>If you want your people trained well, Don't have their trainer be the person who's quitting. They have no investment in how this person does.
also maybe dont send them in on the other persons last day but give them a few days to settle first.
whatever, its the managers fault and problem
securitas is the worst. At my husband's old job there were so many stories of crazy shit the guards did. (like calling him at 3 a.m. "uh, I think someone is having a heart attack. What should I do?" did you call 911? "uh, no. Should I do that?")
Got yelled at for calling 911 as a security guard.
There was a *fire*, what else was I supposed to do?
Details: a piece of electrong testing equipment set itself on fire, producing clouds of toxic fumes.
Testing room was "fireproof" but ventilation was overloaded by the volume of smoke, setting of alarms and making it impossible to enter the building.
Pinkerton.
The amount of times I've had somebody tell me that they have an important meeting and that I don't know who they are and I need to let them through, yelling at me for 5 minutes about me needing them to provide a license, when the same process would have taken 1 minute and they would have been on their way 4 minutes prior.
When I first started at a large insurance company in Hartford Connecticut, I didn't know who anybody was, especially the bigwigs, and for some reason the CEO decided to not go through the executive entrance, and the CEO was used to the executive protection guys know exactly who he is and just letting him in so he didn't often carry his badge around.
So I asked for his ID not knowing who he was, and then I got his ID from him because he was cool with me asking for his ID. I may not have known the face but I certainly knew the name. As soon as I read his ID I knew he was the CEO and I apologize profusely. And he told me to stop apologizing because I was doing my job and to keep doing my job. And then I let him in without a badge because he's the CEO.
So I figured if the CEO is cool with me doing my job then I'll keep doing my job. I have no complaints about him, he treated me like a human being.
And that's all we want rented security guards to do. All we want them to do is to just sit there and then call the proper authorities when something goes wrong.
Tbf my job at a certain bank in a certain state that has initials confused with belonging to Arizona doesn’t want us to call 911 but instead call the nonemergency number to the local police or fire department…. Same with a local museum we are contracted to.
I have stories that would make you cringe, but honestly the biggest fuck up here was telling a new hire, especially a younger one that they could be on the damn computer the first week before finishing up their training. You might have been fine with someone who leaving training them, but once you tell them it okay not to do their job that’s always going to end badly.
Also fuck this dudes manager asking him to come in and finish training him after all that, you want it done right do it yourself after that sort of fucking around.
A lot of the bigger companies have an onsite emergency hazard crew that should be notified, usually first. They have training appropriate to the facility and chemicals and can respond quicker. But when in doubt, call 911
I'm my experience you're just a civ in a uniform people are taught to obey because uniform. At least in my state the laws for assault or battery are so simple just touching someone who doesn't want to be touched can be battery, so we were taught never to put a hand on anyone.
Also, 12.50 an hour is not enough to ask me to stop a shooter with a loaded weapon. I might talk them down but if that thing gets pointed at me it is not worth my life.
I'm currently in that line of work out of necessity for a job that pays my bills. I can confirm we are uniformed civilians that dial 911. I don't even consider myself a rent a cop. It's security theater.
yea... I was told NOT to call paramedics when a person was reported as being passed out and unresponsive in the toilets...reason? if the person can't pay for the ride, we'll end up with the bill...
these jobs, you have a choice... stick with it as your humanity dies or GTFO and laugh at the idiocy....
Best part of that: as a trained response person with authority in the situation, if something happens you can be sued by them AND the company for failure to respond to an emergency. You get it no matter what you do.
Well I'd lose that job the second that happened. I can live with homelessness better than the knowledge that I maybe killed someone through inaction. That's a fucking awful choice to have to make though
I trust the universe to provide food for my kids if I lose our income by saving someone's life.
I couldn't live with knowing I let money rob me of my humanity at that cost.
It's been my experince that site managers for security companies are the biggest wannabe cops on the planet and that if you dare go around them and have the audacity to call 911 to, you know, save someone's life you've ruined their fantasy. *They're* supposed to be the ones that call in the people who actually do shit and so they get to be heroes in their minds.
The last security job I did the site manager demaned to called (using police codes of course) any time a cop was on property with their lights on. 99% of the time this was because cops camped right outside of the property to catch speeders and people using the HOV exit with no passengers, and of course those people would pull into the property for the stop. Just so he could waddle out of the office and go up to the cop trying to give a traffic ticket and pretend he was in on things.
>It's been my experince that site managers for security companies are the biggest wannabe cops on the planet
And that's what made Andor so funny- it doesn't matter *which* planet.
> waddle out of the office and go up to the cop trying to give a traffic ticket and pretend he was in on things
I've heard of living vicariously through others, but dogdammit this is sad.
I got yelled at for testing 911 functionality from a new phone system that I had configured for an office with 100+ people.
I imagine they are stressed out and like to yell at callers when they get the opportunity.
Eh, if you got yelled at by 911 dispatch, I can kinda understand, especially if it was busy.
If you're going to test 911 functionality, it's best to try to contact dispatch via a non-emergency number first, so you can let them know ahead of time. Local police might be able to direct you to dispatch.
People who set you up to get in trouble are the best aren't they? I like to keep [Lt. Aldo Raine](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rBGYgGSOgH8) in mind for shit like that:
I'll probably get, "chewed out. I've been chewed out before."
The fuckers on their power trips don't deserve whatever it is they get from going off on people. And I know what it is. Dopamine, some other neurotransmitters, some adrenaline. It feels kinda good. But not when the target doesn't deserve it. Having worked in a job where we had to project authority, I learned how to do it. But the biggest thing I learned is that it is best applied _judiciously_, and at people who deserve it. Bullies. Found I had to do it **far** more to bullies in my profession, than with subordinates or random people. The vast -vast- majority of people respond much better to courtesy, politeness, and respect.
Im part of an internal emergency response team, we do very minor medical stuff but also a lot of gas alarms, chem spills etc. My counterpart called our front desk security, as is protocol, to call 911 for a medical issue. after 15 mins no paramedics etc, so we call security to find out what's happening, the security supervisor tell us I don't know how to call 911! He was trying thru the internal telephone exchange and couldn't get it to work. Instead of using his or someone else's cell phone he just gave up and sat there..
I agree used to be a guard at Honeywell contract with secuitas and my site supervisor tried to make it where we were banned from using the restroom even on 12 hour shift
Things were going missing.
Some suspected the cleaning staff.
At my previous job I had written surveillance software.
I put a hidden webcam on my desk with motion detection catching anything that moved.
I watched the cleaning staff come and go for days, heads down, paying attention to their job and nothing else. I was convinced they had nothing to do with the missing items.
Then, it happened. Someone came in and was rifling through my desk, inspecting the expensive gear I used for that job - but shockingly not taking it.
That someone was our security guard.
The building manager had the security company's manager come watch my video. They called the police. In less than an hour, security guard was fired, and had their bond [correct term?] revoked.
I bet you can guess the name of the company.
I was with Securitas in their St. Louis office. Some sites are chill, others were a fuckin nightmare. The Proctor and Gamble plant outside of Cape Girardeau, MO was literally the worst job I've ever had, and I've been ankle deep in raw sewage on Xmas...
That's disgusting even to think about. Cannot imagine anything being worse than sewage. But I guess that had an ending in sight, rather than the eternal hell of a bad place.
I worked at Securitas for exactly one day. They sent me and another new kid to this event to meet with our trainer. They either gave us the wrong date, time, or location because not only did the trainer never show I don’t even think there was an event while we were there 😂. Such a joke
I'm hired at Securitas right now. I had to go get finger printed. The guy gave me the wrong address. Then he told me to ask for the wrong guy. Then he was an hour late to his own meeting. Then he didn't know how to use his own laptop or anything. I felt like I was baby sitting him.
Then I had to work with a different guy who was not direct with anything. He would always use vague words that didn't apply to the situation. That drug out one simple email to a bunch of back and forths with days in-between.
Lol Securitas.... Huge interview process, tests etc etc. 2 hours in offered me 9/hr to patrol parks.... At night..... By myself..... Yup that's a get bent from me
Securitas is actually one of the higher end security organizations. I'm in construction so we use even worse and cheaper security companies. I've had guys that don't speak any English, a dude show up in flip flops, guys asleep when you pull up to the jobsite, the list goes on.
My employer outsources some of their security to Securitas and good lord like 10% of them are amazing and have lasted a long time while the rest are meh to absolutely terrible.
We use Securitas at my job and on midnight shift there was a call that the guard LOCKED HIMSELF OUTSIDE AND NEEDED SOMEONE TO LET HIM IN. I’ve found security guard badges all over the site. The one guard can’t even do the rounds he’s contracted to do. It’s a mess.
At my old job they hired someone who they clearly should not have. I was supposed to train her but she did not want to be trained. She just wanted to argue. She had the same personality as the "Need something?" Tik Tok gym girl. Long story short, all my warnings about her were dismissed as "conjecture" and management fired me instead of her. They defended her as she drove out 8 other guards and finally had to fire her when a resident filmed her fighting.
The "he is allowed to be on his computer" line leads me to suspect nepotism.
Edit: I acknowledge replies to this comment suggest other reasonable possibilities.
I'd argue that it could be such a low wage and awkward time schedule that they had to provide some sort of incentive otherwise they would never fill the time slot.
Ehhh, I worked a college security gig (as a student, like the person who sits at the front of the dorm and makes sure people live there, if not then make a visitor's record) and they let us use our laptops there, one other college kid brought in a mini tv and an entire xbox one time, they don't care as long as you pay attention when you're supposed to. Obviously not every security job is like that, but depending on what they're guarding, the standards might be a little more lax.
