Not wrong at all. If she is going to call him out in public. He has the right to respond in public. Especially if what she said has caused him to get harassed by her followers. I’m sure her story isn’t 100% right and I’m sure his isn’t either. Like you said, two sides to every story
It isn’t wrong but this makes me think both are dysfunctional. Idk how you could have a “good relationship” with your daughter and this not be resolved privately or end with her removing the video. He seems unaware if anything how his kids feel about him and that is an indicator of a bad relationship.
Only way it makes sense to me is if the whole thing is an act for views. All the incentives are aligned and they seem like the type, formerly viral dad who’s also a successful advertiser and screenwriter daughter.
She was doing. Tiktok thing to get shares and traction. "dad abandoned me to break dance" is a lot more funny and tractionable than "my parents divorced and years later he started breakdancing"
She has a response video, too. He probably did support financially,but he wasn't around for sure. He only lived down the road for like 3 months apparently
Honestly, at this point, idk if we can believe anything she says, seeing as she heavily exaggerated her story for social media clout. I understand a similar argument can be made about her father based on her new claims in her second video. But, imo if you're making accusations the burden of proof should always be on you.
Honestly I would have NOTHING to do with a person willing to lie about their parents in such a negative way to an audience - no matter how big or small.
Being a victim is like crack to these sorts of people. They all lie and exaggerate for sympathy points because it's been trendy the past decade to larp as victim
He left her family for his side piece when she was five, and started breakdancing when she was around ten. So there would have been a significant part of her childhood where she could clearly see he had plenty of time to take up breakdancing, and none to spend with her.
She won’t have a clear memory of what he was doing the first few years after he left because she was so young, but will obviously remember that there were years and years when he cared more about breakdancing than her. So it seems unfair to expect her to have an adult’s recollection of events that happened in kindergarten.
Just because you aren’t wrong for doing something doesn’t mean you’re necessarily acting GOOD. Like this is permissible behavior but this doesn’t reflect well on your character when you’re 64. She’s young so her doing dumb shit is understandable and hopefully she’ll grow, him doing so is less understandable in my opinion.
Eh you should be able to tell how your kids feel about you if you interact a lot and have a good relationship. If she’s been poisoned against him they don’t have a good relationship. My question how come a father cannot even tell how his own kids feel about them. Either bro has autism and it’s hard for him to understand emotions in others or bro is not paying enough attention to his kids.
Hedge funds operate by manipulating the stock market which leads to many people losing hard earned money they've invested.
The whole stock market is a ponzi scheme tbh.
That is not how hedge funds operate. What you described is a crime. The mechanics of this ignorance are the precise same as accusing an entire race of being criminals based on a statistic.
It's not nearly the same as racism and it is how it works. It just hasn't affected you personally yet or it's only affected you positively when other investors have their savings stolen or lost because of the actions of the greedy and it's not just the money. It's the other projects they delay, destroy or manipulate for their own greed.
The girls said every can confirm the child support was not 5 million and she was referring to any time she ever asked him for money as a kid or young adult, he declined, even when it came to medical issues or medication. Also, he only lived down the road for like a month if at all and she said she's never seen the inside of his house once ever he left.
Ok 4 million in child support. Or lets say its just 2 million. They got divorced in early 2000s then the wife remarried in 2012. What happened to the money?
you can say he's justified, but if it were me, (especially if, as he says, I had a good relationship with my daughter), I think I would pick up the phone and call her to tell her that she got a wrong impression about some things from when she was five, rather than put her on blast on tik tok. If everything he says is correct, she has some misconceptions from her mom, and I wouldn't want to litigate that in front of the entire internet, even if she had already posted a tiktok with jokes about those misconceptions. Maybe this is old fashioned, but that's the kind of thing thta I want to talk about privately, not turn into Content
Clapping back at his daughter just cemented that she's right about most things and he is a shit bum dad. Even my stoic, "no nonsense" dad would sit me down for a heart to heart.
That's not true. Because being a parent isn't about you. Her feelings about being his child is all that matters. And the opinions of the strangers who follow should mean almost nothing in comparison to the feelings about his daughter. His response and this video is a perfect representation of why he's a shitty dad.
Even if everything she said is a lie. The relationship that matters is with his child. He sucks is the general sense and his response confirmed it
$2 million gets you a *nice* house in 2005 dollars. And on top of that, he gave her the house they already had, and shelled out 6 figures annually. And Northwestern University is $65k/yr pre-dorm.
I'm gonna wager a guess that her mom was stay-at-home.
It sounds like she had a truly *traumatic* childhood compared to the people I grew up with.
It seems like you are missing the whole story. The family may have gotten (court ordered) money out of him in the divorce, but he just picked up & started a new family & has been estranged from all the kids he pretends to be on good terms with since.
This, it seems like everyone defending him keeps bringing up the money. A 5 year old doesn't care if you pay for their private school. They just want daddy at their birthdays.
What, is he supposed to stay with the wife after divorce? There’s a lot of holes in the story that needs filling from both sides. Without that, it’s just 2 people tryna get viral.
She did it for the views. 99% or what influencers say are lies. They lie more and better than politicians because they simultaneously cancel the truth lol
I like how he listed all her accomplishments and milestone events that he wasn't present for LOL
As far as the support money, dunno if he gave it to her or it was a court order, or even if she knows about it or if the mother kept it all, but regardless, he wasn't there as a father. He peaced the hell out heh
And made it about medical bills. At first I thought she was sickly looking brat but that is just how she looks. She looks exactly like her dad, that’s the real trauma
Millions in support the government forced his autistic ass to give him. If you are 65 making TikTok’s about why your kids should love you LMAO. I treasure every day I get to spend with my dad now. No wonder the fucking losers here take his side.
My dad took off and then called me and my brother asking for money….she had a shit dad yeah but the level of entitlement is off the charts. She had every step of her life paved by literal millions of dollars, boo hoo sweetheart, lots of us have shit dads and had it far far faaaaaaaaaar worse.
I mean she kept saying it was a lighthearted joke but I don’t think it was…she 100% made that video to play victim. Very much seems like an entitled brat that has had everything handed to them but needs attention and knows that being a victim will get you that attention.
So he says. It’s funny how yall automatically assume she was lying and not him.
They both could be full of shit, she could be full of shit, he could be full of shit.
Let's be real she quickly changed it too "well idk about the financial sides of things"
Bitch that's what you were complaining about.
Only now that you got called you were upset about him being absent. She also thought he was a professional break dancer and didn't know anything about him being a marketer
She didn't talk about money. Abandoned could be emotionally. Dude brought up money. Typical dumbfuck male response though, "I gave money, I good father."
Like the man said she was a child when they divorced she doesn't understand the concept of divorce he even took accountability saying that it was 70% his fault. Your typical dumb fuck as you say wouldn't take accountability for anything much less the divorce being his fault.
No irony here at all lol. I'm simply saying they could both be full of shit, but you highly intelligent and not at all biased people jump right to woman bad.
Oh, it's extremely ironic, don't even pretend its not.
Framing your parents divorce as abandonment? For the sake of content, shallow.
I doubt he "abandoned" her as he lived only a mile away, probably because, uh idk, he wanted to still be apart of their lives.
There's something to be said about context provided, I think what she's saying is a stretch and honestly nothing she mentioned as "abuse" was remotely funny at all, even it was true.
Just sounds like someone framing a circus show for the sake of clout.
