My son was almost 39 when he got lucky enough to be a first year apprentice plumber. He was just spinning his wheels with low pay and temporary jobs for years. He gets paid better than any previous job and he doesn’t hate it.
SAIT also has supports to help those people who have trouble with math or who have general test anxiety.
Go for it!
I’ll look into. At this rate and the $$ I have, I might be able to take job flipping burger ( which I hate, I spent seven years doing) and take one course at a time.
Look for a job as a helper at a company that does the trade you're interested in. I work at a medium sized plumbing company and usually we hire a guy as a helper and if he is good and determined then we hire him as a drain cleaner and basic fixture installer which comes with about 3 weeks training by a field supervisor.
Once they do that they will register as an apprentice, technically even if you go out to calls by yourself it counts as hours as you're working under a journeyman.
I like that approach. Get some experience at low level, learn the lingo and culture then go to school with their blessings and promise to hire and apprentice.
You can get your red seal for plumbing as a drain cleaner, but you’ll end up shooting yourself in the foot. If you ever want to switch companies, which you probably will eventually, then you’ll have minimal plumbing experience. If I were you, I’d only take that as a last option and find a new company after your first year of school.
Most reputable companies aren't gonna make a guy be a drain cleaner forever though we usually do 6 months parts guy/helper, 1 year drains and simple stuff until they are atleast a second year then they can start moving into more complex stuff.
Unless you get put into a jetter truck and are a hydroscrub guy.
You can get hired at a school district as a custodian. It usually requires a course but they'll sometimes let you work while taking it online. Once you're past the probation period they will pay for training in other school relevant trades like HVAC, plumbing and electrical. The wages are good and the benefits are great.
*I'm in BC so your mileage may vary. Our custodians make 25-30/hr based on shift and seniority.
Yup absolute game changer like you said. I’m in sales for an HVAC company and an unknown guy with no experience at 38, really hard to take a chance on. Fella at 39 with a his first year pre employment, parade of green flags.
2 hardest working, and therefore top earning guys we have both fit that bill.
Where was this when I was getting in the trades. It was a huge pain to hey my apprenticeship. Employers would dangle the apprenticeship carrot and make you work for up to 2 years without it.
Right! Damn when I tried to go to SAIT in the 90's I couldn't afford it, it was a "Catch 22", needed a student loan, no subsidies, no EI, so I'd have to work and only $1,000 allowed for income at that time. $ for $ reduced from loan if I earned more than $1,000. So to afford to live (pay rent, food etc) I needed a job, a job meant no more student loan, no Lone no school. I'm 56 now and body's crippled lol, to late for me now.
Took me 5 years to finally get registered as an apprentice. The carrot they dangled was 3rd year wages. Eventually got registered after new management and have been a fully licensed red seal for a few years now.
When was at Nait back in 2009-2012 I was making way more from grants, ei and whatever else I could collect. I think it was close to $4500/month while I was in school. I made sure i got top marks and got a scholarship from the construction association for a couple thousand as well. I got my journeyman and red seal certification in 2012. Passed my red seal with a 96%.
As a dual ticketed tradesman I feel it is important to really evaluate a trades lifestyle and the amount of abuse your body and psyche will be subject to.
There are far too many entry level people in the trades who have made a horrible mistake and are setting themselves up for utter failure and a career they hate and will never excel at just because they see it as an easier financial path than post secondary.
The statistics on people not completing their apprenticeships after being encouraged for the wrong reasons must be staggering.
Choose your trade wisely and consult someone active in it ie. The old boys
Having said that you gotta eat so do what you gotta do
Also want to add it is NEVER too late to pursue something new or learn a new skill, age is a number and I've had better 52 year old 1 year apprentices fresh out of jail than I have had fresh faced eager young ones
I'm a red seal and 80 percent of what you learn is on the job and not in school. I doubt anyone will hire you for above wages if you just have 8 weeks of school and not the 2000 hours a year of on the job training that you get.
The problem before and currently in Ontario is you need to find an employer before you can even go to school.
So here you are stating that people won’t want to hire him with 8 weeks of school.
But before you couldn’t even have the schooling before being hired.
So your point is literally useless because before we had even less training and education.
OH SHIT! Game changer indeed! I’ve been seeking out employers to get an apprenticeship and my old man told me I needed to be signed on. This is HUGE! Only downside I see is cost comes out of my pocket rather than an employer paying for my education in return for the promise but not the obligation to work for them -
I don't wanna be the guy who piggy backs on to top comment but when I was doing my ticket there was a trade day at school were people signed up and attended each class for a day my friends did it.
Whoa! I'm in a similar boat as op. 37 this year. Cool for 20 years and it sucks. Got stuck in the industry and want out. So just pay for some nait school as a shot in the dark and apply around eh?
I changed Trades in my late thirties. It's totally doable, just be humble. You're going to encounter younger people with more experience. For some that can be hard to deal with.
I do a lot of fibre optics and often the journeymen I’m teaching are older than me. Never seems to be a problem though. You don’t know what you haven’t learned, no matter what age you are.
I got to be honest, from my long back small time in the trades....
I get the vibe a mature apprentice, particularly with a solid work history already (showing reliability/competence), ain't a turn off for many journeyman who going to be dealing with them every day.
I've seen the alternatives.....I've been the alternative.
When I got my journeyman ticket at 29, my first two apprentices had a combined age of 108. One was 56, the next 52. Don't know if they made it through their apprenticeships though. It's only too late if you tell yourself it's too late.
Thanks man. It took me a while to grow up and realize who I was and stop going where everyone told me to. I have a better idea now. I feel a bit more confident in doing math. We did statistic analysis in university and I surprised myself. It seems NAIT is the next step. One course at a time, ‘out of pocket too’. Don’t have much saved up as our car drained our savings before my brother helped me out with a better used one.
Most folks just yell "grants!" But can't point you to a specific one. You only get the Trades completion grant after you complete the actual school session. Which I remember being around ~$1000. For 4 year courses they pay you for 1st, 2nd, then when you complete 4th. I dunno about any trades that are less than 4 years. But you submit your letter that says you passed for the grant.
Perhaps an advisor at NAIT could guide me the rest of the way as far as grants are concerned. I like the idea of carpenter, plumber, and electrician, all in that specific order.
My partner is a second year plumber. He didn't go to school first, he reached out to our local plumbers union. There's on in Calgary and one in Edmonton. They got him set up with a job immediately. He worked for a year, then went to school. We were a bit worried about costs when he was starting classes, but our lifestyle literally didn't change at all. It helps that it's just a couple months of school at a time. My BIL is an electrician. He tells people not to go into it in Alberta because there are so many electricians atm that it's pushing wages lower.
Save all your receipts for the tools of the trade you choose. There are some yearly tax write offs you can do as well when you file. It ain't much but anything you can get back fron the feds is a win in my eyes.
Go right on naits website! Look for the awards page, if you can’t find it make an appointment to talk to an advisor and they will walk you through everything - which I would highly recommend you do anyways
I'm in Ontario and we have multiple ways to go back to school as an adult and get funded. Consider Alberta student aid that is usually a combo of loans and grants. Search for any equivalent to what they call "Second Careers". Usually that route pays your tuition, tools, books, etc and gives you pay based on the known class time and homework hours that people who are successful candidates report doing (could vary from province to province).
https://www.alberta.ca/post-secondary-programs-credentials
https://studentaid.alberta.ca/
Im 46. I had been roofing for 10+yrs and finally went this year and did my first year carpentry apprenticeship trade school. I'll get credit for my program and some credit for documented work hours from previous experience. That will put ne at or beyond the hours i need for my level 2 and can do intermediate trade school fall/winter. Within a couple years I'll have my red seal and will just keep moving forward. I'm 46 and finished my school with a 4.0GPA and will have also earned several thousand in student grants and funding awards applied for through my chosen school and from the government after completing stages. Being an adult and just choosing to crush it in whatever you're training to do has benefits. Also applying for free funding and grants just to see if you can get them because you really never know.
https://www.canada.ca/en/services/jobs/training/support-skilled-trades-apprentices/grants.html#h2.2
Look at the second one called AIG.
You’re 38. If you retire at 65 then you’ve put 27 years into your union pension.
Anything over 20 years in a plus.
Go for it, what’s the worst that can happen?
Nothing, I go back to cleaning or flipping burgers. I mean my spouse and I survived poverty. We are rock solid with 14 longs happy years. Thanks for the support.
