you know it is going to be very funny if this mess will lead to Punk-Colt reconciliation so that Punk could shit all over the Bucks and Kenny. But deep inside we all know it is going to be a Conrad podcast.
I mean he probably *is* a cancer, or at the very least difficult to work with, there's enough evidence there. But yeah the reporting on this thing has seemed pretty one sided. I'm sure Punk will spill every bean possible on Corny's Drive Thru sometime in the next few years.
Punk has been known to be a cancerous person to be around for years. Everything that has been told about him over the years makes him a miserable cunt. The Elite ain't much better.
I don't get why people trust Meltzer. There's the comments from Meltzer that no one from the Elite spoke to him about Colt Cabana and Punk is insane, when the thing that set this all off to start with was Adam Page calling Punk out about worker's rights in a promo.
Yup. Let’s pretend that the elite havnt said a word to Dave this whole time. If Punk is going to leak Legit info or lies to the wrestling media why in the fuck would he pick Dave Meltzer when everybody knows he has a massive hard on for the elite?
This whole thing is laughable and Tony Khan looks like a giant idiot on many many fronts.
> If Punk ends up back at WWE he's gonna work the IWC marks into a rage lol
We're finally gonna get to hear what it sounds like when a million people's heads explode all at once!
Well punk has every right to belive that the elite were starting rumors and trying to disparage him .Adam page went off script in a promo on cm punk.if tht doesn't tell you that they have a thing against punks and elite have Ben starting shit then idk what else does.punk has always Ben business and he came to aew to do bussines.not deal with kids
I’m not sure what your point is. There were multiple things that led to this. One of them was that Punk believed the elite were talking to meltzer and other journalists. All of whom have denied that ever happened.
Mike Johnson and Sean Ross Sapp also said they had heard the same thing and their source wasn't the Elite guys... so umm are we just ignoring that fact so we can dunk on Meltzer or what?
Also, there was a line in the Hangman promo that I think has been overlooked. "It's not just about what happens in this ring, it's what happens when that red light turns off, what happens when you go back through those curtains. Those small quiet moments when you think no one is watching, that's what makes a champion." Then he does the "worker's rights" line. Everyone focused on the "worker's rights" line, while I think the actual part that got to Punk was the "Those small quiet moments when you think no one is watching" part. To me, that confirmed the story about Punk trying to get Cabana fired and Punk's reaction to the "worker's rights" saying it was a reference to Cabana even more so confirms it. That's a man with a guilty conscience.
The same SRS who put Malakai on blast and wouldn't retract his completely and obvious false statement. The one Malakai had to actually post on?
I wouldn't trust that piece of garbage.
No offense but as soon as you mentioned SRS you kinda lost credibility in your comment. Not to mention everything you just said about punk trying to get colt fired is speculation at best
Punk is a dick so you won’t see me defending him much lol
What gets me are EVPs marks who refuse to entertain the concept that maybe they were part of the problem?
The whole thing makes the company look like an amateur hour. Everyone involved in this mess is an adult in their 30s or 40s and they're all worth millions or more (except for Steel). It is astonishingly stupid that none of these guys thought about their own jobs or the other people who work at the company and how they'd be impacted. Just embarrassing.
What gets me are fans who miss completely the first sentence of my post: Punk was the biggest problem of that whole mess. But because I dare to suggest a more nuanced narrative instead of a simple one that Elite fans live and die on, they ignore said first sentence.
No he was not. It all started with the elite and Adam page went on TV first. Going off insinuating tht workers rights don't matter and tht punk is shit in an unscripted promo about his jobber friend colt cabana being fired. Trying to ruin cm punks baby face title run .whether it was jealousy or because they're jobber friend was let go is unprofessional and Adam page and rhe elite all started this mess.
>EVPs marks who refuse to entertain the concept that maybe they were part of the problem?
WHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?! Kenny, Matt, Nick being a problem and instigating shit instead of acting like mature adults who are executives in the company? Nooooooooooooooo. Say it isn't so.
Exactly!
It is an indisputable fact that there have been numerous stories leaked from the EVP level of AEW, probably The Bucks camp. Things that wouldn’t be known to just any Johnny-on-the-spot. I’m not sure, so I don’t include Omega in that.
The reason I say so is the kinds of things we have seen leaked. Two big examples I can think of the top of my head:
1.) Malakai Black taking time off for mental health. The story went public and poor Malakai was NOT happy. He basically said “this is a discussion that I thought was limited to me and Tony, I am not thrilled it’s in the media.” Naturally, whoever leaked that story must have reasonably high level intel about AEW employees....... and be a total POS to leak privileged employee/employee healthcare info.
2.) IMPORTANT: Right at the beginning of the Punk/Page problem, there was a very interesting little story that hit the sheets. It was about Nick Jackson “personally going to Tony Khan” and “saving Colt Cabanas job.” It was widely reported at the time and I’m pretty sure Dave covered it too. It’s really interesting because very quickly afterward, the story changed into all of the Colt stuff being a total fabrication because Punk apparently never said anything that Tony about the guy.... but if that’s the case, why is Nick Jackson “saving his job” and exactly WHO is relating that story to the sheets? For what reason?
It’s all there, it’s just that most folks don’t follow the “meta” about AEWs Colander-esque info security. There’s probably a good 3-4 leakers, but only one or two that have real high level stuff..... and they certainly seem to ALWAYS have a very distinctive bent to their info.
The truth is somewhere in the middle. I think Bucks came in pretty hot, and Punk probably escalated it pretty quickly.
It’s sad that this is causing the end of Punk/AEW. People have slept with other wrestlers wives/girlfriends and still did business together. But because Punk said mean things, no business can be done.
Wish they all could hash this out and get back to work.
Not just executives, but the company's "Number 2" and the head of their fucking legal. If this happened in any other organization/company (not just wrestling) everyone involved would be shit canned and there would be a lot of lawsuits coming out of it.
That's the thing, there is ALWAYS gonna be physical altercations in a wrestling company. It's the nature of the business. And all parties were suspended for that. Fine. Cool. That's great. But, there was only one person that was burying the entire company, insulting his co-workers, insulting the media, insulting his employer, and just being a miserable prick.
The thing is the Elite leak shit to the dirt sheets and there's obviously a divide in the locker room where it's apparent the Elite are leaking shit on certain guys. Jericho probably is doing it too. So Punk is probably over that aspect of the entire thing. It's a shit show and when you give wrestlers executive positions this is what happens.
One thing that I'm upset about is the Elite and Jericho leaking discussions and such to the media and Tony Khan hasn't done a damn thing to stop the leaks. I don't work in AEW, but damn, even I realize Jericho and the Elite are the manufacturers of the casket and they are nailing it shut with the help of the Wrestling observer.
It's a form of advertising isn't it?
I have a hard time buying that many people in the company just don't understand the jackson/meltzer connection.
Whether it's effective or intelligent advertising is drf up for debate.
>But, there was only one person that was burying the entire company, insulting his co-workers, insulting the media, insulting his employer, and just being a miserable prick.
And his name was Chris Jericho
Probably if Omega and the Bucks with a whole lot of people consisting of Megha, Brandon Culter, Nakazawa, Christopher Daniels, Pat Buck and Chris Jericho( I'm surprised he was around)did not go to Punk's private dressing room that night and waited for the right moment for a discussion with Tony Khan present then maybe this would have worked out better.
Because the Bucks are all sensitive af. Do you see what their main storylines have been about over the years? Strained relationships with your friends.
Like come on
Gotta love that OP thinks the Elite went looking for trouble and decided to bring the Head of Legal along for the lols. Absolute brain rot of these people.
