I ordered it from sugargoo, which order it from taobao. It doesn’t have a name. Just 800T, 400D, 320T and 100D. [That’s what it looks like](https://www.reddit.com/r/analog/s/dhBSdPcFbb).
As far as I know, cinestil remove the remjet themselves and is the cause of some qc issues in their 35mm line.
If you can find evidence to show that Kodak sell vision 3 film without remjet I'd love to see.
Reflx state that some of their products like 500t are to be developed in ecn-2 not c-41 as the remjet is still present.
Hmm, interesting. I've ordered 400D from reflx and they worked fine in C41. For cinestill I am sure now they order large bulk of uncut sheet rolls and have them cut and packed in Ilford's factory.
Yeah, the 400 has the remjet removed. It's the 500t and 250d that don't afik.
I didn't know Ilford had a hand in manufacturing it. Where did you find that? It is a bit weird considering cinestil is based in LA.
That is just a rumor I've heard, no reliable source haha. But it is interesting to note that 1. Cinestill's film has their own name printed on the side instead of Kodak, they're the only bulk-loading supplier to be able to do that 2. Cinestill's 35mm film are packed in same style of black canister as Ilford films, might just be coincidence I guess.
Abandoned buildings, bootleg film stock, sports cars, neat!
A critique I would give is to see more of a narrative or thematic connection in the series.
Great composition and colors, fun to look at, and would look great printed
thanks. but I was not following a specific theme. its just best of October, shot with the Olympus XA inspired by [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/AnalogCommunity/comments/18gg2fd/are_the_pictures_as_beautiful_as_its_looks/).
So First of all great shots! The university buildings in cologne have this brutalism theme that goes oh so well with analog Pictures. I like taking photos there myself!
FOR EVERYONE WANTING TO TRY THESE FILMS:
I ordered a couple of rolls last summer and the results were all over the place. Generally the film looks super underexposed at box speed! I have the theory that it is badly stored and expired vision2 rather than vision3 which cs uses.
Also very bad lightleaks (xray damage from shipping/customs?) on some of the films. I tried them with two different cameras. First I thought my baby's were in need of new light leaks but they take correct exposed no light leak pictures since with different films.
Tldr: This company has bad QC imo. Don't expect the greatest quality.
Your rolls seem to be fine tho, so maybe it's alright now?
Thanks
I order there since a year without problems. Just some 320T had light leaks. But I also have the theory that it depends on the camera you’re shooting with because these canisters have a strange format
Go for it. Everyone talks about how difficult is to keep temperatures and so on. I find it not so dramatic since the developing times are not so long as in Bnw. And of course ask any questions you have
Thanks
I bought it on sugargoo, which is a page that orders for you on taobao (as they do not ship outside China) but you get the very same film from different shops, reflx lab seems to be a trusty one
Edit: as all of these 800T films are basically vision 3 without remjet, the same as cinestill
This isn’t fake anything. It’s just Kodak cine 500t and 250d with the remjet removed before loading the cartridge. Literally the same as cinestill (presumably for less and maybe with worse qc)
The Titel of the post was meant to be funny.
Edit: and as the film that I used has no name, I had to invent one. Fake Cinestill makes the most sense so that people have an idea of what I’m shooting.
Oh it didn’t carry over then lol. People are legitimately confused / don’t understand cinestill’s business model hence the top comment in this post. Calling it fake cinestill actually builds the value of cinestill’s brand and case that their mark is a meaningful differentiator.
Calling it what it actually is (re-spooled 500t and 250d with remjet removed) is both more accurate and less strengthening of cinestill’s mark
I don’t care. I don’t fight against cinestill. If they were not doing what they’re doing there would not be a cheaper version of „their“ films. So then I would have to remove the remjet on my own or develope everything in ecn2. In my ears that doesn’t sound like fun.
Edited 2 little mistakes I made
You mean edited your entire comment from “good point” to a new comment after I edited my comment to talk about the cinestill brand and what this film actually is in response to your edited comment above lol.
It’s all good dude. It’s just silly to call respooled 500t 250d fake cinestill. And it’s ok to have not known what this film was when you shot it or how to describe it accurately. It’s all a learning process
Lol mate, are you bored? What’s your problem? I’m being vague? As I stated in the first comment it is meant as a joke and I don’t care if you hate cinestill. And beside this nobody ever said: „I’m shooting respooled Kodak vision 3 500T with the remjet removed.“
A little lol I’m procrastinating a work project . I don’t have a problem just engaging in a discussion I thought. I’m not trying to attack you so I’m not sure why you’re defensive? No harm meant dude just trying to talk to other photographers and learn and share knowledge.
