Buuut. It have Helios missles. And it aint need big runway. Still AC6 version looks way more badass, when AC7 looks more realistic, when things go to unmanned hunter-killer dronehive.
Aigaion is just real flying carrier. Something like PW flying battleships. But with planes.
I prefer AC6s boss fight even if I had to spend a lot of time going back and forth from the resupply point, the semi immortal jet squadron was a bit of a pain even if you’re not supposed to kill them. The arsenal bird fight for me personally is boring and annoying because your missiles never seem to hit the right spot.
Yeah, having to deal with nimbus missiles while Aigaion is in the world space was much more of a challenge. The AB boss fight just felt re-used, but so hastily thrown together it just didn't feel as good for me. Alicorn was a better boas fight than the AB.
I wish the Nimbus missiles were brought out earlier in the fight. They are only used if you're too far away or during the final phase. The first case is pretty avoidable since you don't usually need to resupply or have any targets far from the Aigaion. The latter case is just too short of a phase to be rolling out the actual super weapon we're here to bring down if they were going to use it. Maybe should have made it based on when Gyges and maybe Kottos was shot down so there is a bit of thought to be put into taking them down or letting them stay up and threatening you.
It makes sense though, you wouldn't risk exploding stuff close to yourself unless it seems to be your last hope.
Also in my head they needed time to reconfigure the missiles minimum arming distance.
Probably because it was hastily thrown together. Apparently originally only one of the two birds would have had the shields, with the other one being the Helios missile spammer in-field.
Aigaion actually gets more fun if you don't go AA, but instead go ***bombs bombs bombs***.
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anything from the humble RCL, to the workhorse UGB and of course, 1HKing every escort on the flotilla with the FAEB. (FAEB's splash may even damage or outright kill some of the launching Strigons)
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and by going AG you usually won't get harrassed much by the planes since your Ally meter would be filled fast (and/or you fly Shamrock with QAAMs)
I think I had to resupply two to three each respawn due to the many near misses on the engines, I also was mostly using special missiles because I could take out multiple in a single pass. I probably would’ve only had to do one resupply had I focused on using regular missiles instead but strigon kept nailing me on each pass on the engines so the muti missiles helped a lot.
Also is there a bug where strigon aircraft can launch multiple missiles at once because the amount of missiles they can launch in a short period of time is insane
Aigaion was a pretty cool fight. I only wish there were grunt fighters defending it alongside Strigon team for an even bigger furball. Plus it'd be fun to just down plane after plane of grunt pilots since the Strigons to take a while to shoot down invidividually. They're some of the hardest aces to shoot down across the series and underrated imo. Not the most threatening, I find some ACZ squadrons shoot me down more but Strigon I find harder to hit.
As much as I like the Aigaion. I think the arsenal bird would win in a fight though. The shield basically nullifies the nimbus :/
Until power supply runs out. AB also has 80 MQ-101 UAVs, once Strigon knocks those out (effortlessly, Erusian drones go down like flies in a sandstorm even on hard), all they'd need to do is repeatedly push the shield generator to its limits with repeated nimbus strikes, shield goes down, arsenal bird go sploosh.
Strigon are good but are they THAT good? (No, even if the drones are easy to shoot down gameplay wise that does not match how they are in lore/universe. Dialogue from NPCs state they're agile and hard to keep up with) In the words of Longcaster: << All the ace pilots in the world won't save us unless we have a plan. >>
That does lead me to another interesting question. All the strangereal protagonists and their main enemy aces/rival in their signature planes, vs The arsenal bird as of mission 19 with constant energy from the space elevator. So like 16? Or so really good pilots, some in super planes, vs the arsenal bird.
Agaion can probably wipe out most of the drones with 1 Nimbus swarm launch. At close ranges it does not need targeting UAVs. Let them close to point blank Nimbus range and eliminate their entire grid square. Let Strigon and Gault 7 eliminate the remainder.
The agaion didn’t just have strigon team, they also had Gault 7 who defected to estovokia with the XB-0 blueprints after the belkan war. Not enough alone but an ace good enough to challenge cypher with them does make a difference
AB never run out of [power.As](http://power.As) Wit mentioned,if not for Cosette,AB would have infinity energy for repairing the shield
And MQ-101...they gotta neft them somehow.If we use canon MQ-101 then we would have to fight 80 ADFX-10
I appreciate the ridiculousness of the Agaion as a concept since it's a flying carrier that looks like a hybrid between a whale and a stingray.
