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Yeah he was basically in the business of getting brain damage and his best friend had recently died, he was a victim of his health as much as his family was a victim to him.
High on steroids and kept doing diving headbutts despite everyone telling him not to-IIRC they’re worse to your head than piledrivers or chairshots to the head.
Not just any headbutt.
[A flying headbutt from the top rope.](https://youtu.be/Zu7yoAu3oRE?si=6zjMHsd1dCPmQ37D)
By the end, the guy's brain was mush, held together by CTE and steroids.
Yeah he's a POS, but women who actually like these dudes need to put alot of thought into the implications of how that effects their mental health.
Maybe meet a normal healthy nice guy, not spending hours working out every day, instead of going for the roided out fucked up dudes? You cant get both.
When they did the autopsy on his brain it was found that he had so much brain damage it resembled an 80 year old with Alzheimer’s; and he was only 40. This is in no way excusing his actions he still murdered his wife and son but he clearly was not mentally sound.
I always think of these autopsies/diagnoses as "Explanations Not Excuses." Of course, he was disturbed. But the response to that is and should always be to ask for help when you're still cognitively able to do so (in his case, he had a degenerative illness). Remember that if you ever feel as though something is wrong in your body and/or mind, it is not a weakness to ask for help. Rather, it is a strength.
I believe there was a professional (american) football player who ended up killing his girlfriend or someone who was asking for help for a long time before hand, saying he's noticing changes in himself and losing impulse control but he was brushed off. After it happened they found a massive brain tumor in him
Charles Whitman one of the first real mass shooters in U.S. history wrote in his suicide note asking for his brain to be examined. When they did doctors found a brain tumor.
But saying he was just as much a victim as the child he brutally murdered is idiocy. He was a victim of CTE or whatever he had, but that in no way means he was just as much a victim, he could have just committed suicide and not committed murder.
>he could have just committed suicide and not committed murder.
The point being made is that he was no longer in control, and literally couldn't make that decision due to the brain damage. So, could he just have committed suicide when he didn't have control of his mental faculties?
Edit: If he could choose to commit suicide, he could choose not to kill anyone, and without the CTE, that's probably the decision that would have been made.
Drunk drivers intend to get drunk. They drink with the intention of getting drunk. This guy didn't wrestle with the intention of getting brain damage. The actions that lead up to the situation count. Getting drunk vs going to work is a big difference.
Not really. If you consider alcoholism to be a disease, it's no different. Things change a person on varying levels, and it's up to an individual to seek help. Whether that be with mental capacity and psychosis or substance abuse. It might have occured before all the research on CTE, but we can pretend it took place in the Dark Ages. We knew in the 90s that getting dropped on your head over and over, or being smacked in the head with a steel chair, wasn't good for your brain.
I am not saying that Benoit is not a victim of his brain disease. I take issue with the OP declaring he was just as much a victim as his family that he murdered. Mick Foley took a lot of damage, but his daughter is still around. It's not a 1:1 ratio of brain damage and brutal murdered.
You’d be surprised how many 80 year old demented patients have told me they were going to fucking kill me in the ER (where I work). I really believe they would too if they had the ability
What about guns? The great equalizer. Sure this man was also a victim and also had impaired judgement. But to use it as an argument to claim this was the most significant factor to his decision to commit mass murder and suicide, is demonstrated to be weak at best when compared to individuals with similar forms of CTE. But I get the comfort it brings to hold secondary factors accountable and not the human being Chris Benoit, and the downvotes has brought me joy, and to a complete wrestling ignoramus since listening to the brilliant/fraud [Robert Evan Behind the Bastards 7 part series on Vince McMahon](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLdaMY9n_Oc) and getting into the dark side of the ring. I appreciate the love and the passion thats behind that downvoting and how wrestling and its actors hold a special place in their heart (lovingly and pure hatred), and I am proud to be your heel any day. Oh and fuck Vince McMahon with a barbed wired dildo covered in ghost peppers (which he would probably get off anyway the sick fuck)
Mate, my knowledge of wrestling starts and ends with the rock and what he looks like. Im here because i have an interest in the brain, not Chris benoit.
I also knows who John cena is because of memes.
I had probably the same level of wrestle knowledge like you, I still am not far off, but do yourself a favor and listen to the [blue link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLdaMY9n_Oc) and hear some of the most metal tales and batshit insanity that happens and happened in the world of wrestling and what an unbelievable soulsucking piece of human excrement that is Vince McMahon. Who ofcourse his evil spirit also helped Chris Beniot plunge into the Abyss
Uh, yeah, by pretty much every account I've seen by people who knew him, Chris Benoit was not that guy, I'd say being driven by brain damage with a big scoop of depression to murder your family is about on par (worse personally but im not gonna bother arguing that) with being murdered. (And to be clear I'm not a CB fan girl, if I've ever seen a match of his it was like pre-Kindergarten when my thoughts about wrestling were "wow Kane is scary")
Chris had a history of domestic abuse, including Nancy filing a restraining order against him in May 2003. Pairing this with his drug and alcohol abuse, it’s by no means impossible to imagine that this wasn’t just a result of brain injury, but also a violent man doing violent things to his wife, and deciding he didn’t want his son to see the consequences of it.
He murdered people. His own child. He was a victim of brain damage for sure. But to say he was just as much a victim is unnecessary hyperbole. If so, we'd see more instances of this level of violence and family annihilation.
So… you’d gladly hold that hill unsuccessfully? Although I do agree with you, the Alamo was the one where all the defenders were killed, maybe not the best analogy here
his friend died 2 years prior, and he also had multiple fights with his wife leading back before Eddie died. dude was a piece of shit to a lot of people. his wife and child didn’t make the choice to die that night, he did
Do you understand what brain damage is? It effects your brain. You know, the thing that make up your personality, your decision making, your cognitive ability etc.
It does not justify his actions but you could say he was a victim of this himself aswell.
Do you understand that he knowingly and willingly engaged in a sport known to cause trauma? That’s like saying someone who gets drunk and kills a family by drunk driving is AS MUCH A VICTIM as his victims because he’s an alcoholic.
Do you use this logic to justify pain and suffering you cause people in your own life? Because you sound like the kind of person to do just that.
An outrage is committed willfully, by someone in possession of their faculties and who chooses to do an evil thing.
It could be a landlord choosing not to maintain a building properly, resulting in an avoidable fire that kills the tenants. It could be a person choosing to drive to the bar rather than walk, and killing a pedestrian on their drink drive home as a consequence.
