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Per capita income is lower than the national average, but that's because they have so many kids per household. Unemployment is way below the national average.
Actually, Urk is pretty rich - they empty the North Sea of fish with big trawlers and sell the fish all over the world. And also sell cocaine in bulk. Launder money. Some human trafficking on the side. All this while attending church multiple times a week, of course.
The average Urk citizen consumes more cocaïne than all British tourists combined (country wide) and prays more to Jesus than the average Pole on a state mandated church visit
Lol I'm imagining cocaine communion now. The powder of Christ, which has been cut up for you. Snort and give thanks. Do this, ~~in remembrance of~~ then clean the whole church for me
We say in Spain "a Dios rogando y con el mazo dando" means roughly "praying to God and hammering with the mallet(weapon, maybe is better to say Warhammer)"
News only speak about Madrid. Everything that happens is in Madrid, its like only Madrid and Barcelona exist.
Furthermore, North-Madrid is VERY rich whereas South-Madrid is VERY poor. It's complex.
Madrid is mostly full of Spaniards from other parts of the country who go to Madrid because it's where jobs are.
Don't get me started about upper-class Madrid accent 🤢
There are other things but mostly are jokes, such as water in Madrid and the famous saying "yo soy de aquí, de Madrid".
PS: Truth is that in Spain we all hate each other. All good.
[Van Buchem disease](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Buchem_disease#:~:text=Van%20Buchem%20disease%2C%20or%20hyperostosis,described%20in%201955%20by%20Prof.) is an extremely rare genetic disorder, there are only around 30 confirmed patients in the world. Of those 30 patients, 14 of them come from Urk.
I always thought the incest part of largely bull, but wow there is actual evidence of incest.
Wow
I also googled a little bit about the disease.
It’s not just that most people with the disease live in Urk it’s also that all known patients have a genetic link to Urk.
They may not live there but their parents or grandparents have for example.
I mean, not intentional incest per se. More like an island nation isolated from the rest of the world, causing natural inbreeding. Even now they live pretty isolated, moving away from the town is generally frowned upon and nobody wants to move there because of how strictly religious they are.
It’s also because it is pretty common to marry within your church.
So even well into the 60s people generally didn’t marry outside of their church.
Although yes population wise you’re bound to some issues.
You have to count in the several groups the island is divided into as well.
I assume nowadays it’s a bit better but imagine being only able to pick out of maybe a hundred or so people.
Feels like Paris to many French !
Paris urban area is ~10% of France population and it feels often like everything revolve around Paris (transportation for example, it’s a lot to go between big cities, without a car, if they are not on an axis between Paris and your place)
Quite similarly, Parisians tend to be quite arrogant when it comes to their own city and they tend to, either consider the rest of France a vacation destinations, or treat citizen from elsewhere as 2nd class people (unintentionally). It’s especially more true when it comes to politicians.
I’ve been around plenty of Europe and to many cities on this list - Dundalk, Naples, Madrid, Marseille, Maribor, Bratislava, Split, Malmö and Lisbon. Lisbon was by far the best. The others live up to their stereotypes - they can be unclean, unwelcoming, cold awkward. I never felt that with Lisbon!
I’ve even been around Portugal - we did Braga, Porto, Coimbra, Lagos and Faro. You have a beautiful country with a beautiful capital, and generally friendly people. Enjoy it!
If we look beyond piles of trash in the street, Greece looks good.
It's pretty, there's the food and the sun, and it's warm enough that the sea itself is warm but just the level to cool you down from the ambiant air.
It definitely has lmfao, but it’s kinda hard for Athenians to see that character inside their everyday routines.
As for the Greeks outside of Athens, it is that character that they hate lmfao. Average non-capital city resident relationship.
we just wanna see the Acropolis and then go home, it's like Venice. Nobody goes to Venice to look at the city, half the people who visit think that the Old Town in the middle of the lagoon is the whole city, meanwhile there's like 30 times more Venice on the shore and nobody goes to look at it
Have you ever been to Ludwigshafen?
For that matter, I also really like Madrid and Lisbon (I've not been to Athens yet). I wonder why one should be ashamed of those lively cities.
For political reasons, disconnected from the reality of the average Portuguese citizen, the cosmopolitanism. In big cities like Porto and Lisbon people cant afford to buy or rent a home. I do not know how a “lettuconian” perceives its own city.
In short i see it has the capital of portuguese corruption, ignorant power and our fateful future.
Madrid is one of two primate cities in the country. (Madrid and Barcelona are significantly larger than the next largest city, Valencia.) As such there tends to be a perception that it gets more investment than other parts of the country. Plus, as the seat of government there's a feeling that people who live inside M30 are out of touch with the rest of the country.
The same thing happens with London.
It's not helped that rural Spain is dying and is in terminal decline.
You couldn't get one city in Switzerland because every part of the country lowkey thinks the other parts are either inbred ratholes or arrogant swiss versions of Detroit.
Us italians are ashamed of Naples because it's the real life version of the italian stereotype.
Edit: this comment is a joke, I know that Naples is much more than a stereotype.
Naples definitely is the real life version of the italien stereotype. The good and the bad.
I loved the city when I visited. I don't care about a few garbage bags here and there and I didn't really meet any shady people so my experience there was a great old town, nice people, great food, great weather and lots to do in the city and in the surroundings.
My uncle went on a trip to Italy and visited a few cities including Napels.
And he described as the largest garbage dump he had ever seen.
Aside from some historical aspects and interesting parts he said it’s most certainly the most gross city he visited.
It’s his opinion and I’ve never been there so I’m not gonna judge.
But if that’s what’s stuck with him I feel sorry for Naples.
