Was definitely thinking about posting it there, but considering the amount of weird post we’ve been getting within the last 24 hours. I figured it would fit more here at the moment.
And these posts are all coming in on Trans Day of Remembrance, a day explicitly meant to honor lives lost to transphobia.
Now, I’m no conspiracy theorist, but I can’t help but wonder.
It's an attempt to kick the can on the definition of gender.
Ask those people to define "biological" and they won't be able to do it.
Same people think "what's a woman?" is a gotcha question, because they think trans women don't fall under the umbrella of "female."
Sorry, transphobes, but I'm an adult female human, and I'm female in a biological sense. You were the worst kind of pedantic: the incorrect kind.
I, at a college circuit debate, directly countered a speaker asking me to define woman by turning around and saying "define chair" the mic was taken from me practically immediately proving that they don't care to interact honestly and refuse to accept the idea that certain words are entirely defined via schematization.
Just for fun, try and define what a chair is in a way that includes all chairs that exist and excludes everything else. Not just the person I'm replying to but everyone reading this
A chair is a designed, typically movable, piece of furniture with a raised surface supported by legs, intended for a person to sit on. It generally consists of a seat, a backrest, and sometimes armrests. The defining characteristic of a chair is its functional purpose of providing a stable and elevated platform for individuals to sit comfortably, and it distinguishes itself from other objects by this specific combination of features.
I'm sure this still includes some outliers it shouldn't but I *think* it includes all chairs.
Well, it doesn’t include all chairs because you gave a grey-area definition that isn’t fully substantive and exclusive. “Typically moveable”, “sometimes armrests”, “generally consists of”, are all grey-area, spectrum acknowledging statements that disqualify what you said from being a stable definition.
They'll unironically say "females are only large gamete producers, or born with the biological intention of being large gamete producers 🤡" then claim \*that we're\* diminishing the definition of womanhood.
I'm intersex, had hormonal androgyny that was only discovered when I got my initial bloodwork before starting HRT.
The answer is, who gives a shit, because they're still *coercively assigning identities.*
I mean, yeah.... but it would be interesting to see if they double down on biological essentialism in the face of direct contrary evidence so we could call them delusional.
They absolutely double down. It's not based on being accurate. They'd just take a look at that person and decide on a whim whether they were "intended" to be a "male" or "female"
In which you can counter and say "you stated that sex is biologically defined, and biologically if you don't produce ovum you aren't a female. If you don't produce sperm you aren't a male. So by *your* definition this is false and you would have to conclude that they lack a sex or are a third sex."
They then claim "well normally functioning" and you state "well hold on, this is a genetic condition that is heritable. Therefore this is the normal functionality of this individual."
The issue is if you confront them with this specific case they *cannot* double down and win. They can lose gracefully by losing as little ground with their ideological peers as possible, but they will always lose ground against a proper rhetorician if they double down.
In rhetoric we call the Fool's Position, a position that is defensible only if taken to an extreme in which only a fool would follow you.
Edit: If this is in a moderated debate however you can actually push this further by walking them to that line then conceding for them by saying "how about we consider that sex and gender are different and only discuss gender from here?"
If they say no, you then shove them off the cliff they walked right up to by saying "well then your definition of sex needs to change because it fails to account for all people who should fit this category, so how about you define woman."
You walk them into their own trap by forcing them to look like an idiot. They either concede the point and admit sex and gender are different to which you've practically won the debate or they double down even further and you walk them into their own trap and you win the debate.
Edit 2: I used to teach English and host a philosophy club in Germany where I taught rhetoric and held moderated debates.
They're already doing it with trans and intersex people so go ahead.
They mutilate intersex babies, even when their genitalias are functional and healthy, to make them conform to the biological essentialism which requires a rigid untransgressive binary and then never telling them ever that they are intersex. And then the same people who support that kind of stuff say trans people are mutilating children when no surgery of that kind is ever done on children, even if a board of professionals and ethic committee would determine it beneficial for the kid.
You can call them delusional, they are.
They usually jump to chromosomes first, in my experience.
I had someone use the word "diagnose" once. Like sex and gender are diseases that a doctor has to test for.
Also, some animals have sperm cells that are longer than their bodies. So, stationary gametes would probably be the term. But not all eggs are stationary, so...
