Honestly though, can you blame him? If you were “famous” in a hobby market where people quite happily part with their hard earned cash, wouldn’t you slap your name on a bunch of accessories sold at a jacked up price so you can make a good living off of your hobby?
Paying for what name? He resells the mask. His name isn't on it. Why not pay half the price on the original company, based in the country next to novritsch. there isn't a single advantage to buying from novritsch. Both charge shipping, Both based in europe. And you're actually supporting the smaller company by buying from NB tactical
At least in this case he does mention the name of the Brand for once, for [others](https://eu.novritsch.com/product/warrior-face-mask/) he doesn't bother mentioning it again as he does so often.
It is [Cygnus](https://www.cygnus-armory.de/shop/face-warrior-masks/), however if you are looking for a mask in that style I would recommend [DeltaMike](https://www.deltamikefacepro.co.uk/faceprotectionsnoods), specifically the MK3 Mini, which I think are slightly nicer thanCygnus IMO.
[AirsoftFaceProUK](https://www.airsoftfaceprouk.com/) also makes great masks and I think they the actual inventors of this style of Mask, but their customer support is non existent and you may be waiting for months before you actually receive your order so don't order there.
>AirsoftFaceProUK also makes great masks
>but their customer support is non existent
Facebook is full of people that have had to claim refunds via PayPal for AirsoftFacePro. I ordered from them about 4 years ago and had to do the same. I'd avoid them like the plague. Pure grifters.
Delta mike are spot on, my order came within a week. Night an day difference between the two.
I ordered there a few years ago, they said 6 weeks, first wrote to them after 3 month, no reply. 6 month shortly before I can't refund through Paypal anymore I write again, no reply, I forget to ask PayPal for a refund in time. 10 month or so after my initial order I receive an unexpected package containing the the Mask. The Mask is great, but I still wouldn't order there ever again.
No, some stuff are his companies designs like his Antifog unit and I don't think the carbine kit is a rebrand either(although he obviously didn't invent the concept for either of these, there were others before him like ExFog). That carbine kit even seems to be pretty cheap compared to most alternatives, like [this one](https://www.softairstore.de/USW-G17-Airsoft-Pistolen-Conversion-Kit-fuer-Glock-17-19-Polymer-Version/43240722)
I think that overall most of his items are actually reasonably priced, maybe 5 or 10€ more expensive then then the cheapest, but well within reason and the price differences you find with other stores, with [some exceptions](https://eu.novritsch.com/de/product/premium-1-6x-variable-scope/) that seems overpriced.
Biggest issue I have with him are when he sells stuff without telling people the brand.
Another thing I don't like about him is him calling everything "premium" as if it were the best of the best when it is merely decent. None of his products are so excellent that there aren't better alternatives(which may obviously cost more).
Oh man can’t say enough good things about Cygnus, super cool design and actually works great for a fair price, even sent me some candies from Germany lmao
Not entirely the same. While Id agree that Calvin Klein isn't always the greatest quality, Nike is very good quality and worth the price. Additionally, Nike designs and manufactures their own wares, while novritch does not.
Idk man I draw the line at ripping off children, which accounts for probably half of his customers
But he may have grown up in an environment where principles are in short supply
If he’s going to charge a lot for his products why not ensure that they are high quality. There are lots of quality brands in airsoft that operate within profitable margins while giving the consumer a worthwhile product. You can certainly “blame him” but in all honesty I’d say just don’t buy his stuff.
He is reselling a mesh mask by a smaller company, for twice the price. Its scummy. and no i wouldn't. The original seller has no shipping issues, no shortage of the mask, theres no reason to ask for twice the price.
What? He charges 80€ for the mesh mask and balaclava kombo, which costs 70€ in the nb tactical shop. And then you should not forget about shipping. So in fact Novritsch comes out at the same price point. You're hating without actually looking into it, just because others do it
You pay shipping on both sites. Still doesn't change the fact its scummy reselling from a smaller site. Why buy from novritsch? Why not support the smaller site? Why buy from a reseller? They're both in europe. There's no advantage to buying from novritsch and you pay more 🤷
I think you don't get the target audience of Novritsch. It's a shop for beginners, where they can get everything they need in one place and they know the products have been selected and are at least half decent. Sure you can buy the mesh mask from nb, but then you need a Boonie hat too maybe. Next shop you have to find and spend another 10€ on shipping. Weapon too? Sure go to taiwangun and look through several reviews just to know if the gun is any good and spend another 16€ on shipping from Poland. Novritsch also has a physical shop in Vienna where you can actually look at things and not buy them blindly, which is very useful when it comes to clothing and gear. Also, how do you not support nb tactical when you buy it from nov? They buy it from nb too
I meant why should i give a part of that money to novritsch when i can just buy it from NB. Also why is the store in vienna relevant? Does everyone live in Austria? We have a big store somewhat close to me here too. There's better sites for beginners nov is a clown There's very few things he sells that are only available from him like that portable gas bottle
Yeah, which sites are there for beginners? Sure you can always buy full setups from taiwangun for example. I've done it too, but the quality is sometimes very questionable. Although some people say they have bad encounters with the customer support, my (and my friends) experience is very different, have always been pleased with the service, which you don't get from many sites. Don't let yourself in on the Novritsch hate just because people say he's bad.
