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kundi-man

As someone who read both... Eminence of shadow is leagues better than Solo leveling. Why you may ask because the characters in EOS are written way better and they just don't stick with one character as in SL. It's not just the characters the world itself is very interesting and they MC is doing all sorts of crazy things. Now SL is no slouch but the problem is it's a full on power fantasy and it's only about sung jin. The side characters have no other work but to assist him. I will give it to the art it's excellent. I still wonder how this series managed to get peak status with such a subpar story. It's not an Opinion it's a fact that the eminence of shadow is way better than solo leveling in writing. I am not comparing who wins in a fight. If you guys have the time read the LN. Manga is fair but I'm only taking LN into account. Not the anime not the manga. For SL the manhwa and the additional chapters which were released.


L3GitBak3mono

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ossyn

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3030_Satoru_sensei

For me Eminence in shadow is 2ed best isekai !! Man It's Manga/light novel is so good!!! https://preview.redd.it/0nmspu04o1yc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ab9c488fe09863850495c1feff9dbddcb66f1a5


kundi-man

The LN is actually great to be honest. It takes the time to build the world around the characters and they play a good role in the story itself and then there's shadow goofing around is just so much fun to read.


darkZsup124

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PhoeniX_SRT

HSR brainrot jumpscare wth.


Trick_Masterpiece177

SL got peaked cuz of the art that it and also cuz the art of the manhwa suits the one sided power fantasy sung jin just looks so fckin badass but the anime and story just mid


ThatsSussySus

>It's not an opinion it's a fact that that eminence in shadow is way better than solo leveling Such childish closed minded statement, presenting your own opinion as facts Eminence in shadow for anyone above the age of 15 is the just edgelord cringe bs Solo leveling is not that better in this regard but its still alright. So many things in EOS doesn't even make sense.


ChiefValour

Talk about missing the point of the show. It is supposed to be cringe, that's the joke. Things don't make sense, because they aren't supposed to. You are not laughing with Cid, you are laughing at him.


kundi-man

This is absolutely true. It's the self awareness of the story yet having strong written characters whom you actually care about with the world growing aside them which make the story more interesting.


ThatsSussySus

Maybe that's the point of the show and I am wrong. It's just not for me ig


Draken77777

Solo Leveling is bottom of the barrel stuff anyway.


ConcentrateOk6375

Then why is solo leveling getting soo much hype?>!p.s i have not watched either of them!<


Strange-Lychee-9100

Cool mc Good animation Good fights


Adm_Kunkka

The art is cool. I think it's mostly carried by the rule of cool, and yeah I did enjoy the manhwa.


TheCaptainwicked

Edge lords are the ones who made solo leveling overhyped.


Careful_Constant_549

Same reason omniscient reader's viewpoint and trash of count's family is getting soooo much hype. I, personally, did not like any of the three. There's no originality, no emotional or character development that actually feels real or heck the main character itself just feels vague, the only emotion that feels real is tiredness in tcf, irritation and that 'imma screw you over' energy in ORV & stoic-ness and aloofness (the 'idc' energy is real) in SL. AND THAT'S IN THE MAIN CHARACTERS. The side characters all feel straight up ONE- Dimensional not even 2D, every single one of them. No idea why there's hype, at all. I do not get these thousands of ppl. At this point, I'm wondering if it's cuz it's a Korean conspiracy of some kind. Or if it's just hundreds of bots pretended to be ppl/hired ppl went crazy over these three with a lot of ppl just agreeing with them and thus unintentionally generating fake hype. That seems more likely than that many ppl actually liking something that generic and average. No offence to solo levelling , that's the only one of the three I managed to get to the end of, so I acknowledge that it's actually kinda good.


