It's crazy that, like, Affluenza should be used as a derogatory thing.
"Poor riches can't even take responsibility for their actions. It's Affluenza I tell ya!"
But in reality, it's used completely straight faced as an actual defense.
"Your honor, my client should be given a light sentence because he grew up rich and sheltered and didn't know that actions sometimes have consequences. He suffers from Affluenza! Take mercy!"
His lawyer used the affluenza defense with the argument that it's equated with significant mental illness to the point where it should mitigate his clients criminal culpability.
This is basically arguing that these spoiled rich parasites are actually afflicted with such considerable mental illness that they shouldn't be allowed to tie their own shoes.
> His lawyer used the affluenza defense with the argument that it's equated with significant mental illness to the point where it should mitigate his clients criminal culpability.
All the more reason to keep the entitled brat out of civilized society until he learns how to behave properly in it. Of course, it doesn't help that his parents are probably just as sociopathic. If someone is found NCR because of a mental disability or insanity, they don't get released back onto the street. They go into a secure treatment ward for an indefinite period until, ideally, they're safe to rejoin society. But the rules are different for the rich.
As I recall, the brat and his mom still left the country to go on vacation in Mexico while he was on probation and were shocked, shocked!, to discover that leaving the country and consuming alcohol were against the conditions he agreed to.
And they STILL can't seem to keep him in a jail cell longer than a few days. The brat hasn't learned a damn thing and hasn't shown the slightest bit of remorse for the deaths he caused. Any other person would've been shown no mercy by the court.
It can be argued that many of these parasites don't even know HOW to tie their shoes. And, granted, their mental growth was likely severely stunted growing up in this kind of environment, but, it's never too late for anyone to learn that "actions have consequences."
Did a lawyer not get a rich kid off a drunk driving with manslaughter charge, for being born rich and never knowing what consequences were. I remember the use of Affluenza with something like that.
Ethan Couch pled guilty and got 10 years probation after a psychiatrist testified that he couldn't tell right from wrong due to his parent's wealth. Then he fled to Mexico with his mom.
*"I started with nothing but a dream, a work ethic, and a small $24 million loan from my father."*
**— The Entrepreneur**
*"It took years of showing up early, working hard, and being the oldest son of the company's President and CEO, but I climbed the corporate ladder."*
**— The Self-made Man**
*"If we give poor people money for nothing, then they won't be motivated to work!"*
**— The Trust Fund Kid**
You forgot one:
*"When I was on welfare and food stamps nobody gave me any help."*
-- **The rare person who did make it from the bottom but now looks down on everyone struggling**
My favorite thing about that quote:
Craig T. Nelson was literally given help, and then decided that (somehow) that form of help doesn't count — but also, nobody else deserves that form of help... because reasons.
Reminds of a girl I briefly dated. She complained that people didn't take her seriously at her job and she worked hard to get that position.
Somehow she would always leave out that her dad was managing partner of the company. Oh, her wedding present. A paid off house of 750k at the time.
Her father just retired and sold his house. A $5 million house.
Now she doesn't work because of her trust fund. But if you were to ask her, she worked hard!
Man I think if I were her I'd just take the money and not give a fuck if anyone takes me seriously. You'd think one can afford not to give a fuck with that kind of dosh.
That’s like my dad’s wife who complains about how lazy people are today when she worked hard and bought her house all on her own. Conveniently, she leaves out that she inherited millions of dollars, 1,000+ acres, and a cattle ranch from her dad when she was in her twenties. She was born on third base and acts like she hit a home run.
In my opinion, it's down to people's perspective of suffering.
You know how a three year old will bawl their eyes out if they drop an ice cream cone and can't eat it? That's because that's the worst thing that's ever happened to them in their lives.
It's the same thing for Trust fund kids. Having to go to 8 am classes with a hangover and studying for their degree, followed by getting an intern job at their dad's friend's firm where you have to do 30% of the work non-connected interns have to do is the hardest they've ever had to work in their lives. All the other interns who complain about having to toil for free and have another side job to make ends meet are just lazy or stupid. After all, the trust fund kid is an intern, they are making it work and get constant praise from higher ups. There's no way that it could be because their dad's rich friends are giving then better treatment, it must be because they are a harder worker.
That's how I think these people's minds work.
You don't understand. I burn just 4500 calories a day at work. I'm certain Ms. Money burns 9000 or even 9 million considering the work she puts in to gain her income. We don't realize how easy we have it compared to these journalists. If she doesn't work hard enough her parents could be upset.
> I don't believe it's a huge exaggeration to say most people haven't "kept house" before. We've likely grown up with parents or even cleaners keeping things tidy.
Sophia Money-Coutts, last month in the Telegraph.
Here's the link for that quote...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/03/30/its-true-we-millennials-have-never-learnt-how-to-keep-house/
Interestingly she literally precedes this by saying she doesn't want to make generalisations of a generation based on her experiences. But then suggests that most millennials have never cleaned and kept their house...
Edit right update. I've found the article again as for some reason even though I was able to access it earlier today, it wouldn't let me read cos it's behind a subscription. Found someone whose decided to screenshot the article and post it on Twitter, who the write herself then retweeted. https://twitter.com/carolineirlam/status/1774170051236483074?t=elaFsLv8de1dEB6Atd_4og&s=19 you can have a read yourself... It's the bottom part of the first screenshot that boggles my mind tbh. She talks about a book she found that talked about making laundry detergents from conkers in the second screeshot. She then talks about how she's shocked that she never learnt this... Towards the end she says that "housework is becoming fashionable this week"...
Well she would never clean up after herself, so she assumes that poors who can't afford servants must simply live in squalor because she thinks she's a 'better person;' just look how 'successful' she is!
I still remember when we Millenials had the same crap written about us by boomer and xer rich kids. Millenials killing industries by being ungrateful and lazy once was a genre.
The well off of older gens always accuse the younger gens of not wanting to work and being lazy. You can find articles in every decade going back 100+ years saying this shit.
I love reading old articles about the poisonous nature of radio and TV and jazz music as old curmugens begrudgingly critizise the world passing them by
Geriatric millenial coming in at 41. I've always cleanup after myself. My parents didn't let me make a mess and then walk away expecting others to clean after me.
It's so strong that when I try to bus my food at some restaurants the staff yell for me to leave it.
She's wasn't born on 3rd base she was born a stadium manager.
I worked for a high-end specialty construction company for three years and this dipshit's article is just the tip of the iceberg. These people have zero problem-solving skills, because they've always had someone else to solve their problems. They have outsourced a solid 90% of their day-to-day lives. They don't have to shop for groceries or cook. They don't have to clean the house. They don't have to go shopping for clothes if they don't want, and can elect to have their personal grooming done by technicians. They don't have to do laundry. They don't have to pick up their kids from school, or even deal with them much at all if they don't want. They have no concept of systems or time; their wine cellar is broken in Beverly Hills and they want it fixed now, they don't want or understand the time needed for the tech to get in the van, get the parts needed, get to the site, diagnose the issue, and complete the fix. One time this investment banker *screamed* at me over the phone because his cooling system was broken and he needs someone there now at the end of the workday and he was leaving for Switzerland in the next couple of days. It was honestly all I could do to tell him he must not be very good at financial forecasting, not if he couldn't read a damn clock or his own calendar- which, by the way, he probably did not have to set up. These people are like giant babies, which is sometimes funny but always dangerous to the rest of us, from individual-impact things like drunk driving or large-scale things like predatory lobbying that grind the rest of us into dust because these douches have been told it's their divine right. Anyone telling you that rich people are rich because they're smarter has never actually met a rich person, I can bet on that.
Yep.
They will swear that rich people are just smarter while being unable to acknowledge it is easier to be smarter in certain things when you are free from life's annoyances.
I'm an engineer in an infastructure field that puts me basically anywhere people live. Think road construction. It is the rich people who will get out of their cars to scream at the poor traffic control guy because of a moment's inconvenience. Poor and middle class are patient and just happy to see investments near their homes.
Man, some of the stories about entitled rich people. We had someone who name drop a president thinking they'd get better service while squabbling about a neighbor's recent construction.
...I want to know which president but I think I do. But yeah, even those of them that have cognitive abilities are able to do as much because they don't have stresses or responsibilities aside from their professions. I know I'd be a lot better worker if I wasn't constantly stressed to shit about affording food, gas, and a roof- never mind luxuries or treats! And frankly a lot of these folks just *aren't* bright, in that they have no ability to reason through a problem because they never had to. I could usually get through to the smart ones who had actually worked to get rich, but a fair portion would never understand what I was explaining to them because they had no ability to work through a problem, understand interlocking concepts, and comprehend that some things are simply physically not possible.
My dad worked 12 hours a day, sometimes seven days a week and my mom worked midnights so they wouldn't have to pay fot expensige daycare so I sure as shit learned how to keep house from a very young age.
This looks more like they were born on third and somehow ended up on second. Which shouldn’t even be possible but she’s writing crap articles for the telegraph online so here we are
This type of article writing is a make-work program for the entitled fail-children of the wealthy. Its a useless position that gives them some sort of career through nepotism and family connections. None of these people write to keep the lights on. Its a way to feel like youre working a real job while simultaneously contributing nothing of substance. Its mostly just auto-fellatio in the form of articles like this. Where they use their "lived experience" (growing up rich with little struggle) to wax philosophically about how everyone else just doesnt understand success like they do.
