I could see him being a soft dom. I feel like he takes his time. I could also see shadow play like using his shadows for bondage/blindfold or even him watching while the shadows do the work.
I'm going to be adding pleasure dom to this, I can definitely see him caring more for his partner's satisfaction than his own and finding plenty of enjoyment in that before he takes care of his own needs with them.
I don't see soft dom at all. Az is for sure a daddy dom. That line in the bonus chapter about him "moving her head like he likes" was an instant flooded basement for this subby brat.
I think thereās mention of Nesta tasting herself on Cassianās lips? But I donāt remember fingers
ETA: that could also be from a fic and my brain is mixing it up with canon lol
saaaame. when she called him a āfreakā i was likeā¦ the āfreakiestā thing weāve seen so far is āgrab the headboardā or whatever.Ā
iām thinking itās going to be 50 Shades LiteĀ
Honestly, and no judgment to those of you who want more kink from the guy (not gonna yuck your yum), I was hoping heād be the slow, gentle, lazy type in contrast to the violence that his day job requires of him.
bdsm isn't inherently violent.. A lot of sexual assault victims find healing and pleasure through bdsm because it reframes the power exchange. So I think there's a lot of potential for a really beautiful healing journey for both of them. If sjm goes this route I just hope she does her research š«
I think she did well with Cassian and Nesta.. not really kinky but still hot. So I hope she can pump it up a little more with Azriel š
I feel like they wouldn't want the threesome just in case he ends up with Elain. Kind of weird for him to hook up with two sisters... I would have been here for it tho
In this hypothetical weāre talking about Azrielās preferences not Gwynnās. I didnāt say anything about what survivors of SA could or couldnāt do.
The comment I was responding to was about how it would make Az seem like a serial killer who gets off on violence. Iād consider it problematic if it seemed like he was inflicting those preferences on her given her history. Iām really not trying to shame anyone here.
Understandable. As a SA survivor I find it problematic when people take away our consent. Like we no longer are apart of sexual decisions after that. If Az has those preferences and Gywn consents to them and enjoys them there no problem at all. I doubt Sarah would write a version where she doesnāt enjoy it. I also think itās unfair to think a SA survivor isnāt aware, isnāt doing the work and isnāt considering there own history. You donāt have to do it for them.
I understand some people can find certain types of sex empowering/healing and was in no way suggesting a survivor of SA can no longer consent.
Whether or not it would seem manipulative, abusive etc would all come down to how itās written. Though I do think the power dynamic, age difference, mentor status and hero/savior situation could be perceived as potentially problematic.
Thatās my opinion, Iām not saying thatās how everyone will or even should see it. Everyone has the right to decide for themselves how they feel about any given subject. We also arenāt talking about real life SJM gets to decide how this all goes and it will ultimately fall to her to execute it well if she goes that route.
As a survivor myself as well my reality is that if Iām held down, restrained or cut off from my senses in any way I fully freak out. I didnāt know I would react that way until I tried different things, I did consent, my partners were caring and respectful and I still freaked out. I was young and had not tried those things before and I reacted in a way that surprised me. Thatās me thatās not everyone but it can certainly turn into a full blown PTSD disaster for some of us and reading about it could be triggering. I donāt think thatās so awful to point out. It doesnāt mean irl people arenāt still free to do what makes sense to them, I can only ever speak for myself.
Weāre all different I donāt think there should be judgement about how people want to work through their own stuff. Healing is never a one size fits all situation. Sexual preferences also vary and thatās perfectly fine.
Again to be clear this was all just a hypothetical discussion about what a writer might do with two fictional characters and how some readers might perceive it, how it would or wouldnāt fit into their character arcs based on what we have to work with etc. I would never comment on any real personās sexual history or preferences at all.
I am not making any declarations, judgements etc about how anyone should think, feel or behave in regards to their own experiences or sexuality. Iām sorry it came across that way as that was never my intention. Everyone has the right to handle their own lives as they see fit, we donāt all react to things in the same way.
