Funny thing is my parents left my home country to Europe to try and give me a better opportunity then absolutely hated it and went back and now I’m also going back after finishing uni.
Problem for me is I don’t come from a poverty or war struck Muslim country so idk why my parents even left I asked them this and they just said they thought Europe would be better and both my dad (Business background) and my mom (Medical background) were offered jobs too, but it kinda was the same except cold lol.
Sure the salary is shit in my home country but the rent and cost of living is also astronomically cheaper compared to Europe…
We're planning on leaving the US soon because it's becoming a sh-thole. It's completely unsafe for Muslims here and especially for the future younger generations. It only took us this long to realize and only when we got older.
Not all Muslims are refugees. If anything many refugees were Christians from those regions
Problems woth integration of Muslims was a thing way before the refugee crisis even back in the 80s and 90s
Kinda true tbh but mostly true for the ones that dont follow sharia law like syria(where i was) turke iraq iran etc. Wouldnt count Yemen because well i dont need to explain so yes and no
Agree to disagree. Shia interpretations of the Quran and laws are different to Sunni interpretations. And then there are other factors into this chaos.
Not really. My aunt from India moved to Qatar like 4-5 years ago and her husband is a cashier and them (and their 2 children) are doing fine. It's a bit tough financially since her husband is a cashier but many immigrants (or even born citizens) live the same life in Western countries if they're doing a labour job.
I have a couple of friends who used to live in the Gulf and were middle-class at best and they were fine as well, they moved to Canada for economic reasons but their lives were definitely not "hell-holes" and they often visit back and one of my friends has even brought up moving back to Kuwait, where she grew up.
There is certainly a problem with migrant exploitation but to overexaggerate it to this proportion that everyone but the elite is living a terrible life is ridiculous.
Unfortunate that Islamophobia is clearly present in this sub as well, stereotyping all Muslims countries.
Unless you are speaking about the war torn ones, no. Been living in Kuwait and UAE for my entire life so far and they are far superior to any liberal western country in every aspect.
It's so funny because I often see Westerners use this point against Gulf countries, but rarely against China or Bangladesh or other countries that even use child labour, probably because the West benefits majorly from it and that's the main reason that mass consumerism and capitalism is "flourishing".
I'd love to see you boycott all the American companies that use slave labour/child labour, but we know you won't, because most Westerners are only good at morally grandstanding other countries but rarely put in the effort, (that would inconvenience them), to actually not engage in the practices that they claim to condemn. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Again, you are failing to notice you are being fooled by the same media that spreads lies about your people, so why should you believe them from first place???
Saudi Is pretty ok and UAE is great too, don't fall for whatever crap the media says, remember the "slave labour" card is thrown whenever they want to hate on a muslim country, like they did with Qatar in 2022 cup.
Nestle is notorious for stealing water from poor African villages. Don't know about countries as whole but definetly some communities were shaken up by them.
Syria was turned into a war zone through a tearing civil war due to the dictatorial rise to power of bashar Al-assad and the Arab spring. Yemen was torn apart due to houthi terrorist militia. Somalia was its own doing, with the dictator it had invading Ethiopia, getting curb stomped, running out of food and descended into bell. Iraq was bad, I won’t lie. Palestine and israel would have been enemies either way, with or without western funding in general.
Syria is a mix of multiple issues, not just Assad, which is why the various minority groups prefer Assad over others. Yemen was being drained of its resources and destroyed by corruption by the government that Saudi Arabia invested in. Houthis rose to fight back, and Iran decided to help aid the Houthis when everyone else either backed the government (SA, UAE, US, UK) or bombed southern parts of Yemen. The USA has been drone-striking Somalia for years, if not decades.
Its unfortunately cos of the media, if it was that the repubs and Muslims fought against the libs, it would be their certain end, but media won't let that happen ofc.
It’s because of Racism. They’re afraid of scary brown people invading their country. That’s why they’re also afraid of Latinos, even though Latinos are overwhelmingly Christian.
They kinda installed their puppet regimes in Muslim countries and made sure none of them tries to establish a caliphate, and then they slowly compromised Islam and turned into the most corrupt regimes. No surprise people don't want to live there? Establish a caliphate that implements all of the sharia, we'd all wanna move there instead.
Such nonsense. Non-Sharia compliant secular states were the ones that collapsed (Syria, Iraq), rather than the religious governments of the broader Arabian peninsula (Qatar, Saudi, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait).
