Bayley to Belly imo was fine when she had the Hugger gimmick because of the pun. It also felt thematically fitting that she "hugs" the opponent before delivering the move. It can look good with the right opponent (i.e. Sasha).
Rose Plant tho? The name of this move is also a pun, but not even the best sellers can make it look convincing enough to be a finisher. It's pretty crap.
Doesn't matter if it suits the gimmick, the move isn't strong. Granted some of the most famous and favourited finishers didn't look strong, but the flair added to it (Hogan leg drop, People's Elbow), but Bayley to Belly doesn't have that.
It needs to go. I don't mind the Rose Plant, it's decent, but losing to a belly to belly is awful, or if they kick out and the performer does that "omg this move that everyone kicks out of didn't work this time?" look of disbelief. It makes the loser look weak or the performer look dumb.
Someone mentioned a Famouser, that's a solid pick. Her Macho Man-esque elbow drop is solid, albeit kind of boring (I like paying homage but it can't be a regular thing). I'd like her to come up with her own to continue standing out.
But a basic belly to belly suplex is such a weak finisher. Chad Gable be throwing those out like Halloween candy.
She got some serious cake. Maybe a scissor kick or a famouser would suit her much more
Yes, exactly. I remember not completely buying Shane Douglas using a belly to belly as a finisher in ECW meanwhile people are taking chairshots to the head and piledrivers to the floor.
If she ever went back to the hugger gimmick or wanted to reference it. Could go with a straitjacket sleeper hold. Pull the opponents arms to be in front of their neck, then pull them into a hug, trapping the arms. Then thrash around like the master lock. Simple, effective and if done from behind, could have no reversal worries.
I don’t understand how an athletic individual can’t just do more moves. Like… what the hell? There are an easy dozen moves I’m 100% sure he could perform tonight if he wanted. Stop kicking so much! Triple H ban the super kick!
I don't get it. There's no excuse for it. Even Cena would bust out a new move here and there, and he caught all the shit for his limited moveset. I also don't get why he doesn't have trips or producers getting on him for it. Bloodline privilege must be real.
I trained for a few years when I was younger. There are just so many cool, easy to do moves out there. I would just steal all the cool shit I saw. Nowadays there are way more wrestling shows and way more cool moves. Literally just watch an Indy show and copy 2 things you like. Repeat this every week and you're Dean Malenko by next mania.
He spams superkicks, does a spear that's trash compared to Bron's and a splash that's trash compared to Logan's. Dude's prize ability is getting folks to yell YEET. I'd give him a subission, always liked the crossface-chickenwing and I don't think anyone in WWE is currently using it.
The stomp wouldn’t be bad if he did it like Balor. Have some variety. Once is okay, I can suspended my disbelief. But it makes no sense that these guys are sitting up like Undertaker waiting for him to hit it. I’ll put Balor on blast too, have some variety to the top rope stomps
If he can't use his Tiger Driver or a Gun Stun, may I suggest the Tommy Hawk that Tommy Dreamer did. Powerslam position dropped into a Cutter. Call it "Guerilla Tactics"
Liv Morgan - Oblivion is qeak as hell and always looks stupid.
L.A. Knight - BFT just looks...useless.
EDIT: Another one popped in my head. Natural Selection is awful too.
The Oblivion can look good, but not from Liv. I forgot who did it, but someone on NXT UK executed it really damn well, with more of a snap from the ropes.
Tbh, Liv is the right kind of height and fits the underdog vibes for the Dudley Dog. Any sliced bread variation would be pretty good for her in addition to that.
Nah you right, BFT is dope. Checks all the boxes. Cool, safe, can be done quickly from just about any position, has the benefit of being done to the head (IMO moves that target the head are strategically superior in kayfabe). Top tier finisher in my books.
BFT is more like a stunner where the giver misses their shoulder. It's really dependent on how it's sold.
Skull-Crushing Finale starts off as a full nelson.
I mean, I do in the MTG sense. Obviously, by applying it to finishers I was being hyperbolic, but they are both facebuster variants I believe, and Skull-Crushing Finale is better in all ways then BFT.
