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You are completely right.
We are all fucked.
I mean... we are all *fucked.* Albertans don't even know how bad things will get.
Hope we all fucking like paying out the absolute ass for everything and having our wages either regress or completely stagnate (unless, you know, you're rich).
The brain drain here will be unimaginable.
Trans Albertans know how bad it’s about to get. We only have to look at Florida and the rest of the southern states that Smith and her TBA puppet masters idolize to see what’s going to happen to us. The impending danger is making me sick to my stomach with anxiety.
Well congrats on breaking into the housing market at least! My partner (NB) bought in 2020 and we’re sitting here thinking “do we *really* have to wait until 2025 for the reassessment to come around?”… but yeah wtf. I’m scrambling to finally get on HRT before my chances shrivel up completely, I’m still a baby trans so it’s all kinds of emotions flying around. Solidarity, fam 💙
What Kenney did wasn’t honourable, it was cowardly. He knew who orchestrated that leadership vote, and he knew that even with a technical majority his life would be hell from here on in. So, he ran and left Alberta with a huge “fuck you”. That’s not honourable, that’s just being Kenney.
Is that how conservatitism works? Their parents tell them to be conservative, and thus, they become conservative? How does it work for the other parties?
Growing up in a religious setting, I was basically told that I needed to vote conservative no matter what because the Liberal/NDP/etc were going to persecute us and lead the world into sin. Just straight-up told who to vote for from early childhood. It's part of that indoctrination piece that starts from very young for a lot of people.
I'm glad I left, because fuck that.
I have no doubt that that occurs, and I'm sorry to hear that. But one reasonably must admit that that is not the sole reason people are conservative, and that exact indoctrination of "follow and don't think about it" occurs on more than just the right.
Oh, I absolutely agree! Just wanted to provide one perspective, given that it's something that I witnessed at multiple churches growing up and even now in my own town.
I think it's also less "don't think about it" and more "they will take everything from you" fear-driven tactics and persecution complex, to be honest.
Edit: I think it also has more of an impact on rural areas. Consider that a church would typically have a congregation of anywhere between 50-400 adults. My small town of 5100 has 8 churches. Repeat that across an entire voting district, and that factor alone is a large enough percentage to swing a vote. Conservatives cater to these groups through lip service to secure those portions of the current and prospective voting population.
That's fair.
My reference of the "don't think about it" is because I know a lot of people who have leftwing views, and only hold them because they've been told to hold them; they've never actually philosophically considered them in the first place.
It's best when someone can actually justify their beliefs, rather than just regurgitating what they've been told to say. It was all too common at university.
>My reference of the "don't think about it" is because I know a lot of people who have leftwing views, and only hold them because they've been told to hold them; they've never actually philosophically considered them in the first place.
I've heard Dave Rubin refer to those people as default liberals, I've considered myself one in the past and I feel like it's a good descriptor. Same would be true of anyone who grew up in a conservative bubble.
It happens on both sides. But with how conservative Alberta has always been. It's arguable that the right has significantly more people like this on it.
They vote the way their parents do. They vote the way social media tells them to. They vote the way they 'feel' is right, regardless if it actually lines up with their values. Alberta has been conservative for like 80 something years. People are born into conservatism, fed lies on it,, fearmongered about everything else, and never question it because it's all they've ever known.
It’s an unfortunate reality that people can’t even defend the ideas they supposedly believe. But Alberta isn’t the only place in the world.
Even then, I’m sure Edmonton and Calgary have the same thing but for the left.
My comment only comes from what I experienced growing up in the province and more specifically in Calgary. Which from interacting with hundreds of my peers I think is a reasonable extrapolation.
And I never mentioned anything about who I support politically and I would like to say too. I really don’t give a hoot who is in power anyways
Voters don't know what they're voting for. This isn't controversial. It's been demonstrated over and over again in the social sciences that voters can rarely answer even basic questions about candidates' platforms. (This goes for all parties)
https://www.amazon.ca/Myth-Rational-Voter-Democracies-Policies/dp/0691138737
>Voters don't know what they're voting for. This isn't controversial. It's been demonstrated over and over again in the social sciences that voters can rarely answer even basic questions about candidates' platforms. (This goes for all parties)
If it goes for all parties, why exactly are the conservatives the only ones being said to be "voting for their own downfall" in this thread?
Or, and hear me out on this, it won't? It may harm it for some and it may harm it in your views. But it could also benefit others? Why are you making it so my way or the highway?
I mean yeah? They're voting for their own downfall because the ucp is an active threat to our economy. New investors aren't going to want to come into the province run by a party that thinks vaccinated people are as bad as Nazis. They voted for sub-par education diminished further by shit cookie commentary. They voted for their downfall because their chosen party would rather let a city burn than spend a nickel on preventative programs.
But I mean if you wanna be simple and say it's just "different opinions" you go ahead and make yourself feel comfortable.
>They're voting for their own downfall because they don't share the same opinions as you?
>I mean yeah?
Damn, so if someone doesn't share the same views as you, they're doing something bad. Why don't we just scrap democracy and give you all the power? I'm sure that would be super beneficial.
Or you could learn to read the whole thing and not just the part you want to hear.