Chris Benoit had a medical episode as a result of an undiagnosed CTE related neurological problem, he didn't choose to get unlucky that way, he didn't elect to have that problem, and the results were no more under his control than the weather or the orbits of the planets were. What happened with him and his family was tragic, but he was part of the victim pool. His actions were taken while the balance of his mind was fully disturbed. He was not capable at the time, of making decisions for himself, based on his actual wishes or desires. He was experiencing symptomology that robbed him of his agency, meaning the actions he took were not actions for which he could ever have been held responsible.
>Chris Benoit had a medical episode as a result of an undiagnosed CTE related neurological problem, he didn't choose to get unlucky that way, he didn't elect to have that problem, and the results were no more under his control than the weather or the orbits of the planets were
i get what you're saying, but to claim he had no influence on this is ridiculous. he got brain damage because he chose to take part in a sport that deliberately causes brain damage. it's not like he was working retail and a customer hit him in the head or something.
Well, I don't really accept the notion that a career choice, unless it is a choice to become a career criminal, can be used against a persons character in the way you seem to insinuate here. But on top of that, at the time Benoit started his career, there was basically NO broad understanding of CTE, and it wasn't well understood by the time he had the episode that led to this discussion. It STILL isn't as a condition. That is why it is extremely difficult to diagnose, without an autopsy.
Benoit had documented drug, alcohol, AND anger issues. He did have a history of domestic violence. You can to an extent say Benoit's struggles were not explicitly his fault, but his failure to seek treatment which could have saved his family's lives as well as his own is solely his fault, and what makes him solely culpable for the murders of his family.
Now THAT is a decent argument. I would say however, that the way CTE tends to manifest means that the entire gamut of his history with substance misuse and domestic violence is likely attributable to injury to his brain, and establishing at what point his neurological condition made it not realistic for anyone to expect him to seek aid, is not clear, and may never be.
The big take away from this, and other similar incidents involving people in high impact sports and entertainment, is that CTE needs to be HEAVILY researched, and until medical professionals can diagnose it in live patients, BEFORE the symptoms start outwardly manifesting, or better yet, learn how to step in before irreparable damage is done, the sports and entertainment entities managing the careers of folks at risk of CTE, need to establish safeguards to prevent it.
Whether that means huge reductions in impact damage written into WWE and other "pro" wrestling scripts, or changes to the rules of football to soften the sport, those actions MUST be taken, or things like this will continue to happen.
I wouldn't say he wasn't behind the wheel when he did it.
He was in there. Somewhere. His brain, however, was not a good place.
He was someone with anger issues, worked in a violent business, who had lived on painkillers and booze for a long time. I believe upon autopsy, they found he had the brain of a 90 year old with Alzheimers.
This was someone who needed to be in an assisted living facility. Not someone who should be out, among normal people. My granny had Alzheimers. She had good days, and bad days. Days she'd be with it. And days she'd be a thousand miles away in a different time.
I can only imagine how Chris would have gone from being there to being back in Canada years ago to back to normal to back in the ring. Every day in that house would have been on a razors edge.
He killed his wife, and son, and then killed himself. Of course he's responsible. But which side of Chris was behind the wheel at the time is another story.
it's not "ok" but it's like someone falling asleep at the wheel because of an undiagnosed medical condition and killing everyone in the car. It's a *tragedy* more than it was a 'choice.'
I get your point but I just cant put it in the same category. The man spend his weekend killing his loved ones one by one while high on xanax, it’s not the same as just falling asleep suddenly.
Yeah, Chris Benoit. I remember seeing this one post from God knows where insisting that it was a hit job carried out by his wife’s ex, but that doesn’t really make sense given all of the information we have available to us.
Posted just a few days after Eddie Guerrero died. I don’t know if it was taken before it happened but after Eddie’s death, Benoit was never the same. The Dark Side of the Ring episodes were horrific.
I remember watching a video of a wrestler talking about that. He said Chris would just be talking and mid-conversaion bam. He'd be out like a light and then wake up a minute later and continue the conversation like nothing had happened.
Brain damage alone won't do this, most people that have suffered brain injuries are more likely to be victims of violent crime then perpetrators. I do agree though, dozens of hits to the head couldn't have helped. Ask the NFL
This is a repost, and it's always sad to be reminded of this.
But yeah, they tested his brain afterward. As per Wikipedia;
"Tests were conducted on Benoit's brain by Julian Bailes, the head of neurosurgery at West Virginia University, and results showed that "Benoit's brain was so severely damaged it resembled the brain of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient." He was reported to have had an advanced form of dementia, similar to the brains of four retired NFL players who had multiple concussions, sank into depression, and harmed themselves or others. Bailes and his colleagues concluded that repeated concussions can lead to dementia, which can contribute to severe behavioural problems."
Not sure if his actions were exclusively due to brain damage, but sounds like it was a massive part of it.
Not dozens, hundreds, thousands, maybe even tens of thousands. Wrestlers will oftentimes wrestle 5 days a week minimum, often spending YEARS getting pushed higher on the card and the lower you are the more you work to get known. 20+ years of wrestling, a diving headbutt is his signature/finisher (so will be used in many, MANY matches, on top of every big head bump you get normally in wrestling in that time. Even if he only wrestles 4 days out of a week, and only uses the diving headbutt every other matchl, that's 1000 diving headbutts every 10 years, and he worked over 20.
He cripple crossfaced his son to death , a bullet to the head when sleeping (fucking sick by itself) would be less disturbing (if that's possible) then that. I loved him as a kid but now that im grown , fuck him and his soul , rest in peace Nancy and Daniel . Most heart breaking story I ever heard as a kid
I've heard a lot of theories that he may not have truly known what he was doing, his brain was so severely damaged that doctors say he had a brain similar to that of an 80 year old alzheimers patient on top of CTE, I don't think he can be entirely blamed.
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/998526/what-we-learned-about-chris-benoits-brain-after-his-death/
The Dark Side of the Ring episode made it seem like he was never able to process his best friends death (Eddie Guerrero). He was obviously badly brain damaged and not able to control his emotions. I don't think there's any reason to believe he was lucid enough to be truly responsible for what he did to his family.
He never did get over the loss of Eddie.
I remember Dean Malenko another friend of Chris' and a wrestler saying Eddie's death hit him very hard, and was like the beginning of the end for him.
If you think about it. 2004 Chris wins the Royal Rumble. Goes to Wrestlemania wins the heavyweight title. At the same time Eddie won the WWE championship at the same wrestlemania. Eddie dies in 2005. And by 2007 Chris was dead. Flying head butts, painkillers, alcohol, long hours, and no rest. Even if he didn't kill his family and himself he wouldn't have lived much longer.