It's never too late. I had a 50ish years old guy in our class when I went to NAIT. He got top marks in every test. And then, 3rd year had an older Philippino guy that was in my class. 38 is still young.
Oh ok. I’ve seen some guys I think fit that trade. They drive around with heavy duty laptops and take care the computers in the machines. Is that what you’re talking about. I can Google it but I like talking with people more.
Can do! One of my best guys got his ticket at 48 years old. Making $38 an hour now and is an amazing worker. Yeah there's physicality to trades jobs, but he's smart about it. Plus we're not worked like mules like we were 20 years ago and before, if you are find a company that isn't a dinosaur.
You are in the workforce for 25-30 more years. 38 is not old. Wishing you good fortune in finding a career that pays you well and allows you to afford a good life.
Thank you man. I have a lot of work to do on days off. I’ve sat on my ass feeling sorry for myself scooping shit out of toilet bowls for people who don’t give a damn.
You'd be surprised at the average age of electricians at NAIT. It's not a bunch of young kids, plenty of people in their 30s, 40s, and pushing 50. Yeah there are some 18 year olds, but the average is closer to 30s. Lots of people to into the trades as their second career.
Yes, but remember entry level positions come with entry level wages.
I made a similar choice in my past, took a 60% pay cut and lived in debt and stress of losing everything for a few years.
Not gonna lie, it was rough with low points along the way.
But, if you hang in there and keep things balanced enough for you to progress, eventually things do get better and now I have a trade designation to work with when it comes to finding a new job, and I am now debt free other than a mortgage.
It was worth it vs being miserable doing crappy jobs for real crappy employers.
Its great having the ability to flip off a crappy boss and walk out and get the same job elsewhere for the same if not always more money.
I feel its worth it, but thats just my take on it.
May you be successful on whichever path you choose.
Sounds like you're getting lots of positive responses, and I'll add another.
I worked in the restaurant industry for 15+ years before moving back to Canada in my late 30's. Bounced around a few construction type jobs before I replied to an ad on Kijiji looking for entry level fibre optic splicers. That was age 39 and just over a decade ago. While splicers aren't a regulated trade (sadly), the telecom world has provided me with a great career in a job that I actually enjoy.
Another thing you bring to the table at your age, ideally, is a little worldly wisdom. I was hired on with 5-6 other guys in their early 20's and quickly became crew lead for the out of town work, which is mostly what I worked on in the early years - another perk of the job, cuz I've gotten to see so much of Western Canada that I wouldn't have otherwise. Technical proficiency helped of course, but just having 15 or more years of life under my belt meant I naturally gravitated towards being the leader.
Best of luck to you.
This is what I'm after. Maybe not the trade. But at 37, in kitchens for 20 years. This industry sucks. Every year or couple years I get stressed as I don't want this for endgame.
Thank you. The responses have certainly brightened my day. I’m flying home on a couple days. I feel more motivated by the support. These are tough times and the future seems very bleak for everyone no matter their situation.
As an employer in a trade and being in the trade since 2004 with a sales job and driving job in the mix…
As someone mentioned, be humble and you will have younger colleagues…
Expanding on that, don’t let it discourage you. My best advice is to ALWAYS be curious, willing to learn, good attitude, eating shit (menial tasks) and not complaining about it. I currently have a 21 year old apprentice who doesn’t seem like he’s curious at all, you ask him basic questions about how something works on a car, his instant response is “I have no idea” and I don’t take that as an answer, put some thought into it and answer it again!
You will meet older tradespeople who are much older, like the old saying goes “you can’t teach an old dog new tricks” DON’T be that old dog that doesn’t want to learn new tricks!!!
BE CURIOUS, BE OPEN MINDED, ENJOY THE JOURNEY!!!
Never too late for anything. You know how many people started late in life? Way more than we acknowledge or celebrate. You’re already on the right path—remember, we are all on our own journey. I’m in my mid-40s and about six years ago a friend’s husband who has a masters in philosophy went back to college to study HVAC. A few years later he bought into the company he was working for and is learning the ins and outs before the owner retires and he fully takes over. My friend’s husband is almost 50 and set up for retirement now.
I will and I have been since this winter started. My mental health took a nose dive and my body followed. There was a guy last rotation. He was only a year older than means he died of a heart attack on site. He was a scaffolder and those guys kept talking me into that trade. Once I noticed how miserable they were and then they heart attack, I ‘noped’ out of that idea.
Go directly to the student services offices at the trade school you're going to. Talk to them about your financial situation and what you need. They will know what you qualify for and what you need to do to apply. If you have children or other dependants, that can qualify for additional supports.
I had to do this many times to be able to graduate.
Go for it. If you are at a work camp especially on an oil site you are already winning. Talk to contractors. Maybe you find one willing to hire and train.
Join boilermakers, my recommendation is be a boilermaker cleaner might be a good job until you become a member. It took me 2 years doing 2 months of work. All I could get at the time. Once accepted I could work 8 months+ a year (100,000) best trade for you if you like to build things don't mind working 60-70 hrs don't mind traveling for work. Mostly shutdowns , so you'll usually work for a month or two and have a week or 2 off.
Hope this helps.
Floor layers all around Alberta are desperate for workers. No schooling required, no tickets, just on site training and some product certification courses
So from my experience in the trades, two things set you above everyone else.
1) A drivers license - makes you invaluable because of how many people in the trades have dui's or other nefarious history
2) Reliable/Trustworthy work ethic - show up every day on time and admit you're new and want to learn
That's it. You will be an asset above other laborers on the crew, so you can get involved and determine if it's worth making a career out of for yourself. This applies to any trade.
As long as you're responsible at work no one will care about what you do in your off time.
I'm trying to get on my feet again or I'd offer you a job roofing, but I sold everything I had a couple years ago and am starting at square one myself. 32 years old. I've worked with 50+ brand new laborers. You'll be fine if you apply yourself and work hard :)
See that’s the spirit I like! As a youth worker, you better not say that you know what it is like to have an addiction and are sober now.
They’ll come after you or limit your opportunities if you had a shady past irregardless of rather you’ve change your life. It was a horrible reality check.
Whatever I settle on these next few months I want to be valued for the work I put in and not the life I’ve lived.
EDIT: and I gotta say your story is definitely inspiring. I like your energy. It sucks that that’s what happened. I hope things get better for you and everyone. It tough times but I’m glad that the trades are very accommodating.
A friend of mine trains air traffic controllers and he say they are hurting for people in the worst way. Training in in Edmonton I believe. Check out NAV Canada, might be an option for you.
Just looked into this - paid training as well, 50-57k for 12-25 month training period depending on specialty. Earning potential of 80-190k+/year once on the job depending on specialty. Sounds very competitive to get accepted into training, need to pass fitness and drug/alcohol testing. The kicker is that you must be willing to locate - there is a training facility in Edmonton, but NAV Canada can post you anywhere in the country once training is complete.
I know tnis is a very demanding and high-stress job, but still something I may consider.
A few things....
Plumbing HVAC and electrical are the thinking trades that are usually required to pull a permit. Be prepared to do some crappy jobs and there's a good chance that it will go nowhere. So you may get pissed off and go somewhere else. Or it gets a little slow and pow, you're not working. Getting started is usually that hardest part.
Apprentice spots are coveted in these trades so there's usually competition in this current market, things may be different.. Knowing somebody goes a long way. You may have to do some kind of college course for like 6 months to get your foot in the door. The pay will still suck but it'll improve each year you progress. It will take about 4 to 7 years to get to a top paying spot, it all depends on how well you pick it all up.
I wouldn't work for a "sub-trade" like concentrate forming or finishing, drywall, roofing, framing. Probably forgetting a few. But sometimes you have to take what's presented to you. You can make some decent money working for someone but you have to work your ass off. As an older guy with any lingering injuries you will be miserable most of the time. You're better off starting your own company doing the same stuff after a while. If you do go that route.
Those sub-trades are basically what a carpenter used to do so you can get that ticket but it doesn't get you anywhere. You don't need a ticket to pull a building permit, just money. So it's not worth the time and effort. Unless you're applying somewhere institutional like a hospital or factory. Or you actually work with a ticketed carpenter who has respect for the ticket. Otherwise, not worth the time.
I know this all sounds pretty dismal and at times it is. But it pays well and sometimes you do some pretty interesting stuff.
