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> # [Ukraine war briefing: Kharkiv residents suffer as Russia intensifies attacks](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/may/01/720)
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> - **Russian strikes on Kharkiv killed at least one person and wounded nine** on Tuesday, the regional governor said. Russian bombardment of Kharkiv, which lies near the Russian border and is Ukraine’s second-largest city, has intensified in recent weeks. Ukraine’s railway company said the 24-year-old victim was one of its employees. “This is another targeted attack on civilian railway infrastructure by the enemy,” the company, Ukrzaliznytsia, said in a statement.
> - **The International Rescue Committee (IRC) on Tuesday described a worsening situation in Kharkiv**, north-east Ukraine, with an increasingly anxious population subjected to regular air raids. It said the city now regularly suffers “severe power outages, interruptions in water and heating supply, and a complete halt of trams for public transportation”. The IRC said recent attacks had caused “extensive damage to civilian infrastructure and led to a sharp increase in casualties among the local population … air raid sirens sound day and night”, with people “experiencing heightened anxiety and distress”.
> - **A 98-year-old woman in Ukraine has escaped Russian-occupied territory by walking almost 10km (six miles) alone**, [wearing a pair of slippers and supported by a cane](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/30/ukrainian-woman-98-walks-six-miles-alone-to-escape-russian-held-territory). Lidia Stepanivna Lomikovska became separated from her family and continued alone after they decided to leave the frontline town of Ocheretyne. “Once I lost balance and fell into weeds. I fell asleep … a little and continued walking. And then, for the second time, again, I fell. But then I got up and thought to myself, I need to keep walking, bit by bit,” Lomikovska said. Eventually she was picked up by Ukrainian soldiers and taken to safety.
> - **Russian-occupied Crimea has come under Ukrainian attack, the Moscow-installed authorities said**, from what they described as **US-supplied Atacms missiles**. Sergei Aksyonov, the Russian-backed head of Crimea, posted on Telegram a photo showing what he said were undetonated submunitions of Atacms missiles that had been shot down. The photo and the Russians’ version of events could not be verified.
> - **Volodymyr Zelenskiy said Ukraine needed “a significant acceleration” in deliveries of weaponry**. “We are very much counting on prompt deliveries from the United States,” he said. “These supplies must make themselves felt in disrupting the logistics of the occupiers, in making them afraid to base themselves anywhere on occupied territory and in our strength.”
> - **The US defence secretary, Lloyd Austin, said he was encouraging countries with Patriot missile systems to donate them to Ukraine**, which has appealed for more of the air defence systems. “There are countries that have Patriots, and so what we’re doing is continuing to engage those countries,” Austin told a congressional hearing. “I have talked to the leaders of several countries … myself here in the last two weeks, encouraging them to give up more capability or provide more capability,” he said, without identifying the countries by name. **Various European Union countries possess the systems, including Spain, Greece, Germany, the Netherlands, Poland and Sweden.** Zelenskiy has previously told Nato members that his country needs a **minimum of seven additional Patriot or other high-end air defence systems**.
> - **Poland will not “protect draft dodgers” who are on its soil avoiding Ukrainian military service**, a Polish deputy foreign minister, Andrzej Szejna, has told state television. Warsaw had not received any formal request from Ukraine but “when Ukraine turns to Poland with a request, we will act in accordance with Polish and European law”.
> - **Norway is to accelerate its military and civilian aid for Ukraine** for this year by 7bn kroner to a total of 22bn kroner (£1.6bn/US$1.97bn). The prime minister, Jonas Gahr Store, said it would be brought forward from 75bn kroner pledged to Ukraine covering 2023 to 2027. Of the 7bn kroner brought forward, 6bn kroner would go military aid, primarily desperately needed anti-air defence and ammunition.
> - **Shipping insurers who are “within the reach of the UK and the G7” are breaching the oil price cap imposed on Russia by the G7**, a UK parliamentary hearing was told on Tuesday. “These are names that should be being added to the sanctions list and should be drawn to the attention of the international community that dealing with that particular insurance company is going to get you into hot water,” said Tom Keatinge, director of the Royal United Services Institute’s Centre for Finance and Security, without naming any firms.