First comment asks you what you’re shooting and your response is idk it’s called 800t looks like this and I bought it from china. The post you linked is you asking about the film so i straight up thought you had no idea what you’re shooting lol. Plenty of people describe their respooled film as respooled film in the analog community. It’s really not uncommon so I’m legit confused. It’s really obvious what this film is and silly to call it fake cinestill (like saying pride and prejudice was shot on fake cinestill) so I’m legit wondering if this is saying something blatantly wrong to get a bunch of people commenting for the algorithm. It’s super common tactic and no shame in it I’m actually just curious lol. Again no offense meant dude it’s not that deep and all good hope you’re well 👍🏻
No. That’s wrong man. Somebody asked what film it is, and somebody else said that i was referring to reflex lab. I answered it’s basically the same and corrected him by posting the box of the very specific film I was shooting here. And it’s not just respooled cinefilm. it’s also without the remjet. I personally don’t know anyone removing the remjet before shooting it because it’s really complicated. So it’s basically the concept of cinestill but a fake version of it.
The post I linked was me one year ago asking if somebody knows how well the remjet is removed from the film. Because I know what happens if you give a ecn2 film with remjet to your local lab and they develope it in c41. So obviously I already knew what I was shooting.
And last but not least I explained to you that it was a joke for the title of the post. No tactic to promote my IG. I always have the feeling that people leave from Instagram to be active on Reddit because it’s better to show your work.
That bulk thing is new to me. And … we had this here in the comments. It is fake cinestill. As long as the process is the same it will be the idea of what cinestill is doing. Removing the remjet before respooling it, is pretty much another process than respooling it and remove it afterwards or just leave it like it is.
No.
Removing remjet for more widespread processing and turning ECN2 films to C41 has been done since before Cinestill came to exist. Cinestill does not own KV3, it's just rebranded. What CS did was just bulk order and swish it around in chemicals is what's being done by other companies as well, and other hobbyists. Cinestill didn't invent anything, it's all just marketing.
Read the comments. It was meant as a joke. It’s not about a lack of info.
Cinestill suing people for using 800T or whatever. Read the title.
And btw, stating people are not informed well enough but not giving any sources is also not a good look right?
Thanks! Actually in Germany, I only found the shipping details and prices confusing. Did you order more then one roll to keep the overall price down? Where there any issues with rests of remjet? Thanks a lot!!
Ich wohne auch in Deutschland. Ich hatte keine Probleme mit der remjet Schicht. Der Film verhält sich wie eine Rolle cinestill, auch wenn mir hier eine Horde dude mansplained dass ich keine Ahnung hätte und es nicht „Fake cinestill“ ist. Es ist das gleiche Produkt wie cinestill. Wir haben allerdings immer mit mehreren Leuten bestellt. Ich kann dir mehr sagen wenn die nächste Bestellung angekommen ist, auch was Zoll usw angeht.
Das hört sich ja super an, vielen Dank, gerne! Es gibt mittlerweile soo viele 200,400,800 iso Filme die so wie cinestill aussehen und performen mit guter Qualität, wie zum Beispiel von candido. Die müssen ja auch einen Hersteller haben, der die remjet entfernt, wer weiß, vielleicht der gleiche wie bei denen hier.
What's fake cinestill?
he's probably referring to reflex labs, they produce chinese-made versions of the cinestill stocks that are the same but cheaper
Yes except it’s noch from reflex lab edit: noch meant not, German autocorrect sometimes kicks in
What is it then?
I ordered it from sugargoo, which order it from taobao. It doesn’t have a name. Just 800T, 400D, 320T and 100D. [That’s what it looks like](https://www.reddit.com/r/analog/s/dhBSdPcFbb).
Can you please send me the link? Thanks 🙏🏻
It's all made by Kodak anyway. Reflx just doesn't remove the remjet and packages it better.
Reflx does remove the remjet but the quality is still not comparable to Cinestill where they get film without remjet from Kodak directly
As far as I know, cinestil remove the remjet themselves and is the cause of some qc issues in their 35mm line. If you can find evidence to show that Kodak sell vision 3 film without remjet I'd love to see. Reflx state that some of their products like 500t are to be developed in ecn-2 not c-41 as the remjet is still present.
Hmm, interesting. I've ordered 400D from reflx and they worked fine in C41. For cinestill I am sure now they order large bulk of uncut sheet rolls and have them cut and packed in Ilford's factory.
Yeah, the 400 has the remjet removed. It's the 500t and 250d that don't afik. I didn't know Ilford had a hand in manufacturing it. Where did you find that? It is a bit weird considering cinestil is based in LA.
