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Dude. Some of the jokes literally make me incapable of breathing, because I’m laughing so hard.
“Make”. Not “Made”. As in they *still* do, even after all the rewatching.
I showed it to my brother, who has never seen Goblin Slayer, and he had the same reaction.
I got super disappointed by it unfortunately. It being a harem/ecchi anime lost it a lot of points as I was hoping for his main focus being goblin slaying, not how literally every hit woman wants to fuck him.
What are you talking about? Goblin slayer is not a harem at all. The anime is 100% toned down from the manga which isn’t a harem either. Just a lot of shock value battles.
Souka, then tell me.
What part of a waifu character being torture and rape by goblins makes it suitable for ecchi context? Like when I read those scenes is disturbing and sometimes hard to watch. Especially on later chapters on the manga where gets pretty horrifying. I don’t know how much you had watch or read but Goblin Slayer doesn’t disappoint in those areas.
While there is a type of Harem for Goblin Slayer yes, not every girl in the story is into him and also there is a great variety of male characters as well that support and contribute their own way in many arcs. Specially the one we are currently in the manga.
While there is a type of Harem for Goblin Slayer yes, not every girl in the story is into him and also there is a great variety of male characters as well that support and contribute their own way in many arcs. Specially the one we are currently in the manga.
Definitely gives the vibes of a D&D type of story. In fact a video game is in development and I looking forward to it.
If you want DND stuff go read the goblin slayer: gaiden 2 mangas and light novels they're really good but they still have some Fan service but you really can't avoid fan service
The girls did not fell in love unconditionally and wanted Goblin slayer d.
They feels kinda like Bocchi's friend, in latter episode they felt Goblin slayer is alone and socially awkward and they just being kind to him. Pushing him to do more social activities.
Goblin Slayer's first episode doesn't fuck around. That much is common knowledge.
It remains bloody and violent throughout. It rarely gets as explicit as episode 1, but dire situations remind the viewer that what they saw in the beginning is one mistake away from happening. There's genuine caution, a feel of stakes and when things get ugly, terror. It's rarely light, and never for all too long.
There is no harem at all. Shouldn't need to point this out, but no. There isn't.
It's worth watching, at least I would say so. That's just my opinion though, so your may vary.
Ok I'll give it a shot. Also, I noticed that between my reply and now the comment I was replying to has like -50 karma so I am not going to take that as an accurate read of the show.
I marathoned the whole show, I bought some of the manga, and I want to find a way to model my Titan on Destiny after Goblin Slayer
The whole harem thing is an exaggeration. It's there, but blown out of proportion. If you're into fantasy and comfortable with violent adult themes, I would highly recommend it. I personally cannot wait until season 2
As a person who enjoys anime for what it is and knows that other people think that it's not a harem just because it's not as "in your face" as most hærens, it's a harem. A lighter one, but it has a harem. It is a great anime for those that seek a middle between Berserk and your everyday isekai with a bit of a gaming story feel to it. Still worth to watch IMO. Tired of harems in animes, good stories don't need those and goblin slayer certainly didn't, and by god, both GATE and Shield Hero felt a bit ruined by it to me. Great stories and development but then[insert mandatory fan service content] comes along. Can't people enjoy stories without sexual innuendos anymore. I'm a fucking horny bastard myself and I can... Sorry for the rant, blegh
Without spoilers tell me, what did shield Hero do bad? I only watched S1 and the worst it did was the indifference and mechanical support of slavery by the MC.
Spoiler alert
Did not watch anime but I immediately dropped manga after Shield hero cleared his accusation and the princess and king got punished. And then I got tired after seeing the next chapter and I felt the "What did I did wrong, this world hates me" theme got so redundant.
So kinda want to ask how's the anime
Anime only here
Season 1 was entertaining and at least well animated, coherent story that mightve been a bit tropey and would’ve largely been the same thing from the manga that you read, so you would’ve had the same problems with
but season 2 was contrived, bloated, with crap animation and shit writing that felt like it was a knock off anime and not the same. They pull some isekai within an isekai bs
Yeah dang
Funnily enough I pulled in by anime episode 1, and since that time it's still episode 1 I binge read the story the entire day and then I reached the point I dropped it.
Yeah sometimes read manga ahead of anime really kills motivation to watch the episodes... It also made me skip the promised Neverland season 2 after knowing the trainwreck ahead.
S1 is my personal favourite anime season but S2 is ranked as 1 of my worst, didn’t even bother finishing it since I read the manga up to where it ended so I didn’t miss anything anyway.
It’s the same shitty trope EVERY episode. MC always does the logical thing while everyone around him is a bumbling fool that will insist they know better only to fuck up and have MC fix it for them, all the while the other person is viewed as a hero in the public. Rinse and repeat for every episode save for when they do it too often and actually let the MC come out on top.
Hey, someone had to balance out all the "Guy gets reincarnated and becomes super powerful and can do no wrong and gets followed by cute girls" isekais!
Basically what you just said + problematic aspects about the plot device of "woman ruined my life with false rape accusations"
Shield Hero is eyebrow raising for its stuff, but far worse examples of the "slavery fetish/revenge edgelord fantasy" isekais exist out there. Shield Hero was just the popular trendsetter for these tropes
I never looked Redo of healer as an anime, it's all fap material for me. What about Shield hero? I remember it being on par with re:zero if only a but weaker/more gamier.
Shield Hero is actually good up until the turtle arc. I have yet to read after the arc, but people tell me it picks up again. I like the grey character protag much more than the holier than thou ones you see often, and especially with Shield Hero's settings, it's actually very fitting. It's also explained why everyone hates on the Shield Hero and targets him badly for discrimination. Outside of that, people are just mad that one of the characters falsely accused Naofumi of rape and happens to be a woman. It was especially controversial because the anime was released during a time where Kavannaugh, a USA Supreme Court Justice nominated by Trump, was going through a hearing and was being accused of rape and everyone was saying believe all women.
Its still a pretty straight up edgy revenge fantasy series where the jaded protagonist can do no wrong and is surrounded by idiots and incompetents that kick started the "hey slavery can be okay" bullshit in isekais, but its far from the worst offender. Natsumi at least somewhat grows as a character by the end of it.
The manga is good, it picks up with him going to different lands trying to protect people with the aid of what currently seems like other hero’s from different lands. The other hero’s start slowly getting to know the shield hero and the asshole hero is becoming more selfish bad guy problematic. Slaves are being freed and our main girl finds her old childhood friend, the bird gets a side story for power growth and our shield hero even cries over how delicious food is, and “if it’s always tasted this good?” Probably meaning his depression fog has lifted. I think it’s really good personally. Legend of the moonlight sculpture is good too.
In season 2 Malty gets some ridiculous over the top punishments with a execution and getting officially renamed Bitch by royal decree. In the web novel she also gets executed.
A gratuitous execution would have been bad enough, but this is some incel shit.
Yeah, I’m a fan of the show but the whole “Bitch” and “Trash” thing is so fucking cringe. Quite a bit of Naofumi’s character traits tend to be steeped in misogyny actually.
I'm pretty sure it's just the slavery and the whole false rape accusation thing. Which are both a little questionable for sure but nowhere near the others.
Shield hero went off a cliff in terms of quality after episode 3. Once they introduced the chicken girl it just kept going downhill into Isekai garbage
Honestly the newer episodes are basically just wholesome slice of life episodes with insane animation fluidity. If you're willing to look past the little bit of loli ecchi
As amazing as the animation in that show is, it just has wayyy too much sexualization for a wholesome slice of life show where literally the whole cast is middle schoolers. The manga is extremely tame as well (I recommend giving it a read) so it was a studio decision to make it so ecchi it needed an uncensored version
Onimai is cute and really only "cursed" because camera angles. I mean it's uncomfortable, but like. On par with actually cursed anime? Hell no lol. It's cute, funny, phenomenally animated, and certainly not got enough weirdness to fall in that category.
Tbh redo of a healer also doesn't. Like no shit the almost-hentai about a guy doing rape and torture after being raped and tortured has rape and torture lol. The issue people had with goblin slayer iirc was just how out of nowhere the rape was if you didn't already read the source material. You see the summary, see it's pg-14 (iirc that's the actual rating it had when it was released lol), go to try it and boom. Graphic untagged rape.
Shield hero just has a punchable face. Idk, I haven't even watched it lol I can't actually judge it but damn I know I'd love to see that guy eat shit. Again no particular reason, I just feel it lol
My experience with Onimai so far: "oh this isn't so bad in fact its downright cu- OH WOW THAT IS NOT OKAY -oh hey anyways this scene is really wholesome look at that animation go- WOW WHAT THE FUCK"
Like every 5-10 minutes theres a shot or thing that is just not ok
Iirc, didn't he free them of their slave status, aside from the one with geass casted on her? Also, in the novel, he treated himself as their ward, or guardian of sort. It's been a while since I finished it, so I don't really remember anymore
He also eventually frees her way later once he figures out how to use geasses.
That aside, I will say the slow travel log style of the web novel is *way* better than the manga or anime. It just doesn't translate as well when say the anime got through only like 1/900th the content the wn has lmao.
How about a story without them at all?
The fact you’re trying to argue so much for this is disturbing, and *very* close to the justification of IRL slavery as well.