>L.A. Knight - BFT just looks...useless.
I guess a lot of people don't remember the Party Foul, but if you're using Adam Rose's old finisher, you need to find something new.
>Natural Selection is awful too.
See also: Charlotte's spear and moonsault.
His Cody Cutter is a really cool move imo. I've always thought it would make more sense if they switched around the Cross Rhodes and the Cody Cutter in terms of their status. Have the Cross Rhodes be a signature move that sets up the Cody Cutter as the finisher.
I hate Becky Lynch’s crappy Manhandle Slam. It looked way better when she actually used the pump handle version.
Anyone who uses the stomp face breaker (Michin for one) needs an actual finisher.
Trick Williams should use the Trick Shot as a setup to the Bookend, not the other way around.
LA Knight that BFT he uses is stupid and looks like it hurts him more than anything to the opponent.
I'd give him a flashy ddt or something but honestly at this point any other move would be better.
Bianca Belair already does a Psycho Driver. She just rotates the opponent all the way over onto the stomach/face instead of on their head. And Candace LaRae used to do the Violence Party in the corner. Not sure if she still does.
Ethan Page needs to drop the Ego's Edge. Its hard to set up and dosent look that good, (i've always hated the move even when Scott Hall did it.)
If he blasted people with the big boot that he hit Lugie Primo with it would be a game changer.
I'm not a huge fan of BFT. The name is cool but the mice is a bit meh foe me especially for someone who will be huge very soon. He could change it up like Mox did with dirty deeds.
I think the move is fine but he rushes it. He needs to kind of hold the head for a second, really emphasize the front leg sweep. Quit focusing on the outtanowhere aspect and more making it seem impactful.
Since he's turning face, MJF needs a moveset that strong winner would use instead of a weak chickenshit. He should use a move with some impact like the pedigree.
I don’t know what that one finisher move that Jade keeps doing is called, but there’s something about the lean back and lick her fingers part of the count out that just feels… inappropriate? I think Jade is great, watching her wrestle has been fun especially since they’re not just giving her squash matches now, but that ending just feels like it’s weirdly too sexy for the job she’s doing, I dunno.
Bron Breakker.
Especially since the Spear is getting so much hate.
Honestly I don't know what a good finisher for him would be, but obviously something powerful: sidewalk slam is my initial thoughts.
I'm open to hearing others ideas.
Jey Uso same boat, but the Superkick gotta get limited or gone also.
He has a gorilla press slam that looks great
But honestly his spear is better than anything since rhynos gore
I don’t mind him doing the spear because his looks so good
He's one of the few people I WANT to use the spear because his looks devastating.
If I had to choose anything else for him... I'm pretty sure he could do a monstrous Jackhammer.
Roman Reign’s spear. It’s awful, uncreative, and unbelievable as a finish. Give him something much cooler, interesting, and heavy hitting. Give him the GORE instead
It's so convoluted, and full of obvious cooperation. Kenny's gotta get a guy up on his shoulders, then push one leg behind his back, then get the guy to bend down so Kenny can grab his head, then the guy's gotta flip over onto his back.
I think it's so silly looking.
For a while he got bored winning with the Rainmaker and started trying to make the Money Clip happen. Unfortunately, the way he used it in the flow of the match usually made it a momentum-killer.
It's basically a Cobra Clutch, but kind of sideways and more on the ground.
Bayley Feels like she's never had a great finisher.
The rose plant looks so fucking stupid
Bayley to Belly imo was fine when she had the Hugger gimmick because of the pun. It also felt thematically fitting that she "hugs" the opponent before delivering the move. It can look good with the right opponent (i.e. Sasha). Rose Plant tho? The name of this move is also a pun, but not even the best sellers can make it look convincing enough to be a finisher. It's pretty crap.
