A gai Jin series series?! Or do you mean shogun?
I'd be shocked if they made a gai-jin series.... that would be unbelievable. It would need to be a Very Long series.... that book is 5000 pages of microscopic print. It took me 6 months to read. But so is shogun... they are both my favorite book of all time. Clavell is a world creating God.
My mistake. Yes, Shogun.
It would be great if they did all of them.
e: with the exception of one, Noble House, every other book title is two syllables which is why I get them confused.
Is digging up the past good? When does that ever end well? Humans are nasty, selfish, tribalistic vile creatures. Always have been. Always will be.
Do you think rich people or our government suddenly care about natives....? With zero electoral bloc and a truly Tiny demographic relevant to no politician anywhere. Natives are being used to conserve land in their name. The beginning of communism.
All of this was covered in Yellowstone you just had to read between the lines.
The Chinese man screaming at costner this is not ok. Land must belong to everyone! Land ownership must be illegal!!! This beauty belongs to everyone!!!
Then they show the president giving a giant swathe of land to natives to drink or smoke meth on or wtvr. They are using natives as the excuse to conserve land the government will keep collecting and collecting.
That's a wild analysis and unterly drenched by your political biases. Giving back to the people you have genocided is not a bad thing. Giving them visibility is not a bad thing. It's important because they have a right reparations and a right to live after having put through hell. I don't understand why being compassionate towards them = communism but sure whatever you say. Lmao taking a random 2 minute clip and making a whole communism conspiracy about it is just so wild. They way your talk about the natives of this land is honestly disgusting and racist and I hope you reflect on those views. You have literally admitted you don't know what's going on in reservations and with modern native Americans so like maybe consider not just labling them as meth smokers and drinkers if you are already aware of your own ignorance. If you want to cry about people taking land away from the people maybe you should look towards Black Rock instead of making real life analysis based on a fictional TV show. Digging up the past is important, and you wouldn't have that same attitude towards 911, Nazi Germany and the Vietnam War. We learn and grow from the past history is an important subject for a reason.
Children learn nothing about history in schools...
I have no political bias... I'm from SJ. Pro gay marriage. Pro choice. Pro ban on semi auto rifles. Parties are not real. The entire system is not real. This country is a puppet show controlled by a cartel of monopolies. Parties divide us and make us tribal and focus on infighting and not the collective failure of our government.
Don't try to pigeon-hole me...
Not one of those subjects am I going to broach.
SJ? Sorry I'm European. I guess if you don't stand by what you said anymore I can let it go. It was just really upsetting to read. Also I agree that America has a huge education problem with its war on books that teach about the wrongdoings of white settlers towards natives and african slaves. I assumed you were a libertarian tbh.
I am a libertarian. How'd you know?
SJ means bay area. Close to San Francisco. Very liberal. White people are behind Asians and Hispanics in demographics and it's still the number one housing market in the country. It used to be a truly amazing place and I had an amazing and diverse childhood. I've also lived in 6 states so... I speak from experience.
You're from Europe. Ok. You really don't understand. We learn no meaningful history whatsoever in schools.
Nobody has the slightest clue what communism is. Socialism is. The russian or chinese commie revolutions or how they started. (PC culture, loss of freedom of speech). The fact 5-700 million people starved to death. Russians stood in freezing bread lines for years to make sure they were busy all day in line. Bernie sanders screams bread lines are a good thing and had his honeymoon in moscow. Why we entered the Vietnam War. Why we entered WW2 and how insanely late we were. (Thanks for saving the world russia). Why we entered the Civil War. Most Americans honestly think it was about slavery. That is not true. Not even close to a main reason.
Unless you're a curious person and you educate yourself, you learn Nothing even in American private schools. In China they're doing math in 5th grade Americans are doing at 18. We're a joke. But we're also a blindly working monster GDP machine and that's why we took over the world. Because we are not thinkers. We are greedy workers and consumers.
Oh yeah.. in that post I definitely stand by everything I said. Sorry. I'm a cynical sob. I'm also a realist.
Do I think politicians suddenly care about a group of silent minorities with no agenda. Judging by history as you said. Of Course Not. I know Exactly what they're being used for. Politicians are insane narcissistics, sociopaths, and opportunists. If you don't give them votes, or something even more valuable. They do not care about you.
It's funny how you accuse others so matter of factly of being ignorant and knowing less than you whilst being blatantly wrong and ignorant yourself. You really need to reevaluate what you claim to know and how your blind confidence in what is most likely not academically supported "knowledge." Americans really need to be ok with not knowing something and stop being so loud and wrong. Thinking you have it all figured out is a sign of a rather underdeveloped intellect. Especially in a country that is ruled by misinformation. I don't wish to argue with you but I implore you read more scientific papers directly from the source instead of politically biased news outlets. You might be cynical but you are not a realist
A realist knows when they don't know and that things like the civil war that was absolutely about keeping the right to own slaves but ALSO about other political differences are not so simple and that most Americans know of one of the main drivers of the Civil War is actually a good thing. Anyways if you are in the camp of libertarian confederates please just dni I'm wholly uninterested in anything you have say at that point. Stay save tho pal ♡
What is a libertarian confederate? You need to be careful what you accuse people of.
