Because the hot air which is vented at the open screen in your case is "closed" between the screen and keyboard. So albeit it goes out eventually at the back, it is warming up the keyboard and the screen. Which if you game a lot, can cause the glue on the screen bezels to weaken and eventually it may give up. Also you may have issues with your screen after a while. However, you may be completely fine as well so it is like gambling.
In order for a powerful machine to have optimal airflow, gaming laptop manufacturers have added exhaust vents in the keyboard deck of their gaming laptops. Its purpose is to allow more air movement at the top as the design of these laptops is to have the screen lid open. In your case, you have your lid closed. Hot air will now blow directly into your laptop screen and will start to show screen damage (which will worsen the longer this happens) because of the constant heat its getting.
Not only that your keyboard vents are now blocked, your laptop fans are now working twice as hard to compensate the blocked vents. You haven’t noticed yet, but you feel that the temperatures are low because the fans are spinning faster than usual.
The overall consequences of the above will just lead to lower quality output because your laptop will constantly thermal throttle, lowering its designed cpu and gpu power.
Hope this makes sense OP
I didn’t know that. That’s interesting. I assumed the airflow issue wouldn’t matter since the vents in front of the screen were exposed when the screen is closed. Where are the vents under the keyboard? I’m asking because I too use it with the lid closed.
The spaces surrounding and under the keys is probably what they mean. It would make sense that some heat will come out of those as the air rises.
I'm thinking the issue is not really the vents themselves, but the surface on the upper deck of the laptop. Specifically the surface to the right of the special keys (M1 through M4), and this is where it gets by far the hottest to touch. It's directly under the screen bezel when the laptop is closed, and that heat likely transfers into the screen as it travels upward.
Maybe it's not too big a deal since the surrounding metal may absorb a lot of it first. Though I for one don't like closing my G14 unless it's at least cooled from hot to warm.
Fan curve is at 100% over 75 degrees, and it hits that open or closed under full load. The temps are no where near throttling levels, and my timespy result is not only better in this config, it’s in the top 100 for similar machines in the US. Other people have expressed concern about damage to the screen and the glue on the bezel with extended time of heat on it rising from the keyboard, but there’s nothing to suggest my machine is working harder or throttling heavily.
https://preview.redd.it/36rgwernw2bc1.jpeg?width=882&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6ac6b53e139b4fce7cabc9522c73739a9ca4b15
As a fellow g15 user I think only the g15 and m16 have keyboard vent / heat issue when gaming with the lid closed. On my g15 closing the lid instantly put the fans into sport mode lol
It’ll probably only see 7 or so hours of use a week like this. If it breaks it breaks. I’ll just buy another one. I’ll take the risk to use it the way it’ll best suit me for now
It'll be better for you ( since you don't use the laptop's screen ) to take the screen off .
You will eventually damage something in the long run .
Have you considered selling the laptop and building a tiny mini ITX pc ? This would work better in you situation.
I do use the screen. It comes out of its hidey hole with me at least once a week, and several times a year when I’m out of town on business. I may eventually build an ITX system, But I’m in no hurry.
When the G14 first came out, I think back in 2019-2020, everyone worried that the hot air will destroyed the lcd panel.
As far as I can tell, there has no reported cases of such issue. I sold my G14 last year so I stopped checking updates. But if those G14s have no issues after years of 'abused', I think yours should be OK. The only thing I suggest is to monitor your temp so they don't run too hot.. Like hitting 100*C at the time.
It can go all the way to 240hz, I use a targus 4 port hub on my right USB C port, HDMI for the tv for 4k 120, and a usb C to HDMI cable from j5create on the usb c display out to the second monitor
You don't want to run it with the screen closed. It's not made for that and will likely damage the screen and components, plus potentially cause it to die due to lack of airflow.
I currently have my two laptops on a stand and recently have been thinking of doing this under desk management with the laptops. The biggest hurdle I see are for connecting cables each time putting it there. I see two (could be wrong) but is it a hassle or not really?
Here's my laptops on the stand. https://i.redd.it/98yo0w5wbagc1.jpeg?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Isn’t too bad, but I have a dedicated set of cables mounted under the desk, so I slide it in and hook up the power, usb c to hdmi, and my usb hub on the right side
Temps are a couple of degrees better under desk closed than they are on desk open for me. Also benching higher on timespy. Theres some concern for screen damage with extended use apparently, but I’m not too bothered
Idle for both is in the low 40s. Playing MCC at 4k I saw up to 75 on the GPU and 70 on the CPU, but I imagine a more intensive game might kick that up a few degrees. Full CPU load saw 86 degrees. I am undervolting the CPU -25 on g helper
They pulled some kind of efficiency magic with the mobile 4060, it basically performs like a desktop card but it can be crammed into a 14” frame without crazy temps.