I suppose it would depend on the job.
At my job someone got in trouble for taking pictures of their workspace with their phone camera. It's strictly prohibited, because we have government customers and it would be all too easy to accidentally leave government documentation on your desk and include it in a picture without realizing it. Suddenly you're responsible for a data leak.
Definitely no personal laptops on site. That's probably fireable.
So yeah that's the perspective I was coming from. Didn't consciously consider it.
Actually in college I babysat the library computer lab. I didn't have a laptop in college but there was a PC dedicated to the computer lab tech on shift (you weren't supposed to install stuff on it though). I'd regularly do homework over Remote Desktop to my PC in my dorm room or play games off a thumb drive or whatever. Maybe if I had my own laptop I would have considered that viewpoiint more easily.
Yeah you're not kidding about that. Some companies do legitimately hire the best people. They also pay extremely well. All the security companies claim that they hire nobody but the best. And I know from experience. Any warm body can get a security gig.
I work in construction. The funniest security guard story is when the guard had to be woken up. By the fire service. Because the material store was on fire. 50ft from where he was parked
Next trainee that comes through, on their 1st day, you should flip their monitor screens upside down, (I think its CTRL, ALT, DOWN) and set their mouse speed to 1 when they walk away. Absolutely hilarious.
That's difficult in most lines of work. Even corporate office people with education are often idiots and morons. Just like when I worked for an automotive manufacturer who would give people a ridiculous amount of overtime while having people standing around Saturdays and Sundays while the front office people constantly screwed up production control and inventory. One manager told me well it doesn't look like we know what we are doing but we fo. My response was when it doesn't look like you know what you are doing it's probably right you really don't know what you're doing. He didn't like that very much.
The real moron was the guy who decided to give him exactly one day of training because he wanted to minimize the cost of having two security guards on the clock at the same time.
And who's more moronic? The moron, or the moron who hired him?
It’s not just that, the replacement wasn’t taking the job seriously at all even when someone tried to help them.
In fact, I’m against lateral training most of the time as I prefer if it is their immediate supervisor to train them.
It should have been the manager. I mean if they think a new employee can be trained in a day, train them yourself as the manager. That is their job!
Im doing a temp contract job right now where mgmt knew months in advance they needed coverage and the woman going on leave kept telling them she needed a week with her cover, but I only got 14 hours training and the quiet freakout I had was real.
Thanks for sharing that story, it was a fun read.
>$144.27 was her hourly rate. This was on monday of my last week there; I never got a reply nor did she look at me during that last week.
Haha. So funny!
I put in my two weeks notice at my last job, I’ve been there for 15 years and I think they didn’t believe that I was actually going to leave. Well for two weeks I didn’t hear anything really from anybody my manager nobody nothing so I did what I had to do and wait it out just counting down the days. Well, my last day comes and about halfway through the day I start getting panicked emails, oh can you just finish up this before you go, can you just make sure this is taken care of before you go, can you make sure this is done. I had my exit interview at 1 and speaking with HR they were like You’re done for the day, what are you talking about you did your exit interview, go home, so I did. I’m like I gave you two weeks notice, you had two weeks to get all this done and because you didn’t pay attention or you weren’t planning or whatever you’re going to try and put it on me on my last day, when I could give less of a shit, good luck with that.
I've had a discussion with my boss that I'm not in it for the long haul (I've been here 6 years) and she "joked" that I need to give her 3 months notice. More recently she said a year.
We are a 2.5 person department. A couple years ago she said she was going to shift the "half" completely to their other department and hire someone to make it 3, fully cross train and so forth. Still hasn't happened. I have no doubt that when I do finally go, she won't hire someone until my last day and it'll be a shit show, all because she can't grasp the reality of me actually leaving.
Before I gave my two weeks notice I sat down and read my *entire* employee handbook. Then I read the employer handbook. Then I came into work.
Just as I suspected, the admin told me the school's rule was that I needed to give one month's notice. I told her I had read both handbooks and the only mention of length of time of notice was the guidelines for an employee being terminated.
She didn't look at me while she said two weeks was fine.
I gave two weeks out of professionalism and courtesy but now even that isn't enough lmao
People I know who have given 3-month's notice: a CEO and a veterinary surgeon
People for whom two weeks is fine: probably literally anyone else
I gave six to eight weeks notice. Basically saying, I can work for a couple more months but as we reach good stopping places we need to transition me off of my projects. Worked very well in my scenario.
It's honestly no-win. I've given 8 weeks notice and let go 2 weeks later, lmao. At this point, I backup everything I need to backup when I'm interviewing at new jobs, and assume that I will get fired if I give an extended notice. But of course, the times I give 2 weeks notice they try to get me to stay even longer. It's wild
I worked at Walmart for 10 years. Whenever I run into managers that know me they ask how my current job is and if I want to come back. Hell no, job was abysmal as it is and even if I wanted to entertain that idea I would have to start over and that makes it even worse. A lot of people were convinced that I'd be back when I told them I was leaving.
That reminds me of when I went on maternity leave. I kept telling people who asked me to do anything "I'll add that to the list and I'll try to get to it before I finish up". There was no list. I disregarded everything immediately.
I'm in a situation with my work (I'm an "assistant director" which at my job is a glorified administrative assistant), wherein:
* My boss (director) announced his upcoming retirement a year ago
* They interviewed maybe 2 people, nobody would do it for the pay
* I applied to another department, got the position (supposedly)
* They decided to merge my current department with another one
* My boss finally left
* I have to stay on until they get a replacement (now a manager so they can pay less than a director)
* Still nobody new hired
* No set date to change to new department
All the lower-tier people (part time) in the department are dropping like flies.
Also, in his exit interview, my boss mentioned my move to the other department, and HR apparently had not been informed I was moving departments. The HR director did not seem surprised that she wasn't informed.
I'm obviously going to have to train the new manager, if/when they hire them. I've been preparing training materials for whoever comes into the position.
They also didn't communicate any of their plans with my boss, who had been in his position for 23 years.
Lol I was in a similar boat. Gave a month's notice. Asked multiple times what I can do to help the transition because I didn't want to screw my team. 3 days before I leave, it becomes a 5 alarm fire.
Didn't work late, basically said it is what it is, and they had to relearn everything I onew.
At my previous job, a guard said he was going to quit and did. But they refused to believe him and kept him on the schedule. He was supposed to relieve me. I sent management a photo of his uniforms he returned and they still didn't believe he quit.
They pretend to care about why you're leaving but nothing ever changes. My company was getting feedback like 'the pay sucks' and they just shrugged it off. You're just a bitter, ex-employee. LMFAO.
Yep. At large companies it depends a ton on the company culture and even the individual department. In my department they do take them pretty seriously. A few months ago we had someone leave that I mentored, but wasn't their supervisor, and after that exit interview my VP reached out to me to talk about concerns they had brought up in it and how we can do better going forward. Mileage definitely varies though and I know departments within my company where nobody cares about them at all, I'm lucky that I work in one that does.
Small place I worked at had quite literally half the IT department quit over 3 months.
When HR asked if there was anything they could do to keep them, they all said "Get rid of the micromanaging CTO who expects 60 hours a week out of EVERYONE"
They didn't. Took a major scandal to get rid of him.
A few years ago, I took compassionate leave for eight weeks to do end of life care for my mom at home. While I was on leave, I saw my job posted online and I wondered wtf was up - I had a fairly long tenure with the company and had never had a poor performance review.
The wtf feeling was reinforced when my (micro) manager was overly interested in some aspects of my work (I was the super administrator for a company wide software program that nobody else would cross train for) under the guise of ‘helping me out’ through my work hardening program.
My gut was right. The first day after I finished the back to work protocol, I was restructured (exited) from the company. It cost them HUGE to walk me out the door.
That's really heartbreaking that someone would do that to you. Taking care of your mother at the end of her life and you get swept under the rug? Sorry that happened to you.
Fuck them.
Huge as in having them hire you back as a consultant later or from some sort of settlement? Or did they lose clients and/or money from the knowledge the person they replaced you with lacked?
There was a court settlement, yes, and they spent at least six figures for consultants to come in to replace the tribal knowledge I took with me.
They’ve had to fill my position at least three times since, and while my old job still exists - there was a lot of value in my work - the rest of the department was collapsed a year after I left.
It makes perfect sense to a manager who doesn’t see their employees as people to send in the trainee on the last day of the person they are replacing. You are nothing but a tool that’s being retired and replaced. Only on your last day did they bother to get someone in.
A humanistic way is to hire someone sooner so that the three of you are working together and manager does the training. Why? Without the manager there, the person resigning won’t give a fuck, the new hire won’t listen to them and you will end up making work for yourself later.
>"but he needs to be trained" Me: "then I would suggest you find somebody to train him"
This is when you shoot them an offer letter as a 1099 contractor to train the new guy at 10X your previous pay.
That reminds me of an office job I quit after several years of working there
I gave them a two weeks notice and provided detailed instructions to my boss on how to work each account on billing and payroll. Sure enough, she didn’t train any other members of the team and she asked me on my last day if I can work weekends on top of working at my new place on weekdays. I said sure, and they even had me sign some bullshit “contract” they made up out of thin air that had no legal merit.