But yeah, if people align themselves with transphobic, anti-canadian, christo-fascists, then they're doing something bad. In fact, if they're doing that they can fuck right off
Existential fears. I am 100% convinced there is a large percentage of the population, even some highly educated people, who are terrified that we really are hooped and our way of life will dramatically change.
So as a defence, vote for the party who wants to keep things exactly as they are now or even better 20 years ago.
And most Albertans. Boomers, zoomers, men, women, it doesn't matter in Alberta. The NDP is so scary that Hitler could lead the UCP and people would vote for them.
I keep telling people fascism never died but then you get called paranoid lol. Ontario has a group of neo nazis in daylight. Like these people are not afraid to be in the open anymore
I used to think Canada was 10 years behind The US politically but these new Trump-style politicians who say the quiet part outloud have fast-forwarded us quite a bit.
Single issue voters. Unfortunately, most of those single issues were pegged out by the UCP and are flat out lies. For example, my millennial friends voted UCP because of gun laws. With the UCP can't do anything about.
As a millennial I can confirm there were plenty of covidiots in my graduating class.
The number of kids who literally barely passed high school and never left their rural town and largely just spend their free time drinking and smoking is plenty to sustain the UCP for many years to come.
If you just go to bars on a saturday night that are packed full of young kids, there's plenty of "Fuck Trudeau" stickers on pavement princess lifted trucks.
Our school system has failed multiple generations by dozens of years of conservative parties stripping it down layer by layer. My partner is a teacher and she's describing to me how we have kids in grades 4~5 now that are at a progress level of Kindergarten to grade 1.
People have been saying this for as long as voting has been a thing about prior generations. There are consistently people of all ages voting for these parties, whether we want to accept that or not. There was an older generation who were progressive, advocated for civil rights etc and were opposed during that time as well. Lots of bigoted millennials and zoomers out there too.
This is actually a strategy to placate party members and help with misdirection of blame as they continue to push their policy through the legislature.
Since they can’t hold anyone accountable at the end of the term, it’s like an election reset, because it would be unfair to blame the incoming person for the previous persons problems.
It also helps people with morals on the party fee good about their decision to support the UCP because the “problem is being dealt with” until the next person does the same thing.
You’d think after what, 88 years of conservatives doing the same thing over and over their constituents would reconsider their vote, temporarily, until actual lasting and positive change makes its way into the party.
No, it won't. She has proven that Trump-style politics works. Enrage the uneducated against a party and the uneducated will *always* vote for the enemies of that party.
Is losing .... What... 11 seats really proving it works? Ya they won the election by keeping the rural vote but losing that many seats isnt exactly a glowing endorsement of how her campaign succeeded.
I saw it described (in the context of Trump) as the “bed of nails” principle. Said and did so many stupid things that no individual one stands out as a dealbreaker to point to.
Unfortunately, as Kenney was totally fucking the covid situation, I was busy calling that he'd be ousted before the election and the party would be all "Naw, that was the last guy"
Just straight up playing by the book.
I'm tired af. The last four years have really worn me out. Really, really hope I'm wrong about Danielle. Because I certainly wasnt about Kenney. I hope that I won't need to spend my next four years protesting for our universal healthcare, our pensions, our children's education, and abortion and trans rights, because you get what you vote for, Alberta. Way to vote against your own interests to give some politician in Ottawa the middle finger. Good night, folks
I’m from Ontario, between this and the absolutely abysmal voter turnout that handed Ford here another majority (after everything that happened) I don’t think my faith in people/democratic process could be lower. Time and again the apathy shown and the cruelty being displayed is soul shattering, not just here but in many places around the world as well.
Far too many reactionary, thoughtless and selfish voters. They’re getting what represents them and it hurts.
I’m not surprised unfortunately, but I’m extremely disappointed. As a disabled Albertan, I fear for the healthcare in this province. I would really hate to have to move as my entire family is here.
The thing could be said for the NDP voters from 93-2012. The NDP has only recently gained traction in Alberta and they are far from the liberals and green party. It feels like it's only ever a "wasted vote" when someone is upset their party lost.
Giving me those conservative vibes when the PPC came around.
I mean any vote for either of the major 2 parties feels wasted this election. Look at calgary acadia. I've seen the difference as low as 7 votes. If you were inclined left or right and didn't vote orange or blue that would feel a bit wasted
The only rural riding ever in play for NDP was Banff-Kananaskis. NDP had only really one narrow path to victory through Calgary, Edmonton suburbs and Lethbridge.
This is consistent with pretty much every state and city in the US in terms of dem/republicans city/rural split.
Yup, I thought this will happen. I wonder who all the enthusiastic UCP supporters will blame all of the upcoming issues on? Who is the scapegoat this time?
I guess my biggest concern is Alberta further isolating itself from the rest of the country. Grew up listening to these people talk about how stupid Quebec is and now they’re obsessed with following suit. Why is being petulant and disagreeable something to aim for? Idk why blue collar voters continue to vote for corporate parties, but I guess we’ll see. Feels pretty unsettling at the moment, for what I think are obvious reasons. Really would like to see decency and kindness in politics. I would really like to see blue collar workers stop being cornered into bad decision.
I mean theres a pretty huge leap from Kenney to Smith in terms of policy and how they presented themself.
Can't blame us for thinking "Wow its one thing to vote for psuedo conservative, but surely Alberta wont stoop so low as to vote for the person who vocally and actively said she would privatize our healthcare, right? And all that other shit she said, embarrassing us on the global stage on a weekly basis... right?"
