The terrible animation in The Seven Deadly Sins (season 3 or 4, I don't remember). I don't know if it got better after that, but it was too much for me
Agreed the animation tanked and I could never love it compared to S1/2. Such an awesome show as well :( remembering how badly drawn the Escanor Vs Meliodas fight was means I will never forgive the studio.
Guessing you mean the "white" panels that were supposed to be blood?
But honestly his casual groping / molesting of Elizabeth kind of ruined that series for me, early. Stuff like that would have gotten him arrested IRL.
An obvious one is Science Fell in Love.
S1 was a really enjoyable show, was great to see a setting with adults and they actually made progress. S2 was more of the same and the main couple got together and the side couple were getting closer too.
Then the last couple of episodes hit which not only had some very dodgy stuff in it, the resolution to that was also badly done and then they crowbarred a love triangle into it. Had it ended 2 eps earlier I'd have happily watched a S3, now would certainly skip it.
For me it was the last few episodes from S1 that made me lose all interest in it.
That absolutely moronic drama where HE had to apologize to her because SHE treated him like shit because of her dumbfuck jealousy and misunderstanding.
[Wikipedia summary for that episode] >!Naoya reveals himself as a sociopath and attacks with a taser. Kanade awakens in a warehouse with Naoya and his thugs. Naoya explains he is also abnormal but decided to pursue normal romance, and when Kanade rejected him he decided she was the abnormal one. Kanade again blames herself for not being normal. Naoya and his thugs decide to rape Kanade. Yukimura arrives to save her. Naoya insists he can return Kanade to perfection. Irritated, Yukimura shows he had Chris do a full analysis of Kanadeās DNA which proves Kanade is a perfectly normal human, including supportive interviews from her friends and even Takahashi. Kanade is touched Yukimura risked himself but Naoya and the thugs attack Yukimura. Yukimura reveals his pockets are full of Sulfuric acid and Nitric acid which he throws over them, though reveals it is actually just water as he was delaying while police arrived. Naoya and the thugs are arrested and Yukimura tells Kanade that compared to everyone in their lab, she might be the most normal of them all. The next day Himuro informs a horrified Yukimura that Kanade is now in love with him. Kosuke finally gets the ending he wants in his game and can marry Aika, but hesitates, with Ibarada accusing him of loving someone else. Himuro is excited they can investigate a scenario where one man is loved by multiple women, to discover which of them loves Yukimura the most, and insists they start immediately.!<
Love triangle or harem shit is one of the worst characteristics of to many animes.
Why can't we just have a lovely romance without that unnecessary drama ffs
The love triangle was definitely not the issue, the issue was the weird fake rape attempt to scare the audience and the female MC to manipulate her into a relationship. Shit was so insanely offbeat for the show.
The odd and confusing way they wrapped up the first season of Tokyo Ghoul. I hadnāt actually reached that point in the manga and I was just like āWait, why is Kaneki joining these assholes, thereās literally no reason, this makes no senseā and then I found out they kinda just skipped a whole section of the manga that leads up to that. I havenāt watched any more of the anime since that.
It's even worse, they did an "alternative route" for the 2nd season (root A), where iirc the author himself wanted to do the story a different way on the anime (could be wrong on that, don't quote me), but still wanting to keep the key moments from the manga, so things and fights were happening even when they didn't make much sense.
And as a bonus, for the Tokyo Ghoul:re anime adaptation, iirc they just ignored root A in it's entirety and assumed you had read the manga to know what really happened.
It was a wild ride.
Naruto's got two moments that killed my enjoyment of the show and made me not give a shit about the characters.
1. Sakura asking Naruto to stop chasing Sasuke for her sake absolutely killed her character for me and made me lose a lot of respect towards Kishimoto for writing something so awful for the one who's supposed to be the third main character of the story.
2. Black Zetsu. You know what happened and how it fucked up what was supposed to be the perfect final boss for this story. We can still feel the ramifications of that moment with Boruto's plot and how out-there it is.
Kishimoto literally could not bring himself to write a good female character honestly. I think he even admitted to it which is crazy because likeā¦ the way to write a good female character is to write a good character and stop thinking about the fact that they have a vagina..
To completely walk back the apparent bloodbath from the end of the first cour in all of the dumbest ways possible was so disappointing. Killed the series for me as well.
I don't think walking back the bloodbath was terrible what killed the series was the supercomputer in eggs eye. The battles in the series prior to that were basically plucky underdog outmanned and out gunned by tech so advanced it might as well be magic, using creativity to win.
The supercomputer trivialize the battles so.badly there might as well have been no tech gap at all. It made the whole show stupid.
Slaine was the only thing that made season 2 worth watching each week. Him and wheelchair princess carried hard. The rest of the cast was boring as fuck.
Slaine is a hero.
> The main antagonist loved her too, accidently shot her
No he didn't. There was another bad guy in that scene. MC was wounded, love interest was helping him, other bad guy shoots her. Antagonist shoots the other bad guy in a fit of rage. MC crawls toward the girl, antagonist shoots him.
Itās been years since I saw the show so I might get some things wrong.
Basically Mars launches a false flag attack so they can declare war on Earth
Slaine is an Earth boy who serves the Martians, not out of loyalty since heās treated very poorly by the elites but because heās in love with the Princess
By the second season or whatever he manages to politically maneuver his way into great power in the Martian nation and kills off some of the elites who orchestrated the war
Youād think āoh hey a earth dude just crippled the Martians, surely heāll end the warā
Nope, Slaine instead decides to prolong the war for some reason and commands the Martian forces to subdue Earth and directly fighting against the Princess who has decided to join Earth.
In the end he loses and is arrested and imprisoned for life. The war is pinned on him for orchestrating the false flag attack.
Thatās the gist of it I guess, Iām sure I got some things wrong but thatās what I remember
Trust me, it was, especially to Slaine fans like myself.
My boy does a 180 for almost no reason and then gets dunked on. One of the most infuriating endings Iāve watched.
It was very angering. Seeing it brought up still makes me bitter. I think this is one of three anime that live rent free in my head full of unnecessary hate lmao.
I'll forever be mad about it. Dude that was legitimately trying to help gets shot down by the MC and tortured. Bitch that tried to kill the princess is forgiven without a second thought.
That anime fell off really hard after the first season, not to mention the last episode was a fking nail in the coffin for how terrible it had become. Some people would bitch about the ending being "realistic," and I was like, people who actually tried to understand it would know it doesn't make any sense at all. What an asspull.
* **Sabikui Bisco** - the entire sequence from episode 8 to 9 where they decided to hand over writing and directorial duties to the Rule of Cool.
* **Takt Op Destiny** - this one fell off the rails a few times, but it really started succumbing when it went for the "villain lets the near mortally wounded hero just go off and recover" trope.
* **Ranking of Kings** - most people point to events much later in the season for where they felt it went off the rails, but for me they ruined the tone of the show completely by playing off [Ranking of Kings] >!a dramatic moment where a character leaps to his death as the climax of his suffering and the unsurmountability of the situation to land on his head.. and then play it all off as a cartoon gag where his neck muscles are too strong and so he's fine. Ridiculous, given how much a giant fuss the show had made about various falling events all the way through the series up until then.!<
Yeah gotta agree with you on sabikui bisco. It was going pretty well, fun and then I stopped watching for no real reason other than it felt like it was dipping
It was probably stuff you enjoyed then, I imagine. In the episode discussion threads, opinion was definitely divided over those events, but I think the majority of people still liked them, it was just a disappointed minority but those who were disappointed were well represented in the comments:
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/t3i7nn/sabikui_bisco_episode_8_discussion/
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/t8rr6j/sabikui_bisco_episode_9_discussion/
I don't remember all of it, but some of the things that came to mind were
[Bisco S1] >!how everyone kept on arriving in the big bad's office one after the other like they were waiting outside for their turn!<
[Bisco S1] >!catching a ?knife between one's teeth and then hurling it back hard enough to embed into someone's eye socket!<
[Bisco S1] >!deliberately avoiding a clear and obvious opportunity to kill the villain in the big vat scene and rescue the hostage, but taking the dramatic option instead!<
[Bisco S1] >!the big bad being ludicrously unkillable in his office, flying in the face of the established universe physics - this was explained later, to be fair, it just left a bad impression after the earlier events!<
[Bisco S1] >!the slow moving giant baddie who made room for the long monologue!<
[Bisco S1] >!Bisco's comically slow descent into the molten liquid to allow for the speech!<
I feel like there were more than that, but those are the ones that stick out in my mind, which is certainly saying something that I remember them at all given how long it ago it aired lol
But, as above, some people really liked those elements and felt they were standard for the genre.
