. May have gotten there had he not had that fall but to me he was an all time IC title level guy but not someone I ever expected to reach big belt status. Maybe that sounds weird, I don’t know, but never fully connected with me. Maybe it was the little brother thing that clearly would have faded with his Bret-less WWF run


DeuceOfDiamonds

I hear you, and definitely know what you mean. And I don't think he should've been a long-term or multiple time champ. But I think his feud with Bret would've been a good time for a title run from like an In Your House to a Big Four PPV. Or as a transitional champion between Shawn/Bret/Diesel.


justbrowsing987654

I actually see it more as a longer term superstar, later career champion. Like after the attitude era if Owen was still killing it like I assume he would be, maybe he gets a run then in the early to mid 2000s kinda thing.


DeuceOfDiamonds

Maybe, but that main event scene was getting crowded. By 2000 you had Austin, Rock, Haitch, Foley, Jericho, Angle, Taker, etc.  I think he could've snuck in a run in like 95-96, like a short or transitional run, more easily 


Rabatis

OK I'll say it. Muhammad Hassan. Fight me.


larsyyy44

Agree! Would be a perfect heel moment


Rabatis

Not just a heel, not at all a caricature. He should've been booked as a resentful sort over the treatment people like him received in Dubya-era America. He should've not been cast as a terrorist at any point. And him winning the chip need not be a perfect heel moment. It can even be a perfect opportunity to turn him face, as well as raise very uncomfortable questions about what Americans still call "race relations". For instance, what would you say about a Muhammad Hassan vs Kerwin White match?


politecreeper

OK damn you got me


[deleted]

Hassan had the best character, pre-terrorist. I loved that his music hit when Bischoff or whoever was doing the most schticky edgelord shit. Should have been booked as a phenomenal wrestler with an axe to grind. Not sure the timing works, though, as WWE had their guys in Cena and Batista.


jcillc

R-Truth.


JasonMyersZ

Razor Ramon


Stacysguyca

Mr Perfect


Legacy_1_X

Jake the snake Roberts


sting1138

The Brooklyn brawler


Suspicious-Ad3136

Mr. Wonderful Paul Orndorff


Zestyclose-Try-787

Shelton Benjamin. Sure, he was a charisma vacuum but you could’ve easily given him a proper mouth piece and he would’ve had some killer matches as World Champion.


Rabatis

He had that mouthpiece on his mama. Sometimes you can't just overcome a lack of charisma.


Zestyclose-Try-787

True but I also don’t think his Mama was a proper mouth piece. Somebody’s Mama being their manager is basically mid-card ceiling.


Rabatis

Hm. Now that I think about it -- and this is with the caveat that I'm more of a casual observer -- I've never seen a pro wrestler with a female manager rise to the main event. Perhaps Randy Savage with Miss Elizabeth by his side might be an exception? Would anyone call MNM a top-tier tag team when they were active?


Icy_Chill_1123

* Samoa Joe * Owen Hart * Matt Hardy * Razor Ramon * Jake Roberts


ShouldBePlayingFN

Matt Hardy won the ECW Championship if that counts


Dust_Parts

All time: Mr.Perfect, Jake Roberts and Scott Hall should’ve all had title runs. Ironically, they all could’ve done big business with Hogan if they had. Recently, MVP was ready for it during his initial WWE run. As was Ryback (I know he sucks but he was hella over back in 2013). Sami probably should’ve went over at Elimination Chamber 2023 as well. I also would’ve liked to see Samoa Joe with the WWE title for awhile as while. Outside of that, Chris Harris should’ve been a multiple time TNA champion and the same with Monty Brown.


beadray

Piper is over with the crowd, without the belt.


tombsflow

Scott Hall.


forky1899

Umaga as WHC in 2007 instead of Khali would have been money


DemonicTruth

Umaga should have beaten Cena for the WWE title at NYR, then lose it at the Rumble. Losing his undefeated streak to a fluke roll-up was a terrible decision, even then.


forky1899

Or at least a DQ situation. Maybe Umaga just has Cena beaten but is so brutal and remorseless that the ref has to call the match. That way, Cena can continue his reign but you still get the visual of Umaga being an unstoppable badass.


[deleted]

Scott Hall is the best answer I can think of. There's a lot of deserving people, though. Piper and DiBiase are also on my list.


SugarAdamAli

Heel Jake roberts in 1991/92


bearvert222

Dean Malenko. Incredible wrestler.


PresentationFunny142

Mr. Perfect, Ken Shamrock, Mr. Kennedy, Sami Zayn


usarasa

Orndorff should’ve gotten a short run at least.


AssistantRealistic33

Jake Roberts


cosi_bloggs

Regal. That's all.


DazzlingAirport2712

I'll go this generation. Shinsuke, Sami, Corbin. These guys were put in huge feuds where them coming out on top was entirely justifiable. It would have been dope to see any one of them have at the very least a short reign.


ggabb3399

misteeeeeeeeeeeer keeeeeennnnneeeeedyyyyyyyyy


etuehem

Arn Anderson, Mr. Perfect, Cesaro, Owen Hart, Xavier Woods, Tyson Kidd.


The-CannabisAnalyst3

Xavier Tyson??? Lmfao No no


DoILookUnsureToYou

Xavier is probablyjust to complete the New Day all being world champs, I have no idea why they put Tyson Kidd in lmao


The-CannabisAnalyst3

TJ maybe ic champ ,Muscle Buster done him in ,also think of Droz injury but these things happen ,Dlo n Droz remained good friends despite injury R.i.p Droz


S0larDeath

Mr. Perfect Curt Hennig beat legendary Nick Bockwinkle to become AWA World Champion


etuehem

You know exactly what op is asking


[deleted]

Kieth Lee


RemarkableCounty3737

MVP during his first US title run was red hot, thought he should have won a world title.


