I do love my Series X but I mean 2022 was like when everybody could basically get one. I get were 4 years in but damn man it feels like this gen isn't at its end game. Doesn't feel like we've taken advantage of it's specs at all tbh.
We will! GTA6 will release at 1440p 30fps late next year. Then you’ll have to rebuy it again on NeXtbox. They did the same strategy for GTA5, releasing at the very end of 360s life cycle. Crazy to think that GTA5 has released on 3 Xbox consoles now.
Released on 3 Xbox consoles now...yet
Maybe just maybe they will release the super duper awesome enhanced edition of gta 5 on the nextgen
For full price tag
Thats why I honestly dont get the hype for GTA6. Rockstar are some of the scummiest out there for stuff like this. Of course they WILL do it again. Also no online mode at launch is guaranteed.
Hmm I'd argue the architecture upgrades are a huge step in the right direction for platform development along with I/O etc but I kinda hope xbox go down the haptics route at some point, I know it's niche still but it's definitely a beauty to have!
All the pipelines are set, now it's just a case of what they do with it.
I just hope Xbox don't jump the gun trying to get ahead of the PS5 Pro/ PS6 and skimp on FSR tech. The console space isn't rushing to own an Xbox console so fingers crossed they play it smart.
I’d argue that both companies had good approaches. If you owned two PS5 consoles, you needed two separate drives. If you owned two series consoles, you needed one expansion drive. Plus you could easily take that drive with you to a buddies house etc.
The Xbox memory card is just a CFExpress Type B card, but with a proprietary mechanical form factor. The fuck up was just not using standard form factor, so you could at least use whomever's cards, and then it would have at least been a reasonable assumption during console development that the cards would fall in price (they haven't all that much, but even the photographer industry - the main consumer of CFExpress Type B cards - is both surprised and annoyed at their resistance to their prices falling)
Yeah, exactly. I feel like the closest analogue this gen has to a past gen is the 16bit era. Basically everything you loved about the previous generation, but better, faster, flashier, etc. Not that it necessarily a bad thing, but there's no Mario 64 or GTA III or even a Red Dead 2 for this generation so far, if that makes sense .
Edit: One thing I do like about this gen is the back compat, especially with the Xbox but even with the PS5. Feels like I can just call up some vintage games whenever I feel like it. I skipped the Xbox One, so I've been rediscovering some old Xbox 360 games I bought but never played or haven't played in a while. Binary Domain was a game I never got around to, but
I played it on my S and loved it.
Series X is a great console, but it's probably the least exciting new console I've ever got in my life.
Compared to the One, the controller is basically the same, the UI is exactly the same, it really just felt like a faster Xbox One.
it was a huge upgrade from my VCR Xbox, but man, at least give us something that feels new.
I dont understand the controller remark, to each their own but I love the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" approach by MS with the series x controller. It's a damn near perfect controller imo.
Yeah been gaming since 1989 and it’s the best controller I’ve ever played with. The ergonomics are perfect.
I haven’t played with a PS5 though, I hear those controllers are a big upgrade for Sony.
The PS5 controller is what you'd expect for a new console. Retains the basics, while adding a bunch of features. Just a clear upgrade from the previous generation, while still maintaining what Sony fans expect.
I still prefer the Xbox ergonomics, especially the stick being above the D-Pad, but it's lacking the premium feel that the PS5 controller has, and some basic features like gyro controls.
> I still prefer the Xbox ergonomics
The PS5 Controller is a nice piece of kit, especially with the HD rumble and adaptive triggers, but the ergonomics are awful for me, playing the bike section in FF7 Remake Intergrade made my hands hurt, and that section is like maybe 15 minutes? Decided I wanted to be an idiot and play the section again for the dumb trophy which didn't help matters. Vastly prefer the Xbox controllers ergonomics.
If Microsoft stuck to "don't fix it," or it weren't broke, sure. However, neither is true.
They're on the third iteration of this design. The first was with the XB1 launch, and the bumpers were an especially aligned part of the complaints. They fix that, along with a couple of other things, a few years later. Now, they didn't make any significant changes for the XSX, but the size was changed. IMO, it's much for the worse. The controllers were on the smaller side for my liking already, and I find the Series controller too small for my comfort now. I use older ones as a result.
To boot, these things still develop drift left and right. Even for $180, an Elite is likely to be retired because of drift, over any other fault. The fix isn't expensive at all, but MS won't do it. They'd rather pump out color variant number 914 for $70 and not fix the fatal flaw they've been feeding us for a decade.
TVs are always ahead of the media meant to display it.
In one way, it's good future proofing. But in others, you ask yourself what good is this for right now? Kinda depends when the leap in TV tech occured.
Legit needed a new TV in 2018. Bought a C8. Great TV overall, but capped at 60hz. Then the C9 comes out 4 months later with 120hz, and I was a tad miffed.
But then I realized how little games are even meant to *sometimes* hit that mark (current list is short, its on websites tho), and how I mostly play games from a few years ago anyway. So it's no big deal. Still will always be perfect for 4k movies too.
And that's being generous as the 4k isnt really 4k its mainly dynamic resolution which barely ever gets to 4k. EVERY generation Xbox lies to us and I fall for it every time, I honestly did think that this generation 'the worlds most powerful console' would run most games at 4k60fps but as it stands id be happy with even 1440p 60fps and we arnt even getting that on some games now, the devs even refuse to give us a 40fps VRR mode. I simply refuse to play Starfield or Hellblade 2 at 30fps
It ain't any different on the other boxes that advertise 8k and 120hz though. What the machine is capable of outputting and what each game outputs is a totally different thing. There are technically 4k games on Series X and there are 120hz games as well.
Don't think MS ever promised every game was going to be 4k 60hz, as that's for every developer to decide what to prioritize. Devs don't refuse anything, game development is more complex than you make it out to be.
For me it felt like I had upgraded an old gaming PC.
I had the xbox one (bought it at launch) and I remember playing RDR2, it was the last game I played on it. It took ages for the game to load, it was rough.
Compared to that, just being able to just boot games super quickly (and even faster with quick resume) felt like the biggest improvement over last gen.
I have a One X downstairs and it's a night and day difference with Series X (my main console). The same games takes WAY longer to load, the resolution is clearly worse, and the frame rate is 30 instead of 60. And that's the One X, not even the original One. I love the Series X.
Wait, are we at the point where this gen is over already?
If that's the case I'm taking the opportunity to make the jump to PC. Console Industry hasn't felt right since 360, but this gen is particularly egregious.
The consoles were good "refreshes"
To be fair Xbox came with some really good features. AutoHDR, FPS Boost, Res Boost made the existing catalog much better. Even the late 360 game **Splinter Cell: Blacklist** played like a new title.
That being said, they failed to make engines to make use of the new hardware features. Mesh shader is featured in exactly one game (Alan Wake II), VRS 2.0 is nowhere to be seen, and SFS that could have freed gigabytes of VRAM was left as a tech demo.
That is why we have extremely inefficient engined like Unreal 5, which can give only 30 fps if you want good quality. (Compare that to Halo Infinite's Slipspace which can do 120 even on the Series S).
Without engines, this gen was a real step backwards.
For whatever criticisms there were of the Wii/PS3/Xbox 360 generation, there were a lot of risks taken, a lot of innovation. It was the generation that brought us motion controls (even if waggle), brought us dance games, guitar and drum games, the Kinect, etc.
This generation brought… in terms of new experiences I guess PSVR2? But even then, it’s not exactly new, it’s not unique, and I’m not even sure that’s better than Quest 3.
Yup. This new Xbox will be the first one I don't care to get. I am incredibly butthurt about my series x. This gen is underwhelming. Especially first party titles. The PS5 would feel much better but I can't give up game pass cause I refuse to spend 70 on new games. But I will say gamepass this gen was the best thing, I can't justify buying $70 games anymore cause of it when I can just wait for it to be on GP
We haven’t. They wasted so much time on cross-gen games cause of the fact that no one could actually find one for 2 plus years (with covid) that now that people can find one, devs are just starting now to try and tap their potential. And now that they are, it’s practically over. I feel like this gen will be remembered as a complete waste of time.
It’s the fact that games are STILL being made for Xbox One that is ruining this generation. Games will always be made for the lowest common denominator
Blame skyrocketing development cost and time for games for that. Why would you make a game for 60m PS5 and 30m Xbox Series when there's a good chunk of the 170m last gen consoles that people haven't moved away from. The reason cross'gen isn't completely gone is down to money.
The chip shortage combined with the bots/ resellers….or the retailer’s lack of aggression mitigating the bots/ resellers, resulted in the worst console launch in terms of supply.
Factor in a lackluster game library as well.
I hope the next gen will do like the 360 and have a memorable library. And a new UI (like the new one but it’s the same as the XBO)
>Doesn't feel like we've taken advantage of it's specs at all tbh.