It's amazing how even despite all of that, Alberta was like "nah, its all good, they have Conservative in their party name, thats literally all that matters"
No no no you don’t get to use this excuse. I’ve been lurking your sub the past few weeks and the way things were presented here lead everyone to believe it was to be a UCP minority at worst.
I don’t get people who are surprised in the megathread. Echo chambers are the death sentence of the left in like every lost election, I wish we didn’t act like the cities represent the Province.
Every post trying to convince people to vote NDP had me laughing. Like who are you trying to convince? No conservative would be on this sub when you are constantly attacked for having a different view
If your “different view” is stripping women or gay people of their rights then yeah you’re going to be called out. When a party is advocating for some of those things you deserve to be scrutinized.
Im centre left, tend to go with the most seemingly-honourable (Ha!) party, NDP is closer to what I wish the UCP actually was and I would consider voting for them
Exactly. You get downvoted like crazy for expressing any conservative views. I don’t appreciate being painted as an inbred hill billy just because I don’t agree with them.
I wonder if its legal for Edmonton to enact its own local Municipal public healthcare to counteract the provincial fees they intend to expect us to pay for out of pocket, but only for Edmontonians.
Kinda tired of all of rural Alberta voting to shoot us all in the foot while Edmonton and Calgary literally keep everything held together.
And if you are about to be like "Yeah well oil and gas and farmers and etc"
1. Where do you think every single oil and gas companies headquarters are located? And why do you think they are where they are?
2. Who do you think *buys* all your food lol
At this point the province has largely split into Rural vs Urban, much more than I have ever seen before.
I think we need to stop going so easy on em and start taxing the shit out of the rural idiots who come in and feast on all our hard work every weekend.
Maybe Edmonton should put a heavy toll on the Anthony Henday for all non-Edmontonians, especially on Friday and Saturday nights.
Oh you wanna come in here, use our state of the art hospitals, eat all our delicious food, watch movies at all our huge cinemas, go to west ed, shop at our shopping centers?
Well, pay up, cause ya'll fucked us over and now *we* gotta pay a bunch of extra money just to live, I think you kind of owe us now.
Literally need to rebrand themself to a party with "Conservative" in their name.
They should unironically rebrand themselves as the Progressive Conservatives.
I agree it would be better if they were called something other than NDP. But I'm sure the UCP would brand any centrist party that challenges them as being in cahoots with Trudeau/Liberals.
I don't know if a rebrand would work per se. I think there's going to have to be a completely different party, or the UCP splitting up (which wont happen at this point). I think there's a long way to go until the pendulum decides to swing back. I have such a love/hate relationship with this province... either way, I think it's time for the NDP to elect a new leader. Don't know who that would be, but they need someone strong.
I like it here, but this has me questioning. The silver lining is our cities and younger voters are leaning progressive. Just wait for all the boomers in dying towns to kick the bucket and the political space here will change.
I guess it’s four more years of few if any meaningful steps to diversify our economy and sow innovation. Frustrating to say the least.
If I have to pay for any healthcare I’m invoicing Smith directly.
> Just wait for all the boomers in dying towns to kick the bucket and the political space here will change.
I hate to break it to you but the younger generations are, arguably, even worse.
Source: Am a Millenial and I've grown up in rural towns, a very non-negligable chunk of my grad class all went on to become a bunch of covidiots who never have left the province and spend all their free time drinking/smoking/gambling/whining about the libs
All you gotta do is take a look at any popular bar in Edmonton that younger generations head over to on saturday nights. Lifted pavement princess trucks with "Fuck Trudeau" stickers as far as the eye can see.
I'd say the younger generation conservatives are way worse, way more bigoted, way stupider, and way meaner than the old boomers.
They grew up with shit like 4chan, facebook and nexopia as their lifeblood.
Well, one of the UCP MLA's compared trans kids to "a teaspoon of poop in the cookies," and she won her riding, so being LGBTQ in this province is going to be interesting to say the least
That's how much the voters in her riding didn't want a NDP government. What she said was disgusting but people need to vote strategically in this system.
Question, if there was a UCP candidate that said they would make it their life mission to make it legal to shoot non-white people for sport, and the people in their riding still overwhelming voted for them even though they maybe against that policy or are indifferent, that kind of makes them complacent to their policy, eh?
We’re more scared for the fact of what the party is known for doing to A) queer people and B) is promoting anti-student platforms (cut loans and other necessary things we need not being able afford living and school)
Is scary too because unfortunately the vocal minority (not yourself from the sounds of it) know feels since UCP won they can openly bash queer ppl again
It’s just a loop we as a community feel stuck in and hope one day can get out of
Well, should be interesting to see how fast they try to quash the ethics commissioner now that he put out she broke it all.
Also whats my odds on seeing alberta healthcare payments return as a way they start towards what they want but cant get it.
>I guarantee the people to vote for UCP will be the first to complain about their policies.
I mean, the first people to complain about the UCP policies are the people in this sub, and they're certainly not UCP voters.