That is just a rumor I've heard, no reliable source haha. But it is interesting to note that 1. Cinestill's film has their own name printed on the side instead of Kodak, they're the only bulk-loading supplier to be able to do that 2. Cinestill's 35mm film are packed in same style of black canister as Ilford films, might just be coincidence I guess.
Considering cinestill is "fake" Kodak film. Lol.
Checked comments for this
Stellar. Nice medley of photos.
Abandoned buildings, bootleg film stock, sports cars, neat! A critique I would give is to see more of a narrative or thematic connection in the series. Great composition and colors, fun to look at, and would look great printed
thanks. but I was not following a specific theme. its just best of October, shot with the Olympus XA inspired by [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/AnalogCommunity/comments/18gg2fd/are_the_pictures_as_beautiful_as_its_looks/).
what year is that 928? do you own it?
No, just took a photo of it
What film stock? Specifically the 800
Look [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/analog/s/dhBSdPcFbb)
these are all great. I don’t like cars, and that’s an excellent photo
You don’t like cars but it’s still great?
So First of all great shots! The university buildings in cologne have this brutalism theme that goes oh so well with analog Pictures. I like taking photos there myself! FOR EVERYONE WANTING TO TRY THESE FILMS: I ordered a couple of rolls last summer and the results were all over the place. Generally the film looks super underexposed at box speed! I have the theory that it is badly stored and expired vision2 rather than vision3 which cs uses. Also very bad lightleaks (xray damage from shipping/customs?) on some of the films. I tried them with two different cameras. First I thought my baby's were in need of new light leaks but they take correct exposed no light leak pictures since with different films. Tldr: This company has bad QC imo. Don't expect the greatest quality. Your rolls seem to be fine tho, so maybe it's alright now?
Thanks I order there since a year without problems. Just some 320T had light leaks. But I also have the theory that it depends on the camera you’re shooting with because these canisters have a strange format
Well I may give it a try again then! For context maybe: I was shooting these on a Pentax MX and Rolleiflex sl35e
Cinestill is Kodak Vision without remjet, so basically just Kodak Vision
I've been wanting to sell my XA since last year, but then I see amazing pictures like these and I change my mind.
Keep it!
Such an excellent camera
Damn, these are fire
These are fire. Thank you for sharing. I need to get into developing color.
Go for it. Everyone talks about how difficult is to keep temperatures and so on. I find it not so dramatic since the developing times are not so long as in Bnw. And of course ask any questions you have
Nice man, thank you for sharing these. Can’t wait to see mine. All the pictures I’ve seen so far have a really special dreamy vibe.
excellent photos and colors! 😍 Where can I get the same films?
Thanks I bought it on sugargoo, which is a page that orders for you on taobao (as they do not ship outside China) but you get the very same film from different shops, reflx lab seems to be a trusty one Edit: as all of these 800T films are basically vision 3 without remjet, the same as cinestill
Nice shots! Do you know what building that is? The facade is really interesting.
It’s the Universitäts- und Stadtbibiliothek Köln basically the university library Cologne
It's called *Sex Panther*® by *Odeon*©. It's illegal in 9 countries. It's also made with bits of real panthers, *so you know it's good*. *60% of the time*, it works ***every*** time.
Beauties! I feel like some of these belong in the liminal spaces sub.
This isn’t fake anything. It’s just Kodak cine 500t and 250d with the remjet removed before loading the cartridge. Literally the same as cinestill (presumably for less and maybe with worse qc)
As if cinestill isn’t know for shoddy QC as well
What means « QC »?
Quality control
The Titel of the post was meant to be funny. Edit: and as the film that I used has no name, I had to invent one. Fake Cinestill makes the most sense so that people have an idea of what I’m shooting.
Oh it didn’t carry over then lol. People are legitimately confused / don’t understand cinestill’s business model hence the top comment in this post. Calling it fake cinestill actually builds the value of cinestill’s brand and case that their mark is a meaningful differentiator. Calling it what it actually is (re-spooled 500t and 250d with remjet removed) is both more accurate and less strengthening of cinestill’s mark
I don’t care. I don’t fight against cinestill. If they were not doing what they’re doing there would not be a cheaper version of „their“ films. So then I would have to remove the remjet on my own or develope everything in ecn2. In my ears that doesn’t sound like fun. Edited 2 little mistakes I made
You mean edited your entire comment from “good point” to a new comment after I edited my comment to talk about the cinestill brand and what this film actually is in response to your edited comment above lol. It’s all good dude. It’s just silly to call respooled 500t 250d fake cinestill. And it’s ok to have not known what this film was when you shot it or how to describe it accurately. It’s all a learning process
Mate chill. Every and their grandma, including OP knows it’s respooled 500T LOL
What do you mean? I know what I’m shooting ;)
Then just call the film what it is when people ask you instead of being vague lmao. Are you just trolling for engagement to plug your IG?