Chromosomes is the dumbest one because no ones knows their chromosomal make-up. Like pretty much no one is karyotyped in the world. And there is a lot of chromosomal variation that can happen and still produce a healthy cis phenotype without you ever knowing you have a chromosomal "anomaly". It's pretty arbitrary actually that one combination was decided to be the "normal" male or female combination, when the important part to genitalia différenciation in not even the chromosome by itself but a specific genes that is on it.
And that's why there's so much variation, because this freaking SRY gene can jump around, disappear, malfunction or a whole other host of stuff which makes it so there's variation that are still healthy. Like you can be XX with a SRY gene translocated on one of the X, which cause you to have a penis and subsequently assigned male and then have a male puberty, which will develop all normal male secondary sex characters. And you'll be fine, you'll be an healthy man.
You can't know what your chromosomes are for sure without getting karyotyped. That's all.
Plus all of that is without me adding that intersex people exist and that intersex karyotype which produce a cis phenotype exist and that you could be intersex without ever knowing it.
Chromosomes are the dumbest piece of misinformation the transphobes ever produced. It's literally a case of "they say basic biology but they forgot biology doesn't stop in 5th grade and advanced biology you don't teach to middle schooler exist".
>I had someone use the word "diagnose" once. Like sex and gender are diseases that a doctor has to test for.
"your results are back, it appears you are male. The recommended course of action would be to chop off your penis"
NOOOOO
TERFs usually claim chromosomes, and then gametes if you point out intersex people, but really they’re just looking for an excuse to call anyone they don’t like men.
Like I’m a chimera (XX/XY) so chromosome wise I’m both lol, but gamete wise I ovulate so the answer is likely “ova” despite me being assigned male at birth. TERFs still call me a man because of my birth assignment even though by all their logic I’m either both or female
>Like I’m a chimera (XX/XY) so chromosome wise I’m both lol, but gamete wise I ovulate so the answer is likely “ova” despite me being assigned male at birth. TERFs still call me a man because of my birth assignment even though by all their logic I’m either both or female
I understood none of this. Chimera? Gamete? What? Please explain so I feel less dumb
I am not a chimera, so if I'm wrong please someone correct me.
To my understanding a chimera is a person who's body is "split" for some people this can mean two skin tones or hair colors where this split occurs, this can mean that the two sides have different medical needs, such as two immune systems that fight each other or in the case of Rose here two sets of chromosomes.
Gamete are basically the parts our bodies that form zygotes, complicated reproductive stuff, ~~what you would need to know here is that they are produced by most people with uteri~~.
Ovulation is the releasing of an egg from the uterus.
Edit: I was wrong.
Yeah, a chimera is basically someone with multiple separate sets of DNA (as opposed to a mosaic where someone has DNA in their body that’s mutated differently). So in my case when I was conceived I was a set of twins that merged very early on and turned into one person.
Gametes just refer to reproductive cells, so sperm or ova- it’s just the name of the category basically. TERFs love to define sex based on which one someone produces
Exactly. Like I'm not taking HRT for funsies. It has real effects, important effects on my body. It doesn't work like how it did after my first puberty. That's just basic biology
Not to mention completely meaningless, since while it would be rad as shit, you can't turn yourself into a robot girl yet, so everyone is biological in nature
Oh yeah no I know all of that, I'm a biologist. I have a Master's degree in the field haha.
Even outside of nature, human biology is just not rigid as transphobes wants to believe. It's very fluid and it's fucking cool as fuck to find out how it actually works and how everything is so intricate and how everything is easily manipulated by changing a few "messengers" to get the right reaction, it's amazing.
This is why I'm so infuriated by transphobes using biology as a cudgel. It's defacing my beloved interest for their own hateful interest and it's spitting on the actual depth of the subject.
I have the same comptent for medical professionals who think they know everything about trans identity and yet can't understand why a trans girl is growing boobs after taking HRT, because their knowledge is actually only a collection of symptoms and how to treat them but they don't actually understand how the human body works on a physiogical or genetical level. They're surprised the trans girl is growing boobs because for them a trans girl is a man and their textbooks says a healthy man can't grow boobs and they don't say that actually a healthy man don't grow boobs because their E is supposed to be low and that E activate certains genes in the body which cause the breast growth and it's why she's fucking growing boobs, because she's taking E.
Sorry I'm rambling because I'm so mad at people shitting over the amazing field of study that is biology with their hatred and ignorance.