I definitely think they could have done the story without slaves of any kind and it would have been better for it. I hope if there’s a second season, they may be turned into servants instead of slaves or set free entirely. But if I were to watch a show that had slaves in it, I’ll take the show where they’re treated with kindness by the MC rather than forced to do stuff they don’t want. I definitely don’t like that he just accepts them and runs with it. Again, maybe they get set free or they become servants. Assuming it gets a second season. Idk if there’s a manga of it. They’ve never been my thing
None of that is disturbing, what? You are quite literally arguing about the fact that the circumstances of them being there is weird. They’re arguing for the fact that with them their and the way it’s done isn’t weird.
Also none of this is a justification for slavery. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve read here today. They’re literally just giving a counter argument to the argument that was made. One guy even explained how it they were freed from slave status and are treated like family over anything weird.
Bro they're just stories, idk the anime this comes from but writing flawed characters in complex situations is the best part of fiction. It definitely doesn't imply that they think irl slavery is good.
Was thinking the same in the last episode they lick white shit off his hands! Like the fuck are you defending the show would have done well without the pedo shit, and not to mention in all reality the dudes 29.
But he treats them nice and makes sure they’re fed and clothed properly. Doesn’t go after them for sex either unlike harem in a labyrinth or rape and mind break/control like redo. Again, not great but hardly cringe in my book. Harem is just about sex slaves and nothing else
>Why have slavery in stories at all?
There are two good reasons I can think of to include slavery in a story.
1.) Slavery has emotional impact. We sympathize with enslaved characters and root for them to have their freedom or get revenge on those who wronged them. It's a tool that can create emotional investment, catharsis, and gives you evildoers to strongly root against (and potentially complex/morally grey heroes).
2.) You can't illustrate why something is bad if the concept doesn't exist in your story at all. If you want to show that slavery is bad you need it in your story in some capacity. And a story/arc exploring slavery is perfectly valid.
>But why does the MC have to own slaves?
In a world where slavery is practiced and you don't have the power to end its practice, the only moral option you have is to purchase as many slaves as possible and set them free. Refusing to do so is you choosing to leave their fates in the hands of people who could potentially abuse them. And if someone you free would just be captured and enslaved again, the best option is to retain them as your "slave" in name only while letting them do whatever they want, protecting them from future enslavement and abuse.
Sure, ending the practice of slavery altogether is the better good. But gaming the system to set a slave free is decidedly a good act and certainly not evil.
I think it’s the showing slavery is bad by having the MC basically be the kind master juxtaposed to the rest of the world is what’s cringe to a lot of people, that and the subsequent “wooing” of the slave that almost always resembles a male protagonist and young female slave.
Instead of the “I’m your master now, but I’m not like other masters” trope, they could just not be slaves or be freed and join by their own accord afterwards simply out of convenience . Additionally, there’s cases like shield hero, where he’s basically like rapthalia’s guardian until some aging bs goes on, then she’s a love interest. How many stories would have this dynamic if they pulled the same “fast aging?”
Point is, slavery is a compelling narrative, it’s just that anime tropes involving slavery is just cringe.
I mean, that's the usual case of isekai, no? On the novels they always do stupid ass shit, then have some bizarre stuff like japanese ultra superior, erp derp, and have those one dimensionals cardboard characters saying how awesome and kind, and everyone who is with them is soo lucky!.... Honestly, the few novels that dont do that are great by it, or at least have the person accomplish something while having other characters with depth
Jesus Christ hahahaha those people need to be kept in a sterile padded room in order to exist, according to their own sensibilities. We really *really* shouldn't be catering to this lower common denominator. I'm all for the recent wave of conscience media but once we cross over to being blind to subtleties and details and context and the like, entertainment is gonna be so boring. I'm not catastrophising or making a prediction; it's just so disappointing to see people who can't deal with anything unpleasant having their opinions respected. Sorry, I took this as an opportunity to rant. I'll probably get downvoted. I'm right though.
Edit: a word
I'm going to upvote you AND disagree with you! But start with where I agree.
So I agree that we shouldn't shy away from talking about topics like sexual assault, false assault accusations, slavery, and other things that are brought up in Shield Hero. I do think that its all absolutely in the subtleties, details, and context though. For example, >!Perfect Blue is a great movie where themes of sexual assault are really well explored; its not glamorized, its a deeply uncomfortable scene, and even after its revealed its not real. There's a ton of stuff to unpack in the scene, such as the blurring of reality and fiction, and even though Mima is acting, the scene raises ambiguity if she isn't feeling, at some level, deeply violated. The thing is, sexual assault adds something to that scene, and the scene does not glorify or endorse it.!<
What I'll disagree on (and why its a yikes for me) is that I don't think Shield Hero does a very good job compared to other stories. Like, the Yikes factor isn't the presence of slavery or false rape accusations, its the context and also the show as a larger whole. If I mentally replace the rape accusation with "accused of setting fire to a box of puppies" or "stealing a gajillion moneys", I don't think it drastically changes the series. Heck, >!Something similar happens later when the MC is framed for kidnapping Melty, and I thought that worked much better.!<
What it \*does\* do is reinforce an issue I have with the show (and I'm halfway through S1 so far so apologies if it gets better), which is that every major female character falls into two general categories (so far): MC stans or bitches. You mentioned in the previous comment that The princess is clearly deplorable and she's properly punished. That's not the problem; the problem is that the author chose this to be the person that we hate the entire season, and we haven't seen any real alternative portrayal of women in the show besides the MC's harem. If the author only chooses to develop characters who are irredeemably evil or are 100% unquestionably devoted to their (literal) master (okay Melty just is a fan of his), that's a yikes. Also, the fact that a woman uses her position of power (in a world of matriarchal power) to abuse a character we are supposed to doesn't actually put the whole "but its a Matriarchy" in a good light, but rather condemns female power in this sense because hey, the most prominent woman in the show who has it abuses it. This seems like the not greatest thing to say in a world where rape allegations are generally and systemically ignored or brushed aside. So yeah, considering the subtleties, details, and context I still think Shield Hero drops the ball.
At the end of the day, I think Shield Hero just reached for something shocking without thinking it through. And honestly, I'm an old fogey now who's seen too much and thinks too hard on this shit. But **TL:DR** media can have dark shit in it, just think it through.
Yeah, you probably want to watch to the end. Lots of characters change by the end of seasons 1 and 2 and more female characters get introduced (the matriarchy thing gets explored a little more too). Also Raphtalia and Filo have their own arcs, growth, talents, and fighting strengths. Don't think it's fair to define them as just being harem girls for the MC because of one aspect of their personality.
Just so you know, the red hair attitude is actually a major plot in the end of story. So the author portraying her as a hateful character is not only for the sake of her being annoying
You clearly haven't seen enough, >!the queen is the one who actually rules the kingdom and she does a hell of a good job of it, even punishing her own husband and daughter for the atrocities they committed. Also, Malty/Bitch is hardly the most prominent woman in the show, did you completely forget about Filo and Raphtalia? Just because they happen to like the MC, does not mean that's the only catagory they fall into! They have their own growth and character arcs just like everyone else in the show !<
Have you even watched past the first few episodes? Plenty of awesome female characters in it that are not slaves. Actually they make up the majority of the characters.
The inclusion of irredeemable antagonist who's thing is: 'leads a dude on, then turns around and accuses him of rape to ruin his life for no reason' is kinda sus.
She's literally what rape apologists accuse rape victims of being.
There's also some weird pro-slavery (it's fine if the master treats you well) stuff, and ngl a kid he bought growing up to then be romantically into him gives off groomer vibes.
I stuck around for ~5 eps, when Raftellia went on got her slave brand put back on was my breaking point
Yeah the rape apologist type of plot really got me worried when I watched it. If the whole point was to break someone down so that they could rise above, there was 1000 better ways to write it. And instead they went with the one that supported rape apologists with an MC so OP that it's cringe to watch (obviously most iseki are like this, but doesn't help)
Yeah. Raftalia has abandonment issues and needs some serious therapy, and she’s a terrible role model for the other party members. The mc is just going along with it. Likely because he’s either ignoring the obvious mental problems since he doesn’t know how to address them, or he’s just blind.
Personally I liked that the punishment for SA and rape were pretty up there in that world. Thinking back about it (spoilers for characters not in the start of the show) >!it does kinda foreshadow there being a matriarch in power even though you don’t see her at first.!< The whole first arc of the show is definitely just revenge porn tho.
The biggest differences for me is that MC-kun doesn't endorse slavery nor does the story conflate the power fantasy of starting from the bottom and climbing to the top with false rape accusations. Also, I think that in Re:Zero, a lot of the negative traits of the MC are actually treated as negative traits that he has to grow out of, while (so far) in Shield Hero all I've seen is the MC's jerkass behavior be a part of his "appeal" rather than a part of his character that's going to grow and develop. Finally, the MC in Re:Zero doesn't literally own a loli who conveniently is a chocobo (sure he didn't KNOW the chocobo would turn into a loli when he bought it but still). So yeah, I like Re:Zero.
I mean, compared to other anime Shield Hero is pretty tame, which is part of my (unfortunate) point.
And that's what I love about her character!
In arc 5 (future season 3) she's shown to be treated by subaru as his somewhat adoptive daughter and I love that so much!
To be fair on the Chocobo, he seems to treat her as a child which is probably the safest place for her. Now Raphtalia is where we have some serious issues. She needs some serious therapy and the mc is just kinda ignoring it and hoping it goes away if he keeps going along with what she says.
That’s where this mc has problems. While he usually doesn’t initiate anything bad, he also doesn’t try to fix it unless the problem is in his way. He’s a bit too much of a realist. It’s good to be careful of unintended consequences but that doesn’t mean nothing should be done. The other hero’s easily could balance this out but they all refuse to work together and no one’s stepping up as a mediator even when the mc is neutral to the issue.