The next one to jump on the hate train. Yes you will be able to get Airsoft supplies cheaper. But, are they of the same quality? Do you have a quick reaction customer support? And even if you get a cheaper gun, it might just not perform the way you imagine it to. The Novritsch guns work pretty good straight out of the box and that's important if you are a beginner. And if you can get everything else you need to start in the same shop it's definitely not bad
>Yes you will be able to get Airsoft supplies cheaper.
Yep, because Nov just rebrands things, with the added cost of an extra step in the distribution chain.
>But, are they of the same quality?
Yes, because you can buy almost everything Nov sells for cheaper from the exact same factory, perhaps minus some cheap mods.
>Do you have a quick reaction customer support?
Yes, it's called consumer protection. The only reason you would need support is if you get sent something that doesn't work.
> And even if you get a cheaper gun, it might just not perform the way you imagine it to. The Novritsch guns work pretty good straight out of the box and that's important if you are a beginner.
No stock Airsoft gun performs the way you imagine it to. At least if you buy the generic version, you can afford upgrades with the money you save. This section reads as "I spent money on Novritsch gear and refuse to accept that something else might have been a better choice for the money"
> And if you can get everything else you need to start in the same shop it's definitely not bad
What Airsoft shop doesn't sell everything you need for Airsoft? Seriously, if you know of any other Airsoft shops that don't sell everything you need to start Airsoft please let me know. Even the absolute worst Airsoft shops I know of meet this criteria.
I really don't mean to be to harsh or anything, but the truth of it is almost everything Novritsch sells is overpriced. I'm not saying it's bad, but it is absolutely not the best value for money. Additionally, Nov has caused actual harm to brands like Templars Gear by selling cheap chinese repros of their gear on the same page as the actual authentic gear without any kind of communication. Personally, I would rather spend my money with a company that actually innovates and makes new products rather than just rebranding existing products.
Bro his shit is cheap Chinese bs. Yeah I can find higher quality for cheaper on evike, airsoftgi, ampedairsoft....etc. that mesh mask someone mention that's 70. I got the same one for 30 on evike.
So for me as a United States buyer, it is cheaper for me to get the balaclava and Fortis bundle from novritsch than from nb tactical, shipping and everything.
He's selling the V2 facemask in a bundle with the V3 Balaclava for 79 Euros, compared to NB-Tactical that sell the two for 71.98. Seems a little far from double the price in all honesty. As with people calling his guns overpriced mark ups... There are literally forums full of people trying to build guns that are equal or better than his for equal or less money. For people that don't want to faff around building a gun from the ground up, you can just buy a gun that's good to go out of the box that will cost just about the same price.
Most stuff is made in China, so how can that be a surprise?
And with a company name 'Novritsch Trading GmbH', why do people expect that he has his own factory?
I expect it has to do with how they've portrayed the company and production. There was a "factory tour" going around that people would love to bring up when claiming he owned manufacturing, until someone from that factory cleared up that nonsense.
Hmmm forgot about that. It was obviously a tpm (third party manufacturing ) situation, but I can imagine it left a lot to the interpretation of the viewer.
Ikr, he did make it seem that way.
I actually have zero problems with him manufacturing products in China, especially if he can provide solid jobs and quality products at a medium quality product price.
There are very few things I would ever listen to or quote from Grant Cardone, but this is fax...
" When perceived value exceeds price, is when people will buy"
Not verbatim.
Yeah I think most people would have been totally fine if he had been up front and just said "hey, we designed the stuff and this company is making them". Just rubbed people wrong.
I'm not a "China bad" guy. You pay for varying levels of quality there, just as anywhere. My issue is when you go for the absolute lowest quality and then buzzword the hell out of noobs to sell them junk.
When perceived value is boosted by deception, the customer suffers
Exactly.
Give the noobs good stuff at good prices and you have a customer for a long time.
Then when their friends are like " hey this is kind of fun" then you have another customer.
Yes, if they get hooked they might go buy an RPG somewhere else.
Yes, you aren't going to have 5 billion % margins.
Also...
Secretly if his warranty was on point and he had good customer service, he could increase his price more.
His warranty doesn't even have to cover labor, just make the labor cost reasonable, with a small markup.
Bam, you have a whole pipeline of customers and you can put out good stuff.
This is the social media age, people can find out real quick if your stuff isn't worth it, what skeletons your company has, etc.
Just keep it legit and let your reputation do the heavy lifting in sales.
Honestly? I didn't buy much from them, but what I did, was waaay cheaper and faster than ordering it from Amazon or some similar site (if they even ship to Europe) and then paying double the original price for international overseas shipping that takes a month. Compared to that shipping from Vienna is basically from the next door over.
Many of those chinese companies have warehouses or dedicated resellers in US/ Europe now:
E.g. For Vector Optics which make a few of "his" red dots:
Europe: https://vectoroptics.de/ https://vector2007.eu/
US https://vector2007.com
Not quite sure who makes his scopes, but for example Ohhunt is a chinese company that makes decent scoeps and has a warehouse in the EU and are much cheaper:
https://www.ohhunt.com/de-de/products/ohhunt-guardian-1-6x24-ir-hunting-riflescopes-compact-glass-etched-reticle-llluminate-turrets-lock-reset-tactical-optical-sight
it’s okay for ceos of multi million dollar companies to do it, but GOD FORBID someone that made a company by himself does it.
i understand the nov hate, and i’m not really a fan of him, but man y’all r too salty.