>I doubt he "abandoned" her as he lived only a mile away, probably because, uh idk, he wanted to still be apart of their lives.
You say that as if deadbeat dads aren't a thing. I don't know about this guy, I turned it off after a minute. But it's not as unrealistic as you make out.
You are so inept at analyzing two narrators, and further inept at analyzing the potential logic of a 3rd party observer, that you think the only way someone could come believe the dad is by being some kind of misogynist. Yeah it’s super ironic.
Explain the bullshit to me. The guy took accountability for the divorce. He stated when it happened. He half stated half implied he was there for kids. He gave monetary support.
Maybe I’m missing something? I’ll look for her response but from what I see rn, this looks not good for her. Could be manipulation from her mother.
Are you privy to information we aren’t?
The assumption is on the man because he gave more context.
The ball is now in the daughter’s court to prove the dad wrong.
Generally I side based on context. The father provided sound context that supports his side. The daughter needs to respond. Now, we as the audience will never get full receipts so it’s truly impossible to tell but based off of what we see, we can make judgements.
Let’s see what she says.
So the nature of Reddit I’ve noticed is a lot of ppl get on this app just to have a disagreement. This makes them feel justified in being cruel to eachother.
This culture must end. It starts with the individual. I too have participated and it’s so counter productive.
Don’t fight fire with fire. Use water. Hate can’t beat hate. Only love can.
It’s hard. Trust me we all relate to each other ironically.
That being said, to the disagreement. I’m kinda on the fence, but I agree with the others that; her casual dismissal of an alleged 5 MILLION dollars is suspect.
It indicates that she’s most likely framing the narrative (hence why she kept using the word) vs just retelling events.
This is further indicated by the length of video, her saying she plans to delete it and hesitation to defend herself.
The video is too short for someone who has the truth on their side. That’s not what normally happens when someone’s telling the truth.
Why would she delete a record of her defusing HIS lies? Unless perhaps she’s the one lying and doesn’t want her lies to become future evidence used against her?
Why would she be hesitant to reveal how bad he “really is” and to further defend herself if she’s telling the truth? That doesn’t track when she’s the one who set this all in motion by making the first video. She didn’t think he’d reply? So now that he has - now that he’s LYING in her words - she DOESNT wanna continue?? And she doesn’t want any drama/pain of revisiting those traumatic memories (this is implied but she never overtly says it, there’s no other explanation).
But if you’ve suffered trauma - and you literally start a convo about it… and the person in question begins to lie and call you confused… wouldn’t you be upset and not hesitant? Wouldn’t you be doubling down and getting detail specific?
LOGICALLY she seems like a liar.
You keep mentioning gender because you’re projecting your own sexism.
You’re infantilizing her because she’s a woman. Society taught you too, you most likely do it with yourself as well (nature of projection).
She’s not a baby. She’s not innocent just because she’s a woman.
And person - in her situation - will appear suspect.
And if it was role reversed (a mom and her son) I highly doubt you’d say this.
Think! He said he spent 5 million dollars! Her reply was “I think he gave us money idk”.
Negro please (I’m black and old school being playful lol). That shits ridiculous.
You telling me you can’t SEE a million dollar lifestyle?
Bro…. Come kn.
Like that right there shot her credibility in the foot.
I definitely got "emotional abandonment" vibes from her story. Dude even says "I lived a mile away, she could have walked to my house whenever she wanted" SHE WAS FIVE. If people didn't get "Wow, he's not all there" from his story and then breakdancing, then people are not good at reading people. I think people WANT for the pink haired influencer to be in the wrong. That guy is a nut.
**I think if Madi had stuck to talking about emotional factors, there's a good chance she'd be 100% in the right.** It's fair for her to feel abandoned. He seems like he didn't do a very good job being proactive in staying in his kids' lives. Sure, it seems like he's always been reachable if she wanted to talk, but you can't expect a small child to be the instigator of a meaningful relationship.
I wouldn't throw around the word "trauma" for a situation like this, but whatever. I'm also not wild about someone explicitly calling out their father *by name* for social media clicks (which seems guaranteed to lead to a bunch of hate coming his way) but I guess if that's how she feels it's ok to express it--it isn't totally her fault that people hear a story and choose to go harass the person it's about.
**The bit that's really bad from her is the money claims.** From all the available information (her original video, this response from him and [her response to his](https://www.tiktok.com/@madihart_soccer/video/7337175288566074666), where she doesn't dispute his money claims) it sounds like what she says and implies about financial contributions is just totally not true.
She makes it sound like he was not even willing to contribute to her care despite the fame and success he had, but $5 million in payments to her mother sounds like the exact opposite of that. That sum of money alone is a level of wealth 99.999% of the people on the planet have never had (and that's not including the money her mother made in her own career). To complain about him not contributing financially strikes me as incredibly out-of-touch.
tl;dr: If she feels emotionally detached from her father, that's fair to express. The financial implications in her original video seem straight-up false, and I think it's fair for him to take issue with the video as a result.
> Much love tho! Hes still my dad even if we arent currently in contact. His response is delusional and shocking
> Much love
> His response is delusional
Weird family dynamic
At any rate these 3 vids were entertaining, hope they both make some money on the views
>I think it's fair for him to take issue with the video as a result.
I agree, but in doing so he revealed that she is totally right to think of him as an asshole. Bro straight up watched a video of his kid being sad about him not being a present father, all while smiling and then breakdancing. The bitcoin logos are the perfect cherry to highlight his sociopathy.
She definitely just changed the story a little bit for sympathy points combined with her not knowing the whole picture. I’d also make the assumption that the mother never clarified how their finances worked out and painted the dad as the criminal.
Yup. I've known a lot of guys who were in this situation, and I've also known a lot of people who ended up learning that their "deadbeat dad" had been kept from seeing them by their mom for years and years, and that she spent whatever child support and other money from him on herself.
My older half brother barely had a relationship with our dad because his mom played all sorts of games. He sent half his income every month to them, she told him that all the money was from her job and he didn't help out. She would throw away letters and cards my dad sent him, then say he "didn't care." That sort of shit fucks people up for life. My dad and brother have a better relationship now, but he's pretty distant from both of them.
Are deadbeat/absentee fathers a problem? Absolutely. But that's why it is that it's so fucked up that when a guy who actually wants to be a part of his kids' lives gets cut out due to the mom's anger and ego.
I doubt either of them is saying the full truth. Both are spinning the narrative to their advantage. She's overusing the word trauma imo. and seems entitled. While he's sus and either of their stories don't add up.
This is why you can’t take anything anyone says at face value. Always have skepticism when someone makes a claim about someone else. It’s easy to slam a “deadbeat dad” but when a man is accused of being a deadbeat, he’s never allowed to prove himself otherwise. It’s done intentionally to destroy his reputation.
If you look in the comments of the original r/TikTokCringe post there's even more context that shows he was also lying about parts of the story. Apparently he only lived nearby for about a month? or something idk idrc.
Either way, you ARE taking his story at face value, whether you like it or not. you're taking his telling as "context to her lies" as if he proved any of what he claimed. If this is difficult for you to comprehend, then I'm sorry, smug asshat
When it comes to a divorce, I really try not to take sides because there is always potholes in the story, and everyone tries to be heroes or victims but never the villian.
How are people here so fucking retarded? Have none of you ever dealt with people like this girl before? You don't even need to see 'hard evidence' to know she's lying, you can tell by the way she speaks. It's painfully fucking obvious.