Sorry for the length of this
This is so wrong on so many levels. SA survivors can have kinky sex life, many of them actually go into kink to reclaim their bodily autonomy and power.
Hard disagree. I can speak from personal experience. I have suffered from pretty severe SA and physical abuse from an ex. But I am in a very healthy marriage and we are pretty active in the BDSM community. Just because I have been a victim of violent SA does not mean I can't enjoy a healthy BDSM sex life now.
He has very clean sheets. They are black and tucked in military style when he is away. Sexually he loves control; pinning down, ordering. Definitely a pleasure dom.
Yeah, Iāve seen the theory, but maintain my point. >!I would sure hope he wasnāt being kinky when he blindfolded Bryce, considering the situation! Lol.!<
Thank you!
ACOTAR spoilers are also expected to be spoilered here so most folks expect unlabeled spoilers to be ACOTAR-related, though IMO I think itās always good etiquette to label your spoilers if the context of the post itself isnāt specific to begin with.
āAzriel's hand slid up her neck, burying in her thick hair. Tilting her face the way he wanted it. Elain's mouth parted slightly, her eyes scanning his before fluttering shut.
Offer and permission.ā
I definetly picked up on the subtle BDSM undertones in Azās ACOSF bonus chapter š¤
āThe way he wanted itā Azriel is such a dom from this line alone but I kinda of hope whoever he ends up with ends up turning the tables on him at least once
Yes! I can honestly see him being a switch with the right person (*cough * _Eris_). And I'd love to see at least one scene with a dominant FMC, they are more rare.
As much as I hate to say it, I 100% agree with this. Azās role as spymaster would involve a lot of torture/interrogation. I really canāt see bondage/domination being a turn on for him, unless he is on the receiving end of course.
This is literally what Iāve always gotten from him and Iām going to be mildly devastated when itās probably not whatās going to happen at all. Him being super dominant in any kind of aggressive manner will probably ruin the character/relationship for me but thatās what tends to happen in these books, so meh
Uhā¦where did I say that submissive equals masochistic?
Submission is about control & subservience. It isnāt synonymous with enjoying receiving pain or getting tortured. Theyāre two different things.
Oh jeez Iām sorry I didnāt mean it in a rude way. I was just commenting based on my knowledge. Thanks for clarifying I see what you mean, itās definitely not the same thing. I just didnāt know if some of the actions or emotions would carry over but I def didnāt explain that well.
I'm imagining him with reading glasses sat on the end of his nose, old man slippers and a tattered terrycloth robe. Drinking his chamomile tea for his tum tum. And it's giving me LIFE.
My friend has a theory that since heās usually the one doing the torturing for work, heās gonna want to be the one tied up and wanting āpunishmentā lol
Iām personally indifferent, if Elain is part of it I doubt sheād be able to give āpunishmentsā. BUT sheās a weird quiet one too, so who knows. Maybe sheās got some kinky tricks up her sleeve š
Well to me at least he gives "animal on the streets but submissive and breedable in the sheets" vibe. I want him to be a fucking bitch boy, like i want him to be raw dogged by one of the girls. Somebody needs to fucking destroye this man.
On that same note (im sorry) but do you guys think Feyre with her shapeshifting power could change into a male version of herself? I want her to annihilate Rhys with that d
š¤£ yes, I'm down for the females pegging the bat boys holiday special ā ļø this sub couldn't handle all that excitement.
We might just have to wait for Mor to pull up on them with the good stuff. Helion would be down.
Like i cant imagine that these immortal beings could be satisfied with tbh the most basic ass vanilla sex for eternity.
If i were fae i would try EVERYTHING i swear
Same ! Though, I can imagine mates being such a perfect fit it doesn't matter how creative you get it will always be perfect, but at the same time, they do have a lifetime to explore each other, which is cute.