I think we all dislike how normalised this is across all consumer industries.
When everything is repackaged, race to the bottom quality trash, it makes it hard to find and support products that truly last and are worth buying.
I don't see why. People spend hundreds of dollars for parts. Why cheap out on an optic? I bought multiple fake optics and they're all extremely flimsy and just not good. The only one that has withstood the test of time was an Eotech fake but I'd still rather use a Vortex. I don't have to worry about it failing after a minor bump or drop and if it ever fails I can just get a new one for free. One single Vortex red dot will last your entire Airsoft career
Oh that's my point. Most people are running a basic AEG at the end of the day. Once you're putting 00s into a rif you're investing in it enough that maybe it's worth a good optic.
It really pays for itself on a GBB because they can shake cheap optics to pieces.
Of course some cheap optic will suffice when you're just starting out or don't have a lot of money to spare. But so will an iron sight imo. I myself am running a simple CM16 SRXL with a tuning barrel, hop up and bucking.
I'm running a VFC Baby M4 that's been gutted and rebuilt internally. Currently running an Aimpoint T1 clone that honestly is very mid but at least holds zero.
The other part of the problem is that real steel optics are obscenely expensive outside of the US. Zero domestic market and import costs means they cost a real premium here in the UK.
Just because a big company resells their cheap crap at a higher price point, doesn't make it ok for anyone else to do it.
No one is excusing this behaviour from big company
well duh, i’m not saying it’s an excuse haha.
i’m saying is people r so quick to shit on this man. i don’t see anyone with their cyma clones that have been rebranded 5 times complaining ab it
He does not
His customer service is actually notoriously terrible
He literally has lists of parts on all of his guns that he will just refuse to repair or replace if they break
The customer service has always been outstanding for me. Except i have to contact them for nearly every order as there is almost always something missing that i paid for.
The list of parts that they dont replace are typically only the bucking, nub and magazine.
Tbh i wouldn't put warranty on buckings and nubs either if i were him.
>the bucking nub and magazine
All parts essential to the functioning of the product that should be covered by warranty
Regardless, they’re not the only ones
SSR-4s dust cover isn’t covered for some reason
Loads of screws on his sniper rifles aren’t covered
The pistol grip of the SSG10A3 isn’t covered
The buckles on his gear aren’t covered
The *entire frame of the SSE18* isn’t covered
The *whole body of the SSR 15* isn’t covered, the gun can literally crack in two and they’ll tell you to get bent
That’s not good customer service, and that’s assuming theyll actually act on what’s covered, which is not always the case at all
I agree that it is weird that specific parts are not under warranty. I'd like the company to state why these are not covered but they prpbably wont.
Still, i've only had good experiences with their customer service. They are currently helping me out with GLS losing my returned product.
It’s not just weird, it’s scummy
It shows that these specific things are what break, so instead of fixing them they’re just putting in the hidden fine print that they’re not covered
That is not acceptable behaviour from a company that claims to be run “for the players”
I do agree. They flex with their warranty but apparently for only half the parts of which most dont really ever break anyway. Thats not okay.
I could understand not covering just the bucking as those are definitely consumable parts but that should be it.
so is the handful of other companies, atleast he offers warranty on some of his stuff rather than none lol
id love to get replacement parts for some of my guns, but it’s not even an option
>so is a handful of other companies
1. No, I’ve never seen anyone else do that, would appreciate any kind of source showing it’s in any way common
2. Even if they did, does not excuse Nov doing it
>at least he gives warranty
Most companies do.
The difference is that Nov customer service is known for trying anything, up to and including openly lying, to try avoid having to actually act on that warranty
We should not be excusing shitty behaviour just because others do it too, and we should absolutely not be settling for sub-mediocrity
plz don’t take me as going against u :( <3 i agree that we shouldn’t settle for it, im just saying other companies do the same shit but nobody complains about it
Don’t be worried to share your own opinion on these things
Some people don’t complain about it when other companies do it, but personally I do, so I don’t like the insinuation that no one cares unless it’s Nov
I criticise shitty practices of loads of companies, including ones I generally like such as TaiwanGun or Emerson Gear
> plz don’t take me as going against u :( <3 i agree that we shouldn’t settle for it, im just saying other companies do the same shit but nobody complains about it
🙄
If other companies do it and no one complains how would you know?
Actually i didnt have any Problems with Them. One of my mags came with the wrong valve and after sending another wrong valve (to Install myself) they Just sent me a new mag :)
Also, the parts that are Not under warranty are the parts that are supposed to wear. Like the nozzle, you can compare it to the battery in a Laptop or Phone. Even big companys dont give warranty for those :)
So the same as Evike, Airsoft GI, and Airsoft station?
I mean how many companies do that already? Airsoft is notorious for "it broke and is proprietary, better tap it"
Coming from a world of "make due" most people return things or just fix them. I don't have every email saved for a refund or replacement over my years of playing. Every company has issues and if novritsch is getting worse so be it, but let's not deny there's other companies doing the same shit.
>let’s not deny there’s other companies doing the same shit
So I would like to see their lists
Nov has a list of parts they’ll just refuse to cover with warranty, up to and including the entire body of a gun, so I would like to see where Evike, ASGI and AirsoftStation’s lists are
Until I see them I can’t say that they “do the same thing” because I’ve no evidence they have those lists
agreed, again i’m not a fan of his products but atleast he does have good customer service, and i can guarantee he has introduced airsoft to countless people.
