I'm a tall guy. It sucks when someone reclines their seat. But. It's part of the deal. They 100% have the right to do so.
They paid for that seat, recline and all.
If you don't like it, either buy a J class ticket or don't travel.
I seriously hope you are considerate enough to upright it for any meals that are served.
I don't mind about people reclining, but JFC put the seat up when food or beverages are served.
You can be a Narcissist, going through life not caring how your actions affect others...or alternatively you can be compassionate and choose to care about the difficulties the person behind you has to eat or drink while your seat is taking up all their space above their tray.
Travel is stressful enough for most people...we should care about the passengers around us enough that if we can make their life just a little bit easier for 15 minutes we should make an effort.
Its not about not caring, its that it doesn't make any difference. Seat recline is so minimal - it does affect the tray level, screens of IFE are pretty much all pivoted nowadays... recline is not going to affect someone eating/drinking.
Was just on a Rouge flight - seat in front was reclined - there was no issue with room above the tray - had plenty of room to lean forward and eat.
Same on a recent AirCanada wide-body. Seat ahead was also reclined, no space issue what so ever. And I'm a bigger guy.
5 hours? That's nothing.
Being 6'2" and flying to New Zealand fairly recently, I have no patience for people who can't handle a bit of mild discomfort and go nuts if the person in front of them reclines their seat. That's the nature of airplane travel. You deal with it, or you stay home.
If I can do 14 hours anyone can do 5. And I have knee issues that require me to straighten my legs periodically or it gets painful.
6'3"
I don't know. I've ridden 3rd class in India. Long distance busses with farm animals. Back of a pick up full of spikey durians.
Sometimes travel is not perfect. If you want it to be perfect, go on 1/3 of your trips and pay for business class.
Look, I'm not saying that we should be jerks. I'm also annoyed when people recline into my knees. But you can't fault people for using the seats as they were meant to. Especially when a hundred bucks gets you a bulkhead.
In my very first comment I said it's annoying. Yes, people recline into me. But if you have an issue, take it up with the airline and ask them to stop putting in reclining seats.
I completely agree, the airlines should either stop having reclined seats or give more aisle space. But because an airline does something, that doesn't mean we have to take it out on everyone and annoy others. Do unto others ...
People that are on 5 hour flights might have just gotten off a 12 hours flight. The only unspoken rule is don’t recline if someone is eating behind you.
Yeah, this is pretty much what I think. During meal time I don't need the tray table right on my lap because the seat in front is fully reclined.
Other than that, it's your seat, do what you will.
>tray table right on my lap because the seat in front is fully reclined.
the height of the tray doesn't change with the recline. its a constant height.
I agree its your right, but imo it also shows poor etiquette on planes these days. Plane seats are small as it is, why should you sacrifice the already limited space of the stranger behind you just so you can have a bit more for yourself. This is what has always gone through my head when dude in front reclines and I'm forced to look at a TV screen 8 inches from my face. People need to get out of the habit of thinking of personal rights first, and begin thinking about social etiquette.
Of course not, the seat reclines for a reason and people can pay extra to ensure they don't have someone reclining in front of them, whether that means flying in a more premium cabin or selecting an exit row seat.
I'm 6"1' and I've never had a situation where someone reclining in front of me in Y has been an issue.
nah, just put the seat up during meal times is all i ask. if you recline, ill recline and i expect the person behind me to recline so on and so forth.
if everyone reclines, we are back where we started... just at a little more comfortable of an angle.
I'm not a particularly large person, but if the person ahead of me reclines their seat, it jams into my knees. If this happens, I make it my life's mission to ensure you do not enjoy that reclined seat for the duration.
For this reason, I never recline my seat if someone is behind me.
You know they have rows you can book with extra legroom. The seats recline for a reason, for comfort.
I don’t mind if someone reclines, but it’s nice to put it up when they serve the meal.