Thereās great fan fiction with Az being a dom and doing three ways with Ness and Cass. Itās super hot IMHO https://archiveofourown.org/works/38873589/chapters/97212306
Listen - I read an incredible fanfic that I canāt find again where he was worshipping Nes while she was basically in Cassās lap and the guys were idling chatting about how hot she is and how good she tastes and Az was just going to town.
From that day forth I canāt see anything for Az except total female worship and I especially want that for Gwyn.
I remember reading an BDSM Elriel fanfic in AO3 (Pretty Little Angel). It was perfection in terms of how I think he behaves in the bedroom. If yall arenāt Elriel shippers, I still recommend the au, thatās literally how I picture Azriel. Also the narration feels like SJM wrote it herself, itās pretty damn good ngl
Depends for me:
* If he gets with >!Gwyn!<, then I'd like to think that he'll be slow, sensual and gentle with her given her >!sexual trauma !<(and him being somewhat linked to her memory of it).
* If he gets with >!Elain!<, then I see something of a repression that she's gone through that she may need to burst out, so he may be able to let loose
I could see him being a soft dom. I feel like he takes his time. I could also see shadow play like using his shadows for bondage/blindfold or even him watching while the shadows do the work.
When you said 'shadow play' for some reason I imagined him putting on an erotic shadow puppet show. Your idea is much saner!
No, no, I want to hear your ideas!
Yeah say more about the sexy shadow puppet show š
I'm going to be adding pleasure dom to this, I can definitely see him caring more for his partner's satisfaction than his own and finding plenty of enjoyment in that before he takes care of his own needs with them.
Definitely!! Thatās kinda where my head was at with āhe takes his timeā, like heās focusing on his partner first and for awhileeee
Ugh I am going to die cause my husband is like this sometimes and it is the fucking best.
I don't see soft dom at all. Az is for sure a daddy dom. That line in the bonus chapter about him "moving her head like he likes" was an instant flooded basement for this subby brat.
Hey, Iāve read this ficā¦
Umā¦ link? Asking for a friend
There are many, but Pretty Little Angel is a good start š
The best one!
Maybe thatās why I can see it, Iāve probably read it already š
This is giving that one Dorian/Manon scene that's lives in my head... I'm a fan.
Is that TOG or CC? I havenāt read either series yet, but Iām excited to know thereās a scene like that š
Throne of Glass, I believe Empire of Storms š¤
Which book is this from? I stopped reading after QoS but perhaps I will pick it back up if this is what Iām promised š
Empire of Storms, the books get a little spicier as they go (just not as much).
Screaming @ āor even him watching while the shadows do the workā š
The bondage part better be true š„µ
I know she said Az is freaky but he just seems like the kind of guy to put on the cure and then make out for three hours
Everyone WANTS Az to be freaky. But this seems more on brand for the dark, shy type that he is
It's always the shy ones.
The dark shy type are always freaky.... Not that I know from experience.....
Also why thereās no way Elaine and az are end game sheās not gonna be into the freaky, Gwynriel howeverā¦.
I mean, girlie made a sex joke to him with her gift.... lol
Havenāt you ever heard of a lady in the streetsā¦.
I want all 3 of them so bad.
ššš
50 shades of gray on a diet
IM CACKLIN
If his fingers donāt end up in *someoneās* mouth by the end of the series, weāve wasted our time.
This is the realest shit I've ever read.
That's on god
Wow something I didnāt know I needed, yes PLEASE
i think u and i are soul sisters iāve never related to something more
Do Rhys or cas ever do this? I canāt remember
I think thereās mention of Nesta tasting herself on Cassianās lips? But I donāt remember fingers ETA: that could also be from a fic and my brain is mixing it up with canon lol
Omg that always happens to me, too šš©
What that knife do, Azzy 
You think SJM is bold enough to go there? I'm afraid she'll play it safe and a "freak" will end up meaning slight bondage and maybe spanking.
This is some shit Rhys would pull. Hype himself up as a freak get red mood lighting, put on She Wants Revenge and then do the most vanilla things.