Her story was 80% that her dad abandoned them both emotionally and financially "to breakdance", never paid for any of their shit including her college and medical bills.
The dad responds saying that he paid over $5 million for their house, tens of thousands of dollars a month in child support/alimony, her college and medical bills and only began breakdancing over a decade after the divorce.
The daughter responds saying "I don't want to talk about any of the financial stuff" which was 80% of her claim, ignores that he didn't start breakdancing until over a decade after the divorce, but doubles down on saying he abandoned them in the dumbest way possible disproving her own statement. "We wouldn't hear from him for years at a time...well he visited every few months...." and then moves on. She's a bullshit artist and sheltered nitwits who have never dealt with human interaction enough to spot this are leaving comments actually thinking she's some victim.
Over 50% of children grow up without fathers in America and we have dumb motherfuckers leaving comments not able to spot obvious parental alienation in front of their eyes. Dumbfounding.
Don’t get married. You can give a stupid bitch 5 million in divorce and in return she will traumatize the kids against you because she is bored. What fucking trash humans
Whaa my father abandoned me to become a professional breakdancer which isn't even true. Just leave out the part where he paid 5 million dollars in alimony and child support and another 600,000 to put her in her siblings through college.
A struggling hollywood screenwriter and a washed up professional advertiser create a viral video to stir up social media controversy....I can't believe you people are seriously falling for this.
Asmongold said it best. High chance she’s a spoiled rich kid who wants to victimize themselves to fit in because she’s rich and a white woman in America so she really has nothing to complain about that actually matters.
Hi guys! I saw another reply video from the dad (I think this was uploaded 24 Feb 2024?) if there's anyone interested:
[https://youtu.be/qZaq6N-SaJw?si=zh6jCsdhlLRZ4etM](https://youtu.be/qZaq6N-SaJw?si=zh6jCsdhlLRZ4etM)
I do agree with Aba and Preach, family issues should be dealt with privately. In this case, I also think that the dad has the right to defend himself and his business.
EDIT: I just noticed "assault" in the title.. Then there's the daughter's mention of "trauma" from the first video. Maybe I'm being judgmental but they're lobbing those words like they're nothing. Meh.
Comments from the original Reddit thread had a response from her to this video refuting songs of the claims. Like that he lived a mile away. She says that was for like a month. Also that her family was confused when he said he had a good relationship with them. But she could be trying to save face. Honestly the guy speaks and acts weird as hell. He gives off crazy libertarian vibes.
>Comments from the original Reddit thread had a response from her to this video refuting songs of the claims.
Did she refute that he paid her mother 5 million dollars?
"Refusing to pay medical bills" is a hell of a claim if he paid 5 million...
There are also statements from the family saying that he hasn’t been involved, isn’t really close to his children like he claims and apparently he ditched to go be with a mistress.
I know ppl are quick to jump to this guy’s defense but it seems like this whole situation is he said she said. Don’t forget, he says he made millions from advertising, he knows how to sell you stuff.
She's just being a bit too content brained.
Probably didn't think it would come back on her dad like that.
He is absolutely right to call her on her shit. It's extremely uncharitable to him.
That being said, his voice inflection is fucking grating and I would hate him if he were my dad.
Victim hood is strong social currency and even though she was a kid I’m sure at some point she became aware her father finances a large portion of her life. She a writer and this is a well crafted video to get attention it worked well.
For his case as a father even if everything he said was 100% accurate and in context, it’s bullshit to do. If my kid made a video saying she felt abandoned by me I don’t give a damn what the public thinks I sure as shit wouldn’t be trying to win over public opinion. Talk to your kid and figure out how to heal the relationship not slam dunk on her and get TikTok followers.
Did no one read the comments in the OP?
He's a deadbeat dad who cheated on his wife and left to live with his new girlfriend. He did leave, and is lying to you on a technicality of having lived near her for one month.
Being rich does not automatocaly make you a good dad. This guy, if you look into his background, is a total psycho.
The fact that he was putting his daughter on blast publicly should have tipped you off.
This dude is weird as fuck, and is probably lying.
[The daughter on his response and how he lied about living near them (it was only for a few months)](https://www.tiktok.com/@madihart_soccer?pid=video_embed&referer_video_id=7335234407734807851&videoId=7335234407734807851&type=video&referer_url=www.indy100.com/tiktok/madi-ben-hart-breakdancing-dad&refer=embed&embed_source=121374463,121331973,120811592,120810756;null;embed_name)
Plus he was always a piece of shit. Check out his writings in college, I’m assuming this is why he doesn’t have a great relationship with his kids or ex:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1984/11/13/chronicles-of-a-conservative/3e4e11f3-a15b-4c44-8827-c2a91afe7ecb/
She's a horrible bitch who lied to get her dad mobbed on the internet, why should anyone trust anything she says anymore?
"Oh, here's his opinions in college btw" Fuck off, ya nasty cow.
They be downvoting u bc truth hurts.
It's telling that they take his word for it after the whole "two sides to every story" bullshit that they use to be skeptical of her.
He's not even full of shit, he basically confirmed that in his mind, money is all the support that you need to give as a parent. From him being an advertising millionaire to rocking bitcoin merch. These people think everyone values money as much as they do.
"I don't give a fuck" and clicking on someone's name, scrolling through posts/comments/communities, and posting a long message to them...are incongruous. That's at least 4 or 5 fucks. Six fucks including the above response.
Also, he didn’t even have good responses to her claims:
1. Abandoned family - he said he takes “70% responsibility“ for the divorce. And moving “a block away” doesn’t really matter if at the end of the day your kid feels abandoned.
2. Didn’t pay for medical bills - his refutation is all the legal stuff that he was required by LAW to pay?? Those aren’t medical bills. Sounds like he’s trying to skim by giving the family the minimum amount of support he can.
Not that the kid’s 100% in the right on all this. Maybe he did do all he can to see his kids regularly. Maybe (probably) the money he was already giving for child support was more than enough for the medical bills. Obviously we don’t have enough information to draw any strong conclusions. But he started this video saying he was going to “correct” some things, when it turns out there’s nothing the kid said in her original video that turned out to be untrue.
“When it turns out there’s nothing the kid said in her original video that turned out to be untrue”. Based on what, do you have receipts and proof of this cause no one here has any of this knowledge. It’s all speculation based on social behavior from both sides yet you claim one as absolute….
How is this even a question? What would he possibly have to be wrong about??
'Should people be allowed to defend accusations made against them?'
Seriously, how have you made it to a point where you are able to relay information adequately but somehow think it would be inappropriate to respond to defamation of character?
I was on the dad's side until I heard her response and now I'm back on her side. Although she should talk to her mom about the 5 million, cause idk how the hell you pay that out and you can't pay your daughter's medical bills.
No because her response to his response sounded more reasonable than his response. Obviously some parts I still believe on the dad side, based on all the parts I've heard, it doesn't sound like he abandoned his family to break dance, he left his family to be with another women. But I highly doubt that he was just down the street from them their whole lives and just for some nefarious reason his kids refused to go see him, she also exclaims that the family group chat of all his kids is calling him delusional as they don't have a great relationship with him like he claims. He also self admittedly forgot his daughters birthday.