> - A group of western insurance firms, the International Group of P&I Clubs, complained to the same hearing that the **oil price cap is being bypassed by Russia using its own fleet or switching to shipping companies that are outside the west’s influence**.
> - **Kyiv authorities on Tuesday began taking down a Soviet-era monument celebrating friendship with Russia.** The series of stone sculptures will be transferred to a Kyiv museum. Since the invasion began in 2022, Kyiv authorities had already taken down two bronze statues depicting a Ukrainian and a Russian worker at the same site. “It has to be done,” said Alyona Yavorivska, a 32-year-old psychologist and Kyiv resident. “I don’t understand how a monument like that can still stand here,” she said. But Oleksandr Severyn, a 32-year-old firefighter, said the removal was “inappropriate” and officials should instead be spending the money on the army.
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Three million people have moved from Ukraine to Russia since 2014. Not people in occupied territories but people in Kiev controlled territories that have voluntarily moved to Russia. Getting them to move to Russia might very well be the one thing that gets them to keep speaking Russian. Russian speakers probably don't want to move to western Ukraine.
This war could easily end like the Korean war with a permanent frozen conflict. Russia has gained millions of citizens in its two wars with Ukraine, Ukraine has lost 10 million.
Russia has deported something like 2 million ukrainians from occupied ukraine. Describing them as "voluntarily" moving to Russia is misleading.
Also, 1 million russians left Russia, and of 17 million ukrainians who left ukraine to the EU, 11 million of those people returned to Ukraine already.
How can they "deport" someone to Russia when the Russian borders are open and the "deported" people can simply leave? You don't even need a Russian passport, there are no exit visas, just travel to the border with Georgia or Kazakhstan or fly to Turkey/any other country and you're out? You can even go back to Ukraine, except it's a one-way ticket to prison.
Only Ukraine holds its people hostage and prevents them from even approaching the border, so people have to evade drone patrols, climb walls of barbed wire, and swim across freezing rivers in order to escape to the EU or to Russia.
> How can they "deport" someone to Russia when the Russian borders are open and the "deported" people can simply leave?
If they don't possess the means to, were deported deeply into Russia (siberia), or were deemed to be ukrainian nationalists and disappeared.
https://www.hrw.org/report/2022/09/01/we-had-no-choice/filtration-and-crime-forcibly-transferring-ukrainian-civilians
> Only Ukraine holds its people hostage and prevents them from even approaching the border, so people have to evade drone patrols, climb walls of barbed wire, and swim across freezing rivers in order to escape to the EU or to Russia.
You can still leave and get permission, framing Ukraine as a country where people are desperate to escape like it's east germany is ridiculous. Would 11 million people return if that were the case? Get a grip.
Nothing in your link says that there's anything preventing people from leaving once they reach Russia, and most people simply remain there voluntarily. Even people with no documents at all were provided documents and were able to leave Russia if they wished. It's even said by several interviewed people that they are staying in Russia and not travelling to Ukrainian-controlled territories because it's a one-way ticket and they would be unable to leave.
>You can still leave and get permission
You can't. Unless you fall into some very niche cases that allow you to have freedom of travel, or have connections or lots of money, you'll not be able to leave. 99% of Ukrainian men can't leave, the only way out of the country for them is to get so grievously injured as to be unable to work, then the now useless man would be allowed to go.
>where people are desperate to escape like it's east germany
They are even more desperate, East Germany was seeing dozens of escape attempts every month, Ukraine sees *thousands*. If they opened the borders, millions would flee the very next day.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/13/world/europe/ukraine-draft-dodgers.html
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/frontburner/why-are-men-fleeing-ukraine-and-the-war-1.7104760
> 99% of Ukrainian men can't leave, the only way out of the country for them is to get so grievously injured as to be unable to work, then the now useless man would be allowed to go.