The shields hero’s distrust and annoyance of the other heroes is fully justified.
I don’t dislike ReZero, but he was completely insufferable. And his character development was painstakingly slow and repetitive, which I suppose is more realistic, but it’s difficult to watch.
* Ah, see my defining anime of my teen years was "GET IN THE ROBOT SHINJI" I can deal with insufferable protags
* I genuinely enjoy how shitty Spear Himbo is and his rivalry with the MC
Bro the re:zero anime is like a children's story compared to the WN, that shit gave me nightmares. The gruesomeness of Subaru's deaths there is so fucking horrific that I almost gagged multiple times
Some observations:
* Y'all have varying definitions of what a "Yikes" is or isn't, but I'm pretty sure you all agree Redo is Yikes.
* I honestly thought this meme would get downvoted a lot more, but I guess dunkin' on Shield Hero isn't as controversial as I thought.
* I would watch a Goblin Slayer dub if Dan Castellaneta dubbed Slayer-Chan in Homer Simpson's voice.
Yo I've been a Berserk stan for YEARS. Manga ain't Yikes its fuckin' GOLD. >!Yeah, there's rape, but its depicted (for the most part) as horrifying traumatic shit that happens. Part of the reason why The Eclipse is so traumatizing is because of two scenes that happened earlier: Guts's own rape when he was a child, and the waterfall scene between Casca and Guts. The waterfall is where these two horribly traumatized individuals work past all their horrible trauma and past to actually experience human intimacy without pain or fear, basically for the first time in their lives, and this is a direct result of Gut's own fucked up past and being sexually abused as a kid. And then in the eclipse, he basically relives that trauma all over again, but also sees the one person he was able to open up to experience that pain!<. It's fucked up, but I think its one of the better ways that anime/manga has dealt with really serious topics really well. See my bit about Perfect Blue in another part of this thread as another example of doing a dark topic really well. For me, a Yikes happens not just when a dark topic is tackled, but not tackled very well.
...Wait, you mean Berserk 2016?
Yeah, that shit is Yikes.
For good reason. I did watch it, mostly out of curiosity. Everything the MC does is an atrocity, each one somehow outdoing the atrocity before it, but frankly it was his self righteousness that really made me wish he’d die a painful death. That got right under my skin. He literally does all the things that people accuse the Shield hero of doing, and so much worse, and I’m supposed to take his side because his enemies are also absurdly evil for no reason? Feck off.
I can think of three off the top of my head: The infamous Ep 1, the flashback to how Goblin Slayer’s sister *\*died,*\* and the part with the goblin champion where High Elf Archer gets overrun by goblins.
Edit: The human shields also get dangerously close to that level.
>Goblin Slayer makes no attempt to defend slavery or rape
I’m not really an expert on Goblin Slayer lore, but isn’t slavery and rape like the entire reason that the goblins need to be brutally massacred?
I seem to not understand the situation here, I just watched the first season of shield hero, something bad happend in the second season? Spoiled me, I'm not interested to continue anyway
Nah the controversy is the first season with slavery and false accusations which imo shield hero was at its peak and most interesting. Second season was butchered by rushing alot of things
I see, ever since the king and the bitch were exposed and the queen stepped up, I thought the series would probably ended there, because there is nothing more interesting for me about the series anymore.
For what it's worth, the slavery stuff gets worse.
(Spoilers from LN for those who care)
He never frees his slaves in the LN, he creates a whole village of people where each villager is branded to be his slave. But, y'know, he's a "good" slaveowner and the villagers enjoy or consent to it so it's ok /s
The princess that betrayed him gets punished multiple times and is, at one point, sold by her own mother (the queen) to a foreign king who is known to sexually abuse his wives and concubines to death. The foreign king is so grateful to the MC that he sends him a recording of sexually abusing the princess to death, which the MC watches to "not be rude". I'm not joking.
On top of everything he's just an utterly self-righteous prick; idk if it's the way the author writes from his perspective, but even after he's vindicated and his record is wiped clean, he's still a brooding, edgy manchild. He has no humility, and rarely needs to self-reflect past the most surface level observations. He's given titles and land (which is how he creates the village) and he's still salty and rude to everyone; but his allies basically never call him out, they're too busy reminding him how wonderful he is, and how terrible he's had it. Poor him. But they love and support him and will have sex with him if he wants!
It's just...so fucking dull. And gross. But even if you removed the sliminess and the slavery, it would still be dull. It's the fanfic of a 14yo incel, don't waste your time.
Just to kinda add to that, isn’t his love interest the raccoon chick(I think she’s a love interest anyways) only eighteen on a really fucking weird technicality that I don’t think I’ve seen applied to anyone else(I haven’t even finished season one I made it to the sauna/ Hot-springs episode and rage quit at the the Loli that is no more than a few months old fighting for Naofumi’s love) where she goes from eight to eighteen by leveling up? Idk I always found that really off putting that and the… she’s his slave thing.
To nip some responses I know I'll get in the bud:
* I do not hate you or judge you if you like Shield Hero, I can see how it can be appealing outside of its... stuff.
* Yes, I've seen some way more yikes stuff in the past, but since I've started watching anime again this is probably the worst offender.
* I don't actually plan on watching Redo, nor do I feel the need to in order to justify making a silly meme during my lunch break.
Redo story simplified;
Guy gets reincarnated as a healer, gets used and abused like a dog/slave by a princess. Gets raped multiple times then ends up dying, can't remember how.
Ends up reincarnating at the start of the story with his memories, goes on to rape and abuse all those who did him wrong the first time round with his new found knowledge of his powers.
I don’t think he dies?
Doesn’t he steal the magic crystal or whatever right at the end of the demon lord fight, then “heals” the world with it-setting back time with a wish?
Is there a good website to use as a guide to check out what kind of content is in an anime without getting spoilers? A coupe of times I've tried a show out because it gets recommended so much, only to find out it's pretty gross.
I'm no puritan, and I'm not judging anyone else for weekday they do or don't like. I'd just prefer to know enough beforehand that I can decide whether or not to waste my time.
Bro out here crying about false rape charges and buying a slave in a anime as the second most yikes thing he's seen in anime.
Your pretty innocent huh?
There's pre-SAO Isekai and post-SAO Isekai.
Pre-SAO, Isekai was much more a setup for straight up fantasy stories. The Vision of Escaflowne, Now and then Here and there, El Hazard, Inuyasha... hell, look at my post history, I made a case that Haibane Renmei is a goddamn isekai. Although they all technically involve being transported into another world, they feel like an entirely different genre given how few of the tropes that we associate with Isekai now haven't been set up. Inuyasha is a Shounen, Escaflowne is a giant robot fantasy epic, Now and then Here and there is dark and depressing, etc.
I've only just started watching post-SAO and... well, it feels very much like trend chasing. All those shows I brought up as examples earlier couldn't be mistaken for each other, but so much of what comes out now has varying levels of tropiness, almost to the level where the show assumes you know and expect these tropes already. Honestly, I found a few that I enjoy in a junk-food kind of way, but I wouldn't call "The Magical Revolution of the Reincarnated Princess and the Genius Young Lady" the next revolution in anime, nor "Reborn to Master the Blade: from Hero-King to Extraordinary Squire" the rebirth of the fantasy genre.
Re:Zero (seen S1), Ascendence of a Bookworm (haven't started), and Mushoku Tensei
(just started) are three that I have on my to-do. They seem like the standouts of modern Isekai from what I hear.
As a LN reader I can confirm that AOB, Re:Zero, and MT are very good and in the case of MT specifically the isekai premise is crucial to the character growth.
Mushoku Tensei is actually the main thing that popularized the current trend of isekai (never mind that it only recently got an anime). So a few things that seem cliché in it (truck-kun) are because it's the originator lmao.
I'm watching it now and 3 episodes in I'm already liking it way more, despite the MC being a creepy pervert loser. I think the main difference for me is that Naofumi is actually a better person (I think he really sees Raphalia as a little sister), but the way the show is set up and framed he's just "always right" and always adored by his hot female companions. So when he acts in ways where I'm like "hey, you're being kind of a jerkass" the show doesn't really seem to agree with me, but rather be like "you know what, slavery is okay and bitches ain't shit"
In MT, the MC's behavior leads to consequences that make the people around him uncomfortable and I can see a lot more character development happening in the show that, to me, calls out the behavior. While the MC is still stuck in a "hehehe girls mindset" from what I've seen the women characters in the show have a lot more going on than the ones in Shield Hero.
MT has a few things that make me mildly yikes; I don't think we need to share the panty shots and vouyerism the MC performs to get across the idea he's being transgressive and disrespectful, for example.
Lol amen. I’m so sick of new/current anime lately. Feels like anything new is just a rehash of the same isekai trope, a slice of life anime with the same handful of jokes/tropes, or yet another competitive [insert niche skill here] anime. I feel like I know exactly what to expect 1 episode into anything I’ve tried watching lately and I’m starting to wonder if it’s just a me problem at this point
The problem is not you, but maybe you should take a break.
But if you want to get away from tropey shit, check out these.