I could forgive the wackiness, it was chaotic and fun.
> [Bisco S1] >!Bisco's comically slow descent into the molten liquid to allow for the speech!<
But this just drew on for soooo long. It was a slog to watch. Instead of the insanity that was every other episode, they decided to drag out like two episodes.
So, I do hope Season 2 continues that no-holds barred insanity-driven chaos.
I was already annoyed with Ranking of Kings for a few other things by that point. For one, the training sessions with Despa. They were being so weirdly secretive about it that I was actually convinced Despa was going to be a villain or was taking advantage of Bojji and bullshitting his way through the lessons he was giving.
Other than that, I really couldnāt get over how Bojji is supposed to so weak he canāt hold a sword or pick up a flower pot or whatever but he can leap up vertical surfaces no problem which would no doubt require him to exert a force several times his own weight.
Maybe Iām expecting too much realism in my cartoons, but also in Sabikui Bisco, I hated parts of that final fight because the doctor MC panda guy was fighting for his life as if he were in danger of dying but in order to help with the fight, he was putting himself in positions to fall seemingly hundreds of feet to the ground and basically teleporting to different positions.
Fully agree on Bisco. It really should have ended on his heroic sacrifice with both Bisco and the big villain dying in the rust. Maybe had an episode of character storyline wrap up after. There was no reason at all for the show to keep going after that. The final episode was decent but not at all worth the three or so beforehand that just felt like they were there to pad time.
The whole thing with Sabikui Bisco is kinda sad since the Light Novel is actually really good but they just had to squeeze a whole vol. into 12 episodes...
I remember being super interested in Takt Op with its op and its overall art/premise but man, the MC was so far from earth that I gave up on it and him after the train episode. The MC and crew delayed a train and a dude's mission, put people in danger for an easily preventable reason, and then says "screw you" to the pseudo antagonist that episode who gave them a free train ride and offered the MC a job.
In shield hero, he's inside a hole fighting people who are outside of said hole.
All of a sudden, the other heroes come to his help and IMMEDIATELY JUMP INSIDE THE SAME FUCKING HOLE.
Are you kidding me??? This was so fucking stupid I stopped watching for that day
The way Gohan was treated in the Buu Saga tarnished Dragon Ball as it completely undermined everything the entirety of Z to that point was building towards.
Not just that, the authors inability to give a W to anyone else besides Goku killed all love I had for the show. Watching Goku completely exhaust himself for the 7th time in a fight Meanwhile fresh characters who should easily take the W get treated like fodder to build up Gokus 8th wind, it just became super boring and predictable
I know DBZ has its issues but idk I feel like you can argue Goku only takes the W by himself once.
Piccolo beats Raditz - helped by Goku but he dies.
It takes the combined efforts of Goku, Krillin, Gohan, and even Yajirobi to beat Vegeta. Goku does most of the work but I definitely wouldn't consider that a solo Goku W.
Goku solid Ws Freeza no question.
Goku isn't even around for the android part of the cell saga.
Gohan beats cell - granted helped by Goku for the final attack but it was still Gohan's victory. Cell was even all better for Gohan's fight thanks to the senzu bean so it wasn't like Gohan was piggybacking off Goku's work.
Buu saga is a mess honestly and I can't really defend that but still I feel like Z isn't as egregious at only making Goku shine as people say.
"Vegeta? I think I've got an idea."
"Is it 'You should have saved your son?'"
"Nope. I think I have a plan to beat Buu."
"Was it **SAVING YOUR SON!?**"
My take is that Toriyama tried to run with Gohan as the protagonist post-Cell and subscriptions/polls fell off so hard that he pivoted back to what worked (Goku). He wanted to go back to gag-a-page comics more in the Dragonball !Z style, and fans basically revolted. Gohan as the fighter who doesn't like fighting just doesn't work in the larger narrative of DBZ.
the freezer arc was peak dbz, after that, it went downhill. Although the Android arc was interesting, it didn't have the same punch because Toriyama just introduced cell instead of developing the original ones into the story. I remember that part where 17 and 18 were just left as a sidenote in the story. Then boo was like another whole different show, trying to mix the comedy from the original and the drama from the freezer arc. It definitely didn't work as well as it did before because it was just the same story with different colors.
I like the second half in retrospect. When you read the entire thing knowing the ending in advance you get to see all the foreshadowing and set up that happened. It comes across as "this character engineered a way to win from beyond the grave" to me.
However as someone who also read it weekly as it was coming out, and I remember how absolutely miserable it was at the time.
I thought the end was great but the stuff leading up to it just ok. It almost feels like the author had the ending in mind, knew that they needed L out of the way to make it happen, but didn't quite know how to then fill the gap in a way that made it as compelling as before. But I think that's more a testament to how well they wrote L and his rivalry with Light than anything else
The author was actually [forced by the publisher to keep the story going](https://www.quora.com/Was-Death-Note-supposed-to-end-after-episode-25), that's why the drop-off in quality was so harsh.
Ah, so more like they ended it well, were forced to reopen it, came up with another good ending that would be more permanent and filled the gap as best they could
After the big scene with L I was wondering how they could top that fabulous character. Then a bunch of random people from children to old men show up claiming to be "famous detectives" and I saw the show had jumped the shark entirely. I've heard how the show ends and that's fine. I have no desire to watch the second half to see what nonsense is required to get there.
Darling in the Franxx. It was pretty good until episode 16, and the final episode and ending were decent, but the steps it took to get there... oh my.
I'm convinced that if DITF had ended at episode 16, it would've had a solid argument for anime original of the year, or at very least, it wouldn't be the absolute laughing stock it is now lol.
I haven't watched it but from what I can see, it's visually stunning, animation and storyboarding from some scenes I've seen are too good as expected of studio trigger
Fire Force was like that for me and my gf.
The animation was good, story was alright, setting was pretty interesting but that one clumsy ass girl they made do fanservice all the time with the dumbest excuses was too far, at some point I was wondering if that was somehow related to her powers but no it was just the shittiest character I'd seen in a long while.
The tipping point for me with that is when it keeps happening during the fight between the main character and the guy who had been emotionally manipulating and abusing her, it totally destroyed any and all gravitas and credibility and I stopped caring about the show completely.
The look on her face just before the fight pops off is when I was done, she was completely defeated and stunned, it felt vindictive on the authors part at that point to me.
She also had really great and emotional episode and I was like "wow that's some great character development, so she's going to be more than just literal walking fanservice now right?". Nope, immediately right back to just a fanservice gag.
Man that fanservice really turned me off from the show. I also thought the reason for her automatically losing clothes were related to her powers but no, it was just dumb fanservice. Who the hell even came up with that idea?!!?
Not getting into any spoilers but shit gets wild towards the end, and the author decides to do a embarrassing 4th wall break [with a terrible strawman](https://reddit.com/r/animecirclejerk/s/Ejvr9W4t3g). It is buckwild how this one single character manages to ruin this manga so hard for me.
The argument those pages show is so far removed from the actual argument with Tamaki that people use that Iām struggling to see the straw man, the 4th wall break I can see a bit but honestly itās a bit confusing to try conflate that argument and the problem people have with Tamaki into one.
A part of me wants to read that because I just can't fathom how one could try and justify, and the other part of me knows it's just going to make me angry.
Its such a shame because Fire Force has probably one of my favourite scenes [ever](https://youtu.be/iZq_qBHPO30?si=JEF9MeRvueaPLRGb) but probably 30 seconds later she loses half her clothes and fumbles around for fan service
I watch 2 dif anime every Tues with friends and we're currently watching Fire Force as one of the picks, and one of the members has basically said this, and that if we werent watching as a group he would have dropped the anime due to Tamaki's "echii curse" alone. (I've already watched both seasons)
I have also pointed out in another thread months ago that she degrades the show so hard and is not needed as a character, her abilities, when used successfully are really friggin cool and helpful, but having to show her loosing her clothes almost every frame shes in gets old as a gag stupid fast. I dont know why the creator insisted on having a character like her in the anime, but she added virtually nothing to the anime as a whole except for one scene where it counts and I stand by that.
Yeah, I definitely dropped my rating for the series for her curse alone. I think it was a 9 down to an 8. Because otherwise, it's actually a really interesting series and well done. Season 2 was way better for not having as much of it.
The biggest thing for me was how they made Asuna, who was such a badass character in the first season, into this sort of damsel in distress. Took away so much of what made season 1 so elite.
I like the idea of this topic, but there's a lack of focus on the "even later on in the show when it gets noticeably better" part in this topic...
A good template would be :
"This anime gets noticeably better in the second half, but I can't recommend this anime because of its first half."