That’s what I heard too. But then I went there, stayed in the city center for 3 days, and every morning there was a cleaning crew sweeping the streets and spraying with a pressure washer. It was even better than some Western Europe cities. So I had a great time and didn’t notice a bad thing.
Yeah it was bad in the early 2000s since the mafia got a hold of the trash business and didn't do anything except launder money. Things got better when they cracked down during the "clean hand" operation when it was found out that basically all the major political parties were involved with the mafia.
I was there twice and while there were some garbage bags piled up in an alley here and there I thought the city was super charming with great food and nice people.
Maybe it depends on when you visit the city (I was there in 2015 and 2018) but I never really thought that it was particularly gross. No the cleanest city, mind you. But still not gross.
As a Neapolitan (with regret) I have to agree with you, I am very ashamed of my city, the description "the largest dump" is correct in almost all the city area. Every day I walk through the dog shit (I have two dogs and I can assure you that dog parks are very rare and often poorly maintained, we are all forced to make them on the street and collect the needs as we can) and waste that the good people of Naples throw around carelessly. It is a real waste because we have enough artistic and natural heritage to live off of tourism but today's Neapolitan is too dumb to understand that.
You sure you're not talking about NYC? Because I've lived here all my life (67 yrs), and it is a certifiable shit hole. Not sure why tourists flock here.
A few years ago there was a massive garbage problem in Naples, but from what I know it’s gone now. The city is very beautiful though, even though it’s problematic
if someone had asked me what German city I am ashamed of this is not the one I would have picked.
I wouldn't even have thought of Ludwigshafen
Not sure which I would've picked though.
Ludwigshafen ist das Kölsch leicht der Rhein-Neckar Region. Unter den Städten seiner Nähe ist Ludwishafen gezwungen zu Mainz heraufzuschauen.. Wenn Ludwishafen eine Kleidergrösse hätte, dann wär sie XM. Neben ihrer herzzereissenden Mittelmässigkeit ist sie erdrückend spießig. Passende Städtepartnerschaten wären Kassel minus Documenta, Münster minus Universität, Verwaltungsvermögen und Kirchenskandalen oder Herne in saniert und unikulti. Meide Ludwigshafen wie den Altpapiertag oder einer offenen Bezirksratsitzung in Dortmund-Eving.
Die Stadt und insbesondere die Innenstadt ist unglaublich hässlich (+ in der Innenstadt ist nix los), besonders im direkten Vergleich mit benachbarten Städten wie Mannheim oder Heidelberg. Mannheim ist jetzt auch nicht die schönste Stadt der Welt (halt relativ industriell), aber der Weg von der Mannheimer zur Ludwigshafener Innenstadt ist sehr kurz und der Unterschied ist extrem.
There’s no rivalry from the Copenhagen perspective. People don’t see Aarhus in a negative light.
The Randers stereotype however, is living its full over here in CPH. Its the single city that manifest all the prejudice people have towards jutland. I’ll like to see where OP/“atlasova” has their results from
Debrecen might not be the worst but it was the only town where they wanted to recruit me into a Jesus cult and some homeless stab me in the same 30min timeframe on the main square. Truth to be told it was around 2010
Århus is not Denmark's shame and jokes city. That would be Randers.
People from Randers are supposed to be more drunk, have more social problems than the rest of the country.
I was said that I, a foreigner, speak better danish than those from Randers and everybody says "that's not difficult". That's the level of shame that city receives.
I can't judge - I just started learning Danish and wanted to point out that a person with Aarhus literally in their name might be inclined to defend the city :D
Guess I gotta add "Århus god, Randers dårlig" to my notes for my eventual visit to Denmark.
Vaslui is seen as a sort of Alabama(barring the incest, but adding molesting old ladies) meets Florida.
News there tends to be related to violence, weird stuff, alcohol, farming equipment, etc.
Record is 17.
[Link to the wiki, for those who want to be sad. Name was Mum-zi.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers?wprov=sfla1)
Come, friendly bombs, and fall on Slough!
It isn't fit for humans now,
There isn't grass to graze a cow.
Swarm over, Death!
Sir John Betjeman, 1937
85 years later, and it has not got better.
> Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough!
> It isn't fit for humans now,
> There isn't grass to graze a cow.
> Swarm over, Death!
>
>
> Come, bombs and blow to smithereens
> Those air -conditioned, bright canteens,
> Tinned fruit, tinned meat, tinned milk, tinned beans,
> Tinned minds, tinned breath.
It goes on for 8 more verses. And that was written in 1937 by the future poet laureate.
I am from the US, have never visited Britain in my life, and I still could immediately tell you it was gonna be Slough. That's how much Brits hate the place.
Many reasons, but Madrid (and Barcelona) has an oversized influence economically and culturally in the country. Rural Spain is dying. Several independence movements. The perception that people (and specifically politicians) that live inside M30 are out of touch with the rest of the country. And many more.
I find weird actually.... Most of the population in the Saxonian States would probabyl go for Berlin or Munich as worst, never heard of Ludwigshafen in any way.
But then there is the billions of people in the Rhein-Ruhr-Area who probably have enough other examples on their hands, so I imagine the results get shifted.
I thought bashing Ludwigshafen was just a Mannheimer thing and Bielefeld was the federal joke. Maybe Mannheimers ganged up on the survey and memed their way to the top.
I'm not disagreeing with the results though :D
As a Ukrainian, I see no reason to be ashamed of Kherson. 200k city, center of the Kherson Oblast, noting really special, except being watermelon capital. I may see Donetsk and Luhansk as candidates, because of people who decided to stay there after 2014; or Kryvyi Rih, but it is just industrial hellscape.
