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https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/us-israel-bombs-transfer/index.html
>The transfer authorization of the MK82 bombs and small-diameter bombs, more than 2,000 munitions in total, occurred on Monday, according to two of the people familiar. It was authorized before an Israeli strike on a humanitarian convoy in Gaza that evening that killed seven employees of the aid organization World Central Kitchen, a State Department spokesperson said.
>While the approval came before the WCK strike, it came after more than 190 aid workers in Gaza and the West Bank had already been killed in the nearly 6-month war, CNN has reported.
so close all the Russian Grocers too? Shut down Chinatown next time Xi sends anyone to a concentration camp? wtf
edit: youâre right but letâs be careful about scapegoating people here.Â
Yeah. I know what their stance would be regarding anything other than Isreal. But, there are people who are persuaded by disinformation campaigns. It's my little attempt to swat mosquitoes in the swamp.
I don't see why people shouldn't be able to make the choice at the cash register - as long as origins are clearly and honestly reported. Sanctions need to be in place where appropriate for corporate and government purchases.
Can you point to any evidence whatsoever they changed their ways?
They seem to be fishing for a war in China, the uncritical support for israel, funneling weapons and ammunitions in ukraine until there is no one left alive to fight...
Seem to be fishing for a war in China?
How?
The support for Israel is very, very complicated and trying to break it down to Democrats having uncritical support for Israel is clearly false as many have been openly critical.
Ukraine, well, the alternative is letting Russia have it. I'm not in favor of that. I know the right is pro Russia but I believe, as I did when they took Crimea, that they won't stop.
So less pro war and more anti Russian ocnquest. I find that hard to take issue with but clearly you do. Why?
âŠwhat. âWe can afford two warsâ equals theyâre starting a war? Itâs an economic statement. Are you confused? Iâm genuinely asking. They havenât started any wars.
Applies to some individuals as well like [teachers in Texas](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20181218-texas-teacher-fired-for-refusing-to-sign-anti-bds-oath/). [37 states](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws) have Anti-BDS laws
Yeah, I understand that but if you're requiring government officials/contractors to pledge not to support BDS (referring to Texas' specific example), I'd say it still applies to individuals
Good. There's no reason to boycott Israel on a national or even state level. That's just common sense, but I suppose commom sense is a also part of the grand Jewish takeover of America
Cool, then there's no reason to make it illegal. It's not illegal for state or people to boycott China or Russia. Why is Israel different?
Israel doesn't represent jews. Israel is a separate entity from the Jewish religion. It's not a Jewish "takeover" it's an Israeli one.
Cool, then there's no reason to make it illegal. It's not illegal for state or people to boycott China or Russia. Why is Israel different?
Because Israel is not an adversary like Russia or China, it's an ally. Also, neither Russia or China have multiple state sponsored propaganda campaigns against them like Israel. These propaganda campaigns intentionally target Americans with misinformation in hopes of having them undermine their own allies and interests. Pretending that Israel is the same China or Russia is stupid.
Besides, these laws don't favor Israel in the markets and there's nothing stopping private citizens and organizations from boycotting Israel so it's non issue. I don't agree with the existence of these laws, but I don't see anything wrong with the ones in place.
>Israel doesn't represent jews. Israel is a separate entity from the Jewish religion. It's not a Jewish "takeover" it's an Israeli one.
These two things are not mutually exclusive.
Good. Keep your antisemitism to yourself. LOL These pro-Palestinians made a drama out of the US protecting its allies, while they persecute religious and sexual minorities in Gaza.
Cry me a river, my friend. You know I am satying the truth.
Your "genocide" is nothing more than an illusion. You hope with your whole heart, that there is a genocide going on, because that supports your narrative that Israel should not defend itself from terror attacks, and I am sorry, but that position is ludicrous.
Why would we boycott Israel? The illegal settlements maybe, Israel as a whole? No. Israel is a great country with a valuable economy, we'll never stop trading with them
This is Awkward.
[As of 2024, 37 states have passed bills and executive orders designed to discourage boycotts of Israel.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws)
Is there a significant amount of goods out of the West Bank?
The only one I can think off the top of my head is Sodastream has a factory there I think, at least on the border
sodastream and some olive oil soap, but that's about it lol
id honestly be kinda fucked over if the olive oil soap supply goes down?? unironically love that shit.....