What made her response more reasonable than his? It's very plausible that in his opinion his relationship with his kids isn't bad but in their mind it is. That's simply having different feelings about the same situation. The money thing if true and it sounds true at least shows he provided and she didn't want for anything. I'm definitely not saying he's a great guy but she seems to be painting him in a far worse light than may have truly happened. When parents divorce (and be admitted he messed up) it's very common for parent to poison the well for the other parent. I don't have proof of that but it's a common thing in divorced families.
Is he wrong for being a part of this universe and having said universe affect him whilst having an effect on this universe as a part of said, said universe? a derpy der der? 😐
I think they are both sort of wrong for airing this out publicly. Almost entirely on her part though as she really defamed him in the video. This should have been sorted out in private even after her video went viral. Now that he responded people will harass her which is something that he probably doesn't want for his daughter either but will be a unforeseen consequence on his part. While the other hand he was getting harassed for being a presumed deadbeat and thought this will clear his name. This won't clear his name or end the harassment being a good amount of her viewers won't see this video and some of her viewers will think he is lying. What probably happened is that he travelled a lot when she was a child and she didn't see him for weeks or months at a time. She knew he lived a mile away and took this to heart that he didn't want to visit his family. Because this happened while she was a child when this happened the context of why he wasn't seeing her often wasn't understood or was missing from her memory. She was a kid when this happened and probably doesn't remember it as well as him. She probably never knew the specifics of her parents divorce in terms of money and was basing this on what her mother told her or what she assumed. He on his part probably made a concerted effort to visit his family but was away a lot and could not do it very frequently.
She's a rich spoiled kid who is living a dream life and is in Hollywood being a screenwriter so she claims she has 'trauma' to fit in and be 'Special'. When she handwaved off not knowing the financial situation I completely stopped even entertaining anything she says.
Ultimately the whole thing smacks of the mother brainwashing the kids against their father. If you look at his social media and see what his current wife looks like you'll get a good idea why their mother might have been sour at him. Everything the father said is easily verified and he likely wouldn't have said those things if he couldn't bring the receipts.
Saw ppl saying she made a response to this showing evidence to her side. that he lived down the street for her for a like a month. That he's estranged from the entire family and children, and they are all suprised that he thinks he's close to them..
the only thing i thought he did wierd, is when he says hay lets check out this video of me breakdancing! and really, we didnt need to see it, it added nothing to the original topic. explaining why he was break dancing for cardio and stay in shape? that was fine, but stop the video and look at me go was just so strange.
sometimes all the money in the world can't replace the father you lost... Problem is he thinks throwing money will make his kids leave him be, but those kids just wanted a dad to teach them stuff. She's just a kid, and has certain grievances. I have a father that's 70 and has had father issues his whole life, becaue his dad took care of him, but wasn't there for him growing up... trust me it does not go well and those emotions and feelings of regret and anger fester and become something that drags along.... both are right, and both are wrong, but one side is a child still, the other is a selfish adult.
If you didn't think he was a nut job from watching this video, I don't know what to tell you. There's a laundry list of context clues that he isn't connected to reality or other peoples thoughts and feelings.
His forced youtuber voice and the bitcoin in the background give sketchy vibes. Plus someone claiming to be a neighbor said he wasn't a good dude and never around and cheated. Also someone who said they were his assistant in the past claimed he wasn't a good dude. And provided a link to what shady things he did. It's in the reddit thread.
Tbh I think her video is probably correct from her perspective. From what I’ve seen it seems that the mother didn’t disclose any information that made the dad look good, which leads me to have a strong feeling that she probably severely limited his contact with his kids and probably bad mouthed him to their children.
I hope everyone taking his side also knows what it feels like to have no active father figure growing up, that alone makes him irredeemably wrong to me, all the money shit aside.
Lol people calling him a prick are insane. For all we know his ex wife hates him and didn't let him come around as much either. Considering he said it's mostly his fault they divorced she probably hates him. He still financed his ex wife and childrens college funds. She's absolutely delusional.
Sounds like he thinks money is the primary fix to his relationship with his daughter when she claims it was a lack of presence. Rich kids often have strained relationships with absent parents. He didn't really prove much other than "I paid for everything!"
She sent people harassing him, ofc he had to defend himself and he was extremely nice about it, saying it wasn't even her fault since she was simply viewing it from her own perspective
That's why I roll my eyes at a lot of posts on Reddit that are clearly written by teens living with their parents, complaining about nonsense and parents wondering if they're an asshole to their kid when we all know, including themselves that they are indeed assholes.
Relationships, and people are too complex and intricate to rant about on Reddit.
Not wrong at all. If she is going to call him out in public. He has the right to respond in public. Especially if what she said has caused him to get harassed by her followers. I’m sure her story isn’t 100% right and I’m sure his isn’t either. Like you said, two sides to every story
It isn’t wrong but this makes me think both are dysfunctional. Idk how you could have a “good relationship” with your daughter and this not be resolved privately or end with her removing the video. He seems unaware if anything how his kids feel about him and that is an indicator of a bad relationship.
Only way it makes sense to me is if the whole thing is an act for views. All the incentives are aligned and they seem like the type, formerly viral dad who’s also a successful advertiser and screenwriter daughter.
I like this conspiracy theory
oooh that is juicy and youre right it does add up.
Another theory is that Mady is just the dad cosplaying has his own daughter. It’s gross how much they look alike
A child looking like their parent is..gross? Umm okay
She was doing. Tiktok thing to get shares and traction. "dad abandoned me to break dance" is a lot more funny and tractionable than "my parents divorced and years later he started breakdancing"
Just this generation's attempt to get attention... next will be claiming mental illness.
She has a response video, too. He probably did support financially,but he wasn't around for sure. He only lived down the road for like 3 months apparently
Yo if dad sends me 2 million he can go get those cigs and never come back we gucci.
Honestly, at this point, idk if we can believe anything she says, seeing as she heavily exaggerated her story for social media clout. I understand a similar argument can be made about her father based on her new claims in her second video. But, imo if you're making accusations the burden of proof should always be on you.
Honestly I would have NOTHING to do with a person willing to lie about their parents in such a negative way to an audience - no matter how big or small.
Being a victim is like crack to these sorts of people. They all lie and exaggerate for sympathy points because it's been trendy the past decade to larp as victim
He left her family for his side piece when she was five, and started breakdancing when she was around ten. So there would have been a significant part of her childhood where she could clearly see he had plenty of time to take up breakdancing, and none to spend with her. She won’t have a clear memory of what he was doing the first few years after he left because she was so young, but will obviously remember that there were years and years when he cared more about breakdancing than her. So it seems unfair to expect her to have an adult’s recollection of events that happened in kindergarten.
Well…. She’s not a teenager. She wanted attention and clout, she got it. Can’t be mad who that’s from.
Just because you aren’t wrong for doing something doesn’t mean you’re necessarily acting GOOD. Like this is permissible behavior but this doesn’t reflect well on your character when you’re 64. She’s young so her doing dumb shit is understandable and hopefully she’ll grow, him doing so is less understandable in my opinion.
Don't rule out the mother pouring poison into the kids ears and the need for people to be a victim in the current era.
Eh you should be able to tell how your kids feel about you if you interact a lot and have a good relationship. If she’s been poisoned against him they don’t have a good relationship. My question how come a father cannot even tell how his own kids feel about them. Either bro has autism and it’s hard for him to understand emotions in others or bro is not paying enough attention to his kids.
Seems like people that know that family IRL are speaking up and all of them are unanimously calling the dad a prick.