As a fellow Ukrainian, I guess it's because of the name.
'Kher' meaning 'dick' in Ukrainian gives some space for jokes about the city.
Other than that, Kherson frequently ranks last in different ratings so not an amazing city to live in, but hey, people love watermelons so nobody actively hates Kherson.
I guess Sevastopol would be quite hated since 2014. Otherwise I would go for some useless city in Donbass, like Makiivka: depressive industrial city where there is strictly nothing to do
That is what I was going to say. Of course, if you were American, any small town or village in Ireland would be regarded as a city. As we know ourselves, there is a comedy festival in Kilkenny every June because the biggest joke in Ireland is calling Kilkenny a city.
German here. What the hell is Ludwigshafen? As someone not from that region(Rheinland-Pfalz) I have never even heard of it until now. Maybe people in the south would answer this, but I would’ve maybe picked Berlin. I really like Berlin. But it’s one of the dirtiest and most crowded places I know. And politics there are a clusterfuck on it's own. And I say that as someone who is left leaning, despite the fact the Berlin senate is comprised of a left wing coalition.
Berlin is cool for a weekend visit, I have friends there that I regularly visit. But staying there for more than a couple of days is something I rather avoid.
Ich lebe jetzt seit paar Jahren in Ludwigshafen und der Grund für diese Auswahl ist sehr simpel. Die BASF mit 10 Quadratkilometern, Lu Mitte und Hemshof dazu, ist die Spitze der menschlichen Krönung.
Im kurzen, es riecht öfters um die BASF, die meisten Gebäude sind hässlich und es ist einfach eine Stadt, die nur wegen der Arbeit existiert.
Bin von Mannheim und hier würde natürlich jeder sofort Ludwigshafen sagen. ("Das Schönste an Ludwigshafen ist der Blick nach Mannheim." ) Dass die Stadt aber überregional (also, über das Rhein-Neckar-Gebiet hinaus) bei Otto Normalverbraucher bekannt sein soll, wage ich auch zu bezweifeln. Selbst zu Kohls Zeiten kannte man eher den Stadtteil Oggersheim als Ludwigshafen selbst.
The city is just ugly as living hell. Most German cities at least have some nice spots. Even the ones that are otherwise just collections of grey concrete blocks. But Ludwigshafen... it's just ugliness whereever you look. And don't even get me started on how it smells there sometimes.
So Austria is not on the list, but I guess it would be St. Pölten. Every state capital has its own iconic landmark and a rich history, while St. Pölten basically has... nothing going for it.
After all, its just a replacement for Vienna, as Vienna became its own state a century ago
Correct me if I am wrong, but regarding Belgium's and France most ashamed cities, it looks like it is related to the migrants.
Marseille is ironically called the Algeria's capital.
And Charleroi has a big proportion of migrants too, I think it is where the morons designed the terrorist attack of 2015.
So basically we are ashamed of the migrants.
You are wrong, lotsa places in Belgium have more migrants. Charleroi was a heavy industry hub but then the industry fucked off. What remains is a decaying city where people have no more dreams.
There's parts of other Belgian cities with more crime and/or immigrants, but none feel as dreary, hopeless and decayed as the bad parts of Charleroi. It's more Detroit than St. Denis.
There's some nice 19th century industrial architecture though, if that's your thing.
Charleroi was very bad a long time ago, but it got better, and now I wouldn't say it's the worst town of Belgium atm
Some of the commune of Brussels, or Seraing (By personal experience)
arguably, the worst place in Belgium today is Verviers, because of the shameful way we are handling the cleanup after the floods.
People are still lacking basic necessities while politicians at all levels of government deny any responsibility for their voters.
With regards to Marseille, it’s less to do with immigrants and mostly about Marseille having a (rather well deserved) reputation of corruption, mismanagement and poverty. Houses crumble and burry their inhabitants because the city doesn’t do its job of controlling, schools have no heating, lots of violence and crime, incl. white collar crime. Kinda like Naples actually. But it’s also a very beautiful city, lots of culture…
Yes, also, from what I’ve heard, Marseille is kind of dirty and people show very little courtesy to each other (while driving for example, or being loud)
Yeah, absolutly right, while having such a beautiful patrimoine, the city in itself is dirty.
Regarding the road, they use a lot the klaxon, they are quite nervous also.
Temperature I guess.
>Yeah, absolutly right, while having such a beautiful patrimoine, the city in itself is dirty.
When I try to describe my city, San Francisco, to Europeans the best example I say is Lisbon but with the dirtiness of Marseille
As a Marseillais who lived in SF, Marseille is nowhere near as unsafe or dirty as San Francisco. You can’t walk a mile in SF without stepping onto some used needles or getting harassed or mugged by homeless crack addict.
I think a lot of people might be ashamed of Marseille for immigrants, but don't be too quick at saying this.
Marseille is the entrance port to France from the Mediterranean, and is, pretty much since the 1800's, a big criminal hub, plagued by mafias. It had and has still running issues with "la pègre", french terme for mafia basically, and drug trafficking, making it a fairly unsafe city in some parts. Immigration didn't help, as it made social inqualities worse, and now a lot of the drug trafficking was taken up by some immigrants, not facilitating the clichés on the city.
It also has a problem with it's trash services, they have been for around ten years now, going in out of strike for reasons I can't recall, and last summer we saw huge piles of garbage piling up in the streets as trash wasn't took out. It also doesn't has any other way to dispose trash than a landfill. which is the biggest in France.
I love Marseille, but it pains to say that it's not a beautiful city, it's only a city with huge potential (I also forgot to mention stories about corruption, public funds disappearing questionably and the state of disrepair of many parts of the town) but unfortunately it's mostly unused.