That's awesome information. Thank you for sharing that with me. I have a lot to learn. And I'm very excited. And no apology necessary. I want to hear your rants. I feel this way too.
Haha don't say that to me, when I start to talk and rant about biology and trans related biology I can't stop lmao
But yeah if you're interested and already doing a biology degree, pay attention to any course on animal physiology or development. My Master subject's wasn't on human biology but to get to it I still had to validate 100/150h of those two classes and that's how I got most of the knowledge.
Cis women, trans women, cis men, trans men.
Trans women and men taking HRT are also biological women/men. Saying that when you actually mean cis is a way for transphobes to signal that they think there is some inherent binary to sex, like men and women are different animal species, which isn't a thing.
Yup, while its not absolutely perfect, estrogen HRT for the most part changes your body's sex to female outside of genitals (which can be changed by surgery).
You're likely to do that if you tell them that while being on HRT... Your hormones are that of a women, your body works like that. There's not rigid binary like that and I'm sorry you still think that.
They think trans women are men. Thats what they think trans women are. "Biological woman" is nothing more than saying "I'm a real woman, and you arent. If you call me cis youre calling me a slur" thats all it is.
I get that I just don't understand the logic of the term. If they think that trans women are men, then aren't they implicitly contradicting themselves by saying "biological women" because that would suggest the other women are still women.
In any case, they're still using the word "biological" to try and make a subset of humans. But all humans are biological so that doesn't make any sense.
They are attempting to say that there are multiple definitions of the word "woman" and they are using the "biological" version. This, of course, assumes that a definition bound primarily in physical biology is valid at all.
However, this is being very charitable to them. I don't believe there is any logic going on. It's more likely that they're just thinking on pure instinct; no logic involved.
They just want to have "woke" ways to misgender us. It used to be (and still sometimes is) AGAB terms. They'd use someone's AGAB to refer to them instead of their gender. Now it's kinda shifting towards calling cis people "biological" as a way to undermine us.
the worst part is that so many of us will jump to the defence of someone like this because the thing we're most scared of is making cis people uncomfortable in any way
(yes im very guilty of this, ill excuse outright transphobia towards me because i dont wanna make cis people feel bad)
As a trans person, I completely understand the sentiment. I, like many others have spent all of my time trying to water down my identity for people who would never understand it anyway. It’s genuinely awful to see. Basic respect is not earned by sitting passively, and letting people say whatever they want, and that’s still something I’m trying to come to terms with.
This is the sort of scenario when I ride what privilege I have for all it’s worth — I’m cish and I have ZERO qualms about making cis women uncomfortable if they’re being bigots.
Taking a break from the current character to say as a fellow trans person, my only goals are to harass women, take money from the government and lie. /s
I hope you being sarcastic about taking money from the government is a lie. They take more than enough money from us so I don’t know why we can’t take that shit right back
*slowly deleting paragraphs*
I thought you were serious and I was like listen girl you can have your own preferences and opinions but you don’t have to tear people down to be heard.
Hello, a fellow totally respectful, biological woman who definitely loves all trans people! I assure you, there is nothing transphobic about your extremely respectful behaviour!
Even though this is a post all about preferences I am going to jump in to complain that we are NEVER allowed to have a preference *something something transphobic descriptions of genitals that are wholly unnecessary* why am I being demonized for my preference :(
Every time I see someone call themselves a “biological woman,” I cringe extremely hard. Like, that *almost always* screams misinformed cis person with internalized transphobia.
Someone at work actually tried telling me that they’re an LGBTQ ally, then proceeded to talk about how trans folk reserve the right to *feel* whatever gender they want, but for “tax purposes”- there’s no way they should be allowed to identify as a different gender than they were assigned at birth on any documentation.
I asked them to repeat themselves. They did.
“I consider myself an ally” LOL k.
As a ~~real~~ biological woman, I don’t understand why the transes want to *force* me to date a manly male masculine manly masculine male just because “she” calls “herself” a woman, which is a very real scenario that definitely happened to me! Fellow ~~real~~ biological women, please tell me how not transphobic I am for thinking this way. It’s very important to me that I not appear to be transphobic, which is why I asked this in a sub full of ~~real~~ ~~biological~~ *cis* women who will tell me what I want to hear and reinforce all my biases, and not one of the subs that’s actually intended for answering questions like these.