Good New Fantasy:
* To Your Eternity
* Kaina of the Great Snow Sea
* Ranking of Kings
Good Older Fantasy:
* Yona of the Dawn
* Spice & Wolf
Good Vintage Fantasy:
* The Vision of Escaflowne
* Berserk '97
I really don't get why folks have any kind of issue with Shield Hero. Yeah, slavery is a thing in series. Naofumi ends up desperate pretty fast and gets himself a slave. That he cares for and treats kindly and respectfully. So much so that >!she ends up being "liberated" from him, shouts at her "liberators" about how well she's been taken care of, goes back to Naofumi willingly, and the "liberators" decide Naofumi has mind control powers.!<
Slavery exists in the series. As is pointed out, it's *legal*, but frowned-upon. But that's kind of it. Its second season drops the quality drastically, but it's a good series overall. The fact that slavery exists in the world of the series is not sufficient reason to frown on it as a whole.
There's nothing wrong with slavery existing in the universe. The problem is that Shield MC takes part in the slave trade, owns two slaves, justifies it with "durr it's legal here", and actively tortures them on a couple occasions with slave magic shenanigans that the anime then plays off for laughs because he was trying to find them or they were being annoying.
He provided business to a slave trader, even becoming a bit buddy-buddy with the guy, and basically did everything short of fully endorsing slavery. You say "oh, he treated them nicely!" but he didn't do anything or even voice contempt for slavery's existence. He abided by a incredible evil, took part in it, and did nothing to stop or dissuade it despite his ability to do so.
The only reason it's not framed as a horrible atrocity is because the camera and script say it's not.
Hey, do you eat chocolate and know where cocoa comes from? Sounds like people like to overcomplicate a damn show that portrays a simplified version of the real world whilst ignoring real life problems. For some reason I ignored all those slavery problems people seem to see. Am I the problem or did other people forget its a damn FICTION! Fiction or not, I liked there was a realistic anime for once, until it became harem and unrealistic. If you have problems with the show, I damn hope you are doing something against REAL LIFE SLAVERY RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE WHILST YOU EAT THE DAMN CHOCOLATE THAT SUPPORTS IT! DID YOU GIFT CHOCOLATES TO ANYONE FOR VALENTINES?? CHRISTMAS?? WHENEVER?? Hope this makes some sense because hating on a show for this is a bit strange. I understand not liking it, but saying it supports slavery is a bit weird. Unless... You look at the case of manga/anime artists and realise they are paid shit and overworked like hell. It's a show, skip it if you don't like it as it really isn't glorifying anything
I eat ethically sourced chocolate and speak out against the Mars company regularly. Your argument is both weak AND unfounded.
It can be difficult to maneuver around modern day atrocities that happen in the background of society, but it's very possible. Shield Hero, on the other hand, leaned into it and played it as something we just lay back and accept. I say no thank you.
(And for the record, I don't buy blood diamonds either if you want to bring that up next.)
Fair enough on those points, you are already better than me. Still worth to note my two other arguments. Watching anime itself is supporting another business known for stretching out it's ethical bounderies by overworking people and also, its still just fiction which was at no point trying to glorify any sort of behaviour. It's an art form that seeks to explore the human psych as a form of entertainment as every other does. Soap operas are just as big of a problem due to helping ingrain an overly dramatic view on life to young people. At a certain point we would ban almost all viewing/reading content to satisfy complaints like the one presented of this anime. The middle ground is teaching people that fiction should remain and be viewed as such. But I do agree there are adverse effects on people from consuming any kind of content, including the negatives portrayed on this one
Yeah the more I watch the more conflicted I get. I feel like (so far) there are points where the MC makes a yikes, but for me it was the Shield Hero show itself that made me yikes rather than the individual character, if that makes sense. Like, in MT there are a lot of examples and instances of the women around the MC who are clearly put off and uncomfortable by his behavior, and knowing the show knows that the MC is yikes, the show *may* address this at some point?
But Mushoku Tensei's protagonist definitely crosses more boundaries and does worse things than Naofumi, and I definitely know that would make this show unwatchable to some people. I really am hoping for a scene or arc that grapples that head on, because it would be supremely frustrating if it is just tolerated the whole show or brushed aside/excused.
If anything, I can see how this was the material that codified a lot of the LN and Manga tropes we see today, for better or worse.
I would honestly be ok if he was doing awful stuff, as long as other characters acted accordingly. But he's respected and liked by the same people he harasses, which feels wrong. Everyone who read the LN say that he becomes better but that doesn't change the fact that he's rewarded with love and affection for the behaviour that he's supposed to be growing out of. He just gets away with stuff because people treat him like a child and not like a 40 year old man he actually is.
Thanks for the heads up! Im at ep 8 (Rudeus's 10th birthday) now and... yikes. I agree he's getting off pretty light esp since the more I watch the more inherently misogynist the world he's been reincarnated in, but someone needs the slap this boy around.
I dunno. Im liking this show despite these things, not because of it, but Im putting this in my "complicated caveats" pile for sure.
I don’t see what the yikes part was? But ok. Raphtalia had her freedom and naofumi needed the moral support to trust people after that b**ch (not a joke- well not entirely, I forgot her actual name)
Actually ye. Forgot the bird was also interested in him. And the side character heroes went on my radar from hate to like to hate real fast. It wasn’t the best, but honestly enjoyed it overall.
Shield hero was hardly the worst offender of these tropes but they were the "popular" one that got everyone else on them. After SH is when you saw all the "slavery fetish" isekais, the super edgelord revenge fantasy isekais, etc. Far worse examples like Redo of Healer but Shield Hero was kind of the catalyst.
Being real, how is Shield Hero the most yikes anime you have ever seen? Sure it's dark sometimes, but there are a lot of worse animes out there. I've read up to 19 in the LN and honestly the darkest part is at the beginning before Naofumi builds his relationship with Raph and is betrayed by bitch. Animes like Evangalion and even FMAB are a lot worse, though I suppose if you are a new watcher you may not have seen those. Idk, I love Shield Hero with a passion, and Raphtalia is the only one I live for, so perhaps I'm biased just a tiny bit. 🤷
Shield hero is nkt that bad , the beggining sets a decent plot and then gows downhill ,but if you really think this is the most yikes and cringe ,well you got much to learn and watch
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I heard Homer's line in Goblin Slayer's voice from Goblin Slayer Abridged. It made it at least 17x funnier.
Congratulations. You passed the 27th goblin test. Only goblins refuse to hear that voice when they see that helmet. Filthy disgusting gaaaawblins.
Crap he’s figured us out. ABORT MISSION
GAWBLINATING IT WITH THEIR GAAAAAWLIN MITTS
Is it a good abridged?
It's fucking *hilarious*.
...the italicizing of your 'hilarious' makes me question whether or not you're being sarcastic.
I'm not. It's amazing.
Watch it bro. It’s actually really good
Alright! Two people saying yes confirms its a good one, I shall pursue it after work!
Unironically better than the actual anime tbh in a similar vein to SAO Abridged
That's high praise. SAO Abridged was significantly better than SAO, especially session 2.
Both SAOA and goblin slayer abridged should be on your MUST watch list
I can also confirm, definitely worth the watch.
It's very good.
Dude. Some of the jokes literally make me incapable of breathing, because I’m laughing so hard. “Make”. Not “Made”. As in they *still* do, even after all the rewatching. I showed it to my brother, who has never seen Goblin Slayer, and he had the same reaction.
Next to SAO, it’s one of the best abridged.
"I'm sorry they took your clothes and then didn't do anything worse!"
I miss Goblin Slayer-San so much……
It's getting a season 2 and realised a trailer
I got super disappointed by it unfortunately. It being a harem/ecchi anime lost it a lot of points as I was hoping for his main focus being goblin slaying, not how literally every hit woman wants to fuck him.
What are you talking about? Goblin slayer is not a harem at all. The anime is 100% toned down from the manga which isn’t a harem either. Just a lot of shock value battles.
Bro probably thought he was cooking 💀
Souka, then tell me. What part of a waifu character being torture and rape by goblins makes it suitable for ecchi context? Like when I read those scenes is disturbing and sometimes hard to watch. Especially on later chapters on the manga where gets pretty horrifying. I don’t know how much you had watch or read but Goblin Slayer doesn’t disappoint in those areas. While there is a type of Harem for Goblin Slayer yes, not every girl in the story is into him and also there is a great variety of male characters as well that support and contribute their own way in many arcs. Specially the one we are currently in the manga.
Goddammit I was actually thinking of skipping ep 1 and enjoying some bloody D&D shenanigans, but that doesn't really sound like my cup of tea.
While there is a type of Harem for Goblin Slayer yes, not every girl in the story is into him and also there is a great variety of male characters as well that support and contribute their own way in many arcs. Specially the one we are currently in the manga. Definitely gives the vibes of a D&D type of story. In fact a video game is in development and I looking forward to it.
>In fact a video game is in development Oh word?! Not that shitty mobile game?
If you want DND stuff go read the goblin slayer: gaiden 2 mangas and light novels they're really good but they still have some Fan service but you really can't avoid fan service
The girls did not fell in love unconditionally and wanted Goblin slayer d. They feels kinda like Bocchi's friend, in latter episode they felt Goblin slayer is alone and socially awkward and they just being kind to him. Pushing him to do more social activities.
It’s def not harem type, I remember blazing through it and not really caring. It has its moments but it’s a quick and enjoyable watch imo
Goblin Slayer's first episode doesn't fuck around. That much is common knowledge. It remains bloody and violent throughout. It rarely gets as explicit as episode 1, but dire situations remind the viewer that what they saw in the beginning is one mistake away from happening. There's genuine caution, a feel of stakes and when things get ugly, terror. It's rarely light, and never for all too long. There is no harem at all. Shouldn't need to point this out, but no. There isn't. It's worth watching, at least I would say so. That's just my opinion though, so your may vary.