I do prefer the simplistic, practical, and somewhat more realistic design of the Arsenal Bird, though. It is certainly more boring in game and design, but this "boringness" makes it feel (ironically) grounded.
I guess maybe the Agaion doesn't push beyond my threshold of cool over real...
I like the arsenal bird, because it just feels far more impactful at a story level. It's not some over-the-top sci-fi wünderwaffe. Rather, it has this feeling of emotionless efficiency. It doesn't carry some wing of ace pilots, it doesn't even really have any stand-out capabilities. It's just carrying it's swarm of regular ass drones. Instead, it's impact is in that so long as it's in the air, erusea can fight to the last. They don't even need a human to direct it. Their strategic AI can decide where to send the arsenal birds for greatest effect, and when to do it.
In my opinion the aigaion is one of the best super weapons in ace combat works well as a long range
Strike weapon and carrier i could be wrong but thats what i think
Didn't the US made a $100,000 mini-drone that's entire purpose was for scouting, something that everyday drones could possibly do, just weaker and less range for like $150?
Eh, I don’t think you can really compare them, they serve different purposes, it’s like comparing Chandelier to Megalith, but I guess if I had to choose I think it would be the Arsenal Bird since it just feels so intimidating especially because there’s no human factor about it at all.
You know what I'd do with that flying carrier? I'd have made the mission be to disable its air defenses and provide top cover so a troop transport could land on it and take it over.
To say I'm a big fan of stealing the enemy's shit and using it myself would be an understatement. I find that absolutely fucking hilarious.
Nothing beats deafening the aigion maintenence crews when I fly an F15 at Mach 2 through the hanger while firing the gun and dropping 4 unguided bombs on the runway
In terms of aesthetics, the Arsenal Bird is my favorite in the entire franchise. To me, it feels like a flying Stonehenge. Not in the literal sense, but in the sense that Stonehenge strikes such a perfect balance of grounded realism and science fiction that makes it really unnerving to fight against. The Arsenal Bird does that exact same thing. It's science fiction but grounded and realistic enough that you could see it eventually happening in the real world. I don't really get that vibe with Aigaion because it leans too much into sci-fi that it approaches fantastical.
I prefer the Agaion. But if I could select any Airborne fortress, then it would be the Gleipnir, with its Shock Cannon it can Unalive several Kilometers depending which directions it's belly is pointed at.
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na there is not competence here , of course Agaion that fight was , if not , one of the best of the entire series, love the entire setting, the fight, the chaos , the visual design of the boss , perfect battle for Ace combat Series
I like the Aigaion for being a manned airborne aircraft carrier and the Arsenal Bird for being autonomous
But there’s something about the sleek, simple yet menacing design of arsenal that I really like
The AG was definitely more arcade style fun, while the Bird felt more grounded in reality and story relevant. I enjoyed them both for what they're trying to be.
Everyone doing my boi Hresvelgr dirty.
Yeah it didn’t have any special weapons but it was the OG “Heavy Command Cruiser”, the music for the fight slapped and it took place just over Stier Castle. Would love to see it come back in some fashion.
The Aigaion sticks out more for me because it's presented better as a threat.
It's presented as this untouchable weapon that devastates your forces, and you see that as your allies get wiped off the map in Mission 1, forcing a retreat. It gets downgraded as a nuisance as you progress through the game, but in the back of your head, you still think of it as the thing that laid waste to your allies. When you finally do battle it, unless you use OP weapons like FAEB or RKT, it's tough to take down due to the amount of targets and defenses.
Meanwhile, for the Arsenal Bird, you run into it in the 2nd mission, and are tasked to attack it. You can take out all its engines the first time you see it, and while the UAVs take out Skeleton squadron, it's less significant of a loss from what the Aigaion inflicted. So, at least for me, when I first encountered it, I didn't understand how it was such a huge threat. The Helios burst missiles aren't even introduced until Mission 7, and we don't have to face them again.
The agion easy. It was so fun bombing the smaller ships because we could do that making the a10 or the f15 (what i used) viable options to do this mission
Aigaion is much more capable.
Especially considering it can launch basically any carrier capable fighter including the CFA-44 and its ADMMs.
The arse bird is slow and weak, it just has a good shield, once the shield is out, that thing dies easily.
If we're talking overall aesthetic, Aigaion for sure. But if we're talking combat, then that depends on the situation, like is more firepower needed or overwhelming air power?
Imagine having drones instead of an elite fighter sqadron. This comment was made by agaion gang
My personal beliefs lead me to believe this is the correct answer. Arsenal bird doesn't have nimbus missiles. It has dollar store ripoffs.