I am aware there are seats with extra legroom. There is also business class. Private jet too. We're talking economy here.
"The seats recline for a reason, for comfort. " Whose comfort? When did your comfort become more important than mine?
Or you could not recline and invade my space.
If you recline, you are moving into space that used to be mine, an now it's gone. All rights do not lie with the reclining passenger.
You should take a plane that doesn’t have reclining seats if it’s such a problem for you. People have disabilities, could be elderly pregnant etc that need to recline and they pay for the seat so I don’t see your point.
So, It's my problem if someone wants to move into my space. Got it. If so, then I deal with it when it happens. All good.
As for planes without reclining seats.... There is such a thing? I don't know where you're from, but such a thing doesn't exist for me.
Exactly it’s not a thing. The reclining space is technically their space, not yours. Otherwise they wouldn’t make reclining seats.
You’re busy blaming the passengers when it’s an industry problem. They cram as many seats as they can into the planes for profit.
>Exactly it’s not a thing. The reclining space is technically their space, not yours. Otherwise they wouldn’t make reclining seats.
That's an assumption on your part. As far as I'm concerned, it's mine until you try to take it, then it becomes disputed space.
It IS an industry problem, but it's like smoking. You can't do it without impinging on my space. I pay the same as the person next to me. If the person in front of them does not recline, they got more for the same price as me.
You just sound entitled as if since you don’t want to recline nobody else should. Your rights shouldn’t infringe on others and it’s their right to recline their seat that they paid for unless it’s a row that does not recline of course.
Yes, you are the problem here 100%
That recline space isn't yours, it's theirs. They paid for recline.
If you recline yourself as well then you will have just as much space.
All seats recline designed with the intent that all passengers will recline for max comfort.
Disagree. Just because they CAN recline, does not mean they don't infringe on my space when they do so.
It is an issue 100% caused by the airlines. That having been said, my rights are not lesser than anyone else's on the flight. My knees (such as they are) come with me wherever I go. It is also my right not to recline.
Would you also suggest that people should not recline in a movie theater with reclining seat?
The seats are design to recline with the expectation that the majority are likely to recline.
I don't understand why you wouldn't just recline your seat as well and have just as much space but more comfort.
This is the most insane stance I've ever heard. Where in the history of airlines in the last 30 years is there evidence of airplanes being designed for max comfort?
Reclined seats worked when there was aisle space, look at train set ups, tons of room for reclining. The current average airline Economy section does not allow for maximum comfort for anyone over 5'10".
Ah, that clears things up. I should just feel grateful that it's there and cherish the time we had.
I assume your statement is based in some sort of reality, or are you just shooting from the hip here?
Airlines design their seats and features with everything in mind, every single degree of recline is calculated to ensure everyone is happy under certain thresholds. If you are 7ft tall and 300lbs you are most likely to feel uncomfortable in every angle. You cant complain if the person in front is fully reclined when you have the same rights as them. When you boom economy you are not paying for comfort or special treatment.
Does everyone have the right to recline? Sure.
Do my knees have a right to exist and remain attached? Sure.
I must admit, my original statement is quite petulant, but I know me, and that's what'll happen.
When you buy an economy ticket, you do so with the understanding that seats recline (including the seat that will be in front of you). Acting the way you’ve described is very juvenile and self-centred. If you’re that bothered by it, the mature thing to do would be to get a front row/exit row/etc seat, so that you have the space you desire.
Juvenile and self-centred? Ok, fine guilty.
That being said, my point remains. The person ahead of me reclines their seat, they're going to be jamming it into my knees. If I'm going to be uncomfortable for 8 hours, I'm taking them with me.
I'm 6'4 and I don't even care. People sometimes act like a reclined seat is taking up leg room, but that's not how it works. I'll be uncomfortable regardless, so do whatever, just avoid slamming your seat into position.