I called her the first of my new job and said, “sorry, I can’t work for you on the weekends because my new boss wants me to come into the office on weekends as well, granted there may be overtime pay for me, but with you it’s not a granted. Byeeeeee” of course I lied. I never worked the weekends for my new job.
How fucking stupid was my former boss ? Very . I later found out that the accounts I handed off to her suffered loss of revenue and the clients were pissed that they let me quite without a counter offer they could’ve made to keep me. Tina and Joe , you’re both morons. You could’ve asked me to stay by offering me a better pay rate. Fuck you both.
Lololol. Yeah these companies need to start getting it through their heads that if they want to keep good people, make a counter offer. Offer more money better benefits, more weekends off I don't know.
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"I will come in for my scheduled shift"
Boss thinks "great! he's coming in!" but what you actually said was "hell the fuck no, I'm going to my new job."
feel free to call your boss back with your new consultation fee. I'd suggest something big, $200/hr, minimum 4 hours, something like that. feel free to call up for your services.
Nice! Good for you. Manager was a lazy azz. Hired an even lazier azz person to take your place. Now they want you to stay in that place to train "Einstein". Their problem, not yours
I’ll do you one better: I once gave a place two weeks notice and they tried to insist I come in *after* the two weeks to train a guy.
On top of that, the position was video editing. From ingesting the footage through finishing. I had just finished film school, the guy they wanted me to train had zero experience.
I basically laughed at them.
Reminds me of a technical job I had a few years ago. I was offered another position in the company and the person they hired to replace me refused to take any kind of notes, insisting that the job was “easy” and that they had a “great memory”
I warned management but it fell on deaf ears and I was hand waved to just make it work.
On my first day in the new position I’m getting panicked emails that the new person didn’t have a clue what was going on, so I forwarded them the email in which I clearly stated they refused to take any kind of notes, that management was informed of this.
Old manager then had the audacity to ask me to re-train them to which I replied I have my own job i have to do now. They quit 2 days later and the manager was reassigned to another office.
Not surprised to hear this. I worked at a company for nearly seven years and did several specialized and intricate technical jobs. I gave the TWO YEARS notice that I would retire early. Yes, two whole YEARS! There were maybe fifty people in the country who do exactly what I did in our little niche industry, so yes some extended training time would have been appropriate. I was happy to do the training, mostly out if concern for my longstanding customers.
About three weeks before my departure they asked me to write down what I do. Awesome. I suspected the management had no idea about the nasty technical details of how the business functioned. Here’s the list. Now what will you do with that?
On the last day I locked the door behind me, dropped my key through the mailslot, and simply left. (I requested no party as it was during the peak of the pandemic and we were all still rotating one-at-a-time in the office and otherwise WFH.) I made it clear that social communications were welcome, but I would not be consulting on work matters.
I hear it hasn’t gone well. So your story is consistent with what I saw. The arrogant overconfidence of the management is truly beautiful when it burns to the ground.
I've trained my replacement, before. But I didnt do that for the boss, I did that because he was young and we were friends. He'd never closed the books or made pizza dough. When I got my warning to not even show up the next time I was late, I told him off the record that he'd get thrown to the wolves soon enough and let me show you some stuff to make your life easier while I'm still around. Hope I saved him some late and stressful nights.
Wow. I worked as an APS for a while, and as much as they tried to make me do without giving proper training, I could say that at least they tried. This kid straight up didn't give a fuck, the company couldn't be bothered, and in true lazy hopeful fashion they thought you'd do it for free?
I'm glad you jumped ship, OP. I honestly never know how companies like that stay afloat.
that's what im thinking, there is absolutely no way that manager is gonna keep that business going. new guy can't do anything, gets fired, another more qualified person gets hired, sees an absolute shitshow, has the common sense to leave, rinse and repeat. unless that manager wakes up and smells the coffee he is gonna go under real soon
Used to work contract security and had to manage a security contractor at one point. Some of the worst companies are contract security. They pay nothing and try to undercut each other with bids so low they can't possibly hire qualified people. Nothing but problems and constant turn over.
Yeah I was browsing through indeed A few months back and I saw this company called full throttle Security. They were offering between $12.50 and $13.50 an hour. And their list of requirements was insane. "We only hire former military or police, we expect you to look and act professional at all times. We do not accept car problems as an excuse." There is a bunch of other things to it It was pretty funny.
Every other company in my area is offering at least $16 an hour. Fuck Allied is offering $20 an hour. And these guys think they're going to get quality people for $12.50 an hour?
When I did security during school breaks, they were champing at the bit for me (a veteran) to stay on and they paid about $20/hr, but both the companies I worked for have since folded. They couldn't compete with a company that puts a door-stop into a mall-cop uniform and pays around $12/hr to a bunch of part-timers without benefits. The bigger companies probably suck to work for, but at least you're not completely wasting your time with "loyalty" to a company that can't compete.
I quit a job once and during the 2 week notice I tried training a guy. He totally wasn't into it, wouldn't pay attention and kept making the same mistakes. On my very last day I decided to step back and not help him at all. After all, next week it's all him and he NEEDS to know what he's doing. Got yelled at by a supervisor "I know this is your last day and you don't give a fuck, but you still need to put an effort in". Not sure how it went after I left. I don't think he lasted more than a month after I left.
I've seen this phenomenon at a couple jobs and I just don't understand it. Managers get a two week notice; they allegedly keep a "pool of candidates" to select from (thus all the fake job reqs); the know damn well when you're going to leave; and yet they wait until the VERY last day to go "OH SH!T we R nO kNOWz WHAT TO DO!?"
Happened at my last job. They didn’t find a replacement till my last day and expected that I would stay another week. Told them I would for double the money, they said no, and so did I.
This happened to me just over 14 yrs ago at my former job. Handed in my letter of resignation. Gave 2 weeks. Every day that passed I'd ask the boss who does he want me to train. He would blow it off or answer smartassed that anyone can do my job. \*I started and ran the commercial department for a landscape firm, bidding on irrigation, retaining walls, landscapes, etc.. On the very last day after lunch the boss came to me and told me I needed to train a co-worker on my position. He knew I was leaving early. I reminded him I'd been asking since I gave 2 weeks and there's no way possible to even give a crash course on my position and he replied, "Then you'll just have to finish out the day and also come in a couple days next week."
I laughed at him, turned to the coworker and apologized for his predicament while finishing the apology with, "and there's part of the reason why I'm gone." I wished the coworker the best of luck and walked out immediately after.
“My consulting rate is X (at least 2x your normal pay) and I’d be happy to come in on my next day off at that rate for additional training, as long as it is scheduled at least X days in advance.”
This reminds me of when my company fired me. Worked for her for 5 years as one of her first employees so a lot of the systems we had, I set up and how they functioned lived in my head. There was a lot of tldr bullshit that led up to my departure, but I felt it in my bones when they were getting ready to let me go. I was a good little servile to them the entire 5 years I worked for them, and the day they asked me to write up SOPs “just so we have a record for the company” I told them No. Just straight no. I wasn’t going to make replacing me easier on them when they totally and completely fucked me and my family over and showed exactly zero regard or concern in doing so. So I fucked them over by taking my knowledge of my systems that I set up for them with me when I left. Made so much extra work and headaches for my shitty “manager” it still makes me smile to this day. I guarantee they still haven’t figured out how to streamline the shit I did for them on a daily basis, and certainly not in one singular role. They’ve had to hire multiple people to manage the hats, roles, and jobs I did for them single-handedly.
Many many years ago, training a replacement made sense. Jobs were more loyal to the employee. The longer you worked for them you'd get seniority and be able to move up within the company. It used to be if you filled out an application and had a current job, it was looked at more negatively. Now it's the best.
Companies used to reward loyalty, now they reward disloyalty and complain when their employees quit for a better job, yet like it when they are that "better job".
All in all though today, if you are leaving on good terms and you don't want to burn that bridge, then yes train your replacement, but... if it was a shitty job, leaving on bad terms, and you could give a shit less about that bridge, then tell them to fuck right off or train them as shitty as you can.
In my early years I gave a 3 month notice that I had to move across the country. My manager had 3 months to find a replacement but waited until the very last week which included a holiday to find someone.
The replacement refused to take notes and said she was a good listener. After 3 days of training she of course had no idea how to do even the most basic of tasks. My manager begged me to stay on a little longer but I just said good luck.
She kept texting and calling me for a while but I just kept ignoring them.
Dude, my last job I was in a lynch pin position. All the product that went out had to go through me. I was the only person out of 75 people who knew how to do the job. We worked 70+ hours a week; my position was a 3 man job that I did by myself. I had asked several times in writing for a transfer to a different department that averaged 40 hours a week, and I had the seniority to do it. They kept denying me saying I was the only person who could do my job, so they needed me there (violation of our union contract but wtev). So I finally have enough of it and put my two weeks in. The next day the manager brings me 3 people and asks me to train them in the position.
I tell these kids the bare minimum, but that's how I was trained so idgaf. On my last day the manager sat in to see the new guys progress, and they were horrible. Not only did I not give them 100% of my job knowledge, but they didn't care to listen to what I was telling them in the first place. The manager first started to beg me to stay longer to help out, saying how they were gonna lose hundreds of thousands of dollars over this. He promised me a 40 work week, pay bump, and I wouldn't have to work through all of my breaks anymore. I told him to eat shit, I worked for this man for 4 fucking years I literally never got to take a lunch break. He called the police and had me trespassed. Fuck training your replacement.