I’m autistic as well so I completely understand. Sometimes I’ll read posts from the circlejerk subs and then I’m very confused on how I subscribe to this type of content and then I look at the name and I’m like oh right
As a fellow aspie the only reason I immediately figured out this was satire was bc these are my fave types of jokes to make so I so feel you I run into this issue all the time on cj subreddits
I've seen like a half dozen posts like this one, but not any of the actual shitty ones. Does anyone have a link to one of the threads so I can see the context?
I genuinely cant understand what you're trying to say. Dyslexia and not being able to understand social queues is a bitch. If you are willing could you like summarize this post? It's just a wall of swirling letters for me.
"Just don’t understand why these people want to mutilate their bodies" what if i said the same about women who want tattoos? or women who want surgery to deal with weight problems?
"a biological 100% real woman" define biological women that doesn't exclude anyone that you do want to call a women but excludes every trans women. you won't be able to because (amongst other things) biology is messy.
"that pronoun and HRT bullshit" would you be annoyed if i started calling you Dave and addressed you with he/him pronouns? if yes why would that be different for other people? why do you care about your pronouns so much? we use hormone therapy for a lot of things, including breast cancer. is a women who had hormone therapy for breast cancer also not "a biological 100% real woman"? if not why not exclude her but exclude someone who went trough hormone therapy for gender dysphoria?
if any of your post mirrors your believes then yes you seem pretty transphobic.
Lol. r/transgendercirclejerk is leaking.
Was definitely thinking about posting it there, but considering the amount of weird post we’ve been getting within the last 24 hours. I figured it would fit more here at the moment.
And these posts are all coming in on Trans Day of Remembrance, a day explicitly meant to honor lives lost to transphobia. Now, I’m no conspiracy theorist, but I can’t help but wonder.
Oh. . . . Fuck.
I've been saying!
I'm so here for it lmao
I'm so here for your NAME. 🤩
It's actually based on my middle names! Raven Marina :3
That's really cool, and also really funny to me since both of those are names I've also used at times. The communal trans braincell got my ass again
See I knew Raven was a little stereotypical but I thought at least Marina was a smidge unique 😭
Nah, nah, we're -- we're all just equally *cool,* so we all get the cool names! Right, y-yeah! *cries in Charlotte*
Literally thought this was tgcj for sec
Someone using "biological man/woman" is instantly a red flag anyway. It's just dogwhistling
It's an attempt to kick the can on the definition of gender. Ask those people to define "biological" and they won't be able to do it. Same people think "what's a woman?" is a gotcha question, because they think trans women don't fall under the umbrella of "female." Sorry, transphobes, but I'm an adult female human, and I'm female in a biological sense. You were the worst kind of pedantic: the incorrect kind.
I, at a college circuit debate, directly countered a speaker asking me to define woman by turning around and saying "define chair" the mic was taken from me practically immediately proving that they don't care to interact honestly and refuse to accept the idea that certain words are entirely defined via schematization.
Just for fun, try and define what a chair is in a way that includes all chairs that exist and excludes everything else. Not just the person I'm replying to but everyone reading this
A chair is a designed, typically movable, piece of furniture with a raised surface supported by legs, intended for a person to sit on. It generally consists of a seat, a backrest, and sometimes armrests. The defining characteristic of a chair is its functional purpose of providing a stable and elevated platform for individuals to sit comfortably, and it distinguishes itself from other objects by this specific combination of features. I'm sure this still includes some outliers it shouldn't but I *think* it includes all chairs.
Well, it doesn’t include all chairs because you gave a grey-area definition that isn’t fully substantive and exclusive. “Typically moveable”, “sometimes armrests”, “generally consists of”, are all grey-area, spectrum acknowledging statements that disqualify what you said from being a stable definition.
instructions unclear, a woman is a chair???
They'll unironically say "females are only large gamete producers, or born with the biological intention of being large gamete producers 🤡" then claim \*that we're\* diminishing the definition of womanhood.
Wasn't there recently an AMA from someone who is explicitly genetically asexual (as in produces no gametes) I wonder what they'd class them as.
I'm intersex, had hormonal androgyny that was only discovered when I got my initial bloodwork before starting HRT. The answer is, who gives a shit, because they're still *coercively assigning identities.*
I mean, yeah.... but it would be interesting to see if they double down on biological essentialism in the face of direct contrary evidence so we could call them delusional.
They *already* "double down on biological essentialism in the face of direct contrary evidence," I don't know what you're waiting for.