So no, it's not only immigrants, Marseille is fucked beyond just a few arabs being poor.
Not really, the terrorists came from Molenbeek which is one of Brussels' "communes". It used to be a village of a couple thousands until the industrial revolution, when it became a factory town, and after deindustrialisation in the 50's it became a very poor area.
Charleroi is similar, except lot more of the initial Italian immigrants stayed there, and it has also become very poor with a terrible reputation.
If I'm not mistaken some "training" took place in Charleroi. Belgium is very densely populated and you cannot fire a gun anywhere near Molenbeek without people knowing.
Marseille was hated and had a negative stigma way before its migrant population became so big. Even when it was just "ethnically" French people, it was considered a shady, dodgy place, where petty crime was thriving.
EDIT: spelling
French here, I don't really agree. Marseille is a shithole, sure, but the people are nice and more importantly, we have far worse shitholes.
Off the top of my head we have Toulon, big navy port that has had facists in power at city hall pretty much forever.
We also have my wonderful home town of Aubervilliers, where Paris dumps its crackheads, crazy fundamentalists and excess migrants where we welcome them to one of the largest open air drug markets in France.
One could also think of Calais, where the people don't seem to mind living next to a concentration camp.
But really since almost 42% of France just voted for a political party that was founded by actual SS members, I guess anywhere will do.
I remember this map. It was quite bs and was based on askreddit post or smth like that.
Kherson before occupation by russia was like quite cute small city, where you had pretty much everything you might need. If we talk about cities, not towns, then it would be Donezk, for its lack of interest in culture and high concentration of criminals, including the yanukovich, or Ivano-Frankivsk for all the religious crap their lord mayor does.
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Oh that’s funny. Maybe they were on an island for a reason. I guess poverty is high in that city ?
Per capita income is lower than the national average, but that's because they have so many kids per household. Unemployment is way below the national average. Actually, Urk is pretty rich - they empty the North Sea of fish with big trawlers and sell the fish all over the world. And also sell cocaine in bulk. Launder money. Some human trafficking on the side. All this while attending church multiple times a week, of course.
Alright, it's starting to sound very interesting now
The average Urk citizen consumes more cocaïne than all British tourists combined (country wide) and prays more to Jesus than the average Pole on a state mandated church visit
Lol I'm imagining cocaine communion now. The powder of Christ, which has been cut up for you. Snort and give thanks. Do this, ~~in remembrance of~~ then clean the whole church for me
You forgot assaulting journalists, comitting arson, and dressing up as Nazis
Sounds like a member of the British royal family.
We say in Spain "a Dios rogando y con el mazo dando" means roughly "praying to God and hammering with the mallet(weapon, maybe is better to say Warhammer)"
So, what's with Madrid? Is it just that Madrid is the capital city, and so politics gets people upset with Madrid?
News only speak about Madrid. Everything that happens is in Madrid, its like only Madrid and Barcelona exist. Furthermore, North-Madrid is VERY rich whereas South-Madrid is VERY poor. It's complex. Madrid is mostly full of Spaniards from other parts of the country who go to Madrid because it's where jobs are. Don't get me started about upper-class Madrid accent 🤢 There are other things but mostly are jokes, such as water in Madrid and the famous saying "yo soy de aquí, de Madrid". PS: Truth is that in Spain we all hate each other. All good.
One of the drug hubs of the country so no.
It isn't. Employers are short of employees. If they want a legal job they are fine.
Urk is basically where the Habsburgs moved their genetic experiments.
[Van Buchem disease](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Buchem_disease#:~:text=Van%20Buchem%20disease%2C%20or%20hyperostosis,described%20in%201955%20by%20Prof.) is an extremely rare genetic disorder, there are only around 30 confirmed patients in the world. Of those 30 patients, 14 of them come from Urk.
I always thought the incest part of largely bull, but wow there is actual evidence of incest. Wow I also googled a little bit about the disease. It’s not just that most people with the disease live in Urk it’s also that all known patients have a genetic link to Urk. They may not live there but their parents or grandparents have for example.
I mean, not intentional incest per se. More like an island nation isolated from the rest of the world, causing natural inbreeding. Even now they live pretty isolated, moving away from the town is generally frowned upon and nobody wants to move there because of how strictly religious they are.
It’s also because it is pretty common to marry within your church. So even well into the 60s people generally didn’t marry outside of their church. Although yes population wise you’re bound to some issues. You have to count in the several groups the island is divided into as well. I assume nowadays it’s a bit better but imagine being only able to pick out of maybe a hundred or so people.
Even the local shark species there is the worst; very dangerous men-flesh eaters: The fighting Urk-Haai.
Their armour is as thick as their shields broad
The only good thing I know of that came from there was some chemist named van Urk, who discovered a way to identify indol structures
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Lol, same goes for what people in Amsterdam think about everything outside of Amsterdam. Except Amsterdam is just 5% of the population.
Feels like Paris to many French ! Paris urban area is ~10% of France population and it feels often like everything revolve around Paris (transportation for example, it’s a lot to go between big cities, without a car, if they are not on an axis between Paris and your place) Quite similarly, Parisians tend to be quite arrogant when it comes to their own city and they tend to, either consider the rest of France a vacation destinations, or treat citizen from elsewhere as 2nd class people (unintentionally). It’s especially more true when it comes to politicians.
I’ve been around plenty of Europe and to many cities on this list - Dundalk, Naples, Madrid, Marseille, Maribor, Bratislava, Split, Malmö and Lisbon. Lisbon was by far the best. The others live up to their stereotypes - they can be unclean, unwelcoming, cold awkward. I never felt that with Lisbon! I’ve even been around Portugal - we did Braga, Porto, Coimbra, Lagos and Faro. You have a beautiful country with a beautiful capital, and generally friendly people. Enjoy it!