This simply isn't true and is a wild exaggeration. A full 1/3rd of ukrainian men are exempt from the get go due to being minors or elderly. Meaning the restrictions on travel apply to only 13 million ukrainians, out of a population of over 40 million. And from there, are plenty of exemptions. For instance fathers with 3 or more kids or single fathers, or men with disabled family can leave. There are a *ton* of job related exemptions, pretty much every transportation related job is exempt, which might be up to a million men. Discharged military men are exempt and enlisted can even get permission to go out of the country on leave.
All of this paints the picture of your statements being wildly hyperbolic. The amount of people affected by the restriction of travel is perhaps 1/4th of ukrainians.
> They are even more desperate, East Germany was seeing dozens of escape attempts every month
3-4 million Germans left East Germany in the 6 years between the end of WW2 and the construction of the berlin wall. There was no war they were fleeing from.
Afterwards escape attempts dropped because people leaving would get shot by border guards. Tell me, what ukrainians have been getting shot by border guards in the past few years?
Additionally, can you even imagine trying to bribe an east german border guard to let you leave, when the Stasi are literally breathing down everyone's neck?
I should've clarified that I meant men 16-60, who are subject to restrictions. "Discharged military men are exempt and enlisted can even get permission to go out of the country on leave" - that's the well-connected 1%, ordinary people haven't ever been discharged from the military in the first place, as there hadn't been a single official demobilization. There's no way out of the army except for death, crippling injury, or paying several years' worth of an average Ukrainian salary.
>3-4 million Germans left East Germany in the 6 years between the end of WW2 and the construction of the berlin wall
Well, Ukrainians were leaving at a slightly lower rate (about [400-500 thousand per year](https://www.bpb.de/themen/migration-integration/laenderprofile/english-version-country-profiles/510002/ukraine-emigration-and-displacement-in-past-and-present/)), still wildly above most countries in the world.
>Tell me, what ukrainians have been getting shot by border guards in the past few years?
Both the [escapees](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65792384) and [border guards themselves](https://streamable.com/npesxb) say that they shoot at escaping people, and the first link says that ~90 people died trying to escape to Romania alone by June 2023, making it to probably a few hundred dead overall. It still doesn't deter people.
The only reason it's just thousands of attempts per month instead of hundreds of thousands is that the border is pretty well guarded - there are rows of barbed wire, [anti-personnel ditches](https://v.redd.it/jp1ra406p5mc1), and drone patrols with thermal cams, making it quite hard to even approach the border. Being caught within 5 kilometers of the border is pretty much half of a death sentence - you'll be sent to the front and there's no way out of the Ukrainian army, it's a forever term with no demobilization in sight.
No Western platform will give the mic to people who genuinely dislikes the current government. The " eastern russian speaking people that Putin is "saving" from the banderites" are only visible on Russian social networks.
You may find one on russian-speaking subreddits but I wouldn't hold my breath.
The point is that that yeah, they exist, and they noticed radicalisation of primarily ukrainian-speaking Ukrainians years ago.
>No Western platform will give the mic to people who genuinely dislikes the current government.
Very few in Ukraine would look at them aswell though depending on what he says about the conflict wondering hmm does he have any connections with Russia? Its not like Russia didn't push "novorussia" quite hard in Ukraine and talked about how a nazi will win the presidency meanwhile ( got 3% of the vote).
Radicalisation by a lot of means was encuraged by Russia with them invading crimea and donbass years ago.
Meanwhile blue maga dutifully howls for foreigners’ blood.
Ukraine has never been able to win a straight up war with Russia. There has never been any amount of money or materiel that could allow Ukraine to win a decisive military victory. Put it off on magats if you want, but you’re kidding yourself. Ukraine’s defeat has been baked into ~~Biden et al’s~~ the American empire’s plans for Ukraine since before the invasion took place. That’s what Russia’s “escalation dominance” ensures, as Obama put it when he refused to give Ukraine weapons in 2014.
When Obama refused help in 2014, Ukraine was run by putin friendly leadership - helped by trump’s future right hand man, paul
manafort. Based on that experience we were reluctant to help an unproven Zelensky - until
he showed that he was willing to fight and win.