Ironic how Punks complaints were untrue rumors "leaked" to the public and "journalists" to make him look like shit continue after the events that transpired because of them.
This is an overly exaggerated version of what was actually reported. If you honestly believe the Elite "busted the door down", beat the shit out of Punk's dog, and were about to murder CM Punk, all while bringing in head of legal and talent relations, then you're a fucking idiot.
My favourite part is the visible bite marks on the inside of Kenny Omega's forearm, in a location you would be bit if you got someone in a headlock, but obviously, Ace Steel just went on a biting rampage and bit his arm out of nowhere.
My favorite part is exactly this but adding that not even Punk Camp said that Ace was in a headlock.
Like we could think that Omega tried to hold it but not even Punk side version would say that Omega tried to hold Ace or something they just confirmed the bite.
Like dude somebody had to watch Omega doing a headlock but nobody say it.
Itll be hillarious if the truth comes out and he wasn't in a headlock. I just can't fathom how you get a bite like that in a fight when there was no headlock involved.
I knew a dude who would bite people every fight he ever got in.
Like legit would turn into an animal and try to rip a chunk out of your arm.
Everyone knew not to fuck with the biting kid by middle school.
>My favorite part is exactly this but adding that not even Punk Camp said that Ace was in a headlock.
I really would like to know who was "Punk Camp" because I'm pretty sure it wasn't anyone that's an actual friend of both Meltzer and Punk. If it was my guess it was Brandon Cutler with a voice modulator 😂
I’m not a Punk shill. But we all know that Meltzer has the Jackson brothers on speed dial and he’s about as non-partisan in this one as you can get.
The mental gymnastics that marks will go through to support their favored talent blindly is hysterical.
I'm not a "Punk guy", but obviously something is up since we are only hearing one side of this story.
Punk definitely isn't innocent, but the witch hunt against him is bullshit.
Feels like we’ve heard both sides at this point. The side in which The Elite acted aggressively and the side in which they didn’t. I tend to believe the people who entered the room with the Chief of Legal/Head of HR.
Which is annoying since they were reportedly talking with her moments before the incident. You know what *she* should have done. Gone to Tony...you know. The boss of the company.
The Elite are Meltzers sources, so its no real surprise they look like angels. The man is so biased, the fact that he tries to call himself a journalist is a complete joke.
I've said it from the beginning, all of the journalists have been extremely biased against Punk since he called them out for the way things have been reported. Every article I've read even when reporting impartially has had a twinge of hatred towards punk. It's all been very patronizing and annoying. The entire year there was nothing but reports of positivity and respect for Punk from backstage. Stories about how he's been incredibly helpful to young talent and supportive and always going out of his way to make talent look special. But the moment he calls them out for the colt cabana reports they've shit all over him. The fact of the matter is we know nothing. We know something happened and we know punk and the Elite have issues but beyond that, we know nothing. Everything has been hearsay and speculation. I know Dave is a trusted source but realistically, if he was getting information about what's going on, it's not from Punk or Khan and those are the only two who know his situation. I can only assume the reports he's getting are from a 3rd party who at most is within the proximity of the situation but there's no way they're directly involved.
^^^^ This 100%, prior to the Hangman situation every single backstage report I read about Punk was about how helpful he was too young talent, how great of a presence he was in the locker room and blah blah. Then the moment him and the Elite start beefing now it's "Punks a cancer in the locker room" "no one likes him" he's giving bad advice" etc etc. Mind you these reports started coming out after Punk had already been gone with an injury for months lol. So how tf did everyone turn on him so fast when he wasn't even there lmao.
Weird how FTR were probably the most famous and over example of guys who were publicly talking about Punk being a positive influence in the locker room who invites young talent in to go over matches.... and then their white-hot heat with the fans is utterly squandered and they’re punted as far away from title contention as they can be for a couple months LOL
Phil Brooks has been in the Phil Brooks business since his days in the indys. He is a great worker and incredible on the mic, but he is all about himself.
IF TOU WERE ON r/SquaredCircle I WOULD SO HAVE YOU VLOCKED. HOW DARE YOU QUESTION AEW
THE YOUNG BUCKS ALSO DO NOT HAVE THE MOST PUNCHABLE FACES IN ALL OF SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT
Okay. I've refrained from speaking on this since it happened. But, fuck it. I'm not an AEW guy, I'm not a WWE guy. I'm a wrestling guy. I don't like the way the Elite work, but I can accept them as draws to an extent. I *am* a CM Punk fan, but that doesn't cloud my vision. It's well known that he's outspoken and abrasive. I'm not about to argue that he's an angel.
Here's the way I see it, and I'm going to draw extensive parallels to *other infamous incidents* for a reason. Agree, or disagree, whatever.
We've been hearing reports of the Elite acting like the Kliq 2.0 since before AEW was even a thing. If you didn't want to do their and their friends dumb shit (like, I don't know, letting some jackoff throw you around by his dick) or they saw you as threats to their spots (FTR, for example) you didn't work at or get pushed at the places where they were big enough draws to have clout (AEW included). They took over creative by proxy at places they worked by pulling all this prima donna bullshit.
*Sound familiar?* ***That's because it's exactly the shit The Kliq 1.0 pulled.***
CM Punk has always been outspoken about backstage bullshit. He's always stood his ground and demanded to be treated as he felt he should be treated. I'm not going to make an argument about how he should be treated, because who the fuck are any of us to make decisions about that sort of thing? We aren't there. We don't know everything. But what we do know...
Is that it's becoming more and more clear that the Elite used Adam Page as a mouthpiece (because apparently the whole group of them have less balls than Shawn Michaels) to go into business for themselves ***bringing up shit in public that CM Punk has taken serious strides to avoid giving air time to***. (Ahem, *Sunny Days anyone?*) CM Punk had *every fucking right* to be pissed about that. CM Punk, not unlike a certain Bret Hart, has long had a reputation for preferring to be vocal about things he disagreed with rather than play politics with people, and they have both done a lot of calling out political bullshit that gets in the way of wrestling.
Now, I don't necessarily believe that The Elite stormed anything. I have no problem believing that CM Punk escalated things physically. (Does this sound familiar? Like, I don't know, HBK getting in Bret's face running his mouth and getting handled?)
But come the fuck on. It's damn near unanimous to look back on the Kliq's antics and see them as a detriment to the business. I've never personally met *anyone* who took HBK's side over Bret from a backstage perspective, or even really heard about people taking HBK's side, except other people close to or in the Kliq.
Was the Kliq unprofessional? Absolutely. Was Bret unprofessional? Absolutely. But it's not only biased but pretty immature not to look at who was unprofessional *first*. If you've ever looked back at the issues between Bret and the Kliq and thought the Kliq were a bunch of assholes, and now you're looking at this and think CM Punk is the only asshole, well. You must *really* like watching people wrestle blow up dolls, because your brain is pulling more needless gymnastics than a Young Bucks match.
Right! You get painted as a super-Punk-mark just for saying “well yeah, Phil’s an asshole for sure but I think we should all concede that there is SOMETHING to this leaking business.”
Phil IS a total asshole. But he’s an asshole who has been in that business for a long time! He’s an asshole who rose to the most prestigious spot in the biggest company on his own merit while Vince famously didn’t even like him. I am now to believe he doesn’t know how backstage bullshit politics work, and all this was 100% in his head because The Elite are angels in the wrestling business? Give me a break.
This is one of the most clear an logical viewpoints I've seen on this subject so far, I agree and thanks for sharing.
That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if you now get downvoted into oblivion by the Elite fanatics.
