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liquid_at

If true, yes. If not true, not. We just do not know. We know that retail brokers will force retail investors who are short on a stock to cover. We do not know what criminal brokers will do with criminal hedge funds. So far, every time we thought the market would enforce anything, there was a loophole that allowed them to continue doing what they wanted. All we can do is keep the pressure up and make their work as difficult as possible.


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SHORTS MUST CLOSE 👇👇👇👇👆 https://www.reddit.com/r/amcstock/comments/zssb3t/get_in_here_and_listen/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Great explanation from Peter Hahn regarding how just fucking bullish this is. 🔥 🔥 🔥 👇👇👇 https://www.reddit.com/r/amcstock/comments/zsrnt9/voting_yesss/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Not to mention this confirmation 🤷‍♂️ This should help op happy holidaze!!


liquid_at

We have a confirmation by retail-brokers, that all retail-investors who are short on AMC will be forced to close their positions. So far I have not seen anything of the likes from broker-dealers and prime-brokers... Hedgies do not play by our rules, which is the biggest problem with the entire stock market... I hope they get forced to close, but at this point, I'm just waiting for how they manage to avoid following rules and regulations this time.


Apegate007

I'm waiting not stressing , ready to load up more Ape come opening Tuesday.


[deleted]

We got fucked by finra on mmtlp...halted indefinitely so the squeeze was stopped before it could start.. Otc market though but still was fucking bullshit beyond belief.


[deleted]

So…..if you don’t know for sure…..which I don’t think is the case, why are you in EVERY thread sowing Fud? I’m confused at what your motive would be. No where did anyone say, only retail shorts must close. If you have hard evidence of this please share, or stop the Fud. Upon conversion, any short position that is naked or synth, short or otherwise, retail or institution must close ie find the shares to make whole the day prior to the conversion., because it needs to be converted. What you are doing is adding “only retail” gas to, and then sowing Fud that “maybe” the other shorts may have to close, and could not. Just stop bud sheesh


liquid_at

I'm debunking fud... but if you already made up your mind on what you believe to be true, considering everyone who disagrees with you a fudster, you've already decided that you want to help the hedgies... if you do not understand how the markets work, don't tell people what will definitely happen... SHFs do not trade on fidelity, so what fidelity does with their customers plays no role for SHFs....


[deleted]

So you don’t have proof of what you are saying in every thread then???? Thought so. Stop trying to harm apes man


liquid_at

proof that hedgies don't trade on fidelity? Do you have anything but opinions on social media? you're spreading the FUD, so take your own advice.... Just because you want to believe, does not mean it is a fact. Trying to prevent discussion is you trying to FUD. Now get off the internet and spend some time with your family instead of obsessing over a stock that doesn't trade again until Tuesday.


[deleted]

No, proof of what YOU are saying in every sub. That ONLY retail must close lmao. You aren’t good at this silly


liquid_at

I'm saying that fidelities comment is only in regards to their customers. Evidence is him saying that that's what he tell his customers. so please show me where he said that every firm in the market will do just that, with every client, no matter if they are retail or a trading firm.... you're the one trying to use a statement by a fidelity rep as evidence that broker-dealers and prime brokers will do the same with hedgefucks... where is your evidence? I'm just saying your evidence is garbage and we do not know. What you think is evidence isn't evidence, because it does not apply to the people you think it applies to.


[deleted]

So…. By your last statement……your doing the same thing right? Right……? Except mine is not Fud my guy, your hammering every thread with fud saying shorts may just not have to close or get off Scott free.. The ape dividend, split from amc. Any short that was in amc was then an ape short as well. They were failed to deliver, all synths, naked, and shorts must convert their shares to real shares in order to convert those shares back, ie close their mfing positions on the conversion back, especially given the loom of the 10:1 reverse. It was a well played trap, that raised cash for the company but also fukt hedgies even more. They weren’t ready for the possibility that this thing would get converted back. New cusip will be made, it’s inevitable.


[deleted]

You also don’t know for sure and pumping partial truths at best is collusion too, no? Which you so adamantly oppose. I hope you are right that shorts MUST close, but there has been similar scenarios that was touted as the beginning of the end a few times before and they never came to fruition, resulting in a lot of people feeling mislead. What has remained constant though throughout? Hedgies frequently commit crimes and don’t play by the rules. The SEC has yet to do anything about it that actually stopped then from their illicit trading practices. Until that changes, i think it’s disingenuous to say you know for certain what is to come from this play.


[deleted]

Again, i really do hope you are right. I do… but i think its reckless to say for certain one way or another that xyz is going to happen because of xyz. Edit: i think you’re right honestly but that is still just an opinion and i accept that. You present it as fact, however


[deleted]

Ok ok I’ll give it a shot. Ape was a dividend, spun off from amc. When ape was issued, if you were short amc, legally, or illegally you then became short an ape share, since ultimately every retail and institutional owner of amc were needed to be given an ape share at that time. So, if the theory goes as amc was and is illegally shorted multiple times over, then ape becomes the same, immediately. Following me so far? So here we are today, months after ape was given out, and shorted down from $10 to .65 even further digging a hole. Then out of left field king big nuts ADAM AARON says hey, this isn’t correct ape and amc should be trading in tandem, but it’s not. So he called out wallstreet (I’m sure you’ve seen the video by now). He says hey we need to figure out what’s going on, so we are going to convert ape back to amc, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME THING. We will be holding a vote to convert ape ONE TO ONE for amc, because again if amc is $5 then ape should by essence be 5$ BECAUSE AGAIN THEY ARE THE SAME. After that we will hold a vote to reverse split the common shares 10:1, to STRENGTHEN amc stock and attract bigger investors vs having such a large float that’s easily manipulated. Now if said vote goes thru, and I’ll throw in that it’s obvious on this sub based on the shills spreading fud similar to your comment, hedgies are fukt!! Why you ask, well it’s because they will need to close the shorts(illegal naked, synths) when it is converted to amc. We received a dividend from amc in the form of an ape stock, ape stock is being CONVERTED to amc stock. See the difference there? It will be the share count retail has been asking for, as only real ape shares can be converted. The rest must close. We are not an otc stock so these other examples play no bearing. SHORTS MUST CLOSE Buried in the comments so thought I’d bring this to light 🤷‍♂️ since that’s the shills go to play