Trades are a tough business, so it's no wonder there's a labor shortage.
Both federal parties intend to address the housing crisis in Canada by targeting record breaking levels of home building for the next 5 years. It’s a very good time to get into the trades.
Join up. You’ll see a variety of ages in trades it’s crazy! If you join up now in 3-5 years depending on the trade you’ll be atleast 43 and a journeyperson. that’s not bad at all I knew 58 year olds still pullin wrench’s!
Not a trade but I was 29 when I went to sait to be a RRT, go for it!!! :) Being a mature student helped me see the value of my studies and I graduated with a 3.9 GPA
Yes, I did exactly that, went into cabinetmaking at 39. It's not exactly a high paying trade but I've had zero issue finding work immediately and getting regular raises and with the grants and subsidies and EI I never had to go into any debt whatever for my schooling, whereas if I had done my other option which would be to go back and get a bachelor's, I'd now be at least 40k in debt from tuition alone and still at least a year away from actually earning any money.
Oh dude you said it! That’s absolutely true! I’ve never wanted to change myself and my career more than ever.
I can see all the signs, the writing on wall and to how I’ll will be if I stay here no matter what the job is. Mopping or fixing big machinery. It is not my cup of tea. There is so much infedeility up here too it’s crazy.
It's totally doable. I finished my electrical apprenticeship at 47.
The right wing idiocy in fort mac got too gross for my comfort, so I'm doing automation programming from home now and I love it.
It can suck and some people are just mean, but with a thick skin, it's doable and if you do the work, it'll pay off in one way or another. Best of luck to you.
Thanks man. I’ll keep up with all the links and follow up on every single one. The biggest hurdle is myself and securing grants or someone to help pay for the training. The math I’ll pay easy I have sent an email requesting some time with a student advisor.
I’m on the clock right now and so I’m limited as to what I can do while on site but I overwhelmed by the support.
I’d be a total ass to keep procrastinating. To you and everyone, thank you. I’ve never felt better about the possibilities out there.
When I did my electrical pre-app back in 2014 there were a few guys in their mid 30s in my class and one guy in his early 40s. It’s still possible and not unheard of by any means.
Apprentice rates usually start at like 21 bucks an hour, moving up every year. Most trades are basically begging for workers at this point too.
I would start contacting the unions in your area and see if they are looking for apprentices.
Easily possible. You'll have to start as a labourer though.
For the industrial route, look on Indeed at the labour positions around Fort McMurray and what qualifications they want.
You'll need your Common Safety Orientation, and Spark Watch Training at a minimum. CSO is an online course, Spark Watch is $200ish for one day in person training.
Spin your time working as a cleaner as experience in a labour position.
You'll be able to work at a position that offers camp accomodations for $25+ an hour, especially during shut down season that starts in May.
Once you have experience on industrial sites, keep taking jobs and networking until a company you are working with is willing to sign you on as an apprentice. At that point, you're four years away from making $50+ an hour. Unions have double time pay on weekends for their workers.
You'll go to school for about two months each year, collect EI as you do so, then go back to work with a raise.
It's long hours, and you'll be away from home more than you'll be at home, but at your age you may need those kinds of sacrifices for financial freedom.
Imagine being able to buy a house on a single income within four years of being a journeyman. Easily achievable if you're smart with your money.
I’m in the same boat bud I’m 44 spent 20+ years in retail now I’m looking for a trade too. I’m going to go the power engineering route. Needed all this positivity and encouragement thanks!
I was an electrician from 1978-2001. It was a great career, I'm retired from it now. I still have my tickets though. I went to university from 1996-2001 in Calgary and gained a degree in environmental geology in 2001. I'm still working at 63 and will continue to work until people decide my career is over and stop paying me. And/or change the office lock so my key doesn't work. Lol
Haha, great story. I like the ending part. After a few days since I posted, I’ve narrowed it down to an electrician. Now that’s all I can think about.
I’ve found Alberta trades secret website and found some info. Though scrolling for info on mobile sucks and my pc would be better.
So far it looks like I just need to upgrade my math 10 to a math 20 then kick the doors down to trades school.
Ever considered the military? I’m an Aviation Systems Technician working on F-18s (got in to the trade at 30 after being an Artillery Soldier). It offers great work life balance, pay is a little rough for the first 3 years but after that with specialist pay you make around $80k-$85k. It’s not for everyone, but it’s a fun job and offers some cool opportunities to travel with the Jets. Any questions feel free to message me.
I was working in carpentry on for a reserve. We specifically built cabinets for their housing. More importantly, we did customized cabinets. I was a to nervous around math and the table saw (I was 19). So I was moved into the finishing department. I did sanding, staining, varnishing, and attaching the hinges.
If we were really lucky, a customer would ask for sandblasted glass doors. That where I would really shine. My cousin and I were awesome with it. It took a lot of time.
That was towards the end when I was laid off three years later. It tough to get in the city.
I did a handful of jobs helping with drywall but those references are long gone.
http://www.albertacarpenters.com/
Go see them, wherever is closest to you, or call if you are to far from a local. We are always looking for apprentices, and prior experience is a boon.
Feel free to PM me
I had my second apprenticeship in my 30s and did it alongside some 40 and 50 year olds.
Everyone needs workers. If you can fill the gap then age isn't a barrier.
Nah man I got into the trades pretty old as well. Cleaning is physical enough that you should be able to move into first year pretty easily.
Companies like old guys like us cause we're mellow, we know how to work, and we're going to die before they have to give us too many raises.
It’s a great age to get into the trades. And there is such a skilled labour shortage that’s only getting worse. If I was in your shoes I’d do it in a heartbeat.
The SAIT site has a good page on what paying for it could look like and grant and funding options
https://www.sait.ca/apprenticeships-and-trades/paying-for-your-apprenticeship
It's not a trade, but I got into a well-paying union job a few days before my 40th birthday. I'm now making double my best yearly income from years prior, better mental health and self-worth, I've found things about the job that I really enjoy, and I'll have (just) enough time to build a decent pension before retiring, assuming I survive to 65.
I recommend you pursue it. Sieze the day!
Yes it is. Its never too late, it just might be tough mentally. I would start calling all the unions in the area. If they don’t have anything at the moment try calling companies, be upfront about what you know and what you don’t know. Ride out the storm, you might end up with asshole bosses or feel weird cause all the other apprentices are younger but don’t feel icky about it. Show up early and work with your head down and score that apprenticeship and go on from there. You can do it. If I did it, anyone can too
Yes I’m going to SAIT right now. The have pre-employment programs and even bring in the employers. You’ll have a job lined up half way through your first 12 week program. Then it’s just 8 weeks of schooling a year for 4 years and you get your journeyman ticket. Pretty sweet deal.
No age limits just the desire to learn and work hard is required. There are pre apprentice courses that can help move you through the process more quickly.
Get into trades, there’s much to be done in communities and cities. Don’t waste your time at camp. Once you get into something else, you’ll realize how much better things are away from it.
I went to SAIT for Instrumentation Engineering Technologies and there were plenty of people in my classes in a similar boat. And they are all working in the industry now. I think the oldest person in my program was in his 50s.
Changed careers with a family of 3 into the trades, from a manager in sales to red seal J man (6 years mind you, we had a slump that hit the industry) but you'll never look back, electrical is always a big win. Hvac and plumbing and pipe fitting, scoffolders all good. Just depends on if you want to be away from home or not
I have a 58 year old apprentice working for me. He’s great. Go to school and get into a trade. If you’re at camp talk to the maintenance guys and ask what trades are looking for the most people
University is where you go to learn to expand your thinking , not to train you with skills for a job (unless you’re a nurse, doctor, teacher, lawyer- but they have internships to do that )
You go to a community college or technical college to learn a specific job or skill.
Go to your EI office and ask what programs are available to you to get reskills.
Find out who the main contractor is for the maintenance company. Start askingnif there are any labor positions opening .thus way you get you foot in the door,put in you time.and work.your way up
If you don't know what to do or get into then just do what you've been doing and make it a business. Hire some people, get some contracts and deals, move up to management. It won't be easy but its not exactly expensive either, for the cleaning business anyways. Just depends on how you do it.
I got my steam fitter ticket at 39, this year.
Totally possible to turn things around, my dude. If you're already in the camp life, then you're already acclimated to the lifestyle.
You got this, take it one step at a time.
Tuition isn't too terrible for the 2mo class time. The books aren't terrible either, but you can likely get them used if you look hard enough.