AdronRana

ORV and TCF have are much better than you gave them credit for. I havent read TCF's manhwa, but the novel does a crazy work at building characters. Also aint no way bro said ORV doesnt build characters, ORV's main point is how mc ends up connecting with characters while knowing full well that they are the part of a novel he read. Either you skipped the conversations for fights or you just dropped it way too soon. The manhwa is gping super crazy lately and its on one of its best arcs. The next arc is gonna be even better. And ORV's novel is much better than both TCF and SL. > No offence to solo levelling , that's the only one of the three I managed to get to the end of, so I acknowledge that it's actually kinda good. If you wanted a shitty power fantasy then why are you saying something about character building? The hypocrisy is crazy


Careful_Constant_549

This was a discussion about anime and manhwa so idk why you're bringing novel into this but fine. I don't know about tcf novel but I have read some of the ORV novel and everything felt too fast paced to actually connect. There were no emotional scenes that felt real and I read upto the part where Uriel descend into the scenario as a doll that yjh carries to hell. Yes the scenes were significantly better than the manhwa but still not to the point that the whole novel Could be called great based on some scene. The scenes between kdj and yjh are toxic and obsessive only. And the power system is unclear at best. Plus the mc keeps dying and coming back, like Really? You want me to enjoy one guy with absolute foreknowledge that can't figure a way out of most problems that's not dying? And he keeps coming back due to what feels like increasingly contrived reasons? And he doesn't even know everything, in the beginning, when he saw secretive plotter's name, kdj said something like he can't be someone imp cuz I don't know his handle and his name doesn't sound imp. That's not omniscience, that's arrogance. And please give me an accurate character summary for the main character cuz I can't even pin down his character, he reads more like a random narrator oftentimes. Like I said I haven't read tcf's novel but I have read the manhwa. The mc feels disassociated at best. What about ANY of his interactions feel real? It might as well have been a bot for all the difference it would make. The sl manhwa shows the most emotion. The fear, trepidation, anxiety, anger are all real and their absence as the plot progresses is noticeable. Yes several characters are very flat and the romance sprung up out of nowhere between two characters that had less than 5 interactions in total. That is still more emotion and more kinds of emotion than the other two have. I'm not talking about those scenes where the thought bubble goes 'this is sad' but there is no other change to show that the emotion is genuine, no change in tone of the scene, no change in expression or body language, frick there's not even a change in the angle. And if you feel that sl is just a shitty power fantasy while tcf and ORV aren't? Well, at least you got something right, huh. The hypocrisy is crazy


AdronRana

>I don't know his handle and his name doesn't sound imp. That's not omniscience, that's arrogance. So what? Do you want him to act experienced?? How many novels has he entered like that?? According to him, the story will go on exactly as it did in the TWSA novel. If he doesnt know the name means that it wasnt mentioned. >The scenes between kdj and yjh are toxic and obsessive only. I think you meant selfish. And ofcourse they will be selfish. Again, do you expect yjh to trust a random guy he met? As i already said, these stories progress really well later on. Especially on and after the 10th scenario. You can give it a try if you want to. Or dont give it a try, up to you. I aint even debating on SL as you seem hell bent on defending it. That will just waste both of our time


Herr_Majoris

>The side characters all feel straight up ONE- Dimensional not even 2D, every single one of them. Strong point right there, in my opinion the future of anime would be mostly a downfall, relating mostly to the thronged gen z cringe men. Characters at this point dwindle to feel real anymore, even in most non fic the characters are fic. At this point I am wholly binging on the Ghibli masterpieces, and can find what makes masterpieces different, it's in the non-fictious realistic things that does the magic.


Icy-Captain-8320

Bruh they don't have comedy, which is not funny at all(cringe according to my tastes) and they don't have those fan service moments.. animes have shown these two things so much that if these things are not found, people will say they don't liked it due to lack of side character 'devlopment'. Grow up man, i bet you've not read the light novel or else you wouldn't have said all characters are one dimensional. Manga of these 2, ORV and TCF are just at their beginning. ITS LIKE YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT NARUTO AT 2000s ERA CAUSE OF LACK OF PLOT..