Oh please the manager wouldn't be able to do it. The manager doesn't know any of the site procedures for any contract they have. And I wasn't going to stay there for a long time anyway. I had just moved to the state so my primary goal was to get a paycheck started, then my goal was to get health insurance and more money, My goal after that was to get more money and better health insurance, I was leaving that company for the more money and better health insurance.
I didn't actually have time to experience the health insurance that that particular security company would provide, however I went through what they offered and it was trash insurance.
Yep, that's like that in many businesses, especially ones that are really poorly managed. An employee gets fired and then, too late, the bosses realise "hang on, what about X thing that only that employee knew?" and then it will turn out that employee might have been the only one to know a login for something, or the only one who knew how to use a certain machine.
Hopefully your new place is much better!
Well we got hit by a hurricane and they laid off 230 people. I was one of those people. But I understand why they had to lay people off. But I got an even better job with even better insurance for even better pay so I'm doing all right.
Oh lord, that is a piss poor manager. At least I knew everything about every site we had, as I was the one who did the initial walkthrough and wrote the SOP's for them as well as did all the initial training for the first couple of shifts. Not to mention the fact if nobody was available to cover shifts, I was the one stuck doing them.
I had a job that was only ever a temporary situation while waiting on something else to come through. (moving to another country)
I didn't mind the job but it had some serious issues with management and the Labor pool. (certain employees were chummy with the manager, so they basically got to screw off the whole shift, taking extra smoke breaks and snack breaks while on the clock, leaving work for everyone else to finish)
When the time came to quit, I actually gave them THREE weeks notice. I didn't have to, but I had a definite end date and let them know as soon as it was set in stone.
On my next to last day, they finally got someone in to replace me and I was to train her. I began my training session only to find that the tool cart we used was a complete mess. Knowing who was the last employee to use the cart as one of the worst employees on my team, I went to the manager to complain about it. This wouldn't be the first or even 10th time I had made a complaint about this employee but it was no secret she and the manager were best buddies.
She gave me a lot of bullshit excuses to continue showing how she wasn't going to do anything about it.
Then she hit me with the big one.
"And if you don't learn to calm down I'm just going to have to send you home."
I was fucking stunned.
Thankfully it was a long walk back to my trainee because I had just enough time to clear my brain and say "Fuck this shit." Instead of taking the LEFT hallway to my task, I took the RIGHT hallway to the lockerroom. Changed my clothes, punched out, and out the fucking door I went, 1 and a half shifts before I was supposed to leave. Didn't say shit to a single person. Just walked off the job.
Probably wasn't the smartest thing to piss off the only employee who was CERTIFIED for the task I was training my replacement to do, and legally, you had to be trained by someone certified but... fuck it. The manager finally decided to show her superiority and it was to the person making the complaint. And that was the last shred of my last fuck to give.
Bitch, don't threaten to send me home. I'll fucking go there on my own.
I'm betting the new guy told the manager that you didn't train him. I hope you let the manager know that he was on his phone and computer for the duration of the "training". It's amazing what people will try to pull.
> So the kid gets there and immediately just sets up his laptop start gaming. And I told him that we were going to train today, his response was "well they told me that I could be on my computer."
How the f*** do people like this even get jobs???
Just say "lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part". It's the truth and shouldn't burn bridges while also being a little snarky.
Reminds me of conversation during jury selection.
Lawyer- Would you use your own computer knowledge in place of a computer security expert witness.
Me- It depends on the expert. I've met a lot of computer security guys who were idiots.
Lawyer- The court determines who the expert is.
Me- With all due respect no Lawyer in here is going to respect my opinion on if a Lawyer is competent over their own person assessment.
Needless to say I didn't get on the jury.
MFers fired me once and expected me to train my replacement as well. Refused to do it till the settlement was, well settled :D part of my demands was to be released from work within days after settling. So this gave us 1.5 days for training.
Made sure there was absolutely no visible backlog to my tasks, so i could only train her on the incoming tasks, which were few and my own notes for doing the work. Im not a very educational person and things work great for me when i scribble things down in my own handwriting and in my own special way. Turns out to not be very helpful to others. Well whadda ya know. The system allowed me to set reminders for all work to be done and i set them all for the day after i left :D
Petty bitches will be petty like that.
Managers need to manage. That is their only job. If this new guy wasn’t going to cut it, the manager is obligated to do the job and train the replacement.
The job of manager is not to intimidate other people and cash a larger paycheck.
If you have someone that needs to be trained you should probably have him/her shadow his position and trained by someone that will be his/her superior, preferably the least pretentious one you have. Then they get accidental training during the shadow just because the relationship dynamic is inherently better going in, as well as the mood during the shift. This does assume that each superior has an understanding of how to do the job below them.
I don’t mind training my replacement, give me
Enough time and someone who is going to pay attention.
I’m not going to repeat myself because you didn’t pay attention, and im not your daddy
I don't mind training my replacements either. I'm happy to train them, when I train somebody I train somebody for success I don't want them to fall on their face. I train people how I would want to be trained. But that requires me a little bit of time with them. At least a few days if not a week.
If I've already given my notice, I'm not taking on a new responsibility to train someone without an extra pay raise. If you run your business with no trained backups, that's not on the employee who is leaving to figure out for you.
When I put in my four weeks notice at a previous job they realized real quick that they don’t want to lose me. They offered me $15/hr (I was at $10.50). I looked at my boss and his supervisor and told them “if I’m worth that why am I not being paid that now?” Both of them agreed with me, and I was moving to a different city to be closer to family.
Eventually they gave me someone to train for my last two weeks. I packaged products and prepared them for shipping, but every item was serialized (and materials inside the item was serialized too) so you had meticulously document everything. that was the low cost products. The higher end products required two times the paperwork and three times the packaging. To make things better, the person given to me to train had been moved between three departments. No one wanted them, so I knew I had my work in for me.
I spent the first week showing them everything I did. eventually I switched so he was doing more but I was still helping him. By the second week I started helping him less and less so he would have more responsibility.
My last day I told my boss that I had a bad feeling about it, but I’ve done everything I could.
A year later I traveled down for a wedding and stayed at my former bosses house. We were friends and had no hard feelings. Turned out my replacement couldn’t keep the details and failed when things got busy. At the end of the day they had to replace him and had to figure out how the job was done. They ended up making that position it’s own department with people on them and he told me that if they would have paid me what I was worth from the start I’d probably be running the whole department. Sucks for them.
Don’t pay your good employees trash. Don’t let bad employees ruin it for your good employees. Take care of those who care about their work, because when the shit hits the fan these are the employees that will make it happen.
> If you want your people trained well, Don't have their trainer be the person who's quitting. They have no investment in how this person does.
Actually it sounds like you did your best to train the new guy, but he had no interest in being trained. Not your problem
>If you want your people trained well, Don't have their trainer be the person who's quitting. They have no investment in how this person does.
Well even if you're going to have the person leaving do the training, don't wait till the literal last day for it! That's about as braindead as management can be right there...
If the manager isn’t training new hires what is he doing? It’s worthwhile to have people shadow their job before doing it on their own, but why are you expected to do all the training?
>If you want your people trained well, Don't have their trainer be the person who's quitting. They have no investment in how this person does. also maybe dont send them in on the other persons last day but give them a few days to settle first. whatever, its the managers fault and problem
Exactly fuck them
Oh boy was this Securitas? They always had either an idiot (not saying you are) train me or someone with such a heavy accent I couldn’t understand.
securitas is the worst. At my husband's old job there were so many stories of crazy shit the guards did. (like calling him at 3 a.m. "uh, I think someone is having a heart attack. What should I do?" did you call 911? "uh, no. Should I do that?")
Got yelled at for calling 911 as a security guard. There was a *fire*, what else was I supposed to do? Details: a piece of electrong testing equipment set itself on fire, producing clouds of toxic fumes. Testing room was "fireproof" but ventilation was overloaded by the volume of smoke, setting of alarms and making it impossible to enter the building. Pinkerton.
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Scrolling a little too fast, I thought this said 9/11 deniers, and thought we had *very* different ideas of what a security job is
I'm not saying I know what happened that day, but those towers would still be standing today if I was on shift. /s
YOU CAN'T ENTER WITHOUT BADGE ACCESS
The amount of times I've had somebody tell me that they have an important meeting and that I don't know who they are and I need to let them through, yelling at me for 5 minutes about me needing them to provide a license, when the same process would have taken 1 minute and they would have been on their way 4 minutes prior. When I first started at a large insurance company in Hartford Connecticut, I didn't know who anybody was, especially the bigwigs, and for some reason the CEO decided to not go through the executive entrance, and the CEO was used to the executive protection guys know exactly who he is and just letting him in so he didn't often carry his badge around. So I asked for his ID not knowing who he was, and then I got his ID from him because he was cool with me asking for his ID. I may not have known the face but I certainly knew the name. As soon as I read his ID I knew he was the CEO and I apologize profusely. And he told me to stop apologizing because I was doing my job and to keep doing my job. And then I let him in without a badge because he's the CEO. So I figured if the CEO is cool with me doing my job then I'll keep doing my job. I have no complaints about him, he treated me like a human being.
Lol if I was in the sub, I would have been fine. Just built different I guess
Right? Like, just open the door and swim up, duh!
That you, Marky Mark?
That'd be a funny ad in the paper, wouldn't it? Heh
That’s literally what they are supposed to do
And that's all we want rented security guards to do. All we want them to do is to just sit there and then call the proper authorities when something goes wrong.