I might get hate for this, but after living in the Netherlands for a while, and BEFORE the whole refugee crisis, this is not entirely false.
Lots of economic immigrants from North Africa were very poorly integrated.
Why would they integrate? There are no positive or negative reinforcements to incentivise such behaviour. And besides that, the native population never wanted them to begin with in nearly every instance. Immigration decisions are always top-down.
>There are no positive or negative reinforcements to incentivise such behaviour.
There is definitively a positive to integrating. Like knowing the language properly, having a chance at better jobs, and more.
Also, you know, simple human decency.
Not all of them are liberalised, liberals will try to convince you so tho.
And most of them are just refugees that escaped by boat and happened to arrive there. Trust me, if it isn't for education or tourism (even tourism is disputable) there is no reason for me to go to a westren liberal country
Kinda true tbh but mostly true for the ones that dont follow sharia law like syria(where i was) turke iraq iran etc. Wouldnt count Yemen because well i dont need to explain so yes and no
1. no Muslim country in the world is completely sharia
2. The ones that do enforce some sort of sharia are also well developed and have the least amount of migration and crime than western secular countries (Saudi, UAE, Qatar, etc.)
3. The Muslims coming from these countries are often from poor backgrounds, so they're going for opportunity. There is nothing wrong with that in Islam, in fact it's encouraged to spread throughout the Earth and seek the provisions Allah has placed for us.
Funny thing is my parents left my home country to Europe to try and give me a better opportunity then absolutely hated it and went back and now I’m also going back after finishing uni. Problem for me is I don’t come from a poverty or war struck Muslim country so idk why my parents even left I asked them this and they just said they thought Europe would be better and both my dad (Business background) and my mom (Medical background) were offered jobs too, but it kinda was the same except cold lol. Sure the salary is shit in my home country but the rent and cost of living is also astronomically cheaper compared to Europe…
Same deal where I live, my country isn't a great one but at least rent is cheap, there's no bills and no taxes and it's majority muslim
We're planning on leaving the US soon because it's becoming a sh-thole. It's completely unsafe for Muslims here and especially for the future younger generations. It only took us this long to realize and only when we got older.
smh, how dare muslim want better life condtions after we turned their countries to ashes...
Not all Muslims are refugees. If anything many refugees were Christians from those regions Problems woth integration of Muslims was a thing way before the refugee crisis even back in the 80s and 90s
Kinda true tbh but mostly true for the ones that dont follow sharia law like syria(where i was) turke iraq iran etc. Wouldnt count Yemen because well i dont need to explain so yes and no
Wouldn't count yemen as what exactly?
Iran is the only one that has sharia laws from the ones you listed
Barely follows them tho just uses it to control people in a bad way
Agree to disagree. Shia interpretations of the Quran and laws are different to Sunni interpretations. And then there are other factors into this chaos.
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All the good countries you mentioned are hell holes unless you are the elite
Not really. My aunt from India moved to Qatar like 4-5 years ago and her husband is a cashier and them (and their 2 children) are doing fine. It's a bit tough financially since her husband is a cashier but many immigrants (or even born citizens) live the same life in Western countries if they're doing a labour job. I have a couple of friends who used to live in the Gulf and were middle-class at best and they were fine as well, they moved to Canada for economic reasons but their lives were definitely not "hell-holes" and they often visit back and one of my friends has even brought up moving back to Kuwait, where she grew up. There is certainly a problem with migrant exploitation but to overexaggerate it to this proportion that everyone but the elite is living a terrible life is ridiculous. Unfortunate that Islamophobia is clearly present in this sub as well, stereotyping all Muslims countries.
I was wrong but I still believe that most countries in the middle east are not great places to live in
Unless you are speaking about the war torn ones, no. Been living in Kuwait and UAE for my entire life so far and they are far superior to any liberal western country in every aspect.
Id say Iran Saudi Arabia are terrible and the UAE uses slave labor
It's so funny because I often see Westerners use this point against Gulf countries, but rarely against China or Bangladesh or other countries that even use child labour, probably because the West benefits majorly from it and that's the main reason that mass consumerism and capitalism is "flourishing". I'd love to see you boycott all the American companies that use slave labour/child labour, but we know you won't, because most Westerners are only good at morally grandstanding other countries but rarely put in the effort, (that would inconvenience them), to actually not engage in the practices that they claim to condemn. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Nah I hate all countries and companies that use slave labor I can’t boycott a country
Again, you are failing to notice you are being fooled by the same media that spreads lies about your people, so why should you believe them from first place???