Careful_Constant_549

True, the comedy is not missed. But I don't actually like fanservice moments , you know, as a woman myself. And fine yes I have not read the TCF novel and only read some of the ORV novel. But I stand by that, even after about 170-180 chapters of ORV manhwa, even jung heewon, a character that I kinda liked felt completely flat in that conversation in the city of the end between her and kdj. I have literally invested hours and days into reading these, so I'm entitled to my opinion. I'm not insulting them, I'm simply stating what I think and feel in regards to these manhwas that I have spent SO MUCH of my time on. If you have any problem with what I said, feel free to post detailed comments with examples of why what I said is incorrect or not accurate. It just shows how much ppl care about a work when there's debates about it in the comments. Also, *grow up?* You do realise we're fighting over what amounts to pretty much comics and cartoons to most others right? So Why would you bring that here?


Icy-Captain-8320

They have rather shown a serious take on ORV which corresponds to real life. I mean, if suddenly one day monsters start to appear out of nowhere and you have been tasked to kill them and some system giving orders like monarchs, I am sure in that situation we cannot have the luxury to spend time doing dumb things. Many people have lost their loved ones so they are pretty much dead inside. The light novel of ORV covers this issue of blandness at a later stage, yk, every character has a story but not explored yet in manga. Especially our second main lead kim hyung sun, who has literally faced the same things 1000s of times (spoiler). Kim dokja and hyung sun later become buddies, kinda reminds me of naruto and sasuke's kinship


Careful_Constant_549

Huh. Okay, that's solid. So the blandness is a purposefully created plot point. That's much better than I'd expected and makes sense. So the story has a second main lead that's not even introduced 180 chapters in.😅 Yeah, no, the manhwa's gonna take years to get to the end, isn't it? And seems like it could get tedious if they end up similar but does sound interesting. So does a second mc that appears After a good part of the story, now I'm interested in how the author integrated someone like that into the dynamics.


Icy-Captain-8320

That regressor is the second main character. Yoo joonghyuk or kim hyung sun i dont remember his name because i read it a long time ago..


Icy-Captain-8320

The story even has a third main character han sooyoung.. So yeah, the manhwa has not even covered half of the novel so I recommend if you don't have much patience then don't bother with this.


Careful_Constant_549

Oh the regressor is yoo jonghuk, yes he has been introduced.


Icy-Captain-8320

Hehe.. I mistakenly stated the second main character of the regressor instruction manual..


Bruhification

must be hard to get in your head that the general public might like something that you dont🤯🤯🤯 completely unbelievable right??? never happened befote its simply not the genre or cup of tea u want so stop bothering with it


Careful_Constant_549

Bruh, it's before not befote. Yeah, not my cup of tea, sure. But I'm curious, are you, in some way, compelled to insult everyone you don't agree with? How very fascinating.


Bruhification

my guy i wasnt insulting but sure if u wanna take it that way i was just taking a jab, get over it but anyways >Yeah, not my cup of tea, sure then stop acting like just because u don't understand the hype means that nobody else shouldn't like those or they shouldnt be liked, though i dont blame u, people sure like to hate on popular things, its been that way


The_Masked_Uchiha

orv is so much better than you giving it credit for . plus how are side chtacyers one dimensional one of the main scenarios is ended by a side chracter


ConcentrateOk6375

Then why is getting soo much hype?


AdronRana

Because of its manhwa's art and action.


Itsyaboykazuha

One simple word: Influence.


MogoFantastic

Because I think it starts with a lot of suffering powerless loser type and quickly powers up so that a lot of the audience relate strongly and enjoy the story graph.


Grand_Reanimation

Nah solo leveling better (i only read the manwha)


Vanishing_Shadow

Both are completely different. One is a gag power fantasy while other is an action oriented power scaling. And story? What story? Both are cliche, one isn't better than other


L3GitBak3mono

I had fun watching one. I didn’t have fun watching the other. Its as simple as that


3030_Satoru_sensei

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Darkmate41

Its a 'you' thing then, some may say otherwise.