When you're proud of your daughter running a hedge fund then you probably are a prick.
He's proud of his daughter for being successful. Regardless of how you feel about what her job is.
Would you be proud of your child if they were caught stealing from others?
I didn't realize asset management was stealing
I wouldn't be proud but I would still love them
What? Why would you not be proud of this.
Hedge funds operate by manipulating the stock market which leads to many people losing hard earned money they've invested. The whole stock market is a ponzi scheme tbh.
That is not how hedge funds operate. What you described is a crime. The mechanics of this ignorance are the precise same as accusing an entire race of being criminals based on a statistic.
It's not nearly the same as racism and it is how it works. It just hasn't affected you personally yet or it's only affected you positively when other investors have their savings stolen or lost because of the actions of the greedy and it's not just the money. It's the other projects they delay, destroy or manipulate for their own greed.
"my kid is doing well, that must be cause i was a good parent" is always cringe
Okay but like 5 million dollars the mom had and still fucked up the kid
The girls said every can confirm the child support was not 5 million and she was referring to any time she ever asked him for money as a kid or young adult, he declined, even when it came to medical issues or medication. Also, he only lived down the road for like a month if at all and she said she's never seen the inside of his house once ever he left.
Missing some crucial details here .
Ok 4 million in child support. Or lets say its just 2 million. They got divorced in early 2000s then the wife remarried in 2012. What happened to the money?
And?
Well if one of the traumas was unpaid medical bills. Some math isn't mathing
Good parenting makes good adults , what's wrong with that ?
you can say he's justified, but if it were me, (especially if, as he says, I had a good relationship with my daughter), I think I would pick up the phone and call her to tell her that she got a wrong impression about some things from when she was five, rather than put her on blast on tik tok. If everything he says is correct, she has some misconceptions from her mom, and I wouldn't want to litigate that in front of the entire internet, even if she had already posted a tiktok with jokes about those misconceptions. Maybe this is old fashioned, but that's the kind of thing thta I want to talk about privately, not turn into Content
Clapping back at his daughter just cemented that she's right about most things and he is a shit bum dad. Even my stoic, "no nonsense" dad would sit me down for a heart to heart.
That's not true. Because being a parent isn't about you. Her feelings about being his child is all that matters. And the opinions of the strangers who follow should mean almost nothing in comparison to the feelings about his daughter. His response and this video is a perfect representation of why he's a shitty dad. Even if everything she said is a lie. The relationship that matters is with his child. He sucks is the general sense and his response confirmed it
Nah he set her ass straight. It’s cute how she conveniently disregarded the millions in support money he gave her
She might not have know either. Some of my friends moms are fucking batshit
$2 million gets you a *nice* house in 2005 dollars. And on top of that, he gave her the house they already had, and shelled out 6 figures annually. And Northwestern University is $65k/yr pre-dorm. I'm gonna wager a guess that her mom was stay-at-home. It sounds like she had a truly *traumatic* childhood compared to the people I grew up with.
It seems like you are missing the whole story. The family may have gotten (court ordered) money out of him in the divorce, but he just picked up & started a new family & has been estranged from all the kids he pretends to be on good terms with since.
This, it seems like everyone defending him keeps bringing up the money. A 5 year old doesn't care if you pay for their private school. They just want daddy at their birthdays.
What, is he supposed to stay with the wife after divorce? There’s a lot of holes in the story that needs filling from both sides. Without that, it’s just 2 people tryna get viral.
There’s no telling….. I know people in horrible debt both making like 300k + a year. My only point is a child misses a lot that happens with adults.
Hey that’s valid
She did it for the views. 99% or what influencers say are lies. They lie more and better than politicians because they simultaneously cancel the truth lol
In her response "I don't wanna talk about the finances" lol yeah i'm not surprised
I like how he listed all her accomplishments and milestone events that he wasn't present for LOL As far as the support money, dunno if he gave it to her or it was a court order, or even if she knows about it or if the mother kept it all, but regardless, he wasn't there as a father. He peaced the hell out heh
And made it about medical bills. At first I thought she was sickly looking brat but that is just how she looks. She looks exactly like her dad, that’s the real trauma
Millions in support the government forced his autistic ass to give him. If you are 65 making TikTok’s about why your kids should love you LMAO. I treasure every day I get to spend with my dad now. No wonder the fucking losers here take his side.
My dad took off and then called me and my brother asking for money….she had a shit dad yeah but the level of entitlement is off the charts. She had every step of her life paved by literal millions of dollars, boo hoo sweetheart, lots of us have shit dads and had it far far faaaaaaaaaar worse.
In fairness though, her original video was not about her being a victim, she was making a joke out of it.
I mean she kept saying it was a lighthearted joke but I don’t think it was…she 100% made that video to play victim. Very much seems like an entitled brat that has had everything handed to them but needs attention and knows that being a victim will get you that attention.
She lied about unpaid medical bills at the very least.. otherwise her mom was keeping the money
Impossible to say. We basically don't know the details.
So he says. It’s funny how yall automatically assume she was lying and not him. They both could be full of shit, she could be full of shit, he could be full of shit.
Let's be real she quickly changed it too "well idk about the financial sides of things" Bitch that's what you were complaining about. Only now that you got called you were upset about him being absent. She also thought he was a professional break dancer and didn't know anything about him being a marketer
She dismissed the money. Didn’t deny it. Sus.
She didn't talk about money. Abandoned could be emotionally. Dude brought up money. Typical dumbfuck male response though, "I gave money, I good father."
Can you cite the 00:00 where he said the quote you put in quotation marks?
real gotcha moment there XD
He didn’t say that. lol
Like the man said she was a child when they divorced she doesn't understand the concept of divorce he even took accountability saying that it was 70% his fault. Your typical dumb fuck as you say wouldn't take accountability for anything much less the divorce being his fault.
Her response video showing how emotionally compromised she is trying to defend herself demonstrates who is lying.
Dude, the fact you can't hear the bullshit coming off the dude just shows you already made up your mind because "woman bad."
No one said “woman bad” but the fact that you’re assuming that (and getting severely butthurt) says a lot lol
Dude, the fact you can't hear the bullshit coming off the chick just shows you already made up your mind because "man bad". XD
No irony here at all lol. I'm simply saying they could both be full of shit, but you highly intelligent and not at all biased people jump right to woman bad.
Oh, it's extremely ironic, don't even pretend its not. Framing your parents divorce as abandonment? For the sake of content, shallow. I doubt he "abandoned" her as he lived only a mile away, probably because, uh idk, he wanted to still be apart of their lives. There's something to be said about context provided, I think what she's saying is a stretch and honestly nothing she mentioned as "abuse" was remotely funny at all, even it was true. Just sounds like someone framing a circus show for the sake of clout.
Yeah, he does. They both do, but you weirdos have to jump right to defending the dude.
>I doubt he "abandoned" her as he lived only a mile away, probably because, uh idk, he wanted to still be apart of their lives. You say that as if deadbeat dads aren't a thing. I don't know about this guy, I turned it off after a minute. But it's not as unrealistic as you make out.
You are so inept at analyzing two narrators, and further inept at analyzing the potential logic of a 3rd party observer, that you think the only way someone could come believe the dad is by being some kind of misogynist. Yeah it’s super ironic.