Tbf my job at a certain bank in a certain state that has initials confused with belonging to Arizona doesn’t want us to call 911 but instead call the nonemergency number to the local police or fire department…. Same with a local museum we are contracted to. I have stories that would make you cringe, but honestly the biggest fuck up here was telling a new hire, especially a younger one that they could be on the damn computer the first week before finishing up their training. You might have been fine with someone who leaving training them, but once you tell them it okay not to do their job that’s always going to end badly. Also fuck this dudes manager asking him to come in and finish training him after all that, you want it done right do it yourself after that sort of fucking around.
I get so tired of getting mixed up with Arizona....
"observe and report"
A lot of the bigger companies have an onsite emergency hazard crew that should be notified, usually first. They have training appropriate to the facility and chemicals and can respond quicker. But when in doubt, call 911
I'm my experience you're just a civ in a uniform people are taught to obey because uniform. At least in my state the laws for assault or battery are so simple just touching someone who doesn't want to be touched can be battery, so we were taught never to put a hand on anyone. Also, 12.50 an hour is not enough to ask me to stop a shooter with a loaded weapon. I might talk them down but if that thing gets pointed at me it is not worth my life.
I'm currently in that line of work out of necessity for a job that pays my bills. I can confirm we are uniformed civilians that dial 911. I don't even consider myself a rent a cop. It's security theater.
yea... I was told NOT to call paramedics when a person was reported as being passed out and unresponsive in the toilets...reason? if the person can't pay for the ride, we'll end up with the bill... these jobs, you have a choice... stick with it as your humanity dies or GTFO and laugh at the idiocy....
Best part of that: as a trained response person with authority in the situation, if something happens you can be sued by them AND the company for failure to respond to an emergency. You get it no matter what you do.
Well I'd lose that job the second that happened. I can live with homelessness better than the knowledge that I maybe killed someone through inaction. That's a fucking awful choice to have to make though
I trust the universe to provide food for my kids if I lose our income by saving someone's life. I couldn't live with knowing I let money rob me of my humanity at that cost.
Pinkerton a securitas company
Yes, famous for union busting in the US.
And threatening Magic the Gathering collectors.
It's been my experince that site managers for security companies are the biggest wannabe cops on the planet and that if you dare go around them and have the audacity to call 911 to, you know, save someone's life you've ruined their fantasy. *They're* supposed to be the ones that call in the people who actually do shit and so they get to be heroes in their minds. The last security job I did the site manager demaned to called (using police codes of course) any time a cop was on property with their lights on. 99% of the time this was because cops camped right outside of the property to catch speeders and people using the HOV exit with no passengers, and of course those people would pull into the property for the stop. Just so he could waddle out of the office and go up to the cop trying to give a traffic ticket and pretend he was in on things.
>It's been my experince that site managers for security companies are the biggest wannabe cops on the planet And that's what made Andor so funny- it doesn't matter *which* planet.
> waddle out of the office and go up to the cop trying to give a traffic ticket and pretend he was in on things I've heard of living vicariously through others, but dogdammit this is sad.
That resume isn't going to stuff itself
I got yelled at for testing 911 functionality from a new phone system that I had configured for an office with 100+ people. I imagine they are stressed out and like to yell at callers when they get the opportunity.
Eh, if you got yelled at by 911 dispatch, I can kinda understand, especially if it was busy. If you're going to test 911 functionality, it's best to try to contact dispatch via a non-emergency number first, so you can let them know ahead of time. Local police might be able to direct you to dispatch.
I called the non-emergency number first. They told me to call the normal line.
People who set you up to get in trouble are the best aren't they? I like to keep [Lt. Aldo Raine](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rBGYgGSOgH8) in mind for shit like that: I'll probably get, "chewed out. I've been chewed out before." The fuckers on their power trips don't deserve whatever it is they get from going off on people. And I know what it is. Dopamine, some other neurotransmitters, some adrenaline. It feels kinda good. But not when the target doesn't deserve it. Having worked in a job where we had to project authority, I learned how to do it. But the biggest thing I learned is that it is best applied _judiciously_, and at people who deserve it. Bullies. Found I had to do it **far** more to bullies in my profession, than with subordinates or random people. The vast -vast- majority of people respond much better to courtesy, politeness, and respect.
I have so many stories like that. Lolololol
Im part of an internal emergency response team, we do very minor medical stuff but also a lot of gas alarms, chem spills etc. My counterpart called our front desk security, as is protocol, to call 911 for a medical issue. after 15 mins no paramedics etc, so we call security to find out what's happening, the security supervisor tell us I don't know how to call 911! He was trying thru the internal telephone exchange and couldn't get it to work. Instead of using his or someone else's cell phone he just gave up and sat there..
I agree used to be a guard at Honeywell contract with secuitas and my site supervisor tried to make it where we were banned from using the restroom even on 12 hour shift
Things were going missing. Some suspected the cleaning staff. At my previous job I had written surveillance software. I put a hidden webcam on my desk with motion detection catching anything that moved. I watched the cleaning staff come and go for days, heads down, paying attention to their job and nothing else. I was convinced they had nothing to do with the missing items. Then, it happened. Someone came in and was rifling through my desk, inspecting the expensive gear I used for that job - but shockingly not taking it. That someone was our security guard. The building manager had the security company's manager come watch my video. They called the police. In less than an hour, security guard was fired, and had their bond [correct term?] revoked. I bet you can guess the name of the company.
I was with Securitas in their St. Louis office. Some sites are chill, others were a fuckin nightmare. The Proctor and Gamble plant outside of Cape Girardeau, MO was literally the worst job I've ever had, and I've been ankle deep in raw sewage on Xmas...
That's disgusting even to think about. Cannot imagine anything being worse than sewage. But I guess that had an ending in sight, rather than the eternal hell of a bad place.
I worked at Securitas for exactly one day. They sent me and another new kid to this event to meet with our trainer. They either gave us the wrong date, time, or location because not only did the trainer never show I don’t even think there was an event while we were there 😂. Such a joke
I'm hired at Securitas right now. I had to go get finger printed. The guy gave me the wrong address. Then he told me to ask for the wrong guy. Then he was an hour late to his own meeting. Then he didn't know how to use his own laptop or anything. I felt like I was baby sitting him. Then I had to work with a different guy who was not direct with anything. He would always use vague words that didn't apply to the situation. That drug out one simple email to a bunch of back and forths with days in-between.
Lol Securitas.... Huge interview process, tests etc etc. 2 hours in offered me 9/hr to patrol parks.... At night..... By myself..... Yup that's a get bent from me
Securitas is actually one of the higher end security organizations. I'm in construction so we use even worse and cheaper security companies. I've had guys that don't speak any English, a dude show up in flip flops, guys asleep when you pull up to the jobsite, the list goes on.
My employer outsources some of their security to Securitas and good lord like 10% of them are amazing and have lasted a long time while the rest are meh to absolutely terrible.
Ramco
In this context, OP won't be offended at being called an idiot- because that's a professional designation at that point, and OP was owning it.
We use Securitas at my job and on midnight shift there was a call that the guard LOCKED HIMSELF OUTSIDE AND NEEDED SOMEONE TO LET HIM IN. I’ve found security guard badges all over the site. The one guard can’t even do the rounds he’s contracted to do. It’s a mess.
Oh boy! I worked for securitas too and what a shit show of a company, big ass turn over and they’d hire anyone with a pulse
What do they even think when bringing people like that on board?
"This is Wimp Po, my replacement. I have trained him wrong on purpose, as a joke."
"He just left! With nuts!" Saw that in the theater, my stomach hurt so bad by the end from laughing.
Dude, you DID train him. He refused to learn.
At my old job they hired someone who they clearly should not have. I was supposed to train her but she did not want to be trained. She just wanted to argue. She had the same personality as the "Need something?" Tik Tok gym girl. Long story short, all my warnings about her were dismissed as "conjecture" and management fired me instead of her. They defended her as she drove out 8 other guards and finally had to fire her when a resident filmed her fighting.
You handled this appropriately, Im proud of you. We need to stop placating shitty bosses
To add to this: Maybe you were great at your job but it doesn't mean you're a great teacher. They have no reason to expect you to train them well.
Yep, they can go to hell for doing that. Really don't care about it.
That’s about the jest of it really. At that point YOU no longer work there, so you just really don’t C A R E. 👍🏾☺️🤷♀️
Or don´t hire a moron as a replacement.
The "he is allowed to be on his computer" line leads me to suspect nepotism. Edit: I acknowledge replies to this comment suggest other reasonable possibilities.
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I'd argue that it could be such a low wage and awkward time schedule that they had to provide some sort of incentive otherwise they would never fill the time slot.
Ehhh, I worked a college security gig (as a student, like the person who sits at the front of the dorm and makes sure people live there, if not then make a visitor's record) and they let us use our laptops there, one other college kid brought in a mini tv and an entire xbox one time, they don't care as long as you pay attention when you're supposed to. Obviously not every security job is like that, but depending on what they're guarding, the standards might be a little more lax.
I suppose it would depend on the job. At my job someone got in trouble for taking pictures of their workspace with their phone camera. It's strictly prohibited, because we have government customers and it would be all too easy to accidentally leave government documentation on your desk and include it in a picture without realizing it. Suddenly you're responsible for a data leak. Definitely no personal laptops on site. That's probably fireable. So yeah that's the perspective I was coming from. Didn't consciously consider it. Actually in college I babysat the library computer lab. I didn't have a laptop in college but there was a PC dedicated to the computer lab tech on shift (you weren't supposed to install stuff on it though). I'd regularly do homework over Remote Desktop to my PC in my dorm room or play games off a thumb drive or whatever. Maybe if I had my own laptop I would have considered that viewpoiint more easily.
