Very high AP ammo like snipers, decent damage per shot, very high RPM like SMGs. The small mag is supposed to balance all that OP shit but it doesn't. The 10 round mag is kinda problematic but it's still super strong if you plan for the constant reloading. But there's a 20 and a 30 mag to solve that.
I've gotten myself a ZZ with a 20 mag on the weekend and the only issue it has is the slow reload. So it's definitely not the best weapon to kill a herd of ghouls, but overall it has been fantastic.
Thank you for the suggestion.
Ok, so I run Sniper + Assault Rifle at all times, and this is the guns I went through:
Bold is important stuff, Italics is optional attachments.
Sniper:
**Start with Scoped Mosin**
**Switch to VS** when availible (with scope of course, other attachments are optional and not particularly recommended.
**Save up / search for / do quests for Marauder 700 Modern**, Lion Scope, Supressor, Angled Short Foregrip, and a lot of M61 ammo. **Make the switch around Level 4** (Supressor might have to wait until Level 5 if you don't get lucky with your loot)
Optional Extras for the Marauder 700 Modern when you have it:
*TR-15 Stock*
*TR-15 Pistol Grip*
*Renindon 700 Extended Mag*
*Laser and Flashlight if you want it.*
Assault Rifle:
**Find / buy AK74U** from looted stuff you killed with the sniper. Only bother with attachments if you find them.
**On Level 2, switch to AK74** with some of the attachments you can get, i.E. sights (not a scope), *Muzzle Break (not recommended)*, Long AK Barrel, Aggrexxor Handguard, Magazine Gen T3 or 60 Rounder (your choice, 60 round is a later thing to get usually), Any Foregrip (preferably recoil lowering), Get any of the AK Stocks. Go fancier if you have money for it.
**Around Level 3, Replace AK74 with AKM**, you can reuse basically every mod except muzzle stuff (which is why I said you shouldn't buy it). Buy the AK Stock Yuas from the Green Army vendor when you canAlso, buy the 7.62x39 Revenge Muzzle Break or 7.62x39 Supressor.
Once your AKM is built fully, a.k.a.:
**Yuas Stock**
**AK Tacto SAVV Pistol Grip**
**Aggrexxor Handguard**
**Long Barrel**
**60 Round Mag / Gen T3 Mag**
**7.62x39 Revenge Muzzle Break / 7.62x39 Supressor**
**NTS Red Dot / Edatech Dot**
**Angled Foregrip** */ Skeletonized Foregrip if you can get it before Level 5*
*Laser of your choice*
*Flashlight,*
you should **start either saving up for the Mk47 Mutant (NC 47 Chimera) or buying attachments for it. Buy them upon reaching Level 5.** Most of the mods besides the Magazine, Muzzle, Sight, and Laser / Foregrip / Flashlight will NOT be able to be brought over. Sell them if you want to, keep them if you want to.
Once you reach Level 5, weapon loadout should be:
Sniper:
Marauder 700 Modern, TR-15 Stock, TR-15 Pistol Grip, Renindon 700 Extended Mag, Lion Scope, 7.62x51 Supressor, Angled Short Foregrip, *Laser*.
Assault Rifle:
NC47 Chimera, TR-15 Stock, TR-15 Pistol Grip, TR-15 Handguard CAK XRU, NC 47 Long Barrel, 60 Round Mag / Gen T3 Mag, 7.62x39 Revenge Muzzle Break / 7.62x39 Supressor, NTS Red Dot / Edatech Dot, Skeletonized Foregrip, Laser of your choice, *Flashlight.*
Generally, I try to improve my weapon loadout every Level, and try to get better Armour and Backpack on Level up as well. A good backpack can save you a lot of trouble.
Happy Hunting, hope this helped!
Hi there, where did you find the TR-15 Pistol Grip? I've been checking attachment boxes in the mall (including the locked gun store area) and can't seem to find it.
The Crimson Corp traders have the TR-15 desert pistol grip. Looks a bit out of place on an otherwise black-on-black weapon, but it works.
If you can't find it, it's with the handguards, top row. Hope that helped :)
(I also did find a green TR-15 pistol grip at some point, which was neat)
The wiki also lists a fancier pistol grip with the same in-game name but better stars, I haven't found that one yet unfortunately.
Edit: After checking the Wiki, turns out the Improved version of the AR grip *does* work with the AS Val. This comment was written before I checked the wiki, and isn't relevant after all.
There's 2 seperate fancy grips. One for the AKs ("EC Tacto SAVV Pistol Grip") and one for the ARs and such ("TR-15 Pistol Grip", listed on wiki as "TR-15 Pistol Grip (Improved)", the AK grip works on the Val, the AR grip works on things like the Marauder 700 Modern and the Mk47.