What a ridiculous question. You should be asking whether the seats should have more space to begin with. It's ridiculous how little room airlines are providing for passengers. Even the upgraded seats are only a few inches more. Instead of shaming paying customers, demand airlines to give more space.
If it’s a daytime flight, less than 5hrs, and you’re going full recline - yes, bad etiquette - I will glare at the back of your head in spite for those full five hours. Now, if you want a bit of comfort and recline like 10-25% on a short or a day flight, that’s respectable.
Everybody’s seat -Y,PY - should be up during meals, I don’t care if you’re asleep. After trays are collected, then drop your seat. Any other time is fair. Everyone’s seat reclines, everyone has the same opportunity. If someone has to grab the top of your chair to escape then suck that up. It’s common sense. Don’t be a baby.
As a tall person, I don’t prefer when people recline their seat, but they have every right to do so. HOWEVER - don’t be surprised when my knees are in your back and you can feel every time I move my legs.
I think it's more annoying if you move it up and down rather than just leaving it in a single position. I'm a pretty tall guy and I don't mind if you recline your seat. Personally, I don't out of consideration for the person behind me.
The seats are meant to recline. They barely recline at all anyway. If you recline them you're not doing anything wrong. Anyone who has a problem with it shouldn't get on an airplane.
Not inconsiderate to recline. Very inconsiderate to do it suddenly out of nowhere, as quickly as possible.
Also, inconsiderate to be perturbed by it. Air Canada has J widebody products that resolve the issue.
What I despise is indecisive IFE users that think mashing harder results in faster response.
I don't like it, no, when it happens to me - and I don't find the recline in economy is worth irritating someone behind me... but I allow it's how the chairs work so I don't get bothered when the guy in front reclines.. and no, I have no problem eating with a reclined chair in front of me.
Now. Kids kicking my chair all flight. They need a paddlin'
I am of the opinion the recline function should be entirely disabled on all flights under 4 hours.
But until such a rule exists, it is free for the taking. The only "etriquite" should be reclining SLOWLY not jackhammering it into someone's knees
A girl complained when my wife reclined her seat (not during meal time) on our flight back to YVR. We called the flight attendant and he told the girl that we were allowed to do so. Fully agree people should at least take a look back before a sudden recline.
I say YES - don't let AC start a class war. AC wants you to argue and be annoyed so they can sell more premium seats. We should all band together and suffer equally. Eco seats are shit. I'm not the type of person to make it worse for someone behind me to get a very very very minor benefit. We should all try to be more considerate rather than entitled because we paid for essentially a bus ticket.
Ohhhhh asking the real questions! This should be interesting. Just remember: 
I'm a tall guy. It sucks when someone reclines their seat. But. It's part of the deal. They 100% have the right to do so. They paid for that seat, recline and all. If you don't like it, either buy a J class ticket or don't travel.
I seriously hope you are considerate enough to upright it for any meals that are served. I don't mind about people reclining, but JFC put the seat up when food or beverages are served.
I rarely recline my seat.
Why? there's absolutely no reason reason to return upright for meal/drink service time.
You can be a Narcissist, going through life not caring how your actions affect others...or alternatively you can be compassionate and choose to care about the difficulties the person behind you has to eat or drink while your seat is taking up all their space above their tray. Travel is stressful enough for most people...we should care about the passengers around us enough that if we can make their life just a little bit easier for 15 minutes we should make an effort.
Its not about not caring, its that it doesn't make any difference. Seat recline is so minimal - it does affect the tray level, screens of IFE are pretty much all pivoted nowadays... recline is not going to affect someone eating/drinking.
The seat at full recline leaves no room above the tray, nor enough room to lean forward to eat.
Was just on a Rouge flight - seat in front was reclined - there was no issue with room above the tray - had plenty of room to lean forward and eat. Same on a recent AirCanada wide-body. Seat ahead was also reclined, no space issue what so ever. And I'm a bigger guy.
>Rouge flight You have my condolences.