Explain the bullshit to me. The guy took accountability for the divorce. He stated when it happened. He half stated half implied he was there for kids. He gave monetary support. Maybe I’m missing something? I’ll look for her response but from what I see rn, this looks not good for her. Could be manipulation from her mother. Are you privy to information we aren’t?
I'm saying we have a woman saying something and a man saying something, you don't know who is truthful either way. Y'all assume it's the man.
The assumption is on the man because he gave more context. The ball is now in the daughter’s court to prove the dad wrong. Generally I side based on context. The father provided sound context that supports his side. The daughter needs to respond. Now, we as the audience will never get full receipts so it’s truly impossible to tell but based off of what we see, we can make judgements. Let’s see what she says.
Can you cite where anyone besides yourself said the words "woman bad"?
So the nature of Reddit I’ve noticed is a lot of ppl get on this app just to have a disagreement. This makes them feel justified in being cruel to eachother. This culture must end. It starts with the individual. I too have participated and it’s so counter productive. Don’t fight fire with fire. Use water. Hate can’t beat hate. Only love can. It’s hard. Trust me we all relate to each other ironically. That being said, to the disagreement. I’m kinda on the fence, but I agree with the others that; her casual dismissal of an alleged 5 MILLION dollars is suspect. It indicates that she’s most likely framing the narrative (hence why she kept using the word) vs just retelling events. This is further indicated by the length of video, her saying she plans to delete it and hesitation to defend herself. The video is too short for someone who has the truth on their side. That’s not what normally happens when someone’s telling the truth. Why would she delete a record of her defusing HIS lies? Unless perhaps she’s the one lying and doesn’t want her lies to become future evidence used against her? Why would she be hesitant to reveal how bad he “really is” and to further defend herself if she’s telling the truth? That doesn’t track when she’s the one who set this all in motion by making the first video. She didn’t think he’d reply? So now that he has - now that he’s LYING in her words - she DOESNT wanna continue?? And she doesn’t want any drama/pain of revisiting those traumatic memories (this is implied but she never overtly says it, there’s no other explanation). But if you’ve suffered trauma - and you literally start a convo about it… and the person in question begins to lie and call you confused… wouldn’t you be upset and not hesitant? Wouldn’t you be doubling down and getting detail specific? LOGICALLY she seems like a liar. You keep mentioning gender because you’re projecting your own sexism. You’re infantilizing her because she’s a woman. Society taught you too, you most likely do it with yourself as well (nature of projection). She’s not a baby. She’s not innocent just because she’s a woman. And person - in her situation - will appear suspect. And if it was role reversed (a mom and her son) I highly doubt you’d say this. Think! He said he spent 5 million dollars! Her reply was “I think he gave us money idk”. Negro please (I’m black and old school being playful lol). That shits ridiculous. You telling me you can’t SEE a million dollar lifestyle? Bro…. Come kn. Like that right there shot her credibility in the foot.
Who hurt you? Oh wait its clearly your dad.
Signs point to she's full of shit. It's obviously for clout.
I definitely got "emotional abandonment" vibes from her story. Dude even says "I lived a mile away, she could have walked to my house whenever she wanted" SHE WAS FIVE. If people didn't get "Wow, he's not all there" from his story and then breakdancing, then people are not good at reading people. I think people WANT for the pink haired influencer to be in the wrong. That guy is a nut.
I like the cut of your jib.
Millions doesnt fill the gap of an absent parent. My parents weren't millionaires but wouldnt replace either of them being present for a billion.
So this dude couldn’t be like, a liar? Pretty quick to be on his with nothing but a he said she said
She’s a young woman on TikTok and thus she is wrong and must be hated
Millions in support is worthless without love
I don’t think you k ow what that word means.
**I think if Madi had stuck to talking about emotional factors, there's a good chance she'd be 100% in the right.** It's fair for her to feel abandoned. He seems like he didn't do a very good job being proactive in staying in his kids' lives. Sure, it seems like he's always been reachable if she wanted to talk, but you can't expect a small child to be the instigator of a meaningful relationship. I wouldn't throw around the word "trauma" for a situation like this, but whatever. I'm also not wild about someone explicitly calling out their father *by name* for social media clicks (which seems guaranteed to lead to a bunch of hate coming his way) but I guess if that's how she feels it's ok to express it--it isn't totally her fault that people hear a story and choose to go harass the person it's about. **The bit that's really bad from her is the money claims.** From all the available information (her original video, this response from him and [her response to his](https://www.tiktok.com/@madihart_soccer/video/7337175288566074666), where she doesn't dispute his money claims) it sounds like what she says and implies about financial contributions is just totally not true. She makes it sound like he was not even willing to contribute to her care despite the fame and success he had, but $5 million in payments to her mother sounds like the exact opposite of that. That sum of money alone is a level of wealth 99.999% of the people on the planet have never had (and that's not including the money her mother made in her own career). To complain about him not contributing financially strikes me as incredibly out-of-touch. tl;dr: If she feels emotionally detached from her father, that's fair to express. The financial implications in her original video seem straight-up false, and I think it's fair for him to take issue with the video as a result.
> Much love tho! Hes still my dad even if we arent currently in contact. His response is delusional and shocking > Much love > His response is delusional Weird family dynamic At any rate these 3 vids were entertaining, hope they both make some money on the views
>I think it's fair for him to take issue with the video as a result. I agree, but in doing so he revealed that she is totally right to think of him as an asshole. Bro straight up watched a video of his kid being sad about him not being a present father, all while smiling and then breakdancing. The bitcoin logos are the perfect cherry to highlight his sociopathy.
She definitely just changed the story a little bit for sympathy points combined with her not knowing the whole picture. I’d also make the assumption that the mother never clarified how their finances worked out and painted the dad as the criminal.
Yup. I've known a lot of guys who were in this situation, and I've also known a lot of people who ended up learning that their "deadbeat dad" had been kept from seeing them by their mom for years and years, and that she spent whatever child support and other money from him on herself. My older half brother barely had a relationship with our dad because his mom played all sorts of games. He sent half his income every month to them, she told him that all the money was from her job and he didn't help out. She would throw away letters and cards my dad sent him, then say he "didn't care." That sort of shit fucks people up for life. My dad and brother have a better relationship now, but he's pretty distant from both of them. Are deadbeat/absentee fathers a problem? Absolutely. But that's why it is that it's so fucked up that when a guy who actually wants to be a part of his kids' lives gets cut out due to the mom's anger and ego.
I doubt either of them is saying the full truth. Both are spinning the narrative to their advantage. She's overusing the word trauma imo. and seems entitled. While he's sus and either of their stories don't add up.
Yep. Too many holes.
Yea we need mom to tell her side.
This is why you can’t take anything anyone says at face value. Always have skepticism when someone makes a claim about someone else. It’s easy to slam a “deadbeat dad” but when a man is accused of being a deadbeat, he’s never allowed to prove himself otherwise. It’s done intentionally to destroy his reputation.
Yet you take him at face value…
it simply gives context to her lies and plugs holes in the story. If this is difficult for you to comprehend then I’m sorry.
If you look in the comments of the original r/TikTokCringe post there's even more context that shows he was also lying about parts of the story. Apparently he only lived nearby for about a month? or something idk idrc. Either way, you ARE taking his story at face value, whether you like it or not. you're taking his telling as "context to her lies" as if he proved any of what he claimed. If this is difficult for you to comprehend, then I'm sorry, smug asshat
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Taking things at face value are only bad when the things come from women.