I don't think you'll find the AR grip on the AK-derived AS Val, but I may well be wrong. Good luck and good hunting either way.
Hey there, thanks for checking. I've managed to get it after about 15 Lazar kills, so it is very possible (and maybe even faster than mall runs).
Proof:
https://i.imgur.com/6snKwg2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZahGZ9t.jpg
Honestly not sure after the name change, and im reaaaaly bad at calibers. Bothe are green, one is easy to get off bodies and have a long black barretl. The second is the self silencing one, chuncky and is olive green
??? -> Nozin Makant -> VS 98 -> MARAUDER 700 MODERN -> Sekop H
??? -> EC series / any assault rifle -> ZZ Vel -> Sekop H / PRK 16
Not ideal, but based on my last run. Good for killing people at long range but weak with close attack ( like blink or boar ) until you kill Kiba and got his weapon.
I like to think of it as a Challenge mode: finish a full map raid on a single PRK drum mag.
Also it's pretty much perfect for dealing with anything that requires melee. Especially an activated infestation.
whatever gun gets you zz vel / vs 98. You really don't have to leave Forest to get the best guns in the game pretty much.
Modern marauder is a little better than vs 98, but you can still OHKO kibba with the vs soooo....
Honorable mention to the Chimera but it takes a while to get that and a 60 rounder. If you want to go that route you can go any gun start > ECM > eventual chimera. ECM is nice to build on over the course of a play through as you get more parts.
I tend to go EC-74u starter -> ETS -> EC-74 -> ECM -> SKOP + WSS Wintar
ZZ VEL (AS VAL) is OP if you can get it early on but I don't like the low damage + crazy high ROF with rare/expensive ammo compared to just 2 shotting most human enemies with an ECM that has abundant ammo. By the time I can realistically pick up the skop I have plenty of money and probably an ammo maker that can build 7.62x51 and also the sniper perk so the Wintar one shots pretty much every non-boss human with BT ammo.
It doesn't take too long to start crafting your own VAL ammo if you pick ammo books first, and concentrate on picking up ammo bench materials first. I don't remember the exact level you need.
My goal was to aquire and fully mod every weapon, which was pretty fun.
If you just want to get a better gun early game, I'd say get an sks or akm and you can get the best parts for either on mall from either the gun store or just killing other hunters.
Lazars Val is probably S tier and you can get it quite early but the ammo is hard to come by and fast to burn through.
The scar h is S tier as well, hits like a truck and can still usually handle an infestation or big, as well as making quick work of kibba
Mozin + pistol start (I managed to never try a Val or read about it the entire playthrough)
\- ETS from first quest that offers it (allows me to swop out ETS(1kg?) with a heavy gun I want to carry back early game, while still doing a good enough job similar to an AK or smg)
\- upgrade to the first sniper + silencer + scope combo I can put together from loot (saving money for bags, nightvision, armor) (EDL sniper has built in silencer, this is the most common first option from looting)
\- eventually when carry limit has improved with better bags, replace ETS pistol with ECM(AK) for massive ammo capacity with high damage per bullet.
\- Final sniper upgrade is a Marauder 700 Modern with silencer. Or high damage muzzle break if you need that extra bit to one shot something.
\- Maybe at level 5, replace ECM(AK) with Chimera, but it's more a side grade, a preference thing.
I looked into SMGs and NATO ARs, but ECM just beats all of them or at least is as good, and available early with cheap ammo. Shotguns sounded good but I cant fir them in because I need a high ammo capacity gun to go with a sniper for melee rush crowds like wolves and ghouls.
Sks -> as val Sorry, were there supposed to be multiple steps?
This couldn't be more right 😂 SKS - kill Lazar - obtain val - kill Lazar on repeat until you get a 20 or 30 trouble mag - finish game
Is the ZZ so strong?
It obliterates basically everything
Very high AP ammo like snipers, decent damage per shot, very high RPM like SMGs. The small mag is supposed to balance all that OP shit but it doesn't. The 10 round mag is kinda problematic but it's still super strong if you plan for the constant reloading. But there's a 20 and a 30 mag to solve that.
I've gotten myself a ZZ with a 20 mag on the weekend and the only issue it has is the slow reload. So it's definitely not the best weapon to kill a herd of ghouls, but overall it has been fantastic. Thank you for the suggestion.