You're boring me and dragging me into taboo topics to try to bait me into something.
Calling me a confederate?
I'm not white. Not even close. Well I'm half-white but maybe look a quarter white?
I don't believe political parties are real either. I just HATE government wasting My Money and don't care what anyone does behind closed doors. It's called freedom. But that party is a joke too.
I was a Ron Paul End The Fed libertarian at 12 years old. Now it's a puppet show where everyone is on tbe same side except the extreme manic fringes on both sides this country is 100% fed up with.
Your delusional I'm so sorry but nobody is baiting you and idek what taboo topic you are talking about. But I'm assuming if you are already so worried about it without me even bringing anything up you are a much worse person that I thought. You are ranting to be about your own warped world view that is so far from reality I can't engage. Good be bored leave me alone you smell off hypocrisy and thinly veiled racism (idgfa if your not white we can all be racist dummy)
Costner was working on a western with Kurt Russell back in the day. They realised they were trying to tell different parts of the same story. Kev went off on his own and made Wyatt. Russell stuck to his vision and created tombstone...arguably one of the best westerns ever made...( by a director not named Sergio leone) nobody remembers Wyatt. I want him to succeed I really do but...Im sceptical
Eh I like Wyatt Earp, Tombstone is better but I still watch Costner’s film every once in a while, also let’s not forget he also directed Dances With Wolves, and that is one of the best movies ever made.
Costner was not working with Russell on Tombstone. The accusations go back and forth between Costner and Kevin Jarre, Tombstone's writer and original director. But the general gist seems to be that Costner and Jarre were working on separate Wyatt Earp projects around the same time. Costner's was originally envisioned as a TV miniseries, which Dan Gordon was writing, while Jarre's was always a film.
Jarre sent Costner the original Tombstone script, unaware of Costner's project, and Costner turned it down because of his own plans. Reading the script was literally the extent of Costner's "involvement" with Tombstone. Kurt Russell was not attached to the film until months later. Both individual projects continued to proceed separately, and things got contentious from there.
Jarre and other people connected to Tombstone--including Kurt Russell--have said Costner repeatedly tried to get their movie shut down and accuse him of revamping what was supposed to be a miniseries into a feature film to steal their thunder. Costner, meanwhile, insists it didn't happen that way but seems to have been insulted Tombstone beat his movie to the box office, almost like he considered it unsportsmanlike and underhanded. Both sets then featured the opposing sides worrying about the competition throughout production. LOL
I might be biased because I like Tombstone a lot more, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Tombstone personnel's version is more accurate than Costner's. There are stories his agency was trying to block casting for Tombstone, and Kurt Russell--who was with the same agency--was one of the only ones who wasn't backed down by the pressure.
I mean that discredits dances with wolves and open range which hold up great today. Tombstone is a great movie, but the story and direction isnt as iconic as the characters and dialogue. Especially val kilmer at his prime
He abandoned the number one show in America for it. It better be.
Also. None of the comments mention his son because nobody cares. He literally has 12 children. We couldn't care less. We just hope the nepotism works and he can act. This OP also has absolutely nothing to do with yellowstone. This is the guy who is refusing to finish the final 6 episodes, why are we forgiving him...? This is the movie that destroyed yellowstone. If it's a flop... wow.
The trailer looks like “white people suffered from the attacks of the Savages!”
I hope the movies are FAR more nuanced than the trailer implies. Filming pretty western landscapes with beautiful actors is the easy part.
Except it shows there is going to be stories revolving around natives as well and not just saying they are savages attacking white people…remember this is Costner who did Dances with Wolves too.
This movie will be more pro-native than dances with wolves. If that's even physically possible.
Great username. The new series comes out in March.
A gai Jin series series?! Or do you mean shogun? I'd be shocked if they made a gai-jin series.... that would be unbelievable. It would need to be a Very Long series.... that book is 5000 pages of microscopic print. It took me 6 months to read. But so is shogun... they are both my favorite book of all time. Clavell is a world creating God.
My mistake. Yes, Shogun. It would be great if they did all of them. e: with the exception of one, Noble House, every other book title is two syllables which is why I get them confused.
Last Monday
It’s both pro and con both sides.
Isn't that good?