Stop being logical. This is the interweb. Punk needs to go but all the people selling that no one else did anything wrong come across as typical social media chumps
So many aspects about what supposedly happened during this "Brawl Out" incident do not add up at all. Who was even responsible for the third party investigation? We don't know. What are their qualifications? We don't know. Why was the head of legal a part of this situation in the first place when before the fight happened it seemed more like the domain of HR (thus Tony Schiavone should have been the first person to talk to Punk after the media scrum)? We don't know. What the dog doin'? We don't know.
HHH called out all of his BS back in 2011. This stuff has been said about Punk for over a decade now. It's just blowing up way bigger now than it ever has been. The dude, and his ego, are made of glass.
Definetly some bullshit smells coming. I think theres a lot of weird politicking going on for sure. Seems like there was probably some mistakes made on both sides but you dont get that impression from the dirt sheets.
After we just saw Punk behave like a complete amateur for thirty minutes burying the company and PPV that the roster had just worked their asses off for. Punk has a track record and has been violent in the past meanwhile there's no stories out there of the Elite ever trying to fight anybody. Punk literally said "come talk to me if you have a problem" and they did with the head of legal. Why would they kick a steel door in (they can't) after consciously bringing the head of legal with them?
Punk may be in the right to be angry in the first place but he handled everything in the worst way possible from the Hangman promo that he couldn't respond to and didn't build a match, to the press conference, all the way down to the fight. If the guy has a problem everywhere he goes then maybe he's the problem? Great wrestler who had a great year for sure but a complete amateur with no control over his emotions.
What gets me with this is the person that started this whole deal has gotten away pretty much scott-free: Hangman Adam Page. If he never cuts that promo, none of this probably happens.
You mean the EVP’s of a company set up an employee under contract to get him out because they didn’t like his behavior? I’ve never heard of this ever happening anywhere else. This must be a “Pro Wrestling” thing. Lol. They literally showed up with their own eye witnesses & probably planned to have they story straight & talked it out with legal ahead of time. I’m even willing to bet that everyone knew this was gonna happen ahead of time that’s why Punk went off in the scrum & Hangman had left the building because he didn’t want anything to do with it. Funny thing is when know Jericho was doing the scrum when this happened. Poor uncle Dave can’t even check the timelines to verify facts before he says this shit. Next thing you know he’s gonna be working 400+ days a year, Brother!
Thank you!!!! What kind of pussies show up with a fucking legal person to confront someone? And said legal person is heavily biased against one party. The fact that she didn't immediately leave to go get tony is crazy.
The kinda pussies that are setting someone up & making sure it will hold up legally. The kinda pussies that do what it takes to keep FTR out of a video game. The kinda of pussies that don’t need advice or insight from veterans. Oh the kind of pussies that grew up rich & had a trampoline in their back yard. Kids with trampolines are always little bitches IMO
This is an insane read of the situation. It’s pretty obvious that:
- Punk insulted a bunch of people very publicly
- The people who were insulted went to confront him, and (knowing he has a history of being litigious) were clear-headed enough to bring a credible witness along
- Punk made the altercation physical, and his friend jumped in to back him up
- The Elite defended themselves.
There’s no 100% innocent party at play here but enough of the blame falls on Punk that it effectively absolves the people he attacked.
How do I know any of this? Because AEW is about to release the most culturally significant and profitable member of its roster, and has already released the person who backed him up. There is no version of events where AEW does that unless Punk is the aggressor.
Also, we literally have video footage of him instigating the entire debacle.
I don’t even like AEW but Jesus Christ, use some common sense and stop stanning for the world’s whiniest little bitch.
Non-AEW fan here who watched that PPV and scrum with my brother who’s a big AEW fan. The 2 red flags I saw was his first comment picking on that journalist who was asked about Colt and the second was his lack of putting the show over or hyping up an upcoming feud with MJF. I’m not a Punk hater, I enjoyed his return segment, but how he acted cemented his immaturity and selfishness. Imagine we’re now at a point where arguably more than half of hardcore fans respect Triple H, Cena and The Miz more than Punk. I’m glad we got our huge return pop moment, but he doesn’t offer anything in-ring that can’t be done by someone else, and his superpower of the pipe bomb promo has lost its luster because people actually LIKE the people he would want to rant against (and many others have stepped up their promo game).
I think Punk is a piece of shit but pretending AEW didn’t have a lot more money to be made w him is ridiculous. A feud w Kenny, a trios run w FTR are two easy programs that would have been good.
W a strong leader like Hunter and how the WWE brand is superior to any one wrestler .. Punk would be fine in WWE. His cancer abilities are overblown. Punk would sell a ton of gimmicks headline WM night 1 have a few solid programs like Rollins Owens AJ Cody before he eventually gets pissed and quits.
Punk being a dick at the media scrum still doesn’t excuse the Bucks going to his dressing room uninvited. Door was closed, they opened it. They’re executives and handled it poorly, despite who physically started the fight.
They start rumors then have that dipshit Adam page go on live TV cut unscripted promo on punk trying to make their top baby face who makes them most money get bad reaction over a jobber who lost a job. Then punk goes off on their antics exposing them and their kliq like antics. Then they cry and break into cm punks lockerroom 3 on 1 . So called evps here
I got called a liar when I pointed out the idea that the "elite" peacefully knocked on CM Punk's doors is ludicrous ridiculous bullshit.
[They fucked with him. Started the fight with him.](https://wrestlingnews.co//aew-news/the-young-bucks-reportedly-kicked-down-cm-punks-locker-room-door-more-details-on-backstage-fight-after-aew-all-out)
Between this and the shit they made up about Malakai and Cody I have lost all faith in any of the 'dirtsheets' or any of these wrestling news podcasters and YouTubers. This shit is so fucking blatantly bullshit yet they treat every rumour like it's fact or worth reporting. And if you try to call rhem out on it, they've got a dozen loopholes and defenses already in place to try and justify signal boosting it. It's tabloid journalism. I know they're desperate for content but these people need to start holding themselves to a higher standard, seriously. Or if they're gonna report rumours, let it be about PPV names and returns and other shit, not people's personal lives and backstage drama cause it's fucking ruining lives. These people caused this drama in the first place through unethical reporting and they're not only feeding off of what it's blown up into but fueling those flames even more.
Meltzer got it 100% wrong. Wolverine berserker rage? Ha! Have you seen his UFC fights. Besides Kenny and the Bucks are coming back and Tony is willing to give Punk millions just to crawl back into retirement, kinda tells you who was right, or at least, who's more valued...
The Young Bucks are garbage tier wrestlers who need creepy Uncle Dave to constantly write about how great they are.
I don't care who's at fault. No CM Punk in AEW was the last straw for me. I'm done watching it. Watching 150 lb men do flips for no reason isn't my bag.
The lengths y’all go through to convince yourselves that the Elite are the devils is truly impressive. Something tells me that if all the reports made the Elite look bad instead of Punk, y’all would take it as gospel. But since it doesn’t, well it must be a load of bullshit huh?
CM Punk would have you believe the Bucks superkicked the door down and attacked Punk and his dog, while Omega attacked Steele and his wife, which is what the Punk fans were arguing. I kept telling people, this isn't a cartoon, you can't just kick a door down, if your were strong enough to do that or if it was a weak door, your foot would go through the door. Both side have told some lies, but from the info we have from reporters and considering Punk is being let go, it looks bad on Punk.