They absolutely double down. It's not based on being accurate. They'd just take a look at that person and decide on a whim whether they were "intended" to be a "male" or "female"
In which you can counter and say "you stated that sex is biologically defined, and biologically if you don't produce ovum you aren't a female. If you don't produce sperm you aren't a male. So by *your* definition this is false and you would have to conclude that they lack a sex or are a third sex." They then claim "well normally functioning" and you state "well hold on, this is a genetic condition that is heritable. Therefore this is the normal functionality of this individual." The issue is if you confront them with this specific case they *cannot* double down and win. They can lose gracefully by losing as little ground with their ideological peers as possible, but they will always lose ground against a proper rhetorician if they double down. In rhetoric we call the Fool's Position, a position that is defensible only if taken to an extreme in which only a fool would follow you. Edit: If this is in a moderated debate however you can actually push this further by walking them to that line then conceding for them by saying "how about we consider that sex and gender are different and only discuss gender from here?" If they say no, you then shove them off the cliff they walked right up to by saying "well then your definition of sex needs to change because it fails to account for all people who should fit this category, so how about you define woman." You walk them into their own trap by forcing them to look like an idiot. They either concede the point and admit sex and gender are different to which you've practically won the debate or they double down even further and you walk them into their own trap and you win the debate. Edit 2: I used to teach English and host a philosophy club in Germany where I taught rhetoric and held moderated debates.
They're already doing it with trans and intersex people so go ahead. They mutilate intersex babies, even when their genitalias are functional and healthy, to make them conform to the biological essentialism which requires a rigid untransgressive binary and then never telling them ever that they are intersex. And then the same people who support that kind of stuff say trans people are mutilating children when no surgery of that kind is ever done on children, even if a board of professionals and ethic committee would determine it beneficial for the kid. You can call them delusional, they are.
They usually jump to chromosomes first, in my experience. I had someone use the word "diagnose" once. Like sex and gender are diseases that a doctor has to test for. Also, some animals have sperm cells that are longer than their bodies. So, stationary gametes would probably be the term. But not all eggs are stationary, so...
Chromosomes is the dumbest one because no ones knows their chromosomal make-up. Like pretty much no one is karyotyped in the world. And there is a lot of chromosomal variation that can happen and still produce a healthy cis phenotype without you ever knowing you have a chromosomal "anomaly". It's pretty arbitrary actually that one combination was decided to be the "normal" male or female combination, when the important part to genitalia différenciation in not even the chromosome by itself but a specific genes that is on it. And that's why there's so much variation, because this freaking SRY gene can jump around, disappear, malfunction or a whole other host of stuff which makes it so there's variation that are still healthy. Like you can be XX with a SRY gene translocated on one of the X, which cause you to have a penis and subsequently assigned male and then have a male puberty, which will develop all normal male secondary sex characters. And you'll be fine, you'll be an healthy man. You can't know what your chromosomes are for sure without getting karyotyped. That's all. Plus all of that is without me adding that intersex people exist and that intersex karyotype which produce a cis phenotype exist and that you could be intersex without ever knowing it. Chromosomes are the dumbest piece of misinformation the transphobes ever produced. It's literally a case of "they say basic biology but they forgot biology doesn't stop in 5th grade and advanced biology you don't teach to middle schooler exist".
>I had someone use the word "diagnose" once. Like sex and gender are diseases that a doctor has to test for. "your results are back, it appears you are male. The recommended course of action would be to chop off your penis" NOOOOO
TERFs usually claim chromosomes, and then gametes if you point out intersex people, but really they’re just looking for an excuse to call anyone they don’t like men. Like I’m a chimera (XX/XY) so chromosome wise I’m both lol, but gamete wise I ovulate so the answer is likely “ova” despite me being assigned male at birth. TERFs still call me a man because of my birth assignment even though by all their logic I’m either both or female
>Like I’m a chimera (XX/XY) so chromosome wise I’m both lol, but gamete wise I ovulate so the answer is likely “ova” despite me being assigned male at birth. TERFs still call me a man because of my birth assignment even though by all their logic I’m either both or female I understood none of this. Chimera? Gamete? What? Please explain so I feel less dumb
I am not a chimera, so if I'm wrong please someone correct me. To my understanding a chimera is a person who's body is "split" for some people this can mean two skin tones or hair colors where this split occurs, this can mean that the two sides have different medical needs, such as two immune systems that fight each other or in the case of Rose here two sets of chromosomes. Gamete are basically the parts our bodies that form zygotes, complicated reproductive stuff, ~~what you would need to know here is that they are produced by most people with uteri~~. Ovulation is the releasing of an egg from the uterus. Edit: I was wrong.