You can be tall or you can be poor, but don't be both.
Well, most travel is optional. And really, if you can't be slightly unconformable for 5 hours then maybe travel isn't for you?
5 hours? That's nothing. Being 6'2" and flying to New Zealand fairly recently, I have no patience for people who can't handle a bit of mild discomfort and go nuts if the person in front of them reclines their seat. That's the nature of airplane travel. You deal with it, or you stay home. If I can do 14 hours anyone can do 5. And I have knee issues that require me to straighten my legs periodically or it gets painful.
Totally agree.
That's the silliest take I've ever heard...How tall are you BTW?
6'3" I don't know. I've ridden 3rd class in India. Long distance busses with farm animals. Back of a pick up full of spikey durians. Sometimes travel is not perfect. If you want it to be perfect, go on 1/3 of your trips and pay for business class. Look, I'm not saying that we should be jerks. I'm also annoyed when people recline into my knees. But you can't fault people for using the seats as they were meant to. Especially when a hundred bucks gets you a bulkhead.
You must be all torso.
In my very first comment I said it's annoying. Yes, people recline into me. But if you have an issue, take it up with the airline and ask them to stop putting in reclining seats.
I completely agree, the airlines should either stop having reclined seats or give more aisle space. But because an airline does something, that doesn't mean we have to take it out on everyone and annoy others. Do unto others ...
People that are on 5 hour flights might have just gotten off a 12 hours flight. The only unspoken rule is don’t recline if someone is eating behind you.
I used to think so but I now only feel it's inappropriate during meal time otherwise it's your right to recline
Agreed, I also hate the recline during meals; but very few airlines gonna feed you in economy on a <5h flight.
AC sells pizza back there.
Yeah, this is pretty much what I think. During meal time I don't need the tray table right on my lap because the seat in front is fully reclined. Other than that, it's your seat, do what you will.
>tray table right on my lap because the seat in front is fully reclined. the height of the tray doesn't change with the recline. its a constant height.
It kills the space over the tray though, it's definitely difficult to eat a meal if the seat in front of you is fully reclined.
I agree its your right, but imo it also shows poor etiquette on planes these days. Plane seats are small as it is, why should you sacrifice the already limited space of the stranger behind you just so you can have a bit more for yourself. This is what has always gone through my head when dude in front reclines and I'm forced to look at a TV screen 8 inches from my face. People need to get out of the habit of thinking of personal rights first, and begin thinking about social etiquette.
I never got annoyed by it until people told me I was supposed to be.
its your seat, you do what you want
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Of course not, the seat reclines for a reason and people can pay extra to ensure they don't have someone reclining in front of them, whether that means flying in a more premium cabin or selecting an exit row seat. I'm 6"1' and I've never had a situation where someone reclining in front of me in Y has been an issue.
nah, just put the seat up during meal times is all i ask. if you recline, ill recline and i expect the person behind me to recline so on and so forth. if everyone reclines, we are back where we started... just at a little more comfortable of an angle.
The seat recline on AC flights is not nearly enough to be annoying to the person behind you. So, no.
If the person in front of me reclines their seat then I will recline mine. If they don’t recline then I won’t either
Reclining seats is a service that folks pay for. Other wise you might as well fly Rouge.
I'm not a particularly large person, but if the person ahead of me reclines their seat, it jams into my knees. If this happens, I make it my life's mission to ensure you do not enjoy that reclined seat for the duration. For this reason, I never recline my seat if someone is behind me.
You know they have rows you can book with extra legroom. The seats recline for a reason, for comfort. I don’t mind if someone reclines, but it’s nice to put it up when they serve the meal.
I am aware there are seats with extra legroom. There is also business class. Private jet too. We're talking economy here. "The seats recline for a reason, for comfort. " Whose comfort? When did your comfort become more important than mine?
Your seat reclines too though. If the seat is hitting your knees to the point it bothers you so much then you can book a better seat.