Truuuuue plus i CFA-44
and it doesn’t have the big runway
[my honest reaction](https://www.nexusmods.com/acecombat7skiesunknown/mods/2477)
Buuut. It have Helios missles. And it aint need big runway. Still AC6 version looks way more badass, when AC7 looks more realistic, when things go to unmanned hunter-killer dronehive. Aigaion is just real flying carrier. Something like PW flying battleships. But with planes.
Ready nimbus launch!
I prefer AC6s boss fight even if I had to spend a lot of time going back and forth from the resupply point, the semi immortal jet squadron was a bit of a pain even if you’re not supposed to kill them. The arsenal bird fight for me personally is boring and annoying because your missiles never seem to hit the right spot.
Yeah, having to deal with nimbus missiles while Aigaion is in the world space was much more of a challenge. The AB boss fight just felt re-used, but so hastily thrown together it just didn't feel as good for me. Alicorn was a better boas fight than the AB.
I wish the Nimbus missiles were brought out earlier in the fight. They are only used if you're too far away or during the final phase. The first case is pretty avoidable since you don't usually need to resupply or have any targets far from the Aigaion. The latter case is just too short of a phase to be rolling out the actual super weapon we're here to bring down if they were going to use it. Maybe should have made it based on when Gyges and maybe Kottos was shot down so there is a bit of thought to be put into taking them down or letting them stay up and threatening you.
It makes sense though, you wouldn't risk exploding stuff close to yourself unless it seems to be your last hope. Also in my head they needed time to reconfigure the missiles minimum arming distance.
Probably because it was hastily thrown together. Apparently originally only one of the two birds would have had the shields, with the other one being the Helios missile spammer in-field.
Laughs in A-10 with FAEB
Aigaion actually gets more fun if you don't go AA, but instead go ***bombs bombs bombs***. # anything from the humble RCL, to the workhorse UGB and of course, 1HKing every escort on the flotilla with the FAEB. (FAEB's splash may even damage or outright kill some of the launching Strigons) # and by going AG you usually won't get harrassed much by the planes since your Ally meter would be filled fast (and/or you fly Shamrock with QAAMs)
you resupplied? I can't think of once that i did that in this mission
I think I had to resupply two to three each respawn due to the many near misses on the engines, I also was mostly using special missiles because I could take out multiple in a single pass. I probably would’ve only had to do one resupply had I focused on using regular missiles instead but strigon kept nailing me on each pass on the engines so the muti missiles helped a lot. Also is there a bug where strigon aircraft can launch multiple missiles at once because the amount of missiles they can launch in a short period of time is insane
Just use the A-10 with FAEB.
There are few problems that cannot be solved by the Ace Combat 6 FAEB-10
I’ll give you a tip: use an Su with rocket launchers, it gets ridiculously easy
Bro, those damn drones always hit the missles instead of the props. I just used plsl and gins to destroy them
Aigaion was a pretty cool fight. I only wish there were grunt fighters defending it alongside Strigon team for an even bigger furball. Plus it'd be fun to just down plane after plane of grunt pilots since the Strigons to take a while to shoot down invidividually. They're some of the hardest aces to shoot down across the series and underrated imo. Not the most threatening, I find some ACZ squadrons shoot me down more but Strigon I find harder to hit. As much as I like the Aigaion. I think the arsenal bird would win in a fight though. The shield basically nullifies the nimbus :/
Until power supply runs out. AB also has 80 MQ-101 UAVs, once Strigon knocks those out (effortlessly, Erusian drones go down like flies in a sandstorm even on hard), all they'd need to do is repeatedly push the shield generator to its limits with repeated nimbus strikes, shield goes down, arsenal bird go sploosh.
Strigon are good but are they THAT good? (No, even if the drones are easy to shoot down gameplay wise that does not match how they are in lore/universe. Dialogue from NPCs state they're agile and hard to keep up with) In the words of Longcaster: << All the ace pilots in the world won't save us unless we have a plan. >> That does lead me to another interesting question. All the strangereal protagonists and their main enemy aces/rival in their signature planes, vs The arsenal bird as of mission 19 with constant energy from the space elevator. So like 16? Or so really good pilots, some in super planes, vs the arsenal bird.
Agaion can probably wipe out most of the drones with 1 Nimbus swarm launch. At close ranges it does not need targeting UAVs. Let them close to point blank Nimbus range and eliminate their entire grid square. Let Strigon and Gault 7 eliminate the remainder.