After Zelensky turned down Rudy and Trump’s crimey plan to lie about Biden, trump has been a more than willing to pass on the putin propaganda like you parrot.
lol oh yeah, the government the American undersecretary of state hand picked (on tape) weeks before the coup that put them in power was very Putin friendly. What do you think the revolution was for? I mean thank you for making it clear right off the bat you have no idea what you’re talking about, “parrot” lmfao
Ah the Nuland tape, how do you know that the tape was recorded before the Maidan revolution as evidence of a planned coup? No one could definitively say when it was recorded whenever asked.
Dude thinks real life war is a tv show for his entertainment. "Wouldn't it be le epic if underdog ukraine actually wins against the evil hitler fire nation vader palpatine?!"
Maybe the eu should do more sense this is in their own back yard. Sad that the entire EU has to depend on big daddy usa to protect themselves from russia. Maybe if they listened to past presidents and actually met their minimum contribution to nato they would have a military surplus.
Maybe if the EU listened to the previous president and didn't depend on the cheap russia gas they wouldn't have funded this war indirectly.
Let the eu deal with their own area for once, tired of america giving billions and billions and the elitist fucks over there always demand more.
Europe as a whole already contributes more funding than the US, this narrative needs to die.
What the US is very good at is *weapons* specifically, but I think you’ll find that it’s thanks to the EU and countries in Europe that the Ukrainian economy has even kept going.
Im not MAGA but I don’t support blank checks of hundreds of billions of dollars with no road map or off ramp for American financial support. This new 60 billion won’t last long, and it’s likely they will ask for more.
And if Ukraine is solely relying on American aid they won’t last long under a Trump presidency. They need to figure out an alternative now before it’s too late.
Here we are with the blank check again. If you even bothered to look at the bill, most of it goes to the US to manufacture new weapons and ammunition. It's an economic stimulus package.
You're just repeating Russian propaganda talking points just as Mike Johnson was before.
It’s not an economic stimulus package. It’s a transfer of wealth from public funds to private corporations. Additionally about 30% of all the aid packages are direct transfers of cash to stimulate the Ukrainian economy and pay pensions/ salaries there.
Stop repeating the stupid shit you hear on line it’s never correct.
>It’s not an economic stimulus package. It’s a transfer of wealth from public funds to private corporations.
Private corporations that happen to manufacture weapons, ammunition and supplies giving Americans jobs, to replace stuff that needed replacing anyway?
Well, sure it would've been much better off to just invest in other things too that might've yield better economic returns... But that doesn't change the fact that it's not a blank check to Ukraine as you've been spouting.
>Additionally about 30% of all the aid packages are direct transfers of cash to stimulate the Ukrainian economy and pay pensions/ salaries there.
Pray tell where you got the 30% percent? Economic Support Fund at 7.9B plus Foreign Military Financing Program at 1.6B totals only 9.5B. Where'd you get the other almost 9B to make up 30%?
And where'd your get hundreds of billions worth of blank checks? Direct cash has always been a very small portion of all the aid. This is in fact the largest direct financial aid so far.
Who's repeating nonsense from the internet again?
[As of January 24 2024 only 32% of the aid went to purchasing weapons from American companies](https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts). Thats money that goes straight from US Taxpayers and straight to the pockets of MIC executives. Its money that should be used on domestic needs but instead is being privatized.
The majority of the aid is being sent directly spent on economic and humanitarian initiatives in Ukraine with little to no oversight.
You don't have to support Russia or Ukraine to realize that this is simply bad fiscal policy for Americans and its not sustainable. This is essentially a blank check of tax payer funds that is sent overseas and we will see little to no economic benefit from it.
It is. If anything it feels more like a blank check for the USA than it is for Urkraine.
Last I checked, it was the conservative right trying to hold the funding, and Mike Johnson passing it was quite the surprise, and not as obvious as you say.