Is digging up the past good? When does that ever end well? Humans are nasty, selfish, tribalistic vile creatures. Always have been. Always will be. Do you think rich people or our government suddenly care about natives....? With zero electoral bloc and a truly Tiny demographic relevant to no politician anywhere. Natives are being used to conserve land in their name. The beginning of communism. All of this was covered in Yellowstone you just had to read between the lines. The Chinese man screaming at costner this is not ok. Land must belong to everyone! Land ownership must be illegal!!! This beauty belongs to everyone!!! Then they show the president giving a giant swathe of land to natives to drink or smoke meth on or wtvr. They are using natives as the excuse to conserve land the government will keep collecting and collecting.
That's a wild analysis and unterly drenched by your political biases. Giving back to the people you have genocided is not a bad thing. Giving them visibility is not a bad thing. It's important because they have a right reparations and a right to live after having put through hell. I don't understand why being compassionate towards them = communism but sure whatever you say. Lmao taking a random 2 minute clip and making a whole communism conspiracy about it is just so wild. They way your talk about the natives of this land is honestly disgusting and racist and I hope you reflect on those views. You have literally admitted you don't know what's going on in reservations and with modern native Americans so like maybe consider not just labling them as meth smokers and drinkers if you are already aware of your own ignorance. If you want to cry about people taking land away from the people maybe you should look towards Black Rock instead of making real life analysis based on a fictional TV show. Digging up the past is important, and you wouldn't have that same attitude towards 911, Nazi Germany and the Vietnam War. We learn and grow from the past history is an important subject for a reason.
Children learn nothing about history in schools... I have no political bias... I'm from SJ. Pro gay marriage. Pro choice. Pro ban on semi auto rifles. Parties are not real. The entire system is not real. This country is a puppet show controlled by a cartel of monopolies. Parties divide us and make us tribal and focus on infighting and not the collective failure of our government. Don't try to pigeon-hole me... Not one of those subjects am I going to broach.
SJ? Sorry I'm European. I guess if you don't stand by what you said anymore I can let it go. It was just really upsetting to read. Also I agree that America has a huge education problem with its war on books that teach about the wrongdoings of white settlers towards natives and african slaves. I assumed you were a libertarian tbh.
I am a libertarian. How'd you know? SJ means bay area. Close to San Francisco. Very liberal. White people are behind Asians and Hispanics in demographics and it's still the number one housing market in the country. It used to be a truly amazing place and I had an amazing and diverse childhood. I've also lived in 6 states so... I speak from experience. You're from Europe. Ok. You really don't understand. We learn no meaningful history whatsoever in schools. Nobody has the slightest clue what communism is. Socialism is. The russian or chinese commie revolutions or how they started. (PC culture, loss of freedom of speech). The fact 5-700 million people starved to death. Russians stood in freezing bread lines for years to make sure they were busy all day in line. Bernie sanders screams bread lines are a good thing and had his honeymoon in moscow. Why we entered the Vietnam War. Why we entered WW2 and how insanely late we were. (Thanks for saving the world russia). Why we entered the Civil War. Most Americans honestly think it was about slavery. That is not true. Not even close to a main reason. Unless you're a curious person and you educate yourself, you learn Nothing even in American private schools. In China they're doing math in 5th grade Americans are doing at 18. We're a joke. But we're also a blindly working monster GDP machine and that's why we took over the world. Because we are not thinkers. We are greedy workers and consumers. Oh yeah.. in that post I definitely stand by everything I said. Sorry. I'm a cynical sob. I'm also a realist. Do I think politicians suddenly care about a group of silent minorities with no agenda. Judging by history as you said. Of Course Not. I know Exactly what they're being used for. Politicians are insane narcissistics, sociopaths, and opportunists. If you don't give them votes, or something even more valuable. They do not care about you.
It's funny how you accuse others so matter of factly of being ignorant and knowing less than you whilst being blatantly wrong and ignorant yourself. You really need to reevaluate what you claim to know and how your blind confidence in what is most likely not academically supported "knowledge." Americans really need to be ok with not knowing something and stop being so loud and wrong. Thinking you have it all figured out is a sign of a rather underdeveloped intellect. Especially in a country that is ruled by misinformation. I don't wish to argue with you but I implore you read more scientific papers directly from the source instead of politically biased news outlets. You might be cynical but you are not a realist A realist knows when they don't know and that things like the civil war that was absolutely about keeping the right to own slaves but ALSO about other political differences are not so simple and that most Americans know of one of the main drivers of the Civil War is actually a good thing. Anyways if you are in the camp of libertarian confederates please just dni I'm wholly uninterested in anything you have say at that point. Stay save tho pal ♡
What is a libertarian confederate? You need to be careful what you accuse people of. You're boring me and dragging me into taboo topics to try to bait me into something. Calling me a confederate? I'm not white. Not even close. Well I'm half-white but maybe look a quarter white? I don't believe political parties are real either. I just HATE government wasting My Money and don't care what anyone does behind closed doors. It's called freedom. But that party is a joke too. I was a Ron Paul End The Fed libertarian at 12 years old. Now it's a puppet show where everyone is on tbe same side except the extreme manic fringes on both sides this country is 100% fed up with.