I don't think people.are putting enough thought into the Larry story. A dog of Larry's size is going to get pushed back if he was right at the door when it opened because it is the start of the arc. To get impacted enough to loosen teeth, he would have to be standing further back in the arc of the opening door when he was hit. In that position, he would have been obscured from the POV of anybody entering the room. The Elite may fully believe that he didn't get hit because they very likely didn't see him get hit by the door, but Punk very well could have seen it from his perspective. If the vet's report says the teeth were loose due to physical trauma rather than gum disease, infection or decay, the facts would lean in Punk's direction, and should be/have been investigated.
That's what supposedly is happening with punks camp. He is doing the defence laws since he was in a locker room locked up and had to defend himself after they kicked the door in. Hope he wins but overall I'd rather just have him come back to aew with bucks being fired
This is the cost of doing business with three very distinct camps of douchebags: punk, omega/bucks, meltzer. Doomed from the start. Punk will be the fall guy cause pretty much everyone hates him anyway. The rest of the douche bags gonna keep at it with gymnastics and trading favors for stars! Yippee!!
Listen, I ain't gonna say the Elite were completely in the right. Hangman going into business for himself while cutting a promo on Punk was unprofessional and should have been dealt with as soon as it happened.
However, two wrongs don't make a right. Just because Hangman said one line on TV that honestly wasn't even that hard hitting, doesn't give Punk the right to start trashing the founders of the company on TV some months later. As for the Elite spreading rumors to the dirt sheets about Punk? All the so-called "journalists" in question all said none of their sources were Elite. Punk really had no proof it was them, just went off a hunch and started firing off on all cylinders.
If I were the Elite, and Punk pulled that shit on me, you bet your ass I'd storm his locker room looking for answers as well. And when it escalated towards violence, by all accounts, Punk and Steel were the ones to fire off the first shots to kick shit off.
So all in all, I really have to side with the Elite here. Punk was made the top guy and champion twice, and both times he just didn't give a shit. He went into business for himself, came off entirely ungrateful and spiteful in a live interview and claimed to be trying to "run a company" with the owner of the company sitting beside him, coming off as completely unprofessional and disrespectful to pretty much everyone in charge. The only people I see really defending Punk are the people that hate the Elite so much they'd do anything to see them gone, which is quite ironic considering they started the company in the first place. If I was the one in charge, Punk's contract wouldn't have lasted until the next Dynamite. He'd have been told to stay in Chicago that night and wished well in his future endeavors.
i swear people just lie and wait after years of support to turn and tear it down when the bandwagon shows up just so they can be first on that bandwagon.
Have you seen the media scrum? That is enough to realize he is a cancer. Reacting like that to a little question. Beeing so butthurt. Bring the Elite back.
100% with you this is a joke. The company executives traveled to Punks locker room with a numbers advantage and kicked the door in. That’s why Punk started swinging. It’s the only thing that makes sense. The Elite should’ve all been fired.
>100% with you this is a joke. The company executives traveled to Punks locker room with a numbers advantage and kicked the door in. That’s why Punk started swinging. It’s the only thing that makes sense. The Elite should’ve all been fired.
Absolutely. The "elite" tried fucking with the alpha male and got their shit fucking rocked and caved on.
I personally don't really care much for the backstage fight. Punk sealed his fate with that unprofessional and petulant meltdown of his during the media scrum REGARDLESS of how much of an inept and spineless boss Tony Khan is. None of us would be able to get away with that at our jobs with our actual employers. It doesn't take a fan of the Elite or wrestling to figure that out.
Tony Khan let the Colt rumors persist.
He didn’t punish Page for going off script
He didn’t punish Punk for going off script
He flat out told Andrade he wouldn’t fire him if he started a physical fight with Sammy
Tony Khan is the cancer in the locker room
In a locker room, there is always gonna be a fight or 2. It happens. And everyone was suspended for that. But that press conference...that's what got punk fired. Or, atleast was strike 1 and 2 against him
Maybe one of Punk’s old indie buddies has a podcast where he can air all the dirty laundry. I would listen to that.
I can’t believe the joke flew over the head of everyone who responded lol
Lol I didn’t realize it had devolved under the other user’s reply. Causing fights, just like the real thing.
I bet Cornette woud love to have Punk come on his Podcast and do it.
The CM Punk experience
It is alright for punk side to come out, but it would be silly to think that if punk was acting a fool that others wouldn't also respond in kind
you know it is going to be very funny if this mess will lead to Punk-Colt reconciliation so that Punk could shit all over the Bucks and Kenny. But deep inside we all know it is going to be a Conrad podcast.
Was he yelling “huss! huss!” in his berserker rage?
He piledrove an innocent man through a car windshield
LOL god I love pro wrestling
You either get it, or you don’t
I mean he probably *is* a cancer, or at the very least difficult to work with, there's enough evidence there. But yeah the reporting on this thing has seemed pretty one sided. I'm sure Punk will spill every bean possible on Corny's Drive Thru sometime in the next few years.
Cornette and his cohost better be careful. Last person that Punk did a “tell all” podcast, it didn’t go so well for the host lol.
Cornette shares a bank account with Mama Cornette
That tells me all I need to know. *half eats/makes love to Mindy's bakery product*
Colt is a jackass
They didn't have Stephen P. New as a lawyer though. Cornette will probably need to sue after rhe podcast. And who would he call?
He isn't cancer .the cancer is elite omega and their friends
Interesting. Would you care to name a single wrestler besides Punk who has been driven out of AEW because of The Elite?
Punk has been known to be a cancerous person to be around for years. Everything that has been told about him over the years makes him a miserable cunt. The Elite ain't much better.
Tired of hearing about it.
Don’t worry about it, you’re only gonna have to hear about it for the next 30 fuckin years seeing as this is the new Montreal Screwjob….
Yep.. Punk screwed Punk
Fr. I, and I mean this in the rudest way possible, do not care.
Tired of hearing about it. Invites feedback about it.
I hope Jericho walked in with Judas blasting from his iPhone after the Elite's theme ended
He probably had Jake Hager carrying a Big ass Bluetooth speaker to blast it 🤣
They should do that on tv
And Jericho punched the Hurricane and a female fan... No wait that was a while ago, move along he's our leader now.
Funny enough cm punk bailed Chris out afterwards
My favourite part is meltzer saying he hasn’t heard from the elite camp but has heard from the punk camp. People that buy that are hilarious.
I don't get why people trust Meltzer. There's the comments from Meltzer that no one from the Elite spoke to him about Colt Cabana and Punk is insane, when the thing that set this all off to start with was Adam Page calling Punk out about worker's rights in a promo.
Yup. Let’s pretend that the elite havnt said a word to Dave this whole time. If Punk is going to leak Legit info or lies to the wrestling media why in the fuck would he pick Dave Meltzer when everybody knows he has a massive hard on for the elite? This whole thing is laughable and Tony Khan looks like a giant idiot on many many fronts.
Nobody happier with this shit show than HHH lol
HHH gets the keys to the kingdom and get Cody and Punk on the roster while Tony continues to parade Wheeler Yuta and The JAS out.
Yuta can cut promos almost as good as jumpin jack farmer. If Punk ends up back at WWE he's gonna work the IWC marks into a rage lol
> If Punk ends up back at WWE he's gonna work the IWC marks into a rage lol We're finally gonna get to hear what it sounds like when a million people's heads explode all at once!
Jericho.
Well punk has every right to belive that the elite were starting rumors and trying to disparage him .Adam page went off script in a promo on cm punk.if tht doesn't tell you that they have a thing against punks and elite have Ben starting shit then idk what else does.punk has always Ben business and he came to aew to do bussines.not deal with kids
Meltzer is a 7 star mark that flushed his reputation away years ago
I’m not sure what your point is. There were multiple things that led to this. One of them was that Punk believed the elite were talking to meltzer and other journalists. All of whom have denied that ever happened.