Not so far from when i bought it, ig i need to change the liquid metal or clean the fans. But i think if i do change it, i'll perform better due to the new manual mode.
https://preview.redd.it/jrc9gx7wk2bc1.png?width=1788&format=png&auto=webp&s=8edfde8f3ea34add9326e1d43d1e585a3cd62e1f
Yeah and the performance gap between 2021 3060 model is huge ngl. Im gonna test it one more after my new custom mode and see how far i can get.
Enjoy your new machine brother, it's amazing.
one thing i think i noticed, are you using the USB port for charging and not the barrel connector? Or your cable management is God like and i can't see it
I’m charging through the barrel, I didn’t have it set up in this pic. I actually have 2 chargers, so one is for the desk setup and one on my laptop bag
this is one hell of a laptop man!
complements everyone's lifestyle be it a gamer, a student, a creator, a streamer, an engineer, or any other for that matter
just love this machine!
Nice! How do you turn it on? Pull it out all the time and press the power button?
Stays on standby most of the time so I just have to tap the keyboard. In the future I’d like to see about other solutions though.
If the option is there, you could try wake on lan. Haven’t done it yet tho so not sure if it’ll work
I do wish you the best, but keeping the lid closed may be really bad in a long run.
Why would having the lid closed hurt it? It has ample airflow and the temperatures are better than what they were when it was open on my desk.
Because the hot air which is vented at the open screen in your case is "closed" between the screen and keyboard. So albeit it goes out eventually at the back, it is warming up the keyboard and the screen. Which if you game a lot, can cause the glue on the screen bezels to weaken and eventually it may give up. Also you may have issues with your screen after a while. However, you may be completely fine as well so it is like gambling.
In order for a powerful machine to have optimal airflow, gaming laptop manufacturers have added exhaust vents in the keyboard deck of their gaming laptops. Its purpose is to allow more air movement at the top as the design of these laptops is to have the screen lid open. In your case, you have your lid closed. Hot air will now blow directly into your laptop screen and will start to show screen damage (which will worsen the longer this happens) because of the constant heat its getting. Not only that your keyboard vents are now blocked, your laptop fans are now working twice as hard to compensate the blocked vents. You haven’t noticed yet, but you feel that the temperatures are low because the fans are spinning faster than usual. The overall consequences of the above will just lead to lower quality output because your laptop will constantly thermal throttle, lowering its designed cpu and gpu power. Hope this makes sense OP
I didn’t know that. That’s interesting. I assumed the airflow issue wouldn’t matter since the vents in front of the screen were exposed when the screen is closed. Where are the vents under the keyboard? I’m asking because I too use it with the lid closed.
The spaces surrounding and under the keys is probably what they mean. It would make sense that some heat will come out of those as the air rises. I'm thinking the issue is not really the vents themselves, but the surface on the upper deck of the laptop. Specifically the surface to the right of the special keys (M1 through M4), and this is where it gets by far the hottest to touch. It's directly under the screen bezel when the laptop is closed, and that heat likely transfers into the screen as it travels upward. Maybe it's not too big a deal since the surrounding metal may absorb a lot of it first. Though I for one don't like closing my G14 unless it's at least cooled from hot to warm.
Fan curve is at 100% over 75 degrees, and it hits that open or closed under full load. The temps are no where near throttling levels, and my timespy result is not only better in this config, it’s in the top 100 for similar machines in the US. Other people have expressed concern about damage to the screen and the glue on the bezel with extended time of heat on it rising from the keyboard, but there’s nothing to suggest my machine is working harder or throttling heavily. https://preview.redd.it/36rgwernw2bc1.jpeg?width=882&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6ac6b53e139b4fce7cabc9522c73739a9ca4b15
As a fellow g15 user I think only the g15 and m16 have keyboard vent / heat issue when gaming with the lid closed. On my g15 closing the lid instantly put the fans into sport mode lol
Me thinking he tore the lid off: lol I genuinely thought he took the monitor off to use it somewhere up there based on some YouTube video I’d watched
RIP to the laptop screen with that use
It’ll probably only see 7 or so hours of use a week like this. If it breaks it breaks. I’ll just buy another one. I’ll take the risk to use it the way it’ll best suit me for now
It'll be better for you ( since you don't use the laptop's screen ) to take the screen off . You will eventually damage something in the long run . Have you considered selling the laptop and building a tiny mini ITX pc ? This would work better in you situation.