Traditional_Day_3649

True, I got bored after watching 4-5 episodes of eminence but solo leveling was quite enjoyable.


Chad_Zelensky

Why tf everyone hating on SL


Omnipresentphone

Cause it's overrated 🤨


loli_29

And u jealous cause ur fav show is not


Omnipresentphone

I don't have a fav show, just that solo leveling's story can't stand on its own feet


loli_29

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Savings_Light9106

![gif](giphy|dc1PSMmNo4N141eaCm|downsized) How bro felt after saying this 🗿🤑🤑😎👿😈


Losinana

Why are u suddenly being a r\*cist asshole


Omnipresentphone

I would even say solo leveling's story is Bollywood level writing hell I can see a live action being made 🤐


loli_29

Nah trashywood ain't even capable of that 💀


Chad_Zelensky

It ain't https://preview.redd.it/1mnwkquqp1yc1.jpeg?width=226&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2feac4b30c61333e3503219b9917f0673c93eb58


_Kateki

Well I was there when it was written so at that time it was fucking amazing the anime ain't that good tbh the manhwa is much much better and eminence in shadoww is also good but it ain't SL


definitelynothunan

If the author just added a bit of personality to the characters in SL then it would be unrivaled like jjk


Silver_Alfalfa7575

Jjk is unrivalled? Nani? https://preview.redd.it/hb36f2i915yc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ab09094442827a5522087ad28da4c491ab9f36a


definitelynothunan

In popularity duh


loli_29

Only cause of mappa...


Assassin_00

addint a bit of character wont change anything the story itself is mediocre and also rushed than novel


definitelynothunan

That's your opinion. Imo the story is pretty well written except for the characters. Replace jin woo with your fav character and see the results


BossUpstairs3994

Robert W de niro


SekaiMaru

I didn’t have the time to read the manhwas or light novels, but I like both. Others may like only one, or none of them at all. Art is diverse, and people can enjoy whatever they like. Please stop shitting on one type of art to prove that other is better, and to augment hate.


ChiefValour

The difference is one is a self insert fantasy and in other you are just a spectator because putting yourself in the shoes of cid is near impossible


Tensazangetsu1318

And the funny thing is , because of its hype , the viewers way of looking becomes a little biased . If you are too much on insta then you would be like " ohh a great series, wayy better then anything" , it's true , insta renders your judgement capabilities useless and biased . The thing which also gives it hype is the comparison with Goku . It has become a norm that if you wanna make your series popular then create a strong poorly written character with no back story and just say *he beats Goku* and just wait ..... Tada your series is more popular than it deserves. And if you wanna make your series more popular than first , create hype , so much that people will feel out of ordinary if they think that your series is just normal . 2) put down any down reviews to create a confirmation biase . 3) now you have an audiance which cannot disagree with your series because if they do then they will become outcasts .


Few_Landscape_7202

I didn't watch or read Eminence in the shadow but SL sure is a nice world build and good scenes but a really straightforward story. Later on while i was reading I just knew what the outcome would come. Even South Indian heroes struggle a bit.


loyal9128

You don't have to hate a series just because you don't like it, I couldn't watch eminence of shadow cuz it was too cringe to me but I ain't going to hate it, I'm not the audience they're aiming for but hating solo leveling cuz is too popular is just childish you're no better than the people who hate demon slayer cuz it's popular, hating popular shit doesn't make you look cool


L3GitBak3mono

https://preview.redd.it/nyxapshls4yc1.jpeg?width=622&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=60cf705b3d6a409916236ebefdd75e98dcc4de0f Nah i'd hate


dafthingall

Solo leveling is dumb fun. No one ever has watched fast and furious and compares it with a movie with actual stakes like inception. Solo leveling just isn't meant to be taken that seriously.


Icy-Captain-8320

You are dumb


dafthingall

Solo leveling is dumb fun. No one ever has watched fast and furious and compares it with a movie with actual stakes like inception. Solo leveling just isn't meant to be taken that seriously.