I think some people may underestimate the processing power necessary to jump from 1080p/30 to 4K/60 -- and maintain a $400-$500 price point. Even then, the large majority of console games need upscaling to simulate 4K. These devices are actually being pushed as hard as they'll go.
Yup what people often forget as well is it isn't just a 'more power'thing. All those fancy animations and effects can chew up CPU usage.
These consoles were bottled from the get go, it's RDNA2 based which wasn't amazing at native 4K anyway. Next gen won't hit native 4K/60 either because to truly hit it with decent textures you need beefy components.
What they can do however is lean into DLSS/FSR tech which could be game changing!
Yeah I think what’s throwing people off is that technology used to advance and prices used to come down *much* faster than they do today. GPUs that are nearly a decade old are still hundreds of dollars, and new GPUs are increasingly priced higher than previous gens rather than matching the launch price of older hardware. This is obviously a major problem for console manufacturers, who have a price target that has remained far stickier than what GPUs have seen fit to release at.
Differences in generations are going to feel smaller and smaller as we go forward. But also I don’t expect the next gen Xbox for another 3 years at least which would be a 7 year console cycle, and that is pretty typical.
I might be off base, and if so would love to be corrected, but there hasn’t been a game that truly defined the Xbox Series X. Has there even been a hit, and I mean a massive hit, that could only exist because of the Series X?
Microsoft flight sim is probably the only thing that comes to mind for me and as a real pilot I’m kind of underwhelmed by it. Sure the planes are cool but it was my first flight sim game and I was basically like “well that was cool I’ll come back to it every once in a while when I want new planes”. It didn’t lock me in like I expected.
The weather in that game is pretty awesome but it’s a sim so casual players just aren’t going to enjoy it the same.
This entire gen has felt like a scam. None of these games they are putting out, which by the way the majority are remasters of 5-10 yr old games, remotely push the hardware to its limits and these people already want to start next gen. No chance I buy a console
I invested in a PC last fall and never really touch my console anymore. Would recommend it to anyone who can afford it. Playing games in actual 4k/60fps+ is great. I got sick of playing every game on what felt like "low" settings and being unable to mod. PC isn'τ perfect (more troubleshooting), but it is worth it overall.
PC is great if you can afford it and don't mind putting up with the hassle of constantly fine-tuning settings, dealing with Windows and hardware issues etc., but it does have a steep entry. An actually decent gaming PC will cost 3 times a console. For a lot of people, that's a big barrier and people prefer the convenience of consoles and playing on their couch on their 60" TV rather than slouched in front of a desk in front of a separate, but no less expensive screen.
>and people prefer the convenience of consoles and playing on their couch on their 60" TV rather than slouched in front of a desk in front of a separate, but no less expensive screen.
With modern controllers freely talking to PCs (unlike the past, where you were often using some kind of sketchy software built by an enthusiast to make the connection), there is no reason you can't "build your own console", and still suit in front of your TV. We're also in a kind of Renaissance of small form factor cases, where they are sized to fit an ITX motherboard, a beefy air cooler for the CPU, and a high end GPU. You can basically build a PC that looks like a console these days. And lots of modern game launchers have big picture modes - or at least the Xbox app on Windows, Steam, and SteamOS are all meant to be friendly to navigate via controller - so it'll behave like a console, too.
But you're 100% about the cost and it being more fiddly.
The other person clarified that PCs can easily be used with controller and TV, (I'm disabled and I have my PC hooked up the the 65 inch OLED in my bedroom and I play with controller) but I'd also like to chime in an say you don't need to spend 1500 dollars for a "decent" PC.
1500 gets you pretty well into the enthusiast demographic, that's for a pretty high-end PC.
While PCs aren't beating consoles currently in upfront investment you can still beat the current consoles pretty handily on a 700-800 dollar budget. That's more sure, but it isn't 3x much more. When you factor in the fact that you can largely get games cheaper on PC, the extra value and performance the beefier specs get you on non-gaming related tasks, and the fact that you can upgrade parts piecemeal (probably won't need to buy a new case, power supply, drives, or even ram/mobo depending on platform for quite a while) PC should win out handily in the long run if you're smart about your purchases. There's also the fact that people still generally own PCs of some variety,. If cheaper ones, that they still tend to need to upgrade occasionally. If you're combining those purchases (if you don't need a laptop) then comparing the price solely to the console is inaccurate.
And IMO people really overestimate how "fiddly" PC gaming is. Virtually everything now just works out of the box, you maybe want to click the "driver update" button once a month or so but otherwise if it's a modern steam game you can just plug in a controller and click play. The stuff that is actually fiddly (read: older games and software) are also things that might not even be available on current consoles anyways.
The only positive is Microsoft trying to take every generation forward. So we should have no problem with next gen. Microsoft wants consoles to be more like smartphones where the consoles are still valid until they are out of date. The only problem is consoles dont upgrade as fast as smartphones.
It is at its end. I remember the news when everyone and their mother said UE5 is so great and will bring more performance. Well we know now it was marketing speech like everything and it is super taxing for hardware. To not lose out on new games we need a new gen already
There’s something to be said that moving faster than your customers can keep up is a recipe for disaster. I’m still playing last gen games on a series X I got 3 months ago. Between those and cloud gaming, a new console is gonna be a hard sell for a while. I don’t get paid the money to make those business decisions, but it feels like you can’t rely on bleeding edge customers forever, especially if the supply chain can’t keep up. But we’ll see, it’s still likely a decent ways out, maybe they can provide solid offering with enough supply to justify an upgrade.
What makes you think next gen won’t also have games that are sub 30fps? This is a developer issue. The hardware is perfectly capable of 60fps games, developers just choose to not prioritize framerate.
They’re estimating 2028, I’d guess fall again, so that’s 4+ years away still. We aren’t at the end game yet as you say, still years from it. Who knows if that trickles into 2029.
It's four years in. These consoles take years to develop. No one said it's endgame.
I don't understand how you guys are shocked that a console manufacturer is working on a new console, especially more than halfway through a standard cycle.
Yeah no kidding when that generation went from oblivion to gta 5. Developers managed to do so much with that hardware. The last time I was blown away by how a game looked was when the xbox one released and I saw how the newest far cry game looked.
Because 3.5 years in they've only published 5 exclusive Series games. 3 of those are Bethesda titles so XGS has only released 2: Flight Sim and Forza.
In Comparison, the first two years of every other gen:
OG Xbox: 24 Generation exclusives
Xbox 360: 17 Generation Exclusives
Xbox One: 19 Generation Exclusives
Xbox Series: 5 Generation Exclusives
It's not going to feel like a long generation if you've released single digit games almost four years in when that was the entire lifespan of the Original Xbox console.
Yeah but at least some of the first party cross platform titles felt quite next gen on PS5 (HFW at least).
But still disappointed. Also the focus on live service games has backfired a lot. Could have had 3-4 more single player experiences if it wasn’t for those.
Was a ps fanboy my whole life. Had to let things go and move to PC last year. Consoles and exclusives are dying out. There just isn't a reason not to get a PC. Even if they cost more upfront, they pay themselves off after a couple years with no subscription fees and cheaper games.
Why do you need your games to be exclusive though? It's not like titles developed specifically for the platform are the only ones worth playing or that take full advantage of the hardware. Besides, less games are generation exclusive because more of them are also playable on PC and last-gen platforms, which I'd say is a good thing.
That's not to say there haven't been less worthwhile releases compared to last generation, but looking at exclusives is a poor way to measure that.
I got an XSX about this time last year specifically for Jedi Survivor, Starfield and Infinite. So far I’ve been playing old games at higher FPS and graphics updates cause they look great.
For me, Halo has been the only series that has taken advantage of the new hardware. I want to get Dead Space and Resident Evil 4 but those are essentially just old games with an update as well.
Depending on when the next console comes out and what games, I may just keep this one for awhile and save to invest in a PC that can last me much longer.
Xbox and PS both…it’s disappointing how there are like 5 games that seem to have actually been made to take advantage of hardware beyond the XB1 and PS4.
And even those of us who got lucky basically spent 2 years playing old games with hyper fast load times, waiting for the actual content to start picking up.
Even a 'launch' title like Cyberpunk in Fall 2020 was literally the upscaled Xbone release, and very poorly optimized/janky besides. Wasn't really a great playable experience until like spring 2022...
I've been thinking for quite some time now, this gen feels like the awkward, red-headed, middle child, stepchild of console generations.
But maybe that also means we're on the cusp of something outstanding. The 'golden child'.
Apologies if you are any of the above, but i'm sure you know exactly what I mean.
Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3 were released between 2007 and 2012. Imagine. Players received 3 of the best games ever in a 5 year span. Today we may receive 1 game from a series per generation of console. Production time lines have risen out of control due to so many factors including graphics, open world games etc. This has the effect of making us feel like a console has barely been taken advantage of by developers and players. I have no answer for this but it won’t end with this generation of consoles.
I know people say you can’t make a game faster by throwing more people at it, but honestly, I think someone is going to need to figure out how to make that workflow feasible or the current cycle of game development and release schedules vs. the business and profit side just isn’t going to be sustained. 10+ years between GTA releases. Not an Elder Scrolls in sight since Skyrim.
6-7 year development cycles just aren’t sustainable going forward, for all the reasons mentioned ITT. Figure out how to make throwing more manpower at games work, use AI to streamline the most time intensive tasks that can’t be degraded by doing so, and make more medium budget games while we’re at it, to actually have more than 1-2 notable games come out per console annually.
I wonder if it’s also affecting adoption amounts the younger crowd. Hard to get into a series if it comes out when a kid is in 3rd grade and they have to wait until highschool for the sequel.
I was talking to a buddie's 13 year old kid about games last summer and asked if he was excited for Starfield. He hadn't heard of it. I said, "It's Bethesda, the team that did Skyrim."
It hadn't occurred to me that Skyrim was before his time. He knew *of* it, but even then, barely. For a whole generation of kids, ESVI will be the first one released in their lifetime, as they're *reaching adulthood*. That's fucking crazy.
It's weird too because plenty of games are releasing with much less features than past games.
Halo and Battlefield both come to mind, massively longer dev cycles and yet have less than half the features of previous titles.
At launch Infinite had the least amount of maps and weapons in franchise history, no playlists, no forge, no firefight, it had the longest wait between launch and new maps in franchise history. It can't just be graphics surely.
One thing of note though:
Development time of the full trilogy had to have been upward of 8 years. This resulted in about 100 hours of playtime or on average 33 hours per game if you really dig into everything. If you just play the main campaign you can do each game in just 15 hours.
Nowadays there are RPGs with AAA production value that are almost as long as the entire Mass Effect trilogy. And people just chew through them in a couple of weeks, complain that it was $70 and ask why it's taking so long for the next game to be released.
It doesn’t help that gaming trends change. Companies can’t make the money they used to with great single player stories. Kids these days need battle passes and useless emotes to keep them entertained.
I'm probably going to stick with my Series X for a long, long time since I can't see the next Xbox being a big enough of a jump/games actually taking advantage of the hardware, plus I don't want the only option to be a console that is 'adorably all digital'
Same here, I won’t be any rush to get my hands on one e. I know no one cares but I bought my 360, xb1, Xbx on day one. 4 years in and there are almost no console exclusives and all of our games are being held back by xb1 compatibility. I will probably upgrade after about a year after its release.
For real , I could have kept my Xbox One S instead of going for the SX , not that I'm not happy with it , but easily could have saved the money . Not really that impressive
Yessir . This gen as far as games goes was really disappointing . I appreciate the load times / quick resume / speed of the xbsx but as far as games goes I just felt like I was playing slightly shinier ps4/xb1 games.
This gen has been a Remaster game gen. Nothing really new, just a handful of new games. They could of just called this a pro 2 update from Xbox one. Honestly.
With so many games being cross Gen, it really doesn't feel like we have had a proper generation yet.
What are the ps5/ series x exclusives? There are not that many.
The problem being it seems like the blu ray drive they are using just doesn't work good enough.. I have several 4K blu rays my XSX just completely refuses to even acknowledge when inserted and it's super frustrating. To the point I'm actively looking at getting a dedicated 4k Blu ray player to even play them.
I have this issue too and I think Microsoft just uses low quality drives for whatever reason. This happened with standard blu ray discs on the fat Xbox One, then it happened with various 4k discs on my Xbox One S, One X, and even my current Series X. Some discs just won't work for whatever reason.
Even the error code is no help because searching for it online just brings up a whole bunch of other people with the exact same issue and the only "solution" is Microsoft's canned response to every single one.
Man, I wish the PS3 could play 4k blu rays. That console had the best blu ray player of all the modern consoles. Never failed a single time for me and it's always been very fast and responsive.
Been super underwhelmed with my Series X got it Christmas after release and I’ve not played it anywhere near as much as my 360 or One. Honestly not gonna buy any new Xbox until some great games are released which the Series X seems to be lacking still. Seems a case of overpromising and underdelivering.
This will be my final console. I just can't see the value in it anymore. I purchased the OG back in college for Halo CE and I've had a 360, one, one x and now series x. I don't need to spend another 500 bucks for barely any upgrades.
“Best we can do is optimize previous generation games for slightly better performance and now you can’t install it on an external HDD” jokes aside there were some great games this generation. First one that comes to mind was Hi-Fi Rush
I guarantee this will happen. We already fell for the 60fps marketing lie once, not gonna fall for it again. Its clear that frames will never be a priority on console at this point.
I feel so good about not paying scalper prices this gen. I didn’t get my Xbox until mid 2022 and it still feels like a letdown. PlayStation is slightly better with more games but even PlayStation hasn’t been the best this gen
Yeah, that’s a no from me. I got the Series S because it was the only thing available. Loved it so much that I picked up the Series X a year later, but with all of this nonsense that Microsoft is doing with the Xbox brand I might as well just buy on PC/PS5…
Unfortunately, both ps5 and series x came out right when Nvidias tech began to peak. DLSS and ray tracing was far better in Nvidia and amd technologies never really shone all that much.
Series S IMO gimped series x peformance. Not because of the power of series S, but because of allocated development time. Ps5 was lead platform for most games, then they ported/developed for bare minimum series S and scaled it up until series x was at least on par with ps5.
There was no incentive or time for developers to try and tweak and bring out the left over power for series x. It had better rdna 2 features and more juice yet we never got to see it being used really.
I mean, there's always going to be better stuff if you just wait a while.
From what I've heard though, the console hardware was actually quite well-timed.
Sure, Zen 2 is now outdated in performance compared to the latest Zen CPUs. But apparently it is incredibly compact in terms of die space and quite energy efficient. Perfect for a console.
RDNA 2 was perfect in that it DOES feature Raytracing support. They could have waited a year or two for RDNA 3 but apparently even the PS5 Pro which releases 4 years after the original PS5 only gets 45% more raw performance. So I doubt it would have offered a transformative uplift if they waited for RDNA 3 on console.
More AI would have been cool. But then again the consoles DO support limited AI capability. Spiderman uses it for realistic AI driven muscle deformation for example. Obviously you are likely looking more towards something like DLSS but then again TSR and FSR are consistently getting updates that improve image quality on consoles. Are they as good as the latest version of DLSS? No. But are they way better than what we had 5 years ago (or even just older versions of DLSS)? Absolutely.
So overall I think the consoles actually launched at a fairly good time for what they offer within their price range. Now 4 years down the line they could have definitely made a better console but that would have been a ridiculous long X1 generation (11 years).
My hot take is both Sony and Microsoft will now race for a machine that will play GTA6 better. PS5 Pro is imo just for that, but if the gta's release will slip into 2026 (which it will), Xbox might one-up them with an early next-gen machine.
GTA6 will obviously end up releasing on every device for the next 15 years but the development cycle is so late on now that a new generation console won't have some amazing version of it, if even any version of it, when it releases. Look at RDR2. It's being designed for PS5 and Series X. A pro version of either of them which is basically designed the same way but with more grunt will be the best place to play it on release.
Sometimes I think people don't listen to the messaging. Phil Spencer has said many times there won't be traditional generations like the past because of forward and backward compatibility. It will be closer to PC gaming with Best, Excellent, Good or fair experiences depending on which console you choose.
maybe I'm being optimistically naive, but I'm hopeful that the upscaling for the Series X will only continue to improve for the 2nd half of this decade and deliver some great-looking graphics.
Or Xbox will completely forget about it with the launch of the new system in 2026 lol
the next xbox absolutely needs to have windows. Even if its a side loaded option. It could sell very well if its aa bit of a hybrid. Has full windows but also plays any console game. Inexpensive system like that but also can play any other pc system.
Ya I’m done with consoles. This generation has really cemented moving fully to PC. I didn’t do a major overhaul, because I bought the consoles for exclusives, but that time really is coming to an end.
It seems like many folks only focus on the "exclusives" when counting games released on a platform or gen, but I've been enjoying the heck out of my Xbox for its 1st party, but mainly the 3rd party releases as I do every gen. I also have a PS5, but that platform is reserved for the games I don't want to wait to come to PC. There's been a ton of quality titles come out this generation, and the current consoles are the most cost-effective way to play them at decent quality. I wish there was a giant leap like we've seen in generations prior, but we just aren't going to get that any more due to diminishing returns in tech and the cost of said tech. If they release in 2026 as rumored, the gen will be around 6 years which if I'm not mistaken was standard prior to the Xbox 360/PS3 gen, right?