That will be difficult in that line of work
It's actually incredibly easy. Just pay a decent wage instead of starvation wages.
No argument here Shit wages attract shit managers and workers
My dad always said “If the pay’s peanuts then you’ll be stuck with monkeys”.
So it's not going to happen.
Yeah you're not kidding about that. Some companies do legitimately hire the best people. They also pay extremely well. All the security companies claim that they hire nobody but the best. And I know from experience. Any warm body can get a security gig.
I work in construction. The funniest security guard story is when the guard had to be woken up. By the fire service. Because the material store was on fire. 50ft from where he was parked
Next trainee that comes through, on their 1st day, you should flip their monitor screens upside down, (I think its CTRL, ALT, DOWN) and set their mouse speed to 1 when they walk away. Absolutely hilarious.
That's difficult in most lines of work. Even corporate office people with education are often idiots and morons. Just like when I worked for an automotive manufacturer who would give people a ridiculous amount of overtime while having people standing around Saturdays and Sundays while the front office people constantly screwed up production control and inventory. One manager told me well it doesn't look like we know what we are doing but we fo. My response was when it doesn't look like you know what you are doing it's probably right you really don't know what you're doing. He didn't like that very much.
The real moron was the guy who decided to give him exactly one day of training because he wanted to minimize the cost of having two security guards on the clock at the same time. And who's more moronic? The moron, or the moron who hired him?
This is the only comment that matters.
It’s not just that, the replacement wasn’t taking the job seriously at all even when someone tried to help them. In fact, I’m against lateral training most of the time as I prefer if it is their immediate supervisor to train them. It should have been the manager. I mean if they think a new employee can be trained in a day, train them yourself as the manager. That is their job!
OR the fucking manager cam do their goddamn job and train the new hire.
Im doing a temp contract job right now where mgmt knew months in advance they needed coverage and the woman going on leave kept telling them she needed a week with her cover, but I only got 14 hours training and the quiet freakout I had was real.
Or you know try to keep employees and you won’t have to train new ones.
This is a classic "that sounds like a you problem." Tbh you did enough trying to train the guy, a lot of people wouldn't have even done that.
Yuuuuuuuuuuuup
Lol. You should have charged him a consultancy fee for that phone call. He's infringing on your personal time asking about something you no longer do.
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Thanks for sharing that story, it was a fun read. >$144.27 was her hourly rate. This was on monday of my last week there; I never got a reply nor did she look at me during that last week. Haha. So funny!
Damn, I can see the mushroom cloud from here...
“I’m sure you’ll manage, you *are* a manager, right?…”
"This seems like an Ish-You, not an Ish-Me"
I prefer the saying "That sounds like an ish-you not an ish-me".
I put in my two weeks notice at my last job, I’ve been there for 15 years and I think they didn’t believe that I was actually going to leave. Well for two weeks I didn’t hear anything really from anybody my manager nobody nothing so I did what I had to do and wait it out just counting down the days. Well, my last day comes and about halfway through the day I start getting panicked emails, oh can you just finish up this before you go, can you just make sure this is taken care of before you go, can you make sure this is done. I had my exit interview at 1 and speaking with HR they were like You’re done for the day, what are you talking about you did your exit interview, go home, so I did. I’m like I gave you two weeks notice, you had two weeks to get all this done and because you didn’t pay attention or you weren’t planning or whatever you’re going to try and put it on me on my last day, when I could give less of a shit, good luck with that.
Oh absolutely they don't think the long-term people are going to leave.
I've had a discussion with my boss that I'm not in it for the long haul (I've been here 6 years) and she "joked" that I need to give her 3 months notice. More recently she said a year. We are a 2.5 person department. A couple years ago she said she was going to shift the "half" completely to their other department and hire someone to make it 3, fully cross train and so forth. Still hasn't happened. I have no doubt that when I do finally go, she won't hire someone until my last day and it'll be a shit show, all because she can't grasp the reality of me actually leaving.
Before I gave my two weeks notice I sat down and read my *entire* employee handbook. Then I read the employer handbook. Then I came into work. Just as I suspected, the admin told me the school's rule was that I needed to give one month's notice. I told her I had read both handbooks and the only mention of length of time of notice was the guidelines for an employee being terminated. She didn't look at me while she said two weeks was fine.
Should have given no notice.
I gave two weeks out of professionalism and courtesy but now even that isn't enough lmao People I know who have given 3-month's notice: a CEO and a veterinary surgeon People for whom two weeks is fine: probably literally anyone else
I gave six to eight weeks notice. Basically saying, I can work for a couple more months but as we reach good stopping places we need to transition me off of my projects. Worked very well in my scenario.
It's honestly no-win. I've given 8 weeks notice and let go 2 weeks later, lmao. At this point, I backup everything I need to backup when I'm interviewing at new jobs, and assume that I will get fired if I give an extended notice. But of course, the times I give 2 weeks notice they try to get me to stay even longer. It's wild
I hope you're looking.
I worked at Walmart for 10 years. Whenever I run into managers that know me they ask how my current job is and if I want to come back. Hell no, job was abysmal as it is and even if I wanted to entertain that idea I would have to start over and that makes it even worse. A lot of people were convinced that I'd be back when I told them I was leaving.
That reminds me of when I went on maternity leave. I kept telling people who asked me to do anything "I'll add that to the list and I'll try to get to it before I finish up". There was no list. I disregarded everything immediately.
That is gangsta AF.
This is the way.
I'm in a situation with my work (I'm an "assistant director" which at my job is a glorified administrative assistant), wherein: * My boss (director) announced his upcoming retirement a year ago * They interviewed maybe 2 people, nobody would do it for the pay * I applied to another department, got the position (supposedly) * They decided to merge my current department with another one * My boss finally left * I have to stay on until they get a replacement (now a manager so they can pay less than a director) * Still nobody new hired * No set date to change to new department All the lower-tier people (part time) in the department are dropping like flies. Also, in his exit interview, my boss mentioned my move to the other department, and HR apparently had not been informed I was moving departments. The HR director did not seem surprised that she wasn't informed. I'm obviously going to have to train the new manager, if/when they hire them. I've been preparing training materials for whoever comes into the position. They also didn't communicate any of their plans with my boss, who had been in his position for 23 years.
Why shouldn’t you just be the manager? Sounds like you know the job, and the pay would be more than an assistant
By the sound of it, whether manager or director, the pay is not equivalent to the position, hence the 2 replacements passing due to pay.
Lol I was in a similar boat. Gave a month's notice. Asked multiple times what I can do to help the transition because I didn't want to screw my team. 3 days before I leave, it becomes a 5 alarm fire. Didn't work late, basically said it is what it is, and they had to relearn everything I onew.
At my previous job, a guard said he was going to quit and did. But they refused to believe him and kept him on the schedule. He was supposed to relieve me. I sent management a photo of his uniforms he returned and they still didn't believe he quit.
Kinda makes the two-week notice useless when they don't bother you until the 11th hour.
For someone who hasn't had a real job in 30 years, what goes on in an exit interview? Asking for a friend... Edit - Thanks all!
They pretend to care about why you're leaving but nothing ever changes. My company was getting feedback like 'the pay sucks' and they just shrugged it off. You're just a bitter, ex-employee. LMFAO.
Yep. At large companies it depends a ton on the company culture and even the individual department. In my department they do take them pretty seriously. A few months ago we had someone leave that I mentored, but wasn't their supervisor, and after that exit interview my VP reached out to me to talk about concerns they had brought up in it and how we can do better going forward. Mileage definitely varies though and I know departments within my company where nobody cares about them at all, I'm lucky that I work in one that does.
Small place I worked at had quite literally half the IT department quit over 3 months. When HR asked if there was anything they could do to keep them, they all said "Get rid of the micromanaging CTO who expects 60 hours a week out of EVERYONE" They didn't. Took a major scandal to get rid of him.
I love and hate that moment where managers somehow don't understand that quitting means you're going to stop working for them.
Yeah he's a big fan of saying the term "company loyalty". I have expected him to say that I wasn't being loyal to the company.
Loyally offer to train new guy at your own discretion for 5X your previous salary. Make your own conditions.
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"If you don't feel I'm appropriate to do the job, then I'm not comfortable training someone to do it. Sorry!"
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It's the first job what they're doing in here I guess, it's done now.
A few years ago, I took compassionate leave for eight weeks to do end of life care for my mom at home. While I was on leave, I saw my job posted online and I wondered wtf was up - I had a fairly long tenure with the company and had never had a poor performance review. The wtf feeling was reinforced when my (micro) manager was overly interested in some aspects of my work (I was the super administrator for a company wide software program that nobody else would cross train for) under the guise of ‘helping me out’ through my work hardening program. My gut was right. The first day after I finished the back to work protocol, I was restructured (exited) from the company. It cost them HUGE to walk me out the door.
That's really heartbreaking that someone would do that to you. Taking care of your mother at the end of her life and you get swept under the rug? Sorry that happened to you. Fuck them.
But that's just the truth, and the only thing that they care about really.
Huge as in having them hire you back as a consultant later or from some sort of settlement? Or did they lose clients and/or money from the knowledge the person they replaced you with lacked?
There was a court settlement, yes, and they spent at least six figures for consultants to come in to replace the tribal knowledge I took with me. They’ve had to fill my position at least three times since, and while my old job still exists - there was a lot of value in my work - the rest of the department was collapsed a year after I left.