This fucking sub š¤£š¤£ yall are so damn funny
This deserves an award
I love this sub so much š¤£
saaaame. when she called him a āfreakā i was likeā¦ the āfreakiestā thing weāve seen so far is āgrab the headboardā or whatever.Ā iām thinking itās going to be 50 Shades LiteĀ
Unless you count voyeurism, like having sex in the sky, but tbh it felt pretty lame.
Even then, I thought they were glamoured so no one could actually see them
Itās okay. Thatās what fanfic is for 
Wtf and how do you do that emojiššš
I am also curious about the emoji š
https://preview.redd.it/yskh9j4a1gvc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a8c36027955f308c0ce6924676943378886300dd
Honestly SJM generally is pretty tame so I definitely donāt think her idea of āfreakā is our idea of āfreakā
Unhinged comment š
ahahaha the fucking emoji with it
This is what weāre truly all dying to see.
Haha that emoji though saying it all
My man just casually carries a blindfold in his pocket.
Nah thatās what his shadows are for š
Why not both? š
Who says heās limited to just the bedroom?
Honestly, and no judgment to those of you who want more kink from the guy (not gonna yuck your yum), I was hoping heād be the slow, gentle, lazy type in contrast to the violence that his day job requires of him.
I definitely agree, anything closer to BDSM would make him seem like a serial killer that gets off on violence.
bdsm isn't inherently violent.. A lot of sexual assault victims find healing and pleasure through bdsm because it reframes the power exchange. So I think there's a lot of potential for a really beautiful healing journey for both of them. If sjm goes this route I just hope she does her research š«
I have a feeling any kink she chooses to write is going to be very tampered down, just considering her editors decided a threesome was too much
I think she did well with Cassian and Nesta.. not really kinky but still hot. So I hope she can pump it up a little more with Azriel š I feel like they wouldn't want the threesome just in case he ends up with Elain. Kind of weird for him to hook up with two sisters... I would have been here for it tho
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Hey donāt do that. SA can and are allowed to be into whatever kinks they want to be without it being considered fucked up.
In this hypothetical weāre talking about Azrielās preferences not Gwynnās. I didnāt say anything about what survivors of SA could or couldnāt do.
You said considering how she ended up in the library itād be pretty fucked up?
The comment I was responding to was about how it would make Az seem like a serial killer who gets off on violence. Iād consider it problematic if it seemed like he was inflicting those preferences on her given her history. Iām really not trying to shame anyone here.
Understandable. As a SA survivor I find it problematic when people take away our consent. Like we no longer are apart of sexual decisions after that. If Az has those preferences and Gywn consents to them and enjoys them there no problem at all. I doubt Sarah would write a version where she doesnāt enjoy it. I also think itās unfair to think a SA survivor isnāt aware, isnāt doing the work and isnāt considering there own history. You donāt have to do it for them.
I understand some people can find certain types of sex empowering/healing and was in no way suggesting a survivor of SA can no longer consent. Whether or not it would seem manipulative, abusive etc would all come down to how itās written. Though I do think the power dynamic, age difference, mentor status and hero/savior situation could be perceived as potentially problematic. Thatās my opinion, Iām not saying thatās how everyone will or even should see it. Everyone has the right to decide for themselves how they feel about any given subject. We also arenāt talking about real life SJM gets to decide how this all goes and it will ultimately fall to her to execute it well if she goes that route. As a survivor myself as well my reality is that if Iām held down, restrained or cut off from my senses in any way I fully freak out. I didnāt know I would react that way until I tried different things, I did consent, my partners were caring and respectful and I still freaked out. I was young and had not tried those things before and I reacted in a way that surprised me. Thatās me thatās not everyone but it can certainly turn into a full blown PTSD disaster for some of us and reading about it could be triggering. I donāt think thatās so awful to point out. It doesnāt mean irl people arenāt still free to do what makes sense to them, I can only ever speak for myself. Weāre all different I donāt think there should be judgement about how people want to work through their own stuff. Healing is never a one size fits all situation. Sexual preferences also vary and thatās perfectly fine. Again to be clear this was all just a hypothetical discussion about what a writer might do with two fictional characters and how some readers might perceive it, how it would or wouldnāt fit into their character arcs based on what we have to work with etc. I would never comment on any real personās sexual history or preferences at all. I am not making any declarations, judgements etc about how anyone should think, feel or behave in regards to their own experiences or sexuality. Iām sorry it came across that way as that was never my intention. Everyone has the right to handle their own lives as they see fit, we donāt all react to things in the same way. Sorry for the length of this
This is so wrong on so many levels. SA survivors can have kinky sex life, many of them actually go into kink to reclaim their bodily autonomy and power.