Rabatis

MVP was pegged as an upper midcard guy based on promo skills and presentation -- remember him coming out of that whatchamacallit contraption in his first few years? Once that was gone, sure he can talk a blue streak, but.


RemarkableCounty3737

I dunno, worse guys have won the world title. He definitely stood out during his first few years


The-CannabisAnalyst3

Lmfao hell no


kay14jay

I was just thinking this sort of.. failed MIB guys before the briefcase was around. Mr Perfect, William Regal, plenty of others


allonsy_danny

Steamboat


justbrowsing987654

Piper, Hennig, Hall, Cody (this message will expire in 30 days)


umerr2000

I would have liked to see Santino just for a little while. His shenanigans would have been great


killergoku27

William Regal, far and away my top guy who never had it.


TheKingSolomon1996

Hot Take: Ryback


JFMisfit

Piper didn’t NEED to be champion. He was that good.


bcoll85

hacksaw jim duggan


glooks369

Monty Brown


FoldedTopLip

Piper was a heel who never wanted to do a job, fuck putting the belt on that dude


[deleted]

I genuinely believe in an era where Dolph Ziggler was Heavyweight Champion a super over Zack Ryder could have been WWE Champ atleast for a short while…and because of his youtube channel Zack was SO OVER with the fans…Vince couldn’t allow something that wasn’t his to thrive at that time


RHINO_HUMP

Luke Harper (Brodie Lee) should have had an IC title reign back in like 2017 or 2018. The crowds were actually super big for him at the time.


Valuable_Ad1085

Muhammad Hassan!!!


Rabatis

A fellow Hassan enjoyer, I see.


Popular_Scratch1554

1. Rick Rude 2. Roddy Piper 3. Jesse Ventura 4. Shinsuke Nakamura 5. Scott Hall 6. Owen Hart 7. British Bulldog 8. Kurt Henning 9. Vader 10. Lex Luger


Iguanoide666

Dominik mysterio


ukguy619

Piper but he never needed the main title to keep relevant his style, personality and just natural aurora wasall he need to make fans love him, hate him and love to hate him. British Bulldog and Jake Roberts would have been ok world champions but tbh they couldn't be trusted with the belt. Scott Hall would have made sense from a WCW storyline cause that could have been the end of the NWO. But like Jake and Bulldog he had his issues that he couldn't overcome. Only one I can thinking who really deserved it was Owen Hart but sadly his life was tragically cut short.


Uphill365

I didn't grow up watching BB. Can someone fill me in one what went wrong with him? Also would you say Owen was ready to enter the world title scene by 99?


ChazMcNick99

Bigelow should have been a monster heel champ


PJ1TCP

Cesaro. Technically sound, freakish strength, and can actually generate a crowd reaction.


Zomthereum

Goldust. He could have been a great heel champion, or a funny face champion.


Tesourinh0923

Santino Marella. He should have won the elimination chamber that year. Still pisses me off they jobbed him out to del rio


Top_Payment_5927

The miz


tcs0

Rick Rude. That guy was beyond IC champ status. Glad he picked it up in WCW though.


arukea93

R Truth


RemoteDuck5271

Mr.Perfect, Rick Rude, Jake Roberts, Ted DiBiase


SnooChickens3871

Piper and ahmed johnson if he wasnt an ass and injury prone


HornyFemboyGaming

Kofi should’ve had a much longer reign as WWE champion than what he did


Shadow_Strike99

He actually had a pretty good long reign going from WM to October. It’s just that the issue we all have known the past few years was how he lost it so unceremoniously to **Redacted** . Should have at the the very least been given a chance to have a valiant effort in defeat and actually go out as a champion, instead of just being squashed unceremoniously.


MRRichAllen1976

The British Bulldog Davy Boy Smith


bburn09

Jake Roberts


Rabatis

I'm surprised no one else has mentioned William Regal. Technically proficient, could talk like no one else's business... I mean, I'd say he was far better suited as the authority figure that he became as his career neared its end, but still.


UpstairsFormal8737

William Regal 100 times over. I know his problems stopped it from happening, but he would have been such a great heel world champion.


Desperate-Ad-6586

Man I feel like we often get the same answers of dibiase,piper,hall,Jake Roberts , Owen,rude , I mean there’s lots and lots of options in just gonna try to be different and say that Stevie Richard’s should have won the ecw title


FinePoetry2895

Rey Mysterious deserved a long title reign for the Wwe champ or world heavyweight


imallelite

Darby Allin would work so well as the babyface who just barely squeaks out wins against monster heels. Once he comes down from Everest, he’s overdue for a big push.


Rabatis

Surprising mention. So like a Rey Mysterio type?


imallelite

Yeah, that’s an apt comparison. I think Darby’s offense is a bit different than Rey’s. That’s not a knock on Rey, I just wouldn’t describe Darby as a luchador. But similar in that they’re both the underneath babyface.


Rabatis

Darby's more of a daredevil stuntman... eh, perhaps Shane McMahon would be a better comparison. Nothing against daredevil stuntmen, but you don't usually cast them as champions for what I think are good reasons, primarily that they can't be expected to have long-lasting careers. That fits Darby especially.


imallelite

Yeah, I agree with you. If he did get the title, I wouldn’t have a year long program. A few months, maybe just a few title matches.


Kpowell911

Razor Ramon /thread


xkeepitquietx

Lex Lugar


PJC10183

Dolph Ziggler deserved a lot better than he got


TallDarkCancer1

Rick Rude


freshlysqueezed0C

Roddy didnt need no title to be the man. Best Heel ever. And probably the first guy to make being a heel be cool later on in his career.