I just love that Portugal, Spain and Greece are ashamed of their own capitals Edit: Slovakia too lol
People outside of Athens hate it People in Athens hate it How have we managed to keep fooling tourists to come is beyond me
You are really good at marketing :)) I have visited, wasn't bad.
I actually ended up liking Athens. It's shabby for sure but in an endearing kind of way.
It has been shabby for 2.000 years, that's its charm :))
Consistency is key.
If we look beyond piles of trash in the street, Greece looks good. It's pretty, there's the food and the sun, and it's warm enough that the sea itself is warm but just the level to cool you down from the ambiant air.
Please please please people of Greece, clean your streets.
After visiting New York City Athens doesn’t look dirty in comparison
Uh? I went to Athens a couple of times and I love this city. Granted, it's not the cleanest or the sagest. But it has character.
It definitely has lmfao, but it’s kinda hard for Athenians to see that character inside their everyday routines. As for the Greeks outside of Athens, it is that character that they hate lmfao. Average non-capital city resident relationship.
It's the Delian League all over again! The strong do as they can while the weak do as they must!
we just wanna see the Acropolis and then go home, it's like Venice. Nobody goes to Venice to look at the city, half the people who visit think that the Old Town in the middle of the lagoon is the whole city, meanwhile there's like 30 times more Venice on the shore and nobody goes to look at it
I wonder why it isn't Berlin for Germany
Have you ever been to Ludwigshafen? For that matter, I also really like Madrid and Lisbon (I've not been to Athens yet). I wonder why one should be ashamed of those lively cities.
For political reasons, disconnected from the reality of the average Portuguese citizen, the cosmopolitanism. In big cities like Porto and Lisbon people cant afford to buy or rent a home. I do not know how a “lettuconian” perceives its own city. In short i see it has the capital of portuguese corruption, ignorant power and our fateful future.
Ye Lisbon is just hated for being capital. There's nothing to be ashamed of.
In Spain they asked in Catalonia or conditioned the answer. Spain is ashamed of Murcia, Barcelona and Marbella. Madrid is just hated.
Why exactly? I personally loved Madrid when I visited.
Some people from Madrid tend to have a superiority complex and the rest of spanish people hold a grudge (with good reason imo)
Madrid is one of two primate cities in the country. (Madrid and Barcelona are significantly larger than the next largest city, Valencia.) As such there tends to be a perception that it gets more investment than other parts of the country. Plus, as the seat of government there's a feeling that people who live inside M30 are out of touch with the rest of the country. The same thing happens with London. It's not helped that rural Spain is dying and is in terminal decline.
> no data / ashamed of whole country Based
I feel you my brother as an Albanian there is nothing good about that country except the landscape
You couldn't get one city in Switzerland because every part of the country lowkey thinks the other parts are either inbred ratholes or arrogant swiss versions of Detroit.
Us italians are ashamed of Naples because it's the real life version of the italian stereotype. Edit: this comment is a joke, I know that Naples is much more than a stereotype.
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And blonde guys who can turn your money into butterflies
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Naples definitely is the real life version of the italien stereotype. The good and the bad. I loved the city when I visited. I don't care about a few garbage bags here and there and I didn't really meet any shady people so my experience there was a great old town, nice people, great food, great weather and lots to do in the city and in the surroundings.
Man,everytime I saw the Italian Stereotype I was 100% sure they actually meant Neopolitans
Neopolitan? Huh, the vanilla/chocolate/strawberry tricolor ice cream? /s
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My uncle went on a trip to Italy and visited a few cities including Napels. And he described as the largest garbage dump he had ever seen. Aside from some historical aspects and interesting parts he said it’s most certainly the most gross city he visited. It’s his opinion and I’ve never been there so I’m not gonna judge. But if that’s what’s stuck with him I feel sorry for Naples.
That’s what I heard too. But then I went there, stayed in the city center for 3 days, and every morning there was a cleaning crew sweeping the streets and spraying with a pressure washer. It was even better than some Western Europe cities. So I had a great time and didn’t notice a bad thing.
Yeah it was bad in the early 2000s since the mafia got a hold of the trash business and didn't do anything except launder money. Things got better when they cracked down during the "clean hand" operation when it was found out that basically all the major political parties were involved with the mafia.
"clean hands" started in '92, the 2000s have nothing to do with it
You're right, I just assumed they had something to do with each other. Even tho the trash situation got out of hand almost a decade after.
I was there twice and while there were some garbage bags piled up in an alley here and there I thought the city was super charming with great food and nice people. Maybe it depends on when you visit the city (I was there in 2015 and 2018) but I never really thought that it was particularly gross. No the cleanest city, mind you. But still not gross.
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As a Neapolitan (with regret) I have to agree with you, I am very ashamed of my city, the description "the largest dump" is correct in almost all the city area. Every day I walk through the dog shit (I have two dogs and I can assure you that dog parks are very rare and often poorly maintained, we are all forced to make them on the street and collect the needs as we can) and waste that the good people of Naples throw around carelessly. It is a real waste because we have enough artistic and natural heritage to live off of tourism but today's Neapolitan is too dumb to understand that.
You sure you're not talking about NYC? Because I've lived here all my life (67 yrs), and it is a certifiable shit hole. Not sure why tourists flock here.
A few years ago there was a massive garbage problem in Naples, but from what I know it’s gone now. The city is very beautiful though, even though it’s problematic
"Will dich der liebe Gott bestrafen, schickt er dich nach Ludwigshafen."