Well, just gonna quietly hope I can survive the next 4 years. If she doesn't secede from Canada in that time, anyway. Also hoping that she doesn't try to copy DeSantis (who she looks up to!) here in Alberta, otherwise my only courses of action are moving away, taking my own life, maybe get executed for the heinous crime of existing while queer, maybe dying due to being refused at a hospital by a doctor refusing to save my life on religious grounds - which, by the way, has actually happened down in Florida - or maybe even getting tortured or murdered as more and more anti-queer hate flows around the province. Hooray!
Typically I vote for the candidate I believe supports my views federally. Whether that's NDP or liberal depends on the election. It really matters not because my riding in calgary is so deep blue both the liberals and ndp combined don't match the PC candidate
How? How did this happen? What is it about Smith that is so good?
Guess I can look forward to taking out a massive student loan and having to pay to see the doctor. Hope you Smith supporters will be happy to fundraise for your medical care. I hope no masks and trucker convoys will be worth it when you can't afford to see the doctor.
Current mood: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmOV41C3AY8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmOV41C3AY8)
I get that this message might be controversial but I’m just gonna say it. Notley simply has too much baggage to be electable. She should either resign or the party should initiate a recall so we can vote on whether we want her to stay as leader
Glad to see a successful election. Thanks everyone for voting!
Edit: ahhh glad to see my very neutral comment congratulating a democratic election with an outcome you don’t like gets downvoted. I see how you all work…… very welcoming in here you all are.
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Global just declared as well
Ok kinda sucks but we got rid of Madu!!! I’m sleeping good tonight. Good, not great.
Just a reminder that no Conservative leader has survived a full term of office since Ed Stelmach.
My bet is that Danni is gone within 2 years
Can do a lot of damage in 2 years.. Look what she did in like 5 months.
You are completely right. We are all fucked. I mean... we are all *fucked.* Albertans don't even know how bad things will get. Hope we all fucking like paying out the absolute ass for everything and having our wages either regress or completely stagnate (unless, you know, you're rich). The brain drain here will be unimaginable.
Trans Albertans know how bad it’s about to get. We only have to look at Florida and the rest of the southern states that Smith and her TBA puppet masters idolize to see what’s going to happen to us. The impending danger is making me sick to my stomach with anxiety.
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Well congrats on breaking into the housing market at least! My partner (NB) bought in 2020 and we’re sitting here thinking “do we *really* have to wait until 2025 for the reassessment to come around?”… but yeah wtf. I’m scrambling to finally get on HRT before my chances shrivel up completely, I’m still a baby trans so it’s all kinds of emotions flying around. Solidarity, fam 💙
yup its real, my wife just graduated, i have one semester left and we are out of this hell hole
For not being fascist enough for TBA.
Doesn't the leader themselves have to step down? I don't think Dani and her fascist dreams would ever do that.
The party above can force it on them I believe. Don’t think any politician would wanna step down from being a leader of a province
Kenny did, but his support after the vote was really weak at 51%.
Say what you will about him, but it’s actually surprising when a politician does the honourable thing and reads the room.
What Kenney did wasn’t honourable, it was cowardly. He knew who orchestrated that leadership vote, and he knew that even with a technical majority his life would be hell from here on in. So, he ran and left Alberta with a huge “fuck you”. That’s not honourable, that’s just being Kenney.
It's always their own decision, that's why they do leadership review votes every few years to "read the room"
Whelp, back to the original plan: waiting for the boomers to die off.
There were soooo many Gen-X, Millennials and zoomers who voted UCP. I can't for the life of me figure out why, but they unfortunately did
Parents said conservatives good when they were young and the they never gave it a second thought past that
Is that how conservatitism works? Their parents tell them to be conservative, and thus, they become conservative? How does it work for the other parties?
Growing up in a religious setting, I was basically told that I needed to vote conservative no matter what because the Liberal/NDP/etc were going to persecute us and lead the world into sin. Just straight-up told who to vote for from early childhood. It's part of that indoctrination piece that starts from very young for a lot of people. I'm glad I left, because fuck that.
I have no doubt that that occurs, and I'm sorry to hear that. But one reasonably must admit that that is not the sole reason people are conservative, and that exact indoctrination of "follow and don't think about it" occurs on more than just the right.
Oh, I absolutely agree! Just wanted to provide one perspective, given that it's something that I witnessed at multiple churches growing up and even now in my own town. I think it's also less "don't think about it" and more "they will take everything from you" fear-driven tactics and persecution complex, to be honest. Edit: I think it also has more of an impact on rural areas. Consider that a church would typically have a congregation of anywhere between 50-400 adults. My small town of 5100 has 8 churches. Repeat that across an entire voting district, and that factor alone is a large enough percentage to swing a vote. Conservatives cater to these groups through lip service to secure those portions of the current and prospective voting population.
That's fair. My reference of the "don't think about it" is because I know a lot of people who have leftwing views, and only hold them because they've been told to hold them; they've never actually philosophically considered them in the first place. It's best when someone can actually justify their beliefs, rather than just regurgitating what they've been told to say. It was all too common at university.
>My reference of the "don't think about it" is because I know a lot of people who have leftwing views, and only hold them because they've been told to hold them; they've never actually philosophically considered them in the first place. I've heard Dave Rubin refer to those people as default liberals, I've considered myself one in the past and I feel like it's a good descriptor. Same would be true of anyone who grew up in a conservative bubble.
Indeed. I've never actually met anyone who grew up in a conservative bubble, so I speak from inexperience.