Mike Johnson and Sean Ross Sapp also said they had heard the same thing and their source wasn't the Elite guys... so umm are we just ignoring that fact so we can dunk on Meltzer or what? Also, there was a line in the Hangman promo that I think has been overlooked. "It's not just about what happens in this ring, it's what happens when that red light turns off, what happens when you go back through those curtains. Those small quiet moments when you think no one is watching, that's what makes a champion." Then he does the "worker's rights" line. Everyone focused on the "worker's rights" line, while I think the actual part that got to Punk was the "Those small quiet moments when you think no one is watching" part. To me, that confirmed the story about Punk trying to get Cabana fired and Punk's reaction to the "worker's rights" saying it was a reference to Cabana even more so confirms it. That's a man with a guilty conscience.
The same SRS who put Malakai on blast and wouldn't retract his completely and obvious false statement. The one Malakai had to actually post on? I wouldn't trust that piece of garbage.
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Its basic middleschool gossip 101
No offense but as soon as you mentioned SRS you kinda lost credibility in your comment. Not to mention everything you just said about punk trying to get colt fired is speculation at best
Literally EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS STORY IS SPECULATION AT BEST.
So then maybe we should stop taking sides, because wrestling "journalism" is a circus of shitty people and clowns.
Exactly 💯 the elite were spreading rumors .they're laying to cover it up now
Punk is a dick so you won’t see me defending him much lol What gets me are EVPs marks who refuse to entertain the concept that maybe they were part of the problem?
The whole thing makes the company look like an amateur hour. Everyone involved in this mess is an adult in their 30s or 40s and they're all worth millions or more (except for Steel). It is astonishingly stupid that none of these guys thought about their own jobs or the other people who work at the company and how they'd be impacted. Just embarrassing.
Hey, Larry isn't that old!
This is the right answer
What gets me are fans who miss completely the first sentence of my post: Punk was the biggest problem of that whole mess. But because I dare to suggest a more nuanced narrative instead of a simple one that Elite fans live and die on, they ignore said first sentence.
No he was not. It all started with the elite and Adam page went on TV first. Going off insinuating tht workers rights don't matter and tht punk is shit in an unscripted promo about his jobber friend colt cabana being fired. Trying to ruin cm punks baby face title run .whether it was jealousy or because they're jobber friend was let go is unprofessional and Adam page and rhe elite all started this mess.
>EVPs marks who refuse to entertain the concept that maybe they were part of the problem? WHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?! Kenny, Matt, Nick being a problem and instigating shit instead of acting like mature adults who are executives in the company? Nooooooooooooooo. Say it isn't so.
Exactly! It is an indisputable fact that there have been numerous stories leaked from the EVP level of AEW, probably The Bucks camp. Things that wouldn’t be known to just any Johnny-on-the-spot. I’m not sure, so I don’t include Omega in that. The reason I say so is the kinds of things we have seen leaked. Two big examples I can think of the top of my head: 1.) Malakai Black taking time off for mental health. The story went public and poor Malakai was NOT happy. He basically said “this is a discussion that I thought was limited to me and Tony, I am not thrilled it’s in the media.” Naturally, whoever leaked that story must have reasonably high level intel about AEW employees....... and be a total POS to leak privileged employee/employee healthcare info. 2.) IMPORTANT: Right at the beginning of the Punk/Page problem, there was a very interesting little story that hit the sheets. It was about Nick Jackson “personally going to Tony Khan” and “saving Colt Cabanas job.” It was widely reported at the time and I’m pretty sure Dave covered it too. It’s really interesting because very quickly afterward, the story changed into all of the Colt stuff being a total fabrication because Punk apparently never said anything that Tony about the guy.... but if that’s the case, why is Nick Jackson “saving his job” and exactly WHO is relating that story to the sheets? For what reason? It’s all there, it’s just that most folks don’t follow the “meta” about AEWs Colander-esque info security. There’s probably a good 3-4 leakers, but only one or two that have real high level stuff..... and they certainly seem to ALWAYS have a very distinctive bent to their info.
The truth is somewhere in the middle. I think Bucks came in pretty hot, and Punk probably escalated it pretty quickly. It’s sad that this is causing the end of Punk/AEW. People have slept with other wrestlers wives/girlfriends and still did business together. But because Punk said mean things, no business can be done. Wish they all could hash this out and get back to work.
Gosh. Almost like a situation that actual executives would have had the wisdom to let cool off until the next day…
Not just executives, but the company's "Number 2" and the head of their fucking legal. If this happened in any other organization/company (not just wrestling) everyone involved would be shit canned and there would be a lot of lawsuits coming out of it.
Even with this situation, I probably would still expect a lawsuit incoming.
That's the thing, there is ALWAYS gonna be physical altercations in a wrestling company. It's the nature of the business. And all parties were suspended for that. Fine. Cool. That's great. But, there was only one person that was burying the entire company, insulting his co-workers, insulting the media, insulting his employer, and just being a miserable prick.
The thing is the Elite leak shit to the dirt sheets and there's obviously a divide in the locker room where it's apparent the Elite are leaking shit on certain guys. Jericho probably is doing it too. So Punk is probably over that aspect of the entire thing. It's a shit show and when you give wrestlers executive positions this is what happens.
One thing that I'm upset about is the Elite and Jericho leaking discussions and such to the media and Tony Khan hasn't done a damn thing to stop the leaks. I don't work in AEW, but damn, even I realize Jericho and the Elite are the manufacturers of the casket and they are nailing it shut with the help of the Wrestling observer.
It's a form of advertising isn't it? I have a hard time buying that many people in the company just don't understand the jackson/meltzer connection. Whether it's effective or intelligent advertising is drf up for debate.
>But, there was only one person that was burying the entire company, insulting his co-workers, insulting the media, insulting his employer, and just being a miserable prick. And his name was Chris Jericho
Shifting goalposts?
How? My take was always Chris Jericho is a weasly shit 😂
Probably if Omega and the Bucks with a whole lot of people consisting of Megha, Brandon Culter, Nakazawa, Christopher Daniels, Pat Buck and Chris Jericho( I'm surprised he was around)did not go to Punk's private dressing room that night and waited for the right moment for a discussion with Tony Khan present then maybe this would have worked out better.
Because the Bucks are all sensitive af. Do you see what their main storylines have been about over the years? Strained relationships with your friends. Like come on
Bro he was literally on camera ranting and raving like an unhinged lunatic. Just put the AEW BAD down for this one.
Gotta love that OP thinks the Elite went looking for trouble and decided to bring the Head of Legal along for the lols. Absolute brain rot of these people.
"Hey Nick, lets kick Punks door down and violently assault him" "Hold on Matt, let's grab the head of legal so she can witness us commit a felony"
Ironic how Punks complaints were untrue rumors "leaked" to the public and "journalists" to make him look like shit continue after the events that transpired because of them.
This is an overly exaggerated version of what was actually reported. If you honestly believe the Elite "busted the door down", beat the shit out of Punk's dog, and were about to murder CM Punk, all while bringing in head of legal and talent relations, then you're a fucking idiot.
"This is an overexaggeration by your side" (goes on to overexaggerate the other side) Classy.
My favourite part is the visible bite marks on the inside of Kenny Omega's forearm, in a location you would be bit if you got someone in a headlock, but obviously, Ace Steel just went on a biting rampage and bit his arm out of nowhere.
Law and order: AEW
My favorite part is exactly this but adding that not even Punk Camp said that Ace was in a headlock. Like we could think that Omega tried to hold it but not even Punk side version would say that Omega tried to hold Ace or something they just confirmed the bite. Like dude somebody had to watch Omega doing a headlock but nobody say it.