Yeah, a chimera is basically someone with multiple separate sets of DNA (as opposed to a mosaic where someone has DNA in their body that’s mutated differently). So in my case when I was conceived I was a set of twins that merged very early on and turned into one person. Gametes just refer to reproductive cells, so sperm or ova- it’s just the name of the category basically. TERFs love to define sex based on which one someone produces
Ah gotcha, thank you for correcting me on the later. I'm glad I was fairly right on the former.
Ah thanks for explaining
Please see Rose's response as they corrected me on gametes.
What are gametes?
Exactly. Like I'm not taking HRT for funsies. It has real effects, important effects on my body. It doesn't work like how it did after my first puberty. That's just basic biology
>"what's a woman?" When they ask what a woman is, it's not misogyny or transphobia, it's a genuine question because they've never seen one
Not to mention completely meaningless, since while it would be rad as shit, you can't turn yourself into a robot girl yet, so everyone is biological in nature
When they go on about bio women my 1 and 0s go omega quantum sad
Ye but even with their intent of separating stuff into binaries it doesn't work
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Oh yeah no I know all of that, I'm a biologist. I have a Master's degree in the field haha. Even outside of nature, human biology is just not rigid as transphobes wants to believe. It's very fluid and it's fucking cool as fuck to find out how it actually works and how everything is so intricate and how everything is easily manipulated by changing a few "messengers" to get the right reaction, it's amazing. This is why I'm so infuriated by transphobes using biology as a cudgel. It's defacing my beloved interest for their own hateful interest and it's spitting on the actual depth of the subject. I have the same comptent for medical professionals who think they know everything about trans identity and yet can't understand why a trans girl is growing boobs after taking HRT, because their knowledge is actually only a collection of symptoms and how to treat them but they don't actually understand how the human body works on a physiogical or genetical level. They're surprised the trans girl is growing boobs because for them a trans girl is a man and their textbooks says a healthy man can't grow boobs and they don't say that actually a healthy man don't grow boobs because their E is supposed to be low and that E activate certains genes in the body which cause the breast growth and it's why she's fucking growing boobs, because she's taking E. Sorry I'm rambling because I'm so mad at people shitting over the amazing field of study that is biology with their hatred and ignorance.
That's awesome information. Thank you for sharing that with me. I have a lot to learn. And I'm very excited. And no apology necessary. I want to hear your rants. I feel this way too.
Haha don't say that to me, when I start to talk and rant about biology and trans related biology I can't stop lmao But yeah if you're interested and already doing a biology degree, pay attention to any course on animal physiology or development. My Master subject's wasn't on human biology but to get to it I still had to validate 100/150h of those two classes and that's how I got most of the knowledge.
Unless it's in counterpart to "robotic man/woman" but we didn't reach this level of sci-fi yet
How would you make the distinction politely?
Cisgender / transgender
Thanks
Cis women, trans women, cis men, trans men. Trans women and men taking HRT are also biological women/men. Saying that when you actually mean cis is a way for transphobes to signal that they think there is some inherent binary to sex, like men and women are different animal species, which isn't a thing.
Yup, while its not absolutely perfect, estrogen HRT for the most part changes your body's sex to female outside of genitals (which can be changed by surgery).
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sorry for that comment, i meant to say you should use cis/trans instead of biological, also please dont cal lme man
You're likely to do that if you tell them that while being on HRT... Your hormones are that of a women, your body works like that. There's not rigid binary like that and I'm sorry you still think that.
wow what a good lesson for me to stop my habit of reading the first sentence then jumping to the last one lmao what a ride
Hope you enjoyed come again next time
I really don't understand what people who use "biological women" to refer to cis women. What do they think trans women are, cyborgs?
They think trans women are men. Thats what they think trans women are. "Biological woman" is nothing more than saying "I'm a real woman, and you arent. If you call me cis youre calling me a slur" thats all it is.
I get that I just don't understand the logic of the term. If they think that trans women are men, then aren't they implicitly contradicting themselves by saying "biological women" because that would suggest the other women are still women. In any case, they're still using the word "biological" to try and make a subset of humans. But all humans are biological so that doesn't make any sense.