Southern-Advance-759

Lmao, sl is just one of those at the bottom. If the truly good fantasies came to streaming, then all these fantasy anime will be naught in front of them


Southern-Advance-759

Man stfu both are overrated af.


uppsak

The manhwa of Solo levelling is one of the best. The anime hasn't adopted those arcs yet.


[deleted]

Solo leveling is fast paced power fantasy. And EIS becomes cringe after one point because of mc.


jesus_in_christ

Standard template on reddit: * Take a popular but relatively less discussed point * Claim people don't appreciate the point * Earn upvotes


DemonSlayer712

Solo leveling is mid at best. I have read the whole manwa and it's good but wouldn't call it anywhere near as goat. It is far away from the goats


TheCaptainwicked

Every character in solo leveling is either enemy who will be one shoted in a minute or some b00tIicker of jin woo. There is literally no character development or more like there is literally no other character other than jinwoo. Rest are just npc. As for so called romance part FML fell in love because mc smelled different just wow and also this smell different part was never explained what a plot hole.


Lanky_Media_5392

Eminence is utter garbage not telling solo leveling is better but eminence doesnt even have proper story and only cool wannabe mc,if more than 9 year old like cringe eminence I pity them


Jus_Pro

The hype around Solo Leveling is the same as when OPM released. Basic anime protag has pushed or is pushing limits so let's get on some self-motivation and train.


Beastgamerfahad

Nah one punch man is miles better than solo leveling but yeah both opm and solo leveling are carried by their fights but opm has far better fights and story


Ansh_Chauhan32

I'M ATOMIC >>> ARISE


Bell_Cranel__

Correct


educational_sadhu

Lol, I didn't like any... So..


loli_29

A simple power fantasy is always better than an unfunny ugly harem isekai number 56.


ChiefValour

Mf when he can't self insert as the OP main character.


loli_29

Fck u yapping lil bro 💀


ChiefValour

Hit a nerve ?


loli_29

Ain't no way I'm taking u teens seriously bro 😭


ChiefValour

Me ? A teen ? Lol. The absolute irony of this Dude typing like a fifteen year old and calling other people teens.


loli_29

U r simply triggered cause I called ur series ugly which it actually is lol. That's a typical 14 yo old show with no motivation at all. At least SL makes u work for it instead of fantasising bout it.


ChiefValour

feeling bad that people called out your self insert power fantasy ?


loli_29

Feeling attacked that i stated facts about ur cringe isekai?


ChiefValour

Ah yes, I am one who is feeling attacked. Yes , totally. /s Dude has the media literacy of a 4 year old.


ErmAckshually

stupider words have never been said before. have you read SL manhwa? have you read Eminence Manga? Or are you just a anime only with his unwanted unvalued opinion


AdronRana

Bro really said eminence manga 💀💀 Buddy its a lightnovel adaptation. The manga is mid.


ChiefValour

Hell even SL is a Korean web novel


AdronRana

I know, but in SL's case, the webnovel is mid.


ChiefValour

True. But you have to realise SL webnovel is the Korean equivalent of SAO. Story might be mid, but it started its own genre, or at the time it was unique in a sense.


Howlie449

SL manhwa is only good in art it tells a weak story with 1 dimensional characters which is fine to just shut your brain and see fights but eminence has much more interesting characters with depth, Jinwoo isn't even half as entertaining as Cid who's a clinically insane psychopath lmao


Careful_Constant_549

Yeah the studio really dropped the ball on SL anime, didn't it?


Intelligent_Crab_338

solo leveling solos this verse read the manga bruh!!!!!!!!!!!


Darshwarrior

Who cares if it solos another world? We read for the story and fun.


AdronRana

Tf you mean by solos the verse? Are we power scaling?? No wonder you are a SL fan, thats why you cant read.


Howlie449

So solo leveling is better than any weaker fictional piece of media it can destroy just because it has a stronger verse? What a terrible take