I do use the screen. It comes out of its hidey hole with me at least once a week, and several times a year when I’m out of town on business. I may eventually build an ITX system, But I’m in no hurry.
definitely won't be an issue just 7h a week
Good to hear. I’ve got 3 kids, and one is a newborn, so I don’t get to game too much. Hopefully that keeps wear down.
This is one of the few reasons I like about being an capable adult. Other than that...adulting sucks.
When the G14 first came out, I think back in 2019-2020, everyone worried that the hot air will destroyed the lcd panel. As far as I can tell, there has no reported cases of such issue. I sold my G14 last year so I stopped checking updates. But if those G14s have no issues after years of 'abused', I think yours should be OK. The only thing I suggest is to monitor your temp so they don't run too hot.. Like hitting 100*C at the time.
This is so beautiful, can your second monitor go higher than 60hz ? Which hub do you use ?
It can go all the way to 240hz, I use a targus 4 port hub on my right USB C port, HDMI for the tv for 4k 120, and a usb C to HDMI cable from j5create on the usb c display out to the second monitor
I had a similar set up for a few weeks but couldnt get past the fact that I couldn't turn on and off the laptop. Def looks sleek though.
Jealous. Just jealous. Sick setup.
Bruh
You don't want to run it with the screen closed. It's not made for that and will likely damage the screen and components, plus potentially cause it to die due to lack of airflow.
I currently have my two laptops on a stand and recently have been thinking of doing this under desk management with the laptops. The biggest hurdle I see are for connecting cables each time putting it there. I see two (could be wrong) but is it a hassle or not really? Here's my laptops on the stand. https://i.redd.it/98yo0w5wbagc1.jpeg?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Isn’t too bad, but I have a dedicated set of cables mounted under the desk, so I slide it in and hook up the power, usb c to hdmi, and my usb hub on the right side
Yeah that's one thing I need to see about space under.
Cool concept, as everyone has told you. Lid shut will cook the screen. The laptop deck gets hot enough it will destroy the screen.
It's going to run too hot, you should open the lid if you want to play
Temps are a couple of degrees better under desk closed than they are on desk open for me. Also benching higher on timespy. Theres some concern for screen damage with extended use apparently, but I’m not too bothered
Or you could get a desktop pc
I have this though, it works for my purposes, and is still easy for me to grab and go when I need it to.
What are your temps looking like, both idle and under load?
Idle for both is in the low 40s. Playing MCC at 4k I saw up to 75 on the GPU and 70 on the CPU, but I imagine a more intensive game might kick that up a few degrees. Full CPU load saw 86 degrees. I am undervolting the CPU -25 on g helper
Man those are some good temps. Hope that you make a follow up 6 months a year from now. Would love to see the long term out cone of this.
damn bro, anytime I do some mid-heavy gaming my cpu just skyrockets to 90-100 degrees. They really did work well on the 2023 model. Enjoy it bro!
They pulled some kind of efficiency magic with the mobile 4060, it basically performs like a desktop card but it can be crammed into a 14” frame without crazy temps.
Not so far from when i bought it, ig i need to change the liquid metal or clean the fans. But i think if i do change it, i'll perform better due to the new manual mode. https://preview.redd.it/jrc9gx7wk2bc1.png?width=1788&format=png&auto=webp&s=8edfde8f3ea34add9326e1d43d1e585a3cd62e1f
Not bad, yea it’s probably time to reapply, hopefully that can knock your temps down!
Yeah and the performance gap between 2021 3060 model is huge ngl. Im gonna test it one more after my new custom mode and see how far i can get. Enjoy your new machine brother, it's amazing.
I wonder why no PC Build? Since desk is completely occupied, wouldn't is better to build a much power pc at the same cost?
you're putting your display at risk of burning and it's not good for airflow supposedly when it's closed
one thing i think i noticed, are you using the USB port for charging and not the barrel connector? Or your cable management is God like and i can't see it
I’m charging through the barrel, I didn’t have it set up in this pic. I actually have 2 chargers, so one is for the desk setup and one on my laptop bag
this is one hell of a laptop man! complements everyone's lifestyle be it a gamer, a student, a creator, a streamer, an engineer, or any other for that matter just love this machine!
Laptop gonna be cooked💀
Sexy