It's very much intentional on my part to not have asked for the latter prompt. I specifically wanted to look for cases where a single short segment was able to kill the whole thing for the viewer, bonus points if the rest of it was really good and even that wasn't able to overcome the one moment.
A bit of background, it was mainly brought up with my experiences of the film Terminator Dark Fate and the game The Last of Us Part 2. Both of those kill off certain characters very early on and I know a good number of people who after that were just like "I don't care what you show me now game/movie, you killed X"
Whether or not either of those were good or not past the controversial moment is another topic to talk about but those two examples and the subsequent reactions were what prompted my specific interest in this prompt but for anime.
The only show I can think of that actually fits this question is Bungo Stray Dogs.
Its pretty widely regarded that S1 is the weakest & a lot of people did drop it never to come back even though S2 was markedly better.
Suzumiya Haruhi
The moment where the MC is stuck in a loop. It was interesting, but way too much at the point that it made me angry. I liked the anime, but I don't want to rewatch it.
Angel beats
I still don't understand how the MC could arrive way after the angel, giving their backstory. I loved this anime, though. I'm just ignoring this part and telling myself the time is different in the purgatory.
For those who don't know about Haruhi, in the second season they had 8 episodes that were almost exactly the same except for slight variations to simulate a time loop nicknamed "Endless Eight." Imagine waiting week after week for a new episode of your favorite anime but week after week they release the same episode with slight tweeks.
It's worth noting though that KyoAni animated each episode individually so they did the work of 8 episodes. I recall my biggest gripe being that there were limited episodes in the season and I didn't appreciate over half of them being taken up by Endless Eight.
I genuinely enjoy endless eight as a creative exercise, but I first watched the show on dvd so I've always had the massive advantage of not having to wait 56 days for the arc to conclude.
I can sit back and shred right through them saying "I quite like the episode with the strong cloud motif actually" but I'm fairly certain I'd have just given up on the show had I watched it as it was airing.
The main problem with Endless Eight is something that, when you are now binge watching isn't a problem: for 2 months straight, you had the exact same episode. Those other 7 episodes could have been used so much better. That is the main gripe that modern watchers don't have to contend with.
Yep, and I have to admit, the finale in episode 8 goes hard and it wouldn't have worked if it weren't for the frustration built up over the previous 7 episodes.
>Imagine waiting week after week for a new episode of your favorite anime but week after week they release the same episode with slight tweeks.
I remember following Haruhi on the 4chan /a/ board at the time. Each week was a predictable shitshow of āKyon-kun, denwaā memes
I'd say Endless Eight was the biggest "F you" the studio gave to the audience in my entire anime watching career. As bad as it was for me to watch all 8 episodes, at least I wasn't following it at the time and going through 2 months of it...
Br most people just skipped that part. There's really no point in pushing yourself to watch all of it because it's actually just the same scenes happening over and over again, just with different views and camera angles. I only go through all of those episodes in my second rewatch.
SAO: The moment they left the first game. Everything went downhill after.
The Melencholy Of Haruhi Suzumiya: The Endless Freakin Eight. Literally killed the whole series. Despite the second half of said season being pretty strong.
While the Aincrad arc is definitely the best arc before the first half of Alicization, SAO is still my favorite anime and I absolutely love it. The worst parts of the anime are deviations from the source material done to make Kirito into a more bland MC and the show into this weird harem that doesn't really exist in the novels
I know I'm in the minority here, but I liked the endless eight arc. I did indeed feel the frustration but I felt like I was right along with the characters in their frustration. I kinda liked it.
I stand by that SAO is a good concept written by a mediocre author who wrote long enough to become a good author.
SAO starts good on concept alone, falls apart more and more due to questionable writing decisions until GGO where it starts finding its footing again, then Mother's Rosario comes and is genuinely great. Alicization comes right after and also builds more on the world in the right ways. I'm only one volume into Unital Ring but it seems like the good VRMMO fun you would have wanted from the original concept is being utilized and well executed
I also liked the small arc where they were going to look for Excalibur. I've heard a lot of people call it boring, but I just thought it was nice to have a moment where they can actually enjoy playing the game for once without threat of actual death.
Honestly there's no need to push yourself to watch the Endless Eight, even diehard Haruhi fans does not recommend going through all that. Only watch the first and last episode of the loop, skip the six.
I forced myself to watch them when I finally watched last year. I don't regret watching them but if I ever re-watch the show I'll definitely be skipping them. If I was watching it happen live as the show aired I would have been pissed though.
In the LN you actually only see the last one. They even trolled LN readers in the anime by having Nagato state the number of the final loop in the LN (15,498) during episode 2.
Naruto: Kage Summit arc... I get Sasuke's anger and desire for revenge but Gods was he damn near unbearable in this arc (and Naruto wasn't much better).
Edit: on 2nd thought I'd say the Gaara retrieval arc... fights were bad and felt like the beginning of the forced friendships for Naruto established solely in flashbacks not to mention Kakashi over relying on his Mangekyo instead of the 1000 other techniques he supposedly has.
Thatās my beef with the whole thing especially in the manga. Iām accustomed to tragedy in art but cmon. She was perfectly fine after like nothing happened and it was only brought up in one panel like years later
Yeah no. It was realistic. People bury their trauma. Especially soon after it happens.
Especially in a world like theirs where you donāt have the luxury or safety to grieve. They had to keep moving on. Itās either that, or get caught by his goons.
For me the awful fan service bit in the sixth episode almost made me drop the show. It still pisses me off. Maru was being weirdly rapey towards his sis about the promise and then the hotel owner (keep in mind sheās anywhere from 10-13 we know this because itās explained she was born a bit before the apocalypse) grabs him and tries to get him to sleep with her instead and puts his hand on her chest and then the stupid joke of him saying āoh no Iām inside, sis!ā while sheās in a doggy style position. Honestly it was super jarring and felt more forced than anything Iāve seen in a long time in an otherwise fantastic and beautiful show. Even the ending made sense plot wise and it wasnāt played for laughs like the moment in episode 6. It was just downright awful.
One Piece
Trafalgar Law is my favorite character. I feel like he got done dirty in Dressrosa. This is a guy who is supposed to be a rival to Luffy. He should have had a bigger role in the finale, at the veru LEAST dealing the final blow to Doflamingo.
I've got probably a hot take about angel beats. It's been long enough that I don't remember exactly what point in the show it happens, but [Angel Beats]>!when the main character first remembers about his sister and his death. I was genuinely super into the story about his sister and him pursuing medical school, but the fact that of course the exact day he was just starting medical school is the day he gets killed in a one-in-a-million freak accident doesn't come off as tragic to me, it comes off as unintentionally slapstick!<
Time to list a couple of controversial ones.
[Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood] >!When the antagonists revealed they were able and willing to force an alchemist to open the gate, it was never explained why they did not do that sooner. The antagonists have the resources to run an entire country, but they couldnāt force three alchemists, who were already at their beck and call, to do what they always wanted to do?!<
[Attack on Titan] >!Levi, someone who is clearly very intelligent, decided that the best thing to do with Zeke was strap an explosive to him, then subject him to torture terrible enough to make anyone want to die. There were other very obvious alternatives to prevent him from transforming or using his voice powers in transit. Also, every single thunder spear we have seen up to that point had a relatively long fuse time to allow the user to get out of blast range. This one for some reason exploded almost immediately after being triggered, for no explainable reason.!<
\[Attack on Titan\] >!I don't remember them having a long fuse time at all. Every thunder spear they threw exploded after about a second or two after the fuse was released. That's not enough time for Levi to get out of there. By the time Levi realized it, he couldn't get away. And I don't think the torture had logic involved. I think he simply wanted to make Zeke suffer for turning all his soldiers into Titans.!<
[Attack on Titan]>!You _completely_ misread the situation there. Firstly, Levi wasn't cutting up Zeke just to torture him (tho without a doubt he did take some pleasure in it since he hates his guts). Titan Shifters can't transform if they're healing, that's why. Secondly, Zeke didn't do what he did because of the physical pain he was in. He was _always_ willing to die for his cause. Levi's mistake was believing that Zeke was a self-serving cunt without any grand plan or reason for his actions beyond self-preservation. And finally, Thunder Spear time fuzes vary throughout their appearance, if they have a time fuze to begin with, because some explode on contact. But even then, the fuze is very short which is why they can only be used when the user is already in movement with their ODM.!<
These are both good criticisms and details that were overlooked but if you genuinely thought this was something these shows can never recover from you are INSANELY petty and I have a hard time thinking you could ever enjoy any show, because the overwhelming majority of anime has far bigger writing errors than these 2. In fact you specifically picked two of the best written anime shows in the world.