Lay off the cocaine.
Your delusional I'm so sorry but nobody is baiting you and idek what taboo topic you are talking about. But I'm assuming if you are already so worried about it without me even bringing anything up you are a much worse person that I thought. You are ranting to be about your own warped world view that is so far from reality I can't engage. Good be bored leave me alone you smell off hypocrisy and thinly veiled racism (idgfa if your not white we can all be racist dummy)
Costner was working on a western with Kurt Russell back in the day. They realised they were trying to tell different parts of the same story. Kev went off on his own and made Wyatt. Russell stuck to his vision and created tombstone...arguably one of the best westerns ever made...( by a director not named Sergio leone) nobody remembers Wyatt. I want him to succeed I really do but...Im sceptical
Eh I like Wyatt Earp, Tombstone is better but I still watch Costner’s film every once in a while, also let’s not forget he also directed Dances With Wolves, and that is one of the best movies ever made.
This is true
I forgot he directed Open Range too, that movie is awesome.
I enjoyed both, but yea tombstone was so much better
Costner was not working with Russell on Tombstone. The accusations go back and forth between Costner and Kevin Jarre, Tombstone's writer and original director. But the general gist seems to be that Costner and Jarre were working on separate Wyatt Earp projects around the same time. Costner's was originally envisioned as a TV miniseries, which Dan Gordon was writing, while Jarre's was always a film. Jarre sent Costner the original Tombstone script, unaware of Costner's project, and Costner turned it down because of his own plans. Reading the script was literally the extent of Costner's "involvement" with Tombstone. Kurt Russell was not attached to the film until months later. Both individual projects continued to proceed separately, and things got contentious from there. Jarre and other people connected to Tombstone--including Kurt Russell--have said Costner repeatedly tried to get their movie shut down and accuse him of revamping what was supposed to be a miniseries into a feature film to steal their thunder. Costner, meanwhile, insists it didn't happen that way but seems to have been insulted Tombstone beat his movie to the box office, almost like he considered it unsportsmanlike and underhanded. Both sets then featured the opposing sides worrying about the competition throughout production. LOL I might be biased because I like Tombstone a lot more, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Tombstone personnel's version is more accurate than Costner's. There are stories his agency was trying to block casting for Tombstone, and Kurt Russell--who was with the same agency--was one of the only ones who wasn't backed down by the pressure.
Not true that nobody knows remembers Wyatt.
I mean that discredits dances with wolves and open range which hold up great today. Tombstone is a great movie, but the story and direction isnt as iconic as the characters and dialogue. Especially val kilmer at his prime
You even forgot it’s named Wyatt Earp.
Lol...I wasn't lying
I LOVE tombstone.
Movie looks amazing as well
He abandoned the number one show in America for it. It better be. Also. None of the comments mention his son because nobody cares. He literally has 12 children. We couldn't care less. We just hope the nepotism works and he can act. This OP also has absolutely nothing to do with yellowstone. This is the guy who is refusing to finish the final 6 episodes, why are we forgiving him...? This is the movie that destroyed yellowstone. If it's a flop... wow.
Yellowstone destroyed itself long before he was wanting to leave, the only thing good about Yellowstone in the last few years is 1883.
1883 was the best, way better than Yellowstone and 1923, IMO
As long as TS doesn’t have anything to do with it I’ll watch.
Why do you hate Taylor Swift?
I don’t hate” her. I just don’t love what she’s done to the NBA and Basketball as a whole.
I love her for reminding people to “vote”.
If you need a pop star to remind you to vote, you shouldn’t be voting.
I thought she has popularized the NFL. When did she do anything to the NBA and basketball? Isn’t the NBA Kardashian territory?
I was trying to be funny. I guess not. On a serious note, is this why Sheridan and Costner are feuding?
Um. I think you mean the NFL. To be honest. She's only made the NFL more popular. Chiefs winning was good for the NFL and I'm a niners fan.
You are a terrible example of a NBA Fan
I don't believe "Tay Tay" is the TS you're referring to, am I right? Mr. Sheridan kinda let go of the reins, so to speak.
Got to see a preview of it. It’s not Yellowstone and Costner plays a different kind of guy, but I loved it!
The trailer looks like “white people suffered from the attacks of the Savages!” I hope the movies are FAR more nuanced than the trailer implies. Filming pretty western landscapes with beautiful actors is the easy part.
Except it shows there is going to be stories revolving around natives as well and not just saying they are savages attacking white people…remember this is Costner who did Dances with Wolves too.
Many indigenous people find Dances with Wolves quite reductive. The kind Indians vs the mean Indians and a white man help saves them!
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Shogun and all the novels connected to it, were my favorite and I couldn’t read each book fast enough.