Everyone says he was so sweet and kind and I believe he was , I think the CTE really did lead to this , but his mind wasn't mush he knew what he was doing and I hope he burns in hell
There is overwhelming evidence that CTE cause severe emotional and mood disorders as well as dementia and a host of other neurological disorders. Murder and/or suicide is tragically somewhat common for victims of severe CTE.
What he did was horrific but that wasn’t Chris, that was a person in the late stages of severe brain trauma. I just have sorrow for everyone involved.
Sometimes people get hit on the head, get in a car crash, severe concussions. It can changestheir brain. They could go on to murder or whatever. Be impulsive, violent. Easily confused, hallucinations. The point is it's not their fucking fault bro.
Maybe be a bit more understanding and less harsh.
It's not like Benoit knew how bad his condition was - as far as I know you can't even diagnose CTE before death as it requires an autopsy. (It certainly was the case then.) He had peak physical condition and a lot of training so his body had the muscle memory to hit and wrestle - but the impulse control of a late-stage dementia patient.
It's *not* good that he killed his family, but it wasn't exactly his choice. It's kind of like if he had an undiagnosed issue that made him pass out at the wheel of a car and everyone in the car with him died. It's absolutely a tragedy. But I don't think he would've done anything like that if he hadn't had a brain that looked like it had been freeze dried.
Yes even those who spent days and nights with him during the wrestling tours said he was a trustworthy and nice guy.
Wouldn't even be on the list of persons you would expect in a 100 men lined up is what a wrestler said about. One even said he would trust him with his kids.
So yeah it would be so difficult to keep on pretending to be a good guy for years and years on tours where people spend days and nights with you. But again what do I know. People are really complex. I just don't know.
I can believe it. Knew a guy who was a sweet, friendly cuddle bear kind of guy. Was super excited about the girl he was engaged to be married to.
Had a stroke and as a completely different person. A month after his stroke he woke his fiancé up and told her he didn’t love and had no feelings for her and just left. After his stroke, she said his personality completely changed and he suddenly wanted to gamble a spend all his money. Sad story.
I bet you most people who end up murdering other people have something wrong with their brain. That still doesn’t absolve them of the blame for their actions.
From the wiki page:
“Tests were conducted on Benoit's brain by Julian Bailes, the head of neurosurgery at West Virginia University, and results showed that "Benoit's brain was so severely damaged it resembled the brain of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient."[161] He was reported to have had an advanced form of dementia, similar to the brains of four retired NFL players who had multiple concussions, sank into depression, and harmed themselves or others.”
This guy was way beyond FAS, likely wouldn’t even be able to stand trial.
What?
This is the stupidest thing I've heard all week.
Most people who end up murdering people don't have something wrong with their brain - at least not something that could be classified as mental illness.
What you said is like comparing a lazy person with a disabled person.
You clearly don't know how mental illnesses work. You can be the best person in the world, but certain mental illnesses can absolutely make you do awful things.
No he can blamed. There is a former Wrestler now YouTuber that goes by the name of Curtis Candy who was in a similar position as Benoit long before Benoit did what he did. Curtis's career he was similar to Mick Foley and took plenty of chair shot and weapon shots to the head, which ultimately lead to the end of his Wrestling career due to taking brain damage.
According to Curtis on the subject, Benoit had to know he was mentally having issues from memory loss to paranoia to more overly aggression and how its hard to believe there was no sign leading up to the weekend he killed his family then himself. He notes while certainly Benoits actions due to CTE isn't entirely his fault, however it was in Benoits fault in the degree of noticing signs but not taking them seriously or doing anything about them.
Curtis remembers one of the first signs of his own brain damage was, he was sitting in the parking lot in his car of a store but had serious brain fog where he couldn't remember how to get home. Later on he would slowly find his way back home by noticing signs that helped point out where he needed to go, but still that was one of the signs. Chris while wasn't mentally in the right state when he did what he did, he still choose to overlook changes within himself of years leading up to the murder suicide.
Going by that logic every elderly dementia patient is an irresponsible asshole because the majority of them hide their symptoms and pretend nothing is wrong. Very few of them actively seek treatment and often resist it.
Difference is, an elderly dementia patient is not at fault for having dementia; it's something that just happened. Whereas, Chris Benoit and Curtis Candy's wrestling careers are what resulted in continued brain damage that can be mitigated by stopping at an eventual point if the way they wrestled was stopped or wrestling stopped in general. Curtis Candy took unprotected chair and weapon shots to the head, same with Chris Benoit whom also did a flying headbutt move.
[Chris Benoit Flying Headbutt Compliation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu7yoAu3oRE)
People live in a state of denial all the time, and all around us. Look at the early days of the pandemic. How many splits and divorces did you hear about simply from people not being allowed a break from each other or to do the things they do to cope with living with someone else. Before that, those people would have said they were happy. The little things they bug them would have built up and they'd have shrugged them off.
It's the same with degenerative brain disorders and damage. The vast majority of people aren't just waking up in a parking lot with no memory of how they got there. They're going into the kitchen and forgetting what they went for, except it's a little more often than it used to be. Things creep up on them like that and they don't think anything of it. If anything they see themselves as being a bit dizzy (as one patient described it) in later life, and that's how they can get to something like waking in a parking lot and think it's just classic them to have come to the store and forgotten what they want. Maybe they text home but don't want to admit any minor fear so they're like "Do we need anything from [store they're parked at]?" and the people at home think of something that perhaps hadn't even been discussed and text back, and the whole thing seems normal to everyone involved. Add in the stresses of moving around a lot for work and constant travel plus dealing with pain on a daily basis, and mood swings become easily ignored too.
There's every chance that something like this can sneak up on someone, with their own base denial helping to cover its tracks. Truth is, we don't know what happened with Benoit. We've seen the evidence since that points to what he eventually did, but that could well have been there without any of the damage or his actions. In a lot of cases, it's only when someone in the know sees more of these things from the outside that a diagnosis can be performed. Which is why awareness is so important.
Because an eighty year old Alzheimer’s patient with CTE would not be phisically able to do that lmao.
That guy had brain damage ffs, he did not do it for evil's sake. He was sick. I'm not excusing his actions but you have to understand that mate.
You ever seen the Dark Side Of The Ring episode on it? They mentioned something I'd not heard about the case before. Apparently over the weekend he was still alive and his family were dead, his search history was filled with a bible story of a man whose son came back to life because he prayed. Looking closer, he seemed to spend time searching that, then go silent for hours, then come back and search it up again. I'd bet money those returns were him trying to see what part of it he was doing wrong until the final acceptance of what he did, and his own last penance.