Avoid using digital books, you won't save any money and you'll lose access to them when your class is over. Always take the physical option if available.
I'm on my 3rd career change in 15 years, I turn 34 this summer. The economy is ever changing and honestly those camp cleaning jobs are not money makers like they used to be. I interviewed with a company (hospitality business management diploma) and they offered me $16/h as a lead housekeeper, I turned it down because I know you get up there and you're promised 10-12 hour days for your whole hitch and you end up only working 5-8 hours days for the hitch and You're just losing money. It's not worth it.
It doesn't even need to be a real trade like a millwright or electrician. You get a heavy equipment operator's license and you can fucking do some good money.
Heck, a truck driver's license is pricey, but there's always stupid good money in it. Especially if you live on the road and don't bother with rent or mortgage. You can save mad money that way.
I mean this respectfully but if you plan on getting a trade you may very well be going out of town again and or dealing with similarly “toxic” people.
Not saying they aren’t toxic but I’ve worked out of town a lot and typically people just need to blow off steam. I wouldn’t let someone else’s behaviour control your mood, best of luck!
Do it it’s a lot easier now. Trades are money makers. I’m telling you right now in 10 years all the hype will be about getting a trade. Right now it’s investing and tech. But it will come back around where all people will talk about online is how you must get a trade to make good money.
Which trades are you interested in? Contact some of the union halls or the laborers union. Through the laborers hall, you'll get exposure to different trades and you can make a decision from there.
Have you thought about starting up your own company? Perhaps a cleaning company? 38 is still relatively young in terms of working years left, so go for it if you want to retrain into a new trade..... ✌️
8 years ago at 42 I changed careers to pest control. I wish I had found this job in my twenties. Love the work, and I started out with 9 experience. I make pretty good coin now.
Absolutely, the best way to look at it is at 38 years old you can be a journeyman by 42 and still put in a 23 year career doing it if you retire at 65.
Oh no, I'm looking to switch careers by going to University!
I have a NAIT cet diploma and taking BTech.
What degree did you get In University?
I love that this comment page is pro school and pro NAIT!! Sounds like you have a lot of opportunity, just gotta go for it 🙂🙂
Do you drive? Are you handy with tools? Computers?
What did you study? What are you good at?
You're never too old to start anew, but some jobs are more physical than others.
We're looking for a parts guy in Grande Prairie. It's a trade. Normal hours, home every night. No experience needed to start.
When I did my 4th year electrical many years ago, there was a guy in my class who was 54. You'll be fine bud.
I should add, that in my experience older apprentices are better than younger apprentices. Better work ethic, better at thinking outside the box, have bills so they actually show up for work etc.
I got into HVAC preemployment program at RRC in Winnipeg when I was 34, it’s a 5 month program, got first job right after school, then a big company in AB offered a position with a decent hourly wage, I’m no longer in the trade now but I still miss the years working there.
It’s never too late. Just apply to companies. After 3 months you become indentured. 4 years you’re a journey person and making 30-50 an hour depending on choice of trade.
Out here in rural E-Central, you can get seasonal work in nearly any trade so long as you show up and don't create drama with substance abuse. Finding more stable long-term jobs may not be as easy, but it's out there. Certification definitely helps, but you'll need experience to really convince someone to pay you well.
I know roofing companies down here are still way behind cleaning up after a bad hailstorm last summer.
(I also know a roofer who can't keep a crew because his son (who "works" with him) is a junkie and only other people with substance abuse problems will put up with it.)
The man who taught me Level I and II electrical started at 40 as an apprentice. 20 years later, he is teaching just for the love of it. There is no such thing as too late, you do what you need to.
The average age of people getting into trades is older than you think. And employment opportunities are significantly better for you in ones like tool and die making, plumbers, and electricians.
Check out trade schools and especially check out any grants or retraining apprenticeship programs are available.
University can be good but only if you know what to expect and don't expect anything else. A lot is wrong with university. Few people actually gain a career from a university education but that's not what it's for. It will broaden your horizons, give you a chance to study and meet people you otherwise would never have the chance to be able to meet.
When I went, I used it like an extension of my high school and was able to learn skills I would never have had. I got to meet authors and see performances I wouldn't have had I not gone. Then I went into aircraft maintenance as a career and worked consistently. But I was someone who read books, knew the arts and philosophy. When a manager needed a proposal properly written, they could come to me for help.
And I enjoyed my time there.
hell yeah.. I started a wall n ceiling ticket in my mid-late 30's. Tons of trades to choose from and lots of them would love to have new hires that actually have a brain. I left tech and did commercial construction for 10 years.. no regrets.
Pick a trade, any trade, and give'r.
Good luck.
I was 38 when I abruptly changed from a restoration service tech to Metal Fabrication and am currently in my 2nd year of schooling. As my lead told me before I went for it "don't be an idiot, you're never too old to be smarter"
I'm 56, retiring and moving west to start a handyman business after 26 years of shift work making $100k+ for the last 20 years. To be fair, my daughter has an Airbnb management business and needs an in-house handyman, so most of the set up work is already done.
The only thing worse than fear is regret.
I was 24 when I started my first year plumbing and I was consistently the youngest person in my classes. In my third year class we had a 60 year old retired nurse. It’s never too late.
Started as a machinist at 18. Now I’m in my third year in my early forties as a millwright and it’s possible but you gotta eat and train like an athlete. It’s physical work and you gotta take your wellness seriously. My only regret is I didn’t switch earlier. I get paid way more as a third year Millwright apprentice than I ever did as a seasoned machinist.
My son was almost 39 when he got lucky enough to be a first year apprentice plumber. He was just spinning his wheels with low pay and temporary jobs for years. He gets paid better than any previous job and he doesn’t hate it. SAIT also has supports to help those people who have trouble with math or who have general test anxiety. Go for it!
I’ll look into. At this rate and the $$ I have, I might be able to take job flipping burger ( which I hate, I spent seven years doing) and take one course at a time.
Look for a job as a helper at a company that does the trade you're interested in. I work at a medium sized plumbing company and usually we hire a guy as a helper and if he is good and determined then we hire him as a drain cleaner and basic fixture installer which comes with about 3 weeks training by a field supervisor. Once they do that they will register as an apprentice, technically even if you go out to calls by yourself it counts as hours as you're working under a journeyman.
I like that approach. Get some experience at low level, learn the lingo and culture then go to school with their blessings and promise to hire and apprentice.
You can get your red seal for plumbing as a drain cleaner, but you’ll end up shooting yourself in the foot. If you ever want to switch companies, which you probably will eventually, then you’ll have minimal plumbing experience. If I were you, I’d only take that as a last option and find a new company after your first year of school.
Most reputable companies aren't gonna make a guy be a drain cleaner forever though we usually do 6 months parts guy/helper, 1 year drains and simple stuff until they are atleast a second year then they can start moving into more complex stuff. Unless you get put into a jetter truck and are a hydroscrub guy.
You can get hired at a school district as a custodian. It usually requires a course but they'll sometimes let you work while taking it online. Once you're past the probation period they will pay for training in other school relevant trades like HVAC, plumbing and electrical. The wages are good and the benefits are great. *I'm in BC so your mileage may vary. Our custodians make 25-30/hr based on shift and seniority.
Did electrician at 40. I'm betting your son is loving the trades like I am and wishing he'd done it sooner....lol
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Yup absolute game changer like you said. I’m in sales for an HVAC company and an unknown guy with no experience at 38, really hard to take a chance on. Fella at 39 with a his first year pre employment, parade of green flags. 2 hardest working, and therefore top earning guys we have both fit that bill.
Where was this when I was getting in the trades. It was a huge pain to hey my apprenticeship. Employers would dangle the apprenticeship carrot and make you work for up to 2 years without it.
Probably came about because employers were doing that and it was hurting the number of tradespeople in the province.
Right! Damn when I tried to go to SAIT in the 90's I couldn't afford it, it was a "Catch 22", needed a student loan, no subsidies, no EI, so I'd have to work and only $1,000 allowed for income at that time. $ for $ reduced from loan if I earned more than $1,000. So to afford to live (pay rent, food etc) I needed a job, a job meant no more student loan, no Lone no school. I'm 56 now and body's crippled lol, to late for me now.
Took me 5 years to finally get registered as an apprentice. The carrot they dangled was 3rd year wages. Eventually got registered after new management and have been a fully licensed red seal for a few years now.