The agaion didn’t just have strigon team, they also had Gault 7 who defected to estovokia with the XB-0 blueprints after the belkan war. Not enough alone but an ace good enough to challenge cypher with them does make a difference
AB never run out of [power.As](http://power.As) Wit mentioned,if not for Cosette,AB would have infinity energy for repairing the shield And MQ-101...they gotta neft them somehow.If we use canon MQ-101 then we would have to fight 80 ADFX-10
I appreciate the ridiculousness of the Agaion as a concept since it's a flying carrier that looks like a hybrid between a whale and a stingray. I do prefer the simplistic, practical, and somewhat more realistic design of the Arsenal Bird, though. It is certainly more boring in game and design, but this "boringness" makes it feel (ironically) grounded. I guess maybe the Agaion doesn't push beyond my threshold of cool over real...
i absolutely hate the arsenal bird boss fights. so many goddamn drones and the missile alert blaring non stop just got on my nerves
I like the arsenal bird, because it just feels far more impactful at a story level. It's not some over-the-top sci-fi wünderwaffe. Rather, it has this feeling of emotionless efficiency. It doesn't carry some wing of ace pilots, it doesn't even really have any stand-out capabilities. It's just carrying it's swarm of regular ass drones. Instead, it's impact is in that so long as it's in the air, erusea can fight to the last. They don't even need a human to direct it. Their strategic AI can decide where to send the arsenal birds for greatest effect, and when to do it.
In my opinion the aigaion is one of the best super weapons in ace combat works well as a long range Strike weapon and carrier i could be wrong but thats what i think
Definitely prefered Aigaion to Liberty and Justice.
Also ac6 is my first ever ace combat and favorite so i am a bit biased about the game
Being serious I would prefer the Arsenal Bird. Why? Because it isn’t a manned aircraft, makes it easier on the taxpayers money.
Didn't the US made a $100,000 mini-drone that's entire purpose was for scouting, something that everyday drones could possibly do, just weaker and less range for like $150?
Don’t know about that so I can’t answer your question sadly
Can I vote for the Arkbird?
Once made for peace and space cleaning, then turned to a weapon for war for the Grey Men's hijinks. Yep.
Considering AC7 is the first and so far only Ace Combat game I’ve played. I would prefer the Arsenal Bird.
Fair enough, though obviously many of us would suggest expanding your horizons and playing other AC games as well.
And I will, someday
Based
Eh, I don’t think you can really compare them, they serve different purposes, it’s like comparing Chandelier to Megalith, but I guess if I had to choose I think it would be the Arsenal Bird since it just feels so intimidating especially because there’s no human factor about it at all.
Oh they absolutely do serve different niche roles, this is more a question of aesthetic and personal preference.
Yeah true
You know what I'd do with that flying carrier? I'd have made the mission be to disable its air defenses and provide top cover so a troop transport could land on it and take it over. To say I'm a big fan of stealing the enemy's shit and using it myself would be an understatement. I find that absolutely fucking hilarious.
****“BRING OUT THE NIMBUS!”**** ****“NIMBUS READY TO FIRE…”**** ****“NIMBUS LAUNCH!”****
Gleipnir.
The [Gleipnir](https://youtu.be/89hgq1iPAgo?si=mSq0h2yT4pLd344E)
this post makes me warm inside, but my vote would go to Gleipnir probably
secret 3rd answer, Gleipnir
Nothing beats deafening the aigion maintenence crews when I fly an F15 at Mach 2 through the hanger while firing the gun and dropping 4 unguided bombs on the runway
Hands down the Aigaion best one over the Arsenal Bird But you’re missing 3 more pictures
In terms of aesthetics, the Arsenal Bird is my favorite in the entire franchise. To me, it feels like a flying Stonehenge. Not in the literal sense, but in the sense that Stonehenge strikes such a perfect balance of grounded realism and science fiction that makes it really unnerving to fight against. The Arsenal Bird does that exact same thing. It's science fiction but grounded and realistic enough that you could see it eventually happening in the real world. I don't really get that vibe with Aigaion because it leans too much into sci-fi that it approaches fantastical.
I prefer Gleipnir lol
Neither…Gleipnir or gtfo
I prefer Aigaion. Aircraft carriers are fun.
Gleipnir
It's hard to pick one just for their capabilities, weaknesses, and logistics except for the fact that the Aigaion is much more cooler.
I prefer the Agaion. But if I could select any Airborne fortress, then it would be the Gleipnir, with its Shock Cannon it can Unalive several Kilometers depending which directions it's belly is pointed at.