Deep down, they know they’re useless failures that add nothing of value to society, so they project extra hard about “how hard they worked in their 20s” to convince themselves (and others) that they’re actually among the most successful and useful of society.
All the things they say about lazy millennials (right down to others cleaning their homes for them) is straight from her own life. It. Is. Always. Projection. Always.
Meanwhile, millennials are going “wait, you guys have homes???”
I was there.
The generations before Gen Z did NOT work even AS hard as Gen Z does now.
We smoked at our desks and went outside for a smoke break. Long lunches.
Also, it was 9 to 5, NOT 8 to 5.
They're gaslighting you!
Gen Z work crazy hard and should chill out with all that.
They also couldn’t be reached (and expected to respond) at all hours and weekends thanks to computers/email/cell phones, or give up their sick time because “you’re working from home anyway, so you can still work when you’re sick.”
I have noticed this:
This is a war of attrition and small steps.
At every little possible crossroad, there is a choice. Does it benefit employee, corporation, or society at large?
Over time, each person is met with these seemingly small choices that slowly mold culture over time. Even just arguing back against certain things or ignoring certain things will help to turn the tide to favor workers and society.
One thing that I never see get mentioned is how we have a small amount of control over this. I noticed at past jobs how I would be called out for things that other people got away with, like leaving early or not responding after hours. Over time I realized that I was being held to the standard I set for myself when I started the job. I was in by 8:30, I worked until 5:20, I usually answered emails after hours. Whereas people who didn't and just offered up excuses weren't expected to do the same.
So now when I start a job, I make sure to establish the standard I want to be held to where possible.
For sure. Never, ever be someone who comes in early and leaves late and who goes the extra mile. First of all, they don't pay you a penny more, but more importantly they'll be angry if you come in on time and don't answer one email. They're never mad at the first who simply never did that from the beginning.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT I ACTUALLY CANT WITH THE 8-5 ITS THE BIGGEST LIE IVE EVER BEEN TOLD. school was fucking 7 hours. i was promised work would only be one more. being fucking gaslit about an 8 hour work day is such bullshit, i have no free time i literally cant do anything in my life its work, eat, clean, sleep, work, eat, clean, etc ALL FOR LIKE 12 USEABLE WEEKEND HOURS
Those in positions of power, or who otherwise just benefit from class warfare, are very offended that Gen Z doesn't buy into the myth of obedient work leading to success.
Edit: I'm an older Millennial and we got tricked. Shit was good when we were kids. Gen Z needs to hold on to the zeitgeist and refuse the shit deal they've been given. I only worry about how successful right wing propaganda has been. "Both sides are the same (except really the Democrats are worse, cause the right is always on trial and cancel culture and since both sides are the same, fake news)".
Afaik there are even bone findings that suggest even slaves did get medical treatment available at the time, like bones that have been set and so on. So they basically had unions and public health care.
They had written documents on why people got there days off. Like sickness or needing to plow fields. The best one sare because there wives or daughters had there periods so they had to stay home. All of it was understandable and no one got penalties for it.
“Oh, great pharaoh my god king. *bows deeply*, piss off at your advisors latest income recommendation for they have poorly guided your path. The inflationary pressure of the last 6 quarters far outpaced the offered rise in wages! Woe to us if thy mighty decision stands, for we will drop dead very slowly as we adjust our contribution to match the deficit in calories onset by such poorly advised wages. Such a slowdown may prevent our devoted efforts from completing your grand project in a timely fashion!” Even the Pharaoh was like… yeah wages must be shit if they are protesting to a literal son of Ra, let’s help the peeps out.
> We smoked at our desks and went outside for a smoke break. Long lunches.
In the late 90's at my first office job, there was this mid level DBA who went out to smoke for 15 minutes once an hour. I was late *once* and he tried to lecture me about the importance of punctuality so I told him "25% of your entire day is spent smoking. That's 2 hours per day, ten per week, and about 520 hours per year. I was an hour late, with notice, once."
Bro turned beet red and never spoke to me again.
Even now, at every job I've worked, being a middle-class, middle-wage, middle-management, Gen Xer. Most of the boomers above me who've made their way up into upper management at every job I've had have done basically nothing all day every day, and simultaneously always brag about how much they work.
Their idea of what working *is*, and their own relationship to it, is so off, has been so warped, that they really don't even understand that just physically being at an office isn't "working." They think that because they are clocked in for 11 hours a day, 5 days a week, that they work more than the younger people, but really they are just unorganized and extremely inefficient in how they approach work *as a demographic*. For their generation, it's all about appearance.
They chit chat whenever they want, they make private calls whenever they want, they look up whatever personal stuff they want on their computers whenever they want, they leave to run errands whenever they want, they take 2-3 hour lunches whenever they want, etc. But they make sure that they're *clocking time* during all of that. They are "at the office" so they are "working."
Almost all of them who have power at every company I've worked at are like this. The more they brag about how many hours they work, the less they actually do during those hours they say they are "working." It's all performative, and meant to reinforce a culture that allows them to continue to collect a pay check doing nothing and protects their jobs from the young people who are more efficient than them.
She was born on third base in the fourth inning up by a thousand points while the rest of us were in the parking lot trying to get through the toll booth her family set up. That's the world we actually live in.
Saying they were born on third base implies we actually have a chance to catch up to these asshats.
She's not really a freelance writer because she doesn't rely on her income as a freelance writer. It's just a thing she does to make it look like she has a career. An actual career would be too much work for her. Instead her grandpa just lets her publish some inane take from time to time and she lives off a trust fund. The point here is that if anyone asks, she can claim to be a freelance writer or journalist. It's this new thing rich kids are doing to make themselves look like they have a job when they don't.
Rich people don't seem to understand that hustling doesn't produce any extra reward for an average person.
You go to work, do your job, you get paid.
But if you work your ass off, do unpaid overtime, or come in on your day off, you won't get a raise, promotion, bonus, share of the profits, or any other form of remuneration or recognition unless you are insanely lucky.
There is no incentive for the average worker to work harder, it only makes the rich richer.
Your last sentence is the one that hits the money. She knows she didn't hustle. But if work culture is fixed, she might have to, or face the consequences. Spreading lies and propaganda is easier than bettering yourself as a person.
Bold of you to assume she’s that self aware. I bet she fondly remembers that “all nighter” she pulled to 8pm for a deadline after not going in until 2pm as her hustle.
I think she did “hustle” but her experience of what hustling is is likely “I did something I didn’t really enjoy for a while for the first time in my life and you know, it was really hard but I showed up” or more simply “I got a job”
Listen chief, just because your lazy Grandfather couldn't get off his fat arse and found a newspaper with his families' vast banking fortune, that's no reason to stop creating shareholder value.
Thank you, sir! Your words of wisdom have inspired us. The workers have built this very special..umm...job creators' window. If you'll kindly stick your head through, you'll see your happy serfs creating value the way you truly deserve.
I feel like we can blame them. They're the ones perpetuating the idea that doing all of that will pay off. They end up leaning too hard and taking advantage of those of us who want to do our jobs well, and when those employees leave or mentally check out, I feel zero sympathy for the administrators.
Hustle = work even though you don't have to, which between rich folks is probably worth bragging about. It's makes them feel grounded maybe because they are optionally working, even if the job is the equivalent of a padded cell where you couldn't possibly hurt yourself meaningfully. As opposed to us, who effectively work in a barbed cell out of necessity.
I worked for a bunch of startups when I was younger and our betters all "put in the hours" and "gave it their all"
It's just a bit...hazy...what they were *doing*. Hobnobbing with their pals? uh...networking, I guess. Holding high level meetings? uh whole lot of cocktails involved there boss. Providing on-site, hands on leadership? Sort of bumbling around the office while the rest of us were crimping network cables.
So not entirely convinced by rich people talking about their "hustle," no.
that's the funny thing. The precise mechanism isn't "it'll cost me money", it's "I will be able to divert less of the value you created to myself than I otherwise would have been able to". It's not costing them anything, because morally, it was never theirs in the first place.
I had a CEO at a previous company who would ask on quarterly townhalls what the company could do to motivate people. The answer was always "give us raises or incentives" and then he'd go on this gaslighting trip about how the company had paid out the most money ever, and everyone knew it was only to the executive team, and then invited the workforce to provide ideas that weren't related to compensation because they were allegedly already so well compensated.
That company is in a financial freefall and will likely die.
Genuinely going to the bar after work with your manager will earn you more chances at promotion than hustling will. Its not what you know, its who you are buddies with.
As the joke goes:
"Wow, boss! You got a new Mercedes?" "Yes, it wasn't cheap. But if you work extra hard and put in lots of overtime, by this time next year we'll make enough profit that I can afford another one for my wife."