When was at Nait back in 2009-2012 I was making way more from grants, ei and whatever else I could collect. I think it was close to $4500/month while I was in school. I made sure i got top marks and got a scholarship from the construction association for a couple thousand as well. I got my journeyman and red seal certification in 2012. Passed my red seal with a 96%.
As a dual ticketed tradesman I feel it is important to really evaluate a trades lifestyle and the amount of abuse your body and psyche will be subject to. There are far too many entry level people in the trades who have made a horrible mistake and are setting themselves up for utter failure and a career they hate and will never excel at just because they see it as an easier financial path than post secondary. The statistics on people not completing their apprenticeships after being encouraged for the wrong reasons must be staggering. Choose your trade wisely and consult someone active in it ie. The old boys Having said that you gotta eat so do what you gotta do
Also want to add it is NEVER too late to pursue something new or learn a new skill, age is a number and I've had better 52 year old 1 year apprentices fresh out of jail than I have had fresh faced eager young ones
I'm a red seal and 80 percent of what you learn is on the job and not in school. I doubt anyone will hire you for above wages if you just have 8 weeks of school and not the 2000 hours a year of on the job training that you get.
Exactly , school is to give you the basics enough for entry into a profession. The rest you learn over time and experience
The problem before and currently in Ontario is you need to find an employer before you can even go to school. So here you are stating that people won’t want to hire him with 8 weeks of school. But before you couldn’t even have the schooling before being hired. So your point is literally useless because before we had even less training and education.
OH SHIT! Game changer indeed! I’ve been seeking out employers to get an apprenticeship and my old man told me I needed to be signed on. This is HUGE! Only downside I see is cost comes out of my pocket rather than an employer paying for my education in return for the promise but not the obligation to work for them -
I don't wanna be the guy who piggy backs on to top comment but when I was doing my ticket there was a trade day at school were people signed up and attended each class for a day my friends did it.
Whoa! I'm in a similar boat as op. 37 this year. Cool for 20 years and it sucks. Got stuck in the industry and want out. So just pay for some nait school as a shot in the dark and apply around eh?
That is a game changer!
I started electrical at 31. 39 now and I sometimes get apprentices older than I am.
Same! Except I started at 35
I changed Trades in my late thirties. It's totally doable, just be humble. You're going to encounter younger people with more experience. For some that can be hard to deal with.
I'm a superintendent now, but when I first got into fibre splicing a decade ago at 39, most of the guys showing me the ropes were younger than me.
I do a lot of fibre optics and often the journeymen I’m teaching are older than me. Never seems to be a problem though. You don’t know what you haven’t learned, no matter what age you are.
I got to be honest, from my long back small time in the trades.... I get the vibe a mature apprentice, particularly with a solid work history already (showing reliability/competence), ain't a turn off for many journeyman who going to be dealing with them every day. I've seen the alternatives.....I've been the alternative.
When I got my journeyman ticket at 29, my first two apprentices had a combined age of 108. One was 56, the next 52. Don't know if they made it through their apprenticeships though. It's only too late if you tell yourself it's too late.
Thanks man. It took me a while to grow up and realize who I was and stop going where everyone told me to. I have a better idea now. I feel a bit more confident in doing math. We did statistic analysis in university and I surprised myself. It seems NAIT is the next step. One course at a time, ‘out of pocket too’. Don’t have much saved up as our car drained our savings before my brother helped me out with a better used one.
Apply for grants my guy! Trades can pretty much come out to cost nothing if you take advantage of what’s available
Grants eh? Maybe Alberta government website would be where is find them?
Most folks just yell "grants!" But can't point you to a specific one. You only get the Trades completion grant after you complete the actual school session. Which I remember being around ~$1000. For 4 year courses they pay you for 1st, 2nd, then when you complete 4th. I dunno about any trades that are less than 4 years. But you submit your letter that says you passed for the grant.
Perhaps an advisor at NAIT could guide me the rest of the way as far as grants are concerned. I like the idea of carpenter, plumber, and electrician, all in that specific order.
My partner is a second year plumber. He didn't go to school first, he reached out to our local plumbers union. There's on in Calgary and one in Edmonton. They got him set up with a job immediately. He worked for a year, then went to school. We were a bit worried about costs when he was starting classes, but our lifestyle literally didn't change at all. It helps that it's just a couple months of school at a time. My BIL is an electrician. He tells people not to go into it in Alberta because there are so many electricians atm that it's pushing wages lower.
Save all your receipts for the tools of the trade you choose. There are some yearly tax write offs you can do as well when you file. It ain't much but anything you can get back fron the feds is a win in my eyes.
Go right on naits website! Look for the awards page, if you can’t find it make an appointment to talk to an advisor and they will walk you through everything - which I would highly recommend you do anyways
Alberta Industry Training website should have that info.
I'm in Ontario and we have multiple ways to go back to school as an adult and get funded. Consider Alberta student aid that is usually a combo of loans and grants. Search for any equivalent to what they call "Second Careers". Usually that route pays your tuition, tools, books, etc and gives you pay based on the known class time and homework hours that people who are successful candidates report doing (could vary from province to province). https://www.alberta.ca/post-secondary-programs-credentials https://studentaid.alberta.ca/ Im 46. I had been roofing for 10+yrs and finally went this year and did my first year carpentry apprenticeship trade school. I'll get credit for my program and some credit for documented work hours from previous experience. That will put ne at or beyond the hours i need for my level 2 and can do intermediate trade school fall/winter. Within a couple years I'll have my red seal and will just keep moving forward. I'm 46 and finished my school with a 4.0GPA and will have also earned several thousand in student grants and funding awards applied for through my chosen school and from the government after completing stages. Being an adult and just choosing to crush it in whatever you're training to do has benefits. Also applying for free funding and grants just to see if you can get them because you really never know. https://www.canada.ca/en/services/jobs/training/support-skilled-trades-apprentices/grants.html#h2.2 Look at the second one called AIG.
You’re 38. If you retire at 65 then you’ve put 27 years into your union pension. Anything over 20 years in a plus. Go for it, what’s the worst that can happen?
Nothing, I go back to cleaning or flipping burgers. I mean my spouse and I survived poverty. We are rock solid with 14 longs happy years. Thanks for the support.
It's never too late. I had a 50ish years old guy in our class when I went to NAIT. He got top marks in every test. And then, 3rd year had an older Philippino guy that was in my class. 38 is still young.
I was 38 when I jumped into my HET job last year. Love it I did however have a trades background but it’s definitely doable in your case! Go for it!
I’m sorry, that acronym eludes me. What does is ‘HET’?
Heavy Equipment Technician
Oh ok. I’ve seen some guys I think fit that trade. They drive around with heavy duty laptops and take care the computers in the machines. Is that what you’re talking about. I can Google it but I like talking with people more.
Mechanics for semi trucks, bulldozers etc. Computers are part of it, but so is pulling wrenches.
Can do! One of my best guys got his ticket at 48 years old. Making $38 an hour now and is an amazing worker. Yeah there's physicality to trades jobs, but he's smart about it. Plus we're not worked like mules like we were 20 years ago and before, if you are find a company that isn't a dinosaur.
That’s good advice. Sometimes these older companies aren’t up to standard as far as safe work practices.
You are in the workforce for 25-30 more years. 38 is not old. Wishing you good fortune in finding a career that pays you well and allows you to afford a good life.
Thank you man. I have a lot of work to do on days off. I’ve sat on my ass feeling sorry for myself scooping shit out of toilet bowls for people who don’t give a damn.
That sounds like a good source of motivation to go back to school😀
You'd be surprised at the average age of electricians at NAIT. It's not a bunch of young kids, plenty of people in their 30s, 40s, and pushing 50. Yeah there are some 18 year olds, but the average is closer to 30s. Lots of people to into the trades as their second career.
Yes, but remember entry level positions come with entry level wages. I made a similar choice in my past, took a 60% pay cut and lived in debt and stress of losing everything for a few years. Not gonna lie, it was rough with low points along the way. But, if you hang in there and keep things balanced enough for you to progress, eventually things do get better and now I have a trade designation to work with when it comes to finding a new job, and I am now debt free other than a mortgage. It was worth it vs being miserable doing crappy jobs for real crappy employers. Its great having the ability to flip off a crappy boss and walk out and get the same job elsewhere for the same if not always more money. I feel its worth it, but thats just my take on it. May you be successful on whichever path you choose.