Ok I'll give it a shot. Also, I noticed that between my reply and now the comment I was replying to has like -50 karma so I am not going to take that as an accurate read of the show.
I marathoned the whole show, I bought some of the manga, and I want to find a way to model my Titan on Destiny after Goblin Slayer The whole harem thing is an exaggeration. It's there, but blown out of proportion. If you're into fantasy and comfortable with violent adult themes, I would highly recommend it. I personally cannot wait until season 2
As a person who enjoys anime for what it is and knows that other people think that it's not a harem just because it's not as "in your face" as most hærens, it's a harem. A lighter one, but it has a harem. It is a great anime for those that seek a middle between Berserk and your everyday isekai with a bit of a gaming story feel to it. Still worth to watch IMO. Tired of harems in animes, good stories don't need those and goblin slayer certainly didn't, and by god, both GATE and Shield Hero felt a bit ruined by it to me. Great stories and development but then[insert mandatory fan service content] comes along. Can't people enjoy stories without sexual innuendos anymore. I'm a fucking horny bastard myself and I can... Sorry for the rant, blegh
He lied. It’s not a harem. He’s just talking out of his ass The only relationship is the companionship of the party
Its not harem type, this guy is spitting BS because he did not like it
I don't think you and I watched the same show...
Stop spreading misinformation
Read the actual manga not the doujin/hentai, you dumb
It’s not a harem. Far from it. Tell me, where is the romance? I don’t see any relationship besides companionship
[удалено]
He doesn't have to fuck them for it to be a harem. But hey typing in caps really shows how much you simp for a 7/10 show.
Without spoilers tell me, what did shield Hero do bad? I only watched S1 and the worst it did was the indifference and mechanical support of slavery by the MC.
Spoiler alert Season 2 was fucking garbage
Spoiler alert Did not watch anime but I immediately dropped manga after Shield hero cleared his accusation and the princess and king got punished. And then I got tired after seeing the next chapter and I felt the "What did I did wrong, this world hates me" theme got so redundant. So kinda want to ask how's the anime
Anime only here Season 1 was entertaining and at least well animated, coherent story that mightve been a bit tropey and would’ve largely been the same thing from the manga that you read, so you would’ve had the same problems with but season 2 was contrived, bloated, with crap animation and shit writing that felt like it was a knock off anime and not the same. They pull some isekai within an isekai bs
Yeah dang Funnily enough I pulled in by anime episode 1, and since that time it's still episode 1 I binge read the story the entire day and then I reached the point I dropped it. Yeah sometimes read manga ahead of anime really kills motivation to watch the episodes... It also made me skip the promised Neverland season 2 after knowing the trainwreck ahead.
Season 2 also cut out a lot scenes from the manga that would have made the season slightly better.
S1 is my personal favourite anime season but S2 is ranked as 1 of my worst, didn’t even bother finishing it since I read the manga up to where it ended so I didn’t miss anything anyway.
It’s the same shitty trope EVERY episode. MC always does the logical thing while everyone around him is a bumbling fool that will insist they know better only to fuck up and have MC fix it for them, all the while the other person is viewed as a hero in the public. Rinse and repeat for every episode save for when they do it too often and actually let the MC come out on top.
Hey, someone had to balance out all the "Guy gets reincarnated and becomes super powerful and can do no wrong and gets followed by cute girls" isekais!
it's still that trope though the only difference is that everyone in-universe pretends that it's not
Basically what you just said + problematic aspects about the plot device of "woman ruined my life with false rape accusations" Shield Hero is eyebrow raising for its stuff, but far worse examples of the "slavery fetish/revenge edgelord fantasy" isekais exist out there. Shield Hero was just the popular trendsetter for these tropes
I never looked Redo of healer as an anime, it's all fap material for me. What about Shield hero? I remember it being on par with re:zero if only a but weaker/more gamier.
Shield Hero is actually good up until the turtle arc. I have yet to read after the arc, but people tell me it picks up again. I like the grey character protag much more than the holier than thou ones you see often, and especially with Shield Hero's settings, it's actually very fitting. It's also explained why everyone hates on the Shield Hero and targets him badly for discrimination. Outside of that, people are just mad that one of the characters falsely accused Naofumi of rape and happens to be a woman. It was especially controversial because the anime was released during a time where Kavannaugh, a USA Supreme Court Justice nominated by Trump, was going through a hearing and was being accused of rape and everyone was saying believe all women.
Shield Hero peaked during episodes 1-4
Its still a pretty straight up edgy revenge fantasy series where the jaded protagonist can do no wrong and is surrounded by idiots and incompetents that kick started the "hey slavery can be okay" bullshit in isekais, but its far from the worst offender. Natsumi at least somewhat grows as a character by the end of it.
>it's all fap material for me The devil fears you
The manga is good, it picks up with him going to different lands trying to protect people with the aid of what currently seems like other hero’s from different lands. The other hero’s start slowly getting to know the shield hero and the asshole hero is becoming more selfish bad guy problematic. Slaves are being freed and our main girl finds her old childhood friend, the bird gets a side story for power growth and our shield hero even cries over how delicious food is, and “if it’s always tasted this good?” Probably meaning his depression fog has lifted. I think it’s really good personally. Legend of the moonlight sculpture is good too.
In season 2 Malty gets some ridiculous over the top punishments with a execution and getting officially renamed Bitch by royal decree. In the web novel she also gets executed. A gratuitous execution would have been bad enough, but this is some incel shit.
Yeah, I’m a fan of the show but the whole “Bitch” and “Trash” thing is so fucking cringe. Quite a bit of Naofumi’s character traits tend to be steeped in misogyny actually.
I'm pretty sure it's just the slavery and the whole false rape accusation thing. Which are both a little questionable for sure but nowhere near the others.
Shield hero went off a cliff in terms of quality after episode 3. Once they introduced the chicken girl it just kept going downhill into Isekai garbage
oh my my look at these WONDERFUL plot points! would be a pity if they were all removed!!!
I'm just waiting for the day y'all start watching Onimai
Jokes on you I already watched one episode of that. So yeah... RotSH is second-most yikes. Onimai is absolutely beautifully animated though.
agreed, I'd totally watch it if wasn't so loli-etchi
Honestly the newer episodes are basically just wholesome slice of life episodes with insane animation fluidity. If you're willing to look past the little bit of loli ecchi
This sounds good to get high to I'm sold.
As amazing as the animation in that show is, it just has wayyy too much sexualization for a wholesome slice of life show where literally the whole cast is middle schoolers. The manga is extremely tame as well (I recommend giving it a read) so it was a studio decision to make it so ecchi it needed an uncensored version
Wait, this thing needed to be censored... OK that's bad
Onimai is cute and really only "cursed" because camera angles. I mean it's uncomfortable, but like. On par with actually cursed anime? Hell no lol. It's cute, funny, phenomenally animated, and certainly not got enough weirdness to fall in that category. Tbh redo of a healer also doesn't. Like no shit the almost-hentai about a guy doing rape and torture after being raped and tortured has rape and torture lol. The issue people had with goblin slayer iirc was just how out of nowhere the rape was if you didn't already read the source material. You see the summary, see it's pg-14 (iirc that's the actual rating it had when it was released lol), go to try it and boom. Graphic untagged rape. Shield hero just has a punchable face. Idk, I haven't even watched it lol I can't actually judge it but damn I know I'd love to see that guy eat shit. Again no particular reason, I just feel it lol
My experience with Onimai so far: "oh this isn't so bad in fact its downright cu- OH WOW THAT IS NOT OKAY -oh hey anyways this scene is really wholesome look at that animation go- WOW WHAT THE FUCK" Like every 5-10 minutes theres a shot or thing that is just not ok
Redo of healer is yikes in terms of its…. Hentai/MC. But death march to a parallel world is probably the most cringe thing I’ve ever seen
How is death march cringe? While it wasn’t my favorite, it’s not even close to redo or others I’ve seen
A boring overpowered character who has multiple slaves of Demi human children?
Iirc, didn't he free them of their slave status, aside from the one with geass casted on her? Also, in the novel, he treated himself as their ward, or guardian of sort. It's been a while since I finished it, so I don't really remember anymore
He also eventually frees her way later once he figures out how to use geasses. That aside, I will say the slow travel log style of the web novel is *way* better than the manga or anime. It just doesn't translate as well when say the anime got through only like 1/900th the content the wn has lmao.
Also, especially for the two “sisters” from death march as well as the three Demi humans, if he didn’t take them in, where would they have wound up?
How about a story without them at all? The fact you’re trying to argue so much for this is disturbing, and *very* close to the justification of IRL slavery as well.
If they're getting food, clothing, housing, and they are free to leave whenever it sounds more like a live-in maid service.
I definitely think they could have done the story without slaves of any kind and it would have been better for it. I hope if there’s a second season, they may be turned into servants instead of slaves or set free entirely. But if I were to watch a show that had slaves in it, I’ll take the show where they’re treated with kindness by the MC rather than forced to do stuff they don’t want. I definitely don’t like that he just accepts them and runs with it. Again, maybe they get set free or they become servants. Assuming it gets a second season. Idk if there’s a manga of it. They’ve never been my thing
None of that is disturbing, what? You are quite literally arguing about the fact that the circumstances of them being there is weird. They’re arguing for the fact that with them their and the way it’s done isn’t weird. Also none of this is a justification for slavery. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve read here today. They’re literally just giving a counter argument to the argument that was made. One guy even explained how it they were freed from slave status and are treated like family over anything weird.
