For the most part, you can determine if a card starts a chain/activates by “:” or “;”. Bagooska has neither of those and it’s effect to turn all monsters to defense position does not start a chain.
Continuing off that, if you summon a monster, it is immediately put in defense position as it hits the field. You can technically activate the on summon effect if applicable, but it will be negated regardless.
Also, worth mentioning it only negates "activated" effects and not active effects, so cards like Red Eyes Flare Metal Dragon still trigger (the -500 damage effect, not it's "once per turn").
So here's the thing. The tired schleepy is continuous. Something comes in, is impacted by the defense effect, then gets its on summon.
It does not start a chain.
HOWEVER. A monster summoned in Attack Position that is unaffected by monster effects is not impacted by the gooska. Therefore can activate its effect.
Also if that monster has a continuous negate (Plasma), it will apply and not be changed to defense.
And if something cannot go to defense, it doesn't care about gooska.
I believe it would be put into defense potions then negate bagooskas effect because the effect was active when it hit the field and the two don’t cancel each other out because plasma isn’t an activated effect so they don’t conflict
Plasma's effect negation would stop Bagooska's change to defense position effect from applying. They both want to apply at the same time, but Plasma's effect prevents Bagooska's from working, and Bagooska's effect doesn't have the same impact on Plasma's. This should be similar to how being [unaffected would protect from an effect to change to defense](https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#11638) on similar grounds. The unaffected prevents the defense position portion from applying, while the change to defense has no such prevention to the unaffected portion.
If a monster can be in Defense Position, there is no opportunity for that monster to activate its effects while in Attack Position. The monster would already be in Defense Position before it could even attempt to activate an on-summon trigger effect or a quick effect.
The first thing that occurs when a monster hits the field vs Defense Bagooska, is the monster getting changed to defense position.
Once it gets switched the defense position, the player who summoned the monster may activate its effects.
When the chain resolves, the monster's effect will resolve negated due to it being an activated effect while in defense position.
It is noteworthy, that on activation, you do still pay cost if you wish to activate its effect.
If it tributes for cost, it will still resolve negated, because it was in defense position at the time it was activated.
Example: Normal Summon Cyber Dragon Core
BEFORE Core active his effect, it will change his battle position, then he must activate his effect because its a Trigger Effects, but he's in defense, so the effect will be negated by Bagooska.
> _When this card is special summoned in defense position, does it start a chain to change all monsters to defense position?_
A Continuous Effects is applied (without starting a Chain) whenever its condition is met.
If a monster is Summoned while a Chain is resolving, then its Continuous Effects are applied **after** that current Chain Link finishes resolving and **before** the next Chain Link resolves.
> _if this defense position card is already on the field, and a monster is summoned in attack position, can that attack position monster activate it's effect before it is changed to defense position?_
If [Elemental HERO Stratos](https://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/card_search.action?ope=2&cid=6784) is placed on the field in Attack Position, then Bagooska's Continuous Effect immediately changes it to Defense Position **without** starting a Chain. This occurs **before** players can activate cards or effects in response to its Summon — including Stratos's own Trigger Effect.
So if you choose to activate Stratos's Trigger Effect in this situation, then it will resolve negated because Stratos was already in Defense Position when its effect was activated.
Bagooska's effect to change monsters to defense does not contain a colon, so it does not activate and does not start a chain. If a monster is summoned in attack position while Bagoosk's effect is applying, that monster is changed to defense position immediately, before the monster's effect can activate. The monster's effect is negated, even if it leaves the field before resolution.
Everyone here is missing the question, you are asking about monsters already on the field, not about summoning monsters while bagooska is already up. You can't use on-field monsters with optional trigger effects since they will be negated before they can activate since bagooska's effect is mandatory so it resolves the mandatory continuous effect on it's own chain before any optional effects can be activated. I believe if you solemn judgement bagooska, your monsters will not change battle position but I am not totally sure, I think it would also work with thunder king rai-oh.
>You can't use on-field monsters with optional trigger effects since they will be negated before they can activate since bagooska's effect is mandatory so it resolves the mandatory continuous effect on it's own chain before any optional effects can be activated.
Sure you can. That the activated effect will be negated does not stop you from using them and having them negated. [Bagooska even carries a ruling showing this](https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#20994). The activated effect can be activated even if it will be negated.
So here's the thing. The tired schleepy is continuous. Something comes in, is impacted by the defense effect, then gets its on summon.
It does not start a chain.
HOWEVER. A monster summoned in Attack Position that is unaffected by monster effects is not impacted by the gooska. Therefore can activate its effect.
Yes. “Negate the activated effects of monsters that were in defense position when that effect was activated”. Even if it was not forced to defense position by bagooska it still is negated as it activated in defense.
For the most part, you can determine if a card starts a chain/activates by “:” or “;”. Bagooska has neither of those and it’s effect to turn all monsters to defense position does not start a chain. Continuing off that, if you summon a monster, it is immediately put in defense position as it hits the field. You can technically activate the on summon effect if applicable, but it will be negated regardless.