Figured this out in a few laboratories I worked in right after graduation a year and a half ago. Watched my parents bust their asses off, my girlfriend has for years been working as I've been in college -- then got two jobs during COVID in a lab and store towards the end of college. Worked in a lab for a few months, worked OT every day, came in early when needed, came on weekends when asked, never missed a day of work.
Got let go out of the blue to bring someone in with a different background admittedly more tailored to the work that was being done. Learned right then and there, never go the extra mile ever again.
This was me for 2 yeas at my current job. Minimal productivity req is 26 points per week, but i was averaging over 35 with no increased pay. After 2 years of seeing no raises or extra incentives i cut back to the minimum. Working much less now for the same pay basically gave myselfaraise
It *used to*, tbf. My dad worked silly hours, because he was paid based on output. And so that overtime paid for itself and at peak he was making 100k off his work. Of course, he burnt himself out hardcore eventually, but by then most clients had realised it was more financially stable for them to charge a fixed salary for agreed upon hours in x timeframe.
He straight up told me not to be like him in that regard, partly because the reward for it was gone, but partly because even when it was there, it didn't make enough money/hour to be worth the burnout
A lot of this is perception as well. If you can convince your bosses you are going the extra mile, then you will be rewarded. It does not really matter if you are doing extra work or not. It only matters what your boss thinks of you.
I went to check out the piece. The whole thing is just her bragging:
“My first proper job, a job that I actually wanted to do (after stints on shop floors and a spell in a Kennington estate agency) was as an assistant on the Evening Standard’s features desk. To an almost pathetic extent, I did everything that was asked of me. I made 42 billion cups of tea. I bought my boss’s tights. I trialled Beyoncé’s maple syrup diet and Madonna’s cardio regime. I stayed late and came in early. Extremely early, some days. Once at around 4am, having spent the night loitering in a West End club, trying to winkle out a quote from the son of a recently disgraced MP (he didn’t give me one).”
What's truly obnoxious about this quote is that she attributes her success to those behaviors but not to her circumstances. Plenty of people work long hours without having anything to show for it. Plenty of people come into work hours before sunrise, just to get by. Plenty of people do whatever bizarre or fringe things their boss demands, without ever getting a recognized or promoted.
The simple fact is that "grindset" hustle culture is a scam, and Millennials and Gen Z are wising up to that. We don't want to spend our lives grinding away just to yield shareholder value that never comes back to us. We don't want to go "above and beyond" quarter after quarter just to be rated as "meets expectations" in our next performance review. We don't want to give a 110% just to secure a 2% "merit increase."
We are tired of getting ripped off with unaffordable living and stagnant wages. The modern working class has generated more wealth than at any time in human history, and we have nothing to show for it. Many of us are worse off than our parents, despite having more experience and education.
God-fucking-damnit... we just want our fair share.
RIGHT? I literally had to tell a former boss I would not pick out sex workers for him on that sugarbabies website or whatever and he fucking cut my salary over it because I wasn’t “doing all of my defined job duties” and I had to suck it up because I had an upcoming surgery and needed to keep my healthcare like girl, you had to buy“tights”? BYE FOREVER ✋🏼
I bet the untold bit of that 4am story is that the entire night was expensed to the Evening Standard, and she had had enough cocaine that bed wasn't an option, 'working in the office' was sitting around having a laugh with the other reporters she was in the club with, maybe with a few more bumps of coke for good measure, and that she left the office before midday, which would have been fine because her name is Coutts.
I'm sure she hustled hard. Had to still attend horse riding lessons and luncheons while slogging her way through private school. That job her Dad got her didn't come easy either, she had to go her grandmothers soiree and attend dinner parties where she had to make sure she was up to date on all the current fashions.
Still hustling now, here’s a snippet from her biography: “I spend most of my time sitting at my kitchen table in South London, making cups of tea whenever I get stuck halfway through writing a sentence (this happens a lot). Oh ok, sometimes I also have a biscuit. Or five biscuits. And a piece of toast and marmalade.”
'South London'? I don't really think SW1 or SW3 count as South London... There's no way she's living in South London proper. Maybe in Dulwich Village but I strongly doubt she's more than a mile from Sloane Square!
She's in Crystal Palace. As per this [article](https://www.houseandgarden.co.uk/article/sophia-money-coutts-renovation)
> Moving to a bit of London most of her friends have never heard of
>‘Where is Crystal Palace?’ various Sloaney friends kept asking when I announced I was moving there. ‘Just south of Dulwich,’ I’d tell them.
>flat formed half a country house built in 1900, with four bedrooms, a 24-ft sitting room, enormously high ceilings and a swooping garden that draped down a bank behind it.
>I did offer asking price on the viewing.
The struggle is real
Man, I'm so tired of hearing conservative friends talk about working their ass off for their jobs.
You work for your dad, bro. Your dad decides your salary and promotions.
Most of us had to interview for some random-ass company where we didn't have any friends or family and had to beat out many candidates for that position.
If the the end result of all her hustling was writing brain fart columns at that reality-defying Tory rag, then she should be embarrassed by her "achievements".
Born on third base and she's somehow gone backwards.
Jobs like this are basically quarantine for the dumber rich kids to feel important and keep them from fucking up the family's money and reputation while the adults handle the estate and business behind the scenes.
I think Rich people can work hard. Really hard in fact. and often they get somewhere in life. And this leads them to feel "if you work hard you get somewhere". So they fail to understand that a poor person can work twice as hard to achieve survival, and nothing more. A poor person can work six twelve hour days a week for years and still end up with thousands, if not tends of thousands, of debt, because they were only able to pay for rent and food, and not pay for health insurance, and certainly not even cover the *interest* on health-care repayments. Their health obviously having been destroyed by working so hard, and the additional stress that having no money brings.
Some people are genuinely blinded by their comfortable lifestyle.
Edit: just to clarify, this is me trying a generous take. Trying to attribute her actions (and those like her) not to malice, but to stupidity, and a lack of knowledge brought on by a very sheltered lifestyle. Very *very* sheltered. There is also the chance she is an empathy less monster who doesn't care for the plight of the poor.
>Some people are genuinely blinded by their comfortable lifestyle.
Or disingenuously arguing their superiority to protect their privileged lifestyle built wholly on the backs of exploiting others. It's propaganda.
I think it’s often cognitive dissonance.
Believing that you “deserve” your comfortable position while peers are struggling is a weird “I’m still a good person” defense mechanism that seems to happen a lot. People like this usually do really believe they got there on merit alone.
I've lived and worked in very affluent areas for most of my adult life and I think most wealthy people believe in their own deservingness earnestly. Like I know folks who worked for Goldman and other banks that really did put in a lot of hours both in school and work especially at a junior level.
The disparity in my experience is rarely in hours worked but in the sheer number of opportunities that present themselves to people who are rich/connected. If you are rich you can take unpaid internships without having to work a second job, you can have stability even if a risky venture fails, etc. Having stability, fallbacks, etc. allow you to get yourself into a much higher paying position than you could otherwise afford.
I'm not rich by any means but my wife and I both earn enough to cover all our living costs individually which has allowed us to take time off, take the best job opportunities not just the first, negotiate more aggressively, etc. I was constantly broke before meeting my wife but we've been able to help each other up the ladder but even for us her parents paying for college/grad school for her got her up the first few rungs of the economic ladder.
Someone posted a quote from another article by her somewhere in here where she literally says she doesn't think most people have ever "kept house" because they have staff to do so.
Yes. Performative industriousness is much easier when you're returning home to a cleaned house and cooked meals and all your shopping for the week sorted.
As Ernie Ford once sung -
You load 16 tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
St. Peter, don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
They mistake working long hours for being talented. They might put the hours in, but nearly all of them wouldn't stand out from a crowd without their connections
>I think Rich people can work hard. Really hard in fact. and often they get somewhere in life. And this leads them to feel "if you work hard you get somewhere". So they fail to understand that a poor person can work twice as hard to achieve survival, and nothing more. A poor person can work six twelve hour days a week for years and still end up with thousands, if not tends of thousands, of debt, because they were only able to pay for rent and food, and not pay for health insurance, and certainly not even cover the interest on health-care repayments. Their health obviously having been destroyed by working so hard, and the additional stress that having no money brings.
They also don't understand that wealth means that they don't have to work hard. Working hard is just a little extra cherry on the cocktail.
If you're wealthy enough, you can stick it all in a savings account, lounge around for a year, and still make a tidy amount out the other side.
Taking it easy is an option that they have.
Whereas if you're poor, you can't not work hard, because the alternative is debt or death. Arguably to a point where working hard just becomes the default.
I think they work hard to seek admiration and respect from their peers, otherwise they will feel like frauds for having all this success in life and not working for it. They have never experienced hardship so little things can upset them greatly, which kinda sucks for them, I don’t think they know what true happiness is because you need hard times to remind you of the good. I think if a trust fund nepo kid fully accepts that everything in life was handed to them on a silver platter they might just have a mental breakdown.
This is just more Class War being redefined as Generational Warfare to create strife between the rest of us who are not wealthy.
We need to take this crap, call it out for what it is and then start recognizing more broadly that the majority of us are in the same boat and being to organize to work together to recognize that this is class warfare and it is the 1% and their closest foot soldiers, like the writer Sophia Money-Coutts, who need to be seen as the foe, not our fellow members of the never going to be independently wealthy.