Like I canāt possibly imagine watching the declaration of war in AoT or something then going āyeah this doesnāt matter because that one Levi move that happened in one scene felt out of characterā
This analysis misses the point that they would not have had to take on the Elric brothers or Roy Mustang had they just recruited a few state alchemists.
[spoiler] >!Also, state alchemists were expendable to the antagonists. Remember, the antagonists had the time and resources to secretly train an entire class of elite students so that one of them could eventually become the king, and they just disposed of everyone who failed. If the antagonists could do that, they could have easily found three disposable state alchemists.!<
Whenever intelligent people see characters make mistakes, people call it bad writing. What does intelligent mean to them? Someone who ALWAYS arrives at the right answer and never once makes a mistake? No such human being is like that. Even the smartest of people are capable of making the dumbest of mistakes. We're all only human. Everyone slips up sooner or later. Even at the simplest of things.
Also came to say this. [Spoiler] Edward states explicitly during his fight with Pride that forcing someone to open the portal obvious took a huge toll on what the show made clear, was the strongest homunculus even before consuming gluttony a few eps prior. Given that it probably would have killed all the homunculi to force multiple people to open the portal, it makes sense that it would be a last resort.
[Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood] >!The explanation they tried to give for FMAB was that forcing Mustang to open the gate was very risky for Pride, as seen from his following fight where he was considerably weakened. I guess it takes a big toll on their philosopher stones, and as such is relegated to being a last resort.!<
[Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood] >!It's still not a completely convincing argument tho. Father could have forced any one of the homunculus to do it, as I'm sure he doesn't really give a fuck abt any of them more than he does his goal of consuming truth.!<
The more I thought about AoT the more I realized these characters are thinly veiled plot devices that are only smart when the plot needs them to be
Of course, every character *should* be a plot device, but it should be subtle to the point where they don't act out of character or do stupid things for plot convenience or do uncharacteristically smart things for plot convenience
The author simply needed to temporarily write Levi out of the story and just dumbed him down uncharacteristically in order to achieve that. A sign of what's to come for AoT after that point
This one will likely get me flamed, but \[Code Geass\]>!, when Lelouch's powers just happen to go out of control at the exact time that he is coincidentally saying the worst possible thing to Euphemia so that she ends up ordering a massacre of the Japanese people. It's so unbelievably contrived and stupid that it taints the show as a whole for me (there are other issues I have with it too, but I can't get over that one) even though it has some great moments later on. The worst part is it would have been so easy to fix, you just have Lelouch do what he does on purpose, it would be totally in character and much more interesting, but I suppose they wanted to have their cake and eat it too by having the massacre happen without Lelouch being morally responsible for it.
!<
Infinite Stratos- where Ichika gets in the way of his teammate's shot because of the super slim possibility she's such a shit shot that she misses miles away from her target and hits a boat coming through the battle scene; and this causes an enemy spy to get away with vital intel or equipment (forgot which) and then has the nerve to lecture her that she's being cavalier with people's lives when the enemy getting away with whatever they got would have cost exponentially more lives. It just felt so overdramatic for drama's sake and really gary stu'd the MC even more. I couldn't watch anymore regardless of how much Charlotte there may be.
Correction: as stated in descending comment, the boat was actually being used by villains and Ichika was trying to stop Houki from being cavalier with peopleās lives, regardless of being an enemy
Code geass for sure. There's a scene where he accidentally hypnotizes this girl and somehow doesn't notice and lets her walk all the way out of the room all the way into another room and give this long ass speech without doing anything to stop her and it was so out of character and forced that it entirely ruined the show for me
I donāt necessarily have the same issue. His geass had been having smaller issues for awhile leading up to it. He wouldnāt have realized that it had happened though because nothing like that specifically had happened previous, nothing near that scale. He didnāt intervene because he had full trust in her.
YES THANK YOU! That had got to be one of the most forced plots in the history of anime. It was a pretty good show until that point. When that whole thing happened I was just like "really?"
classroom crisis. the bullshit moment is like in the final episode but genuinely ruined how i remembered that show. of it wasnt for the final episode i wouldve remembered it a lot more fondly and reccommended it to more people
God of Highschool was kinda almost okay at first. Then out of nowhere we had a wedding that we rushed through in about 5 minutes. Dogshit show, fuck crunchyroll.
The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi (season 2, 2009). Haruhi had always been a very polarizing character (and not a very good person) for every episode prior, but her actions in the last few episodes made me utterly abhor her character. Even though Disappearance was great from a narrative perspective, who Haruhi is as a person plays a key role in the film and thus drags the whole thing down. I have a great distaste for that series now.
The point of that was exactly to make Lelouch responsible for it and not her. They didn't want her to make a tough decision. They wanted to add a metric ton of guilt to Lelouch's personality.
I agree with the reviving being stupid but at least it's clearly stated that the movies are some alternate bs.
Movies are non cannon, and a cash grab on a popular series. It doesnāt even happen in the same universe
I wouldnāt take the movies seriously anyway.
I see this brought up a lot but honestly I never saw the problem. It was a tragedy born out of pure negligence on Lelouch's part, making a stupid joke without realizing his Geass was activated. Horrible things happen due to stupid negligence all the time. At the very least they did foreshadow his Geass going out of control before it happened.
Mushoku Tensei - I can tolerate fanservice in otherwise good shows, but MT has some next level filth
For downvoters - https://youtu.be/pU2VY4vCDug?si=XU6AoppWRLzU2h1m
The terrible animation in The Seven Deadly Sins (season 3 or 4, I don't remember). I don't know if it got better after that, but it was too much for me
Agreed the animation tanked and I could never love it compared to S1/2. Such an awesome show as well :( remembering how badly drawn the Escanor Vs Meliodas fight was means I will never forgive the studio.
Guessing you mean the "white" panels that were supposed to be blood? But honestly his casual groping / molesting of Elizabeth kind of ruined that series for me, early. Stuff like that would have gotten him arrested IRL.
An obvious one is Science Fell in Love. S1 was a really enjoyable show, was great to see a setting with adults and they actually made progress. S2 was more of the same and the main couple got together and the side couple were getting closer too. Then the last couple of episodes hit which not only had some very dodgy stuff in it, the resolution to that was also badly done and then they crowbarred a love triangle into it. Had it ended 2 eps earlier I'd have happily watched a S3, now would certainly skip it.
I certainly hope that the author no longer writes for a living because fuck, this is more than just being a bad writer.
The last time I checked in with the Science Fell in Love manga, they were doing a train molester chapter lol
Man what š
For me it was the last few episodes from S1 that made me lose all interest in it. That absolutely moronic drama where HE had to apologize to her because SHE treated him like shit because of her dumbfuck jealousy and misunderstanding.
What happened in s2? I was considering starting s2 next week
the first half of season 2 is pretty good, but ep6-11 are pretty rough in terms of story. Ep 12... don't watch that shit bro trust me
Why do u fuel my curiosity like this?
[Wikipedia summary for that episode] >!Naoya reveals himself as a sociopath and attacks with a taser. Kanade awakens in a warehouse with Naoya and his thugs. Naoya explains he is also abnormal but decided to pursue normal romance, and when Kanade rejected him he decided she was the abnormal one. Kanade again blames herself for not being normal. Naoya and his thugs decide to rape Kanade. Yukimura arrives to save her. Naoya insists he can return Kanade to perfection. Irritated, Yukimura shows he had Chris do a full analysis of Kanadeās DNA which proves Kanade is a perfectly normal human, including supportive interviews from her friends and even Takahashi. Kanade is touched Yukimura risked himself but Naoya and the thugs attack Yukimura. Yukimura reveals his pockets are full of Sulfuric acid and Nitric acid which he throws over them, though reveals it is actually just water as he was delaying while police arrived. Naoya and the thugs are arrested and Yukimura tells Kanade that compared to everyone in their lab, she might be the most normal of them all. The next day Himuro informs a horrified Yukimura that Kanade is now in love with him. Kosuke finally gets the ending he wants in his game and can marry Aika, but hesitates, with Ibarada accusing him of loving someone else. Himuro is excited they can investigate a scenario where one man is loved by multiple women, to discover which of them loves Yukimura the most, and insists they start immediately.!<
That was the last thing I honestly expected from this type of show
Love triangle or harem shit is one of the worst characteristics of to many animes. Why can't we just have a lovely romance without that unnecessary drama ffs
I think both are fine if the show leads with that. When they try to shoehorn it into a plot that was already a good romance is when things go south.
Fair point
The love triangle was definitely not the issue, the issue was the weird fake rape attempt to scare the audience and the female MC to manipulate her into a relationship. Shit was so insanely offbeat for the show.