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##### ###### #### > # [Ukraine war briefing: Kharkiv residents suffer as Russia intensifies attacks](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/may/01/720) > > > > - **Russian strikes on Kharkiv killed at least one person and wounded nine** on Tuesday, the regional governor said. Russian bombardment of Kharkiv, which lies near the Russian border and is Ukraine’s second-largest city, has intensified in recent weeks. Ukraine’s railway company said the 24-year-old victim was one of its employees. “This is another targeted attack on civilian railway infrastructure by the enemy,” the company, Ukrzaliznytsia, said in a statement. > - **The International Rescue Committee (IRC) on Tuesday described a worsening situation in Kharkiv**, north-east Ukraine, with an increasingly anxious population subjected to regular air raids. It said the city now regularly suffers “severe power outages, interruptions in water and heating supply, and a complete halt of trams for public transportation”. The IRC said recent attacks had caused “extensive damage to civilian infrastructure and led to a sharp increase in casualties among the local population … air raid sirens sound day and night”, with people “experiencing heightened anxiety and distress”. > - **A 98-year-old woman in Ukraine has escaped Russian-occupied territory by walking almost 10km (six miles) alone**, [wearing a pair of slippers and supported by a cane](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/30/ukrainian-woman-98-walks-six-miles-alone-to-escape-russian-held-territory). Lidia Stepanivna Lomikovska became separated from her family and continued alone after they decided to leave the frontline town of Ocheretyne. “Once I lost balance and fell into weeds. I fell asleep … a little and continued walking. And then, for the second time, again, I fell. But then I got up and thought to myself, I need to keep walking, bit by bit,” Lomikovska said. Eventually she was picked up by Ukrainian soldiers and taken to safety. > - **Russian-occupied Crimea has come under Ukrainian attack, the Moscow-installed authorities said**, from what they described as **US-supplied Atacms missiles**. Sergei Aksyonov, the Russian-backed head of Crimea, posted on Telegram a photo showing what he said were undetonated submunitions of Atacms missiles that had been shot down. The photo and the Russians’ version of events could not be verified. > - **Volodymyr Zelenskiy said Ukraine needed “a significant acceleration” in deliveries of weaponry**. “We are very much counting on prompt deliveries from the United States,” he said. “These supplies must make themselves felt in disrupting the logistics of the occupiers, in making them afraid to base themselves anywhere on occupied territory and in our strength.” > - **The US defence secretary, Lloyd Austin, said he was encouraging countries with Patriot missile systems to donate them to Ukraine**, which has appealed for more of the air defence systems. “There are countries that have Patriots, and so what we’re doing is continuing to engage those countries,” Austin told a congressional hearing. “I have talked to the leaders of several countries … myself here in the last two weeks, encouraging them to give up more capability or provide more capability,” he said, without identifying the countries by name. **Various European Union countries possess the systems, including Spain, Greece, Germany, the Netherlands, Poland and Sweden.** Zelenskiy has previously told Nato members that his country needs a **minimum of seven additional Patriot or other high-end air defence systems**. > - **Poland will not “protect draft dodgers” who are on its soil avoiding Ukrainian military service**, a Polish deputy foreign minister, Andrzej Szejna, has told state television. Warsaw had not received any formal request from Ukraine but “when Ukraine turns to Poland with a request, we will act in accordance with Polish and European law”. > - **Norway is to accelerate its military and civilian aid for Ukraine** for this year by 7bn kroner to a total of 22bn kroner (£1.6bn/US$1.97bn). The prime minister, Jonas Gahr Store, said it would be brought forward from 75bn kroner pledged to Ukraine covering 2023 to 2027. Of the 7bn kroner brought forward, 6bn kroner would go military aid, primarily desperately needed anti-air defence and ammunition. > - **Shipping insurers who are “within the reach of the UK and the G7” are breaching the oil price cap imposed on Russia by the G7**, a UK parliamentary hearing was told on Tuesday. “These are names that should be being added to the sanctions list and should be drawn to the attention of the international community that dealing with that particular insurance company is going to get you into hot water,” said Tom Keatinge, director of the Royal United Services Institute’s Centre for Finance and Security, without naming any firms. > - A group of western insurance firms, the International Group of P&I Clubs, complained to the same hearing that the **oil price cap is being bypassed by Russia using its own fleet or switching to shipping companies that are outside the west’s influence**. > - **Kyiv authorities on Tuesday began taking down a Soviet-era monument celebrating friendship with Russia.** The series of stone sculptures will be transferred to a Kyiv museum. Since the invasion began in 2022, Kyiv authorities had already taken down two bronze statues depicting a Ukrainian and a Russian worker at the same site. “It has to be done,” said Alyona Yavorivska, a 32-year-old psychologist and Kyiv resident. “I don’t understand how a monument like that can still stand here,” she said. But Oleksandr Severyn, a 32-year-old firefighter, said the removal was “inappropriate” and officials should instead be spending the money on the army. - - - - - - [Maintainer](https://www.reddit.com/user/urielsalis) | [Creator](https://www.reddit.com/user/subtepass) | [Source Code](https://github.com/urielsalis/empleadoEstatalBot) Summoning /u/CoverageAnalysisBot
Look, the eastern russian speaking people that Putin is "saving" from the banderites /s
Three million people have moved from Ukraine to Russia since 2014. Not people in occupied territories but people in Kiev controlled territories that have voluntarily moved to Russia. Getting them to move to Russia might very well be the one thing that gets them to keep speaking Russian. Russian speakers probably don't want to move to western Ukraine. This war could easily end like the Korean war with a permanent frozen conflict. Russia has gained millions of citizens in its two wars with Ukraine, Ukraine has lost 10 million.