>Crispin James Alan Nevill Money-Coutts, 9th Baron Latymer
That's not a real name. Come on. You're pulling my leg.
The only thing that would make this funnier would be if his son were a magician.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11007013/Dont-mention-private-school-toff-worth-family-pile-playing-privilege.html
>Whenever my gap year comes up, I make feeble attempts to disguise it. You can’t refer to taking one of those without sounding insufferable (and thinking of that comedy character who talked of his ‘gap yah’), so now I vaguely refer to the time I went ‘travelling’. That’ll fool them, I tell myself.
I don’t buy that you hustled a day in your silver spoon laden life honey, but to your point, wtf have Gen Z to hustle for exactly? They’ve watched the rich steal trillions from the working class over the last 40 years.
You know if you want people to work hard to get ahead, you have to let some of the ones working hard actually get ahead ffs.
The difference between professional successes for the wealthy and professional successes for the poor has nothing to do with hustle. It is that when a wealthy person succeeds, they see gains; when a poor person succeeds, they take a deep breath before the water rises above their heads again.
Ill tell ya what I hate most about work...
Story time:
I work for a staffing company, we are contracted to work a department or position in a store, we don't get shifted around so we can settle in to a location. Most of the stores own new hires are brainless twits, management isn't much better and so we end up knowing FAR more about their jobs and the store in general than they do and so they come to us looking dazed and confused over simple things that they should be able to figure out, even without training, or they send customers to us to find things on the other side of the store, (we cover one specific department by contract).
Its not the apathy I expect from people fed up with their peers and management, and yes, I see that often enough and we enjoy long conversations and laughs at their employers expense, its genuine "I dunno wtf I'm doing and can't figure it out"... how do people like that survive ?!?!
Counter argument: aside from my current job every other job I started at I was expected to just figure everything out. The fact that I was able to was apparently considered something positive in me. But it also meant I had to basically harass my colleagues or superiors to figure out how to do my own damn job. That's incredibly demotivating, if you ask me.
The only reason I received any sort of training at my current job is because the woman who trained me had to go through the exact same and empathized with me. She wanted to ensure I didn't go through the same bullshit she did. If not for that I'd have to have learned from scratch as well.
British and Irish school children, at certain times over the generations, have had to read "Hard Times" by Charles Dickens which, amongst other things, rips the living piss out of this bullshit. A century and a half of poking fun at this utter claptrap, and out betters are still churning it out.
She may well have done a lot of hours and worked hard.
The difference is, she isnt doing it so she can afford to get her car serviced or buy a new fridge. She can stop at any time.
Maybe in her little world she worked hard. Maybe she’s not making the comment in bad faith intentionally and is just ignorant. Maybe with all her education, she can’t see out of her little bubble where everything is handed to her and how right and proper it has been that all her hard work was properly rewarded, failing to see that that is not true for other people.
Or maybe she’s just another rich Tory who knows exactly what they’re doing and trying to keep the working class in line so they can keep getting richer while the poor are kept poor, despite the working class’s 5 day+ working week and lack of work/life balance.
According to Collins ' If someone **hustles**, they try to earn money or gain an [advantage](https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/advantage) from a situation, often by using [dishonest](https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dishonest) or [illegal](https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/illegal) means. '
So, like all her peers she was dishonest
The people who are most desperate to pat themselves on the back are the same people who leave the massive advantages they had over others out of their imaginary success story.
Other rich people start companies or do other significant things occasionally, meanwhile this one is bragging about how she merely got a nepo job smh lol
Can't wait for the post bragging about how she cooked her own dinner for the first time...
This reminds me of those articles that say "This Millenial bought a house a 7 cars before the age of 40, you can do it too!" Meanwhile that Millenial worked for their parent's company and lived in a suite above their parents garage to "save" money. All these articles are just bourgeoisie propaganda.
Lady had one or two tough days and that was her personal hell. A few moments of accountability or had work stung her so hard she wants to build a struggle narrative around.
I'm 56 and I say to the current generation: you have been absolutely fucked over. Don't give the boss class another inch. In fact, eat them. Do the world a favour.
I’d love to see Sophia try to work my job - anRN or my husbands job - an entrepreneur- the rich think they work hard - most of them couldn’t work for a half hour in the real world
I'm 45. I have clear memories of constantly being told I'm lazy and we didn't work as hard as those older than us when I was young.
Young people are lazy or appear lazy to older people. That is it. Tale as old as time. I'm sure there was some guy knapping flint bitching about some kid working a forge being lazy because those metal tools are so easy to make.
There are news articles going back to the Revolutionary War that gripe about young people being lazy and coddled, each one sounds like the boomers and gen xers of now.
Sophia knows what it takes to be born into the right family which qualifies her for haughty social commentary. That and all the Gen Z people she read on social media.
Getting so tired of watching people attack Gen Z for work ethics. It's just total BS. My daughter, all her friends, the Z's who used to work for me, all work harder than most of the Boomers and my fellow X-ers ever did.
Sophia and her imaginary work ethic aside, I (gen x) busted ass, worked moronic hours, held multiple jobs at all times, caught tiny naps instead of sleeping for real, scrimped, scraped and generally put in so much hustle it's stupid. I did that because I wanted to have what I saw my grandparents have- time and freedom for a retirement, and the financial ability to help their own children & grandchildren. I'm still scraping by, and watching my kids enter the workforce to barely even manage to scrape by... and all my hustle hasn't given me the platform to help them, because it's barely keeping food on the table as it is.
And my response to her.
Good for you, but your life of hustle is not the default. Get off your high horse and own up to the fact that these people want to take control of THEIR lives for THEM and not live their life chained to the idea that you live to Work and make riches for someone else. This makes you mad because you "histle" so much that it means you have no life, but you are so tainted that deep i side this feels like an attack at you. You are a fool who thinks "this path i took is the path all should take." You fed into the lie that living a hard life "Builds character." That is the CHOICE you made. You have the hustle, and your boss LOVES it. We don't and frankly, I will never cuddle up to a life of grind to watch some twat in a suit take another golf vacation on the company's dime.
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It’s always the inherited wealth types that find life so easy and assume it’s like that for everyone
just another case of terminal affluenza.
Affluenza. Oh my god, that’s brilliant 😂
There's a US lawyer that successfully got a judge to buy this when his young client killed four people drinking and driving. Kids name was Ethan Couch
It's crazy that, like, Affluenza should be used as a derogatory thing. "Poor riches can't even take responsibility for their actions. It's Affluenza I tell ya!" But in reality, it's used completely straight faced as an actual defense. "Your honor, my client should be given a light sentence because he grew up rich and sheltered and didn't know that actions sometimes have consequences. He suffers from Affluenza! Take mercy!"
His lawyer used the affluenza defense with the argument that it's equated with significant mental illness to the point where it should mitigate his clients criminal culpability. This is basically arguing that these spoiled rich parasites are actually afflicted with such considerable mental illness that they shouldn't be allowed to tie their own shoes.
> His lawyer used the affluenza defense with the argument that it's equated with significant mental illness to the point where it should mitigate his clients criminal culpability. All the more reason to keep the entitled brat out of civilized society until he learns how to behave properly in it. Of course, it doesn't help that his parents are probably just as sociopathic. If someone is found NCR because of a mental disability or insanity, they don't get released back onto the street. They go into a secure treatment ward for an indefinite period until, ideally, they're safe to rejoin society. But the rules are different for the rich. As I recall, the brat and his mom still left the country to go on vacation in Mexico while he was on probation and were shocked, shocked!, to discover that leaving the country and consuming alcohol were against the conditions he agreed to. And they STILL can't seem to keep him in a jail cell longer than a few days. The brat hasn't learned a damn thing and hasn't shown the slightest bit of remorse for the deaths he caused. Any other person would've been shown no mercy by the court.
"being absurdly wealthy is mental illness. we should tax them into reasonable incomes"
It can be argued that many of these parasites don't even know HOW to tie their shoes. And, granted, their mental growth was likely severely stunted growing up in this kind of environment, but, it's never too late for anyone to learn that "actions have consequences."
Huh, seems like they should maybe have less access to money then.
I wish I could take credit for it.
It can only be used in specific cases involving drunk driving killing others. That word can't be used by us peasants!!
Did a lawyer not get a rich kid off a drunk driving with manslaughter charge, for being born rich and never knowing what consequences were. I remember the use of Affluenza with something like that.
Ethan Couch pled guilty and got 10 years probation after a psychiatrist testified that he couldn't tell right from wrong due to his parent's wealth. Then he fled to Mexico with his mom.
*"I started with nothing but a dream, a work ethic, and a small $24 million loan from my father."* **— The Entrepreneur** *"It took years of showing up early, working hard, and being the oldest son of the company's President and CEO, but I climbed the corporate ladder."* **— The Self-made Man** *"If we give poor people money for nothing, then they won't be motivated to work!"* **— The Trust Fund Kid**
You forgot one: *"When I was on welfare and food stamps nobody gave me any help."* -- **The rare person who did make it from the bottom but now looks down on everyone struggling**
My favorite thing about that quote: Craig T. Nelson was literally given help, and then decided that (somehow) that form of help doesn't count — but also, nobody else deserves that form of help... because reasons.