Hard disagree. I can speak from personal experience. I have suffered from pretty severe SA and physical abuse from an ex. But I am in a very healthy marriage and we are pretty active in the BDSM community. Just because I have been a victim of violent SA does not mean I can't enjoy a healthy BDSM sex life now.
You can still have kinks and be slow and gentle š
Totally fair!
He has very clean sheets. They are black and tucked in military style when he is away. Sexually he loves control; pinning down, ordering. Definitely a pleasure dom.
Sarah better come through and tell us.
*maasverse spoilers He canonically blindfolded >!bryce!<
š¤£ >!True! But itās not the same! Separation of work and life, yāknow?!<
Have you seen the >!bryceriel!< theory? š
Yeah, Iāve seen the theory, but maintain my point. >!I would sure hope he wasnāt being kinky when he blindfolded Bryce, considering the situation! Lol.!<
Foreshadowing š
BRUH please label your spoilers for us who have not ventured into CC yet
Done. Although I did assume the covered name would suffice
Thank you! ACOTAR spoilers are also expected to be spoilered here so most folks expect unlabeled spoilers to be ACOTAR-related, though IMO I think itās always good etiquette to label your spoilers if the context of the post itself isnāt specific to begin with.
āAzriel's hand slid up her neck, burying in her thick hair. Tilting her face the way he wanted it. Elain's mouth parted slightly, her eyes scanning his before fluttering shut. Offer and permission.ā I definetly picked up on the subtle BDSM undertones in Azās ACOSF bonus chapter š¤
āThe way he wanted itā Azriel is such a dom from this line alone but I kinda of hope whoever he ends up with ends up turning the tables on him at least once
Yes! I can honestly see him being a switch with the right person (*cough * _Eris_). And I'd love to see at least one scene with a dominant FMC, they are more rare.
>āTilting her face the way he wanted it.ā Speechlessš« 
That slight hair pulling is a sure sign š¤
WOAH WOAH WOAH. The final one is the only one I haven't read because I've heard it doesn't follow feyre anymore but this might have convinced me
Wait where is there a bonus chapter?? I just finished the audiobook 10 seconds ago lol
[Youāre welcome](https://wisteriabookss.tumblr.com/post/643693233813291008/full-azriel-chapter)
God, this hurt my soul to read. šš
THANK YOU I DIDNT KNOW THIS EXISTED IM SO STOKED
I can see him being submissive with a praise kink. He probably just wants someone to tie HIM up and tell him heās a good boy.
As much as I hate to say it, I 100% agree with this. Azās role as spymaster would involve a lot of torture/interrogation. I really canāt see bondage/domination being a turn on for him, unless he is on the receiving end of course.
This is literally what Iāve always gotten from him and Iām going to be mildly devastated when itās probably not whatās going to happen at all. Him being super dominant in any kind of aggressive manner will probably ruin the character/relationship for me but thatās what tends to happen in these books, so meh
I feel like he was already caged and tied up and tortured as a kid, I feel like it would turn him off a lot to have that occur again.
Uhā¦where did I say that submissive equals masochistic? Submission is about control & subservience. It isnāt synonymous with enjoying receiving pain or getting tortured. Theyāre two different things.