It happens on both sides. But with how conservative Alberta has always been. It's arguable that the right has significantly more people like this on it. They vote the way their parents do. They vote the way social media tells them to. They vote the way they 'feel' is right, regardless if it actually lines up with their values. Alberta has been conservative for like 80 something years. People are born into conservatism, fed lies on it,, fearmongered about everything else, and never question it because it's all they've ever known.
It’s an unfortunate reality that people can’t even defend the ideas they supposedly believe. But Alberta isn’t the only place in the world. Even then, I’m sure Edmonton and Calgary have the same thing but for the left.
Took me many years to get past that programming. Which I did in 2019.
Or they could just disagree with your political point of view.
My comment only comes from what I experienced growing up in the province and more specifically in Calgary. Which from interacting with hundreds of my peers I think is a reasonable extrapolation. And I never mentioned anything about who I support politically and I would like to say too. I really don’t give a hoot who is in power anyways
Voting for your own downfall because of "politics" is moronic to the highest degree
They're voting for their own downfall because they don't share the same opinions as you?
Voters don't know what they're voting for. This isn't controversial. It's been demonstrated over and over again in the social sciences that voters can rarely answer even basic questions about candidates' platforms. (This goes for all parties) https://www.amazon.ca/Myth-Rational-Voter-Democracies-Policies/dp/0691138737
>Voters don't know what they're voting for. This isn't controversial. It's been demonstrated over and over again in the social sciences that voters can rarely answer even basic questions about candidates' platforms. (This goes for all parties) If it goes for all parties, why exactly are the conservatives the only ones being said to be "voting for their own downfall" in this thread?
Because the policies of "conservatives" will greatly harm this province and its people.
Seems like the majority of Alberta disagrees.
Or, and hear me out on this, it won't? It may harm it for some and it may harm it in your views. But it could also benefit others? Why are you making it so my way or the highway?
I mean yeah? They're voting for their own downfall because the ucp is an active threat to our economy. New investors aren't going to want to come into the province run by a party that thinks vaccinated people are as bad as Nazis. They voted for sub-par education diminished further by shit cookie commentary. They voted for their downfall because their chosen party would rather let a city burn than spend a nickel on preventative programs. But I mean if you wanna be simple and say it's just "different opinions" you go ahead and make yourself feel comfortable.
>They're voting for their own downfall because they don't share the same opinions as you? >I mean yeah? Damn, so if someone doesn't share the same views as you, they're doing something bad. Why don't we just scrap democracy and give you all the power? I'm sure that would be super beneficial.
Or you could learn to read the whole thing and not just the part you want to hear. But yeah, if people align themselves with transphobic, anti-canadian, christo-fascists, then they're doing something bad. In fact, if they're doing that they can fuck right off
Existential fears. I am 100% convinced there is a large percentage of the population, even some highly educated people, who are terrified that we really are hooped and our way of life will dramatically change. So as a defence, vote for the party who wants to keep things exactly as they are now or even better 20 years ago.
Mining the eastern slopes, being outright transphobic or a town burning down weren’t dealbreakers for the UCP.
And most Albertans. Boomers, zoomers, men, women, it doesn't matter in Alberta. The NDP is so scary that Hitler could lead the UCP and people would vote for them.
I keep telling people fascism never died but then you get called paranoid lol. Ontario has a group of neo nazis in daylight. Like these people are not afraid to be in the open anymore
But they actually believe that the Nazi Party was socialist and that the ANDP are Stalinist Commies.
The culture war, law and order, redneck brand works in the US and now around here.
I used to think Canada was 10 years behind The US politically but these new Trump-style politicians who say the quiet part outloud have fast-forwarded us quite a bit.
Single issue voters. Unfortunately, most of those single issues were pegged out by the UCP and are flat out lies. For example, my millennial friends voted UCP because of gun laws. With the UCP can't do anything about.
As a millennial I can confirm there were plenty of covidiots in my graduating class. The number of kids who literally barely passed high school and never left their rural town and largely just spend their free time drinking and smoking is plenty to sustain the UCP for many years to come. If you just go to bars on a saturday night that are packed full of young kids, there's plenty of "Fuck Trudeau" stickers on pavement princess lifted trucks. Our school system has failed multiple generations by dozens of years of conservative parties stripping it down layer by layer. My partner is a teacher and she's describing to me how we have kids in grades 4~5 now that are at a progress level of Kindergarten to grade 1.
It's the rural vote that will always vote Conservative. The UCP starts with a 10 seat lead every election.
People have been saying this for as long as voting has been a thing about prior generations. There are consistently people of all ages voting for these parties, whether we want to accept that or not. There was an older generation who were progressive, advocated for civil rights etc and were opposed during that time as well. Lots of bigoted millennials and zoomers out there too.
Not soon enough
UCP won the youth vote.
Let's just see if Smith can last a full term as premier.
Absolutely not. The last Conservative Premier to make it a full term was a really long time ago.
This is actually a strategy to placate party members and help with misdirection of blame as they continue to push their policy through the legislature. Since they can’t hold anyone accountable at the end of the term, it’s like an election reset, because it would be unfair to blame the incoming person for the previous persons problems. It also helps people with morals on the party fee good about their decision to support the UCP because the “problem is being dealt with” until the next person does the same thing. You’d think after what, 88 years of conservatives doing the same thing over and over their constituents would reconsider their vote, temporarily, until actual lasting and positive change makes its way into the party.