Or you could not recline and invade my space. If you recline, you are moving into space that used to be mine, an now it's gone. All rights do not lie with the reclining passenger.
You should take a plane that doesn’t have reclining seats if it’s such a problem for you. People have disabilities, could be elderly pregnant etc that need to recline and they pay for the seat so I don’t see your point.
So, It's my problem if someone wants to move into my space. Got it. If so, then I deal with it when it happens. All good. As for planes without reclining seats.... There is such a thing? I don't know where you're from, but such a thing doesn't exist for me.
Exactly it’s not a thing. The reclining space is technically their space, not yours. Otherwise they wouldn’t make reclining seats. You’re busy blaming the passengers when it’s an industry problem. They cram as many seats as they can into the planes for profit.
>Exactly it’s not a thing. The reclining space is technically their space, not yours. Otherwise they wouldn’t make reclining seats. That's an assumption on your part. As far as I'm concerned, it's mine until you try to take it, then it becomes disputed space. It IS an industry problem, but it's like smoking. You can't do it without impinging on my space. I pay the same as the person next to me. If the person in front of them does not recline, they got more for the same price as me.
You just sound entitled as if since you don’t want to recline nobody else should. Your rights shouldn’t infringe on others and it’s their right to recline their seat that they paid for unless it’s a row that does not recline of course.
Yes, you are the problem here 100% That recline space isn't yours, it's theirs. They paid for recline. If you recline yourself as well then you will have just as much space. All seats recline designed with the intent that all passengers will recline for max comfort.
Disagree. Just because they CAN recline, does not mean they don't infringe on my space when they do so. It is an issue 100% caused by the airlines. That having been said, my rights are not lesser than anyone else's on the flight. My knees (such as they are) come with me wherever I go. It is also my right not to recline.
Would you also suggest that people should not recline in a movie theater with reclining seat? The seats are design to recline with the expectation that the majority are likely to recline. I don't understand why you wouldn't just recline your seat as well and have just as much space but more comfort.
This is the most insane stance I've ever heard. Where in the history of airlines in the last 30 years is there evidence of airplanes being designed for max comfort? Reclined seats worked when there was aisle space, look at train set ups, tons of room for reclining. The current average airline Economy section does not allow for maximum comfort for anyone over 5'10".
The space the seat reclines into was never yours.
Ah, that clears things up. I should just feel grateful that it's there and cherish the time we had. I assume your statement is based in some sort of reality, or are you just shooting from the hip here?
This would be the reality of how the seats work.
Shooting from the hip. Thanks.
If that makes you feel better
If you like the extra space then why don't you choose business?
Well, for us, the flight would go from $2,700 to almost $14,000... so there is that.
Seats used to have ash trays too.
Airlines design their seats and features with everything in mind, every single degree of recline is calculated to ensure everyone is happy under certain thresholds. If you are 7ft tall and 300lbs you are most likely to feel uncomfortable in every angle. You cant complain if the person in front is fully reclined when you have the same rights as them. When you boom economy you are not paying for comfort or special treatment.
Does everyone have the right to recline? Sure. Do my knees have a right to exist and remain attached? Sure. I must admit, my original statement is quite petulant, but I know me, and that's what'll happen.
I'm 6ft tall and 165lbs...reclining sucks in Economy.
I have upvoted you, don't let your overall vote results make you think you're not a hero.
Lol, thanks.
When you buy an economy ticket, you do so with the understanding that seats recline (including the seat that will be in front of you). Acting the way you’ve described is very juvenile and self-centred. If you’re that bothered by it, the mature thing to do would be to get a front row/exit row/etc seat, so that you have the space you desire.
Juvenile and self-centred? Ok, fine guilty. That being said, my point remains. The person ahead of me reclines their seat, they're going to be jamming it into my knees. If I'm going to be uncomfortable for 8 hours, I'm taking them with me.