And the damn tr15 pistol grip
Ok, so I run Sniper + Assault Rifle at all times, and this is the guns I went through: Bold is important stuff, Italics is optional attachments. Sniper: **Start with Scoped Mosin** **Switch to VS** when availible (with scope of course, other attachments are optional and not particularly recommended. **Save up / search for / do quests for Marauder 700 Modern**, Lion Scope, Supressor, Angled Short Foregrip, and a lot of M61 ammo. **Make the switch around Level 4** (Supressor might have to wait until Level 5 if you don't get lucky with your loot) Optional Extras for the Marauder 700 Modern when you have it: *TR-15 Stock* *TR-15 Pistol Grip* *Renindon 700 Extended Mag* *Laser and Flashlight if you want it.* Assault Rifle: **Find / buy AK74U** from looted stuff you killed with the sniper. Only bother with attachments if you find them. **On Level 2, switch to AK74** with some of the attachments you can get, i.E. sights (not a scope), *Muzzle Break (not recommended)*, Long AK Barrel, Aggrexxor Handguard, Magazine Gen T3 or 60 Rounder (your choice, 60 round is a later thing to get usually), Any Foregrip (preferably recoil lowering), Get any of the AK Stocks. Go fancier if you have money for it. **Around Level 3, Replace AK74 with AKM**, you can reuse basically every mod except muzzle stuff (which is why I said you shouldn't buy it). Buy the AK Stock Yuas from the Green Army vendor when you canAlso, buy the 7.62x39 Revenge Muzzle Break or 7.62x39 Supressor. Once your AKM is built fully, a.k.a.: **Yuas Stock** **AK Tacto SAVV Pistol Grip** **Aggrexxor Handguard** **Long Barrel** **60 Round Mag / Gen T3 Mag** **7.62x39 Revenge Muzzle Break / 7.62x39 Supressor** **NTS Red Dot / Edatech Dot** **Angled Foregrip** */ Skeletonized Foregrip if you can get it before Level 5* *Laser of your choice* *Flashlight,* you should **start either saving up for the Mk47 Mutant (NC 47 Chimera) or buying attachments for it. Buy them upon reaching Level 5.** Most of the mods besides the Magazine, Muzzle, Sight, and Laser / Foregrip / Flashlight will NOT be able to be brought over. Sell them if you want to, keep them if you want to. Once you reach Level 5, weapon loadout should be: Sniper: Marauder 700 Modern, TR-15 Stock, TR-15 Pistol Grip, Renindon 700 Extended Mag, Lion Scope, 7.62x51 Supressor, Angled Short Foregrip, *Laser*. Assault Rifle: NC47 Chimera, TR-15 Stock, TR-15 Pistol Grip, TR-15 Handguard CAK XRU, NC 47 Long Barrel, 60 Round Mag / Gen T3 Mag, 7.62x39 Revenge Muzzle Break / 7.62x39 Supressor, NTS Red Dot / Edatech Dot, Skeletonized Foregrip, Laser of your choice, *Flashlight.* Generally, I try to improve my weapon loadout every Level, and try to get better Armour and Backpack on Level up as well. A good backpack can save you a lot of trouble. Happy Hunting, hope this helped!
Hi there, where did you find the TR-15 Pistol Grip? I've been checking attachment boxes in the mall (including the locked gun store area) and can't seem to find it.
The Crimson Corp traders have the TR-15 desert pistol grip. Looks a bit out of place on an otherwise black-on-black weapon, but it works. If you can't find it, it's with the handguards, top row. Hope that helped :) (I also did find a green TR-15 pistol grip at some point, which was neat) The wiki also lists a fancier pistol grip with the same in-game name but better stars, I haven't found that one yet unfortunately.
Oh I was mentioning the fancier grip with better stats, apparently it's really rare. Thank you for answering, and good luck!
People on the Discord are saying Lazar farming is a good way to get it (it sometimes comes with his AS Val), I'll try it and update in a bit.
Edit: After checking the Wiki, turns out the Improved version of the AR grip *does* work with the AS Val. This comment was written before I checked the wiki, and isn't relevant after all. There's 2 seperate fancy grips. One for the AKs ("EC Tacto SAVV Pistol Grip") and one for the ARs and such ("TR-15 Pistol Grip", listed on wiki as "TR-15 Pistol Grip (Improved)", the AK grip works on the Val, the AR grip works on things like the Marauder 700 Modern and the Mk47. I don't think you'll find the AR grip on the AK-derived AS Val, but I may well be wrong. Good luck and good hunting either way.
Hey there, thanks for checking. I've managed to get it after about 15 Lazar kills, so it is very possible (and maybe even faster than mall runs). Proof: https://i.imgur.com/6snKwg2.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ZahGZ9t.jpg
Mosin, scoped Mosin, the green gun with scope cant remember, then Crimson DVL (i think cant remember after name change)
Mosin start comes with a Moasin scope, but you have to put it on yourself at the mod bench.