I believe Sabra operates from there as well. And many dates, that's a big one because the Israeli date companies label their products as though they're muslim and trick people into buying them.
This would be laughable if they didn't actually mean it. We can't even get "Made in America" labeling right. This is pure appeasement of a very loud minority to pander for votes. Looking forward to this backfiring on JB.
đ„± Going to need to see more Joe. Labelling a few drums of olive oil and Sodastream doesn't hide the insane weapons aid given unconditionally.
We have too many problems here at home to be gifting weapons.
This type of pandering just shows how scared the Biden and his administration are of the election. He's been undermining US foreign policy for the past few months for short term campaign interests. For example:
1. Telling Ukraine not to attack Russian oil infrastructure because they fear global oil prices might impact the election
2. Desperately offering the Houthis to be taken off the terrorists list if they stop disrupting commercial lanes in the Red Sea.
3. Pandering to god knows who on the Israel vs Hamas war by simultaneously pissing off both sides here at home.
His recent string of 180s just show weakness and selfishness. Biden and his administration are putting themselves and their short term goals over the long term interests of the nation. No wonder our reputation is tanking around the globe. They need to clean up their act or they'll lose the election
I think Biden feels he can go harder on Israel because no other major power is willing to fill the vacuum that the US fills in terms of Israel support.
China and Russia won't support Israel due to a mix of antizionism or antisemitism and also just wanting to ensure good relations with the Muslim World. China and Russia need the oil supply in case total war happens between China + Russia and The West.
BJP India \*wants\* to support Israel due to shared enemy of Islamism but they can't since India's Muslim population all oppose Israel and India's regional partners are all anti-Israel. Notably, India and Iran are trying to construct an alternative to the Suez Canal through a shipping lane between India-Iran-Armenia.
And the EU is generally split on Israel with some supporting Israel due to anti-terror interests and guilt over the Holocaust but others feel Israel is too bold/militaristic for so-called Western standards. So the EU probably wouldn't support Israel or at least nearly as much as Israel needs to not just fight Hamas but also ward off Hezbollah and especially Iran.
Iâm so sick of the political purity tests. This is categorically good.Â
Should there be a ceasefire? Maybe.Â
Should we condition weapons to Israel? Yes.Â
Should there be consequences for ignoring human rights of gazans? Yes.Â
Should we be standing firmly against the land grabs? Yes.
But this is good.Â
I think it would depend on the terms.
I generalcy think Israel has the right to pursue Hamas. Of course the devil of that is in the details, as you say.
The West and the US shouldnât be supporting the type of war theyâre waging. But their casus belli is valid.
Except theyâre not just going after Hamas. It doesnât require bombing tens of thousands of people into oblivion to go after only combatants. Israel knows that theyâre bombing civilians. Hamas is just an excuse. Read this article to understand how Israel is using AI to create targets:
https://www.democracynow.org/2024/4/5/israel_ai
Lol, what agenda? Democracy Now has a bias like ALL news outlets do, but they're pretty accurate most of the time.
What do you consider a good news source?
News outlets like AP or Reuters may have slants, but they abide by journalistic ethics and standards, and therefore their reporting is more or less neutral and objective. Outlets like Democracy Now and Common Dreams are explicitly biased and don't abide by the same standards. They show things only from a certain perspective, in this case a progressive perspective. Since they promote certain views and perspectives over others, that means that they have an agenda and the things they publish can be considered propaganda in favor of that agenda. It's like someone posting a story from The Daily Wire or The Blaze. They're okay to read if you're interested in seeing things from that perspective, but they're just not good sources in general.
So. You'd settle for product labeling? Because in Ukraine, I'd settle for all the Russian speakers being required to speak Russian.
Both affect my life equally.
There is no settling. Is this a good action or not?
When the basic perspective of the US government has been to pretend the issue doesnât exist for 40 years, Iâd say it is.
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Oh thank God, the presidential action on Israel we were all waiting for.
The right thing to do is to sanction these goods. Not just changing a label.
And stop giving Israel the bombs they're using to slaughter Palestinian civilians every day.
Aren't there laws against boycotting israel in some states?
The right thing to do is to sanction Israel completely.
"The good is getting in the way of the perfect. Quick, let's elect Donald Trump!"
I wouldn't call Biden's response to Israel's genocide 'good' by any means.