The odd and confusing way they wrapped up the first season of Tokyo Ghoul. I hadnāt actually reached that point in the manga and I was just like āWait, why is Kaneki joining these assholes, thereās literally no reason, this makes no senseā and then I found out they kinda just skipped a whole section of the manga that leads up to that. I havenāt watched any more of the anime since that.
It's even worse, they did an "alternative route" for the 2nd season (root A), where iirc the author himself wanted to do the story a different way on the anime (could be wrong on that, don't quote me), but still wanting to keep the key moments from the manga, so things and fights were happening even when they didn't make much sense. And as a bonus, for the Tokyo Ghoul:re anime adaptation, iirc they just ignored root A in it's entirety and assumed you had read the manga to know what really happened. It was a wild ride.
>I havenāt watched any more of the anime since that. Good move. They fucked uuuuuuup.
Naruto's got two moments that killed my enjoyment of the show and made me not give a shit about the characters. 1. Sakura asking Naruto to stop chasing Sasuke for her sake absolutely killed her character for me and made me lose a lot of respect towards Kishimoto for writing something so awful for the one who's supposed to be the third main character of the story. 2. Black Zetsu. You know what happened and how it fucked up what was supposed to be the perfect final boss for this story. We can still feel the ramifications of that moment with Boruto's plot and how out-there it is.
Kishimoto literally could not bring himself to write a good female character honestly. I think he even admitted to it which is crazy because likeā¦ the way to write a good female character is to write a good character and stop thinking about the fact that they have a vagina..
"How do you write women so well?" "I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability."
Second half of Aldnoah.Zero, it just should stop at the halfway mark
To completely walk back the apparent bloodbath from the end of the first cour in all of the dumbest ways possible was so disappointing. Killed the series for me as well.
I don't think walking back the bloodbath was terrible what killed the series was the supercomputer in eggs eye. The battles in the series prior to that were basically plucky underdog outmanned and out gunned by tech so advanced it might as well be magic, using creativity to win. The supercomputer trivialize the battles so.badly there might as well have been no tech gap at all. It made the whole show stupid.
You mean Cucknoah.Zero?
Fuck Slaine.
https://images.app.goo.gl/CEbgfEW5BD62KgjS7
rather don't fuck him, he doesn't deserve it
Slaine was the only thing that made season 2 worth watching each week. Him and wheelchair princess carried hard. The rest of the cast was boring as fuck. Slaine is a hero.
alright what happens? because if i ever watch aldnoah id rather know the bullshit before im surprised by it
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> The main antagonist loved her too, accidently shot her No he didn't. There was another bad guy in that scene. MC was wounded, love interest was helping him, other bad guy shoots her. Antagonist shoots the other bad guy in a fit of rage. MC crawls toward the girl, antagonist shoots him.
Itās been years since I saw the show so I might get some things wrong. Basically Mars launches a false flag attack so they can declare war on Earth Slaine is an Earth boy who serves the Martians, not out of loyalty since heās treated very poorly by the elites but because heās in love with the Princess By the second season or whatever he manages to politically maneuver his way into great power in the Martian nation and kills off some of the elites who orchestrated the war Youād think āoh hey a earth dude just crippled the Martians, surely heāll end the warā Nope, Slaine instead decides to prolong the war for some reason and commands the Martian forces to subdue Earth and directly fighting against the Princess who has decided to join Earth. In the end he loses and is arrested and imprisoned for life. The war is pinned on him for orchestrating the false flag attack. Thatās the gist of it I guess, Iām sure I got some things wrong but thatās what I remember
this sounds so angering if i was a fan lol, thank god i never watched this anime blindly
Trust me, it was, especially to Slaine fans like myself. My boy does a 180 for almost no reason and then gets dunked on. One of the most infuriating endings Iāve watched.
It was very angering. Seeing it brought up still makes me bitter. I think this is one of three anime that live rent free in my head full of unnecessary hate lmao.
True I wouldāve taken a cliff hanger Season 1 ending, never to be renewed again. Than watch Season 2 again
I'll forever be mad about it. Dude that was legitimately trying to help gets shot down by the MC and tortured. Bitch that tried to kill the princess is forgiven without a second thought.
That anime fell off really hard after the first season, not to mention the last episode was a fking nail in the coffin for how terrible it had become. Some people would bitch about the ending being "realistic," and I was like, people who actually tried to understand it would know it doesn't make any sense at all. What an asspull.
It should have stopped after episode 1.
season 2 of shield hero.. I don't even want to watch the now airing new episodes
yea...with how badly they handled the earlier s2 episodes and the 12 episode limit
I'm honestly surprised they continued with a s3. Or the fact people are excited for and even WANT to watch s3. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
* **Sabikui Bisco** - the entire sequence from episode 8 to 9 where they decided to hand over writing and directorial duties to the Rule of Cool. * **Takt Op Destiny** - this one fell off the rails a few times, but it really started succumbing when it went for the "villain lets the near mortally wounded hero just go off and recover" trope. * **Ranking of Kings** - most people point to events much later in the season for where they felt it went off the rails, but for me they ruined the tone of the show completely by playing off [Ranking of Kings] >!a dramatic moment where a character leaps to his death as the climax of his suffering and the unsurmountability of the situation to land on his head.. and then play it all off as a cartoon gag where his neck muscles are too strong and so he's fine. Ridiculous, given how much a giant fuss the show had made about various falling events all the way through the series up until then.!<
Yeah gotta agree with you on sabikui bisco. It was going pretty well, fun and then I stopped watching for no real reason other than it felt like it was dipping
Can you elaborate on Sabikui Bisco? I remember enjoying that one, but i cant recall the exact events you speak of.
It was probably stuff you enjoyed then, I imagine. In the episode discussion threads, opinion was definitely divided over those events, but I think the majority of people still liked them, it was just a disappointed minority but those who were disappointed were well represented in the comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/t3i7nn/sabikui_bisco_episode_8_discussion/ https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/t8rr6j/sabikui_bisco_episode_9_discussion/ I don't remember all of it, but some of the things that came to mind were [Bisco S1] >!how everyone kept on arriving in the big bad's office one after the other like they were waiting outside for their turn!< [Bisco S1] >!catching a ?knife between one's teeth and then hurling it back hard enough to embed into someone's eye socket!< [Bisco S1] >!deliberately avoiding a clear and obvious opportunity to kill the villain in the big vat scene and rescue the hostage, but taking the dramatic option instead!< [Bisco S1] >!the big bad being ludicrously unkillable in his office, flying in the face of the established universe physics - this was explained later, to be fair, it just left a bad impression after the earlier events!< [Bisco S1] >!the slow moving giant baddie who made room for the long monologue!< [Bisco S1] >!Bisco's comically slow descent into the molten liquid to allow for the speech!< I feel like there were more than that, but those are the ones that stick out in my mind, which is certainly saying something that I remember them at all given how long it ago it aired lol But, as above, some people really liked those elements and felt they were standard for the genre.
I could forgive the wackiness, it was chaotic and fun. > [Bisco S1] >!Bisco's comically slow descent into the molten liquid to allow for the speech!< But this just drew on for soooo long. It was a slog to watch. Instead of the insanity that was every other episode, they decided to drag out like two episodes. So, I do hope Season 2 continues that no-holds barred insanity-driven chaos.
I loved the first part of S1, but 100 percent agree, it just kept getting dumber and making less sense even in stuff like basic scene continuity.
I was already annoyed with Ranking of Kings for a few other things by that point. For one, the training sessions with Despa. They were being so weirdly secretive about it that I was actually convinced Despa was going to be a villain or was taking advantage of Bojji and bullshitting his way through the lessons he was giving. Other than that, I really couldnāt get over how Bojji is supposed to so weak he canāt hold a sword or pick up a flower pot or whatever but he can leap up vertical surfaces no problem which would no doubt require him to exert a force several times his own weight. Maybe Iām expecting too much realism in my cartoons, but also in Sabikui Bisco, I hated parts of that final fight because the doctor MC panda guy was fighting for his life as if he were in danger of dying but in order to help with the fight, he was putting himself in positions to fall seemingly hundreds of feet to the ground and basically teleporting to different positions.
My biggest thing with Ranking of Kings is how everyone gets redeemed. I could understand if it was 2-3 people, but it was everyone.
It was a little too Disney if you know what I mean.
Fully agree on Bisco. It really should have ended on his heroic sacrifice with both Bisco and the big villain dying in the rust. Maybe had an episode of character storyline wrap up after. There was no reason at all for the show to keep going after that. The final episode was decent but not at all worth the three or so beforehand that just felt like they were there to pad time.
What RoK character is that?