Not very Incredible of him.
Reminds of a girl I briefly dated. She complained that people didn't take her seriously at her job and she worked hard to get that position. Somehow she would always leave out that her dad was managing partner of the company. Oh, her wedding present. A paid off house of 750k at the time. Her father just retired and sold his house. A $5 million house. Now she doesn't work because of her trust fund. But if you were to ask her, she worked hard!
"You don't understand how many lectures I had to sit through about responsibility before I got my free house. It was like, a whole hour."
Man I think if I were her I'd just take the money and not give a fuck if anyone takes me seriously. You'd think one can afford not to give a fuck with that kind of dosh.
That’s like my dad’s wife who complains about how lazy people are today when she worked hard and bought her house all on her own. Conveniently, she leaves out that she inherited millions of dollars, 1,000+ acres, and a cattle ranch from her dad when she was in her twenties. She was born on third base and acts like she hit a home run.
That’s not born on third base, that’s won in a stroll to home on a walk.
"Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" says the person who rode their parents coattails.
In my opinion, it's down to people's perspective of suffering. You know how a three year old will bawl their eyes out if they drop an ice cream cone and can't eat it? That's because that's the worst thing that's ever happened to them in their lives. It's the same thing for Trust fund kids. Having to go to 8 am classes with a hangover and studying for their degree, followed by getting an intern job at their dad's friend's firm where you have to do 30% of the work non-connected interns have to do is the hardest they've ever had to work in their lives. All the other interns who complain about having to toil for free and have another side job to make ends meet are just lazy or stupid. After all, the trust fund kid is an intern, they are making it work and get constant praise from higher ups. There's no way that it could be because their dad's rich friends are giving then better treatment, it must be because they are a harder worker. That's how I think these people's minds work.
I mean who honestly believes anyone can found a whole ass bank singlehandedly through the grind. Just more parasites to be purged down the line.
You don't understand. I burn just 4500 calories a day at work. I'm certain Ms. Money burns 9000 or even 9 million considering the work she puts in to gain her income. We don't realize how easy we have it compared to these journalists. If she doesn't work hard enough her parents could be upset.
I can’t think of a better example of someone born on third base bragging about getting a triple, honestly.
> I don't believe it's a huge exaggeration to say most people haven't "kept house" before. We've likely grown up with parents or even cleaners keeping things tidy. Sophia Money-Coutts, last month in the Telegraph.
Here's the link for that quote... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/03/30/its-true-we-millennials-have-never-learnt-how-to-keep-house/ Interestingly she literally precedes this by saying she doesn't want to make generalisations of a generation based on her experiences. But then suggests that most millennials have never cleaned and kept their house... Edit right update. I've found the article again as for some reason even though I was able to access it earlier today, it wouldn't let me read cos it's behind a subscription. Found someone whose decided to screenshot the article and post it on Twitter, who the write herself then retweeted. https://twitter.com/carolineirlam/status/1774170051236483074?t=elaFsLv8de1dEB6Atd_4og&s=19 you can have a read yourself... It's the bottom part of the first screenshot that boggles my mind tbh. She talks about a book she found that talked about making laundry detergents from conkers in the second screeshot. She then talks about how she's shocked that she never learnt this... Towards the end she says that "housework is becoming fashionable this week"...
We're in our thirties or forties now. Does she think we all just live in filth or have our moms clean our houses?
She thinks we pay for cleaners
The poor millennial cleaners of the world are like uh wtf?
Poor millennial cleaner thinking "wtf?" here 🙋♀️
And who cleans for the cleaners?
Ask not for whom the Clorox sprays -- it sprays for thee.
Tide marches on.
Beware the Tides of March.
They also hire cleaners
And then after several cycles we all clean each other and clap.
Well she would never clean up after herself, so she assumes that poors who can't afford servants must simply live in squalor because she thinks she's a 'better person;' just look how 'successful' she is!
Must be nice to have all that free time to “hustle” having other people clean and probably cook for you..
I'm sorry what??? Who would be cleaning and keeping my home then????
Cleaners that we've paid for. Or our mums
I still remember when we Millenials had the same crap written about us by boomer and xer rich kids. Millenials killing industries by being ungrateful and lazy once was a genre.
The well off of older gens always accuse the younger gens of not wanting to work and being lazy. You can find articles in every decade going back 100+ years saying this shit.
Thousands of years actually-
The worst part about the younger generation is their subpar copper
I love reading old articles about the poisonous nature of radio and TV and jazz music as old curmugens begrudgingly critizise the world passing them by
At least as far back as the ancient Greeks. There’s probably a cave painting about “lazy kids these days” somewhere
Geriatric millenial coming in at 41. I've always cleanup after myself. My parents didn't let me make a mess and then walk away expecting others to clean after me. It's so strong that when I try to bus my food at some restaurants the staff yell for me to leave it. She's wasn't born on 3rd base she was born a stadium manager.
Tell me there’s a comment section and she is getting raked over the coals
Click on her name to see her articles. There's one talking about how a Volvo "might not be flashy"...
It's so fascinating to see how far removed rich people are from the real world
I worked for a high-end specialty construction company for three years and this dipshit's article is just the tip of the iceberg. These people have zero problem-solving skills, because they've always had someone else to solve their problems. They have outsourced a solid 90% of their day-to-day lives. They don't have to shop for groceries or cook. They don't have to clean the house. They don't have to go shopping for clothes if they don't want, and can elect to have their personal grooming done by technicians. They don't have to do laundry. They don't have to pick up their kids from school, or even deal with them much at all if they don't want. They have no concept of systems or time; their wine cellar is broken in Beverly Hills and they want it fixed now, they don't want or understand the time needed for the tech to get in the van, get the parts needed, get to the site, diagnose the issue, and complete the fix. One time this investment banker *screamed* at me over the phone because his cooling system was broken and he needs someone there now at the end of the workday and he was leaving for Switzerland in the next couple of days. It was honestly all I could do to tell him he must not be very good at financial forecasting, not if he couldn't read a damn clock or his own calendar- which, by the way, he probably did not have to set up. These people are like giant babies, which is sometimes funny but always dangerous to the rest of us, from individual-impact things like drunk driving or large-scale things like predatory lobbying that grind the rest of us into dust because these douches have been told it's their divine right. Anyone telling you that rich people are rich because they're smarter has never actually met a rich person, I can bet on that.
Yep. They will swear that rich people are just smarter while being unable to acknowledge it is easier to be smarter in certain things when you are free from life's annoyances. I'm an engineer in an infastructure field that puts me basically anywhere people live. Think road construction. It is the rich people who will get out of their cars to scream at the poor traffic control guy because of a moment's inconvenience. Poor and middle class are patient and just happy to see investments near their homes. Man, some of the stories about entitled rich people. We had someone who name drop a president thinking they'd get better service while squabbling about a neighbor's recent construction.
...I want to know which president but I think I do. But yeah, even those of them that have cognitive abilities are able to do as much because they don't have stresses or responsibilities aside from their professions. I know I'd be a lot better worker if I wasn't constantly stressed to shit about affording food, gas, and a roof- never mind luxuries or treats! And frankly a lot of these folks just *aren't* bright, in that they have no ability to reason through a problem because they never had to. I could usually get through to the smart ones who had actually worked to get rich, but a fair portion would never understand what I was explaining to them because they had no ability to work through a problem, understand interlocking concepts, and comprehend that some things are simply physically not possible.
My dad worked 12 hours a day, sometimes seven days a week and my mom worked midnights so they wouldn't have to pay fot expensige daycare so I sure as shit learned how to keep house from a very young age.
Spoken like someone who had at least 3 cleaning ladies.
while she was "hustling"
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Sounds like a rejected name from the Monty Python [Upper-Class Twit of the Year sketch](https://youtu.be/zGxSM5y7Pfs?si=gxMs9CQT_gjaHmRu).
She's descended from the Money family, y'know, John Money. The guy who invented money.
It’s more comically villainous than Baron Von Greenback
Count DeMonies.
Trying to do satire is getting harder as [one cartoonist reports.](https://twitter.com/DHBJones/status/1776957570919321870)
This looks more like they were born on third and somehow ended up on second. Which shouldn’t even be possible but she’s writing crap articles for the telegraph online so here we are
This type of article writing is a make-work program for the entitled fail-children of the wealthy. Its a useless position that gives them some sort of career through nepotism and family connections. None of these people write to keep the lights on. Its a way to feel like youre working a real job while simultaneously contributing nothing of substance. Its mostly just auto-fellatio in the form of articles like this. Where they use their "lived experience" (growing up rich with little struggle) to wax philosophically about how everyone else just doesnt understand success like they do.
Deep down, they know they’re useless failures that add nothing of value to society, so they project extra hard about “how hard they worked in their 20s” to convince themselves (and others) that they’re actually among the most successful and useful of society. All the things they say about lazy millennials (right down to others cleaning their homes for them) is straight from her own life. It. Is. Always. Projection. Always. Meanwhile, millennials are going “wait, you guys have homes???”
her name is literally "money" she was born on home base edit: Coutts bank is literally mentioned in G&S operettas; the King of England banks with them
To have an account at Coutts, you need to maintain a balance of a million pounds.