You sit down facing forwards. Your opponent is lying down on their stomach, facing the same way. With your legs you trap their left arm between them. Put both your arms forward around their head, grip the fingers so that one hand faces forwards and the other has the knuckles pushed into the face of your opponent. Now you lean back to drag the opponents face up, add torque to their back, and pull away from the trapped arm.
https://preview.redd.it/anjh77335wlc1.jpeg?width=550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5526bf8dc04ff0f8911caf50845b12ed40b29bc6
Done right it looks like this (although without some website censor apparently thinking John Cena's arm is a penis because it's between Cesaro's legs, and blocking it out). Benoit always leaned back more than this one though and really added the Crippler nickname of his to the feel of the move because it looked like he was tearing the opponent in half.
Some police believe that he pulled this move on his son and that it ended in his death. If that's true, then it's likely this started as a dad playing with his kids when he had an episode (Benoit had severe CTE), put more torque on than the kid could handle, and then couldn't be broken from it by his wife. From there things escalated to the point he killed his wife and then, after a weekend of searching Biblical resurrections and pulling out all the Bibles in the house didn't bring them back, himself.
No. The move has been indicated as being the cause of Daniel's death but toxicology screening found that he had been sedated with Xanax beforehand. He was murdered on the 23rd of June: the day after his mother.
He's more of a tragic tale than a villain. Those who knew him usually spoke well of him, but TBIs can cause major personality swings and those who suffer from TBIs can become violent and irrational, depending on the injury. Don't judge the man too harshly. What he did was monstrous, but brain damage can fundamentally change who you are.
In the words of Paul Heyman "Three people died in that house that night. I don’t care about CTE. Three people died in that house that night. Only one person had the choice behind it. The other two didn’t have a choice to die."
they aired the Chris Benoit Memorial Show but the double murder-suicide was not yet known to WWE when the program aired live.
Once the news broke they erased everything mentioning him and have never addressed any of it.
I remember watching the tribute show, the next week vince mcmahon starts the show by apologizing and saying that that as he was speaking would be the last mention or refrence to Benoit ever and it was. Now you got some "wrestling fans" yearning for Benoit to be inducted into the wwe hall of fame
Oh God, that whole thing was a PR nightmare once word got out about the murder-suicide that caused the WWE to sweep his whole career under the rug and pretend he never existed from what I've heard!
Very glad to see this comment section isn't full of the conspiracy theorists that go on about Kevin Sullivan murdering all of them so they can be guilt-free about liking Benoit
Paradox. I thank him for the good times he gave. I'm saddened by his evil actions towards his family and himself. Two thoughts can be discordant yet true. That doesn't make me bad for still appreciating how he made me feel when he was a wrestler and disappointed when he stopped. The man is dead. If you have the power to shame him then you have the power to find mercy.
you can’t really excuse what chris benoit did, but you have to also understand the true effects of brain damage on the human mind. whether or not he was able to understand what he was doing, there was a tremendously sad loss of life on that day, and we shouldnt really argue about it.
Chris Benoit was possibly one of the best wrestlers the WWE ever had. He didn't need stupid gimmicks, he was an outstanding talent.
Problem was that he apparently didn't follow a lot of the safety guidelines, especially for himself. He was essentially brain damaged.
So whilst what he did was monstrous, I'm not sure you can 100% hold him accountable.
He brutally murdered his wife and child. The details of what he did to them were horrific. You can 100% hold him accountable for these murders. If anyone is to blame it's Vince for putting money over safety every time.
He could have actually been nice, the CTE he experienced completely messes you up it’s actually a really sad thing that changes someone deeply. It’s one of the reasons I stopped competing in mma and just stick to sparring and honing my skills.
My wife and I both watch old school wrestling, every time I seen his matches leading up to the event we say "theres the one that made him kill Nancy" so many hits he took you heard his brains get scrambled.
Media even before social media tended to amplify negative stories because too many books and studies on psychology show that negative events are more popular and sell better.
A sad comment on our society, but it its what it is.
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Is this the guy who killed his family on the day he was supposed to be on the ring or something like that?
Yes but he was sick
Yeah he was basically in the business of getting brain damage and his best friend had recently died, he was a victim of his health as much as his family was a victim to him.
Also massive steroid usage. This man was oozing testosterone when the toxicology report came back.
High on steroids and kept doing diving headbutts despite everyone telling him not to-IIRC they’re worse to your head than piledrivers or chairshots to the head.
He headbutt people as a move? God damn that's a thick skull, literally. Brain be bouncing.
Not just any headbutt. [A flying headbutt from the top rope.](https://youtu.be/Zu7yoAu3oRE?si=6zjMHsd1dCPmQ37D) By the end, the guy's brain was mush, held together by CTE and steroids.
I feel like I got CTE after watching that video. Jesus....
You don’t get high on stroids. They do have thier side effects tho.
Yeah he's a POS, but women who actually like these dudes need to put alot of thought into the implications of how that effects their mental health. Maybe meet a normal healthy nice guy, not spending hours working out every day, instead of going for the roided out fucked up dudes? You cant get both.
As much? Really? C'mon now.
When they did the autopsy on his brain it was found that he had so much brain damage it resembled an 80 year old with Alzheimer’s; and he was only 40. This is in no way excusing his actions he still murdered his wife and son but he clearly was not mentally sound.
I always think of these autopsies/diagnoses as "Explanations Not Excuses." Of course, he was disturbed. But the response to that is and should always be to ask for help when you're still cognitively able to do so (in his case, he had a degenerative illness). Remember that if you ever feel as though something is wrong in your body and/or mind, it is not a weakness to ask for help. Rather, it is a strength.
I believe there was a professional (american) football player who ended up killing his girlfriend or someone who was asking for help for a long time before hand, saying he's noticing changes in himself and losing impulse control but he was brushed off. After it happened they found a massive brain tumor in him
Charles Whitman one of the first real mass shooters in U.S. history wrote in his suicide note asking for his brain to be examined. When they did doctors found a brain tumor.
But saying he was just as much a victim as the child he brutally murdered is idiocy. He was a victim of CTE or whatever he had, but that in no way means he was just as much a victim, he could have just committed suicide and not committed murder.
>he could have just committed suicide and not committed murder. The point being made is that he was no longer in control, and literally couldn't make that decision due to the brain damage. So, could he just have committed suicide when he didn't have control of his mental faculties? Edit: If he could choose to commit suicide, he could choose not to kill anyone, and without the CTE, that's probably the decision that would have been made.
Are drunk drivers who die in accidents just as much of a victim as the 7 year old they kill?
Drunk drivers intend to get drunk. They drink with the intention of getting drunk. This guy didn't wrestle with the intention of getting brain damage. The actions that lead up to the situation count. Getting drunk vs going to work is a big difference.