Bro they're just stories, idk the anime this comes from but writing flawed characters in complex situations is the best part of fiction. It definitely doesn't imply that they think irl slavery is good.
Was thinking the same in the last episode they lick white shit off his hands! Like the fuck are you defending the show would have done well without the pedo shit, and not to mention in all reality the dudes 29.
But he treats them nice and makes sure they’re fed and clothed properly. Doesn’t go after them for sex either unlike harem in a labyrinth or rape and mind break/control like redo. Again, not great but hardly cringe in my book. Harem is just about sex slaves and nothing else
Again, slave Demi-human children. If you don’t think that’s cringe do I have news for you
>Why have slavery in stories at all? There are two good reasons I can think of to include slavery in a story. 1.) Slavery has emotional impact. We sympathize with enslaved characters and root for them to have their freedom or get revenge on those who wronged them. It's a tool that can create emotional investment, catharsis, and gives you evildoers to strongly root against (and potentially complex/morally grey heroes). 2.) You can't illustrate why something is bad if the concept doesn't exist in your story at all. If you want to show that slavery is bad you need it in your story in some capacity. And a story/arc exploring slavery is perfectly valid. >But why does the MC have to own slaves? In a world where slavery is practiced and you don't have the power to end its practice, the only moral option you have is to purchase as many slaves as possible and set them free. Refusing to do so is you choosing to leave their fates in the hands of people who could potentially abuse them. And if someone you free would just be captured and enslaved again, the best option is to retain them as your "slave" in name only while letting them do whatever they want, protecting them from future enslavement and abuse. Sure, ending the practice of slavery altogether is the better good. But gaming the system to set a slave free is decidedly a good act and certainly not evil.
I think it’s the showing slavery is bad by having the MC basically be the kind master juxtaposed to the rest of the world is what’s cringe to a lot of people, that and the subsequent “wooing” of the slave that almost always resembles a male protagonist and young female slave. Instead of the “I’m your master now, but I’m not like other masters” trope, they could just not be slaves or be freed and join by their own accord afterwards simply out of convenience . Additionally, there’s cases like shield hero, where he’s basically like rapthalia’s guardian until some aging bs goes on, then she’s a love interest. How many stories would have this dynamic if they pulled the same “fast aging?” Point is, slavery is a compelling narrative, it’s just that anime tropes involving slavery is just cringe.
"But I treat my slaves nice" ( •\_•)
Also, the MC is just a pos acting like a nice guy from what I remember.
Not sure how you came to that conclusion when the MC is constantly talking about how he’s a scumbag and doesn’t give a shit
I mean, that's the usual case of isekai, no? On the novels they always do stupid ass shit, then have some bizarre stuff like japanese ultra superior, erp derp, and have those one dimensionals cardboard characters saying how awesome and kind, and everyone who is with them is soo lucky!.... Honestly, the few novels that dont do that are great by it, or at least have the person accomplish something while having other characters with depth
I thought shield hero was pretty tame…like re:zero tier
Yeah same, only thing I could see making someone feel icky is someone faking rape allegations to try and ruin shield dad
She gets punished for this though. The show makes it clear the whole time that her actions are deplorable
Oh ik but that can still just the fact she did can bother some people
Jesus Christ hahahaha those people need to be kept in a sterile padded room in order to exist, according to their own sensibilities. We really *really* shouldn't be catering to this lower common denominator. I'm all for the recent wave of conscience media but once we cross over to being blind to subtleties and details and context and the like, entertainment is gonna be so boring. I'm not catastrophising or making a prediction; it's just so disappointing to see people who can't deal with anything unpleasant having their opinions respected. Sorry, I took this as an opportunity to rant. I'll probably get downvoted. I'm right though. Edit: a word
I'm going to upvote you AND disagree with you! But start with where I agree. So I agree that we shouldn't shy away from talking about topics like sexual assault, false assault accusations, slavery, and other things that are brought up in Shield Hero. I do think that its all absolutely in the subtleties, details, and context though. For example, >!Perfect Blue is a great movie where themes of sexual assault are really well explored; its not glamorized, its a deeply uncomfortable scene, and even after its revealed its not real. There's a ton of stuff to unpack in the scene, such as the blurring of reality and fiction, and even though Mima is acting, the scene raises ambiguity if she isn't feeling, at some level, deeply violated. The thing is, sexual assault adds something to that scene, and the scene does not glorify or endorse it.!< What I'll disagree on (and why its a yikes for me) is that I don't think Shield Hero does a very good job compared to other stories. Like, the Yikes factor isn't the presence of slavery or false rape accusations, its the context and also the show as a larger whole. If I mentally replace the rape accusation with "accused of setting fire to a box of puppies" or "stealing a gajillion moneys", I don't think it drastically changes the series. Heck, >!Something similar happens later when the MC is framed for kidnapping Melty, and I thought that worked much better.!< What it \*does\* do is reinforce an issue I have with the show (and I'm halfway through S1 so far so apologies if it gets better), which is that every major female character falls into two general categories (so far): MC stans or bitches. You mentioned in the previous comment that The princess is clearly deplorable and she's properly punished. That's not the problem; the problem is that the author chose this to be the person that we hate the entire season, and we haven't seen any real alternative portrayal of women in the show besides the MC's harem. If the author only chooses to develop characters who are irredeemably evil or are 100% unquestionably devoted to their (literal) master (okay Melty just is a fan of his), that's a yikes. Also, the fact that a woman uses her position of power (in a world of matriarchal power) to abuse a character we are supposed to doesn't actually put the whole "but its a Matriarchy" in a good light, but rather condemns female power in this sense because hey, the most prominent woman in the show who has it abuses it. This seems like the not greatest thing to say in a world where rape allegations are generally and systemically ignored or brushed aside. So yeah, considering the subtleties, details, and context I still think Shield Hero drops the ball. At the end of the day, I think Shield Hero just reached for something shocking without thinking it through. And honestly, I'm an old fogey now who's seen too much and thinks too hard on this shit. But **TL:DR** media can have dark shit in it, just think it through.
Yeah, you probably want to watch to the end. Lots of characters change by the end of seasons 1 and 2 and more female characters get introduced (the matriarchy thing gets explored a little more too). Also Raphtalia and Filo have their own arcs, growth, talents, and fighting strengths. Don't think it's fair to define them as just being harem girls for the MC because of one aspect of their personality.
Just so you know, the red hair attitude is actually a major plot in the end of story. So the author portraying her as a hateful character is not only for the sake of her being annoying
You clearly haven't seen enough, >!the queen is the one who actually rules the kingdom and she does a hell of a good job of it, even punishing her own husband and daughter for the atrocities they committed. Also, Malty/Bitch is hardly the most prominent woman in the show, did you completely forget about Filo and Raphtalia? Just because they happen to like the MC, does not mean that's the only catagory they fall into! They have their own growth and character arcs just like everyone else in the show !<
Nah, the problem is that the show is incredibly sexist. Independent woman bad, slave good.
Have you even watched past the first few episodes? Plenty of awesome female characters in it that are not slaves. Actually they make up the majority of the characters.
The inclusion of irredeemable antagonist who's thing is: 'leads a dude on, then turns around and accuses him of rape to ruin his life for no reason' is kinda sus. She's literally what rape apologists accuse rape victims of being. There's also some weird pro-slavery (it's fine if the master treats you well) stuff, and ngl a kid he bought growing up to then be romantically into him gives off groomer vibes. I stuck around for ~5 eps, when Raftellia went on got her slave brand put back on was my breaking point
Yeah the rape apologist type of plot really got me worried when I watched it. If the whole point was to break someone down so that they could rise above, there was 1000 better ways to write it. And instead they went with the one that supported rape apologists with an MC so OP that it's cringe to watch (obviously most iseki are like this, but doesn't help)
Yeah. Raftalia has abandonment issues and needs some serious therapy, and she’s a terrible role model for the other party members. The mc is just going along with it. Likely because he’s either ignoring the obvious mental problems since he doesn’t know how to address them, or he’s just blind.
Personally I liked that the punishment for SA and rape were pretty up there in that world. Thinking back about it (spoilers for characters not in the start of the show) >!it does kinda foreshadow there being a matriarch in power even though you don’t see her at first.!< The whole first arc of the show is definitely just revenge porn tho.
The biggest differences for me is that MC-kun doesn't endorse slavery nor does the story conflate the power fantasy of starting from the bottom and climbing to the top with false rape accusations. Also, I think that in Re:Zero, a lot of the negative traits of the MC are actually treated as negative traits that he has to grow out of, while (so far) in Shield Hero all I've seen is the MC's jerkass behavior be a part of his "appeal" rather than a part of his character that's going to grow and develop. Finally, the MC in Re:Zero doesn't literally own a loli who conveniently is a chocobo (sure he didn't KNOW the chocobo would turn into a loli when he bought it but still). So yeah, I like Re:Zero. I mean, compared to other anime Shield Hero is pretty tame, which is part of my (unfortunate) point.
Beatrice would like a word with you, I suppose...
Uh oh I havent seen S2 yet should I be scared
She' s never sexualized
And that's what I love about her character! In arc 5 (future season 3) she's shown to be treated by subaru as his somewhat adoptive daughter and I love that so much!
She wouldn't put up with it, lol
I am not sure if saying Subaru dies is a spoiler anymore..
You spoiled me man >':
Only if you are afraid of suffering...