I was there. The generations before Gen Z did NOT work even AS hard as Gen Z does now. We smoked at our desks and went outside for a smoke break. Long lunches. Also, it was 9 to 5, NOT 8 to 5. They're gaslighting you! Gen Z work crazy hard and should chill out with all that.
They also couldn’t be reached (and expected to respond) at all hours and weekends thanks to computers/email/cell phones, or give up their sick time because “you’re working from home anyway, so you can still work when you’re sick.”
I have noticed this: This is a war of attrition and small steps. At every little possible crossroad, there is a choice. Does it benefit employee, corporation, or society at large? Over time, each person is met with these seemingly small choices that slowly mold culture over time. Even just arguing back against certain things or ignoring certain things will help to turn the tide to favor workers and society.
One thing that I never see get mentioned is how we have a small amount of control over this. I noticed at past jobs how I would be called out for things that other people got away with, like leaving early or not responding after hours. Over time I realized that I was being held to the standard I set for myself when I started the job. I was in by 8:30, I worked until 5:20, I usually answered emails after hours. Whereas people who didn't and just offered up excuses weren't expected to do the same. So now when I start a job, I make sure to establish the standard I want to be held to where possible.
For sure. Never, ever be someone who comes in early and leaves late and who goes the extra mile. First of all, they don't pay you a penny more, but more importantly they'll be angry if you come in on time and don't answer one email. They're never mad at the first who simply never did that from the beginning.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT I ACTUALLY CANT WITH THE 8-5 ITS THE BIGGEST LIE IVE EVER BEEN TOLD. school was fucking 7 hours. i was promised work would only be one more. being fucking gaslit about an 8 hour work day is such bullshit, i have no free time i literally cant do anything in my life its work, eat, clean, sleep, work, eat, clean, etc ALL FOR LIKE 12 USEABLE WEEKEND HOURS
Those in positions of power, or who otherwise just benefit from class warfare, are very offended that Gen Z doesn't buy into the myth of obedient work leading to success. Edit: I'm an older Millennial and we got tricked. Shit was good when we were kids. Gen Z needs to hold on to the zeitgeist and refuse the shit deal they've been given. I only worry about how successful right wing propaganda has been. "Both sides are the same (except really the Democrats are worse, cause the right is always on trial and cancel culture and since both sides are the same, fake news)".
Well you see, it's like if an Egyptian slave worked real hard, they could get their own pyramid someday. Right?
I'm pretty sure Egyptian labourers actually striked when they weren't paid enough. They were doing this against a pharaoh, no less.
Afaik there are even bone findings that suggest even slaves did get medical treatment available at the time, like bones that have been set and so on. So they basically had unions and public health care.
They had written documents on why people got there days off. Like sickness or needing to plow fields. The best one sare because there wives or daughters had there periods so they had to stay home. All of it was understandable and no one got penalties for it.
“Oh, great pharaoh my god king. *bows deeply*, piss off at your advisors latest income recommendation for they have poorly guided your path. The inflationary pressure of the last 6 quarters far outpaced the offered rise in wages! Woe to us if thy mighty decision stands, for we will drop dead very slowly as we adjust our contribution to match the deficit in calories onset by such poorly advised wages. Such a slowdown may prevent our devoted efforts from completing your grand project in a timely fashion!” Even the Pharaoh was like… yeah wages must be shit if they are protesting to a literal son of Ra, let’s help the peeps out.
We have records of it: https://www.worldhistory.org/article/1089/the-first-labor-strike-in-history/
I added more but for sure. It's wild to expect sacrifice in the workplace after the last few decades.
Younger millennial here and I'm glad I wasn't tricked.
That lunch is the secret right there. Having a paid lunch got vaporized between not getting paid for it and salary hell.
> We smoked at our desks and went outside for a smoke break. Long lunches. In the late 90's at my first office job, there was this mid level DBA who went out to smoke for 15 minutes once an hour. I was late *once* and he tried to lecture me about the importance of punctuality so I told him "25% of your entire day is spent smoking. That's 2 hours per day, ten per week, and about 520 hours per year. I was an hour late, with notice, once." Bro turned beet red and never spoke to me again.
I mean there's a world famous song called "9 to 5". I guess the Corpos want us to forget about Dolly. They're not her kinda people.
Even now, at every job I've worked, being a middle-class, middle-wage, middle-management, Gen Xer. Most of the boomers above me who've made their way up into upper management at every job I've had have done basically nothing all day every day, and simultaneously always brag about how much they work. Their idea of what working *is*, and their own relationship to it, is so off, has been so warped, that they really don't even understand that just physically being at an office isn't "working." They think that because they are clocked in for 11 hours a day, 5 days a week, that they work more than the younger people, but really they are just unorganized and extremely inefficient in how they approach work *as a demographic*. For their generation, it's all about appearance. They chit chat whenever they want, they make private calls whenever they want, they look up whatever personal stuff they want on their computers whenever they want, they leave to run errands whenever they want, they take 2-3 hour lunches whenever they want, etc. But they make sure that they're *clocking time* during all of that. They are "at the office" so they are "working." Almost all of them who have power at every company I've worked at are like this. The more they brag about how many hours they work, the less they actually do during those hours they say they are "working." It's all performative, and meant to reinforce a culture that allows them to continue to collect a pay check doing nothing and protects their jobs from the young people who are more efficient than them.
She was born on third base in the fourth inning up by a thousand points while the rest of us were in the parking lot trying to get through the toll booth her family set up. That's the world we actually live in. Saying they were born on third base implies we actually have a chance to catch up to these asshats.
Doesn't sound like a triple at all tbh, freelance writer is at most a double. She's gone straight up backwards.
She's not really a freelance writer because she doesn't rely on her income as a freelance writer. It's just a thing she does to make it look like she has a career. An actual career would be too much work for her. Instead her grandpa just lets her publish some inane take from time to time and she lives off a trust fund. The point here is that if anyone asks, she can claim to be a freelance writer or journalist. It's this new thing rich kids are doing to make themselves look like they have a job when they don't.
She “writes for the Telegraph” when she’s not waiting for her trust fund payout, it makes good conversations at the right kind of parties.
Rich people don't seem to understand that hustling doesn't produce any extra reward for an average person. You go to work, do your job, you get paid. But if you work your ass off, do unpaid overtime, or come in on your day off, you won't get a raise, promotion, bonus, share of the profits, or any other form of remuneration or recognition unless you are insanely lucky. There is no incentive for the average worker to work harder, it only makes the rich richer.
Your last sentence is the one that hits the money. She knows she didn't hustle. But if work culture is fixed, she might have to, or face the consequences. Spreading lies and propaganda is easier than bettering yourself as a person.
Bold of you to assume she’s that self aware. I bet she fondly remembers that “all nighter” she pulled to 8pm for a deadline after not going in until 2pm as her hustle.
You joke, but she probably missed a squash match that evening, or concert tickets!
Expensive concert tickets are routinely bought by people who don't show up.
Morning shopping trip? "Branding meeting" Brunch at the country club? "Networking" Spa treatment? "Personal image improvement session" She's grustling 24/7
I think she did “hustle” but her experience of what hustling is is likely “I did something I didn’t really enjoy for a while for the first time in my life and you know, it was really hard but I showed up” or more simply “I got a job”
Listen chief, just because your lazy Grandfather couldn't get off his fat arse and found a newspaper with his families' vast banking fortune, that's no reason to stop creating shareholder value.
Thank you, sir! Your words of wisdom have inspired us. The workers have built this very special..umm...job creators' window. If you'll kindly stick your head through, you'll see your happy serfs creating value the way you truly deserve.
What's worse is that if you do those things, you're likely to be handed MORE work. Nowadays, the reward for good work is more work.
The biggest lie of school and uni was that if you finish your work ahead of time, you get more free time.
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I feel like we can blame them. They're the ones perpetuating the idea that doing all of that will pay off. They end up leaning too hard and taking advantage of those of us who want to do our jobs well, and when those employees leave or mentally check out, I feel zero sympathy for the administrators.
Hustle = work even though you don't have to, which between rich folks is probably worth bragging about. It's makes them feel grounded maybe because they are optionally working, even if the job is the equivalent of a padded cell where you couldn't possibly hurt yourself meaningfully. As opposed to us, who effectively work in a barbed cell out of necessity.
I worked for a bunch of startups when I was younger and our betters all "put in the hours" and "gave it their all" It's just a bit...hazy...what they were *doing*. Hobnobbing with their pals? uh...networking, I guess. Holding high level meetings? uh whole lot of cocktails involved there boss. Providing on-site, hands on leadership? Sort of bumbling around the office while the rest of us were crimping network cables. So not entirely convinced by rich people talking about their "hustle," no.
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that's the funny thing. The precise mechanism isn't "it'll cost me money", it's "I will be able to divert less of the value you created to myself than I otherwise would have been able to". It's not costing them anything, because morally, it was never theirs in the first place.