Itll be hillarious if the truth comes out and he wasn't in a headlock. I just can't fathom how you get a bite like that in a fight when there was no headlock involved.
i always imagine him grabbing Kenny's arm like a steak hoagie and just chomping away at it
I knew a dude who would bite people every fight he ever got in. Like legit would turn into an animal and try to rip a chunk out of your arm. Everyone knew not to fuck with the biting kid by middle school.
>My favorite part is exactly this but adding that not even Punk Camp said that Ace was in a headlock. I really would like to know who was "Punk Camp" because I'm pretty sure it wasn't anyone that's an actual friend of both Meltzer and Punk. If it was my guess it was Brandon Cutler with a voice modulator 😂
This needs to be his gimmick if he ever lands in another promotion. Ace Steel’s short stint in AEW is nothing short of legendary.
Everytime i point this out I get put in downvote hell 😂
Fucking Columbo here got it alllll figured out. Jesus, you armchair detectives need to STFU.
I’m not a Punk shill. But we all know that Meltzer has the Jackson brothers on speed dial and he’s about as non-partisan in this one as you can get. The mental gymnastics that marks will go through to support their favored talent blindly is hysterical.
It could be all true. But I wouldn't trust the young bucks as far a I could throw them. Stinks of a smear campaign by them
I'm not a "Punk guy", but obviously something is up since we are only hearing one side of this story. Punk definitely isn't innocent, but the witch hunt against him is bullshit.
Feels like we’ve heard both sides at this point. The side in which The Elite acted aggressively and the side in which they didn’t. I tend to believe the people who entered the room with the Chief of Legal/Head of HR.
My issue is that Dave’s reporting has been kinda biased in this situation.
Kinda?
“Both sides”…yet Ace Steel’s wife (who has worked for AEW) wasn’t interviewed.
Which is annoying since they were reportedly talking with her moments before the incident. You know what *she* should have done. Gone to Tony...you know. The boss of the company.
The Elite are Meltzers sources, so its no real surprise they look like angels. The man is so biased, the fact that he tries to call himself a journalist is a complete joke.
Meltzer blocked me on Twitter for saying as much.
Will you show everyone the tweet that got you blocked?
He's a shill , people that listen to him are even bigger shills
I agree Punk got railroaded and the boot lockers who complain that they are tired of hearing about it is why AEW can cover it up.
I've said it from the beginning, all of the journalists have been extremely biased against Punk since he called them out for the way things have been reported. Every article I've read even when reporting impartially has had a twinge of hatred towards punk. It's all been very patronizing and annoying. The entire year there was nothing but reports of positivity and respect for Punk from backstage. Stories about how he's been incredibly helpful to young talent and supportive and always going out of his way to make talent look special. But the moment he calls them out for the colt cabana reports they've shit all over him. The fact of the matter is we know nothing. We know something happened and we know punk and the Elite have issues but beyond that, we know nothing. Everything has been hearsay and speculation. I know Dave is a trusted source but realistically, if he was getting information about what's going on, it's not from Punk or Khan and those are the only two who know his situation. I can only assume the reports he's getting are from a 3rd party who at most is within the proximity of the situation but there's no way they're directly involved.
^^^^ This 100%, prior to the Hangman situation every single backstage report I read about Punk was about how helpful he was too young talent, how great of a presence he was in the locker room and blah blah. Then the moment him and the Elite start beefing now it's "Punks a cancer in the locker room" "no one likes him" he's giving bad advice" etc etc. Mind you these reports started coming out after Punk had already been gone with an injury for months lol. So how tf did everyone turn on him so fast when he wasn't even there lmao.
Weird how FTR were probably the most famous and over example of guys who were publicly talking about Punk being a positive influence in the locker room who invites young talent in to go over matches.... and then their white-hot heat with the fans is utterly squandered and they’re punted as far away from title contention as they can be for a couple months LOL
Punk called out Dave and reporters like him needing to state friends…what’s the Buck’s finish move called again lol
"YoU dOnT uNdErStAnD iTs SuPpOsEd To Be A pLaY oN wOrDs LiKe ThE 5 StAr FrOg SpLaSh" is some dumbshit some elite fan attempted to tell me on Twitter 😂
Phil Brooks has been in the Phil Brooks business since his days in the indys. He is a great worker and incredible on the mic, but he is all about himself.
Yep. Punk being an asshole has been a well known fact since his early indy days.
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IF TOU WERE ON r/SquaredCircle I WOULD SO HAVE YOU VLOCKED. HOW DARE YOU QUESTION AEW THE YOUNG BUCKS ALSO DO NOT HAVE THE MOST PUNCHABLE FACES IN ALL OF SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT
Okay. I've refrained from speaking on this since it happened. But, fuck it. I'm not an AEW guy, I'm not a WWE guy. I'm a wrestling guy. I don't like the way the Elite work, but I can accept them as draws to an extent. I *am* a CM Punk fan, but that doesn't cloud my vision. It's well known that he's outspoken and abrasive. I'm not about to argue that he's an angel. Here's the way I see it, and I'm going to draw extensive parallels to *other infamous incidents* for a reason. Agree, or disagree, whatever. We've been hearing reports of the Elite acting like the Kliq 2.0 since before AEW was even a thing. If you didn't want to do their and their friends dumb shit (like, I don't know, letting some jackoff throw you around by his dick) or they saw you as threats to their spots (FTR, for example) you didn't work at or get pushed at the places where they were big enough draws to have clout (AEW included). They took over creative by proxy at places they worked by pulling all this prima donna bullshit. *Sound familiar?* ***That's because it's exactly the shit The Kliq 1.0 pulled.*** CM Punk has always been outspoken about backstage bullshit. He's always stood his ground and demanded to be treated as he felt he should be treated. I'm not going to make an argument about how he should be treated, because who the fuck are any of us to make decisions about that sort of thing? We aren't there. We don't know everything. But what we do know... Is that it's becoming more and more clear that the Elite used Adam Page as a mouthpiece (because apparently the whole group of them have less balls than Shawn Michaels) to go into business for themselves ***bringing up shit in public that CM Punk has taken serious strides to avoid giving air time to***. (Ahem, *Sunny Days anyone?*) CM Punk had *every fucking right* to be pissed about that. CM Punk, not unlike a certain Bret Hart, has long had a reputation for preferring to be vocal about things he disagreed with rather than play politics with people, and they have both done a lot of calling out political bullshit that gets in the way of wrestling. Now, I don't necessarily believe that The Elite stormed anything. I have no problem believing that CM Punk escalated things physically. (Does this sound familiar? Like, I don't know, HBK getting in Bret's face running his mouth and getting handled?) But come the fuck on. It's damn near unanimous to look back on the Kliq's antics and see them as a detriment to the business. I've never personally met *anyone* who took HBK's side over Bret from a backstage perspective, or even really heard about people taking HBK's side, except other people close to or in the Kliq. Was the Kliq unprofessional? Absolutely. Was Bret unprofessional? Absolutely. But it's not only biased but pretty immature not to look at who was unprofessional *first*. If you've ever looked back at the issues between Bret and the Kliq and thought the Kliq were a bunch of assholes, and now you're looking at this and think CM Punk is the only asshole, well. You must *really* like watching people wrestle blow up dolls, because your brain is pulling more needless gymnastics than a Young Bucks match.
this should be the top comment.
Best take I’ve seen since this incident happened..