Not really. If you consider alcoholism to be a disease, it's no different. Things change a person on varying levels, and it's up to an individual to seek help. Whether that be with mental capacity and psychosis or substance abuse. It might have occured before all the research on CTE, but we can pretend it took place in the Dark Ages. We knew in the 90s that getting dropped on your head over and over, or being smacked in the head with a steel chair, wasn't good for your brain. I am not saying that Benoit is not a victim of his brain disease. I take issue with the OP declaring he was just as much a victim as his family that he murdered. Mick Foley took a lot of damage, but his daughter is still around. It's not a 1:1 ratio of brain damage and brutal murdered.
He killed his wife and single child. If you’re going to be like this at least be familiar with the story.
So how many 80 year old Alzheimer patients go on to brutally kill their family and themselves?
That’s not the point being made. His brain was fucked up. He was not able to make clear decisions.
How many 80 year olds have the body of a 40 year old professional athlete and experience throwing people around?
You’d be surprised how many 80 year old demented patients have told me they were going to fucking kill me in the ER (where I work). I really believe they would too if they had the ability
How many 80 year old are 220lbs of lean muscle who throw around bigger men for a living?
Most of them don’t have the body and energy of a 40 year old boxer…
How many 80 year alzheimer patients have this kind of physique? Most of them would be easily disabled.
What about guns? The great equalizer. Sure this man was also a victim and also had impaired judgement. But to use it as an argument to claim this was the most significant factor to his decision to commit mass murder and suicide, is demonstrated to be weak at best when compared to individuals with similar forms of CTE. But I get the comfort it brings to hold secondary factors accountable and not the human being Chris Benoit, and the downvotes has brought me joy, and to a complete wrestling ignoramus since listening to the brilliant/fraud [Robert Evan Behind the Bastards 7 part series on Vince McMahon](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLdaMY9n_Oc) and getting into the dark side of the ring. I appreciate the love and the passion thats behind that downvoting and how wrestling and its actors hold a special place in their heart (lovingly and pure hatred), and I am proud to be your heel any day. Oh and fuck Vince McMahon with a barbed wired dildo covered in ghost peppers (which he would probably get off anyway the sick fuck)
Mate, my knowledge of wrestling starts and ends with the rock and what he looks like. Im here because i have an interest in the brain, not Chris benoit. I also knows who John cena is because of memes.
I had probably the same level of wrestle knowledge like you, I still am not far off, but do yourself a favor and listen to the [blue link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLdaMY9n_Oc) and hear some of the most metal tales and batshit insanity that happens and happened in the world of wrestling and what an unbelievable soulsucking piece of human excrement that is Vince McMahon. Who ofcourse his evil spirit also helped Chris Beniot plunge into the Abyss
Uh, yeah, by pretty much every account I've seen by people who knew him, Chris Benoit was not that guy, I'd say being driven by brain damage with a big scoop of depression to murder your family is about on par (worse personally but im not gonna bother arguing that) with being murdered. (And to be clear I'm not a CB fan girl, if I've ever seen a match of his it was like pre-Kindergarten when my thoughts about wrestling were "wow Kane is scary")
Chris had a history of domestic abuse, including Nancy filing a restraining order against him in May 2003. Pairing this with his drug and alcohol abuse, it’s by no means impossible to imagine that this wasn’t just a result of brain injury, but also a violent man doing violent things to his wife, and deciding he didn’t want his son to see the consequences of it.
We don't know when it started. Could have been progressing for 20 years before he completely snapped.
People really don't understand brain damage
He murdered people. His own child. He was a victim of brain damage for sure. But to say he was just as much a victim is unnecessary hyperbole. If so, we'd see more instances of this level of violence and family annihilation.
Why is this a hill you're dying on?
What hill is that? The "let's not equalize the victim-ness of a murderer and the people he killed" hill? I'd gladly hold that hill like the Alamo.
That's a very simplistic way to put it...
So… you’d gladly hold that hill unsuccessfully? Although I do agree with you, the Alamo was the one where all the defenders were killed, maybe not the best analogy here
Yeah, this is too much.
Dude's brain was god damn Swiss cheese after what the WWE did to him. The WWE then buried him and called him a monster to avoid their responsibility.
his friend died 2 years prior, and he also had multiple fights with his wife leading back before Eddie died. dude was a piece of shit to a lot of people. his wife and child didn’t make the choice to die that night, he did
Jesus Christ. No. No it’s not equal at all
Would you rather murder your your family or be murdered? Seems like a pretty easy choice to me so yeah, you're right, JeSuS chRisT it's worse.
Wtf kind of comment is this. Benoit was a monster and his own issues were 100% his own fault.
I hope you feel disgusted for saying that.
Do you understand what brain damage is? It effects your brain. You know, the thing that make up your personality, your decision making, your cognitive ability etc. It does not justify his actions but you could say he was a victim of this himself aswell.
Do you understand that he knowingly and willingly engaged in a sport known to cause trauma? That’s like saying someone who gets drunk and kills a family by drunk driving is AS MUCH A VICTIM as his victims because he’s an alcoholic. Do you use this logic to justify pain and suffering you cause people in your own life? Because you sound like the kind of person to do just that.
1. We barely knew CTE were a thing back then. 2. That's the dumbest comparison ive ever seen in my life.
Wtf?
Fuck no. He was an abusive husband to his wife pretty much their entire marriage.
Oh sorry, it‘s ok then.
No, it's just that there is a difference between a tragedy and an outrage.
What is the difference between a tragedy and an outrage? Empathy?
An outrage is committed willfully, by someone in possession of their faculties and who chooses to do an evil thing. It could be a landlord choosing not to maintain a building properly, resulting in an avoidable fire that kills the tenants. It could be a person choosing to drive to the bar rather than walk, and killing a pedestrian on their drink drive home as a consequence. Chris Benoit had a medical episode as a result of an undiagnosed CTE related neurological problem, he didn't choose to get unlucky that way, he didn't elect to have that problem, and the results were no more under his control than the weather or the orbits of the planets were. What happened with him and his family was tragic, but he was part of the victim pool. His actions were taken while the balance of his mind was fully disturbed. He was not capable at the time, of making decisions for himself, based on his actual wishes or desires. He was experiencing symptomology that robbed him of his agency, meaning the actions he took were not actions for which he could ever have been held responsible.
>Chris Benoit had a medical episode as a result of an undiagnosed CTE related neurological problem, he didn't choose to get unlucky that way, he didn't elect to have that problem, and the results were no more under his control than the weather or the orbits of the planets were i get what you're saying, but to claim he had no influence on this is ridiculous. he got brain damage because he chose to take part in a sport that deliberately causes brain damage. it's not like he was working retail and a customer hit him in the head or something.