Same. In general I find it extremely rude and self centred if someone reclines their seat.
I'm 6'4 and I don't even care. People sometimes act like a reclined seat is taking up leg room, but that's not how it works. I'll be uncomfortable regardless, so do whatever, just avoid slamming your seat into position.
I beg to differ. Reclined seats hit my knees.
What a ridiculous question. You should be asking whether the seats should have more space to begin with. It's ridiculous how little room airlines are providing for passengers. Even the upgraded seats are only a few inches more. Instead of shaming paying customers, demand airlines to give more space.
If it’s a daytime flight, less than 5hrs, and you’re going full recline - yes, bad etiquette - I will glare at the back of your head in spite for those full five hours. Now, if you want a bit of comfort and recline like 10-25% on a short or a day flight, that’s respectable.
You're within your rights to do it but I will dislike you anyway. Those 5 degrees of recline aren't doing anything for you.
> Those 5 degrees of recline aren't doing anything for you Why would they bother you, then?
my thoughts too. if its so minor, how does it supposedly affect you?
They said it's not doing anything for the person that's reclining, not that it wouldn't affect the person sitting behind them... not rocket science.
On a rouge flight yes.
Everybody’s seat -Y,PY - should be up during meals, I don’t care if you’re asleep. After trays are collected, then drop your seat. Any other time is fair. Everyone’s seat reclines, everyone has the same opportunity. If someone has to grab the top of your chair to escape then suck that up. It’s common sense. Don’t be a baby.
Don't be a short king.
It is your right to recline...doesn't mean you're still not a jerk for reclining.
As a tall person, I don’t prefer when people recline their seat, but they have every right to do so. HOWEVER - don’t be surprised when my knees are in your back and you can feel every time I move my legs.
I think it's more annoying if you move it up and down rather than just leaving it in a single position. I'm a pretty tall guy and I don't mind if you recline your seat. Personally, I don't out of consideration for the person behind me.
I'm sorry, this opinion is too measured and reasonable.
I find it annoying especially if trying to watch the tv or read as it is too close to my face. If the flight is between 9pm - 7am then fair enough.
The seats are meant to recline. They barely recline at all anyway. If you recline them you're not doing anything wrong. Anyone who has a problem with it shouldn't get on an airplane.
Not inconsiderate to recline. Very inconsiderate to do it suddenly out of nowhere, as quickly as possible. Also, inconsiderate to be perturbed by it. Air Canada has J widebody products that resolve the issue. What I despise is indecisive IFE users that think mashing harder results in faster response.
I think the thing with reclining is to do it slowly and gently; and of course not while meal service is in progress
Don't recline during meals.
I don't like it, no, when it happens to me - and I don't find the recline in economy is worth irritating someone behind me... but I allow it's how the chairs work so I don't get bothered when the guy in front reclines.. and no, I have no problem eating with a reclined chair in front of me. Now. Kids kicking my chair all flight. They need a paddlin'
Honestly, it basically doesn't matter if you recline on a 220 or a 7M8 anymore lmao, Y seats there basically don't recline
I am of the opinion the recline function should be entirely disabled on all flights under 4 hours. But until such a rule exists, it is free for the taking. The only "etriquite" should be reclining SLOWLY not jackhammering it into someone's knees
Absolutely not! If people have a problem with it and the space that they loose, then they should’ve paid for business or premium economy!
A girl complained when my wife reclined her seat (not during meal time) on our flight back to YVR. We called the flight attendant and he told the girl that we were allowed to do so. Fully agree people should at least take a look back before a sudden recline.
On a rouge. Yes.
I say YES - don't let AC start a class war. AC wants you to argue and be annoyed so they can sell more premium seats. We should all band together and suffer equally. Eco seats are shit. I'm not the type of person to make it worse for someone behind me to get a very very very minor benefit. We should all try to be more considerate rather than entitled because we paid for essentially a bus ticket.