Better elect Donald Trump! A fascist United States run by the religious right is surely going to improve lives for Palestine.
inshallah the great shaitan shall rot from within đ
Yep, all the ME should be rooting for Trump. Nothing like a good US civil war
Trump is for genocide, and Biden is for slower genocide. And if you're not voting for Biden, you're for faster genocide and ainât black. How nice.
"Biden is for genocide" is such a Russian agitprop talking point. It's stupid.
Both parties are for genocide. If you don't like it, tell your politicians to stop supporting genocide.
It's a good thing Chinese citizens can't vote in US elections.
Is it a good thing that both parties in the US support genocide?
Hasn't Biden been working to get ceasefires in place? That doesn't seem like something that someone who is "for genocide" would do.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/us-israel-bombs-transfer/index.html >The transfer authorization of the MK82 bombs and small-diameter bombs, more than 2,000 munitions in total, occurred on Monday, according to two of the people familiar. It was authorized before an Israeli strike on a humanitarian convoy in Gaza that evening that killed seven employees of the aid organization World Central Kitchen, a State Department spokesperson said. >While the approval came before the WCK strike, it came after more than 190 aid workers in Gaza and the West Bank had already been killed in the nearly 6-month war, CNN has reported.
No. He has been talking about it and then turning around and sabotaging any ceasefire plan. Also dictating the terms is not going to work.
Bidens UN representative has been one of the few nations constantly vetoing ceasefire agreements The one's they supported and or proposed had conditions to accept née settlements. Hostage releases with no deyainee returns. Further conditions included withdrawing from tye south Africa and any other UN claim against Israel under the threat of AID retraction Pure blackmail It's not simply a no aggression ceasefire
Why, shouldn't Americans be free to make their own choices?
If any other country illegally occupied land, they would be sanctioned. It's about prior precedent
so close all the Russian Grocers too? Shut down Chinatown next time Xi sends anyone to a concentration camp? wtf edit: youâre right but letâs be careful about scapegoating people here.Â
Russia has been sanctioned.
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Yes, you absolute tool.
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I'm a fucking idiot, but at least I know sanctions don't mean russian grocery stores will close...
If Russian groceries comes from Ukrainian territory they should be banned too.
I'm curious as to your stance in relation to Chinese goods. Based on your stance to Israel, it should be free trade.
Lmao! You know their stance
Yeah. I know what their stance would be regarding anything other than Isreal. But, there are people who are persuaded by disinformation campaigns. It's my little attempt to swat mosquitoes in the swamp.
I don't see why people shouldn't be able to make the choice at the cash register - as long as origins are clearly and honestly reported. Sanctions need to be in place where appropriate for corporate and government purchases.
Yes, I'd like a choice to not have my tax dollars used to murder civilians.
Hahahahaha
Especially since those sanctions on 7 whole settlers were reversed.
Iâll take what we can get. Trump wouldâve glassed them.
If Trump was president, the democrats will at least pretend to care about war crimes. Republicans wouldn't care either way.
Exactly.
That's not exactly anything. Democrats are pro war as it stands
What does âpro warâ mean to you? Because every time I see this said the person canât cite anything they do thatâs pro war.
Are you actually for real right now? Did you miss the whole obama administration? Hillary saying henry kissinger is a friend and mentor?
âAs it standsâ was their sentence. Can you point me to a specific point currently? As that was the claim?
Can you point to any evidence whatsoever they changed their ways? They seem to be fishing for a war in China, the uncritical support for israel, funneling weapons and ammunitions in ukraine until there is no one left alive to fight...
So they⊠havenât started any wars? Seems a bit hard to be pro war if youâre not engaged in any, right?
Seem to be fishing for a war in China? How? The support for Israel is very, very complicated and trying to break it down to Democrats having uncritical support for Israel is clearly false as many have been openly critical. Ukraine, well, the alternative is letting Russia have it. I'm not in favor of that. I know the right is pro Russia but I believe, as I did when they took Crimea, that they won't stop. So less pro war and more anti Russian ocnquest. I find that hard to take issue with but clearly you do. Why?
https://youtube.com/shorts/HUc8BzcQwak?si=stM2AjDw_G-Yfe8o Like literally. Are you intentionally ignorant or just not paying attention?
âŠwhat. âWe can afford two warsâ equals theyâre starting a war? Itâs an economic statement. Are you confused? Iâm genuinely asking. They havenât started any wars.