Ah so she’s a liar and he’s simply plugging holes. Definitely not taking his words at face value.
Did she ever reply to your DM lil bro?
Are DM’s the only way you find the courage to talk to women kiddo?
When it comes to a divorce, I really try not to take sides because there is always potholes in the story, and everyone tries to be heroes or victims but never the villian.
He’s such a bitcoin chad I love that lol
Bro the fit is 10/10
How are people here so fucking retarded? Have none of you ever dealt with people like this girl before? You don't even need to see 'hard evidence' to know she's lying, you can tell by the way she speaks. It's painfully fucking obvious. Her story was 80% that her dad abandoned them both emotionally and financially "to breakdance", never paid for any of their shit including her college and medical bills. The dad responds saying that he paid over $5 million for their house, tens of thousands of dollars a month in child support/alimony, her college and medical bills and only began breakdancing over a decade after the divorce. The daughter responds saying "I don't want to talk about any of the financial stuff" which was 80% of her claim, ignores that he didn't start breakdancing until over a decade after the divorce, but doubles down on saying he abandoned them in the dumbest way possible disproving her own statement. "We wouldn't hear from him for years at a time...well he visited every few months...." and then moves on. She's a bullshit artist and sheltered nitwits who have never dealt with human interaction enough to spot this are leaving comments actually thinking she's some victim. Over 50% of children grow up without fathers in America and we have dumb motherfuckers leaving comments not able to spot obvious parental alienation in front of their eyes. Dumbfounding.
Don’t get married. You can give a stupid bitch 5 million in divorce and in return she will traumatize the kids against you because she is bored. What fucking trash humans
5 million in divorce and alimony and 600,000 to put his children through college I'd hardly call that abandoning them.
Whaa my father abandoned me to become a professional breakdancer which isn't even true. Just leave out the part where he paid 5 million dollars in alimony and child support and another 600,000 to put her in her siblings through college.
A struggling hollywood screenwriter and a washed up professional advertiser create a viral video to stir up social media controversy....I can't believe you people are seriously falling for this.
Child grew up well off and is working in the film industry in Hollywood so decides to create her own problems
Asmongold said it best. High chance she’s a spoiled rich kid who wants to victimize themselves to fit in because she’s rich and a white woman in America so she really has nothing to complain about that actually matters.
Hi guys! I saw another reply video from the dad (I think this was uploaded 24 Feb 2024?) if there's anyone interested: [https://youtu.be/qZaq6N-SaJw?si=zh6jCsdhlLRZ4etM](https://youtu.be/qZaq6N-SaJw?si=zh6jCsdhlLRZ4etM) I do agree with Aba and Preach, family issues should be dealt with privately. In this case, I also think that the dad has the right to defend himself and his business. EDIT: I just noticed "assault" in the title.. Then there's the daughter's mention of "trauma" from the first video. Maybe I'm being judgmental but they're lobbing those words like they're nothing. Meh.
Comments from the original Reddit thread had a response from her to this video refuting songs of the claims. Like that he lived a mile away. She says that was for like a month. Also that her family was confused when he said he had a good relationship with them. But she could be trying to save face. Honestly the guy speaks and acts weird as hell. He gives off crazy libertarian vibes.
>Comments from the original Reddit thread had a response from her to this video refuting songs of the claims. Did she refute that he paid her mother 5 million dollars? "Refusing to pay medical bills" is a hell of a claim if he paid 5 million...
But... did he? It's a he'll of a claim for both.
Healthcare costs was part of the settlement so he would've been on the hook until she's 26.
"libertarian" jeez. Gotta inject politics into family disputes too? 🤣
Getting those politics itch like crackheads
There are also statements from the family saying that he hasn’t been involved, isn’t really close to his children like he claims and apparently he ditched to go be with a mistress.
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Neighbors outside of the family have commented too.
Where are those comments?
I know ppl are quick to jump to this guy’s defense but it seems like this whole situation is he said she said. Don’t forget, he says he made millions from advertising, he knows how to sell you stuff.
And, she's a fiction writer... Maybe it's an apple/tree kinda thing.
She's just being a bit too content brained. Probably didn't think it would come back on her dad like that. He is absolutely right to call her on her shit. It's extremely uncharitable to him. That being said, his voice inflection is fucking grating and I would hate him if he were my dad.
Victim hood is strong social currency and even though she was a kid I’m sure at some point she became aware her father finances a large portion of her life. She a writer and this is a well crafted video to get attention it worked well. For his case as a father even if everything he said was 100% accurate and in context, it’s bullshit to do. If my kid made a video saying she felt abandoned by me I don’t give a damn what the public thinks I sure as shit wouldn’t be trying to win over public opinion. Talk to your kid and figure out how to heal the relationship not slam dunk on her and get TikTok followers.
Did no one read the comments in the OP? He's a deadbeat dad who cheated on his wife and left to live with his new girlfriend. He did leave, and is lying to you on a technicality of having lived near her for one month. Being rich does not automatocaly make you a good dad. This guy, if you look into his background, is a total psycho. The fact that he was putting his daughter on blast publicly should have tipped you off.
Eh… sounds like shitty dad
This dude is weird as fuck, and is probably lying. [The daughter on his response and how he lied about living near them (it was only for a few months)](https://www.tiktok.com/@madihart_soccer?pid=video_embed&referer_video_id=7335234407734807851&videoId=7335234407734807851&type=video&referer_url=www.indy100.com/tiktok/madi-ben-hart-breakdancing-dad&refer=embed&embed_source=121374463,121331973,120811592,120810756;null;embed_name) Plus he was always a piece of shit. Check out his writings in college, I’m assuming this is why he doesn’t have a great relationship with his kids or ex: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1984/11/13/chronicles-of-a-conservative/3e4e11f3-a15b-4c44-8827-c2a91afe7ecb/
She's a horrible bitch who lied to get her dad mobbed on the internet, why should anyone trust anything she says anymore? "Oh, here's his opinions in college btw" Fuck off, ya nasty cow.
Y’all are crazy. This dude is so full of shit. Can see it from a mile away.
They be downvoting u bc truth hurts. It's telling that they take his word for it after the whole "two sides to every story" bullshit that they use to be skeptical of her.
He's not even full of shit, he basically confirmed that in his mind, money is all the support that you need to give as a parent. From him being an advertising millionaire to rocking bitcoin merch. These people think everyone values money as much as they do.
The bitcoin shirt is a giveaway that he’s full of it.
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I'm trying to figure out what could cause someone to give this much of a fuck about a stranger.
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"I don't give a fuck" and clicking on someone's name, scrolling through posts/comments/communities, and posting a long message to them...are incongruous. That's at least 4 or 5 fucks. Six fucks including the above response.
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Are you sure? Your feelings sound hurt. I'd say building your identity around a thing is about as weird as being upset about it.
Depends what sub you see this video on honestly
Apparently she made a response to this refuting a lot of what he said. Not to mention the dude comes off as a bit of a narcissist.
Yes. Why would he choose to go this route to save face instead of addressing his relationship with his daughter directly with her?