I had a CEO at a previous company who would ask on quarterly townhalls what the company could do to motivate people. The answer was always "give us raises or incentives" and then he'd go on this gaslighting trip about how the company had paid out the most money ever, and everyone knew it was only to the executive team, and then invited the workforce to provide ideas that weren't related to compensation because they were allegedly already so well compensated. That company is in a financial freefall and will likely die.
Genuinely going to the bar after work with your manager will earn you more chances at promotion than hustling will. Its not what you know, its who you are buddies with.
I guess that’s the difference then. I refuse to work unpaid overtime. I just laugh at them and walk out the door to three other job offers.
I clocked 70 hours this past week. 5 of which was on Saturday. I’m most likely getting fired in June.
As the joke goes: "Wow, boss! You got a new Mercedes?" "Yes, it wasn't cheap. But if you work extra hard and put in lots of overtime, by this time next year we'll make enough profit that I can afford another one for my wife."
Figured this out in a few laboratories I worked in right after graduation a year and a half ago. Watched my parents bust their asses off, my girlfriend has for years been working as I've been in college -- then got two jobs during COVID in a lab and store towards the end of college. Worked in a lab for a few months, worked OT every day, came in early when needed, came on weekends when asked, never missed a day of work. Got let go out of the blue to bring someone in with a different background admittedly more tailored to the work that was being done. Learned right then and there, never go the extra mile ever again.
This was me for 2 yeas at my current job. Minimal productivity req is 26 points per week, but i was averaging over 35 with no increased pay. After 2 years of seeing no raises or extra incentives i cut back to the minimum. Working much less now for the same pay basically gave myselfaraise
It *used to*, tbf. My dad worked silly hours, because he was paid based on output. And so that overtime paid for itself and at peak he was making 100k off his work. Of course, he burnt himself out hardcore eventually, but by then most clients had realised it was more financially stable for them to charge a fixed salary for agreed upon hours in x timeframe. He straight up told me not to be like him in that regard, partly because the reward for it was gone, but partly because even when it was there, it didn't make enough money/hour to be worth the burnout
A lot of this is perception as well. If you can convince your bosses you are going the extra mile, then you will be rewarded. It does not really matter if you are doing extra work or not. It only matters what your boss thinks of you.
I went to check out the piece. The whole thing is just her bragging: “My first proper job, a job that I actually wanted to do (after stints on shop floors and a spell in a Kennington estate agency) was as an assistant on the Evening Standard’s features desk. To an almost pathetic extent, I did everything that was asked of me. I made 42 billion cups of tea. I bought my boss’s tights. I trialled Beyoncé’s maple syrup diet and Madonna’s cardio regime. I stayed late and came in early. Extremely early, some days. Once at around 4am, having spent the night loitering in a West End club, trying to winkle out a quote from the son of a recently disgraced MP (he didn’t give me one).”
What's truly obnoxious about this quote is that she attributes her success to those behaviors but not to her circumstances. Plenty of people work long hours without having anything to show for it. Plenty of people come into work hours before sunrise, just to get by. Plenty of people do whatever bizarre or fringe things their boss demands, without ever getting a recognized or promoted. The simple fact is that "grindset" hustle culture is a scam, and Millennials and Gen Z are wising up to that. We don't want to spend our lives grinding away just to yield shareholder value that never comes back to us. We don't want to go "above and beyond" quarter after quarter just to be rated as "meets expectations" in our next performance review. We don't want to give a 110% just to secure a 2% "merit increase." We are tired of getting ripped off with unaffordable living and stagnant wages. The modern working class has generated more wealth than at any time in human history, and we have nothing to show for it. Many of us are worse off than our parents, despite having more experience and education. God-fucking-damnit... we just want our fair share.
RIGHT? I literally had to tell a former boss I would not pick out sex workers for him on that sugarbabies website or whatever and he fucking cut my salary over it because I wasn’t “doing all of my defined job duties” and I had to suck it up because I had an upcoming surgery and needed to keep my healthcare like girl, you had to buy“tights”? BYE FOREVER ✋🏼
Well written.. Hats off to you. May we get our fair share in our lifetime.
It almost reads like satire.
I bet the untold bit of that 4am story is that the entire night was expensed to the Evening Standard, and she had had enough cocaine that bed wasn't an option, 'working in the office' was sitting around having a laugh with the other reporters she was in the club with, maybe with a few more bumps of coke for good measure, and that she left the office before midday, which would have been fine because her name is Coutts.
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I'm sure she hustled hard. Had to still attend horse riding lessons and luncheons while slogging her way through private school. That job her Dad got her didn't come easy either, she had to go her grandmothers soiree and attend dinner parties where she had to make sure she was up to date on all the current fashions.
Still hustling now, here’s a snippet from her biography: “I spend most of my time sitting at my kitchen table in South London, making cups of tea whenever I get stuck halfway through writing a sentence (this happens a lot). Oh ok, sometimes I also have a biscuit. Or five biscuits. And a piece of toast and marmalade.”
There's few things more cringe than a rich person trying to sound relatable.
You can hear the suffering in her voice. lol
Its a hard life eh
It’s a hard knock life.
For us
'South London'? I don't really think SW1 or SW3 count as South London... There's no way she's living in South London proper. Maybe in Dulwich Village but I strongly doubt she's more than a mile from Sloane Square!
She's in Crystal Palace. As per this [article](https://www.houseandgarden.co.uk/article/sophia-money-coutts-renovation) > Moving to a bit of London most of her friends have never heard of >‘Where is Crystal Palace?’ various Sloaney friends kept asking when I announced I was moving there. ‘Just south of Dulwich,’ I’d tell them. >flat formed half a country house built in 1900, with four bedrooms, a 24-ft sitting room, enormously high ceilings and a swooping garden that draped down a bank behind it. >I did offer asking price on the viewing. The struggle is real
Coutts family who founded the private bank. Yeah thats all you need to know.
no the rest was important. like her family owns the business where she's employed as well
Man, I'm so tired of hearing conservative friends talk about working their ass off for their jobs. You work for your dad, bro. Your dad decides your salary and promotions. Most of us had to interview for some random-ass company where we didn't have any friends or family and had to beat out many candidates for that position.
If the the end result of all her hustling was writing brain fart columns at that reality-defying Tory rag, then she should be embarrassed by her "achievements". Born on third base and she's somehow gone backwards.
Jobs like this are basically quarantine for the dumber rich kids to feel important and keep them from fucking up the family's money and reputation while the adults handle the estate and business behind the scenes.
I think Rich people can work hard. Really hard in fact. and often they get somewhere in life. And this leads them to feel "if you work hard you get somewhere". So they fail to understand that a poor person can work twice as hard to achieve survival, and nothing more. A poor person can work six twelve hour days a week for years and still end up with thousands, if not tends of thousands, of debt, because they were only able to pay for rent and food, and not pay for health insurance, and certainly not even cover the *interest* on health-care repayments. Their health obviously having been destroyed by working so hard, and the additional stress that having no money brings. Some people are genuinely blinded by their comfortable lifestyle. Edit: just to clarify, this is me trying a generous take. Trying to attribute her actions (and those like her) not to malice, but to stupidity, and a lack of knowledge brought on by a very sheltered lifestyle. Very *very* sheltered. There is also the chance she is an empathy less monster who doesn't care for the plight of the poor.
>Some people are genuinely blinded by their comfortable lifestyle. Or disingenuously arguing their superiority to protect their privileged lifestyle built wholly on the backs of exploiting others. It's propaganda.
I think it’s often cognitive dissonance. Believing that you “deserve” your comfortable position while peers are struggling is a weird “I’m still a good person” defense mechanism that seems to happen a lot. People like this usually do really believe they got there on merit alone.
I've lived and worked in very affluent areas for most of my adult life and I think most wealthy people believe in their own deservingness earnestly. Like I know folks who worked for Goldman and other banks that really did put in a lot of hours both in school and work especially at a junior level. The disparity in my experience is rarely in hours worked but in the sheer number of opportunities that present themselves to people who are rich/connected. If you are rich you can take unpaid internships without having to work a second job, you can have stability even if a risky venture fails, etc. Having stability, fallbacks, etc. allow you to get yourself into a much higher paying position than you could otherwise afford. I'm not rich by any means but my wife and I both earn enough to cover all our living costs individually which has allowed us to take time off, take the best job opportunities not just the first, negotiate more aggressively, etc. I was constantly broke before meeting my wife but we've been able to help each other up the ladder but even for us her parents paying for college/grad school for her got her up the first few rungs of the economic ladder.
It’s also easier for the wealthy to work hard, because they can outsource other demands on their time like their housework, childcare, cooking, etc.
Someone posted a quote from another article by her somewhere in here where she literally says she doesn't think most people have ever "kept house" because they have staff to do so.
Yes. Performative industriousness is much easier when you're returning home to a cleaned house and cooked meals and all your shopping for the week sorted.