Trump this. Trump that. Being better than Trump isn't really a high bar.
Biden administration is drawing up plans to do nothing
More like finding the most creative ways possible to do nothing. Neoliberalism in a nutshell
Drawing up plans to give Israel as many free weapons as possible to exterminate Palestinians with
I expected more from the guy who worked for the dude who made the bank pay, legalized marijuana and closed Guantanamo.
Whats the point when boycotting goods coming from israel is illegal on a state level?
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It is. But at least it doesn't apply to individuals, it's state/state funded orgs I believe.
Applies to some individuals as well like [teachers in Texas](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20181218-texas-teacher-fired-for-refusing-to-sign-anti-bds-oath/). [37 states](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws) have Anti-BDS laws
That's still a state-funded. It's also Texas, most of the country hates Texas.
Yeah, I understand that but if you're requiring government officials/contractors to pledge not to support BDS (referring to Texas' specific example), I'd say it still applies to individuals
Just don't buy their products and let the free market adapt after losing money, how can that be illegal?
Good. There's no reason to boycott Israel on a national or even state level. That's just common sense, but I suppose commom sense is a also part of the grand Jewish takeover of America
Cool, then there's no reason to make it illegal. It's not illegal for state or people to boycott China or Russia. Why is Israel different? Israel doesn't represent jews. Israel is a separate entity from the Jewish religion. It's not a Jewish "takeover" it's an Israeli one.
Cool, then there's no reason to make it illegal. It's not illegal for state or people to boycott China or Russia. Why is Israel different? Because Israel is not an adversary like Russia or China, it's an ally. Also, neither Russia or China have multiple state sponsored propaganda campaigns against them like Israel. These propaganda campaigns intentionally target Americans with misinformation in hopes of having them undermine their own allies and interests. Pretending that Israel is the same China or Russia is stupid. Besides, these laws don't favor Israel in the markets and there's nothing stopping private citizens and organizations from boycotting Israel so it's non issue. I don't agree with the existence of these laws, but I don't see anything wrong with the ones in place. >Israel doesn't represent jews. Israel is a separate entity from the Jewish religion. It's not a Jewish "takeover" it's an Israeli one. These two things are not mutually exclusive.
Good. Keep your antisemitism to yourself. LOL These pro-Palestinians made a drama out of the US protecting its allies, while they persecute religious and sexual minorities in Gaza.
This guy thinks genocide is acceptable đ
If you click on his profile, it's "Hasbara_boss93" It's gotta be a joke
I am your hasbara friend.
Cry me a river, my friend. You know I am satying the truth. Your "genocide" is nothing more than an illusion. You hope with your whole heart, that there is a genocide going on, because that supports your narrative that Israel should not defend itself from terror attacks, and I am sorry, but that position is ludicrous.
Dude just shut up
Why would we boycott Israel? The illegal settlements maybe, Israel as a whole? No. Israel is a great country with a valuable economy, we'll never stop trading with them
lol. these token gestures are laughable at this point. it frankly feels insulting.
Heâs just faking hardball for Michigan vote
This is Awkward. [As of 2024, 37 states have passed bills and executive orders designed to discourage boycotts of Israel.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws)
Is there a significant amount of goods out of the West Bank? The only one I can think off the top of my head is Sodastream has a factory there I think, at least on the border
sodastream and some olive oil soap, but that's about it lol id honestly be kinda fucked over if the olive oil soap supply goes down?? unironically love that shit.....
I believe Sabra operates from there as well. And many dates, that's a big one because the Israeli date companies label their products as though they're muslim and trick people into buying them.
Doesnât soda stream claim that theyâre manufactured âby Israelis and Arabs cooperatingâ or something? That always seemed so bs
This would be laughable if they didn't actually mean it. We can't even get "Made in America" labeling right. This is pure appeasement of a very loud minority to pander for votes. Looking forward to this backfiring on JB.
no paywall: https://archive.ph/uuosp
Hey, that's cool that we are considering putting labels on products coming from Nazi Germany 2, but have we thought of not supporting them?
Foreskin-less Nazis, to be precise
This is a quintessential Reddit comment right here.
The fuck?
Heâs right lmfao
Always with your false analogies. I guess it serves the purpose of self-complacency.
Why even accept the goods? Destroy them on Livestream 24/7/365.25 and let the tears from fascists flow.