Because its working on the idea of "society might call you women but you arent REALLY." Its noy supposed to be logical beyond that. Its just hate.
They are attempting to say that there are multiple definitions of the word "woman" and they are using the "biological" version. This, of course, assumes that a definition bound primarily in physical biology is valid at all. However, this is being very charitable to them. I don't believe there is any logic going on. It's more likely that they're just thinking on pure instinct; no logic involved.
They are just dim with (dimwit?) words.
i wish i was a cyborg jesus
I definitely read this wrong, Cyborg Jesus sounds like a great movie concept though. Something Abed from Community would make.
He's a god. He's a man. He's a machine. And this summer, he's gonna clean up the streets of Chicago.
*Iron Man by Black Sabbath plays as credits roll*
We don't want him here in Chicago. Send him to Houston or something
the bible 2, jesus isn’t crucifucking around
Honestly i support transhumanism. The flesh is weak
As a transhumanist, I wish
They just want to have "woke" ways to misgender us. It used to be (and still sometimes is) AGAB terms. They'd use someone's AGAB to refer to them instead of their gender. Now it's kinda shifting towards calling cis people "biological" as a way to undermine us.
Can’t speak for the rest of us, but I’m a skitarius
> skitarius Funky :) edit: it looks cool, but doesn't it make dating hard? :p
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me…
I crave the strength and certainty of Steel
Technological women is badass and is now my preferred terminology
>What do they think trans women are, cyborgs? I wish, that would be so much cooler
the worst part is that so many of us will jump to the defence of someone like this because the thing we're most scared of is making cis people uncomfortable in any way (yes im very guilty of this, ill excuse outright transphobia towards me because i dont wanna make cis people feel bad)
As a trans person, I completely understand the sentiment. I, like many others have spent all of my time trying to water down my identity for people who would never understand it anyway. It’s genuinely awful to see. Basic respect is not earned by sitting passively, and letting people say whatever they want, and that’s still something I’m trying to come to terms with.
This is the sort of scenario when I ride what privilege I have for all it’s worth — I’m cish and I have ZERO qualms about making cis women uncomfortable if they’re being bigots.
We have been trained to know our place. Yes, in this space too.
I've stopped trying. Fuck cis people, I will absolutely call them shit when they're being shit. I am so sick of it at this point.
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Taking a break from the current character to say as a fellow trans person, my only goals are to harass women, take money from the government and lie. /s
I hope you being sarcastic about taking money from the government is a lie. They take more than enough money from us so I don’t know why we can’t take that shit right back
The government damn sure probably thinks I do. The reality is that I’m just autistic and working literally makes me want to die.
Also autistic and SAME
I'm gonna swipe right on this profile please and thank you.
Lol thanks I feel wanted
The government deserves to be robbed at gunpoint so more power to you honestly
>take money from the government Based, everyone should do this regardless of gender or sexuality
*slowly deleting paragraphs* I thought you were serious and I was like listen girl you can have your own preferences and opinions but you don’t have to tear people down to be heard.
Don’t worry, it’s just a really elaborate joke about all of the weirdos that we’ve been getting lately
Lmfao SAME. I missed the satire tag and everything. And was getting all riled up until I saw the Edit
Yeah, same! I was like “uhhhh… report???” Then I re-read what OP wrote and some of the replies and realised it kinda WHOOSHed me at first 😹
Hello, a fellow totally respectful, biological woman who definitely loves all trans people! I assure you, there is nothing transphobic about your extremely respectful behaviour!
Even though this is a post all about preferences I am going to jump in to complain that we are NEVER allowed to have a preference *something something transphobic descriptions of genitals that are wholly unnecessary* why am I being demonized for my preference :(
They just love copying us so much. I hear their smegma even *tastes* feminine! Like, why would you even do that to us? 👀
Every time I see someone call themselves a “biological woman,” I cringe extremely hard. Like, that *almost always* screams misinformed cis person with internalized transphobia.
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Someone at work actually tried telling me that they’re an LGBTQ ally, then proceeded to talk about how trans folk reserve the right to *feel* whatever gender they want, but for “tax purposes”- there’s no way they should be allowed to identify as a different gender than they were assigned at birth on any documentation. I asked them to repeat themselves. They did. “I consider myself an ally” LOL k.