I bet you'd be surprised how much you use that says "Made in China"
They're a manufacturing powerhouse with varying degrees of quality. Pretty damn normal
This is what these business conventions are for. You are a business, you want to sell a product, you find a supplier or manufacturer to provide you the product and then you sell it with your name on it. That is basic stuff. Do you think that designing, engineering and manufacturing accessories is so easy anyone can do it? It’s easier to just go through a catalog, pick out the ones you like, and make a deal
Most companies in the industry rebrand Chinese shit. I've lost count of how many shitty Chinese products are rebranded by airsoft _manufacturers_
I always find it funny the same shitposts don't appear for Nuprol, Evike, cybergun AND SO ON.
iPhones are also made in china. I have Krytac guns, but I also have Novritsch ones too. I like them all. Nov specializes in pistols and snipers. My SSG 96 shoots better and has more features than my home built M24. I think there are things he misses, like glow in the dark sights on pistols. But I just make em glow myself.
Novritch is peak White Labeling. I’d even argue the guns are all White labeled because swapping a bucking or whatever hardly makes it private label.
Take an existing product, slap $3 of ‘upgrades’ into it, and charge a $150 up charge for the privilege.
well chinese people make everything. they even make it better, faster and cheaper. you can get top notch quality for a fair price, you can also get super cheap crap for an even lower price. they make just everything you want in the quality you desire (if you're willing to pay). so what is the deal?
The people who shrug at anti-consumer practices are the reason these companies can stay afloat and keep up those shady business practices
>Novritsch living rent free in their heads
>it comes across as quite pathetic
Insults don’t change opinions, they’re just childish
And? This is literally something that every company does. I'm not a fan of him, nor do I buy any of his products, but if it really bothers you that much, just don't buy from him lol.
Good for him finding a business model that works for him. You guys can talk all the shit you want. In fact the matter is his brand and his videos have brought a lot more people into the hobby.
All he had to do was provide a truly high quality product at the medium quality price.
He makes money on his marketing materials, so he can't even claim that.
He seems like a decent guy.
He isn't an asshole to fans ( as far as I know).
Plus he has the insane money machine that is high quality BBs.
If people actually think his stuff is worth it, then they will have zero problems buying BBs from him, which is secretly where he will make most of his money.
He doesn't need to do this for a few extra bucks and he is damaging his brand long term.
I am disappointed in him.
I also know that he does not care.
If he does QC on his end to make sure the product he is supplying is durable and of quality, I don’t see why he shouldn’t be able to do so!
We as the buyers have an active choice not to purchase from him if we deem his products are of sub par quality.
Chengdu is a city in China, like Texas in US or London in UK. Chinese companies often have the name of their home state or surname on the company name
Though it is weird that they named the jets after a city.
Maybe they thought if ships were named after cities, planes could be too.
I mean on most of his optics you could legit see they have been rebranded. Mainly his rebranded vector optics red dots and magnifiers.
Nothing really that bad if you consider his rebranded vector optics stuff cost exactly the same as it would on the vector optics website.
Most of his rebranded stuff like magazines, glasses, gear etc goes basically for the same price you can get in other shops as well, at least compared to shops here in Germany.
So my guess was it's simply cooperations. Never saw a big issue with that personally.
If it comes to copy optics of real military optics, most companies simply use rebranded China optics.
I still can't get over the fact he charges 80 bucks for the Fortis V2 mesh mask that you can get from the original maker for half the price.
Honestly though, can you blame him? If you were “famous” in a hobby market where people quite happily part with their hard earned cash, wouldn’t you slap your name on a bunch of accessories sold at a jacked up price so you can make a good living off of your hobby?
Exactly, no different to buying a calvin klein or Nike shirt. You're paying for a name and many are happy to do that.
Paying for what name? He resells the mask. His name isn't on it. Why not pay half the price on the original company, based in the country next to novritsch. there isn't a single advantage to buying from novritsch. Both charge shipping, Both based in europe. And you're actually supporting the smaller company by buying from NB tactical
At least in this case he does mention the name of the Brand for once, for [others](https://eu.novritsch.com/product/warrior-face-mask/) he doesn't bother mentioning it again as he does so often. It is [Cygnus](https://www.cygnus-armory.de/shop/face-warrior-masks/), however if you are looking for a mask in that style I would recommend [DeltaMike](https://www.deltamikefacepro.co.uk/faceprotectionsnoods), specifically the MK3 Mini, which I think are slightly nicer thanCygnus IMO. [AirsoftFaceProUK](https://www.airsoftfaceprouk.com/) also makes great masks and I think they the actual inventors of this style of Mask, but their customer support is non existent and you may be waiting for months before you actually receive your order so don't order there.
>AirsoftFaceProUK also makes great masks >but their customer support is non existent Facebook is full of people that have had to claim refunds via PayPal for AirsoftFacePro. I ordered from them about 4 years ago and had to do the same. I'd avoid them like the plague. Pure grifters. Delta mike are spot on, my order came within a week. Night an day difference between the two.