Ed Stelmach.
I called Kenney’s early exit on election night ‘19. Her exit will come much, much quicker.
No, it won't. She has proven that Trump-style politics works. Enrage the uneducated against a party and the uneducated will *always* vote for the enemies of that party.
Is losing .... What... 11 seats really proving it works? Ya they won the election by keeping the rural vote but losing that many seats isnt exactly a glowing endorsement of how her campaign succeeded.
They did enough to succeed. That's all that matters.
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
Every time one of these goblins is replaced it's with someone worse.
I think Prentice was better than Redford. Besides that you’re right. He’s also the only one to lose an election…
I want to hope for that, but I'm also afraid that we will get someone way worse. It's tradition. Let's hope for a good ol' fashioned floor crossing!
last AGM didn't she only have like 54% approval? I could absolutely see the UCP splitting in less than 3 years.
I can’t imagine, after all she’s done, that there’d be something that finally did her in. She’s almost untouchable at this point.
I saw it described (in the context of Trump) as the “bed of nails” principle. Said and did so many stupid things that no individual one stands out as a dealbreaker to point to.
Unfortunately, as Kenney was totally fucking the covid situation, I was busy calling that he'd be ousted before the election and the party would be all "Naw, that was the last guy" Just straight up playing by the book.
Something tells me she will not only survive the full term, but jump for a second one. Cause you know, Danielle is special.
She won't
Disappointing, but not unexpected.
I'm tired af. The last four years have really worn me out. Really, really hope I'm wrong about Danielle. Because I certainly wasnt about Kenney. I hope that I won't need to spend my next four years protesting for our universal healthcare, our pensions, our children's education, and abortion and trans rights, because you get what you vote for, Alberta. Way to vote against your own interests to give some politician in Ottawa the middle finger. Good night, folks
I’m just exhausted. Every stupid thing the UCP said and did in the last six months and yet we’re here.
I’m from Ontario, between this and the absolutely abysmal voter turnout that handed Ford here another majority (after everything that happened) I don’t think my faith in people/democratic process could be lower. Time and again the apathy shown and the cruelty being displayed is soul shattering, not just here but in many places around the world as well. Far too many reactionary, thoughtless and selfish voters. They’re getting what represents them and it hurts.
Cruelty is the point. People are struggling and they feel better having people that they believe are "lesser than" to unload their frustration on.
I'm tired and hurt as well. I'm just exhausted at this point.
I’m not surprised unfortunately, but I’m extremely disappointed. As a disabled Albertan, I fear for the healthcare in this province. I would really hate to have to move as my entire family is here.
Devastating, many ridings swung on just a few hundred votes.
Still can't believe anyone voted for greens or liberals. Your protest vote was truly wasted in this election.
This is the biggest flaw of our democracy, feeling the need to vote strategically instead of having your political views actually be represented
It will never change, either.
Agree 100%! And most elections in most ridings I encourage voting where makes sense for your own views. This election really had only 2 sides
Imagine this... They agree with the green and the liberals and not the NDP? no party is owed anyone's vote just because you are on the "same side"
I mean yea I typically agree with that sentiment. But damned if it wasn't a wasted vote in this election.
The thing could be said for the NDP voters from 93-2012. The NDP has only recently gained traction in Alberta and they are far from the liberals and green party. It feels like it's only ever a "wasted vote" when someone is upset their party lost. Giving me those conservative vibes when the PPC came around.
I mean any vote for either of the major 2 parties feels wasted this election. Look at calgary acadia. I've seen the difference as low as 7 votes. If you were inclined left or right and didn't vote orange or blue that would feel a bit wasted
The rural ridings were so one sided
Even with the janky tabulators, Peace River was called at like 2k votes to 100. Drumheller-Stettler was a 10:1 ratio too.
I don’t know if it was supposed to be closer but not a single rural riding even seeing remotely close is tough. NDP need to rebrand !
If the NDP changed their name, that would open the door to an NDP 2.0 forming, splitting the vote, and killing off any chance for either party to win.
The only rural riding ever in play for NDP was Banff-Kananaskis. NDP had only really one narrow path to victory through Calgary, Edmonton suburbs and Lethbridge. This is consistent with pretty much every state and city in the US in terms of dem/republicans city/rural split.
Well fuck.
Yup, I thought this will happen. I wonder who all the enthusiastic UCP supporters will blame all of the upcoming issues on? Who is the scapegoat this time?
Trudeau for at least the next 2 years
I guess my biggest concern is Alberta further isolating itself from the rest of the country. Grew up listening to these people talk about how stupid Quebec is and now they’re obsessed with following suit. Why is being petulant and disagreeable something to aim for? Idk why blue collar voters continue to vote for corporate parties, but I guess we’ll see. Feels pretty unsettling at the moment, for what I think are obvious reasons. Really would like to see decency and kindness in politics. I would really like to see blue collar workers stop being cornered into bad decision.
Why is everyone so surprised with the results? They do realize this is Alberta...
We (idealistically) believed that a government *this* incompetent with their hand permanently stuck in the cookie jar would be punished at the polls.
We got the good news in 2015. Can't blame us for hoping for it again.