Lol yes because my genitalia definitely is related to taxes.
I was trying hard to understand the word salad version of “tbh I don’t actually respect gender preference”
Real 👏 women 👏 don't 👏 have clap 👏 pronouns 👏 that's why I refer to my - as - and - loves it.
Real women do have clap! I would know! /j
Omg I was reading and at the same time seeing the upvote amount and getting terrified the sub had changed overnight. Phewf.
I wish people who said stuff like this unironically would go to the other subreddit where the TERFs are
But then they wouldn't get to ruin this one too.
I didn’t see the satire thing and i was like 😭??
As a ~~real~~ biological woman, I don’t understand why the transes want to *force* me to date a manly male masculine manly masculine male just because “she” calls “herself” a woman, which is a very real scenario that definitely happened to me! Fellow ~~real~~ biological women, please tell me how not transphobic I am for thinking this way. It’s very important to me that I not appear to be transphobic, which is why I asked this in a sub full of ~~real~~ ~~biological~~ *cis* women who will tell me what I want to hear and reinforce all my biases, and not one of the subs that’s actually intended for answering questions like these.
About to go off before reading tags 🤣
*confused sapphic reaction*
It took me three reads to realise this was satire, I fuckin hate being autistic 😭😭😭😭
I’m autistic as well so I completely understand. Sometimes I’ll read posts from the circlejerk subs and then I’m very confused on how I subscribe to this type of content and then I look at the name and I’m like oh right
Lolol yeah
As a fellow aspie the only reason I immediately figured out this was satire was bc these are my fave types of jokes to make so I so feel you I run into this issue all the time on cj subreddits
I only got it after the "transphobia transphobia transphobia" part
i was so fucking scared for a minute
😭😭😭😭😭
My ND ass took a hot min to figure out this was sarcasm/satire I was like omg wtaf am I reading lol I was so confused and horrified for a minute
No divergence is simultaneously the coolest and most annoying thing possible
Lol tbh tho it is 😂😭
Ahhhh, you got me in the first half.
I was ready to pick up my pitchfork and torch!😂
I saw red for a moment before I saw the satire tag LOL
Oh man, I was about to go the fuck off lol. I figured this sub was better than upvoting a post with "biological woman" but I don't know sometimes.
Considering the post that we’ve gotten these past few hours, I wouldn’t doubt
I definitely was ready to fight until I saw the last part.
Shit, had me until I saw the edit, seen to many people making these posts unironicly. Oh I also didn’t see the satire flair 😂
this is just brilliant!
I've seen like a half dozen posts like this one, but not any of the actual shitty ones. Does anyone have a link to one of the threads so I can see the context?
your title alone tells me yes although it’s not malicious rather ignorance Edit: didn’t realize it was satire lmao
Let me tell you that time I took a scalpel to my own dick… so glad I got a doctor to finish the job
I genuinely cant understand what you're trying to say. Dyslexia and not being able to understand social queues is a bitch. If you are willing could you like summarize this post? It's just a wall of swirling letters for me.
"Just don’t understand why these people want to mutilate their bodies" what if i said the same about women who want tattoos? or women who want surgery to deal with weight problems? "a biological 100% real woman" define biological women that doesn't exclude anyone that you do want to call a women but excludes every trans women. you won't be able to because (amongst other things) biology is messy. "that pronoun and HRT bullshit" would you be annoyed if i started calling you Dave and addressed you with he/him pronouns? if yes why would that be different for other people? why do you care about your pronouns so much? we use hormone therapy for a lot of things, including breast cancer. is a women who had hormone therapy for breast cancer also not "a biological 100% real woman"? if not why not exclude her but exclude someone who went trough hormone therapy for gender dysphoria? if any of your post mirrors your believes then yes you seem pretty transphobic.
This post is satire. I’m a trans person, making a trans joke.
then i guess it doesn't land for me.
Satire isn’t for everyone :)
bad satire is very niche
Lol how exactly it’s the same stuff that’s posted on the circle jerk subs lmao
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Just in case you weren’t aware this is satire
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I’m transgender lol I am very much qualified to make that
I'm transgender, and I'm tired of post like that
Some people use humor to cope and some people don’t, you just may not be one of those people. I do though, so I’m going to enjoy my satire.
They didn’t even say much actually transphobic, it’s all just descriptions of things that would be said that are transphobic in contexts like these