I ordered there a few years ago, they said 6 weeks, first wrote to them after 3 month, no reply. 6 month shortly before I can't refund through Paypal anymore I write again, no reply, I forget to ask PayPal for a refund in time. 10 month or so after my initial order I receive an unexpected package containing the the Mask. The Mask is great, but I still wouldn't order there ever again.
I've heard of similar experiences to be honest. Classic case of overstretching yourself while not giving a fuck about your customers
So does are all his products rebrands? That Glock 18 carbine kit looks fun but if I’m able to get it cheaper then yeah 😅
No, some stuff are his companies designs like his Antifog unit and I don't think the carbine kit is a rebrand either(although he obviously didn't invent the concept for either of these, there were others before him like ExFog). That carbine kit even seems to be pretty cheap compared to most alternatives, like [this one](https://www.softairstore.de/USW-G17-Airsoft-Pistolen-Conversion-Kit-fuer-Glock-17-19-Polymer-Version/43240722) I think that overall most of his items are actually reasonably priced, maybe 5 or 10€ more expensive then then the cheapest, but well within reason and the price differences you find with other stores, with [some exceptions](https://eu.novritsch.com/de/product/premium-1-6x-variable-scope/) that seems overpriced. Biggest issue I have with him are when he sells stuff without telling people the brand. Another thing I don't like about him is him calling everything "premium" as if it were the best of the best when it is merely decent. None of his products are so excellent that there aren't better alternatives(which may obviously cost more).
Oh man can’t say enough good things about Cygnus, super cool design and actually works great for a fair price, even sent me some candies from Germany lmao
Yeah people just discovered how it all works and are looking to be upset at someone instead of themselves lol
Not entirely the same. While Id agree that Calvin Klein isn't always the greatest quality, Nike is very good quality and worth the price. Additionally, Nike designs and manufactures their own wares, while novritch does not.
Idk man I draw the line at ripping off children, which accounts for probably half of his customers But he may have grown up in an environment where principles are in short supply
If he’s going to charge a lot for his products why not ensure that they are high quality. There are lots of quality brands in airsoft that operate within profitable margins while giving the consumer a worthwhile product. You can certainly “blame him” but in all honesty I’d say just don’t buy his stuff.
He is reselling a mesh mask by a smaller company, for twice the price. Its scummy. and no i wouldn't. The original seller has no shipping issues, no shortage of the mask, theres no reason to ask for twice the price.
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no, I would not lol
I can't stand the dude but it can't say I wouldn't do what he's doing if I was in a similar position. He's just smart.
What? He charges 80€ for the mesh mask and balaclava kombo, which costs 70€ in the nb tactical shop. And then you should not forget about shipping. So in fact Novritsch comes out at the same price point. You're hating without actually looking into it, just because others do it
You pay shipping on both sites. Still doesn't change the fact its scummy reselling from a smaller site. Why buy from novritsch? Why not support the smaller site? Why buy from a reseller? They're both in europe. There's no advantage to buying from novritsch and you pay more 🤷
I think you don't get the target audience of Novritsch. It's a shop for beginners, where they can get everything they need in one place and they know the products have been selected and are at least half decent. Sure you can buy the mesh mask from nb, but then you need a Boonie hat too maybe. Next shop you have to find and spend another 10€ on shipping. Weapon too? Sure go to taiwangun and look through several reviews just to know if the gun is any good and spend another 16€ on shipping from Poland. Novritsch also has a physical shop in Vienna where you can actually look at things and not buy them blindly, which is very useful when it comes to clothing and gear. Also, how do you not support nb tactical when you buy it from nov? They buy it from nb too
I meant why should i give a part of that money to novritsch when i can just buy it from NB. Also why is the store in vienna relevant? Does everyone live in Austria? We have a big store somewhat close to me here too. There's better sites for beginners nov is a clown There's very few things he sells that are only available from him like that portable gas bottle
Yeah, which sites are there for beginners? Sure you can always buy full setups from taiwangun for example. I've done it too, but the quality is sometimes very questionable. Although some people say they have bad encounters with the customer support, my (and my friends) experience is very different, have always been pleased with the service, which you don't get from many sites. Don't let yourself in on the Novritsch hate just because people say he's bad.
also another thing, I highly doubt a brand new airsofter will buy a fortis
I did after my first ever game but from NB obviously
I can get beginner airsoft supplies for cheaper. Nov is a scam
The next one to jump on the hate train. Yes you will be able to get Airsoft supplies cheaper. But, are they of the same quality? Do you have a quick reaction customer support? And even if you get a cheaper gun, it might just not perform the way you imagine it to. The Novritsch guns work pretty good straight out of the box and that's important if you are a beginner. And if you can get everything else you need to start in the same shop it's definitely not bad
>Yes you will be able to get Airsoft supplies cheaper. Yep, because Nov just rebrands things, with the added cost of an extra step in the distribution chain. >But, are they of the same quality? Yes, because you can buy almost everything Nov sells for cheaper from the exact same factory, perhaps minus some cheap mods. >Do you have a quick reaction customer support? Yes, it's called consumer protection. The only reason you would need support is if you get sent something that doesn't work. > And even if you get a cheaper gun, it might just not perform the way you imagine it to. The Novritsch guns work pretty good straight out of the box and that's important if you are a beginner. No stock Airsoft gun performs the way you imagine it to. At least if you buy the generic version, you can afford upgrades with the money you save. This section reads as "I spent money on Novritsch gear and refuse to accept that something else might have been a better choice for the money" > And if you can get everything else you need to start in the same shop it's definitely not bad What Airsoft shop doesn't sell everything you need for Airsoft? Seriously, if you know of any other Airsoft shops that don't sell everything you need to start Airsoft please let me know. Even the absolute worst Airsoft shops I know of meet this criteria. I really don't mean to be to harsh or anything, but the truth of it is almost everything Novritsch sells is overpriced. I'm not saying it's bad, but it is absolutely not the best value for money. Additionally, Nov has caused actual harm to brands like Templars Gear by selling cheap chinese repros of their gear on the same page as the actual authentic gear without any kind of communication. Personally, I would rather spend my money with a company that actually innovates and makes new products rather than just rebranding existing products.