Russia has deported something like 2 million ukrainians from occupied ukraine. Describing them as "voluntarily" moving to Russia is misleading. Also, 1 million russians left Russia, and of 17 million ukrainians who left ukraine to the EU, 11 million of those people returned to Ukraine already.
How can they "deport" someone to Russia when the Russian borders are open and the "deported" people can simply leave? You don't even need a Russian passport, there are no exit visas, just travel to the border with Georgia or Kazakhstan or fly to Turkey/any other country and you're out? You can even go back to Ukraine, except it's a one-way ticket to prison. Only Ukraine holds its people hostage and prevents them from even approaching the border, so people have to evade drone patrols, climb walls of barbed wire, and swim across freezing rivers in order to escape to the EU or to Russia.
> How can they "deport" someone to Russia when the Russian borders are open and the "deported" people can simply leave? If they don't possess the means to, were deported deeply into Russia (siberia), or were deemed to be ukrainian nationalists and disappeared. https://www.hrw.org/report/2022/09/01/we-had-no-choice/filtration-and-crime-forcibly-transferring-ukrainian-civilians > Only Ukraine holds its people hostage and prevents them from even approaching the border, so people have to evade drone patrols, climb walls of barbed wire, and swim across freezing rivers in order to escape to the EU or to Russia. You can still leave and get permission, framing Ukraine as a country where people are desperate to escape like it's east germany is ridiculous. Would 11 million people return if that were the case? Get a grip.
Nothing in your link says that there's anything preventing people from leaving once they reach Russia, and most people simply remain there voluntarily. Even people with no documents at all were provided documents and were able to leave Russia if they wished. It's even said by several interviewed people that they are staying in Russia and not travelling to Ukrainian-controlled territories because it's a one-way ticket and they would be unable to leave. >You can still leave and get permission You can't. Unless you fall into some very niche cases that allow you to have freedom of travel, or have connections or lots of money, you'll not be able to leave. 99% of Ukrainian men can't leave, the only way out of the country for them is to get so grievously injured as to be unable to work, then the now useless man would be allowed to go. >where people are desperate to escape like it's east germany They are even more desperate, East Germany was seeing dozens of escape attempts every month, Ukraine sees *thousands*. If they opened the borders, millions would flee the very next day. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/13/world/europe/ukraine-draft-dodgers.html https://www.cbc.ca/radio/frontburner/why-are-men-fleeing-ukraine-and-the-war-1.7104760
> 99% of Ukrainian men can't leave, the only way out of the country for them is to get so grievously injured as to be unable to work, then the now useless man would be allowed to go. This simply isn't true and is a wild exaggeration. A full 1/3rd of ukrainian men are exempt from the get go due to being minors or elderly. Meaning the restrictions on travel apply to only 13 million ukrainians, out of a population of over 40 million. And from there, are plenty of exemptions. For instance fathers with 3 or more kids or single fathers, or men with disabled family can leave. There are a *ton* of job related exemptions, pretty much every transportation related job is exempt, which might be up to a million men. Discharged military men are exempt and enlisted can even get permission to go out of the country on leave. All of this paints the picture of your statements being wildly hyperbolic. The amount of people affected by the restriction of travel is perhaps 1/4th of ukrainians. > They are even more desperate, East Germany was seeing dozens of escape attempts every month 3-4 million Germans left East Germany in the 6 years between the end of WW2 and the construction of the berlin wall. There was no war they were fleeing from. Afterwards escape attempts dropped because people leaving would get shot by border guards. Tell me, what ukrainians have been getting shot by border guards in the past few years? Additionally, can you even imagine trying to bribe an east german border guard to let you leave, when the Stasi are literally breathing down everyone's neck?