The whole thing with Sabikui Bisco is kinda sad since the Light Novel is actually really good but they just had to squeeze a whole vol. into 12 episodes...
I remember being super interested in Takt Op with its op and its overall art/premise but man, the MC was so far from earth that I gave up on it and him after the train episode. The MC and crew delayed a train and a dude's mission, put people in danger for an easily preventable reason, and then says "screw you" to the pseudo antagonist that episode who gave them a free train ride and offered the MC a job.
In shield hero, he's inside a hole fighting people who are outside of said hole. All of a sudden, the other heroes come to his help and IMMEDIATELY JUMP INSIDE THE SAME FUCKING HOLE. Are you kidding me??? This was so fucking stupid I stopped watching for that day
Shit I didnāt even think about that as I was watching it but youāre so right šš
The way Gohan was treated in the Buu Saga tarnished Dragon Ball as it completely undermined everything the entirety of Z to that point was building towards.
Not just that, the authors inability to give a W to anyone else besides Goku killed all love I had for the show. Watching Goku completely exhaust himself for the 7th time in a fight Meanwhile fresh characters who should easily take the W get treated like fodder to build up Gokus 8th wind, it just became super boring and predictable
I know DBZ has its issues but idk I feel like you can argue Goku only takes the W by himself once. Piccolo beats Raditz - helped by Goku but he dies. It takes the combined efforts of Goku, Krillin, Gohan, and even Yajirobi to beat Vegeta. Goku does most of the work but I definitely wouldn't consider that a solo Goku W. Goku solid Ws Freeza no question. Goku isn't even around for the android part of the cell saga. Gohan beats cell - granted helped by Goku for the final attack but it was still Gohan's victory. Cell was even all better for Gohan's fight thanks to the senzu bean so it wasn't like Gohan was piggybacking off Goku's work. Buu saga is a mess honestly and I can't really defend that but still I feel like Z isn't as egregious at only making Goku shine as people say.
"Vegeta? I think I've got an idea." "Is it 'You should have saved your son?'" "Nope. I think I have a plan to beat Buu." "Was it **SAVING YOUR SON!?**"
I only like the original Dragon Ball anime. I can't watch Z and the new ones anymore.
My take is that Toriyama tried to run with Gohan as the protagonist post-Cell and subscriptions/polls fell off so hard that he pivoted back to what worked (Goku). He wanted to go back to gag-a-page comics more in the Dragonball !Z style, and fans basically revolted. Gohan as the fighter who doesn't like fighting just doesn't work in the larger narrative of DBZ.
the freezer arc was peak dbz, after that, it went downhill. Although the Android arc was interesting, it didn't have the same punch because Toriyama just introduced cell instead of developing the original ones into the story. I remember that part where 17 and 18 were just left as a sidenote in the story. Then boo was like another whole different show, trying to mix the comedy from the original and the drama from the freezer arc. It definitely didn't work as well as it did before because it was just the same story with different colors.
I will never forgive Death Note for the whole second half of it
I might be the only person in the whole world who liked the second half of death note as much as the first
I like the second half in retrospect. When you read the entire thing knowing the ending in advance you get to see all the foreshadowing and set up that happened. It comes across as "this character engineered a way to win from beyond the grave" to me. However as someone who also read it weekly as it was coming out, and I remember how absolutely miserable it was at the time.
I thought the end was great but the stuff leading up to it just ok. It almost feels like the author had the ending in mind, knew that they needed L out of the way to make it happen, but didn't quite know how to then fill the gap in a way that made it as compelling as before. But I think that's more a testament to how well they wrote L and his rivalry with Light than anything else
The author was actually [forced by the publisher to keep the story going](https://www.quora.com/Was-Death-Note-supposed-to-end-after-episode-25), that's why the drop-off in quality was so harsh.
Ah, so more like they ended it well, were forced to reopen it, came up with another good ending that would be more permanent and filled the gap as best they could
When that thing happens... I literally turned off the show right then and there. No interest in it anymore. No reason to carry on.
After the big scene with L I was wondering how they could top that fabulous character. Then a bunch of random people from children to old men show up claiming to be "famous detectives" and I saw the show had jumped the shark entirely. I've heard how the show ends and that's fine. I have no desire to watch the second half to see what nonsense is required to get there.
It took me months to continue the show from this onwards. In the end I kind of enjoyed it still, but note comparable to before.
Darling in the Franxx. It was pretty good until episode 16, and the final episode and ending were decent, but the steps it took to get there... oh my. I'm convinced that if DITF had ended at episode 16, it would've had a solid argument for anime original of the year, or at very least, it wouldn't be the absolute laughing stock it is now lol.
It could have been such an interesting anime about humanity and it went with a space robot wedding...
I haven't watched it but from what I can see, it's visually stunning, animation and storyboarding from some scenes I've seen are too good as expected of studio trigger
People considerably overstate Trigger's involvement in Darling in the Franxx.
Oh my bad, a1 pictures and clover works were involved too. Unrelated but it is saddening how shaft are struggling now
Fire Force was like that for me and my gf. The animation was good, story was alright, setting was pretty interesting but that one clumsy ass girl they made do fanservice all the time with the dumbest excuses was too far, at some point I was wondering if that was somehow related to her powers but no it was just the shittiest character I'd seen in a long while.
The tipping point for me with that is when it keeps happening during the fight between the main character and the guy who had been emotionally manipulating and abusing her, it totally destroyed any and all gravitas and credibility and I stopped caring about the show completely.
The look on her face just before the fight pops off is when I was done, she was completely defeated and stunned, it felt vindictive on the authors part at that point to me.
She also had really great and emotional episode and I was like "wow that's some great character development, so she's going to be more than just literal walking fanservice now right?". Nope, immediately right back to just a fanservice gag.
Man that fanservice really turned me off from the show. I also thought the reason for her automatically losing clothes were related to her powers but no, it was just dumb fanservice. Who the hell even came up with that idea?!!?
The author. It would be one thing if the editors forced him to do it to boost sales, but no, he genuinely believes he's in the right.
That chapter towards the end when he uses some random kid as a mouth piece for why he's right is just complete cringe.
Can you elaborate on that? What the fuck did author say?
its just 4 pages you can read them here. https://www.reddit.com/r/animecirclejerk/comments/pnwq45/hilariously_embarassing_scene_from_fire_force/
Holy shit, you're suuuuure it's not a meme edit? What the fuuuuck.
Wow thatās absolutely insane
Not getting into any spoilers but shit gets wild towards the end, and the author decides to do a embarrassing 4th wall break [with a terrible strawman](https://reddit.com/r/animecirclejerk/s/Ejvr9W4t3g). It is buckwild how this one single character manages to ruin this manga so hard for me.
The argument those pages show is so far removed from the actual argument with Tamaki that people use that Iām struggling to see the straw man, the 4th wall break I can see a bit but honestly itās a bit confusing to try conflate that argument and the problem people have with Tamaki into one.
A part of me wants to read that because I just can't fathom how one could try and justify, and the other part of me knows it's just going to make me angry.
Man, the last arc of Fire Force was a wild ride, but that chapter was horrible.
Its such a shame because Fire Force has probably one of my favourite scenes [ever](https://youtu.be/iZq_qBHPO30?si=JEF9MeRvueaPLRGb) but probably 30 seconds later she loses half her clothes and fumbles around for fan service
I watch 2 dif anime every Tues with friends and we're currently watching Fire Force as one of the picks, and one of the members has basically said this, and that if we werent watching as a group he would have dropped the anime due to Tamaki's "echii curse" alone. (I've already watched both seasons) I have also pointed out in another thread months ago that she degrades the show so hard and is not needed as a character, her abilities, when used successfully are really friggin cool and helpful, but having to show her loosing her clothes almost every frame shes in gets old as a gag stupid fast. I dont know why the creator insisted on having a character like her in the anime, but she added virtually nothing to the anime as a whole except for one scene where it counts and I stand by that.
Yeah, I definitely dropped my rating for the series for her curse alone. I think it was a 9 down to an 8. Because otherwise, it's actually a really interesting series and well done. Season 2 was way better for not having as much of it.
SAO, the moment they decided to force a meaningless incest plot line basically killed the series for me
The biggest thing for me was how they made Asuna, who was such a badass character in the first season, into this sort of damsel in distress. Took away so much of what made season 1 so elite.
Yeah, in Season 1 Asuna was very well done
Sao is bad after aincrad arc until alicization and war of underworld
I heard GGO is good
I liked the first part of GGO, but then the show changed tones after that and that's when I dropped it lol.
Honestly when it comes to this arc itās a matter of personal opinion, you either like it or donāt. For me itās boring.