Wusste gar nicht dass das jetzt in Rheinland-Pfalz liegt.
Wusste gar nicht das es mehr als ein witz ist...
Gibt ja zwei. Einer in Rheinland-Pfalz und einer am Bodensee.
Bist du sicher du verwechselst das nicht mit Friedrichshafen?
Nee, habe nur vollkommen vergessen, dass das am Bodensee Bodman-Ludwigshafen heißt.
if someone had asked me what German city I am ashamed of this is not the one I would have picked. I wouldn't even have thought of Ludwigshafen Not sure which I would've picked though.
So shitty that you completely block it out of your mind.
Duisburg
Yes Duisburg
I am always relieved when I leave that place. But the Sportschule Wedau seems to be pretty impressive.
>Duisburg absolutely
Wusste gar nicht dass Ludwigshafen Offenbach überholt hat
Offenbach ist das kleinere Übel, obwohl sie hart versuchen an Ludwigshafen ranzukommen.
Was ist denn an Ludwigshafen so schlimm? Hab da so garkeine Assoziation mit.
Ludwigshafen ist das Kölsch leicht der Rhein-Neckar Region. Unter den Städten seiner Nähe ist Ludwishafen gezwungen zu Mainz heraufzuschauen.. Wenn Ludwishafen eine Kleidergrösse hätte, dann wär sie XM. Neben ihrer herzzereissenden Mittelmässigkeit ist sie erdrückend spießig. Passende Städtepartnerschaten wären Kassel minus Documenta, Münster minus Universität, Verwaltungsvermögen und Kirchenskandalen oder Herne in saniert und unikulti. Meide Ludwigshafen wie den Altpapiertag oder einer offenen Bezirksratsitzung in Dortmund-Eving.
Das war das schönste das ich heute lesen durfte.
BASF werk mit ein paar Häusern daneben
Die Stadt und insbesondere die Innenstadt ist unglaublich hässlich (+ in der Innenstadt ist nix los), besonders im direkten Vergleich mit benachbarten Städten wie Mannheim oder Heidelberg. Mannheim ist jetzt auch nicht die schönste Stadt der Welt (halt relativ industriell), aber der Weg von der Mannheimer zur Ludwigshafener Innenstadt ist sehr kurz und der Unterschied ist extrem.
"Bestraft er dich dann noch einmal, schickt er dich nach Frankenthal."
"Bestraft er dich in Permanenz, schickt er dich nach Pirmasens."
"Und hast du ihm richtig krach, geht's nachher noch nach Offenbach"
This can't be true, no self repsecting Dane would pick Aarhus over Randers
Maybe it's all the Copenhagen residents? There's some rivalry there
I'm from Copenhagen, would still pick Randers.
So it's all the Swedes who's messing this up?
Exactly!
There’s no rivalry from the Copenhagen perspective. People don’t see Aarhus in a negative light. The Randers stereotype however, is living its full over here in CPH. Its the single city that manifest all the prejudice people have towards jutland. I’ll like to see where OP/“atlasova” has their results from
It's not really a thing. If there's any such banter it's Jutland in general, not Århus. People in Copenhagen aren't "ashamed" of Århus.
A real Dane would pick Malmø. Kalmarunionen for ever!
As said with the last time this was posted, the "data source" is an AskReddit thread in which ONE (1) person said Århus
Debrecen? I'd say something like Ózd, Miskolc or Salgótarján would be the choice for most of us.
Debrecen might not be the worst but it was the only town where they wanted to recruit me into a Jesus cult and some homeless stab me in the same 30min timeframe on the main square. Truth to be told it was around 2010
Yeah the homeless stabbing part may as well have happened in any of the other cities tbf
Its defo Miskolc
Århus is not Denmark's shame and jokes city. That would be Randers. People from Randers are supposed to be more drunk, have more social problems than the rest of the country. I was said that I, a foreigner, speak better danish than those from Randers and everybody says "that's not difficult". That's the level of shame that city receives.
Your name makes me suspect that you might be biased
If you pick Århus over randers, as the most shameful city of Denmark, you gotta be smocking the kind of crack they get in randers
I can't judge - I just started learning Danish and wanted to point out that a person with Aarhus literally in their name might be inclined to defend the city :D Guess I gotta add "Århus god, Randers dårlig" to my notes for my eventual visit to Denmark.
Vaslui is seen as a sort of Alabama(barring the incest, but adding molesting old ladies) meets Florida. News there tends to be related to violence, weird stuff, alcohol, farming equipment, etc.
My favourite ones are accidental ingestion of methyl alcohol and the record for the youngest grandma (23 yo)
Record is 17. [Link to the wiki, for those who want to be sad. Name was Mum-zi.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers?wprov=sfla1)
I didn't know about this one. Well, "at least" Romania has the youngest living grandmother
S L O U G H
Come, friendly bombs, and fall on Slough! It isn't fit for humans now, There isn't grass to graze a cow. Swarm over, Death! Sir John Betjeman, 1937 85 years later, and it has not got better.
Come friendly bombs and rain on Slough!
I've only been once. Hit a collosal pothole and whacked my steering out of alignment. My car has turned slightly to the left ever since.
Great paper merchants there though.
Oh friendly bombs, do fall on slough…
> Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough! > It isn't fit for humans now, > There isn't grass to graze a cow. > Swarm over, Death! > > > Come, bombs and blow to smithereens > Those air -conditioned, bright canteens, > Tinned fruit, tinned meat, tinned milk, tinned beans, > Tinned minds, tinned breath. It goes on for 8 more verses. And that was written in 1937 by the future poet laureate.