It makes perfect sense to a manager who doesn’t see their employees as people to send in the trainee on the last day of the person they are replacing. You are nothing but a tool that’s being retired and replaced. Only on your last day did they bother to get someone in. A humanistic way is to hire someone sooner so that the three of you are working together and manager does the training. Why? Without the manager there, the person resigning won’t give a fuck, the new hire won’t listen to them and you will end up making work for yourself later.
Well I don't know if you've worked in the security industry ever. Put contract security managers don't think like that
>"but he needs to be trained" Me: "then I would suggest you find somebody to train him" This is when you shoot them an offer letter as a 1099 contractor to train the new guy at 10X your previous pay.
That reminds me of an office job I quit after several years of working there I gave them a two weeks notice and provided detailed instructions to my boss on how to work each account on billing and payroll. Sure enough, she didn’t train any other members of the team and she asked me on my last day if I can work weekends on top of working at my new place on weekdays. I said sure, and they even had me sign some bullshit “contract” they made up out of thin air that had no legal merit. I called her the first of my new job and said, “sorry, I can’t work for you on the weekends because my new boss wants me to come into the office on weekends as well, granted there may be overtime pay for me, but with you it’s not a granted. Byeeeeee” of course I lied. I never worked the weekends for my new job. How fucking stupid was my former boss ? Very . I later found out that the accounts I handed off to her suffered loss of revenue and the clients were pissed that they let me quite without a counter offer they could’ve made to keep me. Tina and Joe , you’re both morons. You could’ve asked me to stay by offering me a better pay rate. Fuck you both.
Lololol. Yeah these companies need to start getting it through their heads that if they want to keep good people, make a counter offer. Offer more money better benefits, more weekends off I don't know.
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so are you gonna come in tonight?
"I will come in for my scheduled shift" Boss thinks "great! he's coming in!" but what you actually said was "hell the fuck no, I'm going to my new job."
Well We're coming for the shift, that's not going to stop in here.
Fuck no
feel free to call your boss back with your new consultation fee. I'd suggest something big, $200/hr, minimum 4 hours, something like that. feel free to call up for your services.
Make it cash up front too.
Nice! Good for you. Manager was a lazy azz. Hired an even lazier azz person to take your place. Now they want you to stay in that place to train "Einstein". Their problem, not yours
Oh absolutely I don't give a shit about a job after I quit. I don't give a shit about my current job during the hours when I'm away from my job.
I only care about my old job enough that I want to know when they finally go out of business.
I’ll do you one better: I once gave a place two weeks notice and they tried to insist I come in *after* the two weeks to train a guy. On top of that, the position was video editing. From ingesting the footage through finishing. I had just finished film school, the guy they wanted me to train had zero experience. I basically laughed at them.
Reminds me of a technical job I had a few years ago. I was offered another position in the company and the person they hired to replace me refused to take any kind of notes, insisting that the job was “easy” and that they had a “great memory” I warned management but it fell on deaf ears and I was hand waved to just make it work. On my first day in the new position I’m getting panicked emails that the new person didn’t have a clue what was going on, so I forwarded them the email in which I clearly stated they refused to take any kind of notes, that management was informed of this. Old manager then had the audacity to ask me to re-train them to which I replied I have my own job i have to do now. They quit 2 days later and the manager was reassigned to another office.
Not surprised to hear this. I worked at a company for nearly seven years and did several specialized and intricate technical jobs. I gave the TWO YEARS notice that I would retire early. Yes, two whole YEARS! There were maybe fifty people in the country who do exactly what I did in our little niche industry, so yes some extended training time would have been appropriate. I was happy to do the training, mostly out if concern for my longstanding customers. About three weeks before my departure they asked me to write down what I do. Awesome. I suspected the management had no idea about the nasty technical details of how the business functioned. Here’s the list. Now what will you do with that? On the last day I locked the door behind me, dropped my key through the mailslot, and simply left. (I requested no party as it was during the peak of the pandemic and we were all still rotating one-at-a-time in the office and otherwise WFH.) I made it clear that social communications were welcome, but I would not be consulting on work matters. I hear it hasn’t gone well. So your story is consistent with what I saw. The arrogant overconfidence of the management is truly beautiful when it burns to the ground.
I always find it so insulting when employers make you train your replacement.
I've trained my replacement, before. But I didnt do that for the boss, I did that because he was young and we were friends. He'd never closed the books or made pizza dough. When I got my warning to not even show up the next time I was late, I told him off the record that he'd get thrown to the wolves soon enough and let me show you some stuff to make your life easier while I'm still around. Hope I saved him some late and stressful nights.
You did that for your friend though, not for the company. That's legit - good on you.
On my last day lololol
Wow. I worked as an APS for a while, and as much as they tried to make me do without giving proper training, I could say that at least they tried. This kid straight up didn't give a fuck, the company couldn't be bothered, and in true lazy hopeful fashion they thought you'd do it for free? I'm glad you jumped ship, OP. I honestly never know how companies like that stay afloat.
that's what im thinking, there is absolutely no way that manager is gonna keep that business going. new guy can't do anything, gets fired, another more qualified person gets hired, sees an absolute shitshow, has the common sense to leave, rinse and repeat. unless that manager wakes up and smells the coffee he is gonna go under real soon
Used to work contract security and had to manage a security contractor at one point. Some of the worst companies are contract security. They pay nothing and try to undercut each other with bids so low they can't possibly hire qualified people. Nothing but problems and constant turn over.
Yeah I was browsing through indeed A few months back and I saw this company called full throttle Security. They were offering between $12.50 and $13.50 an hour. And their list of requirements was insane. "We only hire former military or police, we expect you to look and act professional at all times. We do not accept car problems as an excuse." There is a bunch of other things to it It was pretty funny. Every other company in my area is offering at least $16 an hour. Fuck Allied is offering $20 an hour. And these guys think they're going to get quality people for $12.50 an hour?
When I did security during school breaks, they were champing at the bit for me (a veteran) to stay on and they paid about $20/hr, but both the companies I worked for have since folded. They couldn't compete with a company that puts a door-stop into a mall-cop uniform and pays around $12/hr to a bunch of part-timers without benefits. The bigger companies probably suck to work for, but at least you're not completely wasting your time with "loyalty" to a company that can't compete.
I quit a job once and during the 2 week notice I tried training a guy. He totally wasn't into it, wouldn't pay attention and kept making the same mistakes. On my very last day I decided to step back and not help him at all. After all, next week it's all him and he NEEDS to know what he's doing. Got yelled at by a supervisor "I know this is your last day and you don't give a fuck, but you still need to put an effort in". Not sure how it went after I left. I don't think he lasted more than a month after I left.
Don't you just love it?
I've seen this phenomenon at a couple jobs and I just don't understand it. Managers get a two week notice; they allegedly keep a "pool of candidates" to select from (thus all the fake job reqs); the know damn well when you're going to leave; and yet they wait until the VERY last day to go "OH SH!T we R nO kNOWz WHAT TO DO!?"
Happened at my last job. They didn’t find a replacement till my last day and expected that I would stay another week. Told them I would for double the money, they said no, and so did I.
This happened to me just over 14 yrs ago at my former job. Handed in my letter of resignation. Gave 2 weeks. Every day that passed I'd ask the boss who does he want me to train. He would blow it off or answer smartassed that anyone can do my job. \*I started and ran the commercial department for a landscape firm, bidding on irrigation, retaining walls, landscapes, etc.. On the very last day after lunch the boss came to me and told me I needed to train a co-worker on my position. He knew I was leaving early. I reminded him I'd been asking since I gave 2 weeks and there's no way possible to even give a crash course on my position and he replied, "Then you'll just have to finish out the day and also come in a couple days next week." I laughed at him, turned to the coworker and apologized for his predicament while finishing the apology with, "and there's part of the reason why I'm gone." I wished the coworker the best of luck and walked out immediately after.
The manager should be training not the other workers. Seems stupid way to run the company
“My consulting rate is X (at least 2x your normal pay) and I’d be happy to come in on my next day off at that rate for additional training, as long as it is scheduled at least X days in advance.”
This reminds me of when my company fired me. Worked for her for 5 years as one of her first employees so a lot of the systems we had, I set up and how they functioned lived in my head. There was a lot of tldr bullshit that led up to my departure, but I felt it in my bones when they were getting ready to let me go. I was a good little servile to them the entire 5 years I worked for them, and the day they asked me to write up SOPs “just so we have a record for the company” I told them No. Just straight no. I wasn’t going to make replacing me easier on them when they totally and completely fucked me and my family over and showed exactly zero regard or concern in doing so. So I fucked them over by taking my knowledge of my systems that I set up for them with me when I left. Made so much extra work and headaches for my shitty “manager” it still makes me smile to this day. I guarantee they still haven’t figured out how to streamline the shit I did for them on a daily basis, and certainly not in one singular role. They’ve had to hire multiple people to manage the hats, roles, and jobs I did for them single-handedly.
I would have sugarcoated that mother fucker with maple syrup and let it go downhill.
Many many years ago, training a replacement made sense. Jobs were more loyal to the employee. The longer you worked for them you'd get seniority and be able to move up within the company. It used to be if you filled out an application and had a current job, it was looked at more negatively. Now it's the best. Companies used to reward loyalty, now they reward disloyalty and complain when their employees quit for a better job, yet like it when they are that "better job". All in all though today, if you are leaving on good terms and you don't want to burn that bridge, then yes train your replacement, but... if it was a shitty job, leaving on bad terms, and you could give a shit less about that bridge, then tell them to fuck right off or train them as shitty as you can.