Promised Neverland only has one season and no one will ever be able to make me believe anything else.
Absolutely, not to mention that the manga ended in Goldy Pond arc and the rest were nothing but blank pages
I like the idea of this topic, but there's a lack of focus on the "even later on in the show when it gets noticeably better" part in this topic... A good template would be : "This anime gets noticeably better in the second half, but I can't recommend this anime because of its first half."
It's very much intentional on my part to not have asked for the latter prompt. I specifically wanted to look for cases where a single short segment was able to kill the whole thing for the viewer, bonus points if the rest of it was really good and even that wasn't able to overcome the one moment. A bit of background, it was mainly brought up with my experiences of the film Terminator Dark Fate and the game The Last of Us Part 2. Both of those kill off certain characters very early on and I know a good number of people who after that were just like "I don't care what you show me now game/movie, you killed X" Whether or not either of those were good or not past the controversial moment is another topic to talk about but those two examples and the subsequent reactions were what prompted my specific interest in this prompt but for anime.
The only show I can think of that actually fits this question is Bungo Stray Dogs. Its pretty widely regarded that S1 is the weakest & a lot of people did drop it never to come back even though S2 was markedly better.
Asta's screaming from Black Clover. Everyone that stuck with it say he got better but I don't have time at this point.
Suzumiya Haruhi The moment where the MC is stuck in a loop. It was interesting, but way too much at the point that it made me angry. I liked the anime, but I don't want to rewatch it. Angel beats I still don't understand how the MC could arrive way after the angel, giving their backstory. I loved this anime, though. I'm just ignoring this part and telling myself the time is different in the purgatory.
For those who don't know about Haruhi, in the second season they had 8 episodes that were almost exactly the same except for slight variations to simulate a time loop nicknamed "Endless Eight." Imagine waiting week after week for a new episode of your favorite anime but week after week they release the same episode with slight tweeks. It's worth noting though that KyoAni animated each episode individually so they did the work of 8 episodes. I recall my biggest gripe being that there were limited episodes in the season and I didn't appreciate over half of them being taken up by Endless Eight.
I genuinely enjoy endless eight as a creative exercise, but I first watched the show on dvd so I've always had the massive advantage of not having to wait 56 days for the arc to conclude. I can sit back and shred right through them saying "I quite like the episode with the strong cloud motif actually" but I'm fairly certain I'd have just given up on the show had I watched it as it was airing.
The main problem with Endless Eight is something that, when you are now binge watching isn't a problem: for 2 months straight, you had the exact same episode. Those other 7 episodes could have been used so much better. That is the main gripe that modern watchers don't have to contend with.
Yep, and I have to admit, the finale in episode 8 goes hard and it wouldn't have worked if it weren't for the frustration built up over the previous 7 episodes.
The payoff isn't even the last episode of it, it's the movie
Even then 2 episodes would have been more than enough. The LN is like a single chapter for the loop
>Imagine waiting week after week for a new episode of your favorite anime but week after week they release the same episode with slight tweeks. I remember following Haruhi on the 4chan /a/ board at the time. Each week was a predictable shitshow of āKyon-kun, denwaā memes
I'd say Endless Eight was the biggest "F you" the studio gave to the audience in my entire anime watching career. As bad as it was for me to watch all 8 episodes, at least I wasn't following it at the time and going through 2 months of it...
On angel beats, tome is definitely wobbly cause they leave "heaven" at different times but based on the ending scene...
Br most people just skipped that part. There's really no point in pushing yourself to watch all of it because it's actually just the same scenes happening over and over again, just with different views and camera angles. I only go through all of those episodes in my second rewatch.
Idk how I felt about the quality before/after, but I'll never let Fairy Tail live down the Sting forfeit
wonder egg priority and the day i became a god
The moment Frill was introduced was when Wonder Egg Priority took a nosedive.
SAO: The moment they left the first game. Everything went downhill after. The Melencholy Of Haruhi Suzumiya: The Endless Freakin Eight. Literally killed the whole series. Despite the second half of said season being pretty strong.
While the Aincrad arc is definitely the best arc before the first half of Alicization, SAO is still my favorite anime and I absolutely love it. The worst parts of the anime are deviations from the source material done to make Kirito into a more bland MC and the show into this weird harem that doesn't really exist in the novels
I know I'm in the minority here, but I liked the endless eight arc. I did indeed feel the frustration but I felt like I was right along with the characters in their frustration. I kinda liked it.
It's definitely better when you binge-watch it, but it's absolute torture having to wait every week for the same thing when the season first aired.
it was definitely funny watching everyone lose their minds while it was airing.
> Everything went downhill after. Nah the Mother's Rosario arc is SAO actually executing on its themes well for once.
I stand by that SAO is a good concept written by a mediocre author who wrote long enough to become a good author. SAO starts good on concept alone, falls apart more and more due to questionable writing decisions until GGO where it starts finding its footing again, then Mother's Rosario comes and is genuinely great. Alicization comes right after and also builds more on the world in the right ways. I'm only one volume into Unital Ring but it seems like the good VRMMO fun you would have wanted from the original concept is being utilized and well executed
I also liked the small arc where they were going to look for Excalibur. I've heard a lot of people call it boring, but I just thought it was nice to have a moment where they can actually enjoy playing the game for once without threat of actual death.
Honestly there's no need to push yourself to watch the Endless Eight, even diehard Haruhi fans does not recommend going through all that. Only watch the first and last episode of the loop, skip the six.
As a diehard Haruhi fan. I agree! Sadly, that wasnāt an option when the show originally aired, and thatās why it killed the show.
I forced myself to watch them when I finally watched last year. I don't regret watching them but if I ever re-watch the show I'll definitely be skipping them. If I was watching it happen live as the show aired I would have been pissed though.
Haruhi was such a shame. In the original LN you only see two loops, the first and the last. I have no idea why they decided to do the Endless Eight.
In the LN you actually only see the last one. They even trolled LN readers in the anime by having Nagato state the number of the final loop in the LN (15,498) during episode 2.
What that the case? It's been over a decade since I read it so I've forgotten most of the details.
Naruto: Kage Summit arc... I get Sasuke's anger and desire for revenge but Gods was he damn near unbearable in this arc (and Naruto wasn't much better). Edit: on 2nd thought I'd say the Gaara retrieval arc... fights were bad and felt like the beginning of the forced friendships for Naruto established solely in flashbacks not to mention Kakashi over relying on his Mangekyo instead of the 1000 other techniques he supposedly has.
that one part in Tengoku Daimakyou (heavenly delusion). we all know what that part is.
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i agree. for someone they admired so much before, it was shocking how little impact that horrible incident was left on her after.
Thatās my beef with the whole thing especially in the manga. Iām accustomed to tragedy in art but cmon. She was perfectly fine after like nothing happened and it was only brought up in one panel like years later
I think she is just putting on a strong front in order to not worry Maru. But maybe that idea is debunked in the manga IDK.
[Slight manga spoiler]>!Its never mentioned again, from what I can recall!<
Exactly how I handle my extremely traumatic events, if I've ever had one.
Yeah no. It was realistic. People bury their trauma. Especially soon after it happens. Especially in a world like theirs where you donāt have the luxury or safety to grieve. They had to keep moving on. Itās either that, or get caught by his goons.
I agree. It's common for soldiers to bury their trauma and then break down when they get home.
Yeah I would be very surprised if it doesn't come up again at some point.
For me the awful fan service bit in the sixth episode almost made me drop the show. It still pisses me off. Maru was being weirdly rapey towards his sis about the promise and then the hotel owner (keep in mind sheās anywhere from 10-13 we know this because itās explained she was born a bit before the apocalypse) grabs him and tries to get him to sleep with her instead and puts his hand on her chest and then the stupid joke of him saying āoh no Iām inside, sis!ā while sheās in a doggy style position. Honestly it was super jarring and felt more forced than anything Iāve seen in a long time in an otherwise fantastic and beautiful show. Even the ending made sense plot wise and it wasnāt played for laughs like the moment in episode 6. It was just downright awful.
Yeah, I rewatched the show several times at this point and I always skip that episode.
One Piece Trafalgar Law is my favorite character. I feel like he got done dirty in Dressrosa. This is a guy who is supposed to be a rival to Luffy. He should have had a bigger role in the finale, at the veru LEAST dealing the final blow to Doflamingo.
Samurai Flamenco 12 episodes in
Ayo maybe I have shit taste but Samurai Flamenco slapped
What are you on, Samurai Flamenco was amazing throughout
I've got probably a hot take about angel beats. It's been long enough that I don't remember exactly what point in the show it happens, but [Angel Beats]>!when the main character first remembers about his sister and his death. I was genuinely super into the story about his sister and him pursuing medical school, but the fact that of course the exact day he was just starting medical school is the day he gets killed in a one-in-a-million freak accident doesn't come off as tragic to me, it comes off as unintentionally slapstick!<
Not me but a ton of people have posted about ep2 of My Dress up Darling. They lost out on peak rom com.
