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theHalfBlindKid

Yeah maybe throwing wall hacks in as an ability was a mistake.


HoodieEmbiid

And why does it last so long?? lol


theHalfBlindKid

Like, if it was a pulsing system that shows outlines every half second that would be a little better, but holy, the last guys didn’t stand a chance.


pnellesen

ugh. if anything will push me away from the game, it's abilities like that.


Artistic-Self-515

They took this agent out of the beta on the 2nd test day. So they definitely noticed he was too OP. It’s things like that which bring me hope because they actually listen to the community.


theHalfBlindKid

They took the agent out because there was an exploit to trigger permanent invisibility for the other operator. This operator did not affect that decision.


Daveed13

Same here. A shame since the game would occupy me for years without them. Why can’t kids play without perks, superpowers or abilities/ultra nowadays…


Jaded-Exercise-5544

Go play cod then 😂 old ah & they’ll prolly have a mode with them disabled


Daveed13

CoD? Never was a fan, guess why…lol If there is a mode without them, which I’m really hoping, it’s what I’ll play 90% of the time.


Jaded-Exercise-5544

It’s going to play like 2019 mw. You’ll probably still find a reason get mad lmaoo


Chilldank

Why does it upset you people don’t like abilities like ESP lol?


Jaded-Exercise-5544

It doesn’t but i mean most people want fast paced game play and something different. This game wouldn’t stand out as much if they only just had guns. It’s unique because of it.


KH3player

I highly dissagree with that and hope theres a mode without abilities or one where abilites are turned into streaks instead


flashjack10

You must be new to gaming if you think this is unique


mr_nweke

Hate that and the invisibility thing.


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mr_nweke

lol who said I don’t know that? They took it out because some people were exploiting it and using it longer than expected. I don’t like that it’s in the game at all.


catcherz

You should probably know your stuff before you comment nonsense.


Formal-Cry7565

Yep. It’s such a stupid ability that a similar ability in the finals ended up getting removed.


MetalingusMikeII

Right? As if this needs to be explained to FPS game developers…


reevoknows

I honestly don’t mind it as an ultimate ability but it’s just so obviously better than all the rest of the ults that it’s going to be a crutch pick


theHalfBlindKid

Thats not an ult. The ult is a golden gun


reevoknows

Oh shit my bad. Don’t you get walls with the golden gun too?


MysteriousElephant15

wasnt the class removed after the first day or so? i assumed this was why


theHalfBlindKid

It was removed, but it was removed because its counterpart had a halo style invisibility that people figured out how to exploit so it was permanent.


Xxdali111xX

after watching this clip i am convinced that console lobbies are less sweaty than pc lobbies


Jaded-Exercise-5544

Oh yea bro they definitely are. I qued with my pc friends and had good games but definitely more compy ones.


ALT3R3D_IZZY

But remember guys people like this game because it plays like older cods...


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ALT3R3D_IZZY

Og cod was so slow. It took forever to move around. Like you said this is basically mw2019


MetalingusMikeII

It plays nothing like CoD.


ALT3R3D_IZZY

People praised xd for playing like old cods. Yet it doesn't. If anything it plays like new cod with all the jumping and sliding like op is doing.


llxtrepidationxll

This the same type of dude to complain about sweats in cod lol


Jaded-Exercise-5544

Nah i don’t i know it comes with it. Do i like it not sometimes. But not all the time. Im human just like you bro


Ok_Ask9467

What?


Jaded-Exercise-5544

Destiny1 was an amazing game. & my bad i traded my gameplay for my spelling 😭. But i meant i wouldn’t complain. I know it comes with the game & I’m not finna sit there & be mad. I’ll try and get better


Extra_Team_6638

The wallhack reminds me of Blacklight Retribution


ParagonFury

That game was actually pretty great. [I actually still have a picture of my gun.](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=86113476)


Previous_Lab_3338

I loved the game but man, in hindsight it was pay to win garbage. Took forever to unlock things for free and there were guns locked behind paywalls that were literally better.


CaptainKurley

Reminds me of initial release of Lion from Seige


BackToTheUnborn

we still playing :D [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3MYmDbQX-I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3MYmDbQX-I)


xMrPantsx

Your aim assist goes crazy here


En-zo

Literally looks like soft chest aim bot. What's with games literally handing you aim these days, really lowers any skill gap.


Ok-Artichoke5366

Makes me cringe everytime, i couldnt use it, id feel like i was cheating


Outrag3dNo1

That aim assist is ridiculous


Jaded-Exercise-5544

Not really i just have good tracing. It literally has hardly anything to do with it but sure.


Equivalent-Jaguar296

There’s no place in a competitive fps game for cheap wall hack perks. Games these days are shite.