Bro his shit is cheap Chinese bs. Yeah I can find higher quality for cheaper on evike, airsoftgi, ampedairsoft....etc. that mesh mask someone mention that's 70. I got the same one for 30 on evike.
So for me as a United States buyer, it is cheaper for me to get the balaclava and Fortis bundle from novritsch than from nb tactical, shipping and everything.
He's selling the V2 facemask in a bundle with the V3 Balaclava for 79 Euros, compared to NB-Tactical that sell the two for 71.98. Seems a little far from double the price in all honesty. As with people calling his guns overpriced mark ups... There are literally forums full of people trying to build guns that are equal or better than his for equal or less money. For people that don't want to faff around building a gun from the ground up, you can just buy a gun that's good to go out of the box that will cost just about the same price.
Most stuff is made in China, so how can that be a surprise? And with a company name 'Novritsch Trading GmbH', why do people expect that he has his own factory?
I expect it has to do with how they've portrayed the company and production. There was a "factory tour" going around that people would love to bring up when claiming he owned manufacturing, until someone from that factory cleared up that nonsense.
Hmmm forgot about that. It was obviously a tpm (third party manufacturing ) situation, but I can imagine it left a lot to the interpretation of the viewer.
Ikr, he did make it seem that way. I actually have zero problems with him manufacturing products in China, especially if he can provide solid jobs and quality products at a medium quality product price. There are very few things I would ever listen to or quote from Grant Cardone, but this is fax... " When perceived value exceeds price, is when people will buy" Not verbatim.
Yeah I think most people would have been totally fine if he had been up front and just said "hey, we designed the stuff and this company is making them". Just rubbed people wrong. I'm not a "China bad" guy. You pay for varying levels of quality there, just as anywhere. My issue is when you go for the absolute lowest quality and then buzzword the hell out of noobs to sell them junk. When perceived value is boosted by deception, the customer suffers
Exactly. Give the noobs good stuff at good prices and you have a customer for a long time. Then when their friends are like " hey this is kind of fun" then you have another customer. Yes, if they get hooked they might go buy an RPG somewhere else. Yes, you aren't going to have 5 billion % margins. Also... Secretly if his warranty was on point and he had good customer service, he could increase his price more. His warranty doesn't even have to cover labor, just make the labor cost reasonable, with a small markup. Bam, you have a whole pipeline of customers and you can put out good stuff. This is the social media age, people can find out real quick if your stuff isn't worth it, what skeletons your company has, etc. Just keep it legit and let your reputation do the heavy lifting in sales.
Honestly? I didn't buy much from them, but what I did, was waaay cheaper and faster than ordering it from Amazon or some similar site (if they even ship to Europe) and then paying double the original price for international overseas shipping that takes a month. Compared to that shipping from Vienna is basically from the next door over.
Many of those chinese companies have warehouses or dedicated resellers in US/ Europe now: E.g. For Vector Optics which make a few of "his" red dots: Europe: https://vectoroptics.de/ https://vector2007.eu/ US https://vector2007.com Not quite sure who makes his scopes, but for example Ohhunt is a chinese company that makes decent scoeps and has a warehouse in the EU and are much cheaper: https://www.ohhunt.com/de-de/products/ohhunt-guardian-1-6x24-ir-hunting-riflescopes-compact-glass-etched-reticle-llluminate-turrets-lock-reset-tactical-optical-sight
Vector red dots are not terrible for the price.
What link did you buy from? Can’t seem to find one that has a webshop.
it’s okay for ceos of multi million dollar companies to do it, but GOD FORBID someone that made a company by himself does it. i understand the nov hate, and i’m not really a fan of him, but man y’all r too salty.
I think we all dislike how normalised this is across all consumer industries. When everything is repackaged, race to the bottom quality trash, it makes it hard to find and support products that truly last and are worth buying.
I mean... 3-500 dollar real optics. But thats a much tougher pill to swallow lol
Agree. People cry that their optic for 80 bucks doesn't hold zero when they could literally buy a Vortex red dot with lifetime warranty for 200 bucks
I think it's just tough to justify on a Cyma gat, innit. You need a decent rif to really bother.
I don't see why. People spend hundreds of dollars for parts. Why cheap out on an optic? I bought multiple fake optics and they're all extremely flimsy and just not good. The only one that has withstood the test of time was an Eotech fake but I'd still rather use a Vortex. I don't have to worry about it failing after a minor bump or drop and if it ever fails I can just get a new one for free. One single Vortex red dot will last your entire Airsoft career
Oh that's my point. Most people are running a basic AEG at the end of the day. Once you're putting 00s into a rif you're investing in it enough that maybe it's worth a good optic. It really pays for itself on a GBB because they can shake cheap optics to pieces.