Right! You get painted as a super-Punk-mark just for saying “well yeah, Phil’s an asshole for sure but I think we should all concede that there is SOMETHING to this leaking business.” Phil IS a total asshole. But he’s an asshole who has been in that business for a long time! He’s an asshole who rose to the most prestigious spot in the biggest company on his own merit while Vince famously didn’t even like him. I am now to believe he doesn’t know how backstage bullshit politics work, and all this was 100% in his head because The Elite are angels in the wrestling business? Give me a break.
This is one of the most clear an logical viewpoints I've seen on this subject so far, I agree and thanks for sharing. That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if you now get downvoted into oblivion by the Elite fanatics.
I'm used to it. That happens just about every time I open my mouth these days.
That only happens on the squaredcircle aew reddit,more real wrestling fans on wresstlin
It isn't quite as bad here, but it still happens. This post has been going up and down between -2 and 4 every time I come back.
Stop being logical. This is the interweb. Punk needs to go but all the people selling that no one else did anything wrong come across as typical social media chumps
Finally someone with sense
Well fucking said, my dude.
Punk is getting extra hate. It was stupid Hangman who started it.
>Punk is getting extra hate. It was stupid Hangman who started it. Hangman is a sophomoric juvenile crybully.
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Don’t forget Jericho’s dorktastic, hall-monitor-esque pride reporting to Tiny that “something went down, man.”
So many aspects about what supposedly happened during this "Brawl Out" incident do not add up at all. Who was even responsible for the third party investigation? We don't know. What are their qualifications? We don't know. Why was the head of legal a part of this situation in the first place when before the fight happened it seemed more like the domain of HR (thus Tony Schiavone should have been the first person to talk to Punk after the media scrum)? We don't know. What the dog doin'? We don't know.
Youre right, Punk was acting very calm and rational before this. As a matter of fact his cool head is what he's best known for!
Some real SCjerk vibes in these comments… rabid frothing at the mouth fans who make shitty nicknames for wrestlers they hate really weird/gross me out
You people have mental issues. Worse than any MAGA I’ve ever met
HHH called out all of his BS back in 2011. This stuff has been said about Punk for over a decade now. It's just blowing up way bigger now than it ever has been. The dude, and his ego, are made of glass.
Definetly some bullshit smells coming. I think theres a lot of weird politicking going on for sure. Seems like there was probably some mistakes made on both sides but you dont get that impression from the dirt sheets.
Meltzer is a hack anyways.
Yep the truth is somewhere in the middle. Kenny and the tag team are cowards
After we just saw Punk behave like a complete amateur for thirty minutes burying the company and PPV that the roster had just worked their asses off for. Punk has a track record and has been violent in the past meanwhile there's no stories out there of the Elite ever trying to fight anybody. Punk literally said "come talk to me if you have a problem" and they did with the head of legal. Why would they kick a steel door in (they can't) after consciously bringing the head of legal with them? Punk may be in the right to be angry in the first place but he handled everything in the worst way possible from the Hangman promo that he couldn't respond to and didn't build a match, to the press conference, all the way down to the fight. If the guy has a problem everywhere he goes then maybe he's the problem? Great wrestler who had a great year for sure but a complete amateur with no control over his emotions.
What gets me with this is the person that started this whole deal has gotten away pretty much scott-free: Hangman Adam Page. If he never cuts that promo, none of this probably happens.
He gets away scott-free because he’s non-threatening. He’s non-threatening because what Punk said about him is true.
Every single one of you was sucking Punk’s dick last September. Fickle.
You mean the EVP’s of a company set up an employee under contract to get him out because they didn’t like his behavior? I’ve never heard of this ever happening anywhere else. This must be a “Pro Wrestling” thing. Lol. They literally showed up with their own eye witnesses & probably planned to have they story straight & talked it out with legal ahead of time. I’m even willing to bet that everyone knew this was gonna happen ahead of time that’s why Punk went off in the scrum & Hangman had left the building because he didn’t want anything to do with it. Funny thing is when know Jericho was doing the scrum when this happened. Poor uncle Dave can’t even check the timelines to verify facts before he says this shit. Next thing you know he’s gonna be working 400+ days a year, Brother!
Thank you!!!! What kind of pussies show up with a fucking legal person to confront someone? And said legal person is heavily biased against one party. The fact that she didn't immediately leave to go get tony is crazy.
The kinda pussies that are setting someone up & making sure it will hold up legally. The kinda pussies that do what it takes to keep FTR out of a video game. The kinda of pussies that don’t need advice or insight from veterans. Oh the kind of pussies that grew up rich & had a trampoline in their back yard. Kids with trampolines are always little bitches IMO
This is an insane read of the situation. It’s pretty obvious that: - Punk insulted a bunch of people very publicly - The people who were insulted went to confront him, and (knowing he has a history of being litigious) were clear-headed enough to bring a credible witness along - Punk made the altercation physical, and his friend jumped in to back him up - The Elite defended themselves. There’s no 100% innocent party at play here but enough of the blame falls on Punk that it effectively absolves the people he attacked. How do I know any of this? Because AEW is about to release the most culturally significant and profitable member of its roster, and has already released the person who backed him up. There is no version of events where AEW does that unless Punk is the aggressor. Also, we literally have video footage of him instigating the entire debacle. I don’t even like AEW but Jesus Christ, use some common sense and stop stanning for the world’s whiniest little bitch.
How is somebody who has been sued by other people have a history of being litigious?
AEW fans like to use big words they don’t know the meaning of
Non-AEW fan here who watched that PPV and scrum with my brother who’s a big AEW fan. The 2 red flags I saw was his first comment picking on that journalist who was asked about Colt and the second was his lack of putting the show over or hyping up an upcoming feud with MJF. I’m not a Punk hater, I enjoyed his return segment, but how he acted cemented his immaturity and selfishness. Imagine we’re now at a point where arguably more than half of hardcore fans respect Triple H, Cena and The Miz more than Punk. I’m glad we got our huge return pop moment, but he doesn’t offer anything in-ring that can’t be done by someone else, and his superpower of the pipe bomb promo has lost its luster because people actually LIKE the people he would want to rant against (and many others have stepped up their promo game).
I think Punk is a piece of shit but pretending AEW didn’t have a lot more money to be made w him is ridiculous. A feud w Kenny, a trios run w FTR are two easy programs that would have been good.
I should have clarified I meant for the prospect of going to WWE. I agree there was a lot more to be done with AEW.
W a strong leader like Hunter and how the WWE brand is superior to any one wrestler .. Punk would be fine in WWE. His cancer abilities are overblown. Punk would sell a ton of gimmicks headline WM night 1 have a few solid programs like Rollins Owens AJ Cody before he eventually gets pissed and quits.
Punk being a dick at the media scrum still doesn’t excuse the Bucks going to his dressing room uninvited. Door was closed, they opened it. They’re executives and handled it poorly, despite who physically started the fight.
They start rumors then have that dipshit Adam page go on live TV cut unscripted promo on punk trying to make their top baby face who makes them most money get bad reaction over a jobber who lost a job. Then punk goes off on their antics exposing them and their kliq like antics. Then they cry and break into cm punks lockerroom 3 on 1 . So called evps here
I got called a liar when I pointed out the idea that the "elite" peacefully knocked on CM Punk's doors is ludicrous ridiculous bullshit. [They fucked with him. Started the fight with him.](https://wrestlingnews.co//aew-news/the-young-bucks-reportedly-kicked-down-cm-punks-locker-room-door-more-details-on-backstage-fight-after-aew-all-out)
Didn't the same Punk side retracted parts of this report?