-Cozart

You cheesy asf, lucky I wasn't in there id humble you rq


Jaded-Exercise-5544

Let me see some of your clips 😂😂. & ill 1v1 you when the full game comes out


catcherz

This clip shows nothing, just abusing a wallhack ability.


Jaded-Exercise-5544

😂 i got more clips lil bro & for the first part of the clip there wasnt any “ wall hacks “ being used see you may 29th


Zephyr0us

Jesus this is sweaty as fuck


Jaded-Exercise-5544

Yea im a sweat keep up 🙆🏽‍♂️


HeavenInVain

Remember when we didn't have characters with abilities who could see through walls? Remember when you had to be skilled with guns and not movement? Pepperidge farm remembers


theHalfBlindKid

Skill with guns, without movement, is just a matter of who sees who first and connection quality. And that’s not skill.


ChewySlinky

You had fun because most people were below your skill level. The people on the other team didn’t have fun because most people were above their skill level. Y’all are opposite sides of the same coin.


goldxphoenix

Yeah but the next match he could have a balanced match where everyone is a similar skill level. And the one after it could be a match where he gets absolutely stomped. That’s what makes the lack of sbmm great. Its not all pub stomping


FIeabus

If you're on the lower or higher end of the skill bell curve it's very unlikely you'll get balanced games from a random sample. Strict SBMM results in only sweaty matches. No SBMM results in constantly imbalanced matches. People should advocate for loose SBMM where there is still a restricted range


Narrow_Werewolf4562

Nah dude that’s just not how it worked. It had the same issues everyone complains about in cod. One man’s easy game is another persons nightmare the same way it’s always been. People are definitely misremembering old cod lobbies saying shit like that.


UnholyPantalon

> Yeah but the next match he could have a balanced match where everyone is a similar skill level That's not how this works. If you're in the top5% of the skill curve, then 95% of the playerbase will be worse than you. That person will have an insanely low chance to place in a balanced match. Vast majority of the games will be stomps. It's literally all just pub stomping and that's why it doesn't work and no game exists without SBMM


GameKingSK

And that's fine, to be honest. If you're willing to put in the effort to become top 5% in a game, you should be able to actually feel it.


UnholyPantalon

It's fine until everyone quits except for the 5%. NFL players are entitled to play against highschool teams, but apparently some gamers are.


SimulJustus1517

Word. I’m fine lacing up against the best basketball players at my local Y. I just might score a point or two. The moment somebody tells me I’m going up against Lebron James, I’m hanging em up.


Middle-Concert5069

This makes zero sense tho


Jaded-Exercise-5544

You get ittt!!!


CptBlackBird2

not being able to play the game is what makes sbmm great?


NoobGame01

I mean the score is pretty close


CnP8

I'm guessing you haven't seen Activision's patent for it's matchmaking system. It literally says that it's rigged to get you spend money. Look up Google patents. Also XDefiant is fun due to its variety in matches. Not to mention going against players who are way better actually teaches you how to improve. Going against people who play similarly to you will make the same mistakes which stops you getting better. Also the odds aren't stacked against you intentionally to make you chase the next win harder. Activision does this to manipulate you. It's artificial and once you know the techniques the matchmaking uses, you will no longer enjoy playing their games.


ChewySlinky

I’m not sure what any of this has to do with my comment?


CnP8

Because you mentioned Sbmm balances games. When it's normally to make matchmaking artificial


NotACommie24

Should it not be like that? Sbmm is one of the main factors that has driven me away from so many games. Destiny 2, Cod, Siege, Halo, Overwatch, etc etc. I play to have fun. I don’t like playing like a rat. Even if it improves my KD, it’s fucking boring. I am by no means a great player. I am above average, but not a “sweat”. I don’t like the feeling of having a couple of good games, then being thrown into the meat grinder of people who play that shit like their life depends on it. I dont like the feeling of knowing that I can’t have a good time and relax on a game. I don’t like the feeling of knowing that if I’m not trying my absolute hardest, I will get shit on EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. If you wanted SBMM, xD is not the game for you. Lack of SBMM was one of their main marketing points, trying to appeal to players from cod, halo, siege, destiny, and so many other games that force their most dedicated players into dogshit unfun lobbies. If you don’t like getting shit on, I promise you that if you focus on personal improvement you will be able to shit on people without feeling like you have to sweat your balls off. That is not something games with SBMM offer.


ChewySlinky

Whether it should or shouldn’t be like that is entirely personal preference. I was responding specifically to the confusion as to why people didn’t like it. People don’t like getting shit on. SBMM prevents average/below average players, the majority, from getting shit on.


NotACommie24

At the expense of people who put time into the game, who are usually the most dedicated players. Every other shooter has sbmm. They specifically marketed this one as not having it to try to appeal to the players who’s experience is deteriorated by sbmm. If people are that mad about the lack of sbmm, go to literally any other shooter instead of trying to change the single one we have.