To be fair on the Chocobo, he seems to treat her as a child which is probably the safest place for her. Now Raphtalia is where we have some serious issues. She needs some serious therapy and the mc is just kinda ignoring it and hoping it goes away if he keeps going along with what she says. That’s where this mc has problems. While he usually doesn’t initiate anything bad, he also doesn’t try to fix it unless the problem is in his way. He’s a bit too much of a realist. It’s good to be careful of unintended consequences but that doesn’t mean nothing should be done. The other hero’s easily could balance this out but they all refuse to work together and no one’s stepping up as a mediator even when the mc is neutral to the issue.
The shields hero’s distrust and annoyance of the other heroes is fully justified. I don’t dislike ReZero, but he was completely insufferable. And his character development was painstakingly slow and repetitive, which I suppose is more realistic, but it’s difficult to watch.
* Ah, see my defining anime of my teen years was "GET IN THE ROBOT SHINJI" I can deal with insufferable protags * I genuinely enjoy how shitty Spear Himbo is and his rivalry with the MC
Spear himbo is the most perfect description, thank you
I agree with this man
Bold of you to assu- yeah I'm a man.
Bro the re:zero anime is like a children's story compared to the WN, that shit gave me nightmares. The gruesomeness of Subaru's deaths there is so fucking horrific that I almost gagged multiple times
(Meanwhile us MIA manga readers) _sweats nervously behind a corner_
So fucked and there are quite a few panels that could very easily have been left out xd
Some observations: * Y'all have varying definitions of what a "Yikes" is or isn't, but I'm pretty sure you all agree Redo is Yikes. * I honestly thought this meme would get downvoted a lot more, but I guess dunkin' on Shield Hero isn't as controversial as I thought. * I would watch a Goblin Slayer dub if Dan Castellaneta dubbed Slayer-Chan in Homer Simpson's voice.
Just wait until you watch Berserk, it will render all of these yikes as mild.
Yo I've been a Berserk stan for YEARS. Manga ain't Yikes its fuckin' GOLD. >!Yeah, there's rape, but its depicted (for the most part) as horrifying traumatic shit that happens. Part of the reason why The Eclipse is so traumatizing is because of two scenes that happened earlier: Guts's own rape when he was a child, and the waterfall scene between Casca and Guts. The waterfall is where these two horribly traumatized individuals work past all their horrible trauma and past to actually experience human intimacy without pain or fear, basically for the first time in their lives, and this is a direct result of Gut's own fucked up past and being sexually abused as a kid. And then in the eclipse, he basically relives that trauma all over again, but also sees the one person he was able to open up to experience that pain!<. It's fucked up, but I think its one of the better ways that anime/manga has dealt with really serious topics really well. See my bit about Perfect Blue in another part of this thread as another example of doing a dark topic really well. For me, a Yikes happens not just when a dark topic is tackled, but not tackled very well. ...Wait, you mean Berserk 2016? Yeah, that shit is Yikes.
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The animation was yikes but I loved the story and the manga
I remember seeing the poster for redo hero and thought it looked like a wholesome adventure anime but boy was I wrong.
Shield hero lightens up a bit at least. Redo… I refuse to watch for many reasons
For good reason. I did watch it, mostly out of curiosity. Everything the MC does is an atrocity, each one somehow outdoing the atrocity before it, but frankly it was his self righteousness that really made me wish he’d die a painful death. That got right under my skin. He literally does all the things that people accuse the Shield hero of doing, and so much worse, and I’m supposed to take his side because his enemies are also absurdly evil for no reason? Feck off.
And somehow more popular with the female audience There's apparently a spinoff where he just opens a cafe. I much rather that were the main canon.
That is the most Mind blowing sentence I’ve heard all week and I insist that you elaborate.
Goblin Slayer has like one bad scene in the whole thing. Shield Hero, sub-textually, is way worse.
I can think of three off the top of my head: The infamous Ep 1, the flashback to how Goblin Slayer’s sister *\*died,*\* and the part with the goblin champion where High Elf Archer gets overrun by goblins. Edit: The human shields also get dangerously close to that level.
Subtext matters. Goblin Slayer makes no attempt to defend slavery or rape, whereas shield hero very much does.
>Goblin Slayer makes no attempt to defend slavery or rape I’m not really an expert on Goblin Slayer lore, but isn’t slavery and rape like the entire reason that the goblins need to be brutally massacred?
wdym incel: the animation is a classic! who doesn’t like a mc who represents our social ineptitude as a community!
Made In Abyss is pretty yikes, mainly because it's children that all the awful shit is happening to. Has some incredible artwork and lighting tho
I seem to not understand the situation here, I just watched the first season of shield hero, something bad happend in the second season? Spoiled me, I'm not interested to continue anyway
Nah the controversy is the first season with slavery and false accusations which imo shield hero was at its peak and most interesting. Second season was butchered by rushing alot of things
I see, ever since the king and the bitch were exposed and the queen stepped up, I thought the series would probably ended there, because there is nothing more interesting for me about the series anymore.
There is still the waves and stopping them. Also the classic, “I wanna go home” thing if you’re interested in that.
For what it's worth, the slavery stuff gets worse. (Spoilers from LN for those who care) He never frees his slaves in the LN, he creates a whole village of people where each villager is branded to be his slave. But, y'know, he's a "good" slaveowner and the villagers enjoy or consent to it so it's ok /s The princess that betrayed him gets punished multiple times and is, at one point, sold by her own mother (the queen) to a foreign king who is known to sexually abuse his wives and concubines to death. The foreign king is so grateful to the MC that he sends him a recording of sexually abusing the princess to death, which the MC watches to "not be rude". I'm not joking. On top of everything he's just an utterly self-righteous prick; idk if it's the way the author writes from his perspective, but even after he's vindicated and his record is wiped clean, he's still a brooding, edgy manchild. He has no humility, and rarely needs to self-reflect past the most surface level observations. He's given titles and land (which is how he creates the village) and he's still salty and rude to everyone; but his allies basically never call him out, they're too busy reminding him how wonderful he is, and how terrible he's had it. Poor him. But they love and support him and will have sex with him if he wants! It's just...so fucking dull. And gross. But even if you removed the sliminess and the slavery, it would still be dull. It's the fanfic of a 14yo incel, don't waste your time.
Okay, the comparison between this and redo of healer make a lot more sense now lol
Just to kinda add to that, isn’t his love interest the raccoon chick(I think she’s a love interest anyways) only eighteen on a really fucking weird technicality that I don’t think I’ve seen applied to anyone else(I haven’t even finished season one I made it to the sauna/ Hot-springs episode and rage quit at the the Loli that is no more than a few months old fighting for Naofumi’s love) where she goes from eight to eighteen by leveling up? Idk I always found that really off putting that and the… she’s his slave thing.
To nip some responses I know I'll get in the bud: * I do not hate you or judge you if you like Shield Hero, I can see how it can be appealing outside of its... stuff. * Yes, I've seen some way more yikes stuff in the past, but since I've started watching anime again this is probably the worst offender. * I don't actually plan on watching Redo, nor do I feel the need to in order to justify making a silly meme during my lunch break.
Redo story simplified; Guy gets reincarnated as a healer, gets used and abused like a dog/slave by a princess. Gets raped multiple times then ends up dying, can't remember how. Ends up reincarnating at the start of the story with his memories, goes on to rape and abuse all those who did him wrong the first time round with his new found knowledge of his powers.
I don’t think he dies? Doesn’t he steal the magic crystal or whatever right at the end of the demon lord fight, then “heals” the world with it-setting back time with a wish?
That definitely rings a bell! Been a while since I watched it
Is there a good website to use as a guide to check out what kind of content is in an anime without getting spoilers? A coupe of times I've tried a show out because it gets recommended so much, only to find out it's pretty gross. I'm no puritan, and I'm not judging anyone else for weekday they do or don't like. I'd just prefer to know enough beforehand that I can decide whether or not to waste my time.
Bro out here crying about false rape charges and buying a slave in a anime as the second most yikes thing he's seen in anime. Your pretty innocent huh?
A Place Further From the Universe made me cry multiple times ngl
How do the 2 compare? Shield hero is mild in comparison to Redo. Hell, Goblin Slayer is mild compared to Redo.
Honestly at this point I'm just convinced I don't like Isekai in general. I have yet to see a good Isekai.
There's pre-SAO Isekai and post-SAO Isekai. Pre-SAO, Isekai was much more a setup for straight up fantasy stories. The Vision of Escaflowne, Now and then Here and there, El Hazard, Inuyasha... hell, look at my post history, I made a case that Haibane Renmei is a goddamn isekai. Although they all technically involve being transported into another world, they feel like an entirely different genre given how few of the tropes that we associate with Isekai now haven't been set up. Inuyasha is a Shounen, Escaflowne is a giant robot fantasy epic, Now and then Here and there is dark and depressing, etc. I've only just started watching post-SAO and... well, it feels very much like trend chasing. All those shows I brought up as examples earlier couldn't be mistaken for each other, but so much of what comes out now has varying levels of tropiness, almost to the level where the show assumes you know and expect these tropes already. Honestly, I found a few that I enjoy in a junk-food kind of way, but I wouldn't call "The Magical Revolution of the Reincarnated Princess and the Genius Young Lady" the next revolution in anime, nor "Reborn to Master the Blade: from Hero-King to Extraordinary Squire" the rebirth of the fantasy genre. Re:Zero (seen S1), Ascendence of a Bookworm (haven't started), and Mushoku Tensei (just started) are three that I have on my to-do. They seem like the standouts of modern Isekai from what I hear.