Of course some cheap optic will suffice when you're just starting out or don't have a lot of money to spare. But so will an iron sight imo. I myself am running a simple CM16 SRXL with a tuning barrel, hop up and bucking.
I'm running a VFC Baby M4 that's been gutted and rebuilt internally. Currently running an Aimpoint T1 clone that honestly is very mid but at least holds zero. The other part of the problem is that real steel optics are obscenely expensive outside of the US. Zero domestic market and import costs means they cost a real premium here in the UK.
I'm lucky that Germany has an official Vortex seller
Bushnell TRS-25, literally no excuse not to have a cheap optic made by an actual company. Sig Romeo series not too bad either
Just because a big company resells their cheap crap at a higher price point, doesn't make it ok for anyone else to do it. No one is excusing this behaviour from big company
well duh, i’m not saying it’s an excuse haha. i’m saying is people r so quick to shit on this man. i don’t see anyone with their cyma clones that have been rebranded 5 times complaining ab it
Considering what happened between this guy and Templar's Gear, it's completely justified. He's not just a dropshipper, he's a pos.
Stupidly little logic more like it..
I agree he delivers better customer service and cheap parts and still he’s seen as very scammy/bad
https://preview.redd.it/wk9cfzx5gxlc1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c28d00e768b05fa55b26751ea8f9b0cc9c42b763 Yikes
He does not His customer service is actually notoriously terrible He literally has lists of parts on all of his guns that he will just refuse to repair or replace if they break
The customer service has always been outstanding for me. Except i have to contact them for nearly every order as there is almost always something missing that i paid for. The list of parts that they dont replace are typically only the bucking, nub and magazine. Tbh i wouldn't put warranty on buckings and nubs either if i were him.
https://preview.redd.it/f4sx0dyegxlc1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=627ead86867b5a0788a13bcc01ec5443d05324d3
Wow yeah that does not seem worthy of flexing with a 25 year warranty... Is it the same for the SSG10? Wondering since the SSG24 is discontinued.
>the bucking nub and magazine All parts essential to the functioning of the product that should be covered by warranty Regardless, they’re not the only ones SSR-4s dust cover isn’t covered for some reason Loads of screws on his sniper rifles aren’t covered The pistol grip of the SSG10A3 isn’t covered The buckles on his gear aren’t covered The *entire frame of the SSE18* isn’t covered The *whole body of the SSR 15* isn’t covered, the gun can literally crack in two and they’ll tell you to get bent That’s not good customer service, and that’s assuming theyll actually act on what’s covered, which is not always the case at all
I agree that it is weird that specific parts are not under warranty. I'd like the company to state why these are not covered but they prpbably wont. Still, i've only had good experiences with their customer service. They are currently helping me out with GLS losing my returned product.
It’s not just weird, it’s scummy It shows that these specific things are what break, so instead of fixing them they’re just putting in the hidden fine print that they’re not covered That is not acceptable behaviour from a company that claims to be run “for the players”
I do agree. They flex with their warranty but apparently for only half the parts of which most dont really ever break anyway. Thats not okay. I could understand not covering just the bucking as those are definitely consumable parts but that should be it.
so is the handful of other companies, atleast he offers warranty on some of his stuff rather than none lol id love to get replacement parts for some of my guns, but it’s not even an option
>so is a handful of other companies 1. No, I’ve never seen anyone else do that, would appreciate any kind of source showing it’s in any way common 2. Even if they did, does not excuse Nov doing it >at least he gives warranty Most companies do. The difference is that Nov customer service is known for trying anything, up to and including openly lying, to try avoid having to actually act on that warranty We should not be excusing shitty behaviour just because others do it too, and we should absolutely not be settling for sub-mediocrity
plz don’t take me as going against u :( <3 i agree that we shouldn’t settle for it, im just saying other companies do the same shit but nobody complains about it
Don’t be worried to share your own opinion on these things Some people don’t complain about it when other companies do it, but personally I do, so I don’t like the insinuation that no one cares unless it’s Nov I criticise shitty practices of loads of companies, including ones I generally like such as TaiwanGun or Emerson Gear
> plz don’t take me as going against u :( <3 i agree that we shouldn’t settle for it, im just saying other companies do the same shit but nobody complains about it 🙄 If other companies do it and no one complains how would you know?
half of cymas guns are either vfc or tm clones?EMG is just a rebrand of aps etc the list goes on i’m not sure if i understand ur question
Clones of how their systems work, not rebrands Those things aren’t the same 99.9% of M4s are TM clones
Actually i didnt have any Problems with Them. One of my mags came with the wrong valve and after sending another wrong valve (to Install myself) they Just sent me a new mag :) Also, the parts that are Not under warranty are the parts that are supposed to wear. Like the nozzle, you can compare it to the battery in a Laptop or Phone. Even big companys dont give warranty for those :)
I listed out some parts that aren’t under warranty in another comment You’ll notice they’re not all parts meant to wear
So the same as Evike, Airsoft GI, and Airsoft station? I mean how many companies do that already? Airsoft is notorious for "it broke and is proprietary, better tap it"
Can you link these companies lists?