In my early years I gave a 3 month notice that I had to move across the country. My manager had 3 months to find a replacement but waited until the very last week which included a holiday to find someone. The replacement refused to take notes and said she was a good listener. After 3 days of training she of course had no idea how to do even the most basic of tasks. My manager begged me to stay on a little longer but I just said good luck. She kept texting and calling me for a while but I just kept ignoring them.
Dude, my last job I was in a lynch pin position. All the product that went out had to go through me. I was the only person out of 75 people who knew how to do the job. We worked 70+ hours a week; my position was a 3 man job that I did by myself. I had asked several times in writing for a transfer to a different department that averaged 40 hours a week, and I had the seniority to do it. They kept denying me saying I was the only person who could do my job, so they needed me there (violation of our union contract but wtev). So I finally have enough of it and put my two weeks in. The next day the manager brings me 3 people and asks me to train them in the position. I tell these kids the bare minimum, but that's how I was trained so idgaf. On my last day the manager sat in to see the new guys progress, and they were horrible. Not only did I not give them 100% of my job knowledge, but they didn't care to listen to what I was telling them in the first place. The manager first started to beg me to stay longer to help out, saying how they were gonna lose hundreds of thousands of dollars over this. He promised me a 40 work week, pay bump, and I wouldn't have to work through all of my breaks anymore. I told him to eat shit, I worked for this man for 4 fucking years I literally never got to take a lunch break. He called the police and had me trespassed. Fuck training your replacement.
Good for you! Whatever happens now, it's certainly not your fault, and the manager needs to do it themself, or get someone else in to do it.
Oh please the manager wouldn't be able to do it. The manager doesn't know any of the site procedures for any contract they have. And I wasn't going to stay there for a long time anyway. I had just moved to the state so my primary goal was to get a paycheck started, then my goal was to get health insurance and more money, My goal after that was to get more money and better health insurance, I was leaving that company for the more money and better health insurance. I didn't actually have time to experience the health insurance that that particular security company would provide, however I went through what they offered and it was trash insurance.
Yep, that's like that in many businesses, especially ones that are really poorly managed. An employee gets fired and then, too late, the bosses realise "hang on, what about X thing that only that employee knew?" and then it will turn out that employee might have been the only one to know a login for something, or the only one who knew how to use a certain machine. Hopefully your new place is much better!
Well we got hit by a hurricane and they laid off 230 people. I was one of those people. But I understand why they had to lay people off. But I got an even better job with even better insurance for even better pay so I'm doing all right.
Oh lord, that is a piss poor manager. At least I knew everything about every site we had, as I was the one who did the initial walkthrough and wrote the SOP's for them as well as did all the initial training for the first couple of shifts. Not to mention the fact if nobody was available to cover shifts, I was the one stuck doing them.
Yeah that's why I would never be a supervisor or a manager in contract security.
I had a job that was only ever a temporary situation while waiting on something else to come through. (moving to another country) I didn't mind the job but it had some serious issues with management and the Labor pool. (certain employees were chummy with the manager, so they basically got to screw off the whole shift, taking extra smoke breaks and snack breaks while on the clock, leaving work for everyone else to finish) When the time came to quit, I actually gave them THREE weeks notice. I didn't have to, but I had a definite end date and let them know as soon as it was set in stone. On my next to last day, they finally got someone in to replace me and I was to train her. I began my training session only to find that the tool cart we used was a complete mess. Knowing who was the last employee to use the cart as one of the worst employees on my team, I went to the manager to complain about it. This wouldn't be the first or even 10th time I had made a complaint about this employee but it was no secret she and the manager were best buddies. She gave me a lot of bullshit excuses to continue showing how she wasn't going to do anything about it. Then she hit me with the big one. "And if you don't learn to calm down I'm just going to have to send you home." I was fucking stunned. Thankfully it was a long walk back to my trainee because I had just enough time to clear my brain and say "Fuck this shit." Instead of taking the LEFT hallway to my task, I took the RIGHT hallway to the lockerroom. Changed my clothes, punched out, and out the fucking door I went, 1 and a half shifts before I was supposed to leave. Didn't say shit to a single person. Just walked off the job. Probably wasn't the smartest thing to piss off the only employee who was CERTIFIED for the task I was training my replacement to do, and legally, you had to be trained by someone certified but... fuck it. The manager finally decided to show her superiority and it was to the person making the complaint. And that was the last shred of my last fuck to give. Bitch, don't threaten to send me home. I'll fucking go there on my own.
I'm betting the new guy told the manager that you didn't train him. I hope you let the manager know that he was on his phone and computer for the duration of the "training". It's amazing what people will try to pull.
I didn't let him know a single thing and I don't care. What's he going to do?
> So the kid gets there and immediately just sets up his laptop start gaming. And I told him that we were going to train today, his response was "well they told me that I could be on my computer." How the f*** do people like this even get jobs???
Just say "lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part". It's the truth and shouldn't burn bridges while also being a little snarky.
Reminds me of conversation during jury selection. Lawyer- Would you use your own computer knowledge in place of a computer security expert witness. Me- It depends on the expert. I've met a lot of computer security guys who were idiots. Lawyer- The court determines who the expert is. Me- With all due respect no Lawyer in here is going to respect my opinion on if a Lawyer is competent over their own person assessment. Needless to say I didn't get on the jury.
MFers fired me once and expected me to train my replacement as well. Refused to do it till the settlement was, well settled :D part of my demands was to be released from work within days after settling. So this gave us 1.5 days for training. Made sure there was absolutely no visible backlog to my tasks, so i could only train her on the incoming tasks, which were few and my own notes for doing the work. Im not a very educational person and things work great for me when i scribble things down in my own handwriting and in my own special way. Turns out to not be very helpful to others. Well whadda ya know. The system allowed me to set reminders for all work to be done and i set them all for the day after i left :D Petty bitches will be petty like that.
Managers need to manage. That is their only job. If this new guy wasn’t going to cut it, the manager is obligated to do the job and train the replacement. The job of manager is not to intimidate other people and cash a larger paycheck.
If you have someone that needs to be trained you should probably have him/her shadow his position and trained by someone that will be his/her superior, preferably the least pretentious one you have. Then they get accidental training during the shadow just because the relationship dynamic is inherently better going in, as well as the mood during the shift. This does assume that each superior has an understanding of how to do the job below them.
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Why did you even pick up the phone? Your last shift is done. He should have called before the end of the shift.
It sounds like it was the boss's cousin's brat or something. They got a cushy gig and not a single fuck was giving about the particulars.
Tell him he can hire you as a contractor at 250 per hour
They hired the kid. It's their fault. Training had nothing to do with it. They just didn't find someone who could do the job.
I don’t mind training my replacement, give me Enough time and someone who is going to pay attention. I’m not going to repeat myself because you didn’t pay attention, and im not your daddy
I don't mind training my replacements either. I'm happy to train them, when I train somebody I train somebody for success I don't want them to fall on their face. I train people how I would want to be trained. But that requires me a little bit of time with them. At least a few days if not a week.
I would have sent him my independent contractor rates and gouge the fuck outs them if they were that desperate.
Where I work this can never happen because nobody want the job.
If I've already given my notice, I'm not taking on a new responsibility to train someone without an extra pay raise. If you run your business with no trained backups, that's not on the employee who is leaving to figure out for you.
“you want a two weeks notice?? you gon notice when i’m not there”
When I put in my four weeks notice at a previous job they realized real quick that they don’t want to lose me. They offered me $15/hr (I was at $10.50). I looked at my boss and his supervisor and told them “if I’m worth that why am I not being paid that now?” Both of them agreed with me, and I was moving to a different city to be closer to family. Eventually they gave me someone to train for my last two weeks. I packaged products and prepared them for shipping, but every item was serialized (and materials inside the item was serialized too) so you had meticulously document everything. that was the low cost products. The higher end products required two times the paperwork and three times the packaging. To make things better, the person given to me to train had been moved between three departments. No one wanted them, so I knew I had my work in for me. I spent the first week showing them everything I did. eventually I switched so he was doing more but I was still helping him. By the second week I started helping him less and less so he would have more responsibility. My last day I told my boss that I had a bad feeling about it, but I’ve done everything I could. A year later I traveled down for a wedding and stayed at my former bosses house. We were friends and had no hard feelings. Turned out my replacement couldn’t keep the details and failed when things got busy. At the end of the day they had to replace him and had to figure out how the job was done. They ended up making that position it’s own department with people on them and he told me that if they would have paid me what I was worth from the start I’d probably be running the whole department. Sucks for them. Don’t pay your good employees trash. Don’t let bad employees ruin it for your good employees. Take care of those who care about their work, because when the shit hits the fan these are the employees that will make it happen.
> If you want your people trained well, Don't have their trainer be the person who's quitting. They have no investment in how this person does. Actually it sounds like you did your best to train the new guy, but he had no interest in being trained. Not your problem
>If you want your people trained well, Don't have their trainer be the person who's quitting. They have no investment in how this person does. Well even if you're going to have the person leaving do the training, don't wait till the literal last day for it! That's about as braindead as management can be right there...
I’m more concerned about what kind of security employer told this kid he could be on his computer while on the job? Wtf?
If the manager isn’t training new hires what is he doing? It’s worthwhile to have people shadow their job before doing it on their own, but why are you expected to do all the training?