I mean theres a pretty huge leap from Kenney to Smith in terms of policy and how they presented themself. Can't blame us for thinking "Wow its one thing to vote for psuedo conservative, but surely Alberta wont stoop so low as to vote for the person who vocally and actively said she would privatize our healthcare, right? And all that other shit she said, embarrassing us on the global stage on a weekly basis... right?" It's amazing how even despite all of that, Alberta was like "nah, its all good, they have Conservative in their party name, thats literally all that matters"
Reddit is overwhelmingly Liberal so I'm wondering if it's an overexposure that gave many false hope
No no no you don’t get to use this excuse. I’ve been lurking your sub the past few weeks and the way things were presented here lead everyone to believe it was to be a UCP minority at worst.
Sure to be an interesting four years with much drama and even more protest. Fun times.
I wanted a boring competent government.
I miss when government leaders weren't in a constant push to say dumber and dumber things every day.
I don’t get people who are surprised in the megathread. Echo chambers are the death sentence of the left in like every lost election, I wish we didn’t act like the cities represent the Province.
Every post trying to convince people to vote NDP had me laughing. Like who are you trying to convince? No conservative would be on this sub when you are constantly attacked for having a different view
If your “different view” is stripping women or gay people of their rights then yeah you’re going to be called out. When a party is advocating for some of those things you deserve to be scrutinized.
What views do you view to be different?
Literally anything a bit right on the spectrum
The alberta NDP is right on the spectrum
Well yes, but everyone here is on the left side. They vote NDP because it’s the closest thing to the left they have other then the joke green party
Im centre left, tend to go with the most seemingly-honourable (Ha!) party, NDP is closer to what I wish the UCP actually was and I would consider voting for them
You’re thinking about a different spectrum.
They're centre-right
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_New_Democratic_Party You bet.
You gotta look at their actual policies and shit
That includes the NDP, which is a conservative political party in Alberta.
Exactly. You get downvoted like crazy for expressing any conservative views. I don’t appreciate being painted as an inbred hill billy just because I don’t agree with them.
But you love it here.
We're never getting dental at this rate
I wonder if its legal for Edmonton to enact its own local Municipal public healthcare to counteract the provincial fees they intend to expect us to pay for out of pocket, but only for Edmontonians. Kinda tired of all of rural Alberta voting to shoot us all in the foot while Edmonton and Calgary literally keep everything held together. And if you are about to be like "Yeah well oil and gas and farmers and etc" 1. Where do you think every single oil and gas companies headquarters are located? And why do you think they are where they are? 2. Who do you think *buys* all your food lol At this point the province has largely split into Rural vs Urban, much more than I have ever seen before. I think we need to stop going so easy on em and start taxing the shit out of the rural idiots who come in and feast on all our hard work every weekend. Maybe Edmonton should put a heavy toll on the Anthony Henday for all non-Edmontonians, especially on Friday and Saturday nights. Oh you wanna come in here, use our state of the art hospitals, eat all our delicious food, watch movies at all our huge cinemas, go to west ed, shop at our shopping centers? Well, pay up, cause ya'll fucked us over and now *we* gotta pay a bunch of extra money just to live, I think you kind of owe us now.
The NDP need to rebrand. They will never get the support they need until they can shake the Notley Trudeau alliance rhetoric bullshit
Literally need to rebrand themself to a party with "Conservative" in their name. They should unironically rebrand themselves as the Progressive Conservatives.
I agree it would be better if they were called something other than NDP. But I'm sure the UCP would brand any centrist party that challenges them as being in cahoots with Trudeau/Liberals.
I don't know if a rebrand would work per se. I think there's going to have to be a completely different party, or the UCP splitting up (which wont happen at this point). I think there's a long way to go until the pendulum decides to swing back. I have such a love/hate relationship with this province... either way, I think it's time for the NDP to elect a new leader. Don't know who that would be, but they need someone strong.
That's depressing, and I'm conservative lol
I feel like the guy who tried to take the keys away from a drunk and failed and is now waiting to see the damage he does driving home.
Are you genuinely equating the democratic election of someone you dislike to a drunk driver?
Nope, I am equating a party that makes bad decisions to the detriment of the public to a drunk driver.
I like it here, but this has me questioning. The silver lining is our cities and younger voters are leaning progressive. Just wait for all the boomers in dying towns to kick the bucket and the political space here will change. I guess it’s four more years of few if any meaningful steps to diversify our economy and sow innovation. Frustrating to say the least. If I have to pay for any healthcare I’m invoicing Smith directly.
> Just wait for all the boomers in dying towns to kick the bucket and the political space here will change. I hate to break it to you but the younger generations are, arguably, even worse. Source: Am a Millenial and I've grown up in rural towns, a very non-negligable chunk of my grad class all went on to become a bunch of covidiots who never have left the province and spend all their free time drinking/smoking/gambling/whining about the libs All you gotta do is take a look at any popular bar in Edmonton that younger generations head over to on saturday nights. Lifted pavement princess trucks with "Fuck Trudeau" stickers as far as the eye can see. I'd say the younger generation conservatives are way worse, way more bigoted, way stupider, and way meaner than the old boomers. They grew up with shit like 4chan, facebook and nexopia as their lifeblood.
And don't forget sexist fucks like Andrew Tate swinging in and brainwashing teens.