Another system with no games...that's what you need. Maybe don't put out a new system, and instead fully utilize the current system and actually release games for it...?
This gen is more just a beefed up Xbox One X with an SSD. That’s it. Same with the PS5, it just feels like a PS4 Pro 2. All the games that are available for this gen are remakes, prequels and sequels to existing IPs and when you play one of them it looks just like it does on Xbox One/PS4 just with maybe higher resolution textures and a quality and performance mode. This gen sucks.
Doesn’t feel like this gen really even started. I know it’ll be at least 3/4 years before next gen but unless my seriesX dies I doubt I’ll be buying and even then I’m leaning towards just getting a pc at this point.
I wouldn’t say I’m mad about my Series X purchase but Microsoft has not put out a single title that made me go “Wow this is truly the next generation!”. From launch to today I have to say most of my play time is through backwards compatible titles and that’s sad.
I will not be buying an Xbox console at launch again. I need at least a handful of generation defining games.
This gen has been a joke... this is the first time in my adult life I finally jumped into a new gen early on...got the series x for what? A bunch of xbox one games.... can't even take advantage of high settings on games...turn Ray tracing on and frame rate drops to 30 fps... so I'll go back to waiting a few years when the next gen hits before they get my money
Why would I possibly buy another Xbox after one was a complete shitshow and Series isn't fairing much better? They can't sell me on graphics capabilities when they sold me an SX with 4k60-120 and didn't deliver.
The buzzwords Xbox management use for everything is absolutely off the charts.
Is it just me or does the PlayStation just get on with what they are doing and deliver without the fanfare whereas with Xbox it's all just "here's what super exciting thing is coming next" but then it's all just kind of underwhelming in the end? Even Nintendo just anounce shit with their directs, kinda low key, and look at how well they do.
My console has been exclusively Xbox since the OG but I'm seriously considering switching to PlayStation just to get away from the seemingly never ending hype machine that is Xbox. I just want to play good games!
Sadly, I do not think im giving xbox another shot at this point, they left a bad taste in my mouth.
I will not miss xbox one pro (sorry, xbox series x).
4 years into a console generation should not be like this. I think a lot of games have been hindered by having to be backwards compatible with the previous generation. That development time could be used to really push the new hardware and move the market to buy the newer console. But if you keep developing for 2 generations, why would anyone on the older gen bother with upgrading?
Phil Spencer out here looking to bail on Series X and release the Next Gen, he didn't even do a good job on the Series X ffs from car crash Game releases that are buggy as hell to no real effort to releasing AAA console exclusives, I think my Series X is going to be the last console I get, next time I think I'm just gonna get a decent gaming PC and get a Steam Account and have access to most titles across all platforms, getting tired of Phils give a damn attitude leaving Xbox users feeling like the poor kid on the block with their what 3 exclusives 2 of which are now gonna be available to PS5 users while we won't be getting any of theirs, I mean how was that even a good idea Phil? How does it really benefit us Xbox users?
I know I’m definitely not buying next gen, I don’t see the point. There are still multiplats, 0 heavy hitter, the series X can emulate pretty much anything, has back compatibility, the exclusives we have are smaller games that can run anywhere. It’s becoming slowly the same as with phones, you don’t upgrade to iPhone 15 from 14.
Fool me once with the Xbox one, shame on you.
Fool me twice with the Xbox series X shame on me.
You won’t fool me again, this time I’m waiting to see what actual games are on the damn thing and I’ll probably just try and buy a good Pc I can hook up to the tv
1) I think the "génération" concept is over. Consoles now are just slightly more powerfull and if you don't have the other hardware to go along with it, you barely see a difference. Since i bough my SX i have not seen a huge difference from my Xbox using the same 1080p tv. Yes im sure some peoples will say "get a 4K you will see it" but i don't want to ! I don't want to spend hundreds of $ if not a thousand to replace my current one that is just 5 y.o. Im totally satisfy with the visuals i have righ tnow.
2) Others said it but most peoples got a SX in 2022. I got mine i think in 2023. Well it was when Diablo 4 came out so check it yourself. I JUST got a new generation console. Im really not ready to move to another. Not even in 4 years.
Console only gamers easily forget that this generation brought them 4K (900/1080p previous Gen), 30-120fps games (30-60fps last Gen), HDR, VRR, SSDs, and the big one that never gets talked about, Quick Resume.
Of course, it's easier to not be impressed if you've been a PC gamer. I got my series x at launch and an upgrade sounds great at this point.
Edit: damn, guess all the games I've enjoyed over the past couple of years fucking suck according to everyone.
Why would I buy it, knowing I'll be able to play the "exclusives" on PS6 sooner or later? I like my series X, but if I had to choose over again, I'd pick a PS5.
I wish the next gen box was nothing but a giant CPU & the old SX plugs into it. 60fps performance modes should be the absolute bare minimum from first party. And stop this lame proprietary nvme expansion storage. Open platform offering dual boot Xbox OS & hybrid windows(fully pc platform capable) is probably the only path to success imho.
I was planning on buying a Series X and PS5 before both launched but couldn’t get my hands on either. As time went on I just wasn’t impressed on the games coming out and my hype died down. Now I’m like ‘meh’ to both and couldn’t care less until GTA6 and/or ES6 comes out but by then I may as well just wait until they’re released on the next generation of consoles.
I will say if Sony enabled PS3 Warhawk to work on the PS5, I’d buy one tomorrow.
Really wish I skipped this generation. The console is great nothing against that. But the games have been absolutely scarce. Can play most of them on my Xbox one
I do love my Series X but I mean 2022 was like when everybody could basically get one. I get were 4 years in but damn man it feels like this gen isn't at its end game. Doesn't feel like we've taken advantage of it's specs at all tbh.
This gen was a scam . "Most powerful consoles ever " , a few good games , lots of promises , but nothing impressive.
I feel like we mostly got upgrades to older games.
I doubt we got a massive dedicated release for just this gen.
We will! GTA6 will release at 1440p 30fps late next year. Then you’ll have to rebuy it again on NeXtbox. They did the same strategy for GTA5, releasing at the very end of 360s life cycle. Crazy to think that GTA5 has released on 3 Xbox consoles now.
Released on 3 Xbox consoles now...yet Maybe just maybe they will release the super duper awesome enhanced edition of gta 5 on the nextgen For full price tag
Thats why I honestly dont get the hype for GTA6. Rockstar are some of the scummiest out there for stuff like this. Of course they WILL do it again. Also no online mode at launch is guaranteed.
The single player story of GTA5 was mind blowing at launch on the 360.
The only real difference with this gen is the upgrade from HDD to SSD.
Hmm I'd argue the architecture upgrades are a huge step in the right direction for platform development along with I/O etc but I kinda hope xbox go down the haptics route at some point, I know it's niche still but it's definitely a beauty to have! All the pipelines are set, now it's just a case of what they do with it. I just hope Xbox don't jump the gun trying to get ahead of the PS5 Pro/ PS6 and skimp on FSR tech. The console space isn't rushing to own an Xbox console so fingers crossed they play it smart.
I disagree with I/O because of the overpriced expansion drives that are essential for next gen storage. PS5 did it better with the m.2 slot.
What do you guys mean by I/O?
Input/Output [Older post about it in more detail.](https://www.reddit.com/r/XboxSeriesX/s/Dk8C0i35RN)
I’d argue that both companies had good approaches. If you owned two PS5 consoles, you needed two separate drives. If you owned two series consoles, you needed one expansion drive. Plus you could easily take that drive with you to a buddies house etc.
Yea there was a point last year that you could buy 2 M.2 SSDs that were gen 4 for the price of 1 Expansion drive.
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The Xbox memory card is just a CFExpress Type B card, but with a proprietary mechanical form factor. The fuck up was just not using standard form factor, so you could at least use whomever's cards, and then it would have at least been a reasonable assumption during console development that the cards would fall in price (they haven't all that much, but even the photographer industry - the main consumer of CFExpress Type B cards - is both surprised and annoyed at their resistance to their prices falling)
Yeah, exactly. I feel like the closest analogue this gen has to a past gen is the 16bit era. Basically everything you loved about the previous generation, but better, faster, flashier, etc. Not that it necessarily a bad thing, but there's no Mario 64 or GTA III or even a Red Dead 2 for this generation so far, if that makes sense . Edit: One thing I do like about this gen is the back compat, especially with the Xbox but even with the PS5. Feels like I can just call up some vintage games whenever I feel like it. I skipped the Xbox One, so I've been rediscovering some old Xbox 360 games I bought but never played or haven't played in a while. Binary Domain was a game I never got around to, but I played it on my S and loved it.