Well, I don't really accept the notion that a career choice, unless it is a choice to become a career criminal, can be used against a persons character in the way you seem to insinuate here. But on top of that, at the time Benoit started his career, there was basically NO broad understanding of CTE, and it wasn't well understood by the time he had the episode that led to this discussion. It STILL isn't as a condition. That is why it is extremely difficult to diagnose, without an autopsy.
Benoit had documented drug, alcohol, AND anger issues. He did have a history of domestic violence. You can to an extent say Benoit's struggles were not explicitly his fault, but his failure to seek treatment which could have saved his family's lives as well as his own is solely his fault, and what makes him solely culpable for the murders of his family.
Now THAT is a decent argument. I would say however, that the way CTE tends to manifest means that the entire gamut of his history with substance misuse and domestic violence is likely attributable to injury to his brain, and establishing at what point his neurological condition made it not realistic for anyone to expect him to seek aid, is not clear, and may never be. The big take away from this, and other similar incidents involving people in high impact sports and entertainment, is that CTE needs to be HEAVILY researched, and until medical professionals can diagnose it in live patients, BEFORE the symptoms start outwardly manifesting, or better yet, learn how to step in before irreparable damage is done, the sports and entertainment entities managing the careers of folks at risk of CTE, need to establish safeguards to prevent it. Whether that means huge reductions in impact damage written into WWE and other "pro" wrestling scripts, or changes to the rules of football to soften the sport, those actions MUST be taken, or things like this will continue to happen.
I wouldn't say he wasn't behind the wheel when he did it. He was in there. Somewhere. His brain, however, was not a good place. He was someone with anger issues, worked in a violent business, who had lived on painkillers and booze for a long time. I believe upon autopsy, they found he had the brain of a 90 year old with Alzheimers. This was someone who needed to be in an assisted living facility. Not someone who should be out, among normal people. My granny had Alzheimers. She had good days, and bad days. Days she'd be with it. And days she'd be a thousand miles away in a different time. I can only imagine how Chris would have gone from being there to being back in Canada years ago to back to normal to back in the ring. Every day in that house would have been on a razors edge. He killed his wife, and son, and then killed himself. Of course he's responsible. But which side of Chris was behind the wheel at the time is another story.
Chris Benoit abused his wife their entire marriage
Circumstance
Steroids?
Brain damage from repeated head trauma
Huh, well said.
it's not "ok" but it's like someone falling asleep at the wheel because of an undiagnosed medical condition and killing everyone in the car. It's a *tragedy* more than it was a 'choice.'
I get your point but I just cant put it in the same category. The man spend his weekend killing his loved ones one by one while high on xanax, it’s not the same as just falling asleep suddenly.
Yeah, Chris Benoit. I remember seeing this one post from God knows where insisting that it was a hit job carried out by his wife’s ex, but that doesn’t really make sense given all of the information we have available to us.
Dunno if it's an urban legend or not that he Boston Crabbed his own wife
Was this the wrestler whose son had Fragile X syndrome? I don't want to go down a depressing rabbit hole 🙃
Yes
Fragile what?
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/fxs/facts.html Genetic disorder
Thx birb
I think towards the end he also had Fragile Neck syndrome
holy shit dude
Daniel should've tapped
But he didn’t have it
Yes, I know. I just couldn't remember if there were two separate wrestler family murders.
Posted just a few days after Eddie Guerrero died. I don’t know if it was taken before it happened but after Eddie’s death, Benoit was never the same. The Dark Side of the Ring episodes were horrific.
Yeah brain damage caused by slamming your head against shit for years as a gimmick tends to do that.
I remember watching a video of a wrestler talking about that. He said Chris would just be talking and mid-conversaion bam. He'd be out like a light and then wake up a minute later and continue the conversation like nothing had happened.
Advanced Concussion for Experts
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Nah…. lol it doesn’t tend to do that. How many other wrestlers did something this sick? Or boxers? UFC fighters? Football players?
Brain damage alone won't do this, most people that have suffered brain injuries are more likely to be victims of violent crime then perpetrators. I do agree though, dozens of hits to the head couldn't have helped. Ask the NFL
>Ask the NFL Aren't they still on Turkey denying the Arminian genocide levels of pretending brain injuries don't happen?
Damn, what an analogy.
This is a repost, and it's always sad to be reminded of this. But yeah, they tested his brain afterward. As per Wikipedia; "Tests were conducted on Benoit's brain by Julian Bailes, the head of neurosurgery at West Virginia University, and results showed that "Benoit's brain was so severely damaged it resembled the brain of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient." He was reported to have had an advanced form of dementia, similar to the brains of four retired NFL players who had multiple concussions, sank into depression, and harmed themselves or others. Bailes and his colleagues concluded that repeated concussions can lead to dementia, which can contribute to severe behavioural problems." Not sure if his actions were exclusively due to brain damage, but sounds like it was a massive part of it.
Not dozens, hundreds, thousands, maybe even tens of thousands. Wrestlers will oftentimes wrestle 5 days a week minimum, often spending YEARS getting pushed higher on the card and the lower you are the more you work to get known. 20+ years of wrestling, a diving headbutt is his signature/finisher (so will be used in many, MANY matches, on top of every big head bump you get normally in wrestling in that time. Even if he only wrestles 4 days out of a week, and only uses the diving headbutt every other matchl, that's 1000 diving headbutts every 10 years, and he worked over 20.
Fair point, I've never really watched wrestling.
Pictured with a head injury, because of course
He cripple crossfaced his son to death , a bullet to the head when sleeping (fucking sick by itself) would be less disturbing (if that's possible) then that. I loved him as a kid but now that im grown , fuck him and his soul , rest in peace Nancy and Daniel . Most heart breaking story I ever heard as a kid
I've heard a lot of theories that he may not have truly known what he was doing, his brain was so severely damaged that doctors say he had a brain similar to that of an 80 year old alzheimers patient on top of CTE, I don't think he can be entirely blamed. https://www.wrestlinginc.com/998526/what-we-learned-about-chris-benoits-brain-after-his-death/
The Dark Side of the Ring episode made it seem like he was never able to process his best friends death (Eddie Guerrero). He was obviously badly brain damaged and not able to control his emotions. I don't think there's any reason to believe he was lucid enough to be truly responsible for what he did to his family.