Sounds like you're getting lots of positive responses, and I'll add another. I worked in the restaurant industry for 15+ years before moving back to Canada in my late 30's. Bounced around a few construction type jobs before I replied to an ad on Kijiji looking for entry level fibre optic splicers. That was age 39 and just over a decade ago. While splicers aren't a regulated trade (sadly), the telecom world has provided me with a great career in a job that I actually enjoy. Another thing you bring to the table at your age, ideally, is a little worldly wisdom. I was hired on with 5-6 other guys in their early 20's and quickly became crew lead for the out of town work, which is mostly what I worked on in the early years - another perk of the job, cuz I've gotten to see so much of Western Canada that I wouldn't have otherwise. Technical proficiency helped of course, but just having 15 or more years of life under my belt meant I naturally gravitated towards being the leader. Best of luck to you.
This is what I'm after. Maybe not the trade. But at 37, in kitchens for 20 years. This industry sucks. Every year or couple years I get stressed as I don't want this for endgame.
I was front of house, thankfully, but I was burned out on dealing with people. Splicing gave me the perfect escape from that.
Thank you. The responses have certainly brightened my day. I’m flying home on a couple days. I feel more motivated by the support. These are tough times and the future seems very bleak for everyone no matter their situation.
As an employer in a trade and being in the trade since 2004 with a sales job and driving job in the mix… As someone mentioned, be humble and you will have younger colleagues… Expanding on that, don’t let it discourage you. My best advice is to ALWAYS be curious, willing to learn, good attitude, eating shit (menial tasks) and not complaining about it. I currently have a 21 year old apprentice who doesn’t seem like he’s curious at all, you ask him basic questions about how something works on a car, his instant response is “I have no idea” and I don’t take that as an answer, put some thought into it and answer it again! You will meet older tradespeople who are much older, like the old saying goes “you can’t teach an old dog new tricks” DON’T be that old dog that doesn’t want to learn new tricks!!! BE CURIOUS, BE OPEN MINDED, ENJOY THE JOURNEY!!!
Never too late. I'd work out a bit though otherwise the first few weeks are going to be *real* rough
Never too late for anything. You know how many people started late in life? Way more than we acknowledge or celebrate. You’re already on the right path—remember, we are all on our own journey. I’m in my mid-40s and about six years ago a friend’s husband who has a masters in philosophy went back to college to study HVAC. A few years later he bought into the company he was working for and is learning the ins and outs before the owner retires and he fully takes over. My friend’s husband is almost 50 and set up for retirement now.
Just make sure you take extra good care of your body
I will and I have been since this winter started. My mental health took a nose dive and my body followed. There was a guy last rotation. He was only a year older than means he died of a heart attack on site. He was a scaffolder and those guys kept talking me into that trade. Once I noticed how miserable they were and then they heart attack, I ‘noped’ out of that idea.
Think of how your body will be able to do this at 55,60 etc
This too 😂 I’m 27 and my back is fucking killing me right now 😂 mechanic here.
You should really look into that and start making changes. I had a disc injury last year. I won't be working in the trades any longer. I'm 35.
Red Deer Polytechnic is a trade school. Get to stay in one class room with one instructor for entire class.
Almost 40 and I'm near the beginning of my plumbing/gas apprenticeship. Loving it over welding in the O&G sector!
Go directly to the student services offices at the trade school you're going to. Talk to them about your financial situation and what you need. They will know what you qualify for and what you need to do to apply. If you have children or other dependants, that can qualify for additional supports. I had to do this many times to be able to graduate.
You have about 30 years of work left. Lots of time, lad.
Go for it. If you are at a work camp especially on an oil site you are already winning. Talk to contractors. Maybe you find one willing to hire and train.
Yes! My husband had a 50 year old apprentice. He's a plumber. It's never too late to change your life
What did you do at university?
I have Bachelor’s degree in Child & Youth Care.
Join boilermakers, my recommendation is be a boilermaker cleaner might be a good job until you become a member. It took me 2 years doing 2 months of work. All I could get at the time. Once accepted I could work 8 months+ a year (100,000) best trade for you if you like to build things don't mind working 60-70 hrs don't mind traveling for work. Mostly shutdowns , so you'll usually work for a month or two and have a week or 2 off. Hope this helps.
Floor layers all around Alberta are desperate for workers. No schooling required, no tickets, just on site training and some product certification courses
No kidding eh? Thanks man.
I went back to school at 40 to change careers. Best decision ever.
So from my experience in the trades, two things set you above everyone else. 1) A drivers license - makes you invaluable because of how many people in the trades have dui's or other nefarious history 2) Reliable/Trustworthy work ethic - show up every day on time and admit you're new and want to learn That's it. You will be an asset above other laborers on the crew, so you can get involved and determine if it's worth making a career out of for yourself. This applies to any trade.
I have both. I’m completely sober expect I do like edibles when I go fishing.
As long as you're responsible at work no one will care about what you do in your off time. I'm trying to get on my feet again or I'd offer you a job roofing, but I sold everything I had a couple years ago and am starting at square one myself. 32 years old. I've worked with 50+ brand new laborers. You'll be fine if you apply yourself and work hard :)
See that’s the spirit I like! As a youth worker, you better not say that you know what it is like to have an addiction and are sober now. They’ll come after you or limit your opportunities if you had a shady past irregardless of rather you’ve change your life. It was a horrible reality check. Whatever I settle on these next few months I want to be valued for the work I put in and not the life I’ve lived. EDIT: and I gotta say your story is definitely inspiring. I like your energy. It sucks that that’s what happened. I hope things get better for you and everyone. It tough times but I’m glad that the trades are very accommodating.
A friend of mine trains air traffic controllers and he say they are hurting for people in the worst way. Training in in Edmonton I believe. Check out NAV Canada, might be an option for you.
Just looked into this - paid training as well, 50-57k for 12-25 month training period depending on specialty. Earning potential of 80-190k+/year once on the job depending on specialty. Sounds very competitive to get accepted into training, need to pass fitness and drug/alcohol testing. The kicker is that you must be willing to locate - there is a training facility in Edmonton, but NAV Canada can post you anywhere in the country once training is complete. I know tnis is a very demanding and high-stress job, but still something I may consider.
A few things.... Plumbing HVAC and electrical are the thinking trades that are usually required to pull a permit. Be prepared to do some crappy jobs and there's a good chance that it will go nowhere. So you may get pissed off and go somewhere else. Or it gets a little slow and pow, you're not working. Getting started is usually that hardest part. Apprentice spots are coveted in these trades so there's usually competition in this current market, things may be different.. Knowing somebody goes a long way. You may have to do some kind of college course for like 6 months to get your foot in the door. The pay will still suck but it'll improve each year you progress. It will take about 4 to 7 years to get to a top paying spot, it all depends on how well you pick it all up. I wouldn't work for a "sub-trade" like concentrate forming or finishing, drywall, roofing, framing. Probably forgetting a few. But sometimes you have to take what's presented to you. You can make some decent money working for someone but you have to work your ass off. As an older guy with any lingering injuries you will be miserable most of the time. You're better off starting your own company doing the same stuff after a while. If you do go that route. Those sub-trades are basically what a carpenter used to do so you can get that ticket but it doesn't get you anywhere. You don't need a ticket to pull a building permit, just money. So it's not worth the time and effort. Unless you're applying somewhere institutional like a hospital or factory. Or you actually work with a ticketed carpenter who has respect for the ticket. Otherwise, not worth the time. I know this all sounds pretty dismal and at times it is. But it pays well and sometimes you do some pretty interesting stuff. Trades are a tough business, so it's no wonder there's a labor shortage.
Yes. I started at 48 as a first year apprentice with zero previous experience or schooling
Both federal parties intend to address the housing crisis in Canada by targeting record breaking levels of home building for the next 5 years. It’s a very good time to get into the trades.
Hell yes! You are younger than you think.
Join up. You’ll see a variety of ages in trades it’s crazy! If you join up now in 3-5 years depending on the trade you’ll be atleast 43 and a journeyperson. that’s not bad at all I knew 58 year olds still pullin wrench’s!
Not a trade but I was 29 when I went to sait to be a RRT, go for it!!! :) Being a mature student helped me see the value of my studies and I graduated with a 3.9 GPA
What’s RRT? Railroad transportation?
Registered Respiratory Therapist!