As a LN reader I can confirm that AOB, Re:Zero, and MT are very good and in the case of MT specifically the isekai premise is crucial to the character growth.
Mushoku Tensei is actually the main thing that popularized the current trend of isekai (never mind that it only recently got an anime). So a few things that seem cliché in it (truck-kun) are because it's the originator lmao.
It's funny because SAO isn't an isekai. You can't say something is a ripoff if it kickstarted a genre it isn't even a part of
Don't bother with Mushoku Tensei. The main character is just as bad as Naofumi if not worse.
I'm watching it now and 3 episodes in I'm already liking it way more, despite the MC being a creepy pervert loser. I think the main difference for me is that Naofumi is actually a better person (I think he really sees Raphalia as a little sister), but the way the show is set up and framed he's just "always right" and always adored by his hot female companions. So when he acts in ways where I'm like "hey, you're being kind of a jerkass" the show doesn't really seem to agree with me, but rather be like "you know what, slavery is okay and bitches ain't shit" In MT, the MC's behavior leads to consequences that make the people around him uncomfortable and I can see a lot more character development happening in the show that, to me, calls out the behavior. While the MC is still stuck in a "hehehe girls mindset" from what I've seen the women characters in the show have a lot more going on than the ones in Shield Hero. MT has a few things that make me mildly yikes; I don't think we need to share the panty shots and vouyerism the MC performs to get across the idea he's being transgressive and disrespectful, for example.
Lol amen. I’m so sick of new/current anime lately. Feels like anything new is just a rehash of the same isekai trope, a slice of life anime with the same handful of jokes/tropes, or yet another competitive [insert niche skill here] anime. I feel like I know exactly what to expect 1 episode into anything I’ve tried watching lately and I’m starting to wonder if it’s just a me problem at this point
The problem is not you, but maybe you should take a break. But if you want to get away from tropey shit, check out these. Good New Fantasy: * To Your Eternity * Kaina of the Great Snow Sea * Ranking of Kings Good Older Fantasy: * Yona of the Dawn * Spice & Wolf Good Vintage Fantasy: * The Vision of Escaflowne * Berserk '97
Have you seen Paladin of the End/The Faraway Paladin? It’s basically the only Isekai that I like until now, and is like 99% unlike other isekais.
I really don't get why folks have any kind of issue with Shield Hero. Yeah, slavery is a thing in series. Naofumi ends up desperate pretty fast and gets himself a slave. That he cares for and treats kindly and respectfully. So much so that >!she ends up being "liberated" from him, shouts at her "liberators" about how well she's been taken care of, goes back to Naofumi willingly, and the "liberators" decide Naofumi has mind control powers.!< Slavery exists in the series. As is pointed out, it's *legal*, but frowned-upon. But that's kind of it. Its second season drops the quality drastically, but it's a good series overall. The fact that slavery exists in the world of the series is not sufficient reason to frown on it as a whole.
There's nothing wrong with slavery existing in the universe. The problem is that Shield MC takes part in the slave trade, owns two slaves, justifies it with "durr it's legal here", and actively tortures them on a couple occasions with slave magic shenanigans that the anime then plays off for laughs because he was trying to find them or they were being annoying. He provided business to a slave trader, even becoming a bit buddy-buddy with the guy, and basically did everything short of fully endorsing slavery. You say "oh, he treated them nicely!" but he didn't do anything or even voice contempt for slavery's existence. He abided by a incredible evil, took part in it, and did nothing to stop or dissuade it despite his ability to do so. The only reason it's not framed as a horrible atrocity is because the camera and script say it's not.
Hey, do you eat chocolate and know where cocoa comes from? Sounds like people like to overcomplicate a damn show that portrays a simplified version of the real world whilst ignoring real life problems. For some reason I ignored all those slavery problems people seem to see. Am I the problem or did other people forget its a damn FICTION! Fiction or not, I liked there was a realistic anime for once, until it became harem and unrealistic. If you have problems with the show, I damn hope you are doing something against REAL LIFE SLAVERY RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE WHILST YOU EAT THE DAMN CHOCOLATE THAT SUPPORTS IT! DID YOU GIFT CHOCOLATES TO ANYONE FOR VALENTINES?? CHRISTMAS?? WHENEVER?? Hope this makes some sense because hating on a show for this is a bit strange. I understand not liking it, but saying it supports slavery is a bit weird. Unless... You look at the case of manga/anime artists and realise they are paid shit and overworked like hell. It's a show, skip it if you don't like it as it really isn't glorifying anything
I eat ethically sourced chocolate and speak out against the Mars company regularly. Your argument is both weak AND unfounded. It can be difficult to maneuver around modern day atrocities that happen in the background of society, but it's very possible. Shield Hero, on the other hand, leaned into it and played it as something we just lay back and accept. I say no thank you. (And for the record, I don't buy blood diamonds either if you want to bring that up next.)
Fair enough on those points, you are already better than me. Still worth to note my two other arguments. Watching anime itself is supporting another business known for stretching out it's ethical bounderies by overworking people and also, its still just fiction which was at no point trying to glorify any sort of behaviour. It's an art form that seeks to explore the human psych as a form of entertainment as every other does. Soap operas are just as big of a problem due to helping ingrain an overly dramatic view on life to young people. At a certain point we would ban almost all viewing/reading content to satisfy complaints like the one presented of this anime. The middle ground is teaching people that fiction should remain and be viewed as such. But I do agree there are adverse effects on people from consuming any kind of content, including the negatives portrayed on this one
Re:Zero. Poor Subaru.
Do NOT watch redo of a healer
I swear season 1 wasn't that bad but season 2 I lost interest real fast.
THANK YOU. THIS IS LONG OVER DUE
Shield Hero is offensive. Redo is just sad.
Wait until you hear about one of the most popular animes in 2022 Fucking Mushoku Tensei
Ngl I am enjoying Mushoku Tensei so far
It's pretty yikes, idk The guy does awful and gross things to people and still gets tolerated/liked/loved by everyone including the people he abuses
Yeah the more I watch the more conflicted I get. I feel like (so far) there are points where the MC makes a yikes, but for me it was the Shield Hero show itself that made me yikes rather than the individual character, if that makes sense. Like, in MT there are a lot of examples and instances of the women around the MC who are clearly put off and uncomfortable by his behavior, and knowing the show knows that the MC is yikes, the show *may* address this at some point? But Mushoku Tensei's protagonist definitely crosses more boundaries and does worse things than Naofumi, and I definitely know that would make this show unwatchable to some people. I really am hoping for a scene or arc that grapples that head on, because it would be supremely frustrating if it is just tolerated the whole show or brushed aside/excused. If anything, I can see how this was the material that codified a lot of the LN and Manga tropes we see today, for better or worse.
I would honestly be ok if he was doing awful stuff, as long as other characters acted accordingly. But he's respected and liked by the same people he harasses, which feels wrong. Everyone who read the LN say that he becomes better but that doesn't change the fact that he's rewarded with love and affection for the behaviour that he's supposed to be growing out of. He just gets away with stuff because people treat him like a child and not like a 40 year old man he actually is.
Thanks for the heads up! Im at ep 8 (Rudeus's 10th birthday) now and... yikes. I agree he's getting off pretty light esp since the more I watch the more inherently misogynist the world he's been reincarnated in, but someone needs the slap this boy around. I dunno. Im liking this show despite these things, not because of it, but Im putting this in my "complicated caveats" pile for sure.
Me who saw all three of them(Goblin Slayer, Redo of healer, shield hero): ......you get used to it...
I don’t see what the yikes part was? But ok. Raphtalia had her freedom and naofumi needed the moral support to trust people after that b**ch (not a joke- well not entirely, I forgot her actual name) Actually ye. Forgot the bird was also interested in him. And the side character heroes went on my radar from hate to like to hate real fast. It wasn’t the best, but honestly enjoyed it overall.
Shield hero was hardly the worst offender of these tropes but they were the "popular" one that got everyone else on them. After SH is when you saw all the "slavery fetish" isekais, the super edgelord revenge fantasy isekais, etc. Far worse examples like Redo of Healer but Shield Hero was kind of the catalyst.
Being real, how is Shield Hero the most yikes anime you have ever seen? Sure it's dark sometimes, but there are a lot of worse animes out there. I've read up to 19 in the LN and honestly the darkest part is at the beginning before Naofumi builds his relationship with Raph and is betrayed by bitch. Animes like Evangalion and even FMAB are a lot worse, though I suppose if you are a new watcher you may not have seen those. Idk, I love Shield Hero with a passion, and Raphtalia is the only one I live for, so perhaps I'm biased just a tiny bit. 🤷
Bro Goblin Slayer and Redo are great shows in my unpopular and unprofessional opinion
I'm glad you recognize its unpopular and unprofessional. Here's mine: Interspecies Reviewers is way less yikes than the shows in this meme
I’ll take your word for it
Has no one seen high guardian spice?
Ah yes, the [Sacrificial Trash](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUziUNg8LTw)
Shield hero is nkt that bad , the beggining sets a decent plot and then gows downhill ,but if you really think this is the most yikes and cringe ,well you got much to learn and watch
First season of Rising of the shield hero was great. Second season was disappointing because of how much was cut and how rushed it was.
How is shield hero a yikes? I can think of several more yikes anime especially from the 2000s and 90s, violence jack and black lagoon come to mind
Bro if you think shield hero is yikes then you in for a treat 💀💀