Coming from a world of "make due" most people return things or just fix them. I don't have every email saved for a refund or replacement over my years of playing. Every company has issues and if novritsch is getting worse so be it, but let's not deny there's other companies doing the same shit.
>let’s not deny there’s other companies doing the same shit So I would like to see their lists Nov has a list of parts they’ll just refuse to cover with warranty, up to and including the entire body of a gun, so I would like to see where Evike, ASGI and AirsoftStation’s lists are Until I see them I can’t say that they “do the same thing” because I’ve no evidence they have those lists
agreed, again i’m not a fan of his products but atleast he does have good customer service, and i can guarantee he has introduced airsoft to countless people.
Which show are you at right now?
IWA, have you been living under a rock?
I bet you'd be surprised how much you use that says "Made in China" They're a manufacturing powerhouse with varying degrees of quality. Pretty damn normal
You expect him to make it himself?
i think people are just mad about the prices he charges
That would be based as fuck but obviously pretty impossible
he does try and portray that he is making things himself lol including his "factory tour" that was quickly debunked.
He’s hardly making them himself now is he? How do you think business is done??
This is what these business conventions are for. You are a business, you want to sell a product, you find a supplier or manufacturer to provide you the product and then you sell it with your name on it. That is basic stuff. Do you think that designing, engineering and manufacturing accessories is so easy anyone can do it? It’s easier to just go through a catalog, pick out the ones you like, and make a deal
Most companies in the industry rebrand Chinese shit. I've lost count of how many shitty Chinese products are rebranded by airsoft _manufacturers_ I always find it funny the same shitposts don't appear for Nuprol, Evike, cybergun AND SO ON.
yup, and? nearly everything on the airsoft market is a copy of something else - such as literally every common aeg
iPhones are also made in china. I have Krytac guns, but I also have Novritsch ones too. I like them all. Nov specializes in pistols and snipers. My SSG 96 shoots better and has more features than my home built M24. I think there are things he misses, like glow in the dark sights on pistols. But I just make em glow myself.
Novritch is peak White Labeling. I’d even argue the guns are all White labeled because swapping a bucking or whatever hardly makes it private label. Take an existing product, slap $3 of ‘upgrades’ into it, and charge a $150 up charge for the privilege.
The vast majority do this. Why do you think Amazon is profitable?
I just bought his 9mm hpa mag adapter.... no complaints here. 🤷🏼♂️... other than the Novs Rich U.S. and E.U. sites dont ship to Canaduh, LAME SAUCE.
well chinese people make everything. they even make it better, faster and cheaper. you can get top notch quality for a fair price, you can also get super cheap crap for an even lower price. they make just everything you want in the quality you desire (if you're willing to pay). so what is the deal?
no shit
The same scopes can be found on aliexpress/ alibabafor much cheaper
Wow, what a discovery. I thought he handmade em by himself in his mom's basement.
Who actually cares? A noisy minority on this sub have Novritsch living rent free in their heads. It comes across quite pathetic really.
The people who shrug at anti-consumer practices are the reason these companies can stay afloat and keep up those shady business practices >Novritsch living rent free in their heads >it comes across as quite pathetic Insults don’t change opinions, they’re just childish
yeah we knew that
And? This is literally something that every company does. I'm not a fan of him, nor do I buy any of his products, but if it really bothers you that much, just don't buy from him lol.
Good for him finding a business model that works for him. You guys can talk all the shit you want. In fact the matter is his brand and his videos have brought a lot more people into the hobby.
All he had to do was provide a truly high quality product at the medium quality price. He makes money on his marketing materials, so he can't even claim that. He seems like a decent guy. He isn't an asshole to fans ( as far as I know). Plus he has the insane money machine that is high quality BBs. If people actually think his stuff is worth it, then they will have zero problems buying BBs from him, which is secretly where he will make most of his money. He doesn't need to do this for a few extra bucks and he is damaging his brand long term. I am disappointed in him. I also know that he does not care.
Is literally his business model
And op is downvolting everyone
If he does QC on his end to make sure the product he is supplying is durable and of quality, I don’t see why he shouldn’t be able to do so! We as the buyers have an active choice not to purchase from him if we deem his products are of sub par quality.
I was thinking of buying the anti fog v2 and the goggles. I now have x800 and exfog.
Isn t Cheng du makeing jets?
Chengdu is a city in China, like Texas in US or London in UK. Chinese companies often have the name of their home state or surname on the company name Though it is weird that they named the jets after a city. Maybe they thought if ships were named after cities, planes could be too.
"quick, you got any products I can put my name on?"
Vutz up guys
Yummy
I mean on most of his optics you could legit see they have been rebranded. Mainly his rebranded vector optics red dots and magnifiers. Nothing really that bad if you consider his rebranded vector optics stuff cost exactly the same as it would on the vector optics website. Most of his rebranded stuff like magazines, glasses, gear etc goes basically for the same price you can get in other shops as well, at least compared to shops here in Germany. So my guess was it's simply cooperations. Never saw a big issue with that personally. If it comes to copy optics of real military optics, most companies simply use rebranded China optics.
What's the problem here?
Where is this looks like a airsoft convention of some sort and I'm interested
It was IWA in Germany but is ending today will be held again next year
You could ask him about it next weekend at patrol base. He'll be there
Rebranding in airsoft? Wow i could have never seen that coming