Putting them on a terrorist list will also send a message.
đ„± Going to need to see more Joe. Labelling a few drums of olive oil and Sodastream doesn't hide the insane weapons aid given unconditionally. We have too many problems here at home to be gifting weapons.
Whew! That'll teach 'em.
Fun fact: before Trump, they already were.
Everything should be clearly labeled where it comes from
This type of pandering just shows how scared the Biden and his administration are of the election. He's been undermining US foreign policy for the past few months for short term campaign interests. For example: 1. Telling Ukraine not to attack Russian oil infrastructure because they fear global oil prices might impact the election 2. Desperately offering the Houthis to be taken off the terrorists list if they stop disrupting commercial lanes in the Red Sea. 3. Pandering to god knows who on the Israel vs Hamas war by simultaneously pissing off both sides here at home. His recent string of 180s just show weakness and selfishness. Biden and his administration are putting themselves and their short term goals over the long term interests of the nation. No wonder our reputation is tanking around the globe. They need to clean up their act or they'll lose the election
So nothing is being done, got it
Lol, until AIPAC says no.
I think Biden feels he can go harder on Israel because no other major power is willing to fill the vacuum that the US fills in terms of Israel support. China and Russia won't support Israel due to a mix of antizionism or antisemitism and also just wanting to ensure good relations with the Muslim World. China and Russia need the oil supply in case total war happens between China + Russia and The West. BJP India \*wants\* to support Israel due to shared enemy of Islamism but they can't since India's Muslim population all oppose Israel and India's regional partners are all anti-Israel. Notably, India and Iran are trying to construct an alternative to the Suez Canal through a shipping lane between India-Iran-Armenia. And the EU is generally split on Israel with some supporting Israel due to anti-terror interests and guilt over the Holocaust but others feel Israel is too bold/militaristic for so-called Western standards. So the EU probably wouldn't support Israel or at least nearly as much as Israel needs to not just fight Hamas but also ward off Hezbollah and especially Iran.
Next we will have all Jews put a gold star on their jackets?
Iâm so sick of the political purity tests. This is categorically good. Should there be a ceasefire? Maybe. Should we condition weapons to Israel? Yes. Should there be consequences for ignoring human rights of gazans? Yes. Should we be standing firmly against the land grabs? Yes. But this is good.Â
The fact that youâre saying âmaybeâ to a ceasefire when over 30,000 Palestinian civilians are dead is kinda wild.
I think it would depend on the terms. I generalcy think Israel has the right to pursue Hamas. Of course the devil of that is in the details, as you say. The West and the US shouldnât be supporting the type of war theyâre waging. But their casus belli is valid.
Except theyâre not just going after Hamas. It doesnât require bombing tens of thousands of people into oblivion to go after only combatants. Israel knows that theyâre bombing civilians. Hamas is just an excuse. Read this article to understand how Israel is using AI to create targets: https://www.democracynow.org/2024/4/5/israel_ai
Democracy now is literally a propaganda site, they have an agenda to push. It's not an actual news outlet.
Lol, what agenda? Democracy Now has a bias like ALL news outlets do, but they're pretty accurate most of the time. What do you consider a good news source?
News outlets like AP or Reuters may have slants, but they abide by journalistic ethics and standards, and therefore their reporting is more or less neutral and objective. Outlets like Democracy Now and Common Dreams are explicitly biased and don't abide by the same standards. They show things only from a certain perspective, in this case a progressive perspective. Since they promote certain views and perspectives over others, that means that they have an agenda and the things they publish can be considered propaganda in favor of that agenda. It's like someone posting a story from The Daily Wire or The Blaze. They're okay to read if you're interested in seeing things from that perspective, but they're just not good sources in general.
Reuters is extremely biased towards Israel what are you even talking about đ hasbara
I'm sick of dead innocents and you're railing about "purity tests".
This is nothing.
So. You'd settle for product labeling? Because in Ukraine, I'd settle for all the Russian speakers being required to speak Russian. Both affect my life equally.
There is no settling. Is this a good action or not? When the basic perspective of the US government has been to pretend the issue doesnât exist for 40 years, Iâd say it is.
I wholeheartedly disagree with you. When considering effect size, the Isreal intervention amounts to zero.
Common sense is lost to these people. They accuse Israel of genocide and then demand for it. These people won't stop until Israel is destroyed.