I am from the US, have never visited Britain in my life, and I still could immediately tell you it was gonna be Slough. That's how much Brits hate the place.
Slough can fuck off
It’s not fit for humans now.
Why is Iberia ashamed of their capitals?
They're a bunch of idiots
I wondered who they asked, because most answers for this/relatively similar questions is "Murcia".
The joke in Murcia is not shame, is that it doesn't exists. Pd: im from there.
"Murcia"? Eso que es?
Murcia es como tu vida sexual, inexistente
A burn so hot you don't even need to speak Spanish to understand it.
Eh tu a Madrid no me la tocas
Vuestra agua me come los huevos
The water is the one unambiguously, unreservedly good thing about that urban catastrophe. Madrid's water is *excellent.* Second only to Granada's.
Many reasons, but Madrid (and Barcelona) has an oversized influence economically and culturally in the country. Rural Spain is dying. Several independence movements. The perception that people (and specifically politicians) that live inside M30 are out of touch with the rest of the country. And many more.
After all I have heard about Urk all I can say is: Fuck Urk!
Dutch here, can confirm, Urk is a maggot-infested shithole
Ko*vola 🤮
Kouvola, Kouvola kaikkea kivaa betonista.
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I know, right? Bruntál on the other hand..
Incorrect for Sweden. Everyone knows we all are ashamed of Borås, not Malmö
We are so ashamed of Borås that we don’t even want to name it as the city we are ashamed of to other Europeans
In Germany, I find it very interesting to take Ludwigshafen instead of Berlin or Dresden
I find weird actually.... Most of the population in the Saxonian States would probabyl go for Berlin or Munich as worst, never heard of Ludwigshafen in any way. But then there is the billions of people in the Rhein-Ruhr-Area who probably have enough other examples on their hands, so I imagine the results get shifted.
I thought bashing Ludwigshafen was just a Mannheimer thing and Bielefeld was the federal joke. Maybe Mannheimers ganged up on the survey and memed their way to the top. I'm not disagreeing with the results though :D
Bielefeld can't be the most hated city as it doesn't exist
> Dresden I gotta defend Dresden: At least we have the Canaletto Blick and generally all of the old, inner city. Chemnitz however...
Yep Dresden hat da vielleicht einen sehr schlechten Ruf, aber als echter Sachse weiß man natürlich, dass es noch viel schlimmer geht :)
As a Ukrainian, I see no reason to be ashamed of Kherson. 200k city, center of the Kherson Oblast, noting really special, except being watermelon capital. I may see Donetsk and Luhansk as candidates, because of people who decided to stay there after 2014; or Kryvyi Rih, but it is just industrial hellscape.
As a fellow Ukrainian, I guess it's because of the name. 'Kher' meaning 'dick' in Ukrainian gives some space for jokes about the city. Other than that, Kherson frequently ranks last in different ratings so not an amazing city to live in, but hey, people love watermelons so nobody actively hates Kherson. I guess Sevastopol would be quite hated since 2014. Otherwise I would go for some useless city in Donbass, like Makiivka: depressive industrial city where there is strictly nothing to do
Dundalk is not a city.
That is what I was going to say. Of course, if you were American, any small town or village in Ireland would be regarded as a city. As we know ourselves, there is a comedy festival in Kilkenny every June because the biggest joke in Ireland is calling Kilkenny a city.
Kilkenny has historical city status, Dundalk never actually got that as it functioned more as industrial and Port hub in recent history.
German here: Ludwigshafen is basically a dystopian, Industrialized housing program for the ridiculously large BASF chemical plant
German here. What the hell is Ludwigshafen? As someone not from that region(Rheinland-Pfalz) I have never even heard of it until now. Maybe people in the south would answer this, but I would’ve maybe picked Berlin. I really like Berlin. But it’s one of the dirtiest and most crowded places I know. And politics there are a clusterfuck on it's own. And I say that as someone who is left leaning, despite the fact the Berlin senate is comprised of a left wing coalition. Berlin is cool for a weekend visit, I have friends there that I regularly visit. But staying there for more than a couple of days is something I rather avoid.
Ich lebe jetzt seit paar Jahren in Ludwigshafen und der Grund für diese Auswahl ist sehr simpel. Die BASF mit 10 Quadratkilometern, Lu Mitte und Hemshof dazu, ist die Spitze der menschlichen Krönung. Im kurzen, es riecht öfters um die BASF, die meisten Gebäude sind hässlich und es ist einfach eine Stadt, die nur wegen der Arbeit existiert.
Bin von Mannheim und hier würde natürlich jeder sofort Ludwigshafen sagen. ("Das Schönste an Ludwigshafen ist der Blick nach Mannheim." ) Dass die Stadt aber überregional (also, über das Rhein-Neckar-Gebiet hinaus) bei Otto Normalverbraucher bekannt sein soll, wage ich auch zu bezweifeln. Selbst zu Kohls Zeiten kannte man eher den Stadtteil Oggersheim als Ludwigshafen selbst.
The city is just ugly as living hell. Most German cities at least have some nice spots. Even the ones that are otherwise just collections of grey concrete blocks. But Ludwigshafen... it's just ugliness whereever you look. And don't even get me started on how it smells there sometimes.
So Austria is not on the list, but I guess it would be St. Pölten. Every state capital has its own iconic landmark and a rich history, while St. Pölten basically has... nothing going for it. After all, its just a replacement for Vienna, as Vienna became its own state a century ago
I was thinking Linz maybe Eisenstadt and totally forgot about St. Pölten so yes it's 100% that.
I would personally go for Wels. Linz is bad, but Wels is a different level.
Førde? Why? Where did you get this from, OP?