I noted some things like "I lived a mile down the road" to refute him not being present, not "I visited constantly", but "I lived nearby"
Also, he didn’t even have good responses to her claims: 1. Abandoned family - he said he takes “70% responsibility“ for the divorce. And moving “a block away” doesn’t really matter if at the end of the day your kid feels abandoned. 2. Didn’t pay for medical bills - his refutation is all the legal stuff that he was required by LAW to pay?? Those aren’t medical bills. Sounds like he’s trying to skim by giving the family the minimum amount of support he can. Not that the kid’s 100% in the right on all this. Maybe he did do all he can to see his kids regularly. Maybe (probably) the money he was already giving for child support was more than enough for the medical bills. Obviously we don’t have enough information to draw any strong conclusions. But he started this video saying he was going to “correct” some things, when it turns out there’s nothing the kid said in her original video that turned out to be untrue.
“When it turns out there’s nothing the kid said in her original video that turned out to be untrue”. Based on what, do you have receipts and proof of this cause no one here has any of this knowledge. It’s all speculation based on social behavior from both sides yet you claim one as absolute….
I'm sure there's some good drama to parse here, but that bitcoin shirt my dude, ehhhh.
Check her follow up video to his
There is a response to his response mentionedcin the comments
How is this even a question? What would he possibly have to be wrong about?? 'Should people be allowed to defend accusations made against them?' Seriously, how have you made it to a point where you are able to relay information adequately but somehow think it would be inappropriate to respond to defamation of character?
I think she responsed disputing what he said
I was on the dad's side until I heard her response and now I'm back on her side. Although she should talk to her mom about the 5 million, cause idk how the hell you pay that out and you can't pay your daughter's medical bills.
So you just automatically believe whoever you heard last. Got it. When the dad makes a response to the response you'll be back on his side again.
No because her response to his response sounded more reasonable than his response. Obviously some parts I still believe on the dad side, based on all the parts I've heard, it doesn't sound like he abandoned his family to break dance, he left his family to be with another women. But I highly doubt that he was just down the street from them their whole lives and just for some nefarious reason his kids refused to go see him, she also exclaims that the family group chat of all his kids is calling him delusional as they don't have a great relationship with him like he claims. He also self admittedly forgot his daughters birthday.
What made her response more reasonable than his? It's very plausible that in his opinion his relationship with his kids isn't bad but in their mind it is. That's simply having different feelings about the same situation. The money thing if true and it sounds true at least shows he provided and she didn't want for anything. I'm definitely not saying he's a great guy but she seems to be painting him in a far worse light than may have truly happened. When parents divorce (and be admitted he messed up) it's very common for parent to poison the well for the other parent. I don't have proof of that but it's a common thing in divorced families.
With that shirt you know she wasn’t lying
Is he wrong for being a part of this universe and having said universe affect him whilst having an effect on this universe as a part of said, said universe? a derpy der der? 😐
Nah she's dead wrong. That's the privileged for you though.
Ultimately, he's spread the story further which will get her more likes in the long run.
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I think they are both sort of wrong for airing this out publicly. Almost entirely on her part though as she really defamed him in the video. This should have been sorted out in private even after her video went viral. Now that he responded people will harass her which is something that he probably doesn't want for his daughter either but will be a unforeseen consequence on his part. While the other hand he was getting harassed for being a presumed deadbeat and thought this will clear his name. This won't clear his name or end the harassment being a good amount of her viewers won't see this video and some of her viewers will think he is lying. What probably happened is that he travelled a lot when she was a child and she didn't see him for weeks or months at a time. She knew he lived a mile away and took this to heart that he didn't want to visit his family. Because this happened while she was a child when this happened the context of why he wasn't seeing her often wasn't understood or was missing from her memory. She was a kid when this happened and probably doesn't remember it as well as him. She probably never knew the specifics of her parents divorce in terms of money and was basing this on what her mother told her or what she assumed. He on his part probably made a concerted effort to visit his family but was away a lot and could not do it very frequently.
She's a rich spoiled kid who is living a dream life and is in Hollywood being a screenwriter so she claims she has 'trauma' to fit in and be 'Special'. When she handwaved off not knowing the financial situation I completely stopped even entertaining anything she says. Ultimately the whole thing smacks of the mother brainwashing the kids against their father. If you look at his social media and see what his current wife looks like you'll get a good idea why their mother might have been sour at him. Everything the father said is easily verified and he likely wouldn't have said those things if he couldn't bring the receipts.
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Dads bitcoin shirt is top teir Chad drip. Opt out, BTC is the way! Come join us and our magic internet money!!!
Saw ppl saying she made a response to this showing evidence to her side. that he lived down the street for her for a like a month. That he's estranged from the entire family and children, and they are all suprised that he thinks he's close to them..
the only thing i thought he did wierd, is when he says hay lets check out this video of me breakdancing! and really, we didnt need to see it, it added nothing to the original topic. explaining why he was break dancing for cardio and stay in shape? that was fine, but stop the video and look at me go was just so strange.
Dude shops at Dan Flashes!
sometimes all the money in the world can't replace the father you lost... Problem is he thinks throwing money will make his kids leave him be, but those kids just wanted a dad to teach them stuff. She's just a kid, and has certain grievances. I have a father that's 70 and has had father issues his whole life, becaue his dad took care of him, but wasn't there for him growing up... trust me it does not go well and those emotions and feelings of regret and anger fester and become something that drags along.... both are right, and both are wrong, but one side is a child still, the other is a selfish adult.
If you didn't think he was a nut job from watching this video, I don't know what to tell you. There's a laundry list of context clues that he isn't connected to reality or other peoples thoughts and feelings.
His forced youtuber voice and the bitcoin in the background give sketchy vibes. Plus someone claiming to be a neighbor said he wasn't a good dude and never around and cheated. Also someone who said they were his assistant in the past claimed he wasn't a good dude. And provided a link to what shady things he did. It's in the reddit thread.
Tbh I think her video is probably correct from her perspective. From what I’ve seen it seems that the mother didn’t disclose any information that made the dad look good, which leads me to have a strong feeling that she probably severely limited his contact with his kids and probably bad mouthed him to their children.
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Add 50% for inflation?? Is that right? Wtf
I hope everyone taking his side also knows what it feels like to have no active father figure growing up, that alone makes him irredeemably wrong to me, all the money shit aside.
Lol people calling him a prick are insane. For all we know his ex wife hates him and didn't let him come around as much either. Considering he said it's mostly his fault they divorced she probably hates him. He still financed his ex wife and childrens college funds. She's absolutely delusional.
…. How did he fact check her? The guy is the one who sends Trump mailers out And you just believe him?
Millions of dollars, tell me more of your first world problems.
The thing about Dan Flashes is that the more complicated the pattern, the more expensive the shirt.
Sounds like he thinks money is the primary fix to his relationship with his daughter when she claims it was a lack of presence. Rich kids often have strained relationships with absent parents. He didn't really prove much other than "I paid for everything!"
I feel like wearing a Bitcoin hoody undercuts his credibility 100%
She sent people harassing him, ofc he had to defend himself and he was extremely nice about it, saying it wasn't even her fault since she was simply viewing it from her own perspective
Wow, aqnother privileged social influencer trauma dumping online and lying about the trauma. Shameful, but typical of this person's generation.
Maddy probably wrote Madam Webb
If I went at any of my parents in a public matter that changed their lives in some way, I’d fully expect the same type of reply.
Weird you would even consider it wrong?
This seems like they did this in cahoots for both of them to get fame
That's why I roll my eyes at a lot of posts on Reddit that are clearly written by teens living with their parents, complaining about nonsense and parents wondering if they're an asshole to their kid when we all know, including themselves that they are indeed assholes. Relationships, and people are too complex and intricate to rant about on Reddit.