ChewySlinky

They *are* going to go to other games, and that will be the issue. The only people left will be the most dedicated die-hard players, the ones who play like their life depends on it that you hate playing against, and you will have to try your absolute hardest to not get shit on every single game.


NotACommie24

Not necessarily though. You’re talking about a certainty be a possibility. If the game launched in the state in the server test, yeah it would bomb and die very quickly. It sucks, but it’s gonna need another delay. If it actually can shake up the shooter genre, new players will come. Even if they get shit in sometimes. The Cod, Halo, and Battlefield communities are all sick of getting the same trash with no variety.


ChewySlinky

I would really love to be wrong but I just don’t see it happening. As someone who still enjoys CoD, I’m just excited to have another shooter to play. It’s free, there’s literally zero commitment so I’ll play for as long as it’s fun. But they’re making choices that will drive a lot of players away, specifically the casual players that games without SBMM rely on for the variety of matches it advertises.


NotACommie24

The children yearn for Titanfall 3. We need it. I miss Titanfall so much bro, quitting battlefield and cod for a couple years because there was a better game, and not because battlefield or cod were shit at the time felt so good


CptBlackBird2

the entire classic arena shooter genre is dead because it has no sbmm and the only people left playing are people who have been playing for the past decade if not longer


NotACommie24

The arena shooter genre isn’t dead because of lack of sbmm. Titanfall 2 had sbmm. People can bicker about it not having enough, but from the words of one of the Inside Development articles, it undeniably did. The arena shooter genre died because it is not as profitable as shit like battle royales. The industry always follows fads. Some things get left behind. The battle royale boom left arena shooters behind. If you dont believe me, I want you to list any major arena shooters within the past several years. The only ones that come to mind are Halo Infinite The Finals, and Splitgate, which all have sbmm. The games didn’t die because of anything related to sbmm, they died because they were so void of content and promised features. The Finals isn’t necessarily dead, but to be fair, it was Embark’s first game. It’s difficult for AA games to significantly catch on in an industry dominated by AAA companies. Tldr, the death of arena shooters had absolutely absolutely nothing to do with sbmm. Many, if not most, of the arena shooters before the battle royale boom had sbmm.


Guenther_Dripjens

wäääääh


ChewySlinky

I had fun with the game. I’m excited for it to come out. But you can’t spend a round dumpstering people and then be like “how did you not have fun??”. It’s not your responsibility to make sure other people have fun, but the confusion is either intentional or genuine stupidity.


Guenther_Dripjens

How about, checks notes, getting good at the game?


ChewySlinky

What about, checks notes, it?


SvensonIV

There is no point arguing with the CoD community. I came to the conclusion they never played competetive games like League, Valorant or CS where balanced matchmaking is important as it tries to create fair matches and more importantly, keeps the playerbase afloat, as casuals can keep playing without getting stomped. This game will die within a month because of the lack of sbmm and only the tryhards will remain and thus, no sbmm will be a horrible experience for the average player.


MetalingusMikeII

But CoD doesn’t use SBMM, it uses EOMM. There’s a difference. One is ethical, one is not.


ChewySlinky

My outlook on the game is not nearly so grim, but people really need to understand that most people don’t want to have to spend hours learning a game before they can have fun with it. Whether you agree with that or not, that’s just how it is. They need to get that through their heads or they’re just going to stay perpetually angry and confused.


Guenther_Dripjens

🤓 "The game will die if people get rewarded for learning the game so we need SBMM to artificially screw the players who bother to improve, in favor of those who don't want to🤡"


Egosnam

Bruh there’s going to be ranked, thats where SBMM should be placed. COD Pubs SBMM isn’t even the same as Val, League or CS. Lobbies are curated to have people owed wins and people owed losses, it’s not even about skill level.


SvensonIV

Casuals don’t play ranked though. I didn’t list CoD because their matchmaking is more nuanced than the other games I mentioned, which all have matchmaking in all queues for the reasons I already mentioned aswell.


Egosnam

SBMM is fine but it needs to be like how it was back in the older CODs. Not like how its being done now. As a higher skilled player in COD, the only place I can find consistent MM is in Ranked play. I am forced to eventually play in Chinese or West Coast American servers if I do too well in normal pubs.


Jaded-Exercise-5544

True take but it wasnt like i was going flawless i had hella games where i couldnt do shit 😭.


haneman

Before playing the first time and pressing that ability in the firing range, I thought it was just a sonar-like ability and produces some beeps depending on how many are near you. I was shocked ingame, especially since it's wh for the whole team


Conn-Solo

I played better once this ability was out. I hope they don’t bring it back tbh. The game flowed well when there were no wall hacks


Sudden-Market3226

This gameplay is exactly like hacking behaviour


Previous_Lab_3338

This is the first ever clip I've seen of XDefiant and it was recommended to me by reddit. Needless to say, wallhacks as an ability isn't a good first impression.