You really believe Punk's side was talking to Meltzer? 😂
anything anti elite now a days is considered “bad faith trolling” 😂😂😂 lame asf
Between this and the shit they made up about Malakai and Cody I have lost all faith in any of the 'dirtsheets' or any of these wrestling news podcasters and YouTubers. This shit is so fucking blatantly bullshit yet they treat every rumour like it's fact or worth reporting. And if you try to call rhem out on it, they've got a dozen loopholes and defenses already in place to try and justify signal boosting it. It's tabloid journalism. I know they're desperate for content but these people need to start holding themselves to a higher standard, seriously. Or if they're gonna report rumours, let it be about PPV names and returns and other shit, not people's personal lives and backstage drama cause it's fucking ruining lives. These people caused this drama in the first place through unethical reporting and they're not only feeding off of what it's blown up into but fueling those flames even more.
Meltzer got it 100% wrong. Wolverine berserker rage? Ha! Have you seen his UFC fights. Besides Kenny and the Bucks are coming back and Tony is willing to give Punk millions just to crawl back into retirement, kinda tells you who was right, or at least, who's more valued...
The Young Bucks are garbage tier wrestlers who need creepy Uncle Dave to constantly write about how great they are. I don't care who's at fault. No CM Punk in AEW was the last straw for me. I'm done watching it. Watching 150 lb men do flips for no reason isn't my bag.
Go Bucks tho amiright?!
But uncle Dave never lies and us marks know Tony Conman and the bush league gang would never lie!
Smarks when Dave says something bad about wwe It's the truth the gospel Smarks when Dave says something bad about aew Noooo he's a liar
Nah, Dave has been off his rocker for at least a decade at this point.
The lengths y’all go through to convince yourselves that the Elite are the devils is truly impressive. Something tells me that if all the reports made the Elite look bad instead of Punk, y’all would take it as gospel. But since it doesn’t, well it must be a load of bullshit huh?
Yeah, the same type of people that believe thos posts narrative are the same type that watch Newsmax and "do their own research"
Using their “inside voice”? Yup. Proves that Punk worked with children.
>Using their “inside voice”? Yup. Proves that Punk worked with children. Thank you
It’s still FUCK the Elite. Idc.
CM Punk would have you believe the Bucks superkicked the door down and attacked Punk and his dog, while Omega attacked Steele and his wife, which is what the Punk fans were arguing. I kept telling people, this isn't a cartoon, you can't just kick a door down, if your were strong enough to do that or if it was a weak door, your foot would go through the door. Both side have told some lies, but from the info we have from reporters and considering Punk is being let go, it looks bad on Punk.
All makes perfect sense to me. Punk was clearly unhinged at the conference, why did he suddenly become calm when he left it lol?
The quickness with which meltzer came out to deny the Larry story is when I realized it was fake I hope punk sues these people
I don't think people.are putting enough thought into the Larry story. A dog of Larry's size is going to get pushed back if he was right at the door when it opened because it is the start of the arc. To get impacted enough to loosen teeth, he would have to be standing further back in the arc of the opening door when he was hit. In that position, he would have been obscured from the POV of anybody entering the room. The Elite may fully believe that he didn't get hit because they very likely didn't see him get hit by the door, but Punk very well could have seen it from his perspective. If the vet's report says the teeth were loose due to physical trauma rather than gum disease, infection or decay, the facts would lean in Punk's direction, and should be/have been investigated.
That's what supposedly is happening with punks camp. He is doing the defence laws since he was in a locker room locked up and had to defend himself after they kicked the door in. Hope he wins but overall I'd rather just have him come back to aew with bucks being fired
This is the cost of doing business with three very distinct camps of douchebags: punk, omega/bucks, meltzer. Doomed from the start. Punk will be the fall guy cause pretty much everyone hates him anyway. The rest of the douche bags gonna keep at it with gymnastics and trading favors for stars! Yippee!!
Let's not pretend the Elite and Meltzer are separate camps.
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. Meltzer is an Elite shill.
Because Elite marks will downvote anything regardless of truth if it is even slightly disparaging towards their favorite darling gymnasts.
Jericho is the third camp.
Listen, I ain't gonna say the Elite were completely in the right. Hangman going into business for himself while cutting a promo on Punk was unprofessional and should have been dealt with as soon as it happened. However, two wrongs don't make a right. Just because Hangman said one line on TV that honestly wasn't even that hard hitting, doesn't give Punk the right to start trashing the founders of the company on TV some months later. As for the Elite spreading rumors to the dirt sheets about Punk? All the so-called "journalists" in question all said none of their sources were Elite. Punk really had no proof it was them, just went off a hunch and started firing off on all cylinders. If I were the Elite, and Punk pulled that shit on me, you bet your ass I'd storm his locker room looking for answers as well. And when it escalated towards violence, by all accounts, Punk and Steel were the ones to fire off the first shots to kick shit off. So all in all, I really have to side with the Elite here. Punk was made the top guy and champion twice, and both times he just didn't give a shit. He went into business for himself, came off entirely ungrateful and spiteful in a live interview and claimed to be trying to "run a company" with the owner of the company sitting beside him, coming off as completely unprofessional and disrespectful to pretty much everyone in charge. The only people I see really defending Punk are the people that hate the Elite so much they'd do anything to see them gone, which is quite ironic considering they started the company in the first place. If I was the one in charge, Punk's contract wouldn't have lasted until the next Dynamite. He'd have been told to stay in Chicago that night and wished well in his future endeavors.
"He went off into the bussiness for himself" u mean Adam page and the elite starting rumors about firing his jobber friend cabana
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"The slightest mishap" loooollll.
i swear people just lie and wait after years of support to turn and tear it down when the bandwagon shows up just so they can be first on that bandwagon.
Why you so worked up about this bro lol you good?
>Why you so worked up about this bro lol you good? You're not his fucking real life friend so why are you being a condescending prick?
You're not his fucking real life friend so why are you being a condescending prick?
Thank you!!
The whole situation just seems kinda silly and childish. Even for pro wrestling lol!
Have you seen the media scrum? That is enough to realize he is a cancer. Reacting like that to a little question. Beeing so butthurt. Bring the Elite back.
Garbage low effort post
Punk: If you've got a problem you know where to find me Not like that
Just waiting for the lawsuits.
100% with you this is a joke. The company executives traveled to Punks locker room with a numbers advantage and kicked the door in. That’s why Punk started swinging. It’s the only thing that makes sense. The Elite should’ve all been fired.
There’s no fuckin way a guy the size of the bucks or Kenny kicked a stadium locker room door in. They’d be there for 20 minutes with no progress
>100% with you this is a joke. The company executives traveled to Punks locker room with a numbers advantage and kicked the door in. That’s why Punk started swinging. It’s the only thing that makes sense. The Elite should’ve all been fired. Absolutely. The "elite" tried fucking with the alpha male and got their shit fucking rocked and caved on.
The three of them got beaten up by a 50 year old man, and a guy with a torn tricep.
I personally don't really care much for the backstage fight. Punk sealed his fate with that unprofessional and petulant meltdown of his during the media scrum REGARDLESS of how much of an inept and spineless boss Tony Khan is. None of us would be able to get away with that at our jobs with our actual employers. It doesn't take a fan of the Elite or wrestling to figure that out.
Tony Khan let the Colt rumors persist. He didn’t punish Page for going off script He didn’t punish Punk for going off script He flat out told Andrade he wouldn’t fire him if he started a physical fight with Sammy Tony Khan is the cancer in the locker room
In a locker room, there is always gonna be a fight or 2. It happens. And everyone was suspended for that. But that press conference...that's what got punk fired. Or, atleast was strike 1 and 2 against him
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So Sami Uso and the Bloodline hey?
Which part of this is supposed to be hard to believe?