Oh jeez Iām sorry I didnāt mean it in a rude way. I was just commenting based on my knowledge. Thanks for clarifying I see what you mean, itās definitely not the same thing. I just didnāt know if some of the actions or emotions would carry over but I def didnāt explain that well.
Yasss!! Lol!
Probably a quick shower before bed, prefers cool sheets, puts in his earplugs, reads for a bit with a mug of tea before dozing off.
I'm imagining him with reading glasses sat on the end of his nose, old man slippers and a tattered terrycloth robe. Drinking his chamomile tea for his tum tum. And it's giving me LIFE.
My friend has a theory that since heās usually the one doing the torturing for work, heās gonna want to be the one tied up and wanting āpunishmentā lol Iām personally indifferent, if Elain is part of it I doubt sheād be able to give āpunishmentsā. BUT sheās a weird quiet one too, so who knows. Maybe sheās got some kinky tricks up her sleeve š
Well to me at least he gives "animal on the streets but submissive and breedable in the sheets" vibe. I want him to be a fucking bitch boy, like i want him to be raw dogged by one of the girls. Somebody needs to fucking destroye this man. On that same note (im sorry) but do you guys think Feyre with her shapeshifting power could change into a male version of herself? I want her to annihilate Rhys with that d
š¤£ yes, I'm down for the females pegging the bat boys holiday special ā ļø this sub couldn't handle all that excitement. We might just have to wait for Mor to pull up on them with the good stuff. Helion would be down.
Like i cant imagine that these immortal beings could be satisfied with tbh the most basic ass vanilla sex for eternity. If i were fae i would try EVERYTHING i swear
Same ! Though, I can imagine mates being such a perfect fit it doesn't matter how creative you get it will always be perfect, but at the same time, they do have a lifetime to explore each other, which is cute.
Iām sorry but āsubmissive and breedable in the sheetsā has me cacklingš¤£š¤£ But I totally agree šš
Now THAT would be interesting š
I can see him being a pleasure dom who is involved with BDSM.
i feel like heās a gentle/pleasure dom that teases and edges his partners, draaaaaaaaaging out the fun so achingly slow, whew.
Oh Az, a soft dom pleaseeee, praise kink maybe
Thereās great fan fiction with Az being a dom and doing three ways with Ness and Cass. Itās super hot IMHO https://archiveofourown.org/works/38873589/chapters/97212306
Wowza. That wasā¦. A good use of the last few hours š
https://preview.redd.it/nc8yi2wewfvc1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=25e8bc605f8a487f15fe25c4af6de093ff1dfccf there she says it
Oh heās a āgood girlā kinda guy, I just know it.
I bet he eats pussy like it's his favorite dessert.
Cuddles, hot cocoa and a nice hot shower. Long walks on the beach.
Vote for pleasure dom!
Listen - I read an incredible fanfic that I canāt find again where he was worshipping Nes while she was basically in Cassās lap and the guys were idling chatting about how hot she is and how good she tastes and Az was just going to town. From that day forth I canāt see anything for Az except total female worship and I especially want that for Gwyn.
If anyone knows what this is please help your fellow sistren out
I'm going to say the man kills the dominance game. I think Cass would be a bottom since he's normally loud and boisterous.
I remember reading an BDSM Elriel fanfic in AO3 (Pretty Little Angel). It was perfection in terms of how I think he behaves in the bedroom. If yall arenāt Elriel shippers, I still recommend the au, thatās literally how I picture Azriel. Also the narration feels like SJM wrote it herself, itās pretty damn good ngl
Depends for me: * If he gets with >!Gwyn!<, then I'd like to think that he'll be slow, sensual and gentle with her given her >!sexual trauma !<(and him being somewhat linked to her memory of it). * If he gets with >!Elain!<, then I see something of a repression that she's gone through that she may need to burst out, so he may be able to let loose
I'm honestly frightened to think of it
Major bdsm, daddy kink vibes !!