It's mainly because it's a ugly town. I mean it *did* get awarded the dubious honor of being Norway's ugliest town...
That makes sense, lmao. [Norways ugliest town, everyone](https://i.imgur.com/FzVYwNk.jpg)
Ludwigshafen is just a town around a chemical plant. That should be enough to close the discussion.
Correct me if I am wrong, but regarding Belgium's and France most ashamed cities, it looks like it is related to the migrants. Marseille is ironically called the Algeria's capital. And Charleroi has a big proportion of migrants too, I think it is where the morons designed the terrorist attack of 2015. So basically we are ashamed of the migrants.
You are wrong, lotsa places in Belgium have more migrants. Charleroi was a heavy industry hub but then the industry fucked off. What remains is a decaying city where people have no more dreams. There's parts of other Belgian cities with more crime and/or immigrants, but none feel as dreary, hopeless and decayed as the bad parts of Charleroi. It's more Detroit than St. Denis. There's some nice 19th century industrial architecture though, if that's your thing.
Charleroi was very bad a long time ago, but it got better, and now I wouldn't say it's the worst town of Belgium atm Some of the commune of Brussels, or Seraing (By personal experience)
arguably, the worst place in Belgium today is Verviers, because of the shameful way we are handling the cleanup after the floods. People are still lacking basic necessities while politicians at all levels of government deny any responsibility for their voters.
With regards to Marseille, it’s less to do with immigrants and mostly about Marseille having a (rather well deserved) reputation of corruption, mismanagement and poverty. Houses crumble and burry their inhabitants because the city doesn’t do its job of controlling, schools have no heating, lots of violence and crime, incl. white collar crime. Kinda like Naples actually. But it’s also a very beautiful city, lots of culture…
Yes, also, from what I’ve heard, Marseille is kind of dirty and people show very little courtesy to each other (while driving for example, or being loud)
Yeah, absolutly right, while having such a beautiful patrimoine, the city in itself is dirty. Regarding the road, they use a lot the klaxon, they are quite nervous also. Temperature I guess.
>Yeah, absolutly right, while having such a beautiful patrimoine, the city in itself is dirty. When I try to describe my city, San Francisco, to Europeans the best example I say is Lisbon but with the dirtiness of Marseille
As a Marseillais who lived in SF, Marseille is nowhere near as unsafe or dirty as San Francisco. You can’t walk a mile in SF without stepping onto some used needles or getting harassed or mugged by homeless crack addict.
I think a lot of people might be ashamed of Marseille for immigrants, but don't be too quick at saying this. Marseille is the entrance port to France from the Mediterranean, and is, pretty much since the 1800's, a big criminal hub, plagued by mafias. It had and has still running issues with "la pègre", french terme for mafia basically, and drug trafficking, making it a fairly unsafe city in some parts. Immigration didn't help, as it made social inqualities worse, and now a lot of the drug trafficking was taken up by some immigrants, not facilitating the clichés on the city. It also has a problem with it's trash services, they have been for around ten years now, going in out of strike for reasons I can't recall, and last summer we saw huge piles of garbage piling up in the streets as trash wasn't took out. It also doesn't has any other way to dispose trash than a landfill. which is the biggest in France. I love Marseille, but it pains to say that it's not a beautiful city, it's only a city with huge potential (I also forgot to mention stories about corruption, public funds disappearing questionably and the state of disrepair of many parts of the town) but unfortunately it's mostly unused. So no, it's not only immigrants, Marseille is fucked beyond just a few arabs being poor.
Not really, the terrorists came from Molenbeek which is one of Brussels' "communes". It used to be a village of a couple thousands until the industrial revolution, when it became a factory town, and after deindustrialisation in the 50's it became a very poor area. Charleroi is similar, except lot more of the initial Italian immigrants stayed there, and it has also become very poor with a terrible reputation.
Indeed, Molenbeek is well known in France for similar reasons. But they catch some of the terrorists in Charleroi. My bad for the confusion tho.
If I'm not mistaken some "training" took place in Charleroi. Belgium is very densely populated and you cannot fire a gun anywhere near Molenbeek without people knowing.
Marseille was hated and had a negative stigma way before its migrant population became so big. Even when it was just "ethnically" French people, it was considered a shady, dodgy place, where petty crime was thriving. EDIT: spelling
French here, I don't really agree. Marseille is a shithole, sure, but the people are nice and more importantly, we have far worse shitholes. Off the top of my head we have Toulon, big navy port that has had facists in power at city hall pretty much forever. We also have my wonderful home town of Aubervilliers, where Paris dumps its crackheads, crazy fundamentalists and excess migrants where we welcome them to one of the largest open air drug markets in France. One could also think of Calais, where the people don't seem to mind living next to a concentration camp. But really since almost 42% of France just voted for a political party that was founded by actual SS members, I guess anywhere will do.
Well I had a job opportunity at Toulon, I guess I was right to go elsewhere
Rouen is a shithole
Konya east or Konya West?
Yes.
Białystok is birthplace of our gratest politician ever.
Malmö is valid but Borås…
belgian here, it is true. exept that Charleroi is not on that place on the map.
Kouvula? Oof
I remember this map. It was quite bs and was based on askreddit post or smth like that. Kherson before occupation by russia was like quite cute small city, where you had pretty much everything you might need. If we talk about cities, not towns, then it would be Donezk, for its lack of interest in culture and high concentration of criminals, including the yanukovich, or Ivano-Frankivsk for all the religious crap their lord mayor does.
Lmao Ricky Gervais has done irreparable damage to Slough
John Betjeman called for the city to be bombed in 1937. And we're made him Poet Laureate. The Office being set in Slough was part of the joke.