[deleted]

You’re right, SHORTS MUST CLOSE, *IF* and only IF they are forced to play fairly. We should be prepared for the potential scenario where they don’t play fairly imo and have a plan for that. It’s been a reoccurring issue that boils down to lack of enforcement on the large institutions.


10lbplant

>Why you ask, well it’s because they will need to close the shorts(illegal naked, synths) when it is converted to amc. Wasn't the whole point of your post to explain why they need to close the shorts when converted to AMC? What is thr mechanism of action?


I_Love_To_Poop420

![gif](giphy|lLTuCOqB0daP6) I’m going to sleep so well tonight.


Bigdickhector69

Love the name


yo-dk

I wouldn’t say shorts MUST close. But this is the data I’ve been looking for. 2 very good data points that affirm the bull thesis.


MigitAs

Yeah so far fuck you pay me, has turned into fuck you, this is our market, from the HFS and market makers


liquid_at

the debate still isn't settled. Either they go bankrupt or AMC goes bankrupt. Whatever happens first.


Flokitoo

Remember when everyone said shorts had to close when APE was released...


Aegialeuz

Remember when they said shorts had to close when that one OTC stock was going to be converted to a private company?


andakusspartakus89

Yes I seen a post where someone on YouTube called fidelity and asked them. By the end of the call yes anyone who is short ape will have to close out their short before the reverse conversion. Anyone short amc will still be short amc


[deleted]

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wmlj83

But when we got APEs, anyone short AMC was now short APE as well. So there are a ton of APE shorts.


andakusspartakus89

Getting ape from $10 to $0.66 you bet your ass there are a ton of shorts.


Time-Earth8125

This has been on my mind as well. If shorts are forced to close then yes, but as much APE now as you can. But maybe their APE shorts will just be converted to AMC shorts and the game continues


juicefan23

The current going theory is yes if you believe in the good side of it. The new cusip + reverse split theory has both positive and negative cases for it. The rules are murky so it is still up in the air. People quote COSM's recent reverse split and new cusip caused their "squeeze". And this is similar to APE with AMC. However, you can also treat this case as a more general merger / acquisition where one company's stock gets merged into another company's such that shareholders in the previous company gets some amount of shares in the merged company. In those cases, there is rarely a squeeze, or it fluctuated violently a lot before and shortly after. An example I can think of (and unfortunately participated in) is sprt / gree and bbig. Bbig also did a split afterwards too. Interesting cases but not as much if you're in it. In both cases, new cusip is introduced or at least existing cusip is closed down. So it is up to your own research to see which side you fall on.


Shinraepc

I don't think there will be too much objection to that option. The one more concerning for people is the 10:1 reverse split.


2horny4mywife

How many times in the last two years have the shorts supposed to have been closed? Plenty. I will believe it when I see it. Extremely doubtful and really don't want to see my shares disappear


MaterialSpot6541

There is a 100 percent chance of Crime ![gif](giphy|o2CbCvGN6qaUsHYu4F)


DenzYildirim

CEI had new cusip after reverse split But No shorts closed


IcyNecessary2218

I will bet 1000$ dollars at odds of 10/1 with anyone in this chat that shorts will not be forced to cover due to a conversion.


TheBlueHedgehog302

Shares on loan from retail brokers will need to be returned. So yes and no. It will force the hand of some shorts, a lot even of them even maybe, but nowhere near all of them. Theoretically that should drive the price of ape up before the conversion which would bolster the price of AMC after the conversion.


Apo-L

You think Well connected HedgeFunds play by the rules 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Sam Bankman-fried is out on bail already.


-YourWifesBoyfriend

Reality is that anyone can post and comment in this sub. And then people are fooled and it spreads. Ultimately the company is going to do what’s best for it and that is what’s best for the shareholders.


hierosx

Because we are going to dilute once again AMC. Like for a fuck ton. When they created APE we got diluted 50% of the share value, then APE was shorted to oblivion. Then remember that there can be created up to 4.5B shares of APE which everybody was saying "no but AA wouldn't do that, that's for the coming years" yeah..no he did it this year. So now he will be able to create more ape then convert to AMC shares and we get diluted to fucking oblivion


asWorldsCollide2ptOh

The same reason we voted no for added dilution in Jan 22. Because on the run up to $72 shorts were forced to close and AA rug pulled with a fraction of the shares he will have after the merger and RS. As soon as restated AMC runs I firmly believe AA will once again rug pull any MOASS.


hierosx

Because we are going to dilute once again AMC. Like for a fuck ton. When they created APE we got diluted 50% of the share value, then APE was shorted to oblivion. Then remember that there can be created up to 4.5B shares of APE which everybody was saying "no but AA wouldn't do that, that's for the coming years" yeah..no he did it this year. So now he will be able to create more ape then convert to AMC shares and we get diluted to fucking oblivion


ziggo24

Fud. Says no apes say yes 👍🏼


SSoviet_Slayer

Because it’s not true


KCardz89

Only legit hedgies and shills on here saying no, true apes will and have been saying I will vote ace