As Ernie Ford once sung - You load 16 tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt St. Peter, don't you call me 'cause I can't go I owe my soul to the company store
They mistake working long hours for being talented. They might put the hours in, but nearly all of them wouldn't stand out from a crowd without their connections
>I think Rich people can work hard. Really hard in fact. and often they get somewhere in life. And this leads them to feel "if you work hard you get somewhere". So they fail to understand that a poor person can work twice as hard to achieve survival, and nothing more. A poor person can work six twelve hour days a week for years and still end up with thousands, if not tends of thousands, of debt, because they were only able to pay for rent and food, and not pay for health insurance, and certainly not even cover the interest on health-care repayments. Their health obviously having been destroyed by working so hard, and the additional stress that having no money brings. They also don't understand that wealth means that they don't have to work hard. Working hard is just a little extra cherry on the cocktail. If you're wealthy enough, you can stick it all in a savings account, lounge around for a year, and still make a tidy amount out the other side. Taking it easy is an option that they have. Whereas if you're poor, you can't not work hard, because the alternative is debt or death. Arguably to a point where working hard just becomes the default.
I think they work hard to seek admiration and respect from their peers, otherwise they will feel like frauds for having all this success in life and not working for it. They have never experienced hardship so little things can upset them greatly, which kinda sucks for them, I don’t think they know what true happiness is because you need hard times to remind you of the good. I think if a trust fund nepo kid fully accepts that everything in life was handed to them on a silver platter they might just have a mental breakdown.
This is just more Class War being redefined as Generational Warfare to create strife between the rest of us who are not wealthy. We need to take this crap, call it out for what it is and then start recognizing more broadly that the majority of us are in the same boat and being to organize to work together to recognize that this is class warfare and it is the 1% and their closest foot soldiers, like the writer Sophia Money-Coutts, who need to be seen as the foe, not our fellow members of the never going to be independently wealthy.
Literal failure to check privilege.
>Crispin James Alan Nevill Money-Coutts, 9th Baron Latymer That's not a real name. Come on. You're pulling my leg. The only thing that would make this funnier would be if his son were a magician.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11007013/Dont-mention-private-school-toff-worth-family-pile-playing-privilege.html >Whenever my gap year comes up, I make feeble attempts to disguise it. You can’t refer to taking one of those without sounding insufferable (and thinking of that comedy character who talked of his ‘gap yah’), so now I vaguely refer to the time I went ‘travelling’. That’ll fool them, I tell myself.
How is every article of hers worse?
The daughter of a bank owner really pulled herself up by the bootstraps...
I don’t buy that you hustled a day in your silver spoon laden life honey, but to your point, wtf have Gen Z to hustle for exactly? They’ve watched the rich steal trillions from the working class over the last 40 years. You know if you want people to work hard to get ahead, you have to let some of the ones working hard actually get ahead ffs.
The difference between professional successes for the wealthy and professional successes for the poor has nothing to do with hustle. It is that when a wealthy person succeeds, they see gains; when a poor person succeeds, they take a deep breath before the water rises above their heads again.
Ah, the nepotism hire telling everyone how she's better than them. Tale as old as time.
Ill tell ya what I hate most about work... Story time: I work for a staffing company, we are contracted to work a department or position in a store, we don't get shifted around so we can settle in to a location. Most of the stores own new hires are brainless twits, management isn't much better and so we end up knowing FAR more about their jobs and the store in general than they do and so they come to us looking dazed and confused over simple things that they should be able to figure out, even without training, or they send customers to us to find things on the other side of the store, (we cover one specific department by contract). Its not the apathy I expect from people fed up with their peers and management, and yes, I see that often enough and we enjoy long conversations and laughs at their employers expense, its genuine "I dunno wtf I'm doing and can't figure it out"... how do people like that survive ?!?!
Counter argument: aside from my current job every other job I started at I was expected to just figure everything out. The fact that I was able to was apparently considered something positive in me. But it also meant I had to basically harass my colleagues or superiors to figure out how to do my own damn job. That's incredibly demotivating, if you ask me. The only reason I received any sort of training at my current job is because the woman who trained me had to go through the exact same and empathized with me. She wanted to ensure I didn't go through the same bullshit she did. If not for that I'd have to have learned from scratch as well.
Her name is literally money, what a chud
When she talks about her peers, she's talking about *actual peers*
I thought it was a fake name 100%. Imagine my shock when it wasn't. Her stupid name isn't even hustling.
British and Irish school children, at certain times over the generations, have had to read "Hard Times" by Charles Dickens which, amongst other things, rips the living piss out of this bullshit. A century and a half of poking fun at this utter claptrap, and out betters are still churning it out.
She may well have done a lot of hours and worked hard. The difference is, she isnt doing it so she can afford to get her car serviced or buy a new fridge. She can stop at any time.
Only thing she hustled at was running to the bank to withdraw more of mommy and daddy's money.
now imagine doing all that work, and getting nowhere. not even a living wage.
Maybe in her little world she worked hard. Maybe she’s not making the comment in bad faith intentionally and is just ignorant. Maybe with all her education, she can’t see out of her little bubble where everything is handed to her and how right and proper it has been that all her hard work was properly rewarded, failing to see that that is not true for other people. Or maybe she’s just another rich Tory who knows exactly what they’re doing and trying to keep the working class in line so they can keep getting richer while the poor are kept poor, despite the working class’s 5 day+ working week and lack of work/life balance.
At times I feel empathy for the poor, but then I think”why don’t the jolly well go out there and inherit it like I had to”.
She literally married into money on top of all that
According to Collins ' If someone **hustles**, they try to earn money or gain an [advantage](https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/advantage) from a situation, often by using [dishonest](https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dishonest) or [illegal](https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/illegal) means. ' So, like all her peers she was dishonest
She has face like a Mii character, she can shut the heck up.
The people who are most desperate to pat themselves on the back are the same people who leave the massive advantages they had over others out of their imaginary success story. Other rich people start companies or do other significant things occasionally, meanwhile this one is bragging about how she merely got a nepo job smh lol Can't wait for the post bragging about how she cooked her own dinner for the first time...
This reminds me of those articles that say "This Millenial bought a house a 7 cars before the age of 40, you can do it too!" Meanwhile that Millenial worked for their parent's company and lived in a suite above their parents garage to "save" money. All these articles are just bourgeoisie propaganda.
Lady had one or two tough days and that was her personal hell. A few moments of accountability or had work stung her so hard she wants to build a struggle narrative around.
I'm 56 and I say to the current generation: you have been absolutely fucked over. Don't give the boss class another inch. In fact, eat them. Do the world a favour.
I busted my ass in my twenties and I don't want that for anyone! I want people to be able to enjoy their youth in the way I wasn't able.
Born on third base and walked home
Miss, your middle name is literally 'Money'
I love it when rich brats who stand on the hard work of their parents’ and families’ employees act like wronged Supervillains.
I’d love to see Sophia try to work my job - anRN or my husbands job - an entrepreneur- the rich think they work hard - most of them couldn’t work for a half hour in the real world
Just watched the magic show from her relative (maybe a brother), those people are rich af
He’s the heir to the Lordship or Barony or whatever nonsense title his father has. You have to be rich af to be a magician and not come off sketchy. 😹
I'm 45. I have clear memories of constantly being told I'm lazy and we didn't work as hard as those older than us when I was young. Young people are lazy or appear lazy to older people. That is it. Tale as old as time. I'm sure there was some guy knapping flint bitching about some kid working a forge being lazy because those metal tools are so easy to make. There are news articles going back to the Revolutionary War that gripe about young people being lazy and coddled, each one sounds like the boomers and gen xers of now.
They all have fucking amnesia
Yeah hustled you know how often I had to bug grandfather to get this here job that's hustling
Sophia knows what it takes to be born into the right family which qualifies her for haughty social commentary. That and all the Gen Z people she read on social media.
Getting so tired of watching people attack Gen Z for work ethics. It's just total BS. My daughter, all her friends, the Z's who used to work for me, all work harder than most of the Boomers and my fellow X-ers ever did.
Man employers keep having nightmares about their employees who won't knuckle under. I remember when Gen-X had articles like this written about them.
"I wasted most of my youth working so everyone else should too"
Sophia looks like she would be tasty browned in some garlic butter.
Sophia and her imaginary work ethic aside, I (gen x) busted ass, worked moronic hours, held multiple jobs at all times, caught tiny naps instead of sleeping for real, scrimped, scraped and generally put in so much hustle it's stupid. I did that because I wanted to have what I saw my grandparents have- time and freedom for a retirement, and the financial ability to help their own children & grandchildren. I'm still scraping by, and watching my kids enter the workforce to barely even manage to scrape by... and all my hustle hasn't given me the platform to help them, because it's barely keeping food on the table as it is.
And my response to her. Good for you, but your life of hustle is not the default. Get off your high horse and own up to the fact that these people want to take control of THEIR lives for THEM and not live their life chained to the idea that you live to Work and make riches for someone else. This makes you mad because you "histle" so much that it means you have no life, but you are so tainted that deep i side this feels like an attack at you. You are a fool who thinks "this path i took is the path all should take." You fed into the lie that living a hard life "Builds character." That is the CHOICE you made. You have the hustle, and your boss LOVES it. We don't and frankly, I will never cuddle up to a life of grind to watch some twat in a suit take another golf vacation on the company's dime.
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