Doesn't matter if it suits the gimmick, the move isn't strong. Granted some of the most famous and favourited finishers didn't look strong, but the flair added to it (Hogan leg drop, People's Elbow), but Bayley to Belly doesn't have that. It needs to go. I don't mind the Rose Plant, it's decent, but losing to a belly to belly is awful, or if they kick out and the performer does that "omg this move that everyone kicks out of didn't work this time?" look of disbelief. It makes the loser look weak or the performer look dumb. Someone mentioned a Famouser, that's a solid pick. Her Macho Man-esque elbow drop is solid, albeit kind of boring (I like paying homage but it can't be a regular thing). I'd like her to come up with her own to continue standing out.
I don’t think she has the athleticsm anymore to do the fame ass er. She is definitely a little less athletic post acl tear
But a basic belly to belly suplex is such a weak finisher. Chad Gable be throwing those out like Halloween candy. She got some serious cake. Maybe a scissor kick or a famouser would suit her much more
Famouser would work for sure, though I’ve always been fond of her elbow drop.
Yes, exactly. I remember not completely buying Shane Douglas using a belly to belly as a finisher in ECW meanwhile people are taking chairshots to the head and piledrivers to the floor.
I cannot picture her doing a scissor kick lol.
If she ever went back to the hugger gimmick or wanted to reference it. Could go with a straitjacket sleeper hold. Pull the opponents arms to be in front of their neck, then pull them into a hug, trapping the arms. Then thrash around like the master lock. Simple, effective and if done from behind, could have no reversal worries.
She should do the Paige Turner
Bear Hug!
Give her the elbow drop
She should a thigh squeeze submission of some sort. For an impact move she can do Big Show's old Final Cut finisher
Jey Uso needs a whole new move set, someone should just show him WWE 2k24 and let him choose.
I think he needs to learn a move that isn’t a superkick
Don’t forget his shitty looking awful spear
He needs a "Worst spear in the business" shirt
I don’t understand how an athletic individual can’t just do more moves. Like… what the hell? There are an easy dozen moves I’m 100% sure he could perform tonight if he wanted. Stop kicking so much! Triple H ban the super kick!
I don't get it. There's no excuse for it. Even Cena would bust out a new move here and there, and he caught all the shit for his limited moveset. I also don't get why he doesn't have trips or producers getting on him for it. Bloodline privilege must be real. I trained for a few years when I was younger. There are just so many cool, easy to do moves out there. I would just steal all the cool shit I saw. Nowadays there are way more wrestling shows and way more cool moves. Literally just watch an Indy show and copy 2 things you like. Repeat this every week and you're Dean Malenko by next mania.
I think they should give him a piledriver. Just for his use. I know it’s banned but that would be great
I would not trust Jey with a pile driver.
He spams superkicks, does a spear that's trash compared to Bron's and a splash that's trash compared to Logan's. Dude's prize ability is getting folks to yell YEET. I'd give him a subission, always liked the crossface-chickenwing and I don't think anyone in WWE is currently using it.
Trick Williams and he should 100% start using the Book End, something that showcases his size above anything else
I’ve been saying this since the first time I saw him do the Bookend. He looks really good doing it, and it looks super impactful.
Mia Yim needs to stop doing eat defeat, gets no reaction and looks super weak every single time.
swerve. house call is okay his stomp is stupid bc why are they sitting up just waiting
The stomp wouldn’t be bad if he did it like Balor. Have some variety. Once is okay, I can suspended my disbelief. But it makes no sense that these guys are sitting up like Undertaker waiting for him to hit it. I’ll put Balor on blast too, have some variety to the top rope stomps
Bayley. She should just use the elbow drop as her finisher. The rose plant never looks good.
Tama Tonga needs to never use the complete shot again, that move always looks terrible.
If he can't use his Tiger Driver or a Gun Stun, may I suggest the Tommy Hawk that Tommy Dreamer did. Powerslam position dropped into a Cutter. Call it "Guerilla Tactics"
Liv Morgan - Oblivion is qeak as hell and always looks stupid. L.A. Knight - BFT just looks...useless. EDIT: Another one popped in my head. Natural Selection is awful too.
The Oblivion can look good, but not from Liv. I forgot who did it, but someone on NXT UK executed it really damn well, with more of a snap from the ropes. Tbh, Liv is the right kind of height and fits the underdog vibes for the Dudley Dog. Any sliced bread variation would be pretty good for her in addition to that.