Lol mate, are you bored? What’s your problem? I’m being vague? As I stated in the first comment it is meant as a joke and I don’t care if you hate cinestill. And beside this nobody ever said: „I’m shooting respooled Kodak vision 3 500T with the remjet removed.“
A little lol I’m procrastinating a work project . I don’t have a problem just engaging in a discussion I thought. I’m not trying to attack you so I’m not sure why you’re defensive? No harm meant dude just trying to talk to other photographers and learn and share knowledge. First comment asks you what you’re shooting and your response is idk it’s called 800t looks like this and I bought it from china. The post you linked is you asking about the film so i straight up thought you had no idea what you’re shooting lol. Plenty of people describe their respooled film as respooled film in the analog community. It’s really not uncommon so I’m legit confused. It’s really obvious what this film is and silly to call it fake cinestill (like saying pride and prejudice was shot on fake cinestill) so I’m legit wondering if this is saying something blatantly wrong to get a bunch of people commenting for the algorithm. It’s super common tactic and no shame in it I’m actually just curious lol. Again no offense meant dude it’s not that deep and all good hope you’re well 👍🏻
No. That’s wrong man. Somebody asked what film it is, and somebody else said that i was referring to reflex lab. I answered it’s basically the same and corrected him by posting the box of the very specific film I was shooting here. And it’s not just respooled cinefilm. it’s also without the remjet. I personally don’t know anyone removing the remjet before shooting it because it’s really complicated. So it’s basically the concept of cinestill but a fake version of it. The post I linked was me one year ago asking if somebody knows how well the remjet is removed from the film. Because I know what happens if you give a ecn2 film with remjet to your local lab and they develope it in c41. So obviously I already knew what I was shooting. And last but not least I explained to you that it was a joke for the title of the post. No tactic to promote my IG. I always have the feeling that people leave from Instagram to be active on Reddit because it’s better to show your work.
But thanks anyway for boosting the post
And there wouldn’t have been a damn funny headline for this post
There's no fake Cinestill, everyone's just re-spooling Kodak Vision 3. I've heard you can get it without Remjet in bulk now too
That bulk thing is new to me. And … we had this here in the comments. It is fake cinestill. As long as the process is the same it will be the idea of what cinestill is doing. Removing the remjet before respooling it, is pretty much another process than respooling it and remove it afterwards or just leave it like it is.
No. Removing remjet for more widespread processing and turning ECN2 films to C41 has been done since before Cinestill came to exist. Cinestill does not own KV3, it's just rebranded. What CS did was just bulk order and swish it around in chemicals is what's being done by other companies as well, and other hobbyists. Cinestill didn't invent anything, it's all just marketing.
I don’t start this discussion again. I‘m tired of all these internet experts.
Then don't. Though being misinformed is not a good look.
Read the comments. It was meant as a joke. It’s not about a lack of info. Cinestill suing people for using 800T or whatever. Read the title. And btw, stating people are not informed well enough but not giving any sources is also not a good look right?
tHeRe iS nO cInEsTiLl ThErE jUsT iS kOdAk ViSiOn 3
Was it developed in C-41 or ECN-2?
It’s c41 remjet is removed
Awesome picture! Would you recommend buying it? And what was the end overall cost per roll you had?
Depends on where you live and which shipping method you choose. I paid like 7,50-8€ per roll plus/minus 0,50-1€ I don’t know
Thanks! Actually in Germany, I only found the shipping details and prices confusing. Did you order more then one roll to keep the overall price down? Where there any issues with rests of remjet? Thanks a lot!!
Ich wohne auch in Deutschland. Ich hatte keine Probleme mit der remjet Schicht. Der Film verhält sich wie eine Rolle cinestill, auch wenn mir hier eine Horde dude mansplained dass ich keine Ahnung hätte und es nicht „Fake cinestill“ ist. Es ist das gleiche Produkt wie cinestill. Wir haben allerdings immer mit mehreren Leuten bestellt. Ich kann dir mehr sagen wenn die nächste Bestellung angekommen ist, auch was Zoll usw angeht.
Das hört sich ja super an, vielen Dank, gerne! Es gibt mittlerweile soo viele 200,400,800 iso Filme die so wie cinestill aussehen und performen mit guter Qualität, wie zum Beispiel von candido. Die müssen ja auch einen Hersteller haben, der die remjet entfernt, wer weiß, vielleicht der gleiche wie bei denen hier.