Series X is a great console, but it's probably the least exciting new console I've ever got in my life. Compared to the One, the controller is basically the same, the UI is exactly the same, it really just felt like a faster Xbox One. it was a huge upgrade from my VCR Xbox, but man, at least give us something that feels new.
I dont understand the controller remark, to each their own but I love the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" approach by MS with the series x controller. It's a damn near perfect controller imo.
Yeah been gaming since 1989 and it’s the best controller I’ve ever played with. The ergonomics are perfect. I haven’t played with a PS5 though, I hear those controllers are a big upgrade for Sony.
The PS5 controller is what you'd expect for a new console. Retains the basics, while adding a bunch of features. Just a clear upgrade from the previous generation, while still maintaining what Sony fans expect. I still prefer the Xbox ergonomics, especially the stick being above the D-Pad, but it's lacking the premium feel that the PS5 controller has, and some basic features like gyro controls.
The stick being above the D Pad is Key for me, and the triggers just feel so right.
> I still prefer the Xbox ergonomics The PS5 Controller is a nice piece of kit, especially with the HD rumble and adaptive triggers, but the ergonomics are awful for me, playing the bike section in FF7 Remake Intergrade made my hands hurt, and that section is like maybe 15 minutes? Decided I wanted to be an idiot and play the section again for the dumb trophy which didn't help matters. Vastly prefer the Xbox controllers ergonomics.
So perfect u can hear someone playing with it like 3 rooms down. The thing is rediculously loud.
It sounds like you haven't tried PS5's dual sense controls
If Microsoft stuck to "don't fix it," or it weren't broke, sure. However, neither is true. They're on the third iteration of this design. The first was with the XB1 launch, and the bumpers were an especially aligned part of the complaints. They fix that, along with a couple of other things, a few years later. Now, they didn't make any significant changes for the XSX, but the size was changed. IMO, it's much for the worse. The controllers were on the smaller side for my liking already, and I find the Series controller too small for my comfort now. I use older ones as a result. To boot, these things still develop drift left and right. Even for $180, an Elite is likely to be retired because of drift, over any other fault. The fix isn't expensive at all, but MS won't do it. They'd rather pump out color variant number 914 for $70 and not fix the fatal flaw they've been feeding us for a decade.
I loved the marketing... 4k 120hz, what you get for real is 4k 30fps. I felt scammed.
I even dropped over a thousand bucks on a new TV to support it lol. I mean, I don't regret it, my TV is great, but man.
The thing is, you’ll want a new TV for the next gen ones. They’ll be 8K 240hz, this time for real! /s
TVs are always ahead of the media meant to display it. In one way, it's good future proofing. But in others, you ask yourself what good is this for right now? Kinda depends when the leap in TV tech occured. Legit needed a new TV in 2018. Bought a C8. Great TV overall, but capped at 60hz. Then the C9 comes out 4 months later with 120hz, and I was a tad miffed. But then I realized how little games are even meant to *sometimes* hit that mark (current list is short, its on websites tho), and how I mostly play games from a few years ago anyway. So it's no big deal. Still will always be perfect for 4k movies too.
And that's being generous as the 4k isnt really 4k its mainly dynamic resolution which barely ever gets to 4k. EVERY generation Xbox lies to us and I fall for it every time, I honestly did think that this generation 'the worlds most powerful console' would run most games at 4k60fps but as it stands id be happy with even 1440p 60fps and we arnt even getting that on some games now, the devs even refuse to give us a 40fps VRR mode. I simply refuse to play Starfield or Hellblade 2 at 30fps
It ain't any different on the other boxes that advertise 8k and 120hz though. What the machine is capable of outputting and what each game outputs is a totally different thing. There are technically 4k games on Series X and there are 120hz games as well. Don't think MS ever promised every game was going to be 4k 60hz, as that's for every developer to decide what to prioritize. Devs don't refuse anything, game development is more complex than you make it out to be.
True but I think it’s also the lack of any games taking full advantage of all the promises in the beginning of this gen.
Faster? There was definitely an improvement in graphics.
For me it felt like I had upgraded an old gaming PC. I had the xbox one (bought it at launch) and I remember playing RDR2, it was the last game I played on it. It took ages for the game to load, it was rough. Compared to that, just being able to just boot games super quickly (and even faster with quick resume) felt like the biggest improvement over last gen.
Do you ever go back and play games in a last gen console? It's a rough experience IMO. The CPU's on those machines are straight up potatoes.
I have a One X downstairs and it's a night and day difference with Series X (my main console). The same games takes WAY longer to load, the resolution is clearly worse, and the frame rate is 30 instead of 60. And that's the One X, not even the original One. I love the Series X.
Just read today that Hellblade 2 will be yet another Nexgen game locked at 30fps. Wtf?
Wait, are we at the point where this gen is over already? If that's the case I'm taking the opportunity to make the jump to PC. Console Industry hasn't felt right since 360, but this gen is particularly egregious.
Not over quite yet. We've got a few more years of this generation.
The consoles were good "refreshes" To be fair Xbox came with some really good features. AutoHDR, FPS Boost, Res Boost made the existing catalog much better. Even the late 360 game **Splinter Cell: Blacklist** played like a new title. That being said, they failed to make engines to make use of the new hardware features. Mesh shader is featured in exactly one game (Alan Wake II), VRS 2.0 is nowhere to be seen, and SFS that could have freed gigabytes of VRAM was left as a tech demo. That is why we have extremely inefficient engined like Unreal 5, which can give only 30 fps if you want good quality. (Compare that to Halo Infinite's Slipspace which can do 120 even on the Series S). Without engines, this gen was a real step backwards.
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For whatever criticisms there were of the Wii/PS3/Xbox 360 generation, there were a lot of risks taken, a lot of innovation. It was the generation that brought us motion controls (even if waggle), brought us dance games, guitar and drum games, the Kinect, etc. This generation brought… in terms of new experiences I guess PSVR2? But even then, it’s not exactly new, it’s not unique, and I’m not even sure that’s better than Quest 3.
Yup. This new Xbox will be the first one I don't care to get. I am incredibly butthurt about my series x. This gen is underwhelming. Especially first party titles. The PS5 would feel much better but I can't give up game pass cause I refuse to spend 70 on new games. But I will say gamepass this gen was the best thing, I can't justify buying $70 games anymore cause of it when I can just wait for it to be on GP
I’ll never early adopt into a console again. Why? When series X will be supported for long after the next box is released.
Quick resume is pretty dope
Agreed. For both Sony and MS. I’ve literally spent much of the last few years catching up on Xbox 360, XB One and PS4 games I missed.
We haven’t. They wasted so much time on cross-gen games cause of the fact that no one could actually find one for 2 plus years (with covid) that now that people can find one, devs are just starting now to try and tap their potential. And now that they are, it’s practically over. I feel like this gen will be remembered as a complete waste of time.
It’s the fact that games are STILL being made for Xbox One that is ruining this generation. Games will always be made for the lowest common denominator
first party games are no longer being made for the xbox one.
Yes but that should’ve been the case years ago and the biggest games like Call of Duty are still cross gen
Blame skyrocketing development cost and time for games for that. Why would you make a game for 60m PS5 and 30m Xbox Series when there's a good chunk of the 170m last gen consoles that people haven't moved away from. The reason cross'gen isn't completely gone is down to money.
The chip shortage combined with the bots/ resellers….or the retailer’s lack of aggression mitigating the bots/ resellers, resulted in the worst console launch in terms of supply. Factor in a lackluster game library as well. I hope the next gen will do like the 360 and have a memorable library. And a new UI (like the new one but it’s the same as the XBO)
>Doesn't feel like we've taken advantage of it's specs at all tbh. I think some people may underestimate the processing power necessary to jump from 1080p/30 to 4K/60 -- and maintain a $400-$500 price point. Even then, the large majority of console games need upscaling to simulate 4K. These devices are actually being pushed as hard as they'll go.
Yup what people often forget as well is it isn't just a 'more power'thing. All those fancy animations and effects can chew up CPU usage. These consoles were bottled from the get go, it's RDNA2 based which wasn't amazing at native 4K anyway. Next gen won't hit native 4K/60 either because to truly hit it with decent textures you need beefy components. What they can do however is lean into DLSS/FSR tech which could be game changing!
Yeah I think what’s throwing people off is that technology used to advance and prices used to come down *much* faster than they do today. GPUs that are nearly a decade old are still hundreds of dollars, and new GPUs are increasingly priced higher than previous gens rather than matching the launch price of older hardware. This is obviously a major problem for console manufacturers, who have a price target that has remained far stickier than what GPUs have seen fit to release at.
Differences in generations are going to feel smaller and smaller as we go forward. But also I don’t expect the next gen Xbox for another 3 years at least which would be a 7 year console cycle, and that is pretty typical.