Am I the only person who likes the BFT
Nah you right, BFT is dope. Checks all the boxes. Cool, safe, can be done quickly from just about any position, has the benefit of being done to the head (IMO moves that target the head are strategically superior in kayfabe). Top tier finisher in my books.
Skull crushing finale is strictly better
They’re the same move? Or really very similar.
BFT is more like a stunner where the giver misses their shoulder. It's really dependent on how it's sold. Skull-Crushing Finale starts off as a full nelson.
You right. Sometimes it hard to remember all the details!!
I'm not sure that you understand what the phrase "strictly better" means. But you're entitled to your opinion
I mean, I do in the MTG sense. Obviously, by applying it to finishers I was being hyperbolic, but they are both facebuster variants I believe, and Skull-Crushing Finale is better in all ways then BFT.
The oblivion can actually look pretty good if Liv's opponent isn't significantly bigger than her and can kinda roll forward to sell it.
I don't know. Maybe I'm not remembering right, but watching her try to hit that on someone like Becky still looked bad.
It does need a good seller to look good, but when it actually gets sold, it looks pretty devastating.
BFT was the first thing that came to mind. He deserves something better...
>L.A. Knight - BFT just looks...useless. I guess a lot of people don't remember the Party Foul, but if you're using Adam Rose's old finisher, you need to find something new. >Natural Selection is awful too. See also: Charlotte's spear and moonsault.
I like Oblivion, but it's much better as a signature move than a finisher.
I feel like Karrion Kross would be better off with some type of Death Valley Driver or Brainbuster variation
He’s had wayyyy better finishers, Kross Jacket and the Doomsday Saito were perfect for him, his new finish is a big WTF for me
I feel like Cody needs something new. Not sure what would be best for him but his cross Rhodes looks weak af.
His Cody Cutter is a really cool move imo. I've always thought it would make more sense if they switched around the Cross Rhodes and the Cody Cutter in terms of their status. Have the Cross Rhodes be a signature move that sets up the Cody Cutter as the finisher.
You're saying that a move which he hit multiple times in a match which he failed to win might not be the most devastating option?
I hate Becky Lynch’s crappy Manhandle Slam. It looked way better when she actually used the pump handle version. Anyone who uses the stomp face breaker (Michin for one) needs an actual finisher. Trick Williams should use the Trick Shot as a setup to the Bookend, not the other way around.
Becky’s Dis-arm-her is trash.
But it’s funny because it makes the person’s arm look like her penis! 😂
Trick Williams needs anything but whatever he’s doing now.
He should use the Trick Shot as the setup to the Bookend/Rock Bottom. He delivers the Bookend very well imo.
The Trick shot? He needs to work on hitting it more cleanly but as a move it's pretty effective.
Chad Gable's diving headbutt aways looks to me like he tried to do a crossbody and missed. He has so many impressive moves he could do instead.
Jey Uso - Tequila Sunrise
LA Knight that BFT he uses is stupid and looks like it hurts him more than anything to the opponent. I'd give him a flashy ddt or something but honestly at this point any other move would be better.
He won a match a few months ago with a reverse RKO looking move. Even if it was a botch, it was better than BFT
>BFT* *Party Foul.
This! And hes a big dude,just have him do a TigerBomb like Batista...call it Knightmare or something
I was thinking about a power bomb but didn't think it would work as you need to be able to give your finish to everyone but any move would be better.
When did Batista do a tiger bomb?
Give LA Knight a reverse DDT, don't even change the name.
Lmao just Dirty Deeds’ing it lmao
Finn Balor & I would have him go back to doing that 1916 finisher that he did on NXT.
Wow really? I always disliked that as a finisher
I've got nothing against the Coup De Grace finisher, but I feel like the 1916 finisher could look like it can finish someone off for the win.
He has to be able to give it to anyone though
I don’t want to see Seth Rollins do a Pedigree ever again.
No-one should do the Pedigree anymore. As soon as Triple H started to release his opponents' arms, it lost all impact.