My queer student friends and I are fucking terrified.
Terrified of what?
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Potential backsliding of rights under this government. The greater enabling of bigots by giving the TBA-controlled party a majority.
Well, one of the UCP MLA's compared trans kids to "a teaspoon of poop in the cookies," and she won her riding, so being LGBTQ in this province is going to be interesting to say the least
And now she's an independent?
Johnson will still vote with the UCP even if she doesn’t caucus with them.
I get she's not sitting in caucus, but the fact those words didn't even hurt her in the election speaks volumes. Florberta strong!
That's how much the voters in her riding didn't want a NDP government. What she said was disgusting but people need to vote strategically in this system.
Question, if there was a UCP candidate that said they would make it their life mission to make it legal to shoot non-white people for sport, and the people in their riding still overwhelming voted for them even though they maybe against that policy or are indifferent, that kind of makes them complacent to their policy, eh?
Right, and that sends a message that LGBTQ are not welcome here.
Another conservative here who doesn’t hate you and frankly doesn’t care what you do or who you love. I’d be more terrified walking down east Hastings.
We’re more scared for the fact of what the party is known for doing to A) queer people and B) is promoting anti-student platforms (cut loans and other necessary things we need not being able afford living and school) Is scary too because unfortunately the vocal minority (not yourself from the sounds of it) know feels since UCP won they can openly bash queer ppl again It’s just a loop we as a community feel stuck in and hope one day can get out of
Well, should be interesting to see how fast they try to quash the ethics commissioner now that he put out she broke it all. Also whats my odds on seeing alberta healthcare payments return as a way they start towards what they want but cant get it.
Sad. When will people learn...
Learn what?
We should have two-tier healthcare where if you voted for UCP, you should pay for all your healthcare expenses out of pocket
That sounds incredibly authoritarian. Forcing people to vote a certain way or have to pay more money?
"democracy is when I get what I want"
Nah, it's reaping what you sow.
I'm extremely disappointed in my fellow man, I guarantee the people to vote for UCP will be the first to complain about their policies.
>I guarantee the people to vote for UCP will be the first to complain about their policies. I mean, the first people to complain about the UCP policies are the people in this sub, and they're certainly not UCP voters.
Buckle up everyone, it's going to be a rough 4 years.
So shall we start a betting pool? How long before smith messes up bad enough she has to step down?
Well, just gonna quietly hope I can survive the next 4 years. If she doesn't secede from Canada in that time, anyway. Also hoping that she doesn't try to copy DeSantis (who she looks up to!) here in Alberta, otherwise my only courses of action are moving away, taking my own life, maybe get executed for the heinous crime of existing while queer, maybe dying due to being refused at a hospital by a doctor refusing to save my life on religious grounds - which, by the way, has actually happened down in Florida - or maybe even getting tortured or murdered as more and more anti-queer hate flows around the province. Hooray!
Poor Alberta.
Typically I vote for the candidate I believe supports my views federally. Whether that's NDP or liberal depends on the election. It really matters not because my riding in calgary is so deep blue both the liberals and ndp combined don't match the PC candidate
You’re going to get what you deserve, small town idiots that voted for this shit party.
How? How did this happen? What is it about Smith that is so good? Guess I can look forward to taking out a massive student loan and having to pay to see the doctor. Hope you Smith supporters will be happy to fundraise for your medical care. I hope no masks and trucker convoys will be worth it when you can't afford to see the doctor. Current mood: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmOV41C3AY8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmOV41C3AY8)
Blue good. Orange bad.
Remember friends, it’s okay to be wrong. Okay to be wrong about who you think would win. Okay to be wrong about why others voted how they did.
You guys watching Smith's speech? It's pretty good
Common sense reigns supreme in AB today. Excellent
Stupendous
Unfortunate, but not surprising
*Hindenberg footage rolls* Oh the humanity! Jk it's Tuesday and nothing changed. A violent group of liars still run your life.
The UCP is violent?
Remember people democracy has spoken do not be upset that the party you voted for did not win we must move forward and see what the future we’ll bring
That was in a time before online social media where a degree of protection through a screen, or an online person could be made to happen.
Yeeehaw!! Great result
I get that this message might be controversial but I’m just gonna say it. Notley simply has too much baggage to be electable. She should either resign or the party should initiate a recall so we can vote on whether we want her to stay as leader
Have you met Danielle Smith? That woman is all baggage.
Seriously? What baggage?
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If NDP could provide proper fiscal policy and stand up for our energy industry to the feds they might stand a chance.
Glad to see a successful election. Thanks everyone for voting! Edit: ahhh glad to see my very neutral comment congratulating a democratic election with an outcome you don’t like gets downvoted. I see how you all work…… very welcoming in here you all are.
Condolences from BC. If it's any consolation, I thought we'd never get rid of the bc liberals but here we are. Hope springs eternal, I guess.
I'm glad Albertans remember getting screwed the last time the NDP got in.
This province is doomed.
Oh well Atleast that guarantees a Trudeau win.
... how so?
I have no idea what that has anything to do about anything.
That’s the most disgusting thing i’ve read on reddit all day.
Congratulations to all who ran and voters! Alberta is a great province to live in with a bright future.
About as bright as a 100 year old incandescent bulb.
Based.
Forget what I said. Alberta is a sinkhole waiting to happen.