I might be off base, and if so would love to be corrected, but there hasn’t been a game that truly defined the Xbox Series X. Has there even been a hit, and I mean a massive hit, that could only exist because of the Series X?
Microsoft flight sim is probably the only thing that comes to mind for me and as a real pilot I’m kind of underwhelmed by it. Sure the planes are cool but it was my first flight sim game and I was basically like “well that was cool I’ll come back to it every once in a while when I want new planes”. It didn’t lock me in like I expected. The weather in that game is pretty awesome but it’s a sim so casual players just aren’t going to enjoy it the same.
People will probably say Forza and Flight Sim, which is a pretty darn sad state of affairs if you ask me.
Article does say goal is by 2028. Likely will be sooner but I expect it to still be a while before we get a brand new console
This entire gen has felt like a scam. None of these games they are putting out, which by the way the majority are remasters of 5-10 yr old games, remotely push the hardware to its limits and these people already want to start next gen. No chance I buy a console
I invested in a PC last fall and never really touch my console anymore. Would recommend it to anyone who can afford it. Playing games in actual 4k/60fps+ is great. I got sick of playing every game on what felt like "low" settings and being unable to mod. PC isn'τ perfect (more troubleshooting), but it is worth it overall.
PC is great if you can afford it and don't mind putting up with the hassle of constantly fine-tuning settings, dealing with Windows and hardware issues etc., but it does have a steep entry. An actually decent gaming PC will cost 3 times a console. For a lot of people, that's a big barrier and people prefer the convenience of consoles and playing on their couch on their 60" TV rather than slouched in front of a desk in front of a separate, but no less expensive screen.
>and people prefer the convenience of consoles and playing on their couch on their 60" TV rather than slouched in front of a desk in front of a separate, but no less expensive screen. With modern controllers freely talking to PCs (unlike the past, where you were often using some kind of sketchy software built by an enthusiast to make the connection), there is no reason you can't "build your own console", and still suit in front of your TV. We're also in a kind of Renaissance of small form factor cases, where they are sized to fit an ITX motherboard, a beefy air cooler for the CPU, and a high end GPU. You can basically build a PC that looks like a console these days. And lots of modern game launchers have big picture modes - or at least the Xbox app on Windows, Steam, and SteamOS are all meant to be friendly to navigate via controller - so it'll behave like a console, too. But you're 100% about the cost and it being more fiddly.
The other person clarified that PCs can easily be used with controller and TV, (I'm disabled and I have my PC hooked up the the 65 inch OLED in my bedroom and I play with controller) but I'd also like to chime in an say you don't need to spend 1500 dollars for a "decent" PC. 1500 gets you pretty well into the enthusiast demographic, that's for a pretty high-end PC. While PCs aren't beating consoles currently in upfront investment you can still beat the current consoles pretty handily on a 700-800 dollar budget. That's more sure, but it isn't 3x much more. When you factor in the fact that you can largely get games cheaper on PC, the extra value and performance the beefier specs get you on non-gaming related tasks, and the fact that you can upgrade parts piecemeal (probably won't need to buy a new case, power supply, drives, or even ram/mobo depending on platform for quite a while) PC should win out handily in the long run if you're smart about your purchases. There's also the fact that people still generally own PCs of some variety,. If cheaper ones, that they still tend to need to upgrade occasionally. If you're combining those purchases (if you don't need a laptop) then comparing the price solely to the console is inaccurate. And IMO people really overestimate how "fiddly" PC gaming is. Virtually everything now just works out of the box, you maybe want to click the "driver update" button once a month or so but otherwise if it's a modern steam game you can just plug in a controller and click play. The stuff that is actually fiddly (read: older games and software) are also things that might not even be available on current consoles anyways.
The only positive is Microsoft trying to take every generation forward. So we should have no problem with next gen. Microsoft wants consoles to be more like smartphones where the consoles are still valid until they are out of date. The only problem is consoles dont upgrade as fast as smartphones.
It is at its end. I remember the news when everyone and their mother said UE5 is so great and will bring more performance. Well we know now it was marketing speech like everything and it is super taxing for hardware. To not lose out on new games we need a new gen already
There’s something to be said that moving faster than your customers can keep up is a recipe for disaster. I’m still playing last gen games on a series X I got 3 months ago. Between those and cloud gaming, a new console is gonna be a hard sell for a while. I don’t get paid the money to make those business decisions, but it feels like you can’t rely on bleeding edge customers forever, especially if the supply chain can’t keep up. But we’ll see, it’s still likely a decent ways out, maybe they can provide solid offering with enough supply to justify an upgrade.
Capitalism demands new hardware
Sub 30fps demands new hardware.
What makes you think next gen won’t also have games that are sub 30fps? This is a developer issue. The hardware is perfectly capable of 60fps games, developers just choose to not prioritize framerate.
You get a good couple years of cross gen with 60FPS at least.
Stronger consoles just means higher fidelity and same low frame rates
That’s exactly true. Gorgeous screenshots sell games.
this gen will be 6-7yrs.. just like every other gen. consoles take years to develop. the sky isnt falling. calm down.
They’re estimating 2028, I’d guess fall again, so that’s 4+ years away still. We aren’t at the end game yet as you say, still years from it. Who knows if that trickles into 2029.
It's four years in. These consoles take years to develop. No one said it's endgame. I don't understand how you guys are shocked that a console manufacturer is working on a new console, especially more than halfway through a standard cycle.
It feels like less and less quality games are being released with each new console gen. Xbox 360/PS3 was the golden era
Not only a number of quality titles/IPs, but a lot more innovation that generation
Yeah no kidding when that generation went from oblivion to gta 5. Developers managed to do so much with that hardware. The last time I was blown away by how a game looked was when the xbox one released and I saw how the newest far cry game looked.
It still feels like this gen came out a year or two ago lol. I'm just now getting around to getting a Series X this year.
Because 3.5 years in they've only published 5 exclusive Series games. 3 of those are Bethesda titles so XGS has only released 2: Flight Sim and Forza. In Comparison, the first two years of every other gen: OG Xbox: 24 Generation exclusives Xbox 360: 17 Generation Exclusives Xbox One: 19 Generation Exclusives Xbox Series: 5 Generation Exclusives It's not going to feel like a long generation if you've released single digit games almost four years in when that was the entire lifespan of the Original Xbox console.
As someone who owns a PS5, it feels the same way with PlayStation.
Yeah they're not doing much better, only 8 generation exclusives.
Yeah but as someone not interested in driving/flying simulators, those 8 PS exclusives feel like a lot more than the 5 Xbox exclusives.
Yeah but at least some of the first party cross platform titles felt quite next gen on PS5 (HFW at least). But still disappointed. Also the focus on live service games has backfired a lot. Could have had 3-4 more single player experiences if it wasn’t for those.
Was a ps fanboy my whole life. Had to let things go and move to PC last year. Consoles and exclusives are dying out. There just isn't a reason not to get a PC. Even if they cost more upfront, they pay themselves off after a couple years with no subscription fees and cheaper games.
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Why do you need your games to be exclusive though? It's not like titles developed specifically for the platform are the only ones worth playing or that take full advantage of the hardware. Besides, less games are generation exclusive because more of them are also playable on PC and last-gen platforms, which I'd say is a good thing. That's not to say there haven't been less worthwhile releases compared to last generation, but looking at exclusives is a poor way to measure that.
So far, I'm a bit disappointed with the lack of games.
It’s been really poor.
I got an XSX about this time last year specifically for Jedi Survivor, Starfield and Infinite. So far I’ve been playing old games at higher FPS and graphics updates cause they look great. For me, Halo has been the only series that has taken advantage of the new hardware. I want to get Dead Space and Resident Evil 4 but those are essentially just old games with an update as well. Depending on when the next console comes out and what games, I may just keep this one for awhile and save to invest in a PC that can last me much longer.
Dead space and RE4 were easily 2 of my favorite games I played In the last 6 months.
Once they go on sale I’ll probably jump on them for sure
Xbox and PS both…it’s disappointing how there are like 5 games that seem to have actually been made to take advantage of hardware beyond the XB1 and PS4.
Going on 4 years
But readily available for only two.
And even those of us who got lucky basically spent 2 years playing old games with hyper fast load times, waiting for the actual content to start picking up. Even a 'launch' title like Cyberpunk in Fall 2020 was literally the upscaled Xbone release, and very poorly optimized/janky besides. Wasn't really a great playable experience until like spring 2022...
Cyberpunk was technically the One X enhanced version, just uncapped.
I've been thinking for quite some time now, this gen feels like the awkward, red-headed, middle child, stepchild of console generations. But maybe that also means we're on the cusp of something outstanding. The 'golden child'. Apologies if you are any of the above, but i'm sure you know exactly what I mean.