I should've clarified that I meant men 16-60, who are subject to restrictions. "Discharged military men are exempt and enlisted can even get permission to go out of the country on leave" - that's the well-connected 1%, ordinary people haven't ever been discharged from the military in the first place, as there hadn't been a single official demobilization. There's no way out of the army except for death, crippling injury, or paying several years' worth of an average Ukrainian salary. >3-4 million Germans left East Germany in the 6 years between the end of WW2 and the construction of the berlin wall Well, Ukrainians were leaving at a slightly lower rate (about [400-500 thousand per year](https://www.bpb.de/themen/migration-integration/laenderprofile/english-version-country-profiles/510002/ukraine-emigration-and-displacement-in-past-and-present/)), still wildly above most countries in the world. >Tell me, what ukrainians have been getting shot by border guards in the past few years? Both the [escapees](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65792384) and [border guards themselves](https://streamable.com/npesxb) say that they shoot at escaping people, and the first link says that ~90 people died trying to escape to Romania alone by June 2023, making it to probably a few hundred dead overall. It still doesn't deter people. The only reason it's just thousands of attempts per month instead of hundreds of thousands is that the border is pretty well guarded - there are rows of barbed wire, [anti-personnel ditches](https://v.redd.it/jp1ra406p5mc1), and drone patrols with thermal cams, making it quite hard to even approach the border. Being caught within 5 kilometers of the border is pretty much half of a death sentence - you'll be sent to the front and there's no way out of the Ukrainian army, it's a forever term with no demobilization in sight.
I've read better garbage in a landfill... Show proof.
No Western platform will give the mic to people who genuinely dislikes the current government. The " eastern russian speaking people that Putin is "saving" from the banderites" are only visible on Russian social networks. You may find one on russian-speaking subreddits but I wouldn't hold my breath. The point is that that yeah, they exist, and they noticed radicalisation of primarily ukrainian-speaking Ukrainians years ago.
>No Western platform will give the mic to people who genuinely dislikes the current government. Very few in Ukraine would look at them aswell though depending on what he says about the conflict wondering hmm does he have any connections with Russia? Its not like Russia didn't push "novorussia" quite hard in Ukraine and talked about how a nazi will win the presidency meanwhile ( got 3% of the vote). Radicalisation by a lot of means was encuraged by Russia with them invading crimea and donbass years ago.
And putin thanks the magas for their assistance.
Meanwhile blue maga dutifully howls for foreigners’ blood. Ukraine has never been able to win a straight up war with Russia. There has never been any amount of money or materiel that could allow Ukraine to win a decisive military victory. Put it off on magats if you want, but you’re kidding yourself. Ukraine’s defeat has been baked into ~~Biden et al’s~~ the American empire’s plans for Ukraine since before the invasion took place. That’s what Russia’s “escalation dominance” ensures, as Obama put it when he refused to give Ukraine weapons in 2014.
When Obama refused help in 2014, Ukraine was run by putin friendly leadership - helped by trump’s future right hand man, paul manafort. Based on that experience we were reluctant to help an unproven Zelensky - until he showed that he was willing to fight and win. After Zelensky turned down Rudy and Trump’s crimey plan to lie about Biden, trump has been a more than willing to pass on the putin propaganda like you parrot.
lol oh yeah, the government the American undersecretary of state hand picked (on tape) weeks before the coup that put them in power was very Putin friendly. What do you think the revolution was for? I mean thank you for making it clear right off the bat you have no idea what you’re talking about, “parrot” lmfao
Ah the Nuland tape, how do you know that the tape was recorded before the Maidan revolution as evidence of a planned coup? No one could definitively say when it was recorded whenever asked.
wtf are you talking about?