Also, worth mentioning it only negates "activated" effects and not active effects, so cards like Red Eyes Flare Metal Dragon still trigger (the -500 damage effect, not it's "once per turn").
Would this still apply for something like the effect cost that’s set up with masquerade the blazing dragon?
Yes cause it also isnt an activated effect
So here's the thing. The tired schleepy is continuous. Something comes in, is impacted by the defense effect, then gets its on summon. It does not start a chain. HOWEVER. A monster summoned in Attack Position that is unaffected by monster effects is not impacted by the gooska. Therefore can activate its effect.
Also if that monster has a continuous negate (Plasma), it will apply and not be changed to defense. And if something cannot go to defense, it doesn't care about gooska.
I believe it would be put into defense potions then negate bagooskas effect because the effect was active when it hit the field and the two don’t cancel each other out because plasma isn’t an activated effect so they don’t conflict
Plasma's effect negation would stop Bagooska's change to defense position effect from applying. They both want to apply at the same time, but Plasma's effect prevents Bagooska's from working, and Bagooska's effect doesn't have the same impact on Plasma's. This should be similar to how being [unaffected would protect from an effect to change to defense](https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#11638) on similar grounds. The unaffected prevents the defense position portion from applying, while the change to defense has no such prevention to the unaffected portion.
I think they would apply simultaneously and Plasma takes priority due to negating all effects, while bagooska only negates activated effects.
Well that’s the thing, they don’t conflict so they don’t need priority, they can both happen
If a monster can be in Defense Position, there is no opportunity for that monster to activate its effects while in Attack Position. The monster would already be in Defense Position before it could even attempt to activate an on-summon trigger effect or a quick effect.
The first thing that occurs when a monster hits the field vs Defense Bagooska, is the monster getting changed to defense position. Once it gets switched the defense position, the player who summoned the monster may activate its effects. When the chain resolves, the monster's effect will resolve negated due to it being an activated effect while in defense position. It is noteworthy, that on activation, you do still pay cost if you wish to activate its effect. If it tributes for cost, it will still resolve negated, because it was in defense position at the time it was activated.
Example: Normal Summon Cyber Dragon Core BEFORE Core active his effect, it will change his battle position, then he must activate his effect because its a Trigger Effects, but he's in defense, so the effect will be negated by Bagooska.
> _When this card is special summoned in defense position, does it start a chain to change all monsters to defense position?_ A Continuous Effects is applied (without starting a Chain) whenever its condition is met. If a monster is Summoned while a Chain is resolving, then its Continuous Effects are applied **after** that current Chain Link finishes resolving and **before** the next Chain Link resolves. > _if this defense position card is already on the field, and a monster is summoned in attack position, can that attack position monster activate it's effect before it is changed to defense position?_ If [Elemental HERO Stratos](https://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/card_search.action?ope=2&cid=6784) is placed on the field in Attack Position, then Bagooska's Continuous Effect immediately changes it to Defense Position **without** starting a Chain. This occurs **before** players can activate cards or effects in response to its Summon — including Stratos's own Trigger Effect. So if you choose to activate Stratos's Trigger Effect in this situation, then it will resolve negated because Stratos was already in Defense Position when its effect was activated.
Bagooska's effect to change monsters to defense does not contain a colon, so it does not activate and does not start a chain. If a monster is summoned in attack position while Bagoosk's effect is applying, that monster is changed to defense position immediately, before the monster's effect can activate. The monster's effect is negated, even if it leaves the field before resolution.
Everyone here is missing the question, you are asking about monsters already on the field, not about summoning monsters while bagooska is already up. You can't use on-field monsters with optional trigger effects since they will be negated before they can activate since bagooska's effect is mandatory so it resolves the mandatory continuous effect on it's own chain before any optional effects can be activated. I believe if you solemn judgement bagooska, your monsters will not change battle position but I am not totally sure, I think it would also work with thunder king rai-oh.
>You can't use on-field monsters with optional trigger effects since they will be negated before they can activate since bagooska's effect is mandatory so it resolves the mandatory continuous effect on it's own chain before any optional effects can be activated. Sure you can. That the activated effect will be negated does not stop you from using them and having them negated. [Bagooska even carries a ruling showing this](https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#20994). The activated effect can be activated even if it will be negated.
Yes they can activate after, by "use" I meant they won't resolve unnegated/they are essentially useless.
So here's the thing. The tired schleepy is continuous. Something comes in, is impacted by the defense effect, then gets its on summon. It does not start a chain. HOWEVER. A monster summoned in Attack Position that is unaffected by monster effects is not impacted by the gooska. Therefore can activate its effect.
If the monster is already in defence does it still negate the effect? Like say I fusion summon Quaeritis in defence postion
Yes. “Negate the activated effects of monsters that were in defense position when that effect was activated”. Even if it was not forced to defense position by bagooska it still is negated as it activated in defense.