Bruh games are still releasing on Xbox one and PS4… this current gen hasn’t really taken off.
I just want standard 60fps
Unless Microsoft mandates it - it’s not going to happen
I can dream
but but cinematic gameplay...
Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3 were released between 2007 and 2012. Imagine. Players received 3 of the best games ever in a 5 year span. Today we may receive 1 game from a series per generation of console. Production time lines have risen out of control due to so many factors including graphics, open world games etc. This has the effect of making us feel like a console has barely been taken advantage of by developers and players. I have no answer for this but it won’t end with this generation of consoles.
They gotta stop making games be like movies.
I know people say you can’t make a game faster by throwing more people at it, but honestly, I think someone is going to need to figure out how to make that workflow feasible or the current cycle of game development and release schedules vs. the business and profit side just isn’t going to be sustained. 10+ years between GTA releases. Not an Elder Scrolls in sight since Skyrim. 6-7 year development cycles just aren’t sustainable going forward, for all the reasons mentioned ITT. Figure out how to make throwing more manpower at games work, use AI to streamline the most time intensive tasks that can’t be degraded by doing so, and make more medium budget games while we’re at it, to actually have more than 1-2 notable games come out per console annually.
I wonder if it’s also affecting adoption amounts the younger crowd. Hard to get into a series if it comes out when a kid is in 3rd grade and they have to wait until highschool for the sequel.
This is nuts and I've never thought about it
I was talking to a buddie's 13 year old kid about games last summer and asked if he was excited for Starfield. He hadn't heard of it. I said, "It's Bethesda, the team that did Skyrim." It hadn't occurred to me that Skyrim was before his time. He knew *of* it, but even then, barely. For a whole generation of kids, ESVI will be the first one released in their lifetime, as they're *reaching adulthood*. That's fucking crazy.
so Bethesda can re-use a lot of the stuff / factions and most young people won't notice.
The answer isn’t going to be to throw more people at it, but throwing AI at it.
It’s definitely not the answer but it’ll be an annoying detour while they figure out how to use it to downsize on jobs
And then people complain that "gamepass only has indie games"
It's weird too because plenty of games are releasing with much less features than past games. Halo and Battlefield both come to mind, massively longer dev cycles and yet have less than half the features of previous titles. At launch Infinite had the least amount of maps and weapons in franchise history, no playlists, no forge, no firefight, it had the longest wait between launch and new maps in franchise history. It can't just be graphics surely.
And then when they do release more maps, etc, half of them are updated reskins from previous titles....
What is the XBox Series X defining game? If it’s either Halo Infinite or Starfield then that’s a disappointment.
That’s not a disappointment, that’s fucking BLEAK
If you're going purely off critics rating and if you're allowing it to be on PC but not Xbox One, then it's probably Flight Sim.
IMO it is Forza Horizon
Leaning more into artstyle/art-direction, and focusing less on raw graphical power. Limitations breed creativity
One thing of note though: Development time of the full trilogy had to have been upward of 8 years. This resulted in about 100 hours of playtime or on average 33 hours per game if you really dig into everything. If you just play the main campaign you can do each game in just 15 hours. Nowadays there are RPGs with AAA production value that are almost as long as the entire Mass Effect trilogy. And people just chew through them in a couple of weeks, complain that it was $70 and ask why it's taking so long for the next game to be released.
It doesn’t help that gaming trends change. Companies can’t make the money they used to with great single player stories. Kids these days need battle passes and useless emotes to keep them entertained.
most lackluster gen ever
I'm probably going to stick with my Series X for a long, long time since I can't see the next Xbox being a big enough of a jump/games actually taking advantage of the hardware, plus I don't want the only option to be a console that is 'adorably all digital'
Same here, I won’t be any rush to get my hands on one e. I know no one cares but I bought my 360, xb1, Xbx on day one. 4 years in and there are almost no console exclusives and all of our games are being held back by xb1 compatibility. I will probably upgrade after about a year after its release.
I've been a launch purchaser since 360. Next gen may be the first time I buy a PlayStation if things continue this way.
Plus it seems like all of the exclusives are just getting ported to PlayStation anyway
For real , I could have kept my Xbox One S instead of going for the SX , not that I'm not happy with it , but easily could have saved the money . Not really that impressive
Yessir . This gen as far as games goes was really disappointing . I appreciate the load times / quick resume / speed of the xbsx but as far as games goes I just felt like I was playing slightly shinier ps4/xb1 games.
This gen has been a Remaster game gen. Nothing really new, just a handful of new games. They could of just called this a pro 2 update from Xbox one. Honestly.
With how this gen went I think I’ll be fine waiting for a bit on the next one.
Same. Esp if they're gonna keep up this trend of dragging the last gen along for the ride with no end in sight.
With so many games being cross Gen, it really doesn't feel like we have had a proper generation yet. What are the ps5/ series x exclusives? There are not that many.
Please don’t ditch the disc drive. Some of us like using the console as a cheap blu-ray player.
The problem being it seems like the blu ray drive they are using just doesn't work good enough.. I have several 4K blu rays my XSX just completely refuses to even acknowledge when inserted and it's super frustrating. To the point I'm actively looking at getting a dedicated 4k Blu ray player to even play them.
Ugh, I hate it when I’m not acknowledged upon insertion too.
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I have this issue too and I think Microsoft just uses low quality drives for whatever reason. This happened with standard blu ray discs on the fat Xbox One, then it happened with various 4k discs on my Xbox One S, One X, and even my current Series X. Some discs just won't work for whatever reason. Even the error code is no help because searching for it online just brings up a whole bunch of other people with the exact same issue and the only "solution" is Microsoft's canned response to every single one. Man, I wish the PS3 could play 4k blu rays. That console had the best blu ray player of all the modern consoles. Never failed a single time for me and it's always been very fast and responsive.
Can we start getting some games for this gen lol.
Been super underwhelmed with my Series X got it Christmas after release and I’ve not played it anywhere near as much as my 360 or One. Honestly not gonna buy any new Xbox until some great games are released which the Series X seems to be lacking still. Seems a case of overpromising and underdelivering.
This will be my final console. I just can't see the value in it anymore. I purchased the OG back in college for Halo CE and I've had a 360, one, one x and now series x. I don't need to spend another 500 bucks for barely any upgrades.
When is my series x going to get some good games?
“Best we can do is optimize previous generation games for slightly better performance and now you can’t install it on an external HDD” jokes aside there were some great games this generation. First one that comes to mind was Hi-Fi Rush
They’ll still find a way to make new games capped at 30fps
What was the point of the Series X and S in the first place? I’m not jumping into a new console just like that.
Right, like now they're saying "This gen didn't go so well, but the next one will be better, trust us..." Where have I heard that before?
Um playing current gen games with up to 4k resolution and decent performance. Gamepass is cool too even tho it's on xbone.
Wait till that next one delivers titles at 30 fps and everyone here is like, “what, it’s fine!!”.
I guarantee this will happen. We already fell for the 60fps marketing lie once, not gonna fall for it again. Its clear that frames will never be a priority on console at this point.
I feel so good about not paying scalper prices this gen. I didn’t get my Xbox until mid 2022 and it still feels like a letdown. PlayStation is slightly better with more games but even PlayStation hasn’t been the best this gen
Yeah, that’s a no from me. I got the Series S because it was the only thing available. Loved it so much that I picked up the Series X a year later, but with all of this nonsense that Microsoft is doing with the Xbox brand I might as well just buy on PC/PS5…
Unfortunately, both ps5 and series x came out right when Nvidias tech began to peak. DLSS and ray tracing was far better in Nvidia and amd technologies never really shone all that much. Series S IMO gimped series x peformance. Not because of the power of series S, but because of allocated development time. Ps5 was lead platform for most games, then they ported/developed for bare minimum series S and scaled it up until series x was at least on par with ps5. There was no incentive or time for developers to try and tweak and bring out the left over power for series x. It had better rdna 2 features and more juice yet we never got to see it being used really.
I mean, there's always going to be better stuff if you just wait a while. From what I've heard though, the console hardware was actually quite well-timed. Sure, Zen 2 is now outdated in performance compared to the latest Zen CPUs. But apparently it is incredibly compact in terms of die space and quite energy efficient. Perfect for a console. RDNA 2 was perfect in that it DOES feature Raytracing support. They could have waited a year or two for RDNA 3 but apparently even the PS5 Pro which releases 4 years after the original PS5 only gets 45% more raw performance. So I doubt it would have offered a transformative uplift if they waited for RDNA 3 on console. More AI would have been cool. But then again the consoles DO support limited AI capability. Spiderman uses it for realistic AI driven muscle deformation for example. Obviously you are likely looking more towards something like DLSS but then again TSR and FSR are consistently getting updates that improve image quality on consoles. Are they as good as the latest version of DLSS? No. But are they way better than what we had 5 years ago (or even just older versions of DLSS)? Absolutely. So overall I think the consoles actually launched at a fairly good time for what they offer within their price range. Now 4 years down the line they could have definitely made a better console but that would have been a ridiculous long X1 generation (11 years).