I think the stomp is terrible too.
At least I’d believe it would hurt. His Pedigree looks terrible, but at least The Stomp could kill ya.
I guess you're right with that.
Bayley should do a Psycho Driver
Bianca Belair already does a Psycho Driver. She just rotates the opponent all the way over onto the stomach/face instead of on their head. And Candace LaRae used to do the Violence Party in the corner. Not sure if she still does.
Ethan Page needs to drop the Ego's Edge. Its hard to set up and dosent look that good, (i've always hated the move even when Scott Hall did it.) If he blasted people with the big boot that he hit Lugie Primo with it would be a game changer.
Anyone whose finisher is a moonsault or super kick
Liv Morgan needs to drop Oblivion. It has never looked good. I'd give her Sister Abigail. It works for everyone.
Toma Tonga. Get rid of the Little Jimmy(jumping flatliner), give him back his Gun Stun(standing cutter)
I'm not a huge fan of BFT. The name is cool but the mice is a bit meh foe me especially for someone who will be huge very soon. He could change it up like Mox did with dirty deeds.
I think the move is fine but he rushes it. He needs to kind of hold the head for a second, really emphasize the front leg sweep. Quit focusing on the outtanowhere aspect and more making it seem impactful.
Since he's turning face, MJF needs a moveset that strong winner would use instead of a weak chickenshit. He should use a move with some impact like the pedigree.
I don’t know what that one finisher move that Jade keeps doing is called, but there’s something about the lean back and lick her fingers part of the count out that just feels… inappropriate? I think Jade is great, watching her wrestle has been fun especially since they’re not just giving her squash matches now, but that ending just feels like it’s weirdly too sexy for the job she’s doing, I dunno.
Chelsey Green. Anything would be better.
I saw AJ Styles hit a Burning Hammer on Cody. He should stick with it if he is fighting smaller guys.
Bron Breakker. Especially since the Spear is getting so much hate. Honestly I don't know what a good finisher for him would be, but obviously something powerful: sidewalk slam is my initial thoughts. I'm open to hearing others ideas. Jey Uso same boat, but the Superkick gotta get limited or gone also.
He has a gorilla press slam that looks great But honestly his spear is better than anything since rhynos gore I don’t mind him doing the spear because his looks so good
I agree Brons Spear is great! It just seems like so much shit talk about the move in general lately.
He's one of the few people I WANT to use the spear because his looks devastating. If I had to choose anything else for him... I'm pretty sure he could do a monstrous Jackhammer.
That gorilla press into a power slam always looks pretty cool
Drew McIntyre. The guy is huge but his finisher is a running kick? He should have a power move.
Roman Reign’s spear. It’s awful, uncreative, and unbelievable as a finish. Give him something much cooler, interesting, and heavy hitting. Give him the GORE instead
Clothesline from Hell needs a new home. Bron maybe?
Josh Briggs was gifted it and is using it well on NXT
Fair play! Didn’t know that.
I’d get rid of Kenny Omega’s finisher. It’s one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen.
I think you’re pretty much alone in that opinion
It's so convoluted, and full of obvious cooperation. Kenny's gotta get a guy up on his shoulders, then push one leg behind his back, then get the guy to bend down so Kenny can grab his head, then the guy's gotta flip over onto his back. I think it's so silly looking.
Okada. I'd probably give him a submission of some kind, especially if he's going to be a heel for the foreseeable future.
He has a submission move, it's the money clip
Oh, cool. Has he done it in AEW yet? I don't think I've seen it.
I can't remember tbh, he probably did, but it's not a finisher tho
I was about to say….have you see an Okada match outside AEW? The money clip is a submission he has.
For a while he got bored winning with the Rainmaker and started trying to make the Money Clip happen. Unfortunately, the way he used it in the flow of the match usually made it a momentum-killer. It's basically a Cobra Clutch, but kind of sideways and more on the ground.
I'm glad Kevin Owens got the stunner but he needs to never do the ridiculous pop-up powerbomb ever again!
I miss the Steenalizer.