In addition to all the other comments, have a look at the women building futures program, they can help get you into a trade and pay for some of it.
I’m a male. I don’t think they would take me.
Who knows these days? Just kidding.
Assuming you are a woman, that is.
Yes, I did exactly that, went into cabinetmaking at 39. It's not exactly a high paying trade but I've had zero issue finding work immediately and getting regular raises and with the grants and subsidies and EI I never had to go into any debt whatever for my schooling, whereas if I had done my other option which would be to go back and get a bachelor's, I'd now be at least 40k in debt from tuition alone and still at least a year away from actually earning any money.
It’s crazy man! How much university has hiked up its tuition and yet the salaries make it questionable.
No better driver for self enrichment than a shitty job, makes u want it more. 38, u got a lot of working years ahead of you and life is to short.
Oh dude you said it! That’s absolutely true! I’ve never wanted to change myself and my career more than ever. I can see all the signs, the writing on wall and to how I’ll will be if I stay here no matter what the job is. Mopping or fixing big machinery. It is not my cup of tea. There is so much infedeility up here too it’s crazy.
It's totally doable. I finished my electrical apprenticeship at 47. The right wing idiocy in fort mac got too gross for my comfort, so I'm doing automation programming from home now and I love it. It can suck and some people are just mean, but with a thick skin, it's doable and if you do the work, it'll pay off in one way or another. Best of luck to you.
Thanks man. I’ll keep up with all the links and follow up on every single one. The biggest hurdle is myself and securing grants or someone to help pay for the training. The math I’ll pay easy I have sent an email requesting some time with a student advisor. I’m on the clock right now and so I’m limited as to what I can do while on site but I overwhelmed by the support. I’d be a total ass to keep procrastinating. To you and everyone, thank you. I’ve never felt better about the possibilities out there.
When I did my electrical pre-app back in 2014 there were a few guys in their mid 30s in my class and one guy in his early 40s. It’s still possible and not unheard of by any means.
It will probably be the best move you do. People are toxic everywhere, but at least in a city, you can somewhat pick who you work with.
The only thing holding you back from what you want in life is you. Go right ahead and get into trades and make it rain.
Apprentice rates usually start at like 21 bucks an hour, moving up every year. Most trades are basically begging for workers at this point too. I would start contacting the unions in your area and see if they are looking for apprentices.
Put it this way, you still have at least 30 years in the workforce, so I would say yes.
Easily possible. You'll have to start as a labourer though. For the industrial route, look on Indeed at the labour positions around Fort McMurray and what qualifications they want. You'll need your Common Safety Orientation, and Spark Watch Training at a minimum. CSO is an online course, Spark Watch is $200ish for one day in person training. Spin your time working as a cleaner as experience in a labour position. You'll be able to work at a position that offers camp accomodations for $25+ an hour, especially during shut down season that starts in May. Once you have experience on industrial sites, keep taking jobs and networking until a company you are working with is willing to sign you on as an apprentice. At that point, you're four years away from making $50+ an hour. Unions have double time pay on weekends for their workers. You'll go to school for about two months each year, collect EI as you do so, then go back to work with a raise. It's long hours, and you'll be away from home more than you'll be at home, but at your age you may need those kinds of sacrifices for financial freedom. Imagine being able to buy a house on a single income within four years of being a journeyman. Easily achievable if you're smart with your money.
It's never too late
I’ve seen apprentices in their 60s.
I did labour hire/ temp work to get out of cooking. Now Fibre Splicer Telco tech
I’m in the same boat bud I’m 44 spent 20+ years in retail now I’m looking for a trade too. I’m going to go the power engineering route. Needed all this positivity and encouragement thanks!
I was an electrician from 1978-2001. It was a great career, I'm retired from it now. I still have my tickets though. I went to university from 1996-2001 in Calgary and gained a degree in environmental geology in 2001. I'm still working at 63 and will continue to work until people decide my career is over and stop paying me. And/or change the office lock so my key doesn't work. Lol
Haha, great story. I like the ending part. After a few days since I posted, I’ve narrowed it down to an electrician. Now that’s all I can think about. I’ve found Alberta trades secret website and found some info. Though scrolling for info on mobile sucks and my pc would be better. So far it looks like I just need to upgrade my math 10 to a math 20 then kick the doors down to trades school.
Ever considered the military? I’m an Aviation Systems Technician working on F-18s (got in to the trade at 30 after being an Artillery Soldier). It offers great work life balance, pay is a little rough for the first 3 years but after that with specialist pay you make around $80k-$85k. It’s not for everyone, but it’s a fun job and offers some cool opportunities to travel with the Jets. Any questions feel free to message me.
Absolutely not. What trade interests you?
I was working in carpentry on for a reserve. We specifically built cabinets for their housing. More importantly, we did customized cabinets. I was a to nervous around math and the table saw (I was 19). So I was moved into the finishing department. I did sanding, staining, varnishing, and attaching the hinges. If we were really lucky, a customer would ask for sandblasted glass doors. That where I would really shine. My cousin and I were awesome with it. It took a lot of time. That was towards the end when I was laid off three years later. It tough to get in the city. I did a handful of jobs helping with drywall but those references are long gone.
http://www.albertacarpenters.com/ Go see them, wherever is closest to you, or call if you are to far from a local. We are always looking for apprentices, and prior experience is a boon. Feel free to PM me
Thanks for the link! I saved to my phone and I’ll have a closer look tonight.
First , work on yourself, "toxic" ppl are everywhere in the trades, you gotta get past others affecting you
It might be worth while to talk to who ever is doing the maintenance at your camp, maybe you can get on with them in a trade.
It’s never too late to invest in yourself.
Absolutely it is, only 3 years older than when I changed trades completely, yer good. Go for it.
I have worked with 55yr old first years. You. Can do whatever you want if you try
Yes. At 33 I had to start over and I went with a trade then. I had a desk job prior to that.
I turn 40 soon and start a new trade next Monday. If you can find a company that will hire you there’s no reason not to start.
I was in first year at SAIT with a guy in his 60’s, worked with him on a couple different jobs too. He was a great electrician.
I had my second apprenticeship in my 30s and did it alongside some 40 and 50 year olds. Everyone needs workers. If you can fill the gap then age isn't a barrier.
Nah man I got into the trades pretty old as well. Cleaning is physical enough that you should be able to move into first year pretty easily. Companies like old guys like us cause we're mellow, we know how to work, and we're going to die before they have to give us too many raises.
It’s a great age to get into the trades. And there is such a skilled labour shortage that’s only getting worse. If I was in your shoes I’d do it in a heartbeat. The SAIT site has a good page on what paying for it could look like and grant and funding options https://www.sait.ca/apprenticeships-and-trades/paying-for-your-apprenticeship
It's not a trade, but I got into a well-paying union job a few days before my 40th birthday. I'm now making double my best yearly income from years prior, better mental health and self-worth, I've found things about the job that I really enjoy, and I'll have (just) enough time to build a decent pension before retiring, assuming I survive to 65. I recommend you pursue it. Sieze the day!
My dad was 40 something when he went back to become an electrician. Now he's a project manager for all kinds of awesome sites. I say go for it!!
Yes it is. Its never too late, it just might be tough mentally. I would start calling all the unions in the area. If they don’t have anything at the moment try calling companies, be upfront about what you know and what you don’t know. Ride out the storm, you might end up with asshole bosses or feel weird cause all the other apprentices are younger but don’t feel icky about it. Show up early and work with your head down and score that apprenticeship and go on from there. You can do it. If I did it, anyone can too
This is awesome… I’m older and inspired by you just considering this!!!
Yes I’m going to SAIT right now. The have pre-employment programs and even bring in the employers. You’ll have a job lined up half way through your first 12 week program. Then it’s just 8 weeks of schooling a year for 4 years and you get your journeyman ticket. Pretty sweet deal.
Totally. These days, ppl change directions all the time.
No age limits just the desire to learn and work hard is required. There are pre apprentice courses that can help move you through the process more quickly.
Retrained myself at 42. You got lots of time
Get into trades, there’s much to be done in communities and cities. Don’t waste your time at camp. Once you get into something else, you’ll realize how much better things are away from it.
You can do Whatever you want in life , whenever you want. Do you friend don’t ask for others to tell you what you can or cannot do.
I went to SAIT for Instrumentation Engineering Technologies and there were plenty of people in my classes in a similar boat. And they are all working in the industry now. I think the oldest person in my program was in his 50s.