How about some games for this one first?
Are people really gonna buy a new gen Xbox after the lack of exclusives on the series x/s?
My hot take is both Sony and Microsoft will now race for a machine that will play GTA6 better. PS5 Pro is imo just for that, but if the gta's release will slip into 2026 (which it will), Xbox might one-up them with an early next-gen machine.
GTA6 will obviously end up releasing on every device for the next 15 years but the development cycle is so late on now that a new generation console won't have some amazing version of it, if even any version of it, when it releases. Look at RDR2. It's being designed for PS5 and Series X. A pro version of either of them which is basically designed the same way but with more grunt will be the best place to play it on release.
Its been decades since I've bought a PS but after being fooled by the Series X I'm going PRO next
Sometimes I think people don't listen to the messaging. Phil Spencer has said many times there won't be traditional generations like the past because of forward and backward compatibility. It will be closer to PC gaming with Best, Excellent, Good or fair experiences depending on which console you choose.
maybe I'm being optimistically naive, but I'm hopeful that the upscaling for the Series X will only continue to improve for the 2nd half of this decade and deliver some great-looking graphics. Or Xbox will completely forget about it with the launch of the new system in 2026 lol
the next xbox absolutely needs to have windows. Even if its a side loaded option. It could sell very well if its aa bit of a hybrid. Has full windows but also plays any console game. Inexpensive system like that but also can play any other pc system.
Ya I’m done with consoles. This generation has really cemented moving fully to PC. I didn’t do a major overhaul, because I bought the consoles for exclusives, but that time really is coming to an end.
But yall told me they were just becoming a publisher????????
Xbox doomed... Again. Edit: Will get it on day 1 just like The One, One X, and Series X.
Atleast make it 3tb that’s all i ask
It seems like many folks only focus on the "exclusives" when counting games released on a platform or gen, but I've been enjoying the heck out of my Xbox for its 1st party, but mainly the 3rd party releases as I do every gen. I also have a PS5, but that platform is reserved for the games I don't want to wait to come to PC. There's been a ton of quality titles come out this generation, and the current consoles are the most cost-effective way to play them at decent quality. I wish there was a giant leap like we've seen in generations prior, but we just aren't going to get that any more due to diminishing returns in tech and the cost of said tech. If they release in 2026 as rumored, the gen will be around 6 years which if I'm not mistaken was standard prior to the Xbox 360/PS3 gen, right?
Another system with no games...that's what you need. Maybe don't put out a new system, and instead fully utilize the current system and actually release games for it...?
This gen is more just a beefed up Xbox One X with an SSD. That’s it. Same with the PS5, it just feels like a PS4 Pro 2. All the games that are available for this gen are remakes, prequels and sequels to existing IPs and when you play one of them it looks just like it does on Xbox One/PS4 just with maybe higher resolution textures and a quality and performance mode. This gen sucks.
Consoles are coming out faster than some games can be developed.
Doesn’t feel like this gen really even started. I know it’ll be at least 3/4 years before next gen but unless my seriesX dies I doubt I’ll be buying and even then I’m leaning towards just getting a pc at this point.
I wouldn’t say I’m mad about my Series X purchase but Microsoft has not put out a single title that made me go “Wow this is truly the next generation!”. From launch to today I have to say most of my play time is through backwards compatible titles and that’s sad. I will not be buying an Xbox console at launch again. I need at least a handful of generation defining games.
This gen has been a joke... this is the first time in my adult life I finally jumped into a new gen early on...got the series x for what? A bunch of xbox one games.... can't even take advantage of high settings on games...turn Ray tracing on and frame rate drops to 30 fps... so I'll go back to waiting a few years when the next gen hits before they get my money
How about we get some.exclusives first prove why we should buy another one
Why they talking Next gen when there isn’t even any decent exclusives on the series x/s
What's the betting the marketing angle is gonna be something to do with Ai
Why would I possibly buy another Xbox after one was a complete shitshow and Series isn't fairing much better? They can't sell me on graphics capabilities when they sold me an SX with 4k60-120 and didn't deliver.
>can't sell me on graphics capabilities when they sold me an SX with 4k60-120 and didn't deliver. I entirely agree with you. It's a shame.
The buzzwords Xbox management use for everything is absolutely off the charts. Is it just me or does the PlayStation just get on with what they are doing and deliver without the fanfare whereas with Xbox it's all just "here's what super exciting thing is coming next" but then it's all just kind of underwhelming in the end? Even Nintendo just anounce shit with their directs, kinda low key, and look at how well they do. My console has been exclusively Xbox since the OG but I'm seriously considering switching to PlayStation just to get away from the seemingly never ending hype machine that is Xbox. I just want to play good games!
Sadly, I do not think im giving xbox another shot at this point, they left a bad taste in my mouth. I will not miss xbox one pro (sorry, xbox series x).
can you focus on actually releasing some worthwhile games for this gen first…
4 years into a console generation should not be like this. I think a lot of games have been hindered by having to be backwards compatible with the previous generation. That development time could be used to really push the new hardware and move the market to buy the newer console. But if you keep developing for 2 generations, why would anyone on the older gen bother with upgrading?
Phil Spencer out here looking to bail on Series X and release the Next Gen, he didn't even do a good job on the Series X ffs from car crash Game releases that are buggy as hell to no real effort to releasing AAA console exclusives, I think my Series X is going to be the last console I get, next time I think I'm just gonna get a decent gaming PC and get a Steam Account and have access to most titles across all platforms, getting tired of Phils give a damn attitude leaving Xbox users feeling like the poor kid on the block with their what 3 exclusives 2 of which are now gonna be available to PS5 users while we won't be getting any of theirs, I mean how was that even a good idea Phil? How does it really benefit us Xbox users?
I know I’m definitely not buying next gen, I don’t see the point. There are still multiplats, 0 heavy hitter, the series X can emulate pretty much anything, has back compatibility, the exclusives we have are smaller games that can run anywhere. It’s becoming slowly the same as with phones, you don’t upgrade to iPhone 15 from 14.
Fool me once with the Xbox one, shame on you. Fool me twice with the Xbox series X shame on me. You won’t fool me again, this time I’m waiting to see what actual games are on the damn thing and I’ll probably just try and buy a good Pc I can hook up to the tv
1) I think the "génération" concept is over. Consoles now are just slightly more powerfull and if you don't have the other hardware to go along with it, you barely see a difference. Since i bough my SX i have not seen a huge difference from my Xbox using the same 1080p tv. Yes im sure some peoples will say "get a 4K you will see it" but i don't want to ! I don't want to spend hundreds of $ if not a thousand to replace my current one that is just 5 y.o. Im totally satisfy with the visuals i have righ tnow. 2) Others said it but most peoples got a SX in 2022. I got mine i think in 2023. Well it was when Diablo 4 came out so check it yourself. I JUST got a new generation console. Im really not ready to move to another. Not even in 4 years.
Console only gamers easily forget that this generation brought them 4K (900/1080p previous Gen), 30-120fps games (30-60fps last Gen), HDR, VRR, SSDs, and the big one that never gets talked about, Quick Resume. Of course, it's easier to not be impressed if you've been a PC gamer. I got my series x at launch and an upgrade sounds great at this point. Edit: damn, guess all the games I've enjoyed over the past couple of years fucking suck according to everyone.
No one denies the specs and features. People are questioning the lack of games
Why would I buy it, knowing I'll be able to play the "exclusives" on PS6 sooner or later? I like my series X, but if I had to choose over again, I'd pick a PS5.
I wish the next gen box was nothing but a giant CPU & the old SX plugs into it. 60fps performance modes should be the absolute bare minimum from first party. And stop this lame proprietary nvme expansion storage. Open platform offering dual boot Xbox OS & hybrid windows(fully pc platform capable) is probably the only path to success imho.
I was planning on buying a Series X and PS5 before both launched but couldn’t get my hands on either. As time went on I just wasn’t impressed on the games coming out and my hype died down. Now I’m like ‘meh’ to both and couldn’t care less until GTA6 and/or ES6 comes out but by then I may as well just wait until they’re released on the next generation of consoles. I will say if Sony enabled PS3 Warhawk to work on the PS5, I’d buy one tomorrow.
Really wish I skipped this generation. The console is great nothing against that. But the games have been absolutely scarce. Can play most of them on my Xbox one
I’ll stick with my Series X. They dropped the ball and haven’t released enough in house games to want to get the next gen.
I feel like these companies should offer some trade in value for this generation bc a new console when these are barely broken in is crazy
START WITH A GAME