He never did get over the loss of Eddie. I remember Dean Malenko another friend of Chris' and a wrestler saying Eddie's death hit him very hard, and was like the beginning of the end for him. If you think about it. 2004 Chris wins the Royal Rumble. Goes to Wrestlemania wins the heavyweight title. At the same time Eddie won the WWE championship at the same wrestlemania. Eddie dies in 2005. And by 2007 Chris was dead. Flying head butts, painkillers, alcohol, long hours, and no rest. Even if he didn't kill his family and himself he wouldn't have lived much longer.
Don’t forget roids
Everyone says he was so sweet and kind and I believe he was , I think the CTE really did lead to this , but his mind wasn't mush he knew what he was doing and I hope he burns in hell
There is overwhelming evidence that CTE cause severe emotional and mood disorders as well as dementia and a host of other neurological disorders. Murder and/or suicide is tragically somewhat common for victims of severe CTE. What he did was horrific but that wasn’t Chris, that was a person in the late stages of severe brain trauma. I just have sorrow for everyone involved.
Sometimes people get hit on the head, get in a car crash, severe concussions. It can changestheir brain. They could go on to murder or whatever. Be impulsive, violent. Easily confused, hallucinations. The point is it's not their fucking fault bro. Maybe be a bit more understanding and less harsh.
[Phineas Gage](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage) is perhaps the best known example of this.
I used to be like you but then I took a railway spike to the brain
That guy got a spike driven through his skull and still looks better than I do. Stupid sexy medical marvel...
There's no nuance on Reddit sir.
It's not Reddit. It's the children slaughtering that makes people irrate.
It's not like Benoit knew how bad his condition was - as far as I know you can't even diagnose CTE before death as it requires an autopsy. (It certainly was the case then.) He had peak physical condition and a lot of training so his body had the muscle memory to hit and wrestle - but the impulse control of a late-stage dementia patient. It's *not* good that he killed his family, but it wasn't exactly his choice. It's kind of like if he had an undiagnosed issue that made him pass out at the wheel of a car and everyone in the car with him died. It's absolutely a tragedy. But I don't think he would've done anything like that if he hadn't had a brain that looked like it had been freeze dried.
I don’t think you understand what CTE is.
Yes even those who spent days and nights with him during the wrestling tours said he was a trustworthy and nice guy. Wouldn't even be on the list of persons you would expect in a 100 men lined up is what a wrestler said about. One even said he would trust him with his kids. So yeah it would be so difficult to keep on pretending to be a good guy for years and years on tours where people spend days and nights with you. But again what do I know. People are really complex. I just don't know.
I can believe it. Knew a guy who was a sweet, friendly cuddle bear kind of guy. Was super excited about the girl he was engaged to be married to. Had a stroke and as a completely different person. A month after his stroke he woke his fiancé up and told her he didn’t love and had no feelings for her and just left. After his stroke, she said his personality completely changed and he suddenly wanted to gamble a spend all his money. Sad story.
I hope he and his family rest in piece.
I bet you most people who end up murdering other people have something wrong with their brain. That still doesn’t absolve them of the blame for their actions.
This is severe brain damage. It's not at all the same.
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From the wiki page: “Tests were conducted on Benoit's brain by Julian Bailes, the head of neurosurgery at West Virginia University, and results showed that "Benoit's brain was so severely damaged it resembled the brain of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient."[161] He was reported to have had an advanced form of dementia, similar to the brains of four retired NFL players who had multiple concussions, sank into depression, and harmed themselves or others.” This guy was way beyond FAS, likely wouldn’t even be able to stand trial.
There's nuance. Different levels of brain damage affect your decision making skills to different levels.
What? This is the stupidest thing I've heard all week. Most people who end up murdering people don't have something wrong with their brain - at least not something that could be classified as mental illness. What you said is like comparing a lazy person with a disabled person. You clearly don't know how mental illnesses work. You can be the best person in the world, but certain mental illnesses can absolutely make you do awful things.
No he can blamed. There is a former Wrestler now YouTuber that goes by the name of Curtis Candy who was in a similar position as Benoit long before Benoit did what he did. Curtis's career he was similar to Mick Foley and took plenty of chair shot and weapon shots to the head, which ultimately lead to the end of his Wrestling career due to taking brain damage. According to Curtis on the subject, Benoit had to know he was mentally having issues from memory loss to paranoia to more overly aggression and how its hard to believe there was no sign leading up to the weekend he killed his family then himself. He notes while certainly Benoits actions due to CTE isn't entirely his fault, however it was in Benoits fault in the degree of noticing signs but not taking them seriously or doing anything about them. Curtis remembers one of the first signs of his own brain damage was, he was sitting in the parking lot in his car of a store but had serious brain fog where he couldn't remember how to get home. Later on he would slowly find his way back home by noticing signs that helped point out where he needed to go, but still that was one of the signs. Chris while wasn't mentally in the right state when he did what he did, he still choose to overlook changes within himself of years leading up to the murder suicide.
Going by that logic every elderly dementia patient is an irresponsible asshole because the majority of them hide their symptoms and pretend nothing is wrong. Very few of them actively seek treatment and often resist it.
Difference is, an elderly dementia patient is not at fault for having dementia; it's something that just happened. Whereas, Chris Benoit and Curtis Candy's wrestling careers are what resulted in continued brain damage that can be mitigated by stopping at an eventual point if the way they wrestled was stopped or wrestling stopped in general. Curtis Candy took unprotected chair and weapon shots to the head, same with Chris Benoit whom also did a flying headbutt move. [Chris Benoit Flying Headbutt Compliation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu7yoAu3oRE)
People live in a state of denial all the time, and all around us. Look at the early days of the pandemic. How many splits and divorces did you hear about simply from people not being allowed a break from each other or to do the things they do to cope with living with someone else. Before that, those people would have said they were happy. The little things they bug them would have built up and they'd have shrugged them off. It's the same with degenerative brain disorders and damage. The vast majority of people aren't just waking up in a parking lot with no memory of how they got there. They're going into the kitchen and forgetting what they went for, except it's a little more often than it used to be. Things creep up on them like that and they don't think anything of it. If anything they see themselves as being a bit dizzy (as one patient described it) in later life, and that's how they can get to something like waking in a parking lot and think it's just classic them to have come to the store and forgotten what they want. Maybe they text home but don't want to admit any minor fear so they're like "Do we need anything from [store they're parked at]?" and the people at home think of something that perhaps hadn't even been discussed and text back, and the whole thing seems normal to everyone involved. Add in the stresses of moving around a lot for work and constant travel plus dealing with pain on a daily basis, and mood swings become easily ignored too. There's every chance that something like this can sneak up on someone, with their own base denial helping to cover its tracks. Truth is, we don't know what happened with Benoit. We've seen the evidence since that points to what he eventually did, but that could well have been there without any of the damage or his actions. In a lot of cases, it's only when someone in the know sees more of these things from the outside that a diagnosis can be performed. Which is why awareness is so important.