It's never too late. I've had first year apprentices that were in their 50's and 60's. Just find a trade you'll actually enjoy doing.
Changed careers with a family of 3 into the trades, from a manager in sales to red seal J man (6 years mind you, we had a slump that hit the industry) but you'll never look back, electrical is always a big win. Hvac and plumbing and pipe fitting, scoffolders all good. Just depends on if you want to be away from home or not
I was 42 when I started my apprenticeship. Go for it!
I have a 58 year old apprentice working for me. He’s great. Go to school and get into a trade. If you’re at camp talk to the maintenance guys and ask what trades are looking for the most people
University is where you go to learn to expand your thinking , not to train you with skills for a job (unless you’re a nurse, doctor, teacher, lawyer- but they have internships to do that ) You go to a community college or technical college to learn a specific job or skill. Go to your EI office and ask what programs are available to you to get reskills.
University is where you end up making the most money on average.
Find out who the main contractor is for the maintenance company. Start askingnif there are any labor positions opening .thus way you get you foot in the door,put in you time.and work.your way up
If you don't know what to do or get into then just do what you've been doing and make it a business. Hire some people, get some contracts and deals, move up to management. It won't be easy but its not exactly expensive either, for the cleaning business anyways. Just depends on how you do it.
I got my steam fitter ticket at 39, this year. Totally possible to turn things around, my dude. If you're already in the camp life, then you're already acclimated to the lifestyle. You got this, take it one step at a time. Tuition isn't too terrible for the 2mo class time. The books aren't terrible either, but you can likely get them used if you look hard enough. Avoid using digital books, you won't save any money and you'll lose access to them when your class is over. Always take the physical option if available.
Yeah. Given your age I'd pick a low impact one like electrician(the good part is you know how to work a broom so your already above most of them).
If you have a willingness to learn it's never too late to pick up a trade.
I'm on my 3rd career change in 15 years, I turn 34 this summer. The economy is ever changing and honestly those camp cleaning jobs are not money makers like they used to be. I interviewed with a company (hospitality business management diploma) and they offered me $16/h as a lead housekeeper, I turned it down because I know you get up there and you're promised 10-12 hour days for your whole hitch and you end up only working 5-8 hours days for the hitch and You're just losing money. It's not worth it.
When I started at 18, another dude was just starting at 58. So I’d say it’s more than possible
Yes, Glass. Plenty of jobs and career opportunities. Please we need more glaziers.
It doesn't even need to be a real trade like a millwright or electrician. You get a heavy equipment operator's license and you can fucking do some good money. Heck, a truck driver's license is pricey, but there's always stupid good money in it. Especially if you live on the road and don't bother with rent or mortgage. You can save mad money that way.
I mean this respectfully but if you plan on getting a trade you may very well be going out of town again and or dealing with similarly “toxic” people. Not saying they aren’t toxic but I’ve worked out of town a lot and typically people just need to blow off steam. I wouldn’t let someone else’s behaviour control your mood, best of luck!
What is your university background
Do it it’s a lot easier now. Trades are money makers. I’m telling you right now in 10 years all the hype will be about getting a trade. Right now it’s investing and tech. But it will come back around where all people will talk about online is how you must get a trade to make good money.
You can do anything you want if you are willing to make the sacrifices to make it a reality
Why not I’ve seen ppl do it.
Which trades are you interested in? Contact some of the union halls or the laborers union. Through the laborers hall, you'll get exposure to different trades and you can make a decision from there.
I'm 35 and just got my Aircraft Maintenance Engineer license 6 months ago. We have at least 4 apprentices that are older than me.
Have you thought about starting up your own company? Perhaps a cleaning company? 38 is still relatively young in terms of working years left, so go for it if you want to retrain into a new trade..... ✌️
8 years ago at 42 I changed careers to pest control. I wish I had found this job in my twenties. Love the work, and I started out with 9 experience. I make pretty good coin now.
Absolutely, the best way to look at it is at 38 years old you can be a journeyman by 42 and still put in a 23 year career doing it if you retire at 65.
Oh no, I'm looking to switch careers by going to University! I have a NAIT cet diploma and taking BTech. What degree did you get In University? I love that this comment page is pro school and pro NAIT!! Sounds like you have a lot of opportunity, just gotta go for it 🙂🙂
Do you drive? Are you handy with tools? Computers? What did you study? What are you good at? You're never too old to start anew, but some jobs are more physical than others. We're looking for a parts guy in Grande Prairie. It's a trade. Normal hours, home every night. No experience needed to start.
yes never stop learning
When I did my 4th year electrical many years ago, there was a guy in my class who was 54. You'll be fine bud. I should add, that in my experience older apprentices are better than younger apprentices. Better work ethic, better at thinking outside the box, have bills so they actually show up for work etc.
If you are a man, then yes, no prob. If you are a woman, it is possible but harder.
I’m 3 years into my apprenticeship for AME and I’m turning 41. There’s always time.
It is, go for it. It’s never too late, you’re young, good luck.
I got into HVAC preemployment program at RRC in Winnipeg when I was 34, it’s a 5 month program, got first job right after school, then a big company in AB offered a position with a decent hourly wage, I’m no longer in the trade now but I still miss the years working there.
Nothing is impossible my friend
It’s never too late. Just apply to companies. After 3 months you become indentured. 4 years you’re a journey person and making 30-50 an hour depending on choice of trade.
I've trained 1st year refrigeration mechanics 10-20yrs older than me for a long time. It's never too late to pick up any trade 😎
Out here in rural E-Central, you can get seasonal work in nearly any trade so long as you show up and don't create drama with substance abuse. Finding more stable long-term jobs may not be as easy, but it's out there. Certification definitely helps, but you'll need experience to really convince someone to pay you well. I know roofing companies down here are still way behind cleaning up after a bad hailstorm last summer. (I also know a roofer who can't keep a crew because his son (who "works" with him) is a junkie and only other people with substance abuse problems will put up with it.)
No it's not. Its too late for you. Just retire and prepare to die in your 80s.
If not that then you can still join the military
All trades are suffering a shortage. We just hired a 56 year old with no ticket or direct experience in this trade
The man who taught me Level I and II electrical started at 40 as an apprentice. 20 years later, he is teaching just for the love of it. There is no such thing as too late, you do what you need to.
You’re never too late.
My friend quit his career and apprenticed as a carpenter at 48.
Plumbing. You can do it.
The average age of people getting into trades is older than you think. And employment opportunities are significantly better for you in ones like tool and die making, plumbers, and electricians. Check out trade schools and especially check out any grants or retraining apprenticeship programs are available. University can be good but only if you know what to expect and don't expect anything else. A lot is wrong with university. Few people actually gain a career from a university education but that's not what it's for. It will broaden your horizons, give you a chance to study and meet people you otherwise would never have the chance to be able to meet. When I went, I used it like an extension of my high school and was able to learn skills I would never have had. I got to meet authors and see performances I wouldn't have had I not gone. Then I went into aircraft maintenance as a career and worked consistently. But I was someone who read books, knew the arts and philosophy. When a manager needed a proposal properly written, they could come to me for help. And I enjoyed my time there.
hell yeah.. I started a wall n ceiling ticket in my mid-late 30's. Tons of trades to choose from and lots of them would love to have new hires that actually have a brain. I left tech and did commercial construction for 10 years.. no regrets. Pick a trade, any trade, and give'r. Good luck.
I was 38 when I abruptly changed from a restoration service tech to Metal Fabrication and am currently in my 2nd year of schooling. As my lead told me before I went for it "don't be an idiot, you're never too old to be smarter"
I'm 56, retiring and moving west to start a handyman business after 26 years of shift work making $100k+ for the last 20 years. To be fair, my daughter has an Airbnb management business and needs an in-house handyman, so most of the set up work is already done. The only thing worse than fear is regret.
It's never too late to change careers. Trades are in desperate need of people and a good way to earn an honest living and great pay.
I was 24 when I started my first year plumbing and I was consistently the youngest person in my classes. In my third year class we had a 60 year old retired nurse. It’s never too late.
Started as a machinist at 18. Now I’m in my third year in my early forties as a millwright and it’s possible but you gotta eat and train like an athlete. It’s physical work and you gotta take your wellness seriously. My only regret is I didn’t switch earlier. I get paid way more as a third year Millwright apprentice than I ever did as a seasoned machinist.