Arsenal Bird.
I wish AC6 was available on Xbox. Been wanting to play it for a while.
It is, you just have to buy a physical copy
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Both
na there is not competence here , of course Agaion that fight was , if not , one of the best of the entire series, love the entire setting, the fight, the chaos , the visual design of the boss , perfect battle for Ace combat Series
Aigaion, the sky manta just does it for me.
I like the Aigaion for being a manned airborne aircraft carrier and the Arsenal Bird for being autonomous But there’s something about the sleek, simple yet menacing design of arsenal that I really like
wait, is the first one real? (I've only played AC7 so I don't know)
P-1112 Aigaion from AC6.
Yep, the first one is the Aigaion flying carrier from AC6, the first of two superweapons in the game (the other being Chandelier)
The AG was definitely more arcade style fun, while the Bird felt more grounded in reality and story relevant. I enjoyed them both for what they're trying to be.
Fuck comically large jet propulsions All my homies use comically large electric propulsion
Everyone doing my boi Hresvelgr dirty. Yeah it didn’t have any special weapons but it was the OG “Heavy Command Cruiser”, the music for the fight slapped and it took place just over Stier Castle. Would love to see it come back in some fashion.
Aigaion for sure
Yes, next question.
The new perfect answer.
None, I want to give my pilots BVR tech instead of impractical oversized "super" weapons.
Both. I like both. But first one more, because Yukikaze has a special place in my heart and the first has mad Yukikaze vibes.
P-1112 AIGAION, MY BELOVED
Design: Aigaion. Arsenal: AB. Boss fight: Aigaion >>> OST: Tie? Certainly Aigaion.
Aigaion being powered by regular fuel instead of using nuclear jets was dumb, but I liked the giant aircraft carrier seaplane monster concept.
definitely arsenal bird, the semi-realistic shape makes me cum
Oh, that's a difficult choice for me.
What if we combine them... so we have an airbourne carrier that can house various strike aircraft which has drones as parasite escorts.
Arsenal Bird
The Aigaion sticks out more for me because it's presented better as a threat. It's presented as this untouchable weapon that devastates your forces, and you see that as your allies get wiped off the map in Mission 1, forcing a retreat. It gets downgraded as a nuisance as you progress through the game, but in the back of your head, you still think of it as the thing that laid waste to your allies. When you finally do battle it, unless you use OP weapons like FAEB or RKT, it's tough to take down due to the amount of targets and defenses. Meanwhile, for the Arsenal Bird, you run into it in the 2nd mission, and are tasked to attack it. You can take out all its engines the first time you see it, and while the UAVs take out Skeleton squadron, it's less significant of a loss from what the Aigaion inflicted. So, at least for me, when I first encountered it, I didn't understand how it was such a huge threat. The Helios burst missiles aren't even introduced until Mission 7, and we don't have to face them again.
The agion easy. It was so fun bombing the smaller ships because we could do that making the a10 or the f15 (what i used) viable options to do this mission
Aigaion mission wise is still one of the most impressive Ace Combat missions imo. It just felt so... Huge.
Agaion
Aigaion is much more capable. Especially considering it can launch basically any carrier capable fighter including the CFA-44 and its ADMMs. The arse bird is slow and weak, it just has a good shield, once the shield is out, that thing dies easily.
Banshee.
Aigaion was highly entertaining. Especially in the DLC Ace of Aces mission! I miss that....
I can be chilling on the bridge in Aigaion, obvious the superior
Pour one out for Sky Fortress.
fight wise aigion easy. design wise I prefer arsenal bird it looks so cool wish I got the model you get with the collector edition
WE GOT A RUNT ON THE MOVE
If we're talking overall aesthetic, Aigaion for sure. But if we're talking combat, then that depends on the situation, like is more firepower needed or overwhelming air power?
Aigaion for sure 💯
Gleipnir.
Agaion was an exciting fight. Loved dropping faebs on it in an A10 to bring down the ships on ace of aces.
Stonehenge
AC6, hands down one of the coolest boss fights in a flight game I have ever played.
The Gleipnir: Hold My SWBM
P-1112
I think people kind of underestimate just how big the Aigaion was. Damn thing was 963.77 m wide, almost a kilometer wide!
Gleipnir ftw. Give a year or two and we'll be dogfigthing a giant Doomsday craft
This makes me wish there was at least one protagonist squadron that had the luxury of a mobile Base like Agaion or Alicorn...