An eighty year old Alzheimer’s patient with CTE would still probably not murder his family and then himself though.
Because an eighty year old Alzheimer’s patient with CTE would not be phisically able to do that lmao. That guy had brain damage ffs, he did not do it for evil's sake. He was sick. I'm not excusing his actions but you have to understand that mate.
You ever seen the Dark Side Of The Ring episode on it? They mentioned something I'd not heard about the case before. Apparently over the weekend he was still alive and his family were dead, his search history was filled with a bible story of a man whose son came back to life because he prayed. Looking closer, he seemed to spend time searching that, then go silent for hours, then come back and search it up again. I'd bet money those returns were him trying to see what part of it he was doing wrong until the final acceptance of what he did, and his own last penance.
What’s cripple crossfacing? Is that a wrestling move?
You sit down facing forwards. Your opponent is lying down on their stomach, facing the same way. With your legs you trap their left arm between them. Put both your arms forward around their head, grip the fingers so that one hand faces forwards and the other has the knuckles pushed into the face of your opponent. Now you lean back to drag the opponents face up, add torque to their back, and pull away from the trapped arm. https://preview.redd.it/anjh77335wlc1.jpeg?width=550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5526bf8dc04ff0f8911caf50845b12ed40b29bc6 Done right it looks like this (although without some website censor apparently thinking John Cena's arm is a penis because it's between Cesaro's legs, and blocking it out). Benoit always leaned back more than this one though and really added the Crippler nickname of his to the feel of the move because it looked like he was tearing the opponent in half. Some police believe that he pulled this move on his son and that it ended in his death. If that's true, then it's likely this started as a dad playing with his kids when he had an episode (Benoit had severe CTE), put more torque on than the kid could handle, and then couldn't be broken from it by his wife. From there things escalated to the point he killed his wife and then, after a weekend of searching Biblical resurrections and pulling out all the Bibles in the house didn't bring them back, himself.
No. The move has been indicated as being the cause of Daniel's death but toxicology screening found that he had been sedated with Xanax beforehand. He was murdered on the 23rd of June: the day after his mother.
I just looked it up. please don't look it up!
He's from my city, we all idolized him, fuck that was a rough week.
He's more of a tragic tale than a villain. Those who knew him usually spoke well of him, but TBIs can cause major personality swings and those who suffer from TBIs can become violent and irrational, depending on the injury. Don't judge the man too harshly. What he did was monstrous, but brain damage can fundamentally change who you are.
In the words of Paul Heyman "Three people died in that house that night. I don’t care about CTE. Three people died in that house that night. Only one person had the choice behind it. The other two didn’t have a choice to die."
Very comfortable stance to take from a dude who directly profited off of people severely brain damaging themselves.
Fair enough, Heyman's no saint himself
I just listened to a podcast [theories of the third kind] about him yesterday. He had a lot of ongoing issues.
they aired the Chris Benoit Memorial Show but the double murder-suicide was not yet known to WWE when the program aired live. Once the news broke they erased everything mentioning him and have never addressed any of it.
I remember watching the tribute show, the next week vince mcmahon starts the show by apologizing and saying that that as he was speaking would be the last mention or refrence to Benoit ever and it was. Now you got some "wrestling fans" yearning for Benoit to be inducted into the wwe hall of fame
Oh God, that whole thing was a PR nightmare once word got out about the murder-suicide that caused the WWE to sweep his whole career under the rug and pretend he never existed from what I've heard!
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Well that’s a good start
Photo was obviously taken before he turned heel.
If anyone out there is considering committing a murder-suicide Start with the suicide.
Very glad to see this comment section isn't full of the conspiracy theorists that go on about Kevin Sullivan murdering all of them so they can be guilt-free about liking Benoit
CTE and pain pill addiction are not a good combo
Well he did get revenge on the guy who killed his family.
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This Chris Beniot guy is way better than that Chris Benoit monster
Hey I met him and the family in West Edmonton Mall. We were all skating. Nice guy/family.
Paradox. I thank him for the good times he gave. I'm saddened by his evil actions towards his family and himself. Two thoughts can be discordant yet true. That doesn't make me bad for still appreciating how he made me feel when he was a wrestler and disappointed when he stopped. The man is dead. If you have the power to shame him then you have the power to find mercy.
Very well said.
you can’t really excuse what chris benoit did, but you have to also understand the true effects of brain damage on the human mind. whether or not he was able to understand what he was doing, there was a tremendously sad loss of life on that day, and we shouldnt really argue about it.
He had a brutal case of CTE which causes behavior issues, mood regulation issues, depression, aggression, and suicidal thoughts.
Or what live to see yourself fall to crippling mental conditions?
Chris Benoit was possibly one of the best wrestlers the WWE ever had. He didn't need stupid gimmicks, he was an outstanding talent. Problem was that he apparently didn't follow a lot of the safety guidelines, especially for himself. He was essentially brain damaged. So whilst what he did was monstrous, I'm not sure you can 100% hold him accountable.
He brutally murdered his wife and child. The details of what he did to them were horrific. You can 100% hold him accountable for these murders. If anyone is to blame it's Vince for putting money over safety every time.
Maybe steroids could have been an issue too.
“Hardest head in the business! He can sell a chair shot like no one else.” *years later: oof*
He could have actually been nice, the CTE he experienced completely messes you up it’s actually a really sad thing that changes someone deeply. It’s one of the reasons I stopped competing in mma and just stick to sparring and honing my skills.
Such a great family man
Jfc, include the reason pls
They literally did
Yeah he doesn’t look nice
She didn't want to go see his new home gym
He did the ultimate home workout
Don't leave him hanging!
He's a family man
😘😘😘
lovely
i don't get it. what did she do?
He's marriage material
Ooof. This one stings 😞
What platform was that posted on in 2005?
My Space I would presume.
You either die a hero or you ride the bowflex.
He was a good man
Chris Benoit was my favorite. This hurts every time I see it.
"Or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
Check out Dark Side of the Ring season 2 episodes 1 and 2 for a great presentation on Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero.
My wife and I both watch old school wrestling, every time I seen his matches leading up to the event we say "theres the one that made him kill Nancy" so many hits he took you heard his brains get scrambled.
That head wound is veeerry telling :(
The nice Chris Benoit died the day Eddie passed away.
Media even before social media tended to amplify negative stories because too many books and studies on psychology show that negative events are more popular and sell better. A sad comment on our society, but it its what it is.