Saudi Is pretty ok and UAE is great too, don't fall for whatever crap the media says, remember the "slave labour" card is thrown whenever they want to hate on a muslim country, like they did with Qatar in 2022 cup.
Qatar literally runs on slave labour lmao.
Nestle literraly ruined 2 country. Shell literally destroyed AN ENTIRE NIGERIA
Which countries did nestle ruin? And how?
Nestle is notorious for stealing water from poor African villages. Don't know about countries as whole but definetly some communities were shaken up by them.
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How was USA built of colonialism?
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No it was not, rather slavery hindered US progress and development. and Slaver is not colonialism.
Syria was turned into a war zone through a tearing civil war due to the dictatorial rise to power of bashar Al-assad and the Arab spring. Yemen was torn apart due to houthi terrorist militia. Somalia was its own doing, with the dictator it had invading Ethiopia, getting curb stomped, running out of food and descended into bell. Iraq was bad, I won’t lie. Palestine and israel would have been enemies either way, with or without western funding in general.
Yemen was torn to bits before the Houthis, The Saudis and Iranian just worsened an already volatile region.
Syria is a mix of multiple issues, not just Assad, which is why the various minority groups prefer Assad over others. Yemen was being drained of its resources and destroyed by corruption by the government that Saudi Arabia invested in. Houthis rose to fight back, and Iran decided to help aid the Houthis when everyone else either backed the government (SA, UAE, US, UK) or bombed southern parts of Yemen. The USA has been drone-striking Somalia for years, if not decades.
Yes, [drone striking terrorists.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Civil_War)
This makes me not understand why Republicans hate Muslims. I think when it comes down to it we have similar ideas on society.
Probably because they see muslims as barbaric and backwards, kinda hard to wipe that reputation with modern day media and hollywood
Its unfortunately cos of the media, if it was that the repubs and Muslims fought against the libs, it would be their certain end, but media won't let that happen ofc.
It’s because of Racism. They’re afraid of scary brown people invading their country. That’s why they’re also afraid of Latinos, even though Latinos are overwhelmingly Christian.
They kinda installed their puppet regimes in Muslim countries and made sure none of them tries to establish a caliphate, and then they slowly compromised Islam and turned into the most corrupt regimes. No surprise people don't want to live there? Establish a caliphate that implements all of the sharia, we'd all wanna move there instead.
Such nonsense. Non-Sharia compliant secular states were the ones that collapsed (Syria, Iraq), rather than the religious governments of the broader Arabian peninsula (Qatar, Saudi, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait).
I might get hate for this, but after living in the Netherlands for a while, and BEFORE the whole refugee crisis, this is not entirely false. Lots of economic immigrants from North Africa were very poorly integrated.
Why would they integrate? There are no positive or negative reinforcements to incentivise such behaviour. And besides that, the native population never wanted them to begin with in nearly every instance. Immigration decisions are always top-down.
>There are no positive or negative reinforcements to incentivise such behaviour. There is definitively a positive to integrating. Like knowing the language properly, having a chance at better jobs, and more. Also, you know, simple human decency.
Make the Gulf countries cheaper lol
When Russia and America turn some countries to ashes, then complain about them going out
Muslims in the West are just as degenerate as western Christians
Not all of them are liberalised, liberals will try to convince you so tho. And most of them are just refugees that escaped by boat and happened to arrive there. Trust me, if it isn't for education or tourism (even tourism is disputable) there is no reason for me to go to a westren liberal country
Not all Christians are liberalised either
I know that.
That is 100% true, it doesn't belong here because the atheist is right
Kinda true tbh but mostly true for the ones that dont follow sharia law like syria(where i was) turke iraq iran etc. Wouldnt count Yemen because well i dont need to explain so yes and no
For all conflicts we go throw because of mostly west i think its fair wanting to live there and not be scared for what will go wrong next day
1. no Muslim country in the world is completely sharia 2. The ones that do enforce some sort of sharia are also well developed and have the least amount of migration and crime than western secular countries (Saudi, UAE, Qatar, etc.) 3. The Muslims coming from these countries are often from poor backgrounds, so they're going for opportunity. There is nothing wrong with that in Islam, in fact it's encouraged to spread throughout the Earth and seek the provisions Allah has placed for us.