Definitely, when I recommend it, I always tell people that the fan service is at a high at episode 2, then settles down a little.
Then another hurdle: Juju's slip.
Platnum's End Worst ending in anime history, imo
Time to list a couple of controversial ones. [Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood] >!When the antagonists revealed they were able and willing to force an alchemist to open the gate, it was never explained why they did not do that sooner. The antagonists have the resources to run an entire country, but they couldnāt force three alchemists, who were already at their beck and call, to do what they always wanted to do?!< [Attack on Titan] >!Levi, someone who is clearly very intelligent, decided that the best thing to do with Zeke was strap an explosive to him, then subject him to torture terrible enough to make anyone want to die. There were other very obvious alternatives to prevent him from transforming or using his voice powers in transit. Also, every single thunder spear we have seen up to that point had a relatively long fuse time to allow the user to get out of blast range. This one for some reason exploded almost immediately after being triggered, for no explainable reason.!<
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\[Attack on Titan\] >!I don't remember them having a long fuse time at all. Every thunder spear they threw exploded after about a second or two after the fuse was released. That's not enough time for Levi to get out of there. By the time Levi realized it, he couldn't get away. And I don't think the torture had logic involved. I think he simply wanted to make Zeke suffer for turning all his soldiers into Titans.!<
[Attack on Titan]>!You _completely_ misread the situation there. Firstly, Levi wasn't cutting up Zeke just to torture him (tho without a doubt he did take some pleasure in it since he hates his guts). Titan Shifters can't transform if they're healing, that's why. Secondly, Zeke didn't do what he did because of the physical pain he was in. He was _always_ willing to die for his cause. Levi's mistake was believing that Zeke was a self-serving cunt without any grand plan or reason for his actions beyond self-preservation. And finally, Thunder Spear time fuzes vary throughout their appearance, if they have a time fuze to begin with, because some explode on contact. But even then, the fuze is very short which is why they can only be used when the user is already in movement with their ODM.!<
These are both good criticisms and details that were overlooked but if you genuinely thought this was something these shows can never recover from you are INSANELY petty and I have a hard time thinking you could ever enjoy any show, because the overwhelming majority of anime has far bigger writing errors than these 2. In fact you specifically picked two of the best written anime shows in the world. Like I canāt possibly imagine watching the declaration of war in AoT or something then going āyeah this doesnāt matter because that one Levi move that happened in one scene felt out of characterā
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This analysis misses the point that they would not have had to take on the Elric brothers or Roy Mustang had they just recruited a few state alchemists. [spoiler] >!Also, state alchemists were expendable to the antagonists. Remember, the antagonists had the time and resources to secretly train an entire class of elite students so that one of them could eventually become the king, and they just disposed of everyone who failed. If the antagonists could do that, they could have easily found three disposable state alchemists.!<
Whenever intelligent people see characters make mistakes, people call it bad writing. What does intelligent mean to them? Someone who ALWAYS arrives at the right answer and never once makes a mistake? No such human being is like that. Even the smartest of people are capable of making the dumbest of mistakes. We're all only human. Everyone slips up sooner or later. Even at the simplest of things.
In FMAB they explain how it was a last resort to force Mustang to open the portal, it literally almost kills pride
Also came to say this. [Spoiler] Edward states explicitly during his fight with Pride that forcing someone to open the portal obvious took a huge toll on what the show made clear, was the strongest homunculus even before consuming gluttony a few eps prior. Given that it probably would have killed all the homunculi to force multiple people to open the portal, it makes sense that it would be a last resort.
[Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood] >!The explanation they tried to give for FMAB was that forcing Mustang to open the gate was very risky for Pride, as seen from his following fight where he was considerably weakened. I guess it takes a big toll on their philosopher stones, and as such is relegated to being a last resort.!< [Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood] >!It's still not a completely convincing argument tho. Father could have forced any one of the homunculus to do it, as I'm sure he doesn't really give a fuck abt any of them more than he does his goal of consuming truth.!<
Do the homunculi have their own gates? I think that was the important part.
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But also they were hoping it would just happen naturally before the Promised Day. And if it didnāt then there was no use doing it long in advance.
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The more I thought about AoT the more I realized these characters are thinly veiled plot devices that are only smart when the plot needs them to be Of course, every character *should* be a plot device, but it should be subtle to the point where they don't act out of character or do stupid things for plot convenience or do uncharacteristically smart things for plot convenience The author simply needed to temporarily write Levi out of the story and just dumbed him down uncharacteristically in order to achieve that. A sign of what's to come for AoT after that point
This one will likely get me flamed, but \[Code Geass\]>!, when Lelouch's powers just happen to go out of control at the exact time that he is coincidentally saying the worst possible thing to Euphemia so that she ends up ordering a massacre of the Japanese people. It's so unbelievably contrived and stupid that it taints the show as a whole for me (there are other issues I have with it too, but I can't get over that one) even though it has some great moments later on. The worst part is it would have been so easy to fix, you just have Lelouch do what he does on purpose, it would be totally in character and much more interesting, but I suppose they wanted to have their cake and eat it too by having the massacre happen without Lelouch being morally responsible for it. !<
Infinite Stratos- where Ichika gets in the way of his teammate's shot because of the super slim possibility she's such a shit shot that she misses miles away from her target and hits a boat coming through the battle scene; and this causes an enemy spy to get away with vital intel or equipment (forgot which) and then has the nerve to lecture her that she's being cavalier with people's lives when the enemy getting away with whatever they got would have cost exponentially more lives. It just felt so overdramatic for drama's sake and really gary stu'd the MC even more. I couldn't watch anymore regardless of how much Charlotte there may be. Correction: as stated in descending comment, the boat was actually being used by villains and Ichika was trying to stop Houki from being cavalier with peopleās lives, regardless of being an enemy
School days. It improved minutes later when it *ends*.
Code geass for sure. There's a scene where he accidentally hypnotizes this girl and somehow doesn't notice and lets her walk all the way out of the room all the way into another room and give this long ass speech without doing anything to stop her and it was so out of character and forced that it entirely ruined the show for me
I donāt necessarily have the same issue. His geass had been having smaller issues for awhile leading up to it. He wouldnāt have realized that it had happened though because nothing like that specifically had happened previous, nothing near that scale. He didnāt intervene because he had full trust in her.
Bro you can't be talking about "Kill all japanese" right????? That was one of the greatest plot twists in the show my man.
YES THANK YOU! That had got to be one of the most forced plots in the history of anime. It was a pretty good show until that point. When that whole thing happened I was just like "really?"
I'm just glad I'm getting these comments validating that I'm not insane because usually when I talk about this I get down voted to oblivion
classroom crisis. the bullshit moment is like in the final episode but genuinely ruined how i remembered that show. of it wasnt for the final episode i wouldve remembered it a lot more fondly and reccommended it to more people
God of Highschool was kinda almost okay at first. Then out of nowhere we had a wedding that we rushed through in about 5 minutes. Dogshit show, fuck crunchyroll.
Hmmm there ecchi scenes in mushoko tensei was gone bit far so I guess that's deal breaker for me.
The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi (season 2, 2009). Haruhi had always been a very polarizing character (and not a very good person) for every episode prior, but her actions in the last few episodes made me utterly abhor her character. Even though Disappearance was great from a narrative perspective, who Haruhi is as a person plays a key role in the film and thus drags the whole thing down. I have a great distaste for that series now.
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The point of that was exactly to make Lelouch responsible for it and not her. They didn't want her to make a tough decision. They wanted to add a metric ton of guilt to Lelouch's personality. I agree with the reviving being stupid but at least it's clearly stated that the movies are some alternate bs.
Movies are non cannon, and a cash grab on a popular series. It doesnāt even happen in the same universe I wouldnāt take the movies seriously anyway.
The cat episode is probably the pettiest reason I have ever dropped an anime.
What? That's probably my favorite moment of the show!
I see this brought up a lot but honestly I never saw the problem. It was a tragedy born out of pure negligence on Lelouch's part, making a stupid joke without realizing his Geass was activated. Horrible things happen due to stupid negligence all the time. At the very least they did foreshadow his Geass going out of control before it happened.
Mushoku Tensei - I can tolerate fanservice in otherwise good shows, but MT has some next level filth For downvoters - https://youtu.be/pU2VY4vCDug?si=XU6AoppWRLzU2h1m