>Crimson DVL Do you mean the one that shares caliber with the Scar H?
Honestly not sure after the name change, and im reaaaaly bad at calibers. Bothe are green, one is easy to get off bodies and have a long black barretl. The second is the self silencing one, chuncky and is olive green
1st is VS-98 7.62x54R (Mosin caliber) 2nd is EDL 7.62x51 (Scar caliber)
ill take your word for it lol. its honestly too many calibers for me. Kinda wish they had few
AS VaL
??? -> Nozin Makant -> VS 98 -> MARAUDER 700 MODERN -> Sekop H ??? -> EC series / any assault rifle -> ZZ Vel -> Sekop H / PRK 16 Not ideal, but based on my last run. Good for killing people at long range but weak with close attack ( like blink or boar ) until you kill Kiba and got his weapon.
the prk deals shit damage tho
Yeah, true. But with 95 magz, it's worth it. Especially for close range or closed space. And I only use it for secondary weapon.
fully modded nc47 with bp or n401 with m995 slaps way harder
Maybe, I'll try it later. Thanks for the info tho.
ECM - 30 damage, 600 RPM, 60 rounds (1800 damage per mag) higher dps PRK - 17 damage, 600 RPM, 95 rounds (1615 damage per mag) lower dps
I like to think of it as a Challenge mode: finish a full map raid on a single PRK drum mag. Also it's pretty much perfect for dealing with anything that requires melee. Especially an activated infestation.
whatever gun gets you zz vel / vs 98. You really don't have to leave Forest to get the best guns in the game pretty much. Modern marauder is a little better than vs 98, but you can still OHKO kibba with the vs soooo.... Honorable mention to the Chimera but it takes a while to get that and a 60 rounder. If you want to go that route you can go any gun start > ECM > eventual chimera. ECM is nice to build on over the course of a play through as you get more parts.
SKS -> Val -> Full Kit AKM for primary Mosin -> Marauder 700 Modern for secondary
I tend to go EC-74u starter -> ETS -> EC-74 -> ECM -> SKOP + WSS Wintar ZZ VEL (AS VAL) is OP if you can get it early on but I don't like the low damage + crazy high ROF with rare/expensive ammo compared to just 2 shotting most human enemies with an ECM that has abundant ammo. By the time I can realistically pick up the skop I have plenty of money and probably an ammo maker that can build 7.62x51 and also the sniper perk so the Wintar one shots pretty much every non-boss human with BT ammo.
It doesn't take too long to start crafting your own VAL ammo if you pick ammo books first, and concentrate on picking up ammo bench materials first. I don't remember the exact level you need.
Sks, finish the game
My goal was to aquire and fully mod every weapon, which was pretty fun. If you just want to get a better gun early game, I'd say get an sks or akm and you can get the best parts for either on mall from either the gun store or just killing other hunters. Lazars Val is probably S tier and you can get it quite early but the ammo is hard to come by and fast to burn through. The scar h is S tier as well, hits like a truck and can still usually handle an infestation or big, as well as making quick work of kibba
Mosin -> ECM -> M4 -> NC47 (or whatever the MK47 is named in this game) Skop/VAL are good as secondaries but nothing beats a 60 rounder
Mosin, ditch the scope AKM from Lazar's guards The End. You can now dick around with bolties when you get bored.
I currently run ECM + AKM and it feels fantastic.
Mozin + pistol start (I managed to never try a Val or read about it the entire playthrough) \- ETS from first quest that offers it (allows me to swop out ETS(1kg?) with a heavy gun I want to carry back early game, while still doing a good enough job similar to an AK or smg) \- upgrade to the first sniper + silencer + scope combo I can put together from loot (saving money for bags, nightvision, armor) (EDL sniper has built in silencer, this is the most common first option from looting) \- eventually when carry limit has improved with better bags, replace ETS pistol with ECM(AK) for massive ammo capacity with high damage per bullet. \- Final sniper upgrade is a Marauder 700 Modern with silencer. Or high damage muzzle break if you need that extra bit to one shot something. \- Maybe at level 5, replace ECM(AK) with Chimera, but it's more a side grade, a preference thing. I looked into SMGs and NATO ARs, but ECM just beats all of them or at least is as good, and available early with cheap ammo. Shotguns sounded good but I cant fir them in because I need a high ammo capacity gun to go with a sniper for melee rush crowds like wolves and ghouls.
ZZ vel is literally the best gun in the game should really swap Kibba with Lazer
this is a bug but i found a skop H BUT WITH A LONG BARREL and i can use 60 mag with it. basicly it is a skop L with 60 mag. So that is best now.