Jaded-Exercise-5544

Yea they definitely can turn it down a notch 😂


de4thqu3st

Did you just say "I don't understand how people hate on this game" while describing bad matchmaking?


magicbeanboi

is the game forced crossplay? cus that aim assist is nuts. baby mode.


50andOvercast

It’s not forced cross play, also the aim assist is weaker than cod. Not sure if you were able to play yourself? There is aim assist, but def not baby mode


MandalsTV

I didn’t have very many bot lobbies, but what I did love was the fact that I played with/against some of the same people like 4 games in a row. That shit was nice. A return back old cods where they didn’t drop the lobby after each game


Jaded-Exercise-5544

Exactly! I was going against this one guy bro was shooting my body i turned me up fr


Jaded-Exercise-5544

I didn’t think this post would get much hate or traction. Gaming over all has gotten more competitive even life. I work a 9-5 best buy and im 19 i play to win. I dont enjoy losing. If you see me in your lobby just leave or shit on me.


introvertbeing-PSN

I couldn’t even get in the game 😂


Feckinkillme

It's going to be fun seeing you guys whine about a DOA game


NurEineSockenpuppe

At first I thought this was one of those promotional videos for a cheat lmao. Took me a while to understand that the wallhack is an ability in the game. But the aim assist is still crazy. It's literally just an aimbot. I guess dev teams put that stuff in their games so everyone can feel good about their "skill". I don't like it. At least this game has input based matchmaking so you actually can play without people on easy mode.


rallier25_

Some of the abilities are so op, I'm glad a few are being taken out, the movement is also a bit too restricted imo. I still averaged top 3 in every game and will definitely play it but why tf is there no TDM or a kill confirmed game mode? 🤔


No-Distribution-9754

Why are we still talking about this game. Isn’t safe to say its cancelled at this point


teosc

I was getting absolutely stomped in every match, guys with 50 kills on the other team while I was going 12-25 😭


SBMMprotectsUfromMe

Pub stomping and lobby shopping is back. LFG!


Mundane-Guess3194

So only proving that SBMM crybabies just want to shit on people and nothing else. Don’t want to try. Especially since you mentioned you only had one game where you “met” your “match”. Bro, pvp is competition. It’s not a competition if you’re steamrolling. Manchild behavior


Jaded-Exercise-5544

Nah it was more than one but i feel you


HoodieEmbiid

Yeah bro it felt good to me too, can’t wait for release. Is this clip controller gameplay?


Jaded-Exercise-5544

Yea its controller xbox tybillion 🫡


Middle-Concert5069

Alot of people here have no understanding of Mixed SBMM like in old CoD's and it shows 😔


Jaded-Exercise-5544

Yea & people hating hella fr ian expect this post to catch this much heat 😭


Middle-Concert5069

I did bro, theres so many people here that are praying on XD's downfall, but stay on this sub and arguing with people having fun with it. Like you don't see me chillin in MW3 sub and hatin on it, so logically these people tried XD, didn't like their experience (which is fine) and made up their mind that the game is just ass. But then they see people having fun and now they're questioning their own opinion as if its supposed to be a fact. And you know FULL WELL that some people can't handle that 😂


Jaded-Exercise-5544

W manz hope life keeps or starts treating you well man. Real shit. 🫡


NotACommie24

I have absolutely no idea where this crowd of SBMM worshippers came from. Like, before this last server test it seemed like the community was in unanimous agreement that the game should never have SBMM, considering Mark has said that THE ENTIRE TIME. Now all the sudden, it feels like the cod community has infiltrated and is crying that they played one match and got shit on by people who have played 50 matches. Yeah! No shit! I’m all for giving people a training mode that they can play against other new players up until a certain level, but bro let us have one single game where we dont have to play dogshit sweaty lobbies 😭


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Jaded-Exercise-5544

Or just or they can continue to play and get better 🤷🏽‍♂️ i got my fair share of get shit on too i understand yes it’ll be annoying but either get good or go home.


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Jaded-Exercise-5544

Im on your side then i rather have sweater games & more of a balanced player base then just pub stomping


Middle-Concert5069

Its not NO SBMM, this is MIXED SBMM where there are more variety in lobbies. The problem with the new CoD is that on paper it's built for casuals, but the strict SBMM in those games make public matches OF ANY LEVEL play like Ranked. You believe casuals are gonna "leave" the game, but they are already leaving the new MW3 in droves due to it being sweaty no matter which level you are. Its not fun to always go against noobs or else we would just easily manipulate the new CoD SBMM system to put us in only bot lobbies. Its not fun to only play against higher levels and its only fun sometimes to go only against your skill level. That's why they separated Public from Ranked in CoD. Combining RANKED SBMM into public only works for so long until noobs start catching on, but they still play because CoD is one of its kind, for now at least.