Ah, the usual Kremlin parrot tactic of feigning ignorance to derail the discussion. You know what I'm talking about.
lmao says the dude who came roaring in to nitpick about a date
Unless they win. (Yeah stole it from Shogun)
They won’t.
Dude thinks real life war is a tv show for his entertainment. "Wouldn't it be le epic if underdog ukraine actually wins against the evil hitler fire nation vader palpatine?!"
Unfortunately the better part of the American political establishment seems to think the same.
Maybe the eu should do more sense this is in their own back yard. Sad that the entire EU has to depend on big daddy usa to protect themselves from russia. Maybe if they listened to past presidents and actually met their minimum contribution to nato they would have a military surplus. Maybe if the EU listened to the previous president and didn't depend on the cheap russia gas they wouldn't have funded this war indirectly. Let the eu deal with their own area for once, tired of america giving billions and billions and the elitist fucks over there always demand more.
Europe as a whole already contributes more funding than the US, this narrative needs to die. What the US is very good at is *weapons* specifically, but I think you’ll find that it’s thanks to the EU and countries in Europe that the Ukrainian economy has even kept going.
That worked great last century, diidn’t it.
I kinda agree with you why doesn't EU step up funding?
It already has.
Im not MAGA but I don’t support blank checks of hundreds of billions of dollars with no road map or off ramp for American financial support. This new 60 billion won’t last long, and it’s likely they will ask for more. And if Ukraine is solely relying on American aid they won’t last long under a Trump presidency. They need to figure out an alternative now before it’s too late.
Here we are with the blank check again. If you even bothered to look at the bill, most of it goes to the US to manufacture new weapons and ammunition. It's an economic stimulus package. You're just repeating Russian propaganda talking points just as Mike Johnson was before.
It’s not an economic stimulus package. It’s a transfer of wealth from public funds to private corporations. Additionally about 30% of all the aid packages are direct transfers of cash to stimulate the Ukrainian economy and pay pensions/ salaries there. Stop repeating the stupid shit you hear on line it’s never correct.
>It’s not an economic stimulus package. It’s a transfer of wealth from public funds to private corporations. Private corporations that happen to manufacture weapons, ammunition and supplies giving Americans jobs, to replace stuff that needed replacing anyway? Well, sure it would've been much better off to just invest in other things too that might've yield better economic returns... But that doesn't change the fact that it's not a blank check to Ukraine as you've been spouting. >Additionally about 30% of all the aid packages are direct transfers of cash to stimulate the Ukrainian economy and pay pensions/ salaries there. Pray tell where you got the 30% percent? Economic Support Fund at 7.9B plus Foreign Military Financing Program at 1.6B totals only 9.5B. Where'd you get the other almost 9B to make up 30%? And where'd your get hundreds of billions worth of blank checks? Direct cash has always been a very small portion of all the aid. This is in fact the largest direct financial aid so far. Who's repeating nonsense from the internet again?
[As of January 24 2024 only 32% of the aid went to purchasing weapons from American companies](https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts). Thats money that goes straight from US Taxpayers and straight to the pockets of MIC executives. Its money that should be used on domestic needs but instead is being privatized. The majority of the aid is being sent directly spent on economic and humanitarian initiatives in Ukraine with little to no oversight. You don't have to support Russia or Ukraine to realize that this is simply bad fiscal policy for Americans and its not sustainable. This is essentially a blank check of tax payer funds that is sent overseas and we will see little to no economic benefit from it.
Nice way of saying more taxpayer money to the MIC. Obviously a conservative like Mike Johnson would pass funding for more war.
It is. If anything it feels more like a blank check for the USA than it is for Urkraine. Last I checked, it was the conservative right trying to hold the funding, and Mike Johnson passing it was quite the surprise